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With Nothing Left To Sell, RadioShack Is Selling Itself To People (theverge.com)

RadioShack, an almost 100-year-old American chain of wireless and electronics stores, had a hell of ride at retail. The cradle of building your own electronics at home, and an early participant in the PC revolution, is finally facing the end after a long, slow death at the hands of consumer disinterest, a dysfunctional marriage with Sprint. From a report: Tons of electronics stores have shuttered over the past decade, but few are as tragic as RadioShack, which filed for bankruptcy in 2015, appeared to be rescued by Sprint in agreement to co-share the stores, then got kicked to the curb and had to file for a second bankruptcy this past March. The new agreement means hundreds of RadioShack shops will officially close down and be replaced by Sprint stores, fizzling out dreams of the Maker movement. So while this is an end to another chapter of our American electronics retail culture, we do have to wonder: how are the folks at RadioShack doing? They have been selling the leftover stocks of electronics for a while, with only mostly store fixtures, ladders, and carpet tiles seemingly left on offer. This is what RadioShack posted earlier this month. The company has since been tweeting about the leftover stuff it has up on sale, though.

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  1. Digikey kicks their butt by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, I think surface mount kicked their butt. I spent a lot of money at Radio Shack in my youth.

    1. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by avandesande · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Moreso the internet... online you can buy just about anything you need for electronics and much cheaper.

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    2. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, what got me to stop going to Radio Shack was this:

      Me: "I'm here to buy a capacitor"

      Radio Shack: "We don't carry electronic components anymore. Can I interest you in an overpriced cellphone instead?"

      Me:"Uh, no...do you at least have 9-volt batteries?"

      Radio Shack: "Sure. That'll be $10.99. I'll need you address, phone number, and the names of all your children before I can ring you up though."

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    3. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Holy shit - this can't possibly be upvoted enough. This right here is the ACTUAL answer as to why they failed.

    4. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, this so much ^

      I remember getting my first electronic project kit from Radio Shack as a kid for Christmas. It was followed by their CB Base-station, Battery club card and more electronic grab-bags than I can remember.

      Some of my first experiences programming was on a Coco3 (running os9 btw)

      Fry's Electronics recognized the market place and took over from Tandy in a BIG way.

      If anybody really believes that there is no market for the 'old' Radio Shack, then they should step into a Fry's Electronics and see where all the customers have gone.

    5. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, that's pretty much what did them in of me too. I spent a lot of time an money at Radio Shack in the 70's and into the late 80's. But once they started selling cell phones, it was over for me pretty quick. I actually had a very similar conversation sometime in the very early 90's, except I was looking for a resister. The sad part was that they actually carried all of those components still, they just had them stuffed into drawers. But no one seemed to know about anything other than phones. Nor were they interested in anything else either.

    6. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, and the recent employees thought that "bad boys rape our young girls but Violet goes willingly" was a rap song

    7. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the nineties it was the outgrowth of Fry's Electronics.

      Radio Shack had been a division of the Tandy Corporation. Tandy had several major divisions, of which Radio Shack was merely one. Tandy made missteps, opening "The Incredible Universe" with a fair amount of fanfare and expense as a competitor to the ever-growing Fry's Electronics, only to screw it up. To add insult to injury, Fry's took over many of the locations and ran them profitably without even doing a real remodel on them for a decade, not even repainting the delivery trucks other than sticking a Fry's logo on the doors.

      Then they opened Tech America, as a new retail store to get rid of the excess fanfare that apparently didn't work for the Incredible Universe stores, but at least the one here was opened in the same strip mall as an existing Radio Shack, and on top of that they didn't do a good job of advertising what services the store offered. It was not even centrally located so geeks on the north or west sides of town had to drive 20-30 miles to get supplies. May as well mailorder them if that's the case, and then suddenly Tech America is competing with cheaper mailorder.

      Then they renamed Tandy Corporation to the Radio Shack Corporation and brought the cell phones in, when everyone was selling cell phones, and they renamed the Tech America stores to Radio Shack . com, only to close them a couple of years later.

      Radio Shack should have been the convenience-store of electronics. It should have had later hours, opening say noon and closing at 9pm, such that geeks that were working on their hobby projects could have somewhere to go to get those capacitors or relays that they needed when they either ran-short or were in a pinch to complete it. Radio Shack could have arguably charged ten times what the components were worth if they were readily available and purchasable in small quantities, people in a hurry are willing to pay the extra markup to have it now.

      Instead they tried to be Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA, and the cell phone store all at the same time, when in reality they should have been more like Fry's Electronics without so much of the TVs and DVDs and major appliances. They also should have pared-back on the number of stores and looked over their geography to pick locations that were convenient for residents of the cities they wanted to operate in.

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    8. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nah, not really. Surface-mount would have been minor - if the management had half a working neuron to share between them, they could have sold those components, as well as finer-tipped soldering irons, a cheap-but-big lighted magnifying glass, and other bits needed for basic surface-mount repair. If they were really sharp, they could have procured and sold decent not-quite-lab-grade-yet-still-quite-usable higher-end gear to go with it (e.g. Oscilloscopes, etc).

      They could have also launched a usable website to sell components back in the 1990s, and if they were first, they could have kicked butt against the likes of Mouser.

      Shit - if they hadn't screwed up with the Tandy Computer line, they could have went in that direction harder, and could have grown into a halfway decent PC OEM by now (or at least do what NewEgg is doing now, but would have been bigger by dint of being among the first to do it...)

      Radio Shack's problems, as one sibling hinted at, boils down to this: They had a management that was both disorganized and dysfunctional as hell. They were completely blind to changes outside of their domain, never looked beyond the tip of their nose, and only reacted to changes when shit threatened to get real on their bottom line... then they reacted in the totally wrong manner to each of these crises - and did so consistently.

      (Seriously - anyone applying for a management position that has "Radio Shack" and "Executive" in the same job description on their resume should be summarily ignored...)

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    9. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      So true. For me, Radio Shack was the only store for a hundred miles with any remote amount ot geekiness to it. Maybe the internet hurt them, but I don't like shopping online and would rather support local business - if any local business remains alive to support...

    10. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! Thank the politically incorrect U.S. Navy for that one. That's how I learned the color code.

    11. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have a winner. This pretty much exactly happened to me, I walked out on them when they wanted all my personal information to buy something overpriced...I decided I could wait and get it for 1/3 the cost online since I already had to get everything else I needed online.

    12. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 2

      Once I realized that was a reference to the resistor color code, I had to laugh.

      Sadly you got down modded, probably by a clueless millennial.

    13. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fry's worked because it was in Silicon Valley, back when there was still silicon in the valley and not just web advertising companies. There was a whole region full of people who wanted this stuff a couple decades before "Maker" was coined. They wanted to build a computer, they knew how to solder, they wanted DIY kits for their kids, or get a phone cable crimper.

      This was also in the boom of technology I think too, before the monoculture of the dumbed down PC and passive consumers. Remember the pilgrimage from Fry's to HT Electronics to the Computer Literacy Bookshop.

    14. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RS: How can I help you?
      Me: I just need a pack of CDRW
      RS: Oh, you don't want to buy those
      Me: Why not?
      RS: See here it says 4X
      Me: yes
      RS: That means you can only use them four times
      Me: Uh, Ok thanks??? Bye

    15. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Radio Shack could have arguably charged ten times what the components were worth if they were readily available and purchasable in small quantities, people in a hurry are willing to pay the extra markup to have it now.

      If RadioShack only charged ten times what components were worth they might still be in business.
      Buying a three pack of resistors for $1.99 back in the late '80s was usurious.

    16. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Nchantim · · Score: 1

      Radio Shack should have been the convenience-store of electronics

      But, as has been mentioned, they wouldn't even ring up a sale without full address and phone number.
      Reminds me of the Far Side "inconvenience stores"

    17. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My electronics teacher in high school taught it to a bunch of 13-16 year olds.
      As far as I knew there was never a complaint and he retired without incident

      The purpose of electronics class was to create a pool of capable workers for the Motorolas and Honeywells that employed tens of thousands of residents back in the day, they all would have been destroyed by the ex-military guys that ran those factories if they did NOT know what that meant

    18. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by TWX · · Score: 1

      You never had to provide that information. "I don't wish to tell you that," would result in them ringing it up without trying to sign you up for the Battery Club.

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    19. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by neilo_1701D · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and the recent employees thought that "bad boys rape our young girls but Violet goes willingly" was a rap song

      I was taught "Bishop Brown raped our ..." so we knew where brown and black lay in the scheme of things. But that was 30 years ago....

    20. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by TWX · · Score: 1

      Is it?

      I don't think that it is, simply because of the costs to speculatively stock inventory that probably won't sell quickly, in a retail setting.

      The whole point is that if you don't want to pay a lot of money, you mailorder and wait. After all, this niche is not large enough to justify having too many local sellers of these kinds of parts. If you look at communities with a Frys Electronics, you usually only have one , maybe two, in a fairly large city.

      If you want it now and in small numbers, you pay for the privilege of someone having it available on-demand for you. Sure, those three transistors might cost as much as catalog-purchasing a lot of 100, but what are you going to do with the other 97, and what are you going to do in the days or weeks to receive your shipment?

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    21. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by nomadic · · Score: 1

      You know Fry's doesn't exist through much of the United States, right? I mean, a lot of your analysis I kind of agree with but I do think you're overthinking it. Radio Shack was killed by the fact that you could get most of what they sold much cheaper, even at other stores.

    22. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Charging huge markups was actually their business strategy in the later years. It was not really catering to convenience as it was preying on the desperate. Like many others, I got taken in once and never went back. Needed an AC adapter one evening for a family member and Radio Shack was down the street. Rather than the $5 single voltage adapter or $15 universal adapter with 10 tips from years past, all they had was a $25.00 adapter that required a separate $9 tip. Grudgingly paid for it and never want back.

      What a shame because my father was a "maker" before it was cool to be a maker. From building electronics projects to mega battery packs for my RC cars, Radio Shack was the place to go.

    23. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      You could just say 'no', I always told them I wasn't willing to give out that info, but then again I didn't buy much there because I had no use for shitty stereo systems and alarm clocks

    24. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      This. I heard all sorts of wonderful tales about Radio Shack when I was a kid. First time I went to the Bay Area almost two decades ago I was delighted that I found a store and went inside. Only to find a place with gaudy dressed employees trying to pawn Monstercables and similar shit on people. With no way to buy any computer or electric parts to speak of whatsoever.

      Whatever it was that made them great it was long dead. I'm surprised it didn't close sooner.

    25. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      I had this EXACT experience. Wanted to purchase a battery, was asked for a bunch of personal information. I'm accustomed to politely declining when asked to provide such information in a store. I don't recall whether Radio Shack sold me the battery or not.

    26. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If anybody really believes that there is no market for the 'old' Radio Shack, then they should step into a Fry's Electronics and see where all the
      customers have gone.

      The nearest Fry's is a 10 hour drive (each way) to Atlanta. Radio Shack was the only game in town. With it gone it means just waiting for DigiKey or Online Components.

    27. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know Fry's doesn't exist through much of the United States, right?

      I'm 42 years old and have seen a Fry's exactly once in my lifetime. There are none in my entire state (Florida).

    28. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      The Radio Shack near me survived all the previous shrinkages. It will be sad to see it go. I liked the manager, even asked him for a job during the holidays. He said sure...... So, I went to the website, first thing they wanted was Social Security Number, could not enter career section without it. I was willing to give them my name and an email, but I couldn't see the jobs or create an account. This was a few years ago, when most websites let you wait until you found a job description you liked enough to apply before entering the SSN. I couldn't even sent a message.

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    29. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think surface mount kicked their butt.

      How so? I mean other than the fact that they refused to stock any such components.

      There are plenty of other electronics stores that are doing well which have transitioned to online and also gotten with the times and not only stocked surface mount gear but also provided PCB manufacturing services, adaptors for the parts and basically anything else you could need for the brave new smaller formfactor tinkerers now needed to use.

      They just lost touch. I wanted to buy components not mobile phones. So I took my business elsewhere. Hell if companies like Adafruit, and Sparkfun have shown anything it's that the tinkering hobby is stronger than ever. My local electronic parts shop stock a lot of this brand name stuff right along side all other hobby things like 3D printers, parts for DIY drones, etc. Meanwhile every other chain that followed the RadioShack model (e.g. Dick Smith in Australia who tried to go the consumer white goods route) failed miserably.

    30. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Only in bulk. When building a large project buying online makes a lot of sense. When building something small or repairing something, or playing with a new hobby, a local shop easily wins.

      The internet only killed the "electronics" shops that stopped catering to hobbyists and started crapping out mobile phones, laptops, and printer cartridges. Actual electronics stores are still alive and well.

    31. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Radioshack is a textbook example of poor management. Their entire business model stemmed around being a market follower with heavy brick and mortar into industries that relied on first mover advantage and superior logistics.

    32. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was only true in the later years. When I worked there (the 90s), we were under enormous pressure to get 100% phone number and address on all our sales. If we dipped below a certain point, disciplinary action would result. A district manager once told me "If you can't sell something that's free, I have no sympathy for you."

      That hints at the real reason Radio Shack failed. They made money because of their customer database and targeted mail marketing. Once that system broke down (due to the Internet, privacy considerations, etc.), Radio Shack no longer had a chance.

    33. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Radio Shack has been around for a long time, and you are missing a great deal of what they were and their history. Many Radio Shacks were franchise stores; hours of operation were determined by the owner-operator. Many of the stores, particularly the larger ones and those in malls, were open until 9 PM.

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    34. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the real issue why they couldn't sell CAPACITORS anymore and pay the rent is because, wait for it, PEOPLE ARE RETARDED AS HELL today.

      They aren't making any profit with discrete components because nobody is buying that stuff and if the few intelligent people left in the world need those parts, they are also smart enough to order them off Amazon, Alibaba, or ebay. (or maybe digikey or mouser at higher prices)

      RIP RadioShack. Got me started in the EE field, where I am a Director of Engineering for 10 years now and doing well.

    35. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I was taught "Bishop Brown raped our ..." so we knew where brown and black lay in the scheme of things. But that was 30 years ago....

      Back in the 1970s, I was taught an even more inappropriate version for the same reason. It began "Black boys...".

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    36. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Megane · · Score: 1

      Components weren't much of their sales. What really kicked their butt was the "long tail". Not just in terms of mail order, but stuff in stock locally everywhere. Have you been to the electronics section at WalMart lately? I did a few weeks ago. I was surprised what formerly nerd-only stuff they had there.

      The Radio Shacks around me that closed had a metric buttload of $35 6-foot HDMI cables, and most of them were still there on the last day, I think they were 70% off at the end. Seriously, I've got tons of second-hand HDMI cables around the house already. They had a real problem with stocking much more than was justified by consumer demand. (though I will accept that they might have gotten some of them from other stores closing out) They may not have had the ability to close enough stores five years ago until declaring bankruptcy, but I think they could have done much better to keep their merchandise stock levels under control. There were also parts I didn't expect they would have, like mini-Displayport monitor adapters and Apple (Magsafe 1) laptop power supplies, so I would never have shopped there for them, because their irrelevancy stopped me from even coming in to browse. Even a PDF-only version of their famous yearly catalog would have educated me about what they had!

      Components/hobby stuff likewise failed to save their ass. They at least recognized the maker movement existed, but they were too just slow to react, and ended up with tons of outdated stuff. The packaging was much better at the end (those new gray zip bags probably helped with all the droolers who got the wrong part and came back to return a ripped bag/hang card), and the parts drawer was a great idea. But they had some really obscure parts that probably didn't sell well, thus taking up space for more desirable parts.

      And some of the Arduino shields they stocked were pretty lame (let's stock Xbee shields but no radio modules!), but the two lamest were Ethernet (already common on higher-priced Arduino and other uC boards for the few who really needed it) and GSM (use the phone network with your Arduino to send texts for only $69 + monthly fees!) And no shields for WiFi. Wait, WTF, I hadn't realized that until just now. I'll say it again: NO ARDUINO SHIELDS OR ANY OTHER HOBBYIST PARTS FOR WIFI.

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    37. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by magusxxx · · Score: 1

      You left out the part about Apple. At one time they were selling Apple II's. And when the Mac came out they had a chance to actually become an official Macintosh distributor. As one manager told me, "It's hard enough finding people who know how PC's work." When I asked why this was he replied, "I meant harder to find someone who'll do it for the pay. Computer people want more money." This is also why I think they dropped the hobby parts. They weren't willing to pay for the expertise the job would have required.

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    38. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      To their credit, Gamestop has been doing this far worse for the past decade at least.

      me: Hi, I'd like this game that came out last week -
      gamestop: Madden? Did you pre-order it?
      me: no, it's-
      gamestop: we don't have it but we do have plenty of PS one games
      me: Those are twenty years old...
      gamestop: That's why they're only $20!
      Me: w-
      gamestop: You want the extended warranty on that. What do you have to trade in for it? We give a dollar per 360 game.

      They're not going great today, sure, but when radioshack was going that route, gamestop was inexplicably doing okay.

    39. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Charles Tandy bought the failing 9-store Radio Shack chain in 1963. He grew the company until his death in 1978. New management continued expansion, including the computer product line until computers became highly commoditized (i.e. low margin.) As time went on, management became weaker and competition steeper. The rate of failure of major consumer electronics retailers since about 1990 has been substantial; firms that should have been better able to survive than RS died while RS stumbled along.

      The markets have shifted, and I don't think that a chain of mostly small stores in any of RS's traditional markets, with a large national overhead, can succeed. Going back to hobbyists won't work.

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    40. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Really? Can you give an example? I find that hard to believe.

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    41. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and the recent employees thought that "bad boys rape our young girls but Violet goes willingly" was a rap song

      ew, gross.

      I grew up in the THM resistor colour code era and I never heard that one. It ain't big, it ain't clever and it ain't funny. Kinda makes me glad we have unreadably small, obtuse codes on out 0402s rather than that crap. I see there's already a bunch of posturing about how marvellous it was from people who most likely aren't actually working electronic engineers.

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    42. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Ahhhh you're my doppelganger. Though I'm a year younger, and I've seen a Fry's twice, though it was on the same trip to California.

    43. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! Another part of why they failed is their insistence on hiring people with sales experience, and not even giving them minimal training in what the store actually carried and where it was in the store. For a long time (before they tried to become a cell phone store) I knew more about what they sold and what shelf it was on than their employees did. As an example: A friend had a favorite cassette that the housing got broken on. I knew that Radio Shack had a cassette shell for just such a repair. My friend walked up to the counter and asked about it. They were still telling him that they didn't have such a thing, when I tossed it on the counter!

    44. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by See+Attached · · Score: 1

      Not at 90% off at closing sale. It was sad, but I dropped a C note on stuff that I hope will keep my fingers dirty. Agreed though on the Amazon killing the Brick/Mortar... I paid for 7400 LED in Amber at 2AM last night and its here by 8 PM. Hey.. USPS even does delivery on Sunday? I see USPS as the smart guys here. THey are working with AMazon to keep them selves in the new supply chain.

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    45. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by See+Attached · · Score: 1

      So now.. all this tech is shipped to Korea and China as a "better idea" and now our kids have no jobs to move into that arena.. .so alot of the interest goes away, aside from the high level Geekz. Could we design and build a flat screen today? Not sold on all angles of globalized work force. When we lose the ability to produce things, do we risk losing our sovereignty?

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    46. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      opening "The Incredible Universe" with a fair amount of fanfare

      ...and expecting me to fill out a membership application to get in the door. Nope. Few months later they announced you could browse without a membership if you weren't buying anything, and I visited. Guess what: It was a Radio Shack with dishwashers.

      Then they opened Tech America

      ...and for a few months I actually had a serviceable electronics store. Naturally, they shut it down.

    47. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

      I learned the"Bad Boys" variant, as well, but with the addition of "get some now!" to cover the tolerance band...

      The other one I remember was Bad Beer Rots Our Young Guts, But Vodka Goes Well...

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    48. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "I heard all sorts of wonderful tales about Radio Shack when I was a kid."

      I can remember being in one of these, circa 1958. Ham radio components hanging from the walls like bats in a cave, tubs of resistors and capacitors, spools of wire and skeins of solder. And ask Grandpa (yes, in those days no woman had ever stepped inside a Radio Shack) to tell you what a 'tube' was - the place had bins full of them.

    49. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Neener: Phoenix has two of them.

    50. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

      This is SO TRUE. And anyone that's been in a Radio Shack knows it. SO frieaking annoying. I haven't been in a Radio Shack in about 3 decades. Sadly. How I miss the 70's.....

    51. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Narcocide · · Score: 1
    52. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Pacific Radio Electronics

      Places exist. They don't have the market saturation or visibility that RadioShack locations had, but if you live in a big city you'll find people still need electronics stores that cater to people who need to actually get work done and aren't just shopping for toys.

    53. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Local shop definitely wins for repairing. I don't want to wait for a couple of days for my order to be processed and parts to be sent out. Even if I have to pay $20 in shop instead of $2 online, I'm still going to go to the local shop for those few replacement parts that I want now.

    54. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      I had a very different experience at a Radio Shack store here in NYC a day after hurricane Sandy hit.

      It was virtually impossible to find alkaline batteries in Manhattan. Carbon zinc batteries were being sold at highway robbery prices by every store that had any.

      I stopped in at a Radio Shack near Columbia University and asked if they had any "D", "C", or "AA" alkaline batteries. The guy behind the counter checked the store inventory and said yes, then brought out boxes of them. And I was charged the advertised "sale" price - something like "buy 1 get 1 free", as I recall. That meant that we had working flashlights and a radio for the next few days while power was being restored in lower Manhattan.

      Stores like that should not fail.

    55. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by ogdenk · · Score: 2

      Even uttering that within earshot of anyone under 35 now can get you fired. I tend to use "Bad Beer Rots Out Your Guts But Vodka Goes Well - Get Some Now" instead so I don't get accused of supporting "rape culture" and "slut-shaming" by virtue signalling militant morons.

    56. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      You forgot "Computer City".... aka "Computer Shitty" which was Tandy's attempt at a CompUSA clone.

    57. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RIP

      Circuit City
      CompUSA
      Dixons
      Egghead Software
      Electronics Boutique
      The Good Guys
      Radio Shack/Tandy
      The Robert Austin Computer Show

    58. Re: Digikey kicks their butt by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Online might be cheaper and have more, but it's going to really, really suck when you need something they used to sell at 2pm on some Saturday to proceed with some project you're working on. Even with overnight shipping, your project is dead until at least Tuesday (maybe even Wednesday, since Amazon Prime seems to have weird, unpredictable times when seemingly NOTHING can be purchased on Monday for overnight delivery on Tuesday... literally EVERYTHING says "order within the next 92 hours and get it on Wednesday". It's like they just randomly shut down nationwide on random Mondays.

    59. Re: Digikey kicks their butt by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Besides .1uF caps used between Vcc and ground, and low-ESR caps used by power supplies, capacitor values don't really seem to matter much anymore. At least, not as much as they used to.

    60. Re: Digikey kicks their butt by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Lucky you! Frys doesn't exist AT ALL in Florida. :-(

    61. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our version, as un-PC as it was: "...behind Victory Garden walls".

    62. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 1

      Yup. We actually had two Radio Shacks in my small town, both owned by the same franchisee. The great thing about the franchise stores was that the owner had a lot of say in what the store could carry. In our two stores the franchisee was very tech-focused (as many of the independent franchisees were) and would carry Jimpack parts and dozens of other non-Radio Shack brands as well. Awesome stores for the hobbyist. However, Tandy went on the 'identical retail' push in the '90s along with many other retailers, trying to make every store in the chain identical in (crappy) parts and service. They eventually bought out and/or closed down all the old original franchisees, which IMO helped contribute to the long slow demise of Radio Shack.

    63. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Fry's is a classic example in America. Jaycar and Altronics took over in Australia. I pass two mom and pop stores on the way home from work which was great when I had a problem causing me to blow fuses in my amplifier, and my local one is called Kiwi and they are open on Saturdays too which is great when I found out why the fuse in my amp was blowing and needed a specific capacitor quickly.

      The mom and pop stores are great as they service the local repair industry and thus get constant deliveries from an endless amount of wholesalers. One said if I'm willing to wait about 2 days he can get me anything that I normally get online without having to pay any shipping costs as he'll just lump it in with other regular oders. And Kiwi has gone full "maker" where I cycled for 10min and walked into the store to get a RaspberryPi Zero + case + small touch display + RTC from Adafruit even while Slashdot users insisted Zeros didn't exist.

      You don't need to find anything hard to believe, you just need to Google and then scroll past Mouser and Digikey.

    64. Re: Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess with a 10 hours drive you will be able to cross many states. He's not lucky at all.

    65. Re: Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The defaults say that but often I found that when I got to the shipping screen options I can choose one day. Weird they don't note that on product page but my guess is it helps keep prime costs down and possibly some sort of AI that thinks it knows you better than you know yourself.

    66. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by doccus · · Score: 1

      That is precisely how it was up here in Canada. You couldn't even find a store clerk who even knew what a circuit board WAS. And not a single electronic component for sale any more. One difference from the states , it seems, was that they changed their name tosomething else (which escapes me ATM) and started selling .. um.. overpriced cellphones :-). But successfully. I think the Canadian franchise must have been sold ten, because one day I woke up and found out all the stores had this new name. They're still in business today.

    67. Re: Digikey kicks their butt by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Capacitor values still matter in analog circuits. If you're building audio or radio gear, you'll need some that aren't bypass or power filtering values. Digital circuits now rarely contain analog timing circuits or filters (earlier ones did have delay lines) so you're rarely going to need capacitors in values that aren't powers of 10.

    68. Re: Digikey kicks their butt by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Not really. From Miami (depending on traffic along the way), it can take 10+ hours just to reach the state line (Palm Beach County *alone* can take an hour and a half to traverse due to general gridlock from Boca Raton to Lake Worth). My all-time "3am, no-traffic" record from Miami to Orlando was ~3 hours... normally, it's more like 4-6 if you aren't north of Broward County by 3:30pm (traffic goes downhill *really* fast the moment kids start getting out of school, then 5pm hits while the roads are *still* saturated & the Turnpike & 95 grind to a dead stop in southern PBC)

    69. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "bad boys rape our young girls but Violet goes willingly" for silver or gold

    70. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by martinfb · · Score: 1

      Yep, me too. Radio Shack, Heath, Digikey, Lafayette Electronics stores, etc...!
      Oh, the memories!

      While the 'net provides good sources, there was something about perusing the stores for cool projects...

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    71. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by SandWyrm · · Score: 1

      Even Frys doesn't carry the kinds of electronic parts that you need to do all electronics projects. It used to be that they only carried stuff for building audio gear. Now they've finally started stocking robotics/drone-oriented kits, but I still have to go online for most of what I need to tinker with.

      Assuming that I know what the thing I need is called, and all of the other things that an expert at a shop could easily guide me through.

    72. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by SandWyrm · · Score: 1

      FYI: We have a Frys in Indianapolis.

    73. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I know, but when it was new it was just a grocery store in the Bay Area, which morphed into a tiny number of technology oriented stores in the 80s.

    74. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I've lived in several states and have never seen a fry's

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    75. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no try tayda electronics or even mouser or digikey or Farnell/element 14 or a zillion others that will do single unit purchases now. It's fantastic.

    76. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Black boys...' is the better version. Disambiguates black and brown and pisses the snowflakes off, even more.

    77. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What? RS sold their own computer. The Trash-80, never sold Crapples.

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    78. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surface mount really had nothing to do with it.
      I worked at Radio Shack just as they were starting to really spiral down and hung in there just a bit too long. No one thing kicked their butt and it was a very slow and painful death they were going through.
      They started getting rid of the good district managers in my area.
      They sold their soul to Sprint and managed to totally screw that up as well - I started as a dedicated Sprint Wireless Specialist. That actually had great potential but they failed to properly define the position and only a couple of us in my "super" district were kept after they killed it and that was because we had sat with our respective managers at the beginning and DEFINED the position so it actually WORKED at our stores.
      They put way too much focus on cell phones and started getting away from the accessories and batteries that were their bread and butter - basically focusing on revenue rather than profit.....
      They ditched reasonable service plans for garbage ones and got rid of their best people for not being able to get an insane attach rate on the worthless service plans.
      Stuff that wasn't selling they did "force feed" orders on so they could warehouse it in the stores and take up space from stuff that actually sold. Stuff that WAS selling would be nearly impossible to get and we were bleeding in FedEx fees doing ICST between stores to get products in the hands of customers since the stores that had the products weren't selling them and vice-versa.
      They killed commission and basically things got to the point where they were expecting people to get all excited that if they beat the sales goals and made the attach rates on the "service" plans they might get $1 an hour more than minimum wage.
      They killed the training because they couldn't keep people who knew anything anyhow.;
      They got rid of the ability to have demo products. Putting WORKING products in the hands of potential customers works VERY well at moving product. If car dealerships got rid of test drives how many cars would they sell?????
      They moved stores around and failed to advertise that so customers just assumed the stores had closed and had no clue it was just down the road. PLUS they wouldn't spring for additional signage so the new locations were buried in the plaza and most people coming in the plaza would have no clue there was a Radio Shack there.
      They pretty much took any control over the stores away from the managers and yet it was all the fault of the managers they sales were going downhill. One manager said it was like being a monkey in a spaceship unable to press any buttons but it's all the monkey's fault when the ship crashes.... So they lost good managers.....
      I ended up working at 2 different stores (each one moved so 4 locations) and went from making almost as much as I had working as a systems engineer in IT to basically less money than unloading trucks at Walmart - yes I did that briefly until I could get back into a job making better money after I gave up on Radio Shack since it paid more......

    79. Re: Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RadioShack dumped parts over a decade ago. Sadly.

    80. Re: Digikey kicks their butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Address and phone number went out over a decade ago.

    81. Re:Digikey kicks their butt by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

      My first 2m transceiver was a Heath 2036A. As with all Heath designs, there was room for improvement.

      - changed RF connector from a RCA jack (seriously, Heath?) to a BNC (no room for a UHF)
      - replaced the thumbwheel frequency switches with LED backlit ones, so I could see the frequency at night in the car
      - added a microphone connector

      I think I still have it somewhere. Along with a Heath Frequency counter and GDO.

      Through hole parts made building stuff yourself a lot easier.

  2. They've had it coming for decades by suso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recently went to a local RadioShack going out of business "sale" and heard one of the employees yell at the customers "I don't have a job, stop buying stuff at Amazon people!". I can certainly agree that people have been buying too much toilet paper from Amazon to the demise of local business, but in RadioShack's case, its much deeper.

    The start of RadioShack's demise predates online shopping by at least a decade. I'm sure many long time readers here will attest to this that RadioShack for many years has lost its way. I found one of my own blog posts from 2002 in which I complained about RadioShack. There was an episode of Seinfeld in the 90s where they made fun of RadioShack for asking for your phone number when you buy batteries. Hiring people who had no idea what they are doing and little interest in working or helping customers. A product selection that was out of date with what was available on the market and prices that were unreasonably high. Even with their 90% discount on component electronics and maker stuff, I still wasn't interested in buying what they had left because it was still no better than online pricing.

    Now i'm hopeful that the vacancy left by RatShack (Its pet names go way back) can be filled by people who may wish to cater more to the Maker market, but have not wanted to risk trying to compete with RadioShack still around.

    1. Re:They've had it coming for decades by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      RadioShack only has itself to blame. In the internet age, stores are no longer a place to buy products, but a place to get a product quickly or a place to talk to actual people. They should had jumped onto the maker movement and RadioShack could had been a Maker Space headquarters. However they just sold phone and phone supplies which you can get anywhere.

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    2. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Aighearach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I stopped shopping at Radio Shack in the late `90s, back when Amazon was only a bookstore.

      The thing is, people who are buying loose parts often have to browse and look at the parts, and compare them, and stand there thinking about which one will work in some project.

      And as soon as I walk in the door, they want to "help" me, and after I tell them, "No thanks, I'm just browsing," a second employee, who was in the room when the first one tried, walks up and tries to "help" me, and I respond, "NO thanks" in an irritated voice. Of course I'm irritated, you just freakin' heard me say I don't need "help" and then you walked up and lied to my face by asking a question you already heard me answer. It is offensive to be treated that way. And then a third person walks out of the back, triggered by the door chime, who also asks if I need help. And there is nobody else in the store, so they already know that if nobody is "helping" me, the other two people already asked. At this point, I haven't even found the part I was considering yet, but I'm already angry and leaving.

      Stores that don't believe in customer service will die, even when their customers grew up liking them and really really want to give them another chance. I popped back in a few times over the years since, and I always had the same awful experience, and I always walked out without buying anything.

      Even when I was still shopping there, they were the first store in town to start trying to demand personal information like name and phone numbers. Once I even had to talk to the manager to make an anonymous cash purchase, because the person at the register hadn't even been trained on what to do when somebody says, "No thank you, cash only." They actually thought they weren't allowed to make the sale!

      The only other store I had that sort of experience at was that national woodworking chain store. That was only 2 years ago, and when they said there was no manager available I made them call their regional office to find out that yes, in fact they are allowed to make a cash sale to the general public. They don't seem to be aware that they don't have a cornered market, even if they're the only brick-and-mortar selling some of their items.

      Stores should realize, if retail workers are doing something other than assisting the customer with what the customer wants assistance with, they'll get replaced. And the means of replacing them is to not shop at your store.

    3. Re:They've had it coming for decades by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > I'm sure many long time readers here will attest to this that RadioShack for many years has lost its way.

      Indeed.

      > There was an episode of Seinfeld in the 90s where they made fun of RadioShack for asking for your phone number when you buy batteries.

      Perfect textbook-case example!

      I didn't realize how bad their complete lack of respect was until ~2001 when a friend was buying something trivial from them. His response to the telephone question was "Cash customer." I thought that was a very clever and polite way to say "Fuck Off with your Marketing bullshit already!"

      The Clerk didn't even blink and continued the sale.

      > A product selection that was out of date with what was available on the market and prices that were unreasonably high. Even with their 90% discount on component electronics and maker stuff, I still wasn't interested in buying what they had left because it was still no better than online pricing.

      Yup, you've succinctly nailed the 2 reasons why Radio Shack failed.

      > RatShack (Its pet names go way back)

      WHOA, haven't heard that in a LONG time.

      The one we used was "RadioShit" .. because they were slowly turning to crap and seemed to be completely oblivious to the sinking of the Titanic.

      Everyone whines that "Internet is killing Brick-and-Mortar stores" -- but considering I don't have to deal with pushy salespeople, or completely CLUELESS sales people (I"m looking at you "Worst Buy") -- then you didn't have to be a Kreskin to know that Radio Shack's primary failure was the inability to adapt.

      Why didn't RadioShack become the next DigiKey ?
      Why didn't they hire knowledgeable people ?

      They were so focused on the bottom line that they became the bottom.

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    4. Re:They've had it coming for decades by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      The one we used was "RadioShit"

      Around here we called them "RadioScrap".

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    5. Re:They've had it coming for decades by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      They failed in many ways, Can you imagine a rat shack that could make one off PCB's, pick and place and solder them? Realy not that hard and a small investment, most of the bits they already stocked. They had the advantage of proximity get me a populated PCB in a few hours at a marginal price that buying the parts there and I'm going to buy parts there.

      They failed when they because 50% cell phones and monster cable stupidity. They failed when they hired and retained the least knowledgeable but hawked the most phones people.

      Overall they lacked vision the rat shack of the 80's was the home of the nerd, you could walk in and get the parts to make a rainbow box and stuff it into an old cassette case, advice on how to do it and a hey that's cool encouragement. Hacker zines and usenet listed rat shack part numbers. When they became just a place to hard sell you a phone or some cheap rc car it was a place you avoided.

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    6. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > recently went to a local RadioShack going out of business "sale" and heard one of the employees yell at the customers "I don't have a job, stop buying stuff at Amazon people!".

      I'd walk up to the employee, look him in the eye and say. "Dozen resistors, one kiloohm, half-watt please."

    7. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the home of the Trash-80 computer :)

    8. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked at a major retail office chain for well over a decade and we were told and would get reprimanded if everyone in the store did not speak to a customer within 20 seconds of coming within 20 feet of them, now that would mean I could be at one end of an aisle and would have to speak to someone that just walked past the other end not even coming into the same aisle.

      Someone not spoken to within 20 seconds of entering the store, you would get written up with some managers.

    9. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Making PCBs in house would be a nightmare of regulation just from the chemicals, let alone the clueless people behind the counter screwing up the gerber files.

    10. Re:They've had it coming for decades by sjames · · Score: 1

      Exactly this. Their staff used to be primarily retired engineers and EEs looking for supplemental income that wouldn't overly hinder studying. Many were hams. You want advice on a project? They knew what they were talking about.

      I knew RS was going down the first time I walked into one, asked where the bell wire was and they had no clue what I was asking for. I tried "enamel coated wire" and they still had no clue. "That kind of orangy colored wire like you see in a speaker" didn't ring any bells (sorry for the pun) either. I might as well have been speaking Venusian.

      It seems their management forgot what their name even meant.

      Towards the end of RS, had I wanted a digital multimeter NOW, Home Depot would be a better choice than RS.

    11. Re:They've had it coming for decades by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Why didn't they hire knowledgeable people?

      They did. I worked there for nearly 3 years, always had the highest sales in my store (typically more than the rest of my store combined), people cam to my store looking for me and when they'd move me to a new store, those customers would follow. Then, they shitcanned me because I wasn't selling enough phones.

      It's not that they didn't hire knowledgeable people, it's that they treated them like shit and eventually cast them out despite their loyalty.

      Those of us who were cast out by the place we grew up loving, well, we're getting the last laugh. It's bitter-sweet, because we did love the place and it's sad to see what it became before it died, but we're still here and RadioShack is not. Word is the district manager who fired me back in 2003 hasn't been able to find work since 2015; that does put a smile on my face, considering how it went down.

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    12. Re:They've had it coming for decades by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      And you'd have gotten them if you walked into my store and did that. With a smile and an inquiry into your project, with advice where applicable.

      I didn't last long... didn't sell enough phones.

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    13. Re:They've had it coming for decades by sjames · · Score: 1

      RadioShack was mortally wounded and trying to die back when the internet was dial-up and there was no Amazon.com. AOL was still a walled garden and Compu$erve was spelled with a dollar sign. If you had a full T1, you were a big player on the internet.

    14. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hiring people who had no idea what they are doing and little interest in working or helping customers.

      Yep, I remember walking into a Radio Shack in about 2010 and asking for a computer power supply (PSU).
      The clerk said "we don't have those". Then I pulled one of the shelf and showed him.

    15. Re:They've had it coming for decades by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Wonder how much of that is based on the fact that suddenly moderately technologically capable people were able to get IT jobs all over the place that paid better.

    16. Re:They've had it coming for decades by systemeng · · Score: 1

      When I was in semiconductor test, components were graded according to how well they met the spec and placed in bins. The lowest grade of component that vaguely worked even if it didn't meet the whole spec was colloquially known as the "Radio Shack Bin".

    17. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wonder how much of that is based on the fact that suddenly moderately technologically capable people were able to get IT jobs all over the place that paid better.

      Not true. I'm an EE but live in an area that is devoid of technology companies. I just don't want to move. Actually, I like to be as far as humanly possible from the west coast of the US as I can (hence where I live: Kendall). I used to work remote but that's difficult to pick up for lots of hardware jobs.

      I would gladly take a job at a RadioShack advising people on electronic concepts. But I don't think I would be able to sell a cellphone. RadioShack decided they wanted to compete with BestBuy. And it killed them. I would have loved a RadioShack maker space concept.

    18. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you call "bell wire" is not enamel coated wire. Bell wire is twisted pair with PVC coating; enamel coated wire, AKA magnet wire is single-strand copper with an enamel coating.

      Radio shack did indeed sell both, although in their later days the magnet wire was only available in a three pack of different gauges, and intended to be used in wire-wrap projects (a PCB that didn't use solder).

    19. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That wasn't enameled wire in the three pack, it was Kynar coated wire. I still have some. The square wire wrap posts cut through the insulation (with special tools or you had to strip it) to make contact in the wrap.

    20. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Megane · · Score: 1

      Now i'm hopeful that the vacancy left by RatShack (Its pet names go way back)

      Mine was "Radio Shock", a slight corruption of the version of their logo in the '80s or so, just lose the tail on the 'a'.

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    21. Re:They've had it coming for decades by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Kendall in South Florida? I mean, it's definitely far from the West Coast, but Miami is not exactly the Ozarks! There should be plenty of IT jobs near you.

    22. Re:They've had it coming for decades by sjames · · Score: 1

      Now, yes. Then no. Then it meant wire used to wrap the solenoid in a bell (and similar applications). Now people frequently enough mis-use the term to mean the wire that goes from the button to the bell that we call the enameled stuff magnet wire. Of course, bell wire was originally insulated with paraffin dipped cotton cloth, but times change.

    23. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't Sierra get sued back in the late 80s for having a store called "Radio Shock" in one of their games? Ah the good old glory days...

    24. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Once there was a magazine (whose name escapes me, senior moment) that offered games you could type in BASIC for the Apple, Atari and TRS-80. Soon as the first issue came out, the publisher had a visit from Tandy's lawyer, threatening a lawsuit if they continued mentioning Radio Shack products without paying royalties. They coped with it by labeling the games "Z-80", the name of the TRS-80's chip. Tandy got their wish: nobody ever mentions Radio Shack computers today.

      Incidentally, the magazine went down anyway a year or so later; the publisher got so obsessed with playing D&D that he failed to run the business.

    25. Re:They've had it coming for decades by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean "6502"?

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    26. Re:They've had it coming for decades by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 1

      Back in the '80s and '90s many of the sales people were HAMs or retired engineers getting out of the house and making a little money on the side. If I needed a 74LS08 or a 5K pot, they knew exactly what I was talking about and where they were. That all changed once the cellphone debacle started. I knew those guys, and they all had the same experience you had. Sad.

    27. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the early Apple used a 6502. The original TRS-80 used the Z80 (the color computer used a 6809, pretty cool Motorola part).

    28. Re:They've had it coming for decades by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      The CoCo was also a TRS-80. And yes I did mean 6809. D'oh!

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    29. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one we used was "RadioShit"

      Around here we called them "RadioScrap".

      Hmm, it was "RadioShaft" to me.

    30. Re:They've had it coming for decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not doing your job. Then you were let go.
      Let me ask, were you surprised?

    31. Re:They've had it coming for decades by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      My job was to stock shelves and serve customer needs; cell phone sales were bonus-driven, we got a $5 bonus for each. Selling a cell phone took 30 minutes, which could potentially yield $10 in bonus pay per hour were I to manage to sell 2 per hour; I could easily top that in raw sales commission, so that's what I did when there were more customers than employees in the store. I had no problem shoving a phone down someone's throat if we were slow, but it just didn't make sense to ignore or risk losing a $20 commission to chase a $5 bonus.

      Oddly, for someone who didn't sell enough phones, I quite regularly won monthly district phone sales contests.

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  3. Radio Shack by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Clearly they didn't get invested enough into selling clouds.

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    1. Re:Radio Shack by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They didn't have enough agile synergies to generate a full-stack one-stop hip-hop value proposition.

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    2. Re:Radio Shack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BINGO!

  4. One of last surplus flea markets is closing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got an email saying the "First Saturday Sidewalk Sale" in Dallas, Texas, is closing after over 40 years a week from tomorrow.

    See http://app.streamsend.com/private/128wws0yyw/HY8/zoeZgm1/browse/29013379 for the announcement.

    A brief history can be found at http://www.sidewalksale.com/FAQ.html .

  5. That was my shortest job ever by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    I worked at a local RadioShack for a few hours once. I had gone through their training (which I had to go to a different suburb for), had store orientation, then by the time my first day came up I had a job offer somewhere else. It so happened that first day was the only day they put me on the schedule - presumably with plans to arrange the rest of my schedule at the conclusion of that day - and so I worked through my day and said thanks but no thanks, I have another job offer elsewhere.

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    1. Re:That was my shortest job ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the main reason we don't believe in training, we only hire candidates who are self motivated and can hit the ground running

    2. Re:That was my shortest job ever by DogDude · · Score: 0

      You're a dick for doing that.

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    3. Re:That was my shortest job ever by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait, do you want them to hit the ground, or do you want them to run? You can only pick one.

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    4. Re:That was my shortest job ever by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      How so? They hadn't scheduled me for any hours beyond that first day when I showed up for that day. They took forever to hire me (this was back in the 90s), so long that I was able to get hired by someone else in the time it took them to get me through their stupid training.

      I met my obligations to them. If they hadn't taken so long to hire me maybe I would have stayed there, but I was given an offer from a company who was going to give me a better base pay while RadioShack was heavily on commission.

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    5. Re:That was my shortest job ever by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Because you took their pay while they trained you, and then split. You wasted a ton of their time and money. That's a real dick move.

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    6. Re:That was my shortest job ever by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      I followed the schedule that they assigned me. I did not choose my start date, my training date, or any other date - they set all of those. If they would have set those dates to be closer to the date that I actually applied for the job, then maybe I would have been established with them well enough before getting the offer for the other job that I would have turned the other job down.

      The notion of wasting "a ton of their time and money" is laughable as well. The training day was only about 2 hours long - though it wasted a full day of mine as it was in the middle of the day. Similarly my first and only day was only a 4 hour shift that screwed up my entire day as well. They likely gained more from me than they put in as it allowed them to test to see how much they could abuse an incoming employee for their own benefit.

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    7. Re:That was my shortest job ever by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      What a strange thing to say! Nobody was stopping them from offering more money. If employees don't quit for better paying jobs we end up with lower salaries.

      Low pay equals high turnover. It's a choice the employer makes.

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  6. How did Sears outlast them? by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really that is the only question I have left. I guess Sears is staying afloat by the fact that they own most of their real estate and can use it as collateral. RadioShack by comparison has really nothing to offer any more to keep the doors open. Even as stupid as the decisions made by RadioShack top brass have been, they are nothing compared to the rampaging stupidity and arrogance that is Sears CEO Eddie Lampert.

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    1. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Family Guy's excellent summary of Sears today:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    2. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Sears has serious problems, but they also have a lot of sales and a lot of revenue, in addition to real estate.

      Also, if you go into a Sears to shop, you get normal customer service that is the same uniform customer service you would expect from other stores. They're not driving people away, they don't have empty stores.

      Long-term they might be doomed, simply because there are too many box stores for them all to survive in a mail order age. But they also might be the one that survives. Their customers are generally happy shopping there.

    3. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by damn_registrars · · Score: 0, Troll

      You describe a very different Sears from the one I was in most recently. The last time I went in to a Sears I was one of at least 8 customers in the tools department, and there were a total of ZERO employees there. This was shortly after the store had opened for the morning. Any one of us could have easily walked out the door with merchandise and nobody would have been able to stop us. I went to the adjacent department where I found someone in clothing who was at a register. I asked him to page someone to help us in tools; care to guess his response? He told me he could not, and would not, do that. He actually REFUSED to help us.

      Care to guess why he would not help us? Not because he was worried about deserting his department and its zero customers. He did that because that is what corporate told employees to do. A while back Eddie Lampert decided that he needed to add some aspects of Lord of the Flies to his established Atlas Shrugged philosophy. A formal order was passed down that employees are not to help customers who want help in other departments. If you ask an employee in electronics how to get to tools, they should respond by trying to sell you a television. No employee is to ever help a customer purchase anything that is not in their department.

      That said, the stores I've seen aren't far from empty. Sears is having serious credit problems right now so there are lots of empty shelves as they can't get merchandise in.

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    4. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I distinctly remember a stand-up comic joking about the absence of employees at Sears back in the early 90s.

      IMO, this is a plus. I don't really need customer service to shop most of their goods. The real problem is that most of their goods are simply junk.

      However, they are cheap and local, which I assume is convenient for the mostly lower income, new immigrant types who I do see shopping. Great for them, IMO.

      The local store sites on a huge lot in a semi-desireable location near downtown. The building itself, however, is a windowless concrete fortress withe curb appeal of a prison. I'm at a loss as to why that was every an appealing design.

    5. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really that is the only question I have left. I guess Sears is staying afloat by the fact that they own most of their real estate and can use it as collateral. RadioShack by comparison has really nothing to offer any more to keep the doors open. Even as stupid as the decisions made by RadioShack top brass have been, they are nothing compared to the rampaging stupidity and arrogance that is Sears CEO Eddie Lampert.

      Sears is staying afloat by selling bits and pieces with interesting strings. For example, they sold Craftsman tools to Ace Hardware, but retained the right to
      sell said tools in Sears outlets.

    6. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

      I distinctly remember a stand-up comic joking about the absence of employees at Sears back in the early 90s.

      I recall a Leno joke about that back in the day. Sears had an ad campaign back then about how smart their shoppers were, which they used in a lot of commercials. They had one commercial that was something like "who is smarter, this Nobel prize winning scientist, or this Sears shopper?". Leno replied that it was likely the latter, provided they could locate a cashier at Sears in order to pay for their merchandise.

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    7. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Totally off topic, but one of the recommended videos on that page was "Hacking Juiceroos DRM fruit bags". What the hell is wrong with this world? Picture yourself shopping at the Big Star back in '77 looking at a can of chopped fruit and someone walks up and says "one day that fruit will include advanced integrated circuits to make sure you only use that fruit in an approved manner. It will be illegal to get around it".

    8. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AvE is simply the most fun channel on the intertubes.

    9. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by Megane · · Score: 1

      I guess Sears is staying afloat by the fact that they own most of their real estate

      This is true. There was a local mall here which was entirely torn down except for the Sears, presumably because Sears had ownership interest in that part of the mall. A double strip mall was built In place of the rest of the mall (the back side was still a level below the front), and a Target built into a corner of the typically enormous parking lot. The Sears remained right where it was.

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    10. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I went to the adjacent department where I found someone in clothing who was at a register.

      Consider the alternative.

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    11. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Your tale seems way over-told to me. When you exaggerate to an extreme degree and make wild and specific claims about the internal workings of the business, where the focus is on an individual that works there, then I have to think that you're probably disgruntled for entirely other reasons that having gotten slow service at the tool counter.

      I bought a router set there, and there was no "tool counter," just a customer service island in the tool department, and there is either somebody there, or there isn't. If nobody is at that register, you have to walk to a different register. I understand that is too difficult for some people, and if they can't afford concierge then it is frustrating for them.

    12. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I agree. I'm amazed the anti-fun police haven't dropped on him. Just for his sense of humor. (e.g. 'I can't find the hole, it's not surrounded by fur...', 'We're drilling like when the wife comes home from book club loaded on red wine' etc etc)

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    13. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      When you exaggerate to an extreme degree and make wild and specific claims about the internal workings of the business

      These are not exaggerations. The person calling the shots for Sears and KMart (the latter of which he took over first) is Eddie Lampert. He has publicly declared his admiration for Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged on more than one occasion. He is known for being a total asshole to members of the board by shouting at them (via Skype, no less) at their meetings. He is the author of the order for floor employees that says nobody is to help out any customer who wants to shop in another department. This is all very well documented; if you ask nicely I would be willing to provide references for you though you are certainly welcomed to search for them yourself as well.

      I have to think that you're probably disgruntled for entirely other reasons that having gotten slow service at the tool counter.

      You can make that assumption but you would be wrong.

      I bought a router set there, and there was no "tool counter," just a customer service island in the tool department, and there is either somebody there, or there isn't

      I'm curious as to why you are placing special emphasis on "tool counter", when I never used the phrase myself. I referred to the tool department in my post, and I pointed out that the entire department was devoid of employees.

      If nobody is at that register, you have to walk to a different register. I understand that is too difficult for some people, and if they can't afford concierge then it is frustrating for them.

      Have you ever done an exchange in the tool department - in particular for a hand tool to be exchanged under the "lifetime guarantee"? That is supposed to be done at the register in the tool department, as they often have a specific set of spares for many of the tools that are supposed to be sent out - and there is a specific set of directions that are supposed to be followed for that exchange. That is why I needed someone at the register in the tool department.

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    14. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You skipped over the part where you're focused on this one guy that you probably haven't worked with and don't know which decisions he's even making. You're obsessed with him, and disgruntled. Adding more blah-blah doesn't make it any more reasonable.

    15. Re:How did Sears outlast them? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      and don't know which decisions he's even making

      His decisions are well published. He is CEO and controller of the majority of shares, giving him the ability to pass down whatever decisions he wants. He has openly boasted about many of his decisions as being of his own doing as well.

      But if you don't want to read about him, I can't force you to do so. Similarly I can't stop you from making sweeping and baseless assumptions about me.

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  7. Reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That kinda reminds me of the children's book The Giving Tree that I sometimes read my daughter at night.

  8. I'll trade you by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would happily let Radio Shack close all its stores if it meant that we could get just one Fry's electronics store in my state (MN).

    1. Re:I'll trade you by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 2

      I would happily let Radio Shack close all its stores if it meant that we could get just one Fry's electronics store in my state (MN).

      Dude: you've got Digikey! And Duluth. Quit being so greedy! :-)

      (yeah, I know, it's all mail order)

    2. Re:I'll trade you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fry's is a cool store

    3. Re:I'll trade you by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      I'll gladly trade all the Fry's Electronics stores in California for a Micro Center store. The one we had in Silicon Valley closed years ago.

    4. Re:I'll trade you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We must be lucky... We have a Duluth here and a Fry's in Duluth.... Georgia.

      Nathan

    5. Re:I'll trade you by link-error · · Score: 1

      I have FOUR fry's around the Dallas area. Spoiled rotten.

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    6. Re:I'll trade you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't have thought a guy your size would trade a fry for anything.

    7. Re:I'll trade you by Megane · · Score: 1

      I recently moved back to San Antonio from Austin, where I lived a 10 minute drive from Fry's. Now it's more like two hours away, including crossing to the far side of Austin, so I can't just go when I feel like it, even when I am already going to south Austin.

      Back around 10 or so years ago, the word was that they were going to build a Fry's in San Antonio, but that was right about the time the economy went bad, and Fry's ended up in financial trouble bad enough that suppliers required them to pay for merchandise in advance. Given the choice, I prefer to have one Fry's a hundred miles away over no Fry's at all. Even if they did decide to build one here, it would probably take at least two years to open.

      They closed all the Radio Shacks in Austin, and all but one in San Antonio (at least everybody has rumored that it will stay open), so I guess RS at least did that right. There are also a few other sources for stuff, like an Altex Electronics nearby. But I'd still love to see a Fry's here.

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    8. Re:I'll trade you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have a Microcenter in the St. Louis area, and it has really gotten crappy.

      When it first opened, they had a policy to match NewEgg on prices. They were actually cheaper than NewEgg for most PC parts already, albeit with a smaller selection. (But not enough smaller to make a real difference.) They had helpful employees that could answer questions about the things you were looking to buy. There was room to move around in the store comfortably. They had whole sections of products that most places don't stock at all. And most of their stock was decent quality stuff.

      Then they started piling the store full of cheap, useless crap. There's a bin full of those stupid back-brace things for office chairs sitting in the middle aisle. There's a never-ending traffic jam of pallets by the stock doors. Their prices went up. Their staff has been replaced with underpaid kids that don't know the answers to your questions. (They'd fit right in at Best Buy, though.) They've taken out a huge chunk of the peripherals section to put in a fancy, sparsely-stocked Apple display. They've gotten rid of software and books entirely. (Not that anybody buys those things at a store anymore...) The unloved gaming section that didn't know if it wanted to focus on consoles or PC gaming has given way to an unloved maker/electronics section that doesn't know if it wants to focus on drones or 3D printers. Their selection has gone from high-end to cheap crap in almost every department. And their website, while tolerable, is no match for NewEgg, and due to the local store presence, can't avoid sales tax.

      I want to like Microcenter. They're super-handy when you need a cheap 3-pack of HDMI cables. ($12 isn't bad when it's an in-stock, I-need-it-now purchase.) I did several of my PC builds and upgrades from there, because they were actually the cheapest option. But for the last couple of years, I've gone back to NewEgg for anything more than small bits and pieces. I have a feeling that Microcenter can't sustain the business I wish they were, and without repeat big-ticket buyers like me, they won't be able to sustain the business they're turning into either.

    9. Re:I'll trade you by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      The whole point of Radio Shack is that you could just walk in and get a couple of components, and you wouldn't have to WAIT for shipping. Although Digikey is also in the same state as me, it still takes 3 days to deliver using the cheapest shipping method (USPS). I don't know if they even *HAVE* a will call window.

      And Duluth... I want electronics stores, I don't want to go skiing.

    10. Re:I'll trade you by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

      I was just funnin'...

      Yes, that was what I liked about RS (before I started working in a place with a component stock) -- if you needed a 10k resistor, you could just run down and get one. And, hokey as they were, the Mims books were a fairly good intro to electronics (though nowhere near as good as Art of Electronics). I have yet to find a really good project based book that introduces you to electronics, starting with simple projects, and moving you up to more complex ones, while *explaining in sufficient detail* how they work.

      Now, at work, I pretty much live by Digikey and ExpressPCB. Boy, I wish we'd had those two when I started hacking.

  9. Bring back Heathkit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was fun electronics. Although I did have to go to Radioshack for the books on electronics to actually learn the theory. Must haves were the semiconductor cross reference, component and circuit books, etc.

    1. Re:Bring back Heathkit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the 200 in one electronics kit that was build like a brief case. Later gutted it to put in a wire wrapped RCA 1802 CPU with 11K of memory in it. Good times.

    2. Re:Bring back Heathkit... by Nchantim · · Score: 1

      That was fun electronics. Although I did have to go to Radioshack for the books on electronics to actually learn the theory. Must haves were the semiconductor cross reference, component and circuit books, etc.

      Ah yes.. remember the Forrest Mims books. Before the interwebs, Radio Shack was maybe the only place that had them.

  10. Top of my RS fixtures wish list by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

    I want one of those metal tablets that dispenses the multi-layered Radio Shack invoices. Then I can kill time by scribbling down the names, addresses and phone numbers of my family and friends over and over again.

  11. How much for the name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should reboot as a makerspace that sells pick and place, laser cutting/etching, and SLA printing services. Setup general part consignment with Arrow or someone.

    1. Re:How much for the name? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Seems like there could be room for a online middle ground between their crappy store presence and the cavernous catalogs of traditional suppliers.

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  12. Wish I had a Fry's near me by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    Fry's is pretty awesome in a pinch. I always stop by during my annual CES/Vegas trip.

    1. Re:Wish I had a Fry's near me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even Fry's is a shell of its former self. I'll go there tonight for a very cheap Chromebook and a fairly cheap desktop, but all the little odds and ends I couldn't help but throw in the cart years ago are gone now.

    2. Re:Wish I had a Fry's near me by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Really? I'm a lifelong geek who had been hearing about Fry's for decades, and thought it sounded overhyped, but when I finally went to one a few months ago I was surprised how good it was. It was the little odds and ends that impressed me the most I think.

  13. It is not a tragedy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked there in college, 2004. It was hell. The only customers were people who didn't know that Walmart or bestbuy had everything we sold for 1/2 the price. The only exception being the 6ft wall section of electronic components that got one use in my time there by a fellow college student who complained about the local electronics shop being closed after 5 and making it clear he hated RS.

    How did they make it out of the 90s without going under?

  14. How to succeed in retail by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RadioShack only has itself to blame. In the internet age, stores are no longer a place to buy products, but a place to get a product quickly or a place to talk to actual people

    Agreed with some additions. I go to a store for one of a few reasons:
    1) Entertainment. Shopping can be fun. Retail stores that do well understand this and work hard to make the shopping more than just an exchange of money for goods
    2) Convenience. Sometimes you need something fast or more efficiently than is possible through online shopping. If I need something Right Now then I'm probably going to make the drive to the local store.
    3) Selection. Some goods like produce and meats aren't identical from unit to unit and I want to pick the specific one I want. Also some goods are better purchased when you can actually touch and feel them. If all a retailer is selling is undifferentiated boxed goods then they are in danger of being eaten by Amazon.
    4) Expertise. While you can get expertise though an online experience, sometimes there is no substitute for talking to a qualified expert in person. When I bought my first SLR camera it was invaluable to talk to the experts at my local camera shop even after I had done a ton of internet research.
    5) Service. Good retail stores often have a service component to their business that is hard to replicate online. My local John Deere dealer services my lawn tractor every year in addition to having products for sale. Amazon would have a hard time replicating this business model.

    Good retail businesses incorporate many of these features. Stores like Sears and yes, Radio Shack that sell the same boxed crap I can get elsewhere for less than amazing prices are doomed to failure.

    1. Re:How to succeed in retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, Fry's Electronics has all of this now. I love browsing for gear, that and making fun of the 'Comic Store Guys' in the long-ass checkout lines

    2. Re:How to succeed in retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mentioned "Selection" as being a reason to go to a store. There's one thing that goes along with that: inventory.

      When I go to a store, it's because I want something now. I don't want you to have none of what I want. If you sell computers, have more than 2 kinds of mice in stock, that sort of thing. I don't want you to tell me that I can order whatever it is online from your website because if I wanted to do that I wouldn't be standing in your damned store.

      Have staff that knows what they're doing and a sufficient number of them that getting in and out of your store doesn't take forever, don't have idiotic rules for your staff that piss people off like "you have to say hi to every single person you come across ever (even if they clearly don't look like they want to talk)", and you can tell me about your extended warranty if you must but when I say no then shut up already. Oh, I don't mind paying a little more than online but if you're selling stuff for 50% more than online retailers you'd better be adding a lot of value or it's not worth it.

      People who run shopping centers: How about not making your parking lots infuriating mazes that take forever to get in and out of? There's a brand new outdoor mall literally 2 minutes from my home and I've actually ordered stuff online and gone to restaurants that are further away just so I don't have to put up with the bullshit of driving around a lot that looks like it was designed by a 2nd grader. Oh, and about the stupid trick in every new shopping center these days of making sure incoming traffic has no stop signs and exiting traffic does: if you're trying to make me think it's easy to shop in your mall that works exactly once. I know that when I drive in I'm going to have to drive out, so have some damned balanced traffic flow.

    3. Re:How to succeed in retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RadioShack only has itself to blame. In the internet age, stores are no longer a place to buy products, but a place to get a product quickly or a place to talk to actual people

      Agreed with some additions. I go to a store for one of a few reasons:
      1) Entertainment.

      Yes. Such as meeting someone who actually takes an interest in the products they sell. Someone with a bit of enthusiasm. For an electronics store - someone who himself is a maker or at least repairs stuff occationally.

      2) Convenience.

      So you go where you expect they actually have the stuff you wants.

      4) Expertise. While you can get expertise though an online experience, sometimes there is no substitute for talking to a qualified expert in person. When I bought my first SLR camera it was invaluable to talk to the experts at my local camera shop even after I had done a ton of internet research.

      A thousand times this! If the clerks only know how to operate the cash register - well I can have that experience online too. And online, I won't have to put up with them marketing stuppid phones either. Or having to drive somewhere.

      Perhaps there is some money in 'phones', but realize this: to someone capable of building his own electronics, phones are boring. Incredibly boring, unless it is a 'build your own phone'. But it never is.

    4. Re:How to succeed in retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fry's is only in 8 states, so not that successful.

    5. Re:How to succeed in retail by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      There's a safety reason for not having a stop sign for the inbound traffic at a large parking lot. Traffic crossing a big street to enter a lot, only to find that the entryway is blocked by a row of cars at a stop sign, is a collision waiting to happen.

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  15. Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by nucrash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's what happened pure and simple. Someone pointed out about how they moved away from being a hobbyist shop to an overpriced electronics shop and never moved back into the hobbyist market when the hobbyist market picked back up. They should be the place where you can buy Drones, 3D Printers, and Raspberry Pis and.. have classes where they can bring in outsiders to experiment with the products or troubleshoot what they need to do.

    Instead they failed and failed hard. I know I am being a bit of a Monday morning quarterback, but I had been preaching this for a long time. I watched other companies such as Frye's and MicroCenter pick up the slack while CompUSA and Circuit City took a dive. I still don't know how Best Buy continues, but it does. (Not geared towards the hobbyist though)

    It's tragic as I would really like to see someone fill the void and maybe mom and pop shops will. That's what I can hope for anyway.

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    1. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by Strider- · · Score: 1

      Someone pointed out about how they moved away from being a hobbyist shop to an overpriced electronics shop and never moved back into the hobbyist market when the hobbyist market picked back up

      RadioShack: You have questions, we have cell phones.

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    2. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      > and.. have classes where they can bring in outsiders to experiment with the products or troubleshoot what they need to do.

      My wife takes hobby classes for craft making of various kinds from time to time. If there was an electronics shop around here with Pi kits and classes on how to build things with them... I'd be signing up.

      I mean, I could figure it out on my own (I have a Pi and have done a few things with it) but given the lack of time I can afford to spend on it, having an instructor-led project to ensure I don't waste time on the basics, something with a set schedule outside my house... that'd be awesome.

    3. Re: Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by Pauldow · · Score: 2

      The store near me in W. Springfield, MA had build a mini drone workshops during last Christmas' school break. RS had some elements of really good marketing, such as sponsorship at MakerFaire. They just couldn't focus on a long-term strategy, and the company was too cumbersome to adapt quickly to changing markets.

      And, as was mentioned earlier, cell phones and Monster cables.

    4. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      There's nothing they could have done. As a hobbyist (with too many hobbies), I would invariably buy out of catalogs rather than the local hobby stores (that had a lifespan of about 3 years). Amazon and ebay made it impossible. Unless I was rich, why would I spend $60 in a hobby store on something that I could get from the manufacturer for $16.74?

    5. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what happened pure and simple. Someone pointed out about how they moved away from being a hobbyist shop to an overpriced electronics shop and never moved back into the hobbyist market when the hobbyist market picked back up. They should be the place where you can buy Drones, 3D Printers, and Raspberry Pis and.. have classes where they can bring in outsiders to experiment with the products or troubleshoot what they need to do.

      Instead they failed and failed hard. I know I am being a bit of a Monday morning quarterback, but I had been preaching this for a long time. I watched other companies such as Frye's and MicroCenter pick up the slack while CompUSA and Circuit City took a dive. I still don't know how Best Buy continues, but it does. (Not geared towards the hobbyist though)

      It's tragic as I would really like to see someone fill the void and maybe mom and pop shops will. That's what I can hope for anyway.

      BestBuy continues because they cater to technologically inept and/or fearful people who want someone to hold them by the hand and show them how everything works and then come to the home to install it all and repeat the service.

    6. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I shop at Best Buy and I don't fall in that category; for enough for their stuff, the prices are competitive with online retailers, and I can get it now without having to arrange for delivery.

    7. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by MobyDisk · · Score: 0

      A few years ago, they did start to get hobbiest stuff back in. That was *almost* the right move. But their employees didn't know anything about the new products. Why buy retail if they don't know their own product line?

      My favorite incident was when they had an in-store video advertisement for a Sphero. I asked the cashier where to find them, and they didn't know what a Sphero was. It turned out they didn't sell them! *facepalm*

      It's tragic as I would really like to see someone fill the void and maybe mom and pop shops will. That's what I can hope for anyway.

      My local mom-and-pop store closed recently too. It was a great place to buy antennas, loose electronics parts, connectors, soldering irons, push buttons, etc. It was a cool store, and their employees did actually know stuff - but it hadn't changed since 1985. They didn't know what an ARM or a Raspberry Pi or a 3D printer were. But the worst was their hours. Weekdays they closed at 6pm and they were closed Sundays. I almost want to buy the store and re-open it 5pm - 10pm weekdays, plus Saturday and Sunday. THAT is when people need the store open!

    8. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No Radio Shack did adapt, but they did so when the first mover advantage was long gone. They were the very definition of a market follower, but doing so when whatever they were following was no longer trendy. There were plenty of other stores that didn't move away from being hobbyist and still remained profitable before the maker movement picked up.

    9. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by Megane · · Score: 1

      Someone pointed out about how they moved away from being a hobbyist shop to an overpriced electronics shop and never moved back into the hobbyist market when the hobbyist market picked back up.

      They did try, but they took so long to react that by the time they caught up with them newfangled ardoo-weenie things (they were still selling Basic Stamp sets until a few years ago!) the hobbyist market had already moved on to newer stuff. They were just too slow at rotating out older merchandise. Perhaps it was all those years when the parts drawer was still "good enough" that got management complacent about how long they could sell the same things, but they seriously overstocked on stuff that was stale almost immediately to anyone who kept up with the latest thing.

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    10. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      They should be the place where you can buy Drones, 3D Printers, and Raspberry Pis and.. have classes where they can bring in outsiders to experiment with the products or troubleshoot what they need to do.

      Let's pretend this is a viable market for a moment - one that can bring in a million dollars of net revenue per store per year, minimum (so it can be staffed 18x7 by at least six people with full bennies, pay the rent, business loans, franchise fees, be a worthwhile investment, etc..). Where's Radio Shack's marketplace competition?

      Yeah.

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    11. Re:Radio Shack failed because they didn't adapt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys are all blaming them and their bad decisions, but these are only a part of the story. Radio Shack stopped being a hobbyist store partly because hobbyists changed. Radio Shack sold small stuff in low volumes - the very sort of stuff that's easy to mail. I remember my amazement about seven years ago that ordering all that stuff directly from China was not only possible but cheap, and the selection was huge. I immediately ordered a huge assortment of various audio adapters and jacks, heat shrink tubing of various diameters and colors, breadboards, relays, LEDs, etc.. The whole lot was cheap and I was really thrilled when it arrived. I never looked back. Radio Shack couldn't be a hobbyist store anymore when so many hobbyists do what I do.

  16. Sure, RS dug their own grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But when I was a wee physicist working on the space shuttle program back in the mid-90's (Jesus, has it been that long?), I had designed a control system to point a 24" mirror at the space shuttle for exhaust luminance measurements. About an hour before one launch I was tweaking pots in the box to zero out gimbal drift (the trailer I was in had a 250' power cord, and my local grounds drifted all over the place) - naturally couldn't find my pot tool so I used an ordinary screwdriver - and it slipped and shorted the power rail to a CCA inside. The display goes dark, the mirror won't move - I've got nothing. RS was AFAIK the only place to get electronic components. Went out, bought a bag of parts - relays, resistors, caps - they had it all. Cobbled a bypass for the roasted CCA and got it all working at T-3 minutes.

    Sure, they dug their own grave, but they saved my bacon back then, and for that I will always think fondly of them.

    Oh, and my first complete program was Space Invaders on a TRS-80.

  17. I think its because people have become lazy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was young back in the 80's the most frequent reason we went to Radio Shack was to buy solder, wire switches, resistors, etc....And that's because whenever something electronic broke (such as a TV, radio, tape player, RC car, etc...), we didn't just throw I out and buy a new one. We learned to diagnose and repair the problem, fixed it, and continue using the product. We almost never bought any brand new products there. I think slowly people have just become less willing to make the effort to learn to diagnose and fix anything electronic, so that's why they're dead. Godbless America.

  18. The Onion called it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://www.theonion.com/article/even-ceo-cant-figure-out-how-radioshack-still-in-b-2190

  19. Frankly, They Inflicted Their Own Wounds by CAOgdin · · Score: 1

    For the past 30 years, I've watched RS descend in to the worst quality goods on the market. They bought into the idea that "low price" was key, and they always had the cheapest, shoddy products, getting worse and worse every year, until I finally gave up on them. Nobody would bother with them, when there are national chains (mostly wholesalers) with high-quality products and fair prices. Even ALLIED has had better quality, and a broader range of merchandise.

    Radio Shack took their customers for granted, and their entrant into the laptop computer market with their TRS-80, affectionately (and accurately) called the "Trash-80" with typical of their lack of attention to customer interests.

    So, low price (and low-quality, necessary to get those low prices) was their sole game, and management was incapable of figuring out they were on the path toward self-destruction.

    Good riddance. The place always felt like it was full of "bad product" cooties to me!

  20. Battery Club 4 life! by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once they removed the TV tube testers, they were dead to me.

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    1. Re:Battery Club 4 life! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, are you saying their business strategy of selling mainstream products at an enormous markup is analogous to refusing to embrace new technological progress?

      Last time I checked there was plenty of new hobbyist tech NOT being sold at RadioSmack.

    2. Re:Battery Club 4 life! by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      No shit. Think of all the things they could have been selling instead. FPGA boards, Arduinos, Raspberry Pis, build your own drone kits, build your own 3D printer kits. You name it.

    3. Re:Battery Club 4 life! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, they sold Arduinos. I even bought one there. Rather annoyingly it cost more than if I'd bought it on their website.

      I do think it made sense for them to sell cell phones, after all, cell phones are just very sophisticated radios.

    4. Re:Battery Club 4 life! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just before they filed for bankruptcy the first time they ran that superbowl commercial 'The 80's called, they want their store back' I was hoping that meant a direction back to what they were in the 80s.

      They could have pushed towards being maker spaces of a sort, that would have fit in with what people knew them for, they would have possibly found a niche that was fairly unique in many places. Instead they went the other direction decided to compete with the cellular carriers and the internet to sell cell phones, and I guess with Best Buy for the most overpriced HDMI cables.

  21. I still have a few of their old catalogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Used to pour over them as a kid in the 70s.

  22. Fizzling out dreams of the Maker movement? by hackel · · Score: 1

    Pretty sure this is nonsense. If the "Marker movement" was cared, Radio Shack would still have a revenue stream. They, just like everyone else, order most of their parts online. Particularly hard-to-source electronic components of the type Radio Shack excelled at providing, are even easier to source online.

    What is sad about this is the existence of more Sprint stores. Mobile carrier stores are pointless and just take up space. I want them all to shut down, and for these companies to give the money they currently waste on these physical presences back to me with lower rates.

  23. Fizzling the dreams of the Maker movement? by enjar · · Score: 2
    People I know who are into the Maker electronics scene buy from Amazon, Sparkfun, etc. We have a local place that's independently owned that does good business. The staff are well trained and they aren't trying to push overpriced batteries and on phones.

    For R/C cars, planes, drones the selection online is far better than any one store could ever provide.

    If I need a cable I go to Monoprice or Amazon. It seems any physical entity charges highway robbery for the most mundane of cables. I can buy what I need plus backups/extras for the same price as any brick and mortar store.

    For computer stuff we have a Micro Center near us, every time I visit the place is busy. They stock everything needed to build a PC if you want to buy local, or you can walk out with a complete system. Sales people at Micro Center generally know what's going on, or will summon someone who does if it's not their department.

    The cell phone stores are pretty ubiquitous and can provide more in depth service, although I've gotten my two last phones from one of the online resellers. My MVNO is happy to point me at the reseller and tells me exactly which one to buy. Phone shows up at my house and I activate it with a few mouse clicks.

    A/V equipment is really well covered online. I've bought from NewEgg, Amazon and Crutchfield over the years. Crutchfield by far stands out as the best car stereo buying experience out there. I replaced a head unit and they also put in all the "extras" needed to put the thing in my car, and the included instructions were clearly written and easy to understand. For other stuff like TVs, receivers, blu-ray, consoles the prices are pretty much the same and shipping is quick.

    Batteries can be found anywhere from the local BJ's/Costco to online at the usual suspects, for a decent price and in just about whatever quantity you might like.

    I don't see what Radio Shack could do that could keep up with the better options available out there, plus their staff was generally poorly trained / unresponsive and the stores didn't stock anything useful. I went in looking for basic stuff on more than one occasion but walked out empty handed because the price was ridiculous or it wasn't in the store, or both. It's no wonder they were circling the drain for so long. There's probably even a net gain in the size of the market they were serving, and more jobs for the market, too.

    1. Re:Fizzling the dreams of the Maker movement? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      Even when they did start having arduino and similar stuff in stock, it was a joke cause they would have them in store for 10+ dollars more than online ... like gee let me think here a second

      I could have this in a day or two free shipping for cheaper, or I could drive a half hour to radio shack, pay almost 25% more, get taxed, wait for the 1 guy in the store to deal with the 7 people who cant figure out their cellphone before they can check you out, get interrogated with a battery upsale, then drive a half hour back

  24. RadioShack Is Selling Itself to People? by Tempest_2084 · · Score: 1

    I thought prostitution was illegal?

  25. fizzling out dreams of the Maker movement by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    Huh? I can buy anything on ebay for far less money than RS and have it delivered to my door. Arduino boards on ebay cost less than resistors at RS. Any sensor is about $1 except the exotic lightning detector at $30.

    1. Re: fizzling out dreams of the Maker movement by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Yeah but you have to wait.

      For a lot of people trying to save $15 simply isn't worth it if it's a question of working on your hobby today or in 3 weeks from now.

      Radio Shack still went down the tubes though. RS on the other hand offer free next day delivery during the week, but are more expensive, though much more reliable than ebay.

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  26. RadioShack should have become Monoprice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like Sears should have become Amazon. It's easy to say in hindsight, but they were right there and just had to make the jump.

  27. Sears also sells shit people want by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I mean they have serious issues, including some really incompetent sales staff, but the store is full of shit people buy. Appliances, TVs, clothes, tools, etc. So people do shop there, they do make money, just not as much as they should. It's also a kind of store that is relevant today. You can see similarities to Sears in Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Best Buy and so on. Now they aren't all once-to-one the same and clearly some of the other retailers are doing it much better, but the idea of a large store where you buy many kinds of things is one people like and shop at.

    Radioshack though, they stopped selling pretty much anything useful. They became more or less a second rate cellphone store. Nobody was interested in that since it turns out your cellphone provider has their own stores (no matter which one it is) not to mention all the other big box stores with cellphones in them. They were just never able to figure out what to become after DIY electronics became less of a thing.

  28. Me too by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    It became useless long before the Internet became a huge thing. Their selection became worse and worse, their prices got stupid, and their customer service was crap.

    While Internet businesses certainly have hurt traditional retailers, it isn't like it has been a death knell. Walmart, Target, Home Depot, etc all seem to be able to be consistently profitable. I could get everything I get from Target on Amazon, but Target is convenient, economical, and a good shopping experience so I buy from whichever suits me for a given thing.

    Radioshack would have died without Amazon, they have far too many other stores offering competition.

  29. Re:WHO IS SETH RICH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck off russian troll

  30. I was one of the last true Radio Shack Employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in college ('97,'98) Radio Shack was still holding on to it's true roots and was an awesome place to have a part time job. Your pay, while commission based, required that you pass a series of tests, and these tests were no joke. You had to understand circuits, voltage, amperage, why you can't sell anyone a business band radio etc etc. Radio Shack had never been about the money. It was about selling people things they didn't need, it was about helping them solve their problems.

    When the new CEO took over he began to focus on short term profit like Long Distance service, Cell Phones, Satellite, and things like that. Then came "You must ask everyone for their name and address" and about their Long Distance Provider, and what cell phone they had. I shit you not, they even called it "Helping your customers".

    The district and regional managers were slowly replaced by disgusting individuals who cared nothing about integrity and focused on profit. Our Manager Wayne Edwards was probably one of the most honest people I've ever known. What comes deeply disturbed him and it bothered me to watch him go through it.

    I'll always remember the day Thomas Montegue (District of Cary, NC) came to our store and told us how he could easily beat us in sales and bet us $100. I interrupted him and said I'll take that bet where you do your sales thing, and I'll do mine. At the end of the day I told more than $1000 more than him and never sold a phone, never asked a single individual for more than necessary info (some things you had to give your info). This is where the real poison showed. He turned things and went "Well I made more money for Radio Shack. You focused on making money for you". I was a bit surprised by this considering I didn't work there to "make bank", I worked there because I enjoyed helping people solve problems.

    Soon after, the test requirements were scrapped and Radio Shack starting hiring anyone they could "to meet growth needs". I'm talking the people who didn't know (or care) about the difference between a digital cable (hdmi) and analog.

    During the summer of 2000 I was the top ranked salesman in our district 7 weeks in a row. I worked 5 hours a week, on Sundays but had developed such a relationship with certain customers (NC State professors, electronic hobbiests, etc) that they would leave orders for me to put in for them. Keep in mind this was before online purchasing really took off. Thomas contacts our store and says any online order over X dollars is no longer considered for commission and is a higher level sale. Doesn't make a lot of sense does it? Corporate was taking large order profits for themselves and cutting us out.

    Needless to say this didn't sit well with those customers and they stopped doing business with us completely. They used us not because we were the cheapest, but because we knew where to order quality parts from and how to handle problems that arose to meet their needs.

    The last straw for me was the increased "trainings" at the district office where Thomas would put in a VHS video from the last 70's early 80's to teach us how to better sell modern technology. I'm not kidding, we're talking the whole leisure suit mustache combo and everything. The guy would say "You'll probably only see that customer once in your career. Sell them everything you think they need and everything they don't! That's how to be a winner". It was embarrassing.

    I placed my head on the table and was immediately called out by Thomas. I can't remember what he said exactly but it was something like "So Mr , is this training making you tired? Do you think you know everything there is to sales?" my response definitely ended my career. "Definitely not. But I beat your sales challenge, and everyone else for 7 weeks until you changed the rules." There was a lot of laughter.

    I was terminated a week later for failing to ask every customer for their Name and Address supposedly due to a "hired test customer" during the week. It was funny because I only worked on Sundays and hadn

  31. Same here by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    My car battery died one morning so I got a ride up to Sears because it was the closest and on the same side of the highway. I stood around the automotive counter for a while with another customer. This section was roped off from the rest of the store (it had its own entrance) so they didn't want people coming in? Anyhow I told the other customer I was going to Pep Boys and he said "good idea" and I left. This Sears is currently closed.

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  32. Happy Days by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

    In England, I used to browse Radio Shack in office lunch breaks. Just seeing their components would suggest projects (including many I never finished). They couldn't survive on that volume, but now we have 'Maplin' instead, which has done everything that was needed (even though smaller components are 'downstairs). Don't know their financials, but it's a great resource when you're stuck - and includes knowledgeable staff.

    1. Re:Happy Days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are Maplin any good now? Back in the 80s, you could buy a huge range of semiconductors and other components from them (and the catalogue even had full data for quite a few). Last time I visited my local one it had degenerated to a seller of cheap electronic toys and hardly any "real" components. It seemed to me their management had also followed the Tandy/RadioShack approach.

  33. Very disappointing by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

    I had heard, last year, about efforts to take what little of RadioShack was left, and try to craft it into something resembling its old self (in so far as being focused on the electronics hobbyist, providing reasonably priced components, kits, and tools again). Looks like that isn't happening... bummer, as that would have been so cool to see rise again.

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  34. Folks just don't get it. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    Radio Shack should have been the convenience-store of electronics. It should have had later hours, opening say noon and closing at 9pm, such that geeks that were working on their hobby projects could have somewhere to go to get those capacitors or relays that they needed when they either ran-short or were in a pinch to complete it.

    In a world where those odd parts were anything but just barely profitable (they were mostly loss leaders), such a move might have made sense. Especially if there were around a thousand times more such geeks in the general population than in our world.
     

    Radio Shack could have arguably charged ten times what the components were worth if they were readily available and purchasable in small quantities, people in a hurry are willing to pay the extra markup to have it now.

    Had they done that, they still would have gone broke.
     
    Folks, Radio Shack started moving away from being a purveyor of parts, adding high end audio, back in the 1930's because there wasn't enough money in parts. They started shifting to consumer grade gear back in the 1950's because there wasn't enough money in parts+high end audio gear. There's simply not enough geeks to make retailing parts a viable concern. Never has been, never will be.

    1. Re:Folks just don't get it. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      High end audio...1930s...what? Have you ever even tuned a radio from the 1930s?

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    2. Re:Folks just don't get it. by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      I was just talking to my great uncle about this. He was a teenager in the 30s. There were audiophiles back then, they would buy fancy needles for phonographs, high end tubes for their radios, upgrade speaker cones, that kind of stuff. You could drop 10x the price of an entry level piece of gear. I'll bet this phenomenon predates electricity - gold pressed oboe reeds provide more fidelity!

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  35. Batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. One of my EE professors -- and this was still back in the early 90s! -- used to love making fun of their slogan.

    Radio Shack: "You have questions? We have batteries."

  36. RS would have a percentage of my paychecks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they sold Raspberry Pis and equipment

  37. Fsck twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what RadioShack posted earlier this month.

    Twitter has a stupid character limit, everything is abbreviated and unreadable, and yet you still can't be bothered to quote them? The link to the "status" is probably longer than the text of it. Why should I have to go to twitter's stupid ass useless website just to see what they said? Why can'y you just quote it?

    This is why the web is broken. Fuck twitter.

  38. Re:Digikey kicks their butt - crytal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once they started putting the 6.5536mhz crystal behind the counter and wanted every piece of information on you to sell you one is when they lost me!

  39. It didn't help by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but America losing it's manufacturing base probably hit them just as hard. Nobody's encouraging kids to go into EE anymore because there's no jobs to speak of (out side of the top end design work, which just doesn't employ that many). I'm not gonna buy my kid a bunch of electronics to learn for a career that finished going overseas in the 90s.

    Their other problem is convergence. Used to be you'd have a stereo that did Records, Tapes maybe even 8 track and if you were rich CD. You'd have phones in every room of your house, a computer with extra wiring for your second phone line and a camcorder and a CB in your car. All that's just a phone and maybe a cheap receiver with bluetooth for the phone to connect to.

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  40. I don't think there's enough of those geeks by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    to support a nationwide store. Those geeks are going to buy online for a fraction of the cost. There occasional geek that needs an extra capacitor isn't going to support a large chain...

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  41. Times have changed.... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Times have changed.... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I can remember everyone using the counting rhyme "Eenie, meenie, miney, mo..." at age 5 with the original racist line left in it, and nobody batted an eye.

  42. Was just at a Shack by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    I just the other day went to the RadioShack here in Yuma. I bought lots of cables and adaptors and miscellaneous crap they had left at 90% off. I got USB cables, HDMI cables and adaptors for nearly everything I've ever used, for pennies on the dollar. It made me sad because I've grown up shopping at the Shack for all kinds of electronic components since I was in grade school. Heck I even bought several LED light fixtures from display cases for my garage and man cave are and spent less than $50 for what I would value is several hundred dollars worth of stuff. RIP RadioShack.

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  43. Yours actually sold the crystal in the store??? by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    You had to special order it from the one in my town, and rumor had it that they turned your info over to the phone company if you ordered it at the same time you bought their tone dialer.

    I just ordered the crystals from Jameco or Digikey. :)

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  44. Re:I was one of the last true Radio Shack Employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good story. I was poor, 20, a EE student at NC State in 94. Applied at that particular Cary Radio Shack. Even had spent 3 years in retail in HS. They didn't bother to call me back.

  45. Re:WHO IS SETH RICH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bwahaha, conspiracy nutjob delusions are so funny.

  46. Re:I was one of the last true Radio Shack Employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee whiz - everyone agrees that Radio shack management was off target.

    What it recently missed was selling iPhone DIY repair kits when that was the rage .

    Before that, in India and Thailand, they had manuals how to fix your expensive flat screen TV that just failed, Consumer level service manuals.

    Right now Apple and others are fighting ' right to repair' laws, third line forcing, and anything to extend durability. THAT is the market.

    They also missed technology lessons, and selling software beyond pick it of the shelf level. Sad as I are to see them go, when Amazon gets its voice Siri working, new heat will be applied to Frys and the like. it all adds up to brand names loosing their premiums.

  47. DING DING we have a winner... by gosand · · Score: 1

    Lots of people have chimed in on this, but I will add something else.

    If you can get what Radio Shack sells in their stores for cheaper online (duh) then why were their prices so outrageously expensive?
    I am willing to pay more for the convenience, or for things that I need physical access to review (e.g. shoes), but their prices were absolutely ridiculous.

    As many people, I used to go there quite a bit in my youth. As I got older I moved a few times, and they weren't always where I lived. About 4 years ago I moved again, and there was one very close to my house. I was looking for a toggle switch, and after looking at a few other stores I tried them. They didn't have the specific one I wanted, but their prices were double what they should have been. I was kind of floored. No, I don't want a $13 toggle, thanks. I know there are high-quality switches out there that cost a bit, but these weren't them. It was sad. The store was sad. There were very few actual components, mostly just electronics, headphones, phones, tablets. It's like Best Buy's weird little cousin.

    To me Radio Shack is kind of like ACE hardware. I remember them as being the place to go for certain things, and I could always find something else to buy as well. ACE always had any nuts/bolts/etc. They had everything you needed, and some you didn't. Sure, there are sites like McMaster Carr and Fastenal but being able to get what you need when you need it is a great thing. I also still like the idea of a local store. That's why one of my favorite places these days is Rural King. They still have free popcorn from a machine, free coffee, and quite a good selection of nuts/bolts/hardware.

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  48. Fake news by sjbe · · Score: 1

    but America losing it's manufacturing base probably hit them just as hard.

    Several problems with that statement.

    1) America hasn't lost its manufacturing base. That is a myth unsupported by facts. American manufacturing is alive and well and produces over $3 TRILLION in goods annually. The manufacturing that has left is labor intensiveNobody's encouraging kids to go into EE anymore because there's no jobs to speak of (out side of the top end design work, which just doesn't employ that many). I'm not gonna buy my kid a bunch of electronics to learn for a career that finished going overseas in the 90s.

    False. My day job is to run a manufacturing company that makes wire harnesses. Your prediction of the death of electronics could not be less true. I deal with this stuff on a daily basis. The auto industry is hiring all the electrical people they can get as we electrify cars. A typical car has many miles of wires and more electronics than any other device most of us use on a daily basis.

  49. Many factors... by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    The sale of small parts declined when electronics moved to robotic assembly and surface mount parts. Modern circuit boards are too densely packed to be easily repaired; for the most part even the companies don't try, they just throw them away. (Expensive boards like computer motherboards do get repaired, but they ship them to China to do it so the work can be done with inexpensive labor.) And it takes specialized tools and quality magnifiers to be able to work on them at all, so the cost of entry is non-trivial. The amount of time that a repair would take means that a small independent shop really can't make a living at fixing boards; they can swap main assemblies for new ones, fix connections between boards, and replace a few large parts like connectors, and that's about it.

    The same trends pretty much killed kits. To put together a non-trivial kit using surface mount parts you have to do a lot of work to package it appropriately, because some of the parts have no markings at all, so they cannot be identified without testing once you have removed them from their spool. (Ceramic capacitors are a prime offender.) And after you have gone to all that trouble, your market is limited because most electronic hobbyists aren't interested in building a surface mount kit. It is becoming increasingly difficult to design a kit that uses old fashioned through-hole parts; many components now cost far more in that form, are no longer available, or were never made in through-hole versions at all. Small kit companies still exist to sell to electronic hobbyists and amateur radio operators, but it's because those people like to build things and will buy kits even if they don't save any money.

    Fighting against those trends meant that Radio Shack's business of selling components would have declined no matter what they did. But they worsened the problem by their own actions. They hired the wrong people for that business, gave them the wrong training, and offered the wrong pay structure. This is all assuming that the company actually wanted to sell any parts rather than merely keep them around as a vestige of their old days.

    The pay structure matters because the salaries of the people on the Radio Shack were poor; the only way to make any money at the job was on sales commissions, and those were only significant for the large ticket items. (In the last few years that has mostly meant phones; farther back it would have also included things like CB radios and stereo components.) Sales people don't want to spend any time helping you find parts because there is nothing in it for them, and it takes them away from possibly serving a customer who might buy something that they will earn some commissions on. Getting a reputation in the store for being knowledgeable about the parts could be counterproductive; the other salespeople would then foist all those customers onto you while they served the more lucrative phone buyers.

    If Radio Shack had wanted to have people on the floor who actually had a clue about electronics and electronic parts, they would have had to pay them more. And it probably would have helped to take the further step of eliminating commissions and simply giving people a good salary. Commissions have lots of problems, including the perverse incentives that I mentioned above, and the fact that they make the salespeople enemies of each other rather than allies. But I think the core problem is that they make the self interest of the salesperson be directly opposed to the self interest of the customer. The sales person wants to just sell you as much crap as possible as quickly as possible because that maximizes their commission. Given the lousy pay, they're probably not planning to stay in the job long enough to care about repeat business.

    Putting the parts in drawers didn't help. It made the parts business less visible. It made it difficult for hobbyists to browse the parts and perhaps find something they wanted it to buy, making it something that was only useful if you were looking for a specific thing.

  50. History of bad decisions... by MercTech · · Score: 1

    In 1983; Tandy Corporation (Radio Shack was the retail outlet) had an 80% market share in desktop business computers and a 70% market share in home hobbyist computers. By 1990; they didn't make a computer.
        What happened was one huge decision. In 1984; IBM offered the IBM-PC running a new operating system that was a rebranded Q-DOS called PC-DOS 1.0 sold by a new startup called Microsoft. The big boys at IBM actually effec up royally and releases a computer that overheated due to the huge chip count on the boards and an OS that might, if you were lucky, run for 15 minutes without crashing. But, no one ever got fired for recommending buying IBM. A mediocre OS became the standard overnight despite being a marginally performing system. What did Tandy Computers, Inc. do... canceled the TRS-280 project which would have given us a PC-AT five years early and decided to quite using their own design and try to make IBM clones. After a few years; they sold Tandy computer division to Asus.
            Along with the decision to make IBM clones the decision was made to quite having other electronics built to in-house design and handle "name brands" putting themselves in direct competition woth K-mart, Sears, and Wal-Mart. And the hobby market was to be de-emphasized and not stocked in stores but available by special order.

        Ignore and reject your original core market, quit manufacturing and become just another retailer, get rid of anything like knowledgeable customer service that would justify the higher cost of the business model...... if you are big enough and have actually profitable subsidiaries; it can take decades to kill your business. The Radio Shack franchise is finito. Another factor is the demise of thin film recording tape. For many decades there were only two manufacturers in the world for the actual recording tape media; BASF in Germany and Tandy in the U.S. Anyway, the Radio Shack I spent so many hours in back in the 1960s and 1970s getting pieces parts to teach myself electronics died in the 1980s. The terminal throes lasted until this decade.

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  51. Time marches onward... by iq145 · · Score: 1

    Well, it's just like email is destroying the U.S. Post Office :-) and because of cellphones, we don't see payphones on the streets anymore. Time marches on... Who needs one-hour photos, when you can have as-soon-as-you-press-the-button photos? These things happen, but hey, there are some entire store chains that have disappeared: http://www.newser.com/story/18... http://www.newser.com/story/20... http://www.newser.com/story/24...

  52. I didn't last long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what she said!
    Your employer makes money be selling phones...so you didn't sell enough phones. Sounds like you weren't doing your job and just "clerking" some low-value parts. Besides, I am sure you worthless advice wasn't missed long at your store.

    1. Re:I didn't last long... by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I had customers who followed me when I transferred to a new store (3 transfers at my own request because I moved), precisely for my "worthless" advice. Just because I had no problem putting parts in people's hands when that's what they were asking for, don't assume I didn't sell the bigger tickets as well; I was the only person in my district to sell the RCA 36" 4:3 HD monstrosity they sold back in the early 2000's before it was discontinued and clearance-priced. A lot of the advice I gave was on speaker placement (after I sold the speakers or, more likely, the entire hi-fi system or home theater) -- remember, setting up a sound system is a project, too. That was my job; at least, that's what their training and the monthly district meetings said my job was.

      Oddly, for someone who didn't sell enough phones, I quite regularly won monthly district phone sales contests. I also routinely (by which I mean literally every month I worked for the company, starting at day one) had double the sales of the next best salesperson in my store; quite often, I outsold the rest of the store in aggregate. I wasn't just putting 49 cent resistors in peoples' hands and showing them the door, I was moving product.

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  53. you are a legend in your own mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. I'm sure you were the Pied Piper of Radio Shack, with an unbroken line of customers following you to your next Radio Shack venue.
    Sounds like the typical Radio Shack salesperson with delusions of grandeur. So, assuming you have moved on from the Shack, what lame profession are you currently pursuing? I am guessing either a Sprint salesperson or a self-proclaimed "senior web developer" of a one-person company. Perhaps, given your skills, you are working for a laxative company so you can keep "moving product" out the door.

    1. Re:you are a legend in your own mind by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I'm clearing a 7 figure salary now, thanks. You don't need to know how.

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  54. sure...in your own mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, how many of those figures are to the right of the decimal point?

    1. Re:sure...in your own mind by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, all seven of them. Is that so surprising?

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    2. Re:sure...in your own mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, Frank, that is completely surprising. How hard is it to do a credit check on someone? Not very hard. I am surprised you can afford the apartment you live in.

    3. Re:sure...in your own mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, his name is Keith and he does live in an apartment in CA. Also, the D&B listing on his tiny, two-person company does not corroborate the 7-figure salary. Of course, he may have moved on to somewhat greater things or he is doing something illegal. Next stop is Experian. Should be good for a laugh.

    4. Re:sure...in your own mind by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      D&B doesn't have correct information about my work. I refuse to pay their extortion fees to correct their files; that's their job and they can pay me to do it for them or they can do it themselves. The only thing you got right is that I live in an apartment.

      I can't believe you actually spent money looking me up, though. Planning on paying me a visit? That might not be wise.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.