GNOME 1.0.0 Pre-release

Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis.... by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 02:43 · Score: 0

I'm logged into ftp.gnome.org and ftp.jimpick.com
right now and I don't see any 1.0pre tarballs or
RPMs anywhere!?!

Eh...I think someone just wants to give the admin
of ftp.gnome.org headaches first thing in the
morning. ;)

gnomebug by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 02:50 · Score: 0

I have gnome 0.99.3. When I tried to run it with Enlightenment, every time I restarted the WM, panel started cloning itself leaving multiple copies of itself on the screen. Anybody else have this problem? Has it been fixed?

Will

Hmm by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 02:51 · Score: 0

'Curiousity killed the cat' is all the
gnome-1.0-pre directory says and its empty :/

Nice to see. (at last) by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 03:03 · Score: 0

I just hope that the two projects (GNOME and KDE)
can start agreeing on desktop standards (i.e.
CORBA ORBs and interaction, document models, etc.)

Speed by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 03:13 · Score: 0

Hummm...KDE is far faster on my computer (p2 266 96M).

Are gnome-list archives available as a text files? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 03:16 · Score: 0

(just a little off topic)

Is it possible to get anywhere (via ftp) the archives of the main gnome-list as a big text file (to be read offline), possibly separated by month? It's very slow to try to read it online in html by constantly clicking on "next message".

Canada consumed by the US? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 03:17 · Score: 0

jimpick.com is listed as being in the US. I wasn't aware that Canada has become the 51st state.

YAAC - Yet Another Anonymous Coward

GTK Invallid window by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 03:17 · Score: 0

I've been using gnome for about 2 weeks now, and the panel just keeps on quitting with messages like GTK window unexpectedly destroyed, invalid window, ...

Does anyone else have this kind of problem? Could someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong?

I got the same thing from tarballs as from rpms.

Thanks,

Axel

Enlightenment's cleaning up its act by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 03:19 · Score: 0

It's ditched the "overdone superslick
interface" for a much more useful feel. Once you
turn off all the superflous default junk and
switch to something like BrushedMetal-Tigert as
your theme, it's just as fast as any other
window manager.

One thing bugging me: It seems that if I
am in enlightenment and I open up an xterm and
do shutdown -rf now, it loses my enlightenment
config. Maybe I need a newer snapshot..

One request for the GNOME people by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 03:20 · Score: 0

(And the KDE people as well)

a gnome-install package would be very important
and useful.

What I refer to is what you have to do to build
a particular GNOME release -- there should be
a gnome-install package that you build, which
would then handle all the autocnf'ing and
build things in the right order.

Choice and journalists by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 03:44 · Score: 0

No, now the fact that Linux has TWO powerful desktops will be a BAD thing. (TM)

"The average computer user can't learn two desktops, it's too complicated for them"

And of course, they will assume that apps from one are incompatible with the other

RE: Choice and journalists by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 05:23 · Score: 0

"And of course, they will assume that apps from one are incompatible with the other "

I'm not an expert in this, but while the core of the applications may not be incompatable, is it not true that features which make use of integration with the desktop enviornment may be incompatable (unless an app is written to support both)?

KDE and Gnome by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 03:48 · Score: 0

I've used KDE since the first 1.0 Beta. I really like 1.1, and it is not slow at all on my 233mhz PII laptop.

I just tried GNOME 0.99.8 the other day for the first time. I admit was more impressed than I thought I would be.

I think I'll run both...

Canada consumed by the US? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:00 · Score: 0

And perhaps all the American domains should be suffixed with .us.

Nice to see. (at last) by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:07 · Score: 0

gnome is a very nice c api, and kde is a very nice c++ api.. they are a perfect match, they complement each other very well.. I hope the gnome/kde developers see this too..

.. but I dont think they do, the gnome people probably refuse to even think about c++, and still think that qt is un-free..
and the kde bunch are probably just too proud..

(?)

gnomebug by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:07 · Score: 0

Interesting. I only get it with enlightenment. It behaves properly with Window Maker.

Will

Are they ready...? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:10 · Score: 0

read the title

WM is there man by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:11 · Score: 0

I'd like to point out that WindowMaker is both GNOME and KDE compliant :^)

Canada consumed by the US? Should be by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:11 · Score: 0

Canada could use a real government. Maybe get some *real* businesss running up there.

Enlightenment's cleaning up its act by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:13 · Score: 0

Try exiting enlightenment and THEN shutting down?

kde/gnome interoperability by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:16 · Score: 0

How does CORBA provide ``interoperability'' if everyone has to use the same ORB to work together?

Are gnome-list archives available as a text files? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:19 · Score: 0

if the gnome list is managed by majordomo,you can use this command to see all the archive and other files available for download:

index gnome-list

here's the usual address to send majordomo commands:

majordomo@"the domain of the gnome list"

sorry,i don't know the exact address.

Canadian AC

gnomebug by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:27 · Score: 0

I'm guessing that you're using gnome-session...? you have to be careful, because gnome-session will re-start every application that you had running when you logged out of the session manager. WindowMaker also has the option to launch applications on startup.... so, if for example, WindowMaker is set to launch an xterm on startup, and you logged out of gnome with xterm running, then you will have 2 running next time you fire it up (one saved by the session, one launched by the WM)

Clear as mud? :)

RPMs? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:33 · Score: 0

Are there any RPMs of this release of GNOME available yet?

Canada consumed by the US? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:37 · Score: 0

The US imperialism is falling !
Japan will be the new powerfullest country
cause they've got money ! :)

And China will replace Russia

What about the Window Manager???? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:44 · Score: 0

Actually, if you use the Step theme with gtk
(I don't remember the URL, goto themes.org), and
use Window Maker, it looks quite good and fairly
consistent. In my setup, I replaced the dock/clip
with gnome panels. One particularly anal gripe I
have with the gnome panel is how it does not
render the graphics smoothly. I'm wondering if this
is a config thing? It's not the icons, cuz Window
Maker makes 'em look nice. (This is most noticable
in the shadow part of icons, like the gnome foot.)

kde/gnome interoperability by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:48 · Score: 0

CORBA provides an optional standard prtocol (GIOP/IIOP, if I'm not mixing terms) which allows any ORB which implement it to talk to any other ORB.

CORBA proposefully leaves the intra-process "calling convention" (so to speak), open in order to let different ORB's do as best as they can to take advantage of their operating environment (actually, an ORB is allowed to implement any protocol it wishes to implement as long as it defines its interfaces according to the CORBA standard).

The bottom line is that the GNOME and KDE objects can probably speak to each other (even without pre-agreeing on the object's interfaces) via the standard IIOP (if their ORB's support it), but it would be MUCH faster for them to agree on the same ORB and take advantage of its "specialized" speedup.

Wait for GTK+ 1.2 by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:48 · Score: 0

I strongly agree. As far as GNOME 1.0, I've used nearly every 99.x version available, and to be completely honest, there are still some major MFing issues, i hope they dont blow their load and release this thing too early

Problems Compiling by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:55 · Score: 0

When ./configure'ing gnome-libs, I get the following error:

Checking for GTK version >= 1.1.15...***GTK+ Header files version (1.0.2) do not match

*** library (version 1.1.16)
no
configure: error: GTK not installed

My initial guess is this is a matter of removing certain symlinks or deleting the old header files from the paths returned by gtk-config --cflags.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks ;^)

GNOME or KDE or MOTIF or WHATEVER ??? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:56 · Score: 0

I've just installed RH Linux (with barely working
X windows); and I'm starting to think about
which Desktop Environment to use. (As long as
I can telnet,ftp, and browse I'll probably be
happy). I'll probably download all of 'em and
try 'em all out; BUT ... what do you think?
I don't care which one "sucks" more; what are
the pros and cons and future of the various
Desktop Environments ???
-rfinney

where Enlightenment? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 04:57 · Score: 0

I've been using Window Maker, but tried out E lately, and it seems really nice.
What I as a user of Linux would *love* to see would be a
coordinated effort to make an effective and cohesive theme set
that went across E and all the gnome apps taking icons into account.
There is some nice work in copying existing look-n-feel (Be or Mac are nice)
but I think it would be cool if there were a distinctly Linux one,
well thought out and polished. It's neat and all using something that
"looks like" NeXT. I would love to be able to use something
else that is as effective, but is all Linux and nobody else. I know
there are other WM's, but gnome enables the look-n-feel across the apps.

Try cp by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 05:05 · Score: 0

Open an xterm and try "cp". If you know
how to type and can read the man page for
cp; you'll find that it's better and faster
than any GUI. Oh yeah, the file manager
in Windows is lame cuz they don't give you
the full file names. It has a tendency to
chop off the extension if it's not a "recognized"
extension. Forget that noise. BILL GATES,
STOP DOING US YOUR STUPID "FAVORS" !!!
-ac

already have those by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 05:23 · Score: 0

I was talking about the 1.0 prerelease...

What ??? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 05:36 · Score: 0

What are you talking about? Motif rocks!
I run Motif and CDE on all my machines,
wouldn't go near KDE or GNOME again.

Someone just jumped the gun.. by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 05:37 · Score: 0

This was not yet meant to be announced to general public, the directroy was a "staging directory" for GNOME crew to accumulate 1.0 tarballs before 1.0-pre release.

Problems Compiling - I'm on Slack3.5, 2.2.1 by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 05:37 · Score: 0

Thanks, but unfortunately, I'm running Slackware 3.5 w/ 2.2.1.

If there are any knowledgeable Slack-folks out there who would know the locations of the files AC mentioned are, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks again

Vapourware! by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 05:40 · Score: 0

GNOME 1.0.0pre is literally vapourware! :-)

Motif's big advantage by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 06:04 · Score: 0

Motif's big advantage is documentation. Currently, GTK+ has mostly documentation-by-example, which is inadequate for any reasonably complex software. Even Qt's docos are inferior to the massive volumes available for Motif. I realize that docs are for wimps, and that only four or five of us out here actually read them, but for us few wimps, Motif still rules in the doc department.

I realize that several folks are working to change this, and I applaud their efforts. That doesn't keep me from being impatient. I want to use Gtk+, I just can't figure out how to make it do all the things I can already do in Motif.

no rob, you aren't dreaming. by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 06:08 · Score: 0

> cd gnome-1.0-pre/

> ls

ORBit-0.4.0.tar.gz gnome-media-1.0.0.tar.gz
audiofile-0.1.6.tar.gz gnome-network-1.0.0.tar.gz
control-center-1.0.0.tar.gz gnome-objc-1.0.0.tar.gz
ee-0.3.8.tar.gz gnome-pim-1.0.0.tar.gz
esound-0.2.8.tar.gz gnome-python-1.0.0.tar.gz
gnome-admin-1.0.0.tar.gz gnome-utils-1.0.0.tar.gz
gnome-audio-1.0.tar.gz gnumeric-0.15.tar.gz
gnome-core-1.0.0.tar.gz gtop-1.0.0.tar.gz
gnome-games-1.0.0.tar.gz imlib-1.9.4.tar.gz
gnome-guile-1.0.0.tar.gz libgtop-1.0.0.tar.gz
gnome-libs-1.0.0.tar.gz mc-4.5.21.tar.gz

gnomeftp.wgn.net

What's the State Flag of Canada? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 06:34 · Score: 0

Whazzat-- a marijuana leaf?

Stupid Question, but by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 06:40 · Score: 0

I'm running WindowMaker with all the fun dock-apps. Question: what would KDE or Gnome give me that I don't already have?

The phenomenon is called "hype" by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 07:15 · Score: 0

It really surpizes me how much hype there can be in the
free software world. I thought that there wouldn't
be much incentive to hype something, and expected
things to be judged on their technical merit. For most
things it works like this but for Gnome certainly not.
Gnome gets hyped beyond recognition and is presented
as the next great thing that everyone will use.

Try... by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 07:28 · Score: 0

>Also try Qt for development. Then compare to GTK. Dump GTK.

Dump GTK? What are all these mindless coders gonna
do if they have no more callback functions to type in? Their
code would be only 50% in size, reducing much of their
prestige. The code would become actually readable. They
would have to think about the design instead of just coding
as you go.

I like pyGTK though

Try... by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 07:41 · Score: 0

Also try Qt for development. Then compare to GTK. Dump GTK.

try Qt -> try GTK -> try GTK-- if you prefer C++

I do quite like programming with Qt ( despite myself... aagh....) , however, it is far less configurable at the user end than gnome, and some users like fiddling, just as long as there are reasonable, comprehensive defaults set which mean they don't have to.
( Like Amiga MUI - the default look was quite nice, and tied in well with the MagicWB Icon
set,which was designed for 8-color screens, but when the power users started switching to NewIcons icons on truecolor workbench screens, more colorful MUI "themes" were produced. hell...
even the windoze themes aren't an entirely fucked up idea, it's just a shame that so many people think mickeysoft thought of it.

Stupid Question, but here's the answer by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 07:49 · Score: 0

A desktop environment will generally give you session management, common high-level dialogs, print services, a help help/documentation system, component architecture....

On the North Pole. by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 07:50 · Score: 0

We should just roll the tanks into Canada, take the whole country, dissolve the government, and then give it back.

Enlightenment's cleaning up its act by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 08:01 · Score: 0

The annoying thing is that the same thing happens to me ( it loses "action class blocks" whatever they are ;) ) when I just use logout from the gnome-panel. What gives? surely they should at least talk to eachother? I did think I was running it in the gnome-approved fashion :

/usr/bin/enlightenment & exec gnome-session

I do think that having to manually shut down enlightenment before logging out with the panel is silly, and will need to be addressed before it could be called ready for the big wide world of idiot users....

powerfuller maybe by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 08:09 · Score: 0

but not the -est

Some KDE features that I use by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 08:14 · Score: 0

KDE gives you a fast webbrowser with builtin file
managment. You can dump files or URLs on your
desktop for temporary storage for example. It is a
different way of doing things that works very handy.
Or you can put a set of html docs in tar.gz format in
a desktop icon - just click it and it's decompressed and
displayed. Or click on the cdrom icon - the CD gets
automatically mounted and the contents are displayed
in the filemanager. Or dump a PS file on the printer icon -
it gets printed. Click on the printer icon to see the printque.

Then there's a nice panel that goes out of the way when not
used (configurable), same for the taskbar. Nice for saving
screen real estate while still having the functionality at hand.
The disknavigator is great too for browsing your files.

Then there's a lot of apps with consistant look and feel, they
are high quality and come with multilanguage HTML help.

This is just a sample of what's there.
Basically KDE offers a nice alternative to doing things the
old way. And don't think it's all pointy click cause KDE is
in fact very well keyboard navigateble. I think it's very
well though out and I really like it.

Did they ever provide a smaller Panel, Icon Size? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 08:14 · Score: 0

GNOME's loopy giant 100x100 panel was the most obviously screen hogging piece of fluff that I have ever seen. Did they ever put in code to allow for a smaller Panel?

GNOMEs graphics and interface developers seem to be a bunch of 21 inch monitor owning artists who have no consideration for real life use of a GUI.

Someone please explain to people who use 14 inch monitors are going to want half of their screen wasted with this load a pretty looking bullshit fluff.

Careful with that 1.0 by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 08:39 · Score: 0

At least Infomagic didn't grab it, slap it on a CD, and ship it for 3 months before realizing it wasn't actually released yet...

so put the panel on autohide by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 08:53 · Score: 0

a real-life solution for real-life use

If you insist on being a C++ bigot... by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 08:56 · Score: 0

Then why don't you compare to gtk--? After all, that would give you a fairer comparison. But then again, you're not after a fair comparison, are you...

Memory! by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 09:09 · Score: 0

I'm running GNOME and Enlightenment with fancy themes on a Pentium 100 with 40MB ram and 10MB swap...

it runs great!

I like Window Maker with Gnome by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 09:25 · Score: 0

Ewwwww .. the dock AND the panel? Sounds a wee bit schizophrenic - on one bit of your desktop you double-click and if the program's already running it brings it to the foreground, on the other you single-click and it always starts a new instance of the program ..

Nice filemanager too but... by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 09:40 · Score: 0

You might want to try finding an X server that actually supports your hardware .. if you look at the display adapter section in Windows' device manager and it lists something other than 'standard display adapter,' that's why X is not running as smoothly as Windows.

Try cp by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 09:51 · Score: 0

a) Explorer doesn't show file extensions if it RECOGNIZES the extension, not the other way around.

b) This is the default setting and it can be changed (by clicking on the view menu and choosing options).

c) I know how to use cp; I also know how to use find, grep, awk, sed, perl, vi, chmod, chgrp, ldconfig, ldd, tar .. but sometimes I don't want to. I use the GUI and the command line in approximately equal proportion, and I'm glad I've got them both.

What I really mean to say is, shut your goddamn piehole.

-nixon

Why GNOME? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 09:55 · Score: 0

GNU is about freedom not choice.

One request for gnome 1.0 FINAL by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 10:01 · Score: 0

Please, please, please code an installed that works for distros other than redhat. This is my biggest bitch about GNOME, playing the RPM update game. I'm not so imcompetant that I cannot do it, I'm using 0.99.8 with E right now, its just that It would be so much better if gnome installed easily, and without any need for --nodeps --force.

Stupid Question, but by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 10:11 · Score: 0

KDE gives you a great file manager (except for its braindead method for binding an extension to an application). Both KDE and GNOME would give you several aesthetically pleasing and useful utilities (or at least aesthetically pleasing compared with the Athena widget set).

..

It would be extremely nice to have a NeXT-like file manager to go with WindowMaker .. I know that there are some out there, but none of them quite do it right.

-nixon

Speed by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 10:27 · Score: 0

You mean browsing the web or downloading files with KDE becomes faster when you change the window manager? What has the window manager to do with applications?

Or are you refering to the speed when moving windows around? Truely a great benchmark for the speed of a desktop system....

Only works for one application by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 12:14 · Score: 0

You have to do this once for every application.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any way to disable this universally.

Gui and command lines both too slow... by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 13:16 · Score: 0

Gui and command lines are both too slow. Need some kind of direct brain interface.

I am not kidding.

x

Time for a poll? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 13:25 · Score: 0

I've noticed that a lot of people here seem to be running both GNOME and KDE apps. Perhaps a poll with the options:

() I run KDE
() I run GNOME
() I run both KDE and GNOME applications
() Desktop Environments suck / I use a terminal
() Huh?

Disabling comments might be a good idea...

Canada, America, same thing... (i.e whatever) by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 13:38 · Score: 0

"HappyHead" writes:

Now of course, we're working on a much more subversive counter-invasion, by sending a large portion of our 'retired' comunity to take up residence in Florida, which will soon be declared the 11th Province of Canada, by virtue of it having a larger population of Canadians than Americans. (Or was that third territory? I can never keep that plan straight.) More info on our various invasion fronts can be found...

Ah yes, well... it's good to have a hobby.

I just hope that for the sake of myself and all other Amercans, that not all Canadians have as much free time on their hands as you seem to have. ;-)

Memory! Save some by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 14:27 · Score: 0

Very wrong. I have only 32 megs of memory on a Pentium 200 MMX. Runnuing KDE with kwm with 4 virtual desktops all full of apps AND using kfm for internet browsing my 80 meg swap partioton is only about 5% used and there is enough free memory for a huge ram cache.

Further, I have no special optimization for speed or size though I could have done that using the pgcc compiler switches.

I think GNOME will be somewhat faster because it doesn't use C++ for so many things (some GNOME apps may, but not the system). Still, KDE is very quick. The speed has dramatically improved from versiion 1.0 to 1.1.

I'll keep using KDE apps (usually with icewm instead of kwm) until gtk 1.2 is released. I refuse to write programs using an unstable branch of this toolkit or to use ANY apps that require gtk1.1x instead of gtk1.0x, unless they are statically linked.

The gtk developers have REALLY screwed up by encouraging people to develop using unstable libraries that break apps based on the stable branch. This could have been EASILY avoided with a few #ifdefs in the source and headers. What a bad example for application programmers like myself out there. It's so incredibly bad that sometiems I think the Gtk team is a bunch of glue-sniffing morons. Still, the toolkit is pretty good and fun to use. The documentation is incredibly bad, by the way. The only way to find out what is going on, really, is to analyze the source.

Slightly off topic regarding the post I'm responding to (but not to the article) Linux will not have 2 desktops but one. That desktop is X.
Any app which requires that either Gnome or Kde is running for the app to run will NOT be on my desktop. Fortunately most apps which can take advantage of the "extras" provided by Gnome or Kde can also run without loading the whole subsystem, and I hope it stays that way.

The current X desktop with a good filemanager and perhaps drag and drop is fine. If Gnome and Kde want to enhance that some, that's ok but unless and until a standard, integrated desktop for Linux replaces what we now have as X and diversity is not possible, I WANT diversity.

Problems Compiling - I'm on Slack3.5, 2.2.1 by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 14:57 · Score: 0

Yes, being on slack is the problem. Format your Linux partition and install a real distribution. It might then be somewhat easier to install and compile current software. Being on slack is like being on smack.

There are special rehabilitation workshops for Slackware users and support groups help them deal with the trauma of adjusting to Linux circa 1999. I know it may take some time to work out these issues, but it't not hopeless.

Get Bob out of your life!

GTK+ and GLIB 1.2 released by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 18:13 · Score: 0

subject says it all--for those of you concerned about 1.1.x stability issues...found it at gtk.org.

Anyone Else Worried? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 20:34 · Score: 0

Switch to decaff.

Did you know that "trey" is the nickname Bill Gates (William Gates the third) had as a young man?

Try...styles vs themes by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-25 23:44 · Score: 0

Qt ( despite myself... aagh....) , however, it is far less configurable at the user end than gnome

This may be true for Qt 1.xx, but Qt 2.x styles are much more powerful/flexible than gtk themes.
Gtk themes are more of a quick (and slow) hack at the moment, as gtk wasn't originally designed for it. Not comparable to MUI.
Qt 2 themes let you draw buttons/widgets in any way you want, while Gtk themes can only change the look and shape of widgets, not their 'geometry' (i.e. where they are placed, e.g. rollbar 'grips' at the bottom instead of the middle).

Thus, Qt 2 and KDE 1.2 are ahead of Gnome even in this respect.
(And BTW, KDE 1.1 is much more configurable than 1.0)

KDE 1.1 faster than Gnome, KDE 1.0 slower by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-26 00:04 · Score: 0

...and similar things can be said about memory consumption.

KDE 1.1 is *considerably* faster here (esp. kwm and kfm) than KDE 1.0, and it seems to need quite a bit less memory as well.

Gnome 99.7 seemed slower, and as for memory consumption, it depends heavily on how much panel apps you're using (and on your E config). These Corba apps eat mem like hell.

For all of you trying to compare speed and features, upgrade to KDE 1.1 first!
It's really a big difference!

Nice to see. (at last) by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-26 00:09 · Score: 0

there is always gtk--..

But no Gnome--!
Gnome c++ bindings are unusable. Gtk-- is a bit lame, but usable. Still it is not enough.

Maybe it would be a good idea to provide for a "KDE support lib" for gtk.

kde/gnome - object models by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-26 00:14 · Score: 0

What I don't like is Gnome coming up with yet another object model.
KOM/OpenParts is mature, portable and tk independent, available since last summer, used heavily in KOffice and does all you need.

Baboon is not even ready yet, incompatible to KOM/OP, and developers do not seem interested in cooperating with the KDE crowd.
At least they should provide good wrappers for KOM/OP-Baboon interoperability, so that you can use KOffice Parts in Gnome and vice versa..

Windoze-ish looks? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-26 00:18 · Score: 0

My KDE doesn't look like Windows at all, and certainly less so than the Gnome default.

Sure, the KDE default looks a bit like OS/2 and Win, but nobody forces you to stay with that.

Just use the Motif style, install a funky KWM theme or use Window Maker (KDE compliant since 0.50), or one of the other KDE compliat WMs.

one more thing... by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-26 01:34 · Score: 0

You can see a few by lowering your threshold... (maybe censorship isn't ALWAYS bad, is it... :)

Why GNOME? by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-26 01:36 · Score: 0

No, GNU is about something called GNU/Linux. You know, that's the operating system you're (I think) using. You see, GNU software is all around the kernel that Linux developed. No GNU, no "Linux" operating system.

GNU==RMS. You might want to go read "Open Sources", at least a few chapters, and find out how the whole system got started. You might have a clue after that as to why there are still licensing problems with QT.

BTW, the LInux kernel code does NOT belong to many people. Like all the GNU software that comprise the typical Linux systems, the code BELONGS to NO ONE.

ummmmmm by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-26 01:37 · Score: 0

gtk-- contains gnome--

GNOME sucks & KDE sucks even more. GTK+ rules! by Anonymous Coward · 1999-02-26 06:39 · Score: 0

Yes that's right. As a C lover and C++ hater i really dislike that Qt style pseudo-OO objects. Give me CLOS (Common Lisp Object System over that anyday)!

GTK+ uses good and sound OO principles, despite some stuff in GTK+ (like GdkRbg & GtkThemes) looking like it needs lots of work to fit the "GTK+ style".

Principle one:
since Qt sucks KDE sucks.
Principle too:
GNOME sucks.

Why GNOME sucks? When apps like GTop require some 4 LIBRARIES something must be wrong. Also the whole thing even doesn't compile without fidding (at least until GNOME 0.99.7).

GdkImlib sucks because Rasterman doesn't know that GdkImlib should actually use Gdk and NOT Xlib. This makes porting to platforms other than X more difficult than needed.
Just look at Electric Eyes... it's supposedly a GTK+ app but it uses Xlib all over the place!
Learn to use GDK Rasterman. You can code some damned stylish apps & all but debugging and portability aren't your cup of tea.

GNOME is a good C name space polluter if you ask me.

Make ONE library for non X utility functions, another for X drawing, another for widgets and another for corba. Make the interface consistent.

Do NOT rush GNOME 1.0.0 out. Or you'll be sorry when you'll need to clean up the mess you made every program on earth uses that. (The Intel x86 effect).

GTK+ rules forever!

Anyone Else Worried? by chkdsk · 1999-02-25 04:18 · Score: 1

Microsoft Windows is at version "98" and it is not stable as well. I also hear that they are upping the version number (yet again) to "2000". Will it be stable? If the trend continues, probably not.

Maybe 10 years ago I'd have believed you... by Wakko+Warner · 1999-02-25 05:30 · Score: 1

But Japan's fucking _poor_ today.

- A.P.
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Wait for GTK+ 1.2 by servo8 · 1999-02-25 17:25 · Score: 1

Gtk 1.2 is out.

Memory! 48MB is fine for KDE by HoserHead · 1999-02-25 09:32 · Score: 1

The only problems with speed I've had, are when the kernel doesn't pick up any memory above 16MB.

In those cases (on Compaqs as far as I've seen, even with 2.2 they have trouble) just tell Linux how much memory you have. You can do it by passing the command-line arguments mem=96M (for example, 96 megabytes) on the LILO bootprompt or in the append line of your lilo.conf.. eg,

append="mem=96M"

Hope this helps. ;)

I was wrong by Ripley · 1999-02-25 03:22 · Score: 1

ftp://ftp.jimpick.com/pub/mirrors/gnome/sources/gn ome-1.0-pre/ does have a bunch of 1.0.0 files in it.

Are they really ready? by gavinhall · 1999-02-25 04:12 · Score: 1

Posted by OGL:

I love gnome and use it all the time (along with some KDE apps), but I'm wondering if they're actually ready for a 1.0 release. The whole thing just strikes me as incomplete...the file manager crashes ALL the time, and there are tons of bugs that never get fixed, such as the menu editor crashing when you delete the last item in a folder. In addition, there are tons of features marked "TODO" or "not implemented," and there's practically no documentation for anything....95% of the apps just have an "about..." box on the help menu. To sum up GNOME has promise, but they should be at 0.5, not 1.0.

-W.W.

Not Enough Flames by gavinhall · 1999-02-25 04:20 · Score: 1

Posted by Buffy the Overflow Slayer:

What's amatter with everybody? This is about GNOME!
So, where is the GNOME vs KDE flames? Come on,
this is slashdot, so don't ruin its reputation
by being civil and mature.

-Buffy :-)

Where's this Canada place anyways? by gavinhall · 1999-02-25 04:54 · Score: 1

Posted by F.A.N.G.:

Exactly where is this Canada place?
Seriously, I went on an archeological dig in Central America a few years back, and by chance the team was mostly Canadians. They thought they could make me mad by calling Americans savages and brutes. Kinda funny coming from all these smelly hippy women with moustaches. Finally they asked me what Americans thought about Canadians. I said "We don't." They talked to me no more. It was very obvious to me by the end of the dig that Canada's WHOLE identity is based on NOT being American.

"WM is there man" er...no.... by zerblat · 1999-02-25 22:18 · Score: 1

What version of WM are you using? And are you sure you have Gnome support compiled in? Didn't think so. In using WM version 0.51 w/ Gnome support and gnomepager_applet is working just fine.

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Strange by zerblat · 1999-02-25 22:27 · Score: 1

AM I missing something here? Why aren't there any GNOME SUX AND KDE RULZ vs KDE SUX AND GNOME RULZ threads?

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References on X/DEs/window managers? by Eccles · 1999-02-25 09:33 · Score: 1

Can anyone point me to a good description of exactly how X, Gnome, KDE, window managers, GnuStep, et al fit together? Some sort of layered block diagram with OS, layered by X, etc. would be extremely helpful to this somewhat confused person.

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Choice and journalists by jimbo · 1999-02-25 02:41 · Score: 1

Ahh, soon we will have two desktop environments to choose from. Wonderful.

No more reviews of linux that speaks of the lack of DE, just because they have chosen to test a distribution that comes without a DE (usually Redhat).
Because of GNOME and KDE all the big distributions will soon ship with a DE of choice.

And the more experienced users can choose one, the other, none or even mix them.

Life is good.

Wait for GTK+ 1.2 by Daverz · 1999-02-25 10:47 · Score: 1

The Gtk development branch has been in feature freeze for a while and is quite stable. Since you can install Gtk 1.1.16 and still keep the old Gtk 1.0.6 DLL around for GIMP, there really is no reason not to upgrade.

Not compelling yet... by Daverz · 1999-02-25 11:14 · Score: 1

I've been following gnome and learning Gtk (Gnome API is next) for a while, but I don't have a compelling need for it either. Also, I use 800x600 on my laptop, and there's not a lot of space for extra doodads. I'd say the same for KDE.

Speed by Daniel · 1999-02-25 08:24 · Score: 1

Ummm, there was no Gnome 0.5. Like the ~17 days one year that never happened because the calendar was resynced.. (when was that?)

Daniel