One thing they did right is actually rewarding teamwork, and rewarding being nice to other people.
So its not a game for nerds? I hate having to be with other people or work with them - thats a big reason I'm not playing these games. I thought you could be a lone explorer?
The only hold that shrink-wrap or click-through licenses have at all is because customers read them.
Except that is nonsense. I've never met anyone who reads them (myself included), and if you count people who make themselves heard on the net, 99% of all customers DO NOT read them. (I've also only ever seen them in english, and many people are not comfortable reading english, and certainly not legalise) As someone who has tried to made user interfaces I can tell you that nobody reads anything on the screen onless they have some specific notion that its vitally important to them, that's why they just click all over the place (which is also why so many suspect porn plugins load in browsers all over the place). I'd bet most people just click on the button that leads to an install under the assumption that these kind of things aren't valid anyway. Infact this is certainly the prevaling notion here in Scandinavia, that the law essentially says that both parties are bound the the law of the land, not some stuff written in this. (What people believe may of course not be what is actually the law)
Courts have not (so far) cared that customers skim or skip the license agreement; they have said that since the customer makes a particular action (opening the sealed package with EULA printed outside, or clicking "I agree" beneath the EULA text box), the customer agrees to the license
Which is of course also nonsense - that people agree to it - but evidently the courts do care (or understand) how it really works. (I read your other links)
These users need to wake up to the fact that bandwidth costs money, it is by no means free.
I don't believe it needs to be that expensive. I think they are charging waaaaaaay more than is decent or required to run and maintain the system - and by them i don't just mean this ISP but all the backbones and large upstream providers. Of course I can be convinced otherwise by proof (not opinion)
However what I will do, and I'm sure that a majority of people will too: is to hold off buying it until they have released the Super Special Extended Amazing Edition of whatever movie it is.
If the 'normal' movie doesn't sell well, they think there isn't a market and won't bring out a Super Special Extended Amazing Edition.
In reality, the shuttle is pretty much the exact opposite, with the most absurdly expensive hi-tech components possible,
No thats the way it was. Then everybody bithced about how expensive it was and what a waste of money it was. Then they started doing the lowest bidder thing. Pay attention.
As potentially unpatriotic as it is to say, it makes me glad to know that the hope, energy and imagination of the billion people in China are there to step up, if we turn our backs on this important step in Humanity's future. It matters far more to me that we do this as a species then we do it as a nation. I hate the thought of what losing this would be a sign of for us as a country, though.
I hope nobody finds it tasteless, when i remember Joss Whedons "Firefly" - In that future the Chineese have colonized most of space and influenced everybody with their language and traditions. Perhaps that was actually kinda prophetic.
It's hardly support, they list what the believe to be true. Though the bit about security did change something: It was the Apple quicktime plugin which that tried to load and show the PNG, but because of my security settings being too high, it didn't load. By lowering them it does load (eventually) and show it. If i tell it not to load, MSIE just tries to save the PNG as it does with files it don't know about.
>>Even if they copy everything off of your hard drive and send it to their own servers, according to most Slashdotters, that is only copyright infringement (not theft), provided they don't delete anything.
Then those Slashdotters would be wrong.
No - you are, if you claim its theft.
Federal law prohibits unauthorized access to a computer.
'm glad to hear that you feel that way. I'll be making arrangments with your payroll department to get a certain amount deducted from your pay and sent to my bank account every month. Don't worry, it won't be a large amount, only $15 (about the price of a CD). I'm sure your payroll officer will agree because it is not theft since you will never see the money on your paycheck in the first place.
If your argument (such as it is), is that they are loosing money because the kid who downloads a song MIGHT have bought it one day - the argument works the other way around as well, he an say "We'll, I may still buy it"
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No one has ever said that communication is the strongest skill that a geek ever had.
But then I submit that acting is about emoting, not communication - and i have emotions to spare...
What about if you install on XP when you are logged on as a user not an admin? Doesn't XP forbid lowlevel disc acess?
:)
At least it did when I used one
So that we can guard against this in the future?
... I wonder how the ping times are like?
... is that because of space restrictions, the toilet is in the valley!
One thing they did right is actually rewarding teamwork, and rewarding being nice to other people.
So its not a game for nerds? I hate having to be with other people or work with them - thats a big reason I'm not playing these games. I thought you could be a lone explorer?
$14 sounds expensive
It is expensive.
When do they make a free game sponsored by someone - "You must go on a quest to find the holy Coca Cola Vending machine in the desserts of Microsoft"
The only hold that shrink-wrap or click-through licenses have at all is because customers read them.
Except that is nonsense. I've never met anyone who reads them (myself included), and if you count people who make themselves heard on the net, 99% of all customers DO NOT read them. (I've also only ever seen them in english, and many people are not comfortable reading english, and certainly not legalise) As someone who has tried to made user interfaces I can tell you that nobody reads anything on the screen onless they have some specific notion that its vitally important to them, that's why they just click all over the place (which is also why so many suspect porn plugins load in browsers all over the place). I'd bet most people just click on the button that leads to an install under the assumption that these kind of things aren't valid anyway. Infact this is certainly the prevaling notion here in Scandinavia, that the law essentially says that both parties are bound the the law of the land, not some stuff written in this. (What people believe may of course not be what is actually the law)
Courts have not (so far) cared that customers skim or skip the license agreement; they have said that since the customer makes a particular action (opening the sealed package with EULA printed outside, or clicking "I agree" beneath the EULA text box), the customer agrees to the license
Which is of course also nonsense - that people agree to it - but evidently the courts do care (or understand) how it really works. (I read your other links)
These users need to wake up to the fact that bandwidth costs money, it is by no means free.
I don't believe it needs to be that expensive. I think they are charging waaaaaaay more than is decent or required to run and maintain the system - and by them i don't just mean this ISP but all the backbones and large upstream providers. Of course I can be convinced otherwise by proof (not opinion)
Just asking, since they always seem to think "oh, this book would make a good film, as long as we just change the story, the characters, and the plot"
>>and to avoid paying taxes
>Kind of ironic, considering how much we pay in taxes now...
You don't pay shit in taxes compared to Europe, so stop whining boy.
However what I will do, and I'm sure that a majority of people will too: is to hold off buying it until they have released the Super Special Extended Amazing Edition of whatever movie it is.
If the 'normal' movie doesn't sell well, they think there isn't a market and won't bring out a Super Special Extended Amazing Edition.
Except that.
At least in Europe there is a law that protects collections. Forinstance, if you downloaded all of download.com - the'd have a case.
Except Armageddon was fiction.
Not the relevant part.
In reality, the shuttle is pretty much the exact opposite, with the most absurdly expensive hi-tech components possible,
No thats the way it was. Then everybody bithced about how expensive it was and what a waste of money it was. Then they started doing the lowest bidder thing. Pay attention.
Help your fellow P2Pers, do it right, and get real files everyone wants.
As potentially unpatriotic as it is to say, it makes me glad to know that the hope, energy and imagination of the billion people in China are there to step up, if we turn our backs on this important step in Humanity's future. It matters far more to me that we do this as a species then we do it as a nation. I hate the thought of what losing this would be a sign of for us as a country, though.
I hope nobody finds it tasteless, when i remember Joss Whedons "Firefly" - In that future the Chineese have colonized most of space and influenced everybody with their language and traditions. Perhaps that was actually kinda prophetic.
How was it they put it in Armageddon, they are flying a craft where all components are from the lowest bidder? That gives you confidence....
>Install Mozilla? ;)
Use Gif?
>http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html
>Check here, scroll down for the MS support.
It's hardly support, they list what the believe to be true. Though the bit about security did change something: It was the Apple quicktime plugin which that tried to load and show the PNG, but because of my security settings being too high, it didn't load. By lowering them it does load (eventually) and show it. If i tell it not to load, MSIE just tries to save the PNG as it does with files it don't know about.
Oh well
God i hate PNG - it never shows up in MSIE - though i hear it should be able to do that, anybody know how?
"Xupiter" ? Like Jupiter but with an X? How do you pronounce X? "Ssst"? So it's "Stupiter"?
Then those Slashdotters would be wrong.
No - you are, if you claim its theft.
Federal law prohibits unauthorized access to a computer.
Which is something else. While its wrong to assume
...more like comm badges - still kinda nifty though, then you can be anywhere on the planet and still be interrupted all the time :)
'm glad to hear that you feel that way. I'll be making arrangments with your payroll department to get a certain amount deducted from your pay and sent to my bank account every month. Don't worry, it won't be a large amount, only $15 (about the price of a CD). I'm sure your payroll officer will agree because it is not theft since you will never see the money on your paycheck in the first place.
If your argument (such as it is), is that they are loosing money because the kid who downloads a song MIGHT have bought it one day - the argument works the other way around as well, he an say "We'll, I may still buy it"
For a real movie scoops
Screw the movie scoops - I want TV scoops!