SO the guy isn't a linux user. So what? He makes a great point that was well thought out and took alot of his time to type it.
rant? hardly. you're the one ranting. He was very calm and rational and logical.
So he uses windows. so what? it works for him.
clue: Many people who use Windows are very intelligent people.
Personally, I have no problem with Windows as a "recreational" OS for playing games and such. I dislike the company that makes it, and I despise thier business practices, but the OS is not evil in and of itself.
OPEN YOUR EYES, PEOPLE. Red Hat CANNOT PULL MICROSOFT TRICKS. Everything in RedHat Linux is GPLed!
I like the fact that it runs on many platforms, and that the executable is small.
So I can fit the Linux, winNT and win98 executables all one one floppy, and my scripts, too, so I can run them on any machine I need to (those are all the OS's we use at work) all from the same floppy, with no istallation of the lanquage on the local computer needed? (it stays on the floppy with the scripts)
I think that's cool. usefull, at least.
But I really don't want to learn a new language.. I'm still learning Perl (does anyone ever STOP learning perl?) and Perl is already on the Linux machines.. so:
Is there a Perl for Win98/NT that will fit on a floppy?
My activestate 514 installation on win98 is a total of 15 MB, the bin folder 1.4 MB.
Anyone know the minimum I need? That would be cool to have a Mostly complete Perl in my pocket on a floppy. It would make things easier when I work on Win32 machines...
I just installed Perl/Tk yesterday. Got the book (Learning Perl/Tk) earlier today. Wrote a program already. (really just added a GUI to an existing program).
It's a good book, and very informative. I spent all last night fooling with Perl/Tk, and searching the web for good online introductory material. It was slim pickins, let me tell ya.
I got more done after spending 20 minutes reading the book than I did with 4 hours of searching and trial and error.
Combine Perl/Tk with perl2exe, and who needs VB? Now my exact same Perl/Tk program can run on Linux or Win32, and if they don't have Perl installed, I just perl2exe it!
VB who?
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I thought "Learning Perl" was great. At that time (a year ago) I had never used a *nix system, ever. I had tried Perl but was confused by it's Unix slant. Learning Perl On Win32 systems helped me out alot.
It was Perl, more than anything else, that got me into Unix, and hence, Linux.
I got more out of chapter one than I do out of most computer books...
What have we all learned here? At the risk (certanty) of pissing off the pro-education people (of which my father is one).
COLLEGE IS FOR SUCKS
Everything I know about computers I have taught myself, starting with TRS-80 BASIC back in 1980 when I was 10 years old.
Especially today, with the free flow if information on the internet, it is easy to teach yourself.
Then get a job. You say you need a college degree for this. Only if you have NO people skills. Or if you want to work at MS or some other big company. If you can talk someone into giving you a job, THEN you have EXPERIENCE. one you have experience, your next job is in the bag.
Granted, if you want to work at a big comapany and be a slave to the man, you DO need a college degree. But there are plenty of ways to make $$ in computers without having to work 9-5, wear a tie, answer to a boss who has no clue, etc...
To those of you who DO have college degrees in a computer-related field -- how much of what you learned in class do you actually USE? And how much of what you learned on your own do you use?
Anyway. I hated college, for many of the reason stated at length by previous posters. I dropped out, taught myself what I needed/wanted to know, and now I make a great living in the computer field, and things are looking better every day. I work my own hours, I take the clients that *I* want to take, and I wear jeans and sandals to the office.
There are so MANY jobs in the computer field, and so MANY people (most w/ degrees) that have NO CLUE what they are doing, that anyone who does have a clue, degree or not, can get hired.
Downloaded the GNOME 1.0 RPMS (well, at least they were in a folder labeled 1.0...) followed the installation directions from the website EXACTLY, and I get failed dependancies.
Fuck it. I got no time to mess with this. KDE 1.1 installed in about 30 seconds, no problems. works great. I'll stick w/ KDE.
Seriously, if "regular" computer users are gonna use Linux, the whole install process has to be easy and actually WORK.
how about you just use Win98 for the ONE thing it *is* good for? Playing games.
I applaud the efforts of those who want to port/write drivers/etc for games on Linux. But I code all day at work. When I get home I just wanna frag some ass and go to bed.
Linux 4 work, win98 4 play. Everything has it's place.
I use Linux at work, for FTP and DNS. I use NT for webserving (not my choice). I put RH Linux on a partition of my harddrive at home (shared w/ win98) but I never really use it.
I love Linux at work. The box sits in the corner and never gives me any grief. No complaints, no problems. Just work work work all day long.
NT I have to re-boot and generally be more "hands-on"
But at home, I wanna do two things: Play games (quake II) and watch the porn I download from newsgroups. Linux doesn't support many games, and though it runs quakeII, not with GL support. (not w/ my card anyway) and Xanim doesn't support 1/2 the codecs that windows media player does. Also, I can't seem to get any ICQ programs to work. So I have to re-boot Win98 once or twice a day? I don't work on it, I PLAY on it.
Linux is a great OS. But it's gonna be AT LEAST a year, probably more, until it becomes a decent RECREATIONAL machine as well as the solid workhorse it already is.
And let's face it, Microsoft has brought computing to the masses. If it wasn't for the fact that hundreds of thousands of people bought their first computer this year, and over 1/2 of american homes now have one, how many of us would have jobs? I wouldn't. A website needs an audience.
My first computer was a TRS-80 model II. It had 4K of RAM and a regular cassette deck to load the programs in OFF A CASSETTE TAPE! we had to UPGRADE to 16K (K!!) to get a floppy drive. That was 1980. MS-DOS courtesy of Bill Gates. BASIC language built in. If I hadn't burned programing concepts into my little 10-year old head back in 1980 with BASIC, would I be as good w/ computers today? As EMPLOYABLE?
Bill Gates was a geek in the basement once, too, ya know. Before he turned to the dark side...
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hedrek you are a fool.
SO the guy isn't a linux user. So what? He makes a great point that was well thought out and took alot of his time to type it.
rant? hardly. you're the one ranting. He was very calm and rational and logical.
So he uses windows. so what? it works for him.
clue: Many people who use Windows are very intelligent people.
Personally, I have no problem with Windows as a "recreational" OS for playing games and such. I dislike the company that makes it, and I despise thier business practices, but the OS is not evil in and of itself.
OPEN YOUR EYES, PEOPLE.
Red Hat CANNOT PULL MICROSOFT TRICKS. Everything in RedHat Linux is GPLed!
>As someone once pointed out, /.'s motto should be changed to "Gossip for nerds. Stuff that matters."
:)
And we love slashdot for it!
screw jerry springer. This thread is WAY more entertaining that that..
I use both KDE and GNOME, as the mood stikes me.
and I find KDE-GNOME wars like this immensly entertaining.
Flame on!
One of the most irritating is aliasing the rm command to rm -i so it keeps asking if you're sure every time
:-) -geekd
God I hate that!
When I was a new user I couldn't work out how to get rid of this irritating setting
Please tell this new user how you did so before this new user goes crazy...(y [enter] y [enter] y [enter] arg!) thanks
I like the fact that it runs on many platforms, and that the executable is small.
So I can fit the Linux, winNT and win98 executables all one one floppy, and my scripts, too, so I can run them on any machine I need to (those are all the OS's we use at work) all from the same floppy, with no istallation of the lanquage on the local computer needed? (it stays on the floppy with the scripts)
I think that's cool. usefull, at least.
But I really don't want to learn a new language.. I'm still learning Perl (does anyone ever STOP learning perl?) and Perl is already on the Linux machines.. so:
Is there a Perl for Win98/NT that will fit on a floppy?
My activestate 514 installation on win98 is a total of 15 MB, the bin folder 1.4 MB.
Anyone know the minimum I need? That would be cool to have a Mostly complete Perl in my pocket on a floppy. It would make things easier when I work on Win32 machines...
thanks
-geekd
Its a horrible experience, i try and keep back on the updates but...
So don't upgrade unless you need to.
What's the big deal? I'm still running 2.0.36 on some of my machines. They run good.
If it aint broke, don't fix it.
I just installed Perl/Tk yesterday. Got the book (Learning Perl/Tk) earlier today. Wrote a program already. (really just added a GUI to an existing program).
It's a good book, and very informative. I spent all last night fooling with Perl/Tk, and searching the web for good online introductory material. It was slim pickins, let me tell ya.
I got more done after spending 20 minutes reading the book than I did with 4 hours of searching and trial and error.
Combine Perl/Tk with perl2exe, and who needs VB? Now my exact same Perl/Tk program can run on Linux or Win32, and if they don't have Perl installed, I just perl2exe it!
VB who?
I thought "Learning Perl" was great. At that time (a year ago) I had never used a *nix system, ever. I had tried Perl but was confused by it's Unix slant. Learning Perl On Win32 systems helped me out alot.
It was Perl, more than anything else, that got me into Unix, and hence, Linux.
I got more out of chapter one than I do out of most computer books...
'course I already had a good base in c/c++...
So.
What have we all learned here? At the risk (certanty) of pissing off the pro-education people (of which my father is one).
COLLEGE IS FOR SUCKS
Everything I know about computers I have taught myself, starting with TRS-80 BASIC back in 1980 when I was 10 years old.
Especially today, with the free flow if information on the internet, it is easy to teach yourself.
Then get a job. You say you need a college degree for this. Only if you have NO people skills. Or if you want to work at MS or some other big company. If you can talk someone into giving you a job, THEN you have EXPERIENCE. one you have experience, your next job is in the bag.
Granted, if you want to work at a big comapany and be a slave to the man, you DO need a college degree. But there are plenty of ways to make $$ in computers without having to work 9-5, wear a tie, answer to a boss who has no clue, etc...
To those of you who DO have college degrees in a computer-related field -- how much of what you learned in class do you actually USE? And how much of what you learned on your own do you use?
Anyway. I hated college, for many of the reason stated at length by previous posters. I dropped out, taught myself what I needed/wanted to know, and now I make a great living in the computer field, and things are looking better every day. I work my own hours, I take the clients that *I* want to take, and I wear jeans and sandals to the office.
There are so MANY jobs in the computer field, and so MANY people (most w/ degrees) that have NO CLUE what they are doing, that anyone who does have a clue, degree or not, can get hired.
--just my two cents.
ditto here
3 easy steps, no problems.
can't say the same for GNOME, though I would like to....
Downloaded the GNOME 1.0 RPMS (well, at least they were in a folder labeled 1.0...) followed the installation directions from the website EXACTLY, and I get failed dependancies.
Fuck it. I got no time to mess with this. KDE 1.1 installed in about 30 seconds, no problems. works great. I'll stick w/ KDE.
Seriously, if "regular" computer users are gonna use Linux, the whole install process has to be easy and actually WORK.
-geekd
looks like they /. ed already. it's only been posted for 5 minutes and I can't get there.
DAMN! It's 4:09 am in San Diego. I got to go to bed.
-dave
how about you just use Win98 for the ONE thing it *is* good for? Playing games.
I applaud the efforts of those who want to port/write drivers/etc for games on Linux. But I code all day at work. When I get home I just wanna frag some ass and go to bed.
Linux 4 work, win98 4 play. Everything has it's place.
:-)
duh!
I use Linux at work, for FTP and DNS. I use NT for webserving (not my choice).
I put RH Linux on a partition of my harddrive at home (shared w/ win98) but I never really use it.
I love Linux at work. The box sits in the corner and never gives me any grief. No complaints, no problems. Just work work work all day long.
NT I have to re-boot and generally be more "hands-on"
But at home, I wanna do two things: Play games (quake II) and watch the porn I download from newsgroups. Linux doesn't support many games, and though it runs quakeII, not with GL support. (not w/ my card anyway) and Xanim doesn't support 1/2 the codecs that windows media player does. Also, I can't seem to get any ICQ programs to work. So I have to re-boot Win98 once or twice a day? I don't work on it, I PLAY on it.
Linux is a great OS. But it's gonna be AT LEAST a year, probably more, until it becomes a decent RECREATIONAL machine as well as the solid workhorse it already is.
And let's face it, Microsoft has brought computing to the masses. If it wasn't for the fact that hundreds of thousands of people bought their first computer this year, and over 1/2 of american homes now have one, how many of us would have jobs? I wouldn't. A website needs an audience.
My first computer was a TRS-80 model II. It had 4K of RAM and a regular cassette deck to load the programs in OFF A CASSETTE TAPE! we had to UPGRADE to 16K (K!!) to get a floppy drive. That was 1980.
MS-DOS courtesy of Bill Gates. BASIC language built in. If I hadn't burned programing concepts into my little 10-year old head back in 1980 with BASIC, would I be as good w/ computers today? As EMPLOYABLE?
Bill Gates was a geek in the basement once, too, ya know. Before he turned to the dark side...
:-)
-geekd