First off, the article is about Gtk, not GNOME. You don't need to use or want GNOME to use Gtk.
Secondly, Gtk-- tracks Gtk development closely.
And third, there are Gtk bindings for at least a dozen languages, including Free Pascal, ADA, Eiffel, and Python, most of which are far preferable to crufty old C++.
It should also be pointed out that Motif has been the most used widget set on unix systems, and that is a C toolkit.
I've been following gnome and learning Gtk (Gnome API is next) for a while, but I don't have a compelling need for it either. Also, I use 800x600 on my laptop, and there's not a lot of space for extra doodads. I'd say the same for KDE.
The Gtk development branch has been in feature freeze for a while and is quite stable. Since you can install Gtk 1.1.16 and still keep the old Gtk 1.0.6 DLL around for GIMP, there really is no reason not to upgrade.
Does anyone have a URL for the other O'Reilly parody that was posted on slashdot some time ago? It was hilarious (Jesus in a Nutshell is mildly amusing).
Banning GPL'ed software in derived products is the right thing for anyone selling proprietary software to do. However, banning its use in services is downright silly and sounds ideologically motivated (that is, if the original source wasn't garbling this.)
I got the necessary SRPMs (based on the update info at www.linuxhq.com) from rawhide and rebuilt them with rpm --rebuild. I think there may have been one or two things that I got from contrib, too.
The comment was about stability. MS has pretensions of taking over the server market with NT, but they have a long way to go to achieve the stability of unixen. Linux has plenty of server side apps, and is approaching a decent selection on the client side.
Linux already has several excellent RAD languages such as Python, Ruby, Tcl/Tk, and several Smalltalk environments.
I'm using pygtk right now and development is very fast. I don't use a GUI builder, but I don't like fiddling with them anyway and find it easy to go from a design on paper directly to code because of the simplicity of the language and toolkit.
I'm kinda sick of hearing about them. There seems to be a hell of a lot of work done to save them, but I think its all a sham. I think that nothing is really happening.
Maybe you're X setup is misconfigured. I don't notice much of a difference between X and windows fonts at 800x600 on my laptop, and at the 1280x1024 resolution on my desktop I can use big 100dpi fonts that look great.
Whenever I read an article like this I wonder what the author wants me to do about the supposed problem. Am I supposed to erase Redhat? Stop advocating Linux among the heathen? Give up on GNOME or other make-it-user-friendly projects? What?
Otherwise I don't see anything I can do about what other people choose to do with Linux. Hey, do you think that could have been intended from the beginning?
I took the "we" in "we would be better served if..." to mean the entire Linux community. I apologize if I took it wrong, but it was a little ambiguous.
Still, I think it's a mildly FUDish thing to say.
GNOME is a work in progress because it started later. So they should just say, "We went with KDE because that's what is available now," rather than dismissing efforts by a large part of the community.
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The summary of new features is right on the front page at www.gtk.org.
First off, the article is about Gtk, not GNOME.
You don't need to use or want GNOME to use Gtk.
Secondly, Gtk-- tracks Gtk development closely.
And third, there are Gtk bindings for at least a dozen languages, including Free Pascal, ADA, Eiffel, and Python, most of which are far preferable to crufty old C++.
It should also be pointed out that Motif has been the most used widget set on unix systems, and that is a C toolkit.
I've been following gnome and learning Gtk (Gnome API is next) for a while, but I don't have a compelling need for it either. Also, I use 800x600 on my laptop, and there's not a lot of space for extra doodads. I'd say the same for KDE.
The Gtk development branch has been in feature freeze for a while and is quite stable. Since you can install Gtk 1.1.16 and still keep the old Gtk 1.0.6 DLL around for GIMP, there really is no reason not to upgrade.
Does anyone have a URL for the other O'Reilly
parody that was posted on slashdot some time ago?
It was hilarious (Jesus in a Nutshell is mildly amusing).
Dave
Banning GPL'ed software in
derived products is the right thing for anyone selling proprietary software to do. However, banning its use in services is downright silly and sounds ideologically motivated (that is, if the original source wasn't garbling this.)
I got the necessary SRPMs (based on the update info at www.linuxhq.com) from rawhide and
rebuilt them with rpm --rebuild. I think there may have been one or two things that I got from contrib, too.
What are you babbling about?
The comment was about stability. MS has pretensions of taking over the server market with NT, but they have a long way to go to achieve the stability of unixen. Linux has plenty of server side apps, and is approaching a decent selection on the client side.
Linux already has several excellent RAD languages such as Python, Ruby, Tcl/Tk, and several Smalltalk environments.
I'm using pygtk right now and development is very fast. I don't use a GUI builder, but I don't like fiddling with them anyway and find it easy to go from a design on paper directly to code because of the simplicity of the language and toolkit.
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Haven't the Nazis killed all those guys yet.
I'm kinda sick of hearing about them. There seems to be a hell of a lot of work done to save
them, but I think its all a sham. I think that nothing is really happening.
Maybe you're X setup is misconfigured. I don't notice much of a difference between X and windows fonts at 800x600 on my laptop, and at the 1280x1024 resolution on my desktop I can use big 100dpi fonts that look great.
Whenever I read an article like this I wonder
what the author wants me to do about the supposed
problem. Am I supposed to erase Redhat? Stop advocating Linux among the heathen? Give up on GNOME or other make-it-user-friendly projects? What?
Otherwise I don't see anything I can do about what
other people choose to do with Linux. Hey, do
you think that could have been intended from the beginning?
I know of Gtk, Tk, Qt and XForms bindings for Perl.
Python is better, though.
Some people won't use Linux without it. Caldera definitely has an important niche.
I took the "we" in "we would be better served if..." to mean the entire Linux community. I apologize if I took it wrong, but it was a little ambiguous.
Still, I think it's a mildly FUDish thing to say.
GNOME is a work in progress because it started later. So they should just say, "We went with KDE because that's what is available now," rather than dismissing efforts by a large part of the community.
"Gnome is a work in progress, and we would be better served to expand [KDE] rather than build an alternative."
Fuck you, Caldera. I'm not interested in serving *your* needs. You should go into another business since you haven't a clue what Linux is about.
Yes, WMaker is faster, and I believe it has a smaller memory footprint.
There don't seem to be any themes or styles with this release. Where'd they go?
We are not going to be free of taxes anytime soon so it's Good Thing for at least some of that money to go to open source projects.
Freshmeat has been down for only few minutes on New Year's Day and you can say with a straight face
"Ive (sic) seen (sic) loyal customers and contributers (sic) saying that they (sic) lost respect with (sic) FM"?