"The Chevy Nova one is an urban legend. Straight from snopes.com Assuming that Spanish speakers would naturally see the word "nova" as equivalent to the phrase "no va" and think "Hey, this car doesn't go!" is akin to assuming that English speakers woud spurn a dinette set sold under the name Notable because nobody wants a dinette set that doesn't include a table"
So not an urban legend, just snopes assuming something about others.
No, I think anybody who wants to kill you should be allowed to.
"The problem is software is both a thing and an idea."
I fail to see a problem. There was no point for the court to forbid them selling this program if they allow everybody else. And it hasn't got a fuck with free speech.
"But now they have a lawsuit that says, 'Okay, releasing the source code you wrote or HELPING someone write a bot that breaks THE RULES is illegal'"
They can say what they like, it doesn't matter. They are asking the judge to say whether or not he agrees with them, when they are saying "You already said this is illegal, if they give it to others we'll have to drag them to court and come back here, costing us money and wasting your time since you have already said it was illegal, so how about a ban" - seems to make sense to me.
"Is that a 'bot'?"
The court would decide if there was a lawsuit.
"Then they can sue me and say that my source code could lead to people developing bots that are 'against their rules' and now my code is illegal?"
People can and do sue all the time, and quite a lot of the time the judges say they are full of shit and kick them out of court.
"Curiosity... can you justify your argument in any practical way? If a bot plays 10 hours while I'm at work, and a college kid on break plays 10 hours while I'm at work, we both wind up in the same place at the same time. Neither of us has an advantage."
Yes, you did. Because you didn't have the time to do it, so you are cheating. Otherwise he would have been a head of you.
"It's within their right to say "you can't use that code on our servers" - and they have a right to enforce that rule however they please (delete violating accounts or whatever). However, it's clearly not within their right to say "you can't use that code anywhere, or even have it, or even look at it.""
Which is why they didn't, but went to the judge and said "Look you have already said this program is illegal to use, so how about banning it? Or else we'll just have to come back here the next time someone uses it and waste our money and your time on something you have already found illegal"
Of course the court found that people do not have a contract, they pay for a license (ie, Blizard dictates all the term - your only input is to take it or leave it)
"the STUPID, the OVERLY MORONIC argument blizzard is using is that the program 'modifies the wow software running in THE MEMORY'. "
No it isn't. Its just some bullshit which retards (like you probably) have made up and which other stupid uneducated morons keep repeating over and over and over instead of actually finding out what the fuck was ruled in the court.
It has nothing to do with what is "in the memory". And the recent ruling didn't say anything about copying it to memory. But then why let the facts get in the way of hysterical ranting.
"The real problem is the fact that World of Warcraft (and every MMO released to date) is designed with such shoddy gameplay mechanics that people would rather have a computer play most of the game for them."
Except "People" is just a weasel word you cooked up because you don't have any facts but still feel you should be allowed to rant. "People" DO want to play it and they do. with 10 million subscribers, if you can sell your cheating stuff to 0.5% you can still earn money.
"Can't figure out how to make a game that's both fun and takes a long time to get tired of? Hire some actually talented game designers."
Which is just immature bullshit trolling. Easy to spew, far more difficult to put your money where your rant is - what you have you made? Living in the basement yet? Their product has millions of devoted subscribers and the money is pouring in.
"When I used to find myself spending too much time on any game, a truly reliable way to make me sick of it is to cheat--to get everything I want as fast as I want. End of all my interest in the game within a couple days to a week. (this is how I broke my original addictions to Diablo and Diablo years ago)"
Even that is a generalization, i know people who have been playing the same thing for ages with cheats enabled, because they get something out of it which is different than what you get out of it.
"Sure you think you want to be handed all these things you cheat for, but if that was really all you wanted, why not play single player? There are massive, undetectable cheats for that."
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"I don't know anyone who tries to say acronyms as words."
The whole point is the letters sound like words - like when kids say "u" instead of "you"
"That would sound like "Toyota em air deux", not "Toyota merde"."
No, not in french.
"Snopes.com debunks the Chevy Nova myth"
They state their opinion on the name, and claims good sales without proving it.
"The Chevy Nova one is an urban legend. Straight from snopes.com
Assuming that Spanish speakers would naturally see the word "nova" as equivalent to the phrase "no va" and think "Hey, this car doesn't go!" is akin to assuming that English speakers woud spurn a dinette set sold under the name Notable because nobody wants a dinette set that doesn't include a table"
So not an urban legend, just snopes assuming something about others.
Two words: no va
Or sometimes just bad labeling,
like Toyotas MR2 - try and pronounce that in French - m r deux - sounds like merde, meaning shit.
It's also not legal ;)
And if when your wife can look up your visit to a hooker that's ok too, eh? ;)
So if you don't think its pretty - you aren't a real nerd?
"You're ok with censorship?"
No, I think anybody who wants to kill you should be allowed to.
"The problem is software is both a thing and an idea."
I fail to see a problem. There was no point for the court to forbid them selling this program if they allow everybody else. And it hasn't got a fuck with free speech.
"But now they have a lawsuit that says, 'Okay, releasing the source code you wrote or HELPING someone write a bot that breaks THE RULES is illegal'"
They can say what they like, it doesn't matter. They are asking the judge to say whether or not he agrees with them, when they are saying "You already said this is illegal, if they give it to others we'll have to drag them to court and come back here, costing us money and wasting your time since you have already said it was illegal, so how about a ban" - seems to make sense to me.
"Is that a 'bot'?"
The court would decide if there was a lawsuit.
"Then they can sue me and say that my source code could lead to people developing bots that are 'against their rules' and now my code is illegal?"
People can and do sue all the time, and quite a lot of the time the judges say they are full of shit and kick them out of court.
Yeah, judges hear variations on that all the time "They didn't lock the car do, so obviously i didn't steal it when i drove away"
The judge looked at both the TOS and EULA.
And i should think that for most 'real' contracts there are negotiations where both sides give and take a bit.
"Curiosity... can you justify your argument in any practical way? If a bot plays 10 hours while I'm at work, and a college kid on break plays 10 hours while I'm at work, we both wind up in the same place at the same time. Neither of us has an advantage."
Yes, you did. Because you didn't have the time to do it, so you are cheating. Otherwise he would have been a head of
you.
Typical cheater rationalizing.
"It's within their right to say "you can't use that code on our servers" - and they have a right to enforce that rule however they please (delete violating accounts or whatever). However, it's clearly not within their right to say "you can't use that code anywhere, or even have it, or even look at it.""
Which is why they didn't, but went to the judge and said "Look you have already said this program is illegal to use, so how about banning it? Or else we'll just have to come back here the next time someone uses it and waste our money and your time on something you have already found illegal"
"Our rights are inalienable."
Our rights are that rulers can get away with.
"It's not what they did, it's how they did it. It's a damn shame that they chose to use the insane 'copyright on RAM contents' argument."
Except they didn't. So you can sleep safely now.
Of course the court found that people do not have a contract, they pay for a license (ie, Blizard dictates all the term - your only input is to take it or leave it)
"Care to show me how this software is illegal?"
Read the ruling of the court. The PDF is available from the site which is mentioned in story.
"It violates the TOS of another software product. That doesn't make the software illegal."
The court said the company could not sell the program since it would be breaking the law - most people would call that illegal.
"I could write in my TOS that you must not run it on Windows, does that make Windows illegal? I kinda doubt it."
If that is the level of your sophistication you probably shouldn't read the legal documents, probably too hard for you.
"The software was found not to violate any copyrights. "
Wrong, that's exactly what they found. Ordinary peoples understanding of copyright is very limited and in no way covers how the law views it.
"the STUPID, the OVERLY MORONIC argument blizzard is using is that the program 'modifies the wow software running in THE MEMORY'. "
No it isn't. Its just some bullshit which retards (like you probably) have made up and which other stupid uneducated morons keep repeating over and over and over instead of actually finding out what the fuck was ruled in the court.
It has nothing to do with what is "in the memory". And the recent ruling didn't say anything about copying it to memory. But then why let the facts get in the way of hysterical ranting.
"The real problem is the fact that World of Warcraft (and every MMO released to date) is designed with such shoddy gameplay mechanics that people would rather have a computer play most of the game for them."
Except "People" is just a weasel word you cooked up because you don't have any facts but still feel you should be allowed to rant. "People" DO want to play it and they do. with 10 million subscribers, if you can sell your cheating stuff to 0.5% you can still earn money.
"Can't figure out how to make a game that's both fun and takes a long time to get tired of? Hire some actually talented game designers."
Which is just immature bullshit trolling. Easy to spew, far more difficult to put your money where your rant is - what you have you made? Living in the basement yet? Their product has millions of devoted subscribers and the money is pouring in.
"When I used to find myself spending too much time on any game, a truly reliable way to make me sick of it is to cheat--to get everything I want as fast as I want. End of all my interest in the game within a couple days to a week. (this is how I broke my original addictions to Diablo and Diablo years ago)"
Even that is a generalization, i know people who have been playing the same thing for ages with cheats enabled, because they get something out of it which is different than what you get out of it.
"Sure you think you want to be handed all these things you cheat for, but if that was really all you wanted, why not play single player? There are massive, undetectable cheats for that."
No single player WoW !
"Give people what they want to play and you have no problem with bots. Simple as that. "
And impossible as that. Thanks for playing.
"B) Makes Blizzard look like bullies..again."
Not to many, most have seen it as sensible ting to remove a weapon from criminals.
"D) It's impact on the game, emotional views aside, isn't really that great."
Got proof? Or was that IMHO?
Their software doesn't allow cheating. But criminals have made programs which hack the software.