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Awesome Pics of CERN's Large Hadron Collider

mactard submitted a collection of insanely beautiful pictures of the Large Hadron Collider. I've always had a warm place for amazing photgraphs, and these really don't disappoint. Science really is beautiful sometimes.

249 comments

  1. 3rd photo by tgd · · Score: 5, Funny

    That 3rd photo looks an awful lot like a stargate.

    I'm assuming its a shot facing downwards, thus the pool of water or whatever that is, but it just looks cool.

    1. Re:3rd photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That was shot looking up, at the event horizon of a stable worm hole.

    2. Re:3rd photo by Gromius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're not the first person to think so. It is suspicious that no answer is actually given....

    3. Re:3rd photo by laejoh · · Score: 1, Funny

      It was a soundstage on Mars!

    4. Re:3rd photo by damnfuct · · Score: 1

      The photo titled "Insertion of the tracker in the heart of the CMS detector" looks like a prime opportunity for a photoshop

    5. Re:3rd photo by Atari400 · · Score: 1

      The 6th photo has a whole lot of black circles, I guess it's just too early to worry about black hol+++CARRIER DISCONNECT+++

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    6. Re:3rd photo by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Truth is stranger than fiction...

      Turns out, the government really did have a Stargate Project -- it was just about psychics, not aliens. And they didn't find any. Of either.

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    7. Re:3rd photo by kestasjk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While we're swooning over the LHC watch the Large Hadron Rap video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM (Don't worry, it's made by some of the people who work there and it's pretty funny, and sums it up nicely)

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    8. Re:3rd photo by ascendant · · Score: 1

      Stargate, I can see, but what I don't get are all the Half-Life references.
      I've played both of them and I don't see (or remember) what you guys are talking about.
      It seems more DOOM3 related to me- just not quite as dark.

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    9. Re:3rd photo by Ed_1024 · · Score: 1

      Most of the interior shots remind me of DOOM 3, only with the lights turned on.

      Must be spooky crawling around in there on your own...

    10. Re:3rd photo by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, the FIRST picture looks like the Flying Spaghetti Monster with it's clothes off.

      ... averts eyes ...

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    11. Re:3rd photo by Cley+Faye · · Score: 1

      Stargate, I can see, but what I don't get are all the Half-Life references.

      Some pics feels a little like Black Mesa, and they're doing similar stuff, so...
      And if this project open a gate, i'd rather have it point to Xen instead of Hell itself :p

    12. Re:3rd photo by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      to bad we don't have a ZPM.

    13. Re:3rd photo by initialE · · Score: 1

      That rap is amazing. 5 mins of your time and so many questions explained. And it's entertaining as well. I must say I am impressed mostly by the sheer political willpower it took to make this device. The expense and risk born and everything. Imagine that while this device was being built, a new model for physics came up that would render the entire LHC irrelevant. A lot of heads would roll for that, I can imagine. And of course the small chance that we could be engineering the end of the universe right here on earth...

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    14. Re:3rd photo by CMOSWizard · · Score: 1

      It's a plastic bag to keep the dirt out. Sorry to disappoint you!

    15. Re:3rd photo by xPsi · · Score: 1

      You're not the first person to think so. It is suspicious that no answer is actually given....

      I'm not so sure a question phrased like "...these rings that you are building look like the Stargate. What is to guarantee that you are not building a portal to other universes?" really has a succinct scientific answer other than "It won't. The fact that the detector geometry looks like the Stargate is a coincidence. However,...[insert detailed and extended discussion of LHC extra dimension searches]."

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    16. Re:3rd photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I could find a high res version of the third picture. It'd make a nice desktop background.

    17. Re:3rd photo by ToastyKen · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that link! That was awesome! :)

    18. Re:3rd photo by AndreR · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

    19. Re:3rd photo by kipman725 · · Score: 1

      kind of off topic but was anyone else impressed by how well researched star gate was in terms of background?

    20. Re:3rd photo by cgdiaz · · Score: 1

      If only I could mod the parent geeky. :)

    21. Re:3rd photo by frsmith · · Score: 1

      I can see the Event Horizon!!!!

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    22. Re:3rd photo by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a physicist I'm not well enough versed to comment on their historical research but their science background varied between 'ok' to total garbage. But so what? The show was/is great! What I find particularly fun is that they often poke fun at themselves by asking in show questions which pointed out the absurdities (and not just science ones). I think that is part of what made/makes it such a great show: they did not take themselves too seriously, but seriously enough that it does not dissolve into a farce.

    23. Re:3rd photo by lennier · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Turns out, the government really did have a Stargate Project [wikipedia.org] -- it was just about psychics, not aliens. And they didn't find any. Of either."

      Actually they did. You might want to read Mind-Reach, the 1977 original book about SCANATE, the SRI project that later became GRILL FLAME then was closed (at least officially) by the CIA under the name STAR GATE. Some of their 'hits' detailed in this book are pretty darn impressive.

      http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Reach-Scientists-Psychic-Abilities-Consciousness/dp/1571744142/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217800041&sr=8-1

      The tricky thing about remote viewing is not that it doesn't work, but that it's hard to separate the 'signal' from the 'noise'.

      And of course, the results are incompatible with assumptions made by some of our fundamental physical theories. Whatever information channel ESP uses, it does not appear to obey the inverse square law or respect light cones, so it's not EM-based. This makes it difficult to figure out how to maximise the effect, since we don't have a good mathematical model for how it works. Some scientists (or science-believing people, as opposed to active researchers) are uncomfortable with admitting this kind of uncertainty into their personal models of the universe. It's a lot easier to believe that we really do understand how the universe works than to realise that actually, we only understand parts of it and our working assumptions may need to be rethought.

      But when you get significant results that contradict theory, it's the theory that should change, if you're doing science.

      See also http://www.amazon.com/Extraordinary-Knowing-Science-Skepticism-Inexplicable/dp/0553382233/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217801555&sr=8-3

      and http://www.amazon.com/Extraordinary-Knowing-Science-Skepticism-Inexplicable/dp/0553382233/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217801555&sr=8-3

      for some very recent books detailing the experimental support for the reality of ESP.

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    24. Re:3rd photo by lennier · · Score: 1
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      You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
    25. Re:3rd photo by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of their 'hits' detailed in this book are pretty darn impressive.

      Care to relate any of them?

      The tricky thing about remote viewing is not that it doesn't work, but that it's hard to separate the 'signal' from the 'noise'.

      Which is, in essence, the definition of a cold reading.

      While I'm at it, check out Banachek.

      I'm not saying it's impossible, and I would agree with this:

      But when you get significant results that contradict theory, it's the theory that should change, if you're doing science.

      However, this being little more than a hobby, I don't really want to buy a book. If the results really are that compelling, there should be some web resource you can point me to.

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    26. Re:3rd photo by zobier · · Score: 1

      His noodliness does not wear clothes, unless you count sauce as clothes.

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  2. The first comment on the article is hilarious. by Xenex · · Score: 4, Funny

    "This thing is going to kill us all."

    1. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by Gromius · · Score: 5, Funny

      Look I've never understood what the LHC is going to kill us all thing. I'm a physicist working on the CMS experiment so perhaps I can explain what we are going to do more clearly. All we plan to do is take two proton beams or 'streams' and then cross them. Why is everybody so worried?

    2. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by MrShaggy · · Score: 1

      well done. That's a pretty odd reference. ;)

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    3. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by superash · · Score: 0

      YOU IDIOT! Haven't you heard about BLACK HOLE?! :)

    4. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by 3seas · · Score: 2, Funny

      "This thingis going to kill us all"

      Don't worry, be happy....... that if it does it will happen so fast that you won't know it.

      However become concerned if you live within 50 miles and the power in your home drops out around the time they turn it on.

    5. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by InlawBiker · · Score: 1

      Either that, or they'll start an irreversible resonance cascade, opening a portal into another universe.

    6. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really like comments #14 and #25 in that order :D

    7. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by hitmark · · Score: 1

      sounds like fun, hit the button already ;)

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    8. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Photo 9:
      If something goes wrong, these guys will save us all!

    9. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by Arguendo · · Score: 1

      "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." Strap yourselves in! Good luck everyone!

    10. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by FornaxChemica · · Score: 1

      Because it looks like a doomsday machine and science doesn't always know what its machines/experiments/discoveries are capable of, like Marie Curie who was unaware of the dangers of radioactivity which caused her death; experimenting means moving in the dark. Besides, this is meant to study black holes and the big bang if I understood correctly, two very powerful, unexplained natural phenomena. When you fiddle with the innermost secrets of nature, there's always a risk it goes out of hand.

      And three posts above you'll find a news item saying that science was actually wrong. How reliable it can be!

    11. Re:The first comment on the article is hilarious. by u38cg · · Score: 1

      Hmm, according to my researches, it will in fact take an infinite amount of time. Therefore if it does become a black hole, we can just shoot an arrow into it and get on with our lives while the arrow is digested in an infinite amount of time.

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  3. that's lots of storage! by t35t0r · · Score: 1

    Nice server room. They're still going to use distributed storage to put all their data at other universities and national labs.

    1. Re:that's lots of storage! by t35t0r · · Score: 1

      looks like thousands of supermicro systems.

    2. Re:that's lots of storage! by laejoh · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      looks like a beowulf cluster! Do you think it runs linux?

    3. Re:that's lots of storage! by negated · · Score: 1, Informative

      Supermicro 1Us on the left, and AIC 5Us on the right!

      -S

    4. Re:that's lots of storage! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was drooling over that, too. Although, given that this is Slashdot, I'm sure I wasn't the only one looking at that server and thinking "ooooh! look at those CPUs..."

    5. Re:that's lots of storage! by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      I'm really worried about it if it runs M$. I don't think I'll worry about taking cal iv though, so it works out pretty good.

    6. Re:that's lots of storage! by caluml · · Score: 1

      Wonder what their naming convention is. Simpsons characters or types of curry just won't cut it.

    7. Re:that's lots of storage! by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 1

      Wonder what their naming convention is. Simpsons characters or types of curry just won't cut it.

      It's France (mostly), so I'm guessing Asterix characters - there's plenty of those.

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    8. Re:that's lots of storage! by Beretta+Vexe · · Score: 1

      A lot of french sysadmin dislike Asterix name. Mobilix a french IT company was sued by the Asterix editor for IP infringement about the name of the company. http://linuxfr.org/2003/02/21/11436.html

  4. This looks like something from Half Life by Rooked_One · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, it begs the question - where's our savior, Gordan Freeman?

    1. Re:This looks like something from Half Life by Beretta+Vexe · · Score: 1

      He's on Irak. This time the futur of mankind is in the hands of a franco-suisse ( half French, half Swiss ) man with a ski-stick !

    2. Re:This looks like something from Half Life by ascendant · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Gordon, but I have my crowbar ready - in case of unforeseen consequences...

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    3. Re:This looks like something from Half Life by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nah... looks much more like the intro of Out of this World.

    4. Re:This looks like something from Half Life by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1

      No, Mr. Bond, I want you to die!!!

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      They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
    5. Re:This looks like something from Half Life by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      I hope not - I actually work on ATLAS at the LHC!

  5. Slashdot + page of high res photos by Anrego · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. this can't end well

    1. Re:Slashdot + page of high res photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'll make a black hole caused by the Large Slashdot Packet Collider!

    2. Re:Slashdot + page of high res photos by Fast+Thick+Pants · · Score: 1

      These pics are not particularly high-res. There are probably high-res versions of these same images available somewhere, but I couldn't find them. Here are some similar ones, though, suitable for printed pinups: http://www.uslhc.us/Images

    3. Re:Slashdot + page of high res photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Standard Model is bound to grow at least two fold when this thing starts delivering data.

    4. Re:Slashdot + page of high res photos by curiuz · · Score: 1

      Didn't you see the picture of their servers?

    5. Re:Slashdot + page of high res photos by stiller · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try this: The photolab part of the Cern Document server, search query Maximilien Brice. The 'large' photos are quite large, but register for the high-res versions:

      http://cdsweb.cern.ch/search?ln=en&cc=CERN+PhotoLab&sc=1&p=Maximilien+Brice&f=&action_search=Search

    6. Re:Slashdot + page of high res photos by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      This is CERN. They invented the web. They have enough bandwidth to transfer datasets that are measured in terabytes to universities around the world. And they are constantly laying more.

      The chances of Slashdot being even a noticeable blip in their traffic logs is pretty low.

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  6. Large Hadron Rap by BuzzSkyline · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Large Hadron Rap by BuzzSkyline · · Score: 1

      oops, wrong link . . . check THIS out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

    2. Re:Large Hadron Rap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High Quality: http://www.vimeo.com/1431471

    3. Re:Large Hadron Rap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      My ears! The ear plugs do NOTHING!

  7. Valve will sue by eekygeeky · · Score: 4, Funny

    this is clearly copyright infringement.

    1. Re:Valve will sue by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 1

      Well, if you wanna play that game, then they're both screwed as /b/ has prior art in that arena. Besides, if CERN has some sort of GLaDOS-esque entity hooked up to the collider, I sure as hell wouldn't want to piss her off with a lawsuit.

      *woosh*
      Look! My karma's flying away!

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  8. My God... by MattGWU · · Score: 1

    It's full of stars!

    (What. It's not NOT full of stars, kind of.)

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    1. Re:My God... by halivar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Naw, it's gonna be filled with black holes.

      THE END IS NIGH! REPENT!!!

    2. Re:My God... by G0rAk · · Score: 1

      ...it's full of Higgs Bosons.

      They sincerely hope, or we chuck the whole physics model out and start over again.

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      Nothing to see here. Move along.
    3. Re:My God... by lordofwhee · · Score: 1

      Well, no. The absence of Higgs Bosons doesn't mean they don't exist, just that either this particular set of equipment can't create them, or can't detect them.

      Anyway, the current model is still useful, even if there really is no Higgs Boson.

    4. Re:My God... by dpuu · · Score: 1

      Theories do put an upper limit on the probable mass of the Higgs. According to Wikipedia, 95% confidence interval is 114 to 140 GeV. If this experiment fails to detect it then it is very likely that it doesn't exist (and therefore our theories need significant overhaul) or that it is very different from what the models predict (in which case our theories need significant overhaul).

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    5. Re:My God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...it's full of Higgs Bosons.

      They sincerely hope, or we chuck the whole physics model out and start over again.

      The scientists hope, but the pigeons are the ones who are really interested. And without pigeons, there's also no Google.

      So yeah, either the Standard Model is upheld, or maybe this is the end of the world, just not quite the way the Luddites were afraid of ;)

  9. Arise! by neostorm · · Score: 1

    What is the condition called where you become sexually aroused by technology?

    Well... that's what I've got.

    These images set the mind on fire!

    1. Re:Arise! by pitchpipe · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is the condition called where you become sexually aroused by technology?

      Technopr0n!

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    2. Re:Arise! by pitchpipe · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is the condition called where you become sexually aroused by technology?

      Technopr0n!

      Oops, that's the stuff that gets you there. What I meant to say was C!@L!$

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    3. Re:Arise! by laejoh · · Score: 1

      It's called erotics, isn't it?

    4. Re:Arise! by srjh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Let me guess... it's giving you a hadron?

    5. Re:Arise! by Fumus · · Score: 1

      Technophilia?
      But I'm more worried about the fact that I've already seen porn of that.

    6. Re:Arise! by hemorex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did the same to me, but then, I couldn't help thinking 'goatse' the whole time I was looking at the pictures.

    7. Re:Arise! by ChoboMog · · Score: 1

      Let me guess... it's giving you a hadron?

      Where do you think his streams of "protons" come from?...

    8. Re:Arise! by ErkDemon · · Score: 1

      Add it to the list of cool places to shag.

    9. Re:Arise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess... it's giving you a hadron?

      A large hadron ;-)

    10. Re:Arise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't find it....but I swear to the FSM and his noodly appendage...when I was a junior or senior undergrad physics major in '92 or '93 I and a friend saw a typo in a Time magazine photo describing the future "Large Hardon Collider" with an image of the beamline poking at toward the viewer....

    11. Re:Arise! by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Let me guess... it's giving you a hadron?

      No, it's giving me a Heron.

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  10. Going to visit this next year by Sebilrazen · · Score: 1

    Using 2 back channel connections, one military and one academic, to go visit this while I'm in Europe next year for work. I guess it didn't hurt working on those French Mirages in Saudi Arabia after all. I'm very interested in ALICE, it should add credence to, or dismiss outright, a lot of cosmological foundations.

    I just hope it doesn't destroy the Earth before then.

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    "There are no facts, only interpretations." --Friedrich Nietzsche.
  11. Where are the crowbars and shotguns? by 0x4a6f6e43 · · Score: 1

    Did any of you notice where they stored the crowbars and shotguns? I'm just making sure when they power this thing up (and create that inter-dimensional rift) that I know the layout. I forget, has the gravity gun been invented yet. Or was that CERN2?

    1. Re:Where are the crowbars and shotguns? by Gromius · · Score: 1

      dont worry, we have it covered. Part of my job is to run simulations of startup at the LHC and prepare for it. I've been extensively playing halflife as result, I'm sure thats what my boss meant :)

    2. Re:Where are the crowbars and shotguns? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I realize that this is probably a rather retarded question but that doesn't mean it won't be so but...

      Will there be a military presense there or armed forces when they turn that bugger on the first time?

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    3. Re:Where are the crowbars and shotguns? by LoztInSpace · · Score: 1

      Why do you think there should be? It's not a military project (as far as I know).

    4. Re:Where are the crowbars and shotguns? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That whole "just in case" thing. We really have no idea what it will do when they turn it on. If they KNEW what it would do then they'd not have had to build it in the first place. I was mostly just curious if there were precautions taken in case this turned into something from every insane fiction author's dreams.

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  12. Sci-Fi Should Look so Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Next time some sci-fi movie wants to display a massive quasi-government experiment regarding anything, they should look this stuff over. So much cooler looking than the BS that most movies have.

  13. Great! by Axello · · Score: 1

    Wow, these are much better than the ones I took last year. Hee, first post?

  14. doesn't beg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It raises the question...

  15. This feels too much like digg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AWESOME Pics of CERN's Large Hadron Collider

  16. Obsoletely Amazing... by ClaraBow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is astonishing what man can accomplish when not at war!

    1. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      i'm sure woman helped too

    2. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by svadu · · Score: 0

      yep, just looking for trouble!

    3. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we're at war.

    4. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by antic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      +1 on amazing.

      I don't know how it works exactly, but it's massive, incredibly complicated and absolutely stunning. Something of a beacon to children becoming interested in science, I'm sure.

      A toast to the brains behind it and those who got it funded.

      --
      'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
    5. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by holywarrior21c · · Score: 1

      I don't know how it works exactly, but it's massive, incredibly complicated and absolutely stunning. Something of a beacon to children becoming interested in science, I'm sure.

      Pardon me if this get a bit offtopic. If this thing works, and If there are possible ways to reduce the size& efficiency &output of this, can i hope to see a tabletop version of this such as a early 20th century's development of nuclear reactor to tabletop nuclear reactor today and possibly a tabletop version of this in 50 yrs? perhaps will same happen for TOKAMAK? When i first looked at LHC, i thought a lot about Fusion reactors. Now i have zero patience to see these coming true!

      Research A Feynman diagram of one way the Higgs boson may be produced at the LHC. Here, two quarks each emit a W or Z boson which combine to make a neutral Higgs. A Feynman diagram of one way the Higgs boson may be produced at the LHC. Here, two quarks each emit a W or Z boson which combine to make a neutral Higgs. A simulated event in the CMS detector, featuring the appearance of the Higgs boson. A simulated event in the CMS detector, featuring the appearance of the Higgs boson.

      When in operation, about seven thousand scientists from eighty countries will have access to the LHC. Physicists hope to use the collider to test various grand unified theories and enhance their ability to answer the following questions:
      * Is the popular Higgs mechanism for generating elementary particle masses in the Standard Model realised in nature? If so, how many Higgs bosons are there, and what are their masses?[10]
      * Will the more precise measurements of the masses of the quarks continue to be mutually consistent within the Standard Model?
      * Do particles have supersymmetric ("SUSY") partners?[1]
      * Why are there apparent violations of the symmetry between matter and antimatter?[1] See also CP-violation.
      * Are there extra dimensions indicated by theoretical gravitons, as predicted by various models inspired by string theory, and can we "see" them?
      * What is the nature of dark matter and dark energy?[1]
      * Why is gravity so many orders of magnitude weaker than the other three fundamental forces?

      LHC

      the outcome of benefits from any answer we get by doing this experiment will be so HADRON!

    6. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by ErkDemon · · Score: 1
      Hey, can this thing levitate beer cans and crush them?

      That would be cool.

    7. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by skelly33 · · Score: 1

      My sentiments exactly. I've read/heard on numerous occasions NASA's space shuttle touted as the single most complicated machine ever built by man. Come now, really? Does it really hold a candle to this? Unbelievable engineering effort.

    8. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by KingTank · · Score: 1

      And just think... The technology in it will probably be used to fight the wars of the future!

    9. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, we ARE at war.

    10. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WE are not at war.

    11. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by Arguendo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is inspiring to see so much human effort put into exploring the nature of our existence. Our species is truly just trying to make sense of it all.

    12. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by Renraku · · Score: 1

      In a nut shell, there are several rings aside from the main one. These help spin particles up to the correct energy level before being injected into the main ring. Once in the main ring, clumps of whatever they're colliding will be taken around the ring and focused in certain areas to maximize chances that atoms collide. There are sensors in the ring to detect exactly what happens.

      Trust me, you don't want a lead atom hitting you at 1000+ TeV.

      So there's the shielding. Not to mention the magnets made to keep the packets of atoms on the same track.

      Their main goal is to find the Higgs boson, as it is the only particle in the Standard Mode that hasn't been found. It supposedly has no mass; only force. If they can detect this boson, many questions will have new evidence to help answer them. Of course the answers aren't nearly as important as all the questions that we will have if it is proven to exist..

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    13. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by DiamondMX · · Score: 1

      So declares the Ministry of Peace.

    14. Re:Obsoletely Amazing... by antic · · Score: 1

      I can follow it to roughly that level, but when things get too sub-atomic, I struggle a little to keep up.

      Incidentally, what would be the result of a lead atom hitting me at whatever 1000+ TeV is?

      What speeds can they get these particles up to?

      My mind boggles at how the hell they track an individual atom on such a massive circuit!

      --
      'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
  17. the most impressive thing by Gromius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always find the most impressive things about the detectors is the cabling that you have to do. The CMS ECAL has at least 61,200 cables to read out all the the crystals, the tracker (first photo) also has thousands and thousands of cables. Trying to wire the damn thing up is an epic task (one I'm happy to have avoided) and trust me, you dont want to screw up.

    1. Re:the most impressive thing by drooling-dog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was thinking the same thing. Could this be the most complex device ever assembled by humankind? Just the diagnostics and debugging seems way beyond daunting.

    2. Re:the most impressive thing by tijnbraun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And what about reproducibility?.
      It would be rather hard too say "Oh yeah, I confirmed that experiment in my laboratory". If something would be wrong wired and thereby giving some false positives, how do you test for those? They must have some redundant checking mechanism somewhere...

    3. Re:the most impressive thing by phlosoft · · Score: 1

      Yes, but have you tried getting the Large Hadron Collider through airport security? I swear, these peons think anything with exposed wires is an "explosive-like device."

    4. Re:the most impressive thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's tested with processes which were already observed on other experiments. There is awful lot of testing during preparation phase (but also in first year or so), test beams were used during construction of some detectors, cosmic muons that you can detect without beam that produces particles, and, finally, simulations which help to predict detector output. Also there are many different test procedures to check if hardware is properly assembled (or even working properly).

      Systematics is a term for that kind of issues. It's possible, or even likely, that detector has "bugs" and doesn't produce entirely true result. This is the primary reason why two conceptually different detectors for the same thing are built (CMS and ATLAS), to proove that whatever is observed is really there.

    5. Re:the most impressive thing by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      I'd like to seem some stats on the entire project. Miles of cable, tons of metal, number of computers, data storage, etc. And I think the more interesting one: how many people were involved and what % of them are from each field 500 engineers, 200 physicist, 200 mathematicians (that sort of thing).

      The one thing that occurs to me every time I see those pictures: I'd hate to see the CAD drawings for that project.

      Even if this isn't the greatest engineering feat of "man" so far, its a genuine marvel to look at. The project started in 1995 - meaning some of the people working on the project have probably spend 1/2 their "working lives" making sure this is properly built.

      I think it would be equally interesting to have a documentary of the project, interview with the scientists and interview after first few experiments are complete.

    6. Re:the most impressive thing by 0x4a6f6e43 · · Score: 1

      I can tell you from experience it's one big project from a cable assembly standpoint. We supplied the cable test equipment: http://www.cirris.com/

    7. Re:the most impressive thing by Gromius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you're telling me. Trying to figure out if the damn thing is working is an epic task. It takes hundreds of scientists, all testing little parts to commission these things. And trust me everything that can go wrong will go wrong. Right now I'm writing monitoring software to ensure that we can trigger electrons and photons and to diagnose problems when they occur and its a huge pain in the ass. And when we think its working, even then we will have a round the clock team in place to continuously monitor it addition to the team that actually operates it.

    8. Re:the most impressive thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CMS and Atlas are both studying the same physics (LHC-b and ALICE are doing different, though overlapping, science). Having two general purpose detectors is the cross-check. It ain't perfect but it has worked reasonably well in the past.

    9. Re:the most impressive thing by nashja · · Score: 1

      Procuring and putting together the cables for these detectors has been a very long and difficult task. One important change for this detector compared to previous generations is that the data (for CMS) is shipped out all on optical fibre. There are about 50,000 fibres to read the 10M channels of the tracker, and 10,000 fibres to read out the crystals for instance. Some of the detectors send out data which is digitized locally and serialized while others send out an analog signal which is converted to optical for transmission. All this optical cable reduces the noise seen in the detectors (from cross-talk for instance), and there is a lot less cable volume than we would have with copper. Sadly we haven't yet figured out how to get the power in without using a lot of copper, so most of the cables are there to bring power to the detectors.

  18. Blueprint for an alien invasion by fullgandoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    If this wasn't designed by inter-galactic aliens, i'll eat my hat. I can't think of any purpose of this machine other than them beaming down their armies as soon as the thing is fully powered.
    Search for exotic particles? Yeah right!

    1. Re:Blueprint for an alien invasion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Why those smarties always figure that space aliens have to be good because they are more developed than we are? (looks around the table)

    2. Re:Blueprint for an alien invasion by White+Flame · · Score: 4, Funny

      If this wasn't designed by inter-galactic aliens, i'll eat my hat.

      I don't think eating tin foil is that great an idea...

    3. Re:Blueprint for an alien invasion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ouch, movie references where missed in action..
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/

  19. .. about the size of a pea. by Channard · · Score: 3, Funny

    It does look impressive. Now all we need is an undead assassin to tow it out into space attached to a giant insect. Before we all die horribly.

    1. Re:.. about the size of a pea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh that's a lexx reference is it?

  20. System Shock by Bozzio · · Score: 1

    Do these pics remind anyone else of the original System Shock?

    I wonder how much Karma this question will cost me.

    --
    I just pooped your party.
    1. Re:System Shock by kvezach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Look at you, poster... a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you wait for your karma reward. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal supercollider?

  21. Yes, it does run linux by mad+zambian · · Score: 5, Informative
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  22. Don't cross the streams by v1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dr. Egon Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: What?
    Dr. Egon Spengler: Don't cross the streams.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Why?
    Dr. Egon Spengler: It would be bad.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean, "bad"?
    Dr. Egon Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
    Dr Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Right. That's bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.

    --
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    1. Re: Don't cross the streams by Spiralis+Fractus · · Score: 1

      When an excerpt from the Ghostbusters movie is modded as "Informative", it's time for someone to turn off the television and enroll in a science class. I also recommend removing the tinfoil hat before entering the classroom.

    2. Re: Don't cross the streams by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      It's informative to those of us who didn't get the crossed streams reference.

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  23. Holy Shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Picture 5, I just spotted the Higgs Boson! Oh no wait, hold on. False alarm folks. Just a dead pixel.

    1. Re:Holy Shit! by labnrrd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It took several billion Euros to build the LHC. This is a beautiful picture of the servers that control and manage it. Does anyone else find it odd that they couldn't get a flat screen monitor?

    2. Re:Holy Shit! by Caalador · · Score: 0

      Picture 5, ALICE is having my babies. No seriously, imagine what kind of convoluted science we can do with this baby...

    3. Re:Holy Shit! by achurch · · Score: 1

      Maybe the guy doing the setup prefers CRTs to LCDs?

  24. Re:Priority Bombs. by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 0

    I'd rather have that the money goes here, at least something good could come of this.

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  25. ET technology by SpaceGoret · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is so beautiful. It looks like extra-terrestrial technology.

    1. Re:ET technology by xhaju · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Egiptians built it and these scientists took the plans from them........

    2. Re:ET technology by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      This is so beautiful. It looks like extra-terrestrial technology.

      Close. It's subterranean.

      - RG>

      --
      Hey pal, this isn't a pleasantforest, so don't waste my time with pleasantries!
    3. Re:ET technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we're still just smashing one thing into another, when you get down to it.

      This thing's gonna rock.

    4. Re:ET technology by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 1

      That's what the E.T. on the sub-etha radio told us to do - ".....the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys"

      (OK, so they're not rocks exactly, but close enough..)

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    5. Re:ET technology by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity...from where do you know how ET tech looks like?

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      One that hath name thou can not otter
  26. Impressive by Greenmoon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've never seen such a complex array of technology outside a Hollywood or video game mock-up. It must be very exciting for the folks on the design team to see this coming together.
    And kudos to the photographer(s) who captured these. That was a smart move, collecting such high-res images.
    Very nice.

    1. Re:Impressive by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      It must be very exciting for the folks on the design team to see this coming together.

      Still, imagine the letdown if they don't find anything. Of course, there's always a silver lining...

      --
      Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
  27. Is that... by meteficha · · Score: 1

    ...Stargate?!

  28. Pffft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should see pictures of our pionizer.

    --Barron

  29. The Big Picture by DrHanser · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Big Picture photoblog is quite good. I've been subscribed to its RSS feed for nearly a month now, and it never disappoints.

    --
    What is humor if not pain tempered by time?
  30. Is it sad I saw this coming before I clicked? by Kawahee · · Score: 1

    Did you mean: "large hadron rap"

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    1. Re:Is it sad I saw this coming before I clicked? by BuzzSkyline · · Score: 1

      Ummm, saw what? the typo, the erroneous link, or the kickass rap itself?

  31. Wow! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let me be the first to say: That's a LOT of zip ties...

    --
    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    1. Re:Wow! by DeadDecoy · · Score: 1

      Now just think about all the duct tape they used.

    2. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what's the betting they cost $800 each?

  32. but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does it run linux?

  33. LHC Countdown ... down? by Light303 · · Score: 1

    I just wanted to check when this beauty is going live ... but as i discovered:

    http://www.lhcountdown.com/

    seems to be down ... i hope this kind of misconfiguration does not apply to the rest of the system! (else we are all doomed! *runs away in panic*)

  34. Dates? by drinsilence · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Article says: "The European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) is preparing for its first small tests in early August, leading to a planned full-track test in September - and the first planned particle collisions before the end of the year" anyone knows the specific dates for these events?

    1. Re:Dates? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      I am not sure if they know them themselves...
      Even with an accelerator ring 2 orders of magnitude smaller, stuff and glitches can cause delays, or require checkups before full powerup.

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    2. Re:Dates? by dwpro · · Score: 1

      They had this link in the comments section on the page, but it was down when I tried it:

      http://www.lhcountdown.com/

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    3. Re:Dates? by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

      Deceember 21, 2012, according to the Mayans.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  35. Run away? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Why? Where?

    If they, when they turn it on, create anything that can at least significantly damage The WorldTM - unless you have a personal space faring escape pod LHC is going to get you.

    --
    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
  36. They plan on discovering... by idiotdevel · · Score: 0

    if conditions immediately after the big bang are suitable for running Vista smoothly

  37. Tron by ryu1232 · · Score: 1

    So this can put me on to the MCP's game grid right?

  38. Mon Dieu! by flajann · · Score: 1
    Hey, I'm an atheist, but those were the first words that came to mind when I saw the pictures. I mean, the sheer scale of this project alone is mind-boggling, let alone what it is designed to detect!!!!!!

    This is for sure the stuff that sets Man apart from Animal!

    Now, if we can get the US to stop blowing $billions on killing people and instead invest in human understanding of the greater universe we live in! What a dream... Oh well, the US cares more about dropping bombs on the heads of innocents...

    1. Re:Mon Dieu! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, if we can get the US to stop blowing $billions on killing people and instead invest in human understanding of the greater universe we live in! What a dream... Oh well, the US cares more about dropping bombs on the heads of innocents...

      I agree, as long as research paid for with our money is conducted in the US. I see little reason to send funds to Europe.. but then again, congress just cut the funding for projects like this in late 2007 I think so it's a moot point.

    2. Re:Mon Dieu! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We tried with the Super Conducting SuperCollider, but the Democrats killed it in 1990 (way to go Dale Bumpers!) Also don't forget the immense amount of research in to high energy physics for SDI(star wars).

    3. Re:Mon Dieu! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is for sure the stuff that sets Man apart from Animal!

      Oh, please. The rats keep trying to build a cyclotron in my basement.

      --
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    4. Re:Mon Dieu! by flajann · · Score: 1

      Or, they can simply cut funding for all projects, give us our tax dollars back, and we can choose to fund whatever we want.

    5. Re:Mon Dieu! by flajann · · Score: 1

      SDI was a waste, a serious joke that never had a chance of "working", and even if it did, would've bankrupted the country if deployed, leaving the Soviets with the last laugh.

    6. Re:Mon Dieu! by flajann · · Score: 1

      This is for sure the stuff that sets Man apart from Animal!

      Oh, please. The rats keep trying to build a cyclotron in my basement.

      A cyclotron to accelerate their pellets? Smash'em together and see what new kinds of stink will erupt?

      Gotta keep an eye on them rats. Or do something to Willard...

  39. LHC by SaneScienceOrg · · Score: 0, Troll

    Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. - 'The World is not Enough' Zealous Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena. CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown." The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states quote: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think the same thing about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him. This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this "science" up: "That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out." Find out more about that "stuff" below; http://www.sanescience.org/ http://www.lhcfacts.org/ http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm http://www.lhcdefense.org/ http://www.lhcconcerns.com/ Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html"

    1. Re:LHC by MrKaos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Man's technology has exceeded his grasp.

      Whitespace is one of the technologies it would seem.

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      My ism, it's full of beliefs.
    2. Re:LHC by ralewi1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From the lhcdefense.org site - "61% of over 250,000 participants in an AOL survey say that operating the LHC is not worth the risk"

      Yes, we must end all science until at least 51% of all AOL users agree that it is safe.

  40. Re:Holy Navy? Astartes here by vertinox · · Score: 0

    Oh great... Next you'll be telling me the LHC is going to tear a rift in the Warp and we're going to get invaded by Slaneeshi demonettes.

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    "I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
    -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
  41. LHC by SaneScienceOrg · · Score: 0, Troll

    Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. - 'The World is not Enough' Zealous Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena. CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown." The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states quote: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think the same thing about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him. This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this "science" up: "That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out." Find out more about that "stuff" below; http://www.sanescience.org/ http://www.lhcfacts.org/ http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm http://www.lhcdefense.org/ http://www.lhcconcerns.com/ Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html"

  42. hl2 by wiz22 · · Score: 1

    They are waiting for you Gordon...in the tessst chambrrrr...

  43. Good Wallpapers by svank · · Score: 0

    Some of those pictures would look really nice as a wallpaper if they were higher resolution.

  44. Ok by C_Kode · · Score: 1

    Ok, whats the word I'm looking for? Oh yes, WOW!

    Did they hire a designer to design the color scheme? That is simple gorgeous!

  45. amazing by SuperDre · · Score: 0

    yes, these certainly are some beautifull amazing images... but seeing all the wires and little parts, gets me more an more afraid for a big accident waiting to happen.. with all the cheapest contractors possible I just wishes they build it in the states, and not so close to our own home.. hehe..

  46. Wow by metalpres · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else get a weird feeling like they were looking at something they weren't supposed to? Thats amazing stuff, seems like it should be classified or owned by some evil super villain or something

  47. machine porn vs beautiful science by somethinsfishy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The tools are beautiful objects, to be sure. But what makes beautiful science is elegant, concise, and simple (within the context) descriptions of how the universe works.

  48. New name for the colider by vulgrin · · Score: 1

    I give you "Hadron - Eater of Worlds"

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    I sig, therefore I am.
  49. Hmm... by Shados · · Score: 1

    And with all the wires and pieces making up that machine... what are the odds that there was one tiny little mistake somewhere in the assembly? Or is it made redundant, so that if a part fuck up, it doesn't matter? I mean, a little spark at the wrong place in these wires and...

    1. Re:Hmm... by ErkDemon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you'd have to be really, REALLY careful not to spill beer on it.

  50. policy for protection from copper thieves by Locutus · · Score: 1

    it looks like they have a couple strands of copper wire here and there which is ripe for the picking. We've had thieves taking copper water pipes, ground strapping and rods, and even had a few electrocuted while attempting to take live power lines.

    seriously, those pics looked amazing.

    LoB

    --
    "Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
  51. LHC and Black Holes by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    I don't mind if they make a black hole, as long as they don't drop it. I think that would be bad.

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    My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  52. Disturbing yet Liberating the Revelation leaks.. by FromTheAir · · Score: 1

    Some scientist might be hinting that it is not the black hole we need to worry about, but rather the Revelation regarding the singularity that could alter our flawed perception of reality. Read about it here. http://godparticle.net/

    --
    "an infinite player that has lost his finite mind" ~Infinite Play the Movie (it blends with reality)
  53. I wanted to try and find by caluml · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wanted to try and find the location of the last pic in Google maps. So I went to maps.google.com, and typed in Lake Geneva. It suggested something called "Lake Geneva", WI. I thought, OK, typical Americanocentrism, so I searched for Lake Geneva, Switzerland, and ended up with "Lake Geneva Uninc Switzerland County, IN". I zoomed out of that place a fair way, and I couldn't see any water. What gives? Brin, you listening?

    1. Re:I wanted to try and find by caluml · · Score: 1

      For the record, it's here. Visit it again in a few years to look at the smoking crater.

    2. Re:I wanted to try and find by caluml · · Score: 4, Informative

      But this this is a lot better. Has an overlay, with the rings on it.

    3. Re:I wanted to try and find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's because the real name is lake Leman, not Geneva, dont know why english folks use the Geneva town name for the lake

    4. Re:I wanted to try and find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You just reminded me of an LHC fact my professor told me a year or so ago: when lake geneva is particularly full, the *country* bends enough that CERN have to take it into account. It's just that sensitive.

    5. Re:I wanted to try and find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats more interesting is that when you enter the 'non Amercanocentristic' search words 'Genfersee' or 'Lac Leman', it *still* gives you Lake Geneva, WI. Interesting translation algorithm there.

    6. Re:I wanted to try and find by renoX · · Score: 1

      Yep, I've heard that the power in the ring fluctuate because of moon attraction..
      Imagine:
      Boss> Ok, we have weird results from time to time, your mission is to find the cause.
      [month laters]
      Engineer> Eureka, I've found that it's moon attraction which change the ring's length so it has an impact on on our measurements!
      Boss> What took you so long?
      Engineer> *Argh* [die of an heart attack]

    7. Re:I wanted to try and find by whosaidanythingabout · · Score: 1

      Ya, but in a month the street view car will have complete footage inside the tunnel.

    8. Re:I wanted to try and find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is that so many Americans are proud to be bloody stupid and ignorant? You are a good example of that: it's a French part of Switzerand and whether you like it or not Switzerland in general speaks French, Swiss, German and Italian. In none of those languages a lake is actually a "lake" so why do you expect to find a Lake Geneva in a non English speaking country, in which this lake has a different name? How about trying Geneva as Geneva is at that lake? Or how about trying CERN in google maps? Belive me, Mr Brin knows exactly what CERN is in contrast to you and google maps has no problem finding it, for as much as I dislike google...

    9. Re:I wanted to try and find by Monkey-some · · Score: 1

      someone posted you a google link with the collider. The real name of that lake is "Lac Leman" (lake Leman), where the smaller part (the one in the pic) is called "the small lake" or sometimes "lake geneva". Lake Geneva is not the correct name but sometimes used by ...foreigners by mistake. It happens quite often that in Switzerland Lakes are named by their "main" city on it (or near their end point). So one could safely assume that the Leman is called "lake Geneva" but it's not the fact here.

  54. Watch out... by Null537 · · Score: 1

    ...that thing gives helicopters cancer.

    1. Re:Watch out... by tenco · · Score: 1
      These proton beams punch through a lot of matter (from minute 13:50 and 18:00):

      http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/content/511382

      It's an episode from the german(-language) "Abenteuer Wissen" pop-sci show. The whole episode is about LHC.

  55. Any body else read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Large Hardon Collider?

  56. Time Tunnel! by ErkDemon · · Score: 1
    Stargate, pah!

    Have you never seen an episode of Time Tunnel?

    http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/timetunnel.htm

    1. Re:Time Tunnel! by scottrocket · · Score: 1
      "Have you never seen an episode of Time Tunnel?"

      That's how I got my handle (read the closing credits vertically--or maybe it was "Land of the Giants"...).

  57. The comments by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The comments on that page are as depressing as the pictures are beautiful and impressive. :(

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  58. General... by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 1

    Make ready my ship, soon the world will witness the power of a fully functional battle station!

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  59. A TRIUMPH OF AMERICAN INGENUITY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This goes to show once again that we can accomplish anything when we set our minds to it.

  60. Some of those comments are interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why am I reminded of a bunch of rhesus monkeys staring at a black monolith?

  61. The "Time Projection Chamber" by bitrex · · Score: 1

    One of the experiments shown contains a unit called the "Time Projection Chamber." And so what exactly is the purpose of this "Time Projection Chamber", hmm?

    1. Re:The "Time Projection Chamber" by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

      You posted that same question yesterday.

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    2. Re:The "Time Projection Chamber" by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      It's a device named to make you think they're conspiring to build a massive time machine.

      Meanwhile it's probably something benign like a detector to map out the path particles take over time.

    3. Re:The "Time Projection Chamber" by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      You posted that same question yesterday.

      You posted that same reply tomorrow.

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  62. Magic The Gathering: Real World Version? by IonOtter · · Score: 1

    First pic of the collider...

    Nevinyrral's Disk.

    Coincidence?

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  63. Pfft by Pennidren · · Score: 1

    I am unimpressed. THIS is a more amazing engineering feat.

    1. Re:Pfft by Shados · · Score: 1

      God damn...wouldn't want a spark lighting up in that mess.

  64. A CRT monitor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wtf?

    1. Re:A CRT monitor! by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

      The day finally comes. They turn on each stage one at a time. Things look like they are going well. Data flows at an incredible rate and is properly transmitted over the new high speed internet and safely stored in new data repositories all over the world. Slowly the beams start to drift off track. The scientists furiously calculate what is going on as the beams tear great gaping holes in space as they precess towards the data center. Finally a nerd realizes what is going on and shouts, "It's the magnetic field from the CRT in the data center, it is attracting the beams..". But by then the entire experiment is destroyed.

  65. As Ted Stevens would say... by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

    Looking at the LHC, I would say that it looks like a series of tubes...

    So, what you're saying is that the tubes are clogging the tubes? *Head asplodes*

  66. Truely inspiring by Orlando · · Score: 1

    I was recently lucky enough to have two tours of the CMS experiment, once on the open day and a second private tour a couple of weeks later. I can honestly say that I felt humbled standing next to it.

    I am no stranger to technology, I work as a sysadmin in a large, world class data center. But this thing is something else. To think that a team made up of people from all over the world can accomplish something like this when they put their minds to it.

    And the purpose of it? Not to make weapons or money, but purely and simply, to increase our knowledge.

    Hats off to all those involved.

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  67. CERN joke by Orlando · · Score: 1

    A guy I know who works on one of the experiments told me a joke they have. Apparently there is more than a little rivalry between the Atlas and CMS teams. I asked him what CMS stands for, he told me - When you go and look at it you See A Mess :)

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  68. Re:Disturbing yet Liberating the Revelation leaks. by Kagura · · Score: 1

    What does the Higgs boson have to do with the singularity? Unless it gives us better computers, it does absolutely nothing for the singularity.

    Yeah, that's right. I asked a question and then answered it right away.

  69. Some point into the future... by Doorjam · · Score: 1

    Someday people will look in amazement and say, 'I can't believe they can fit all that into one 8 zetabyte flash card now.'

  70. CMS Photo by PPH · · Score: 1

    When I saw the photo of the CMS (first one) I figured that some salesman at Monster Cable must have wet himself.

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  71. Re:Holy Navy? Astartes here by KGIII · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, if it does happen I expect you to come back to this thread and say you're sorry.

    *nods*

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  72. Check out the CRT in the computer room by Sybert42 · · Score: 0

    No doubt hooked up with VGA on a computer with PS/2 and a gameport.

  73. Are we sure by Trogre · · Score: 1

    this thing is being build to collide hadrons?

    Just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if the first initialization command goes something like:
    "Commence Primary Ignition"

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  74. Half-life? No wonder I feel at home by lena_10326 · · Score: 1
    ...looking at those pics. Brings back memories.

    From the page:

    It looks like Half life:)
    Posted by Palko

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  75. cyclic illogic by optikos · · Score: 1
    Let's review the messed-up logic:

    cyclic illogic #1
    1A) Because the Big Bang is perfectly proven undisputed fact obtained during a direct telephone call to God The Creator himself, the fact that the Big Bang occurred just like we know for certain that it did logically implies that these little black holes dissipate.
    versus
    1B) We have spent billions of Euros on this thing to prove whether the Big Bang occurred or not, because we are not sure that the facts support a key criterion on which the Big Bang depends.

    cyclic illogic #2
    2A) Because input stimuli in the LHC happen in nature all of the time, the LHC is perfectly safe.
    versus
    2B) We have spent billions of Euros on this thing, because we have never observed the outcomes of the LHC in nature.

    1A and 1B cannot both be true. 2A and 2B cannot both be true.

    To produce different outcomes than seen in nature, evidently the LHC actually does induce different input stimuli than possible outside of the laboratory, or else we would have already been able to observe the LHC's wonderful outputs already in nature. Even people with very high IQs can be very stupidly illogical. Book smarts are not street smarts!

    1. Re:cyclic illogic by habig · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let's review the messed-up logic:

      cyclic illogic #2

      2A) Because input stimuli in the LHC happen in nature all of the time, the LHC is perfectly safe.

      versus

      2B) We have spent billions of Euros on this thing, because we have never observed the outcomes of the LHC in nature.

      1A and 1B cannot both be true. 2A and 2B cannot both be true.

      Your cyclic illogic has a fatal flaw. Just because we know these things happen in nature all the time doesn't mean we can easily study them. However, we know they happen, the Earth has survived 4.5by of them, and we're not dead yet. Ergo, they can't be too dangerous.

      Mother Nature does hit the Earth with collisions of LHC energies on up all the time and has been doing so since the beginning. Although we know this because we can see the results with cosmic ray experiments, they are unusual enough that we can't build a detector of the quality being done here, fly it to the upper atmosphere, then sit and wait for decades for that interaction to occur where we can study it to see what happens. On the other hand, build this thing, aim it where you want, and watch zillions of such interactions occur right where they can be studied.

      And yes, I Am A Physicist, specializing in the study of cosmic rays. I even happen to be sitting shift at the moment on an experiment at Fermilab, watching a lower energy particle beam zap my experiment every 2.2 seconds. Beep. Beep. Beep.

    2. Re:cyclic illogic by optikos · · Score: 1
      It is not merely about the "same energy". It is about: the exact same combination of conditions as will exist within the LHC. Please show me where on Earth I would find the natural combination of conditions that are the same as will exist within the operational LHC. I would like to buy an airplane ticket and go there to see this proleptic LHC-in-nature that predates the LHC. That way I can get comfortable about the artificial re-creation of what is so commonplace in nature.

      By their own admission, the LHC researchers are recreating a combination of stimuli and outcomes that existed an instant after the Big Bang. I would like to buy an airplane ticket to see these frequent Big Bangs on Earth. They sound pretty cool. Since you know with such certainty that the LHC is merely artificially recreating a combination of stimui and outcomes that has naturally occurred on Earth numerous times over a 4.5-billion-year period, please tell me where I can see the daily Big Bangs on Earth (other than the LHC on the day that it really does go Big Bang). I have some vacation time saved up. They sound like fun vistas to see. Perhaps since these 1-instant-after-Big-Bang occurrences are so frequent in nature on Earth, perhaps I won't need to travel far. Perhaps one of these natural Big Bangs on Earth is across town or just down-state from here.

      Remember I am not interested in seeing some "same energy" knock-off; I don't have that much vacation time to waste on such pedestrian unexciting stuff. I want to see only the really good stuff on vacation: I want to see one of the instants after the Big Bang that have occurred so frequently on Earth for 4.5 billion years as you claim.

    3. Re:cyclic illogic by habig · · Score: 1

      It is not merely about the "same energy". It is about: the exact same combination of conditions as will exist within the LHC.

      At the individual particle scale, energy all that matters here. Space is mostly empty, whether you're a few blasts of protons smacking into each other in a pretty good vacuum in the LHC or individual ones from outer space hitting nuclei in the Earth's upper atmosphere. Really, it makes no difference. Not just theory, thousands of rather smart people have been building clever devices to watch this stuff happen for decades, and it all adds up.

      You might say "but the basic laws of physics might fall apart just past where you've carefully studied so far. Ok, unlikely, but they might. However, everything we've seen by watching what flies of cosmic ray collisions across the whole range of energies above where we've well-studied the things is very consistent with what we know from lower energy ones. It's the fine detail we're missing, not the basics.

      Please show me where on Earth I would find the natural combination of conditions that are the same as will exist within the operational LHC.

      No need to buy a ticket. Sit back and look up. The LHC center of mass energy is about the same as the average collision which creates the cosmic ray muon showers I see every couple of seconds in the MINOS Far Detector. Here, look for yourself. And these are garden variety things compared the the more rare and far more energetic ones we've observed in really big arrays designed specifically to go count how many we get of each one, like this experiment.

    4. Re:cyclic illogic by optikos · · Score: 1

      Still there is a fundamental illogic all throughout your statements. The stated purpose of the LHC is to recreate the conditions that existed in the first split second after the (original) Big Bang. To justify the safety of the LHC, you are implying that above me right now (or perhaps later tonight), if I had just the right aim and timing on my Look Upward device, I would be able to see occurring in nature the very conditions that existed in the first split second after the (original) Big Bang. You are essentially claiming that there are frequent natural recurrences of the first split second after the Big Bang happening around us every so often for the past billions of years. Now with good aim and good timing, you say that I can look upward and see this Daily Big Bangette. I thought we were having enough trouble salvaging with dark matter etc the existence of the original Big Bang. Now I am glad to hear that we are convinced that there are plenty of Daily Big Bangettes happening, and I am missing all of these due to bad aim and/or bad timing glitches in my Look Upward device.

      You see, I reject your premise: same energy alone doesn't count. Exact same combination of conditions in all metrics in aggregate as a tuple is what counts. Regardless of the model of physics, there exists some tuple where a few metrics in that tuple include: 1) amount of energy and 2) distance-extent (e.g., linear distance, area, volume, etc for how ever many dimensions) over which that energy exists. Your "same energy" collisions overhead that you want me to look at in my Look Upward device are an extraordinarily-sparse distribution of that "same energy" (in however many dimensions). The LHC tries to recreate some important parameters of that tuple, more than merely "same energy". I reject your implied claim that the naturally-occurring "same energy" collisions of particles recreate en masse all of the same parameters of that tuple that the LHC will be recreating. Similarity to the Big Bang is not merely "same energy" but rather such similarity is defined as recreating multiple parameters (and perhaps all parameters) of the original Big Bang's tuple. You are so incorrectly focused on only one metric in that tuple. You have become so well educated in a narrow topic that you forget to think in the large. There are more parameters in space and time, Habigio, than ever dreamt of in your focus on energy alone.

      I am sorry to say, but your little Daily Big Bangettes of "same energy" cosmic collisions meet my definition of uninteresting tourist trap, where I do not want to spend my precious vacation time. I still want to see the naturally-occurring real deal of any single one of these millions of examples of your oft-mentioned naturally-occurring first split second of the Big Bang while I am on vacation. I don't have a time machine to go back to see the (original) Big Bang; plus it sounds, like a moth-to-the-flame, I would get my wings burned off by all of that energy. The Look Upward device not only has bad aim and bad timing, but, when rarely successful, only lets me see naturally-occurring poor-quality knock-offs of merely one parameter of the tuple. Where can I go on my eco-vacation to see the full multiple-parameter tuple of metrics that the LHC will be creating (metrics other than "same energy") instead occurring out in the field in their natural habitat. Let's call this animal in the wild: The Full-Tupled Big Bangers. The LHC is trying to capture several of these Full-Tupled Big Bangers for its physics-zoo on the banks of Lake Geneva. Switzerland, I have been there done that on past vacations. Zoos, been there done that too. Where can I go on my eco-tourist vacation to see the Full-Tupled Big Bangers in their natural habitat outside of Lake Geneva's zoo? You see, I think that The Full-Tupled Big Bangers went extinct billions of years ago. The LHC will not merely be capturing a commonplace wild animal; rather, the LHC will be attempting to resurrect from the dead the long-extinct species of Full-Tupled Big

  76. Nerd status? by Snaller · · Score: 1

    So if you don't think its pretty - you aren't a real nerd?

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  77. Relative humidity 92%, internal temperature 39.1&# by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like a borg ship...

  78. I Raise a Beer to the Engineers by kencf0618 · · Score: 1

    I raise a beer (in this case Sheaf Stout) to the engineers!

    Kudos!

  79. Cue the terminatrix by kiehlster · · Score: 1

    Any moment now we should see a hot looking robot run down the tunnel in photo #4 chasing after some guy named John Connor.

    Oh and I can't wait for the future repeated slashdot posts about trial attempt number X has failed leading scientists to spend months/years diagnosing what went wrong. Heres to future epic fails.

  80. Whatever floats your boat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like you've got a hard-on for hadrons. Whatever.

  81. That just by thexile · · Score: 1

    made me came!

  82. This still leaves me wondering... by JiminyJones · · Score: 1

    Does rule 34 apply? does 35? are all the talks about the LHD creating black holes referring to the utter destruction of our internet's laws? We better start sleeping with our eyes open.

  83. ...the 'boring' answer by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Just in case you really wanted to know: it tracks particles. When a charge particle moves through a gas it knocks off electrons. These are then accelerated by an electric field towards the end of the chamber. The location where the electrons hit the ends gives a 2D projection of the track. By measuring the time of arrival you can determine how far they travelled (if you know the electron drift velocity) and obtain the third dimension. Hence the name time projection chamber. Nothing to do with Dr. Who I'm afraid!

  84. Higgs Photo Here by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you are looking for a picture of a Higgs try this one which shows a Higgs at ATLAS.

  85. Hollyword ARE interested by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Actually Hollywood have taken note. They sent a guy around to photograph ATLAS last month to get pictures for the computer graphics they will use to create a detector for the upcoming Angels and Demons film based on Dan Brown's book. Apparently though, like the book, they aren't trying to have any sort of scientific accuracy. In the film a thin sheet of glass will be what shields the scientists from the radiation, rather than the 10's of metres of Earth and concrete in the real case.

  86. Petabytes by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Informative

    They have enough bandwidth to transfer datasets that are measured in terabytes to universities around the world.

    Actually the datasets are now measured in petabytes. The first test petabyte of data, for ATLAS at least, was transfered out of CERN in 2006.

  87. Not quite... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to Wikipedia, 95% confidence interval is 114 to 140 GeV/c2.

    That is if you fit it to the Standard Model. Since we have no idea if the SM holds to LHC energies you cannot really believe that as a real bound. In fact, if we measure the Higgs at 200GeV/c2 my guess is that we'd revisit some of the input measurements and find that the result is probably not as inconsistent as we originally thought i.e. take these limits with a LARGE grain of salt, they depend on a lot of different, complex measurements all being correct.

    What is far more certain is that we have to see something before 1TeV. At around this energy the probability of two W bosons scattering becomes greater than 100% without a Higgs present. Since any theory which gives a bigger than 100% probability of an event has got to be wrong there are only two possibilities:

    • We find a Higgs boson with a mass <1TeV/c2
    • We find something else which occurs before 1TeV in energy.

    This is one reason why the LHC is so exciting: we HAVE to see something. Either a Higgs boson, or hopefully something entirely different.

  88. Re:Obsoletely Amazing vs Finance-Pie-Please ? by pg--az · · Score: 1

    I was unable to find free info, although my search (( CERN LHC FINANCE PIE CHART )) does seem to find an abstract of a pay-for-PDF that would describe the costs as of 1997, sigh. Really, it would be neat to know approximately who is paying for this, while the US budget goes for war like you say, and the McMansion-Bailout which is so embarrassing.

  89. I just hope ... by changos · · Score: 1

    this movie is better than "The Da Vinci Code"