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An anonymous reader wrote in to say that
The KDE screenshots page has been updated and now has exciting new screenshots of KDE 1.1.
Several nice ones in there showing off nifty new features
for future versions of KDE. Quite smooth.
Update: 03/08 03:21 by S : Kurt Granroth
of KDE wrote in this correction: "None of the
screenshots feature advanced or "future" features. All
screenshots are stock 1.1 desktops!"
I tried to compile it but got lots of link errors. So I downloaded the bin version for Slackware 3.5 and it just died with all kinds of Lib errors.
So i gave up.. I gess i did not need it anyway..
i had redhat 5.2 and kde installed (1.1)..for some
reason killustrator refuses to install. it sez
libjpeg.so.6 not found, but i have the 5.2's
jpeg lib 6.2 installed. (libjpeg.so.62.)
any comments ?
There should be an option for that in GNOME. A Mac-head I know likes GNOME except for the lack of menus.
I've been using KDE 1.1 prerelease for weeks on RedHat 5.1, no probs at all. I really liked the changes from 1.0, but.... I gotta admit I'm kinda bored with it now and want to try out Gnome and E.
I'm running KDE 1.1 (with the panel set on small along the top) along with the Gnome panel (hidden along the bottom) and Gnome Midnight Commander. Having both rules.
Before the holy wars begin I just want to say that competition is good. They're both great products. Now if WindowMaker would just get a little more stable, maybe I could get parts of all 3 running... : )
It could be that you have your libraries compiled against different versions of libc. For example, a libc6 binary will not use a libc5 library.
You could always install kdesupport to be sure you have all the required libraries.
I don't know about Redhat, but Debian has two libjpeg packages, libjpeg62 (which includes libjpeg.so.62 and libjpeg.so.6b) and libjpeg6a (libjpeg.so.6a). 62 and 6 seem to be different libraries. Have you looked for another libjpeg package?
a partial mirror is up at
http://verbum.org/kde
kde.org's web server died before I got the rest of the shots, but most of the 800x600 ones are there
www.us.kde.org/kscreenshots.html
I don't understand the problem. Isn't the KDE Mac OS menubar at the top of the screen too?
One problem I'm having with KDE is that I like
... Any constructive comments?)
white on black xterms and emacs but when I go
to use other applications the settings that
I've made to make this happen cause all sorts
of weirdness. xv looks horrid, freeciv has menus
with white on cyan, the list goes on and I think
there are even some practical programs that don't
work well.
Anybody know what's wrong? (Yes, yes, what's wrong
is I'm a moron. >:|
www.us.kde.org/kscreenshots.html
www.fr.kde.org/kscreenshots.html
www.de.kde.org/kscreenshots.html
there's probably more but i can't think of any right now. the above 3 seem to work.
Flamerz can f*-off in advance.
i tried gnome 1.0 with E 0.15. i was really surprised how great E was (i always thought it was pure eyecandy, but it is one of the better WM, especially one the has been alpha forever...) but i was really dissapointed in GNOME. it is very buggy, confusing to configure and even a bit unintuitive. and SLOW. i just got my AMD K6-2 350 and Matrox G200 thinking my system would BURN, instead it takes for ever for windows to repaint....i really, really wanted to like GNOME, but now i might give KDE a try, even though i am not to crazy about troll tech....but i need to get work done and i do like the desktop futures of KDE and GNOME...
"xterm -fg white -bg black" causes other programs to go screwy? That's odd.
i've used the latest versions of kde and gnome pretty much whenever they were released. i always liked them at first, but always ended up removing them from my system and running back to either windowmaker and a bunch of xterms, or if i felt really threatened, fvwm2 and a bunch of xterms =)
...
does anyone else here go through the same thing? am i the only one that eventually gets a weird sense of claustrophobia (sp?) after using either gnome or kde? i think it has to do with performance, and that ultimately the most basic setups are the most customizable and PRACTICAL.
let me know
mani
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The most interesting feature of KDE 1.1 mentioned in a preview a while back receives no mention at all on the KDE changes page or in the screenshots:
The ability to intercept Xt, Xview and Athena widgets and draw KDE/QT widgets instead, thus making old X-apps look modern and match the style of the KDE apps.
Maybe this didn't make the final release. If it works, its cool! Maybe someone can hack something similar for Gnome?
i mean, a link to some, por favor!
Yeah, it happens to me too, I haven't figured out why yet. Not that I looked too hard :) It's kinda annoying though.
it's only a few bucks
i do the same thing...after a while, i go back to FVWM2 (not FVWM95) and i find it to be a lot cleaner, a lot faster, and now i am using 15" monitor at 1024x768 ever since my 17" blew up (at 1200x1024) my screen real estate is precious. plus i find KDE and GNOME slows my machine to a unacceptable level...i mean, this is linux, DAMMIT!!! plus, i realize that have little icons on my desktop is nice, but left-clicking and getting a menu is just as easy....and i am sick of having things not work and getting weird behavior on my system for something that is not vital at all to me developing software on my system.... ...
... end rant
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thanks,
-- adam
It does allow you to apply KDE styles to non KDE apps but you can end up with annoying things like the colour of a particular font in a particular app making it unreadable.
Nice idea though and I guess it'll improve with time.
Regards
Mark
What kinds of errors?
Did you report them?
You need QT1.42 for KDE1.1. Did you set KDEDIR and QTDIR to point to the appropriate locations?
Which tar.gz gave you the errors? The correct compilation and installation order is kdesupport->kdelibs->kdebase->kde*.
If you need any help, just email me:
uselinux@email.com
Sadly, you're right... not QT 'themes'. Actually, that QT thing isn't even called a 'theme', I forget what it is called though.
I played with kwm themes a while back... they were cute, but I couldn't get any work done without eye strain, so I stopped using them.
I wonder if the theme manager works yet?
Flamerz can f*-off in advance.
is that acronyme FOIA?
What an attitude dude -- let's have some tolerance for the overly critical. However -- I use KDE too and it ROCKS and is solid as one too.
FOIAPL! (fsck off in a previous lifetime) doy doy
In KDE if the pointer is at the top of the screen, on the menu and you click, the menu is activated.
What is the difference, again?
I have Red Hat 5.2. With the provided RPMs it works just fine. Compared to Gnome it is really easy.
This is one of the most kick ass features of KDM.
Notice that you can type any window manager at the lone xterm and kill it then run a new one.
I can't get netscape to come up maximized in the right position either. It always pops up a little to the right and down on the screen. It is very annoying, to me, as the scroll bar in netscape is small enough already without being off screen. If anyone has a fix, please post it here, as well as emailing dmarsh@ups.edu. Thanks a ton. Love KDE, cept for that :)
It is the only program that crashes my system, especially when running under WindowMaker. Not so bad running AfterStep or FVWM2. Hopefully Mozilla will fix the problems. (design it for Linux rather than just a cheesy port from Wincrap?)
I've been having the same problem since before 1.0, except it starts left and down, not right. It always starts at the right size, but with a constant +5+5 or so geometery, behind the kpanel (which I put on the left). xanim also has this problem.
I haven't tried changing wms or moving the panel and taskbar around. I should try that...
64 megs of ram...i haven't tried KDE on my new setup yet...i know GNOME was supposedly faster on than KDE, which is why i was dissapointed with GNOME. but i will check my Xfree version. thanks for the info.
yes, i must completely agree.
i have a 19" monitor at 1024x768 (because refresh at 1280x1024 is like 55hz on it) and am constantly cramped for space when using gnome/kde.
think i'll try something like wm2 or a variant. much cleaner.
RTFM, of cource! man X, man startx, man xsession, all those should be useful. And startx in particular is a script, so you can just go read it.
As for how to to run kde, if you're typing 'startx' now, just edit ~/.xsession (things are slightly different with xdm), and replace the line calling your window manager with "startkde". If ~/.xession doesn't exist, create it with "startkde" as the only line. And, of course, "startkde" is itself a script, so you can go read that...
... check out this.
Too many damn icons!
wm2 rules!
I was really shocked the first the time I started it up under KDE 1.1 . I had been used to netscape being a different color than all the other apps. Now it's the same color, the widgets look different and it uses the KDE font for menus. I'm really impressed.
This is all you need in .xinitrc:
/path/to/kde/bin/startkde
exec
Simple.
Well my friend, Darryl Strauss is nearly finished with the Banshee Xserver. Check his progress at www.glide.xxedgexx.com/status.html.
There are other KDE1.1 and KDE1.0 very cool screenshots on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fscreenshots.html
Those are screenshots from Mandrake-Linux 5.3 (just released!)
Does it intercept Motif too? Ever since I upgraded to KDE 1.1, the widgets in Netscape look different (and the fonts are the same as KDE)
Depends on the application. Some Motif apps implement lots of their own resources, and in those cases, KDE doesn't figure out how to make them change. Lots of Motif apps do work, though -- it's very cool.
Other very very very good screenshots from the Linux-Mandrake distribution: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en /fscreenshots.html
...so a mouse click on a menu section..like File will activate menu section...staying down? and without? holding any mouse button..moving the pointer and clicking once more.. loads menu item in men section?
yes..it is interesting that debs are available.. good thing that there is a choice between RPM, DEB, sources .tgz, and Stampede packages. Hmm, good thing that there is a choice. Kudos to KDE.
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Does anyone have some screenshots of the new stuff coming out? I am interested to see what these advanced features are. If it looks like I might like it better than 1.1, I may spend the time to set up CVSUP to get the development versions of KDE.
KDE 1.1 is nice BUT I think it is still severely lacking in themeability when compared to another desktop/toolkit. The panel seems to be very limited in functionality. It would be nice if I could have more than 1 kpanel at a time? Also kpanel seems to be somewhat limited as far as backgrounds support. Does kpanel support spreading images across the whole panel. Maybe its the fault of the lame looking themes. Any plans for active applets inside the panel. KWM also seems to be lacking in theme support in comparision to another WM.
Overall it looks great. It would be nice to see more eye candy and theme support.
Looking forward to the next release.
--dubbs
They are called "styles"...KDE 2.0 will be FULLY themeable (thanks to QStlye class from QT) the transition is already being made in the kde cvs from qt 1.42 to qt 2.0.
KDE1.2 instead of KDE2.0
The X Window System target interface is running on top of kernel vm, device support, system hardware and toolchain.. XFree86 3.3.3.1 is easy to install and includes some bugs fixed too :) while a 200MHz Pentium computer with 32M RAM, 2M S3 Trio/DX graphics adapter.. what I see then is slow desktop performance of course. Is this not something that is common of more than just X11? Maybe that means console, GGI?, other API, other OS? glibc 2.1 binaries compiled with gcc 2.8.1 -O2/-O6, be it kernel or userland is getting BIG. More than 2M for a XF86_SVGA linked only for mga, kernel even if modular is also not small when uncompressed.. I'm not a programmer.... was it always like this?
KDE is much easiler to install and automaticaly configures to your x-server. Now the big question in my mind will Enlightenment 15 surpass KDE 1.1, if it ever comes out?
It gives me an error about not being able to find
/path/to/kde/bin/startkde
This is really frustrating!
;)
Seriously though. startkde is a setup script and you can also modify it to further customize how KDE starts...
We need a situation where a user can use one program (be it the KDE control panel, the Gnome control panel, the WindowMaker configurator or whatever) to set the theme on all widget sets at once. Fully-themeable versions of Xaw and LessTIF would be a start.
Do you need separate theme files for QT and GTK, or does the same one work for both?
hehe this is so funny.
First most Unix ppl bitch and make fun of
Microsoft for ripping off Mac, and how a
GUI is so wasted.
Then you get _really_ excited when someone
makes a real cheesy and bad rip off of
win95 for your precious Linux.
Not only is it slower and a lot uglier than
win95, its got lousy apps so far too.
I know I have installed it, and I really believed
the hype I was excited. But comparing a WinNT
box right next to, you've got far far to go
before its even as good as NT GUI, and boy
that aint saying that much.
I think I will give BeOS another look.
I always love the NeXT's menu system, and it doesn't seam that different the mac menu....
Um beucase I dont really like KDE.
and that I dont concider it progress
I am with Microsoft?
Heh, well that certainly is an easy
way to dismiss anyone isnt it?
I guess in your world, KDE doesnt look like
win95 or Apple at all?
And KDE is groundbreaking research being done
in a totally new field?
How ignorant can one get?
Its not a matter of me being with Microsoft
its about the KDE copying win95 GUI
as best they can. which isnt very good.
But for ppl like you I guess someone who
doenst bow down to everything Linux
must be with Microsoft and therefore evil.
Um try thinking for yourself at some point.
It might help
Konsole is a fine piece of bloatware.. Good gawd, a vt needs only tiny things not a 1.2meg program.
I want to run rvxt but you cant under KDE.. Why?? I dont know.. but any term that isnt KDE will freak out. Also can we have some smaller programs? make my WWW links on the desktop use nutscrape instead of the KDE file manager? KDE does have a long way to go... but It is getting there.
Usign the most upto date version of X always helps, as video drivers continually imrpove. While the Pentium 200 is more than sufficient to run X, your ram might be the cause of your pains. If you hear a lot of hard drive noise while you are using applications, it means they are running mostly from swap. SWAP IS SLOW!. The speedup from 32 to 64 (or 96 or 128) megs of ram is well worth the $40 investment. Especially if you often compile in X or run netscape with a bunch of winodws open.
Widged theme files will probably be incompatible between gtk and Qt, as they can also contain drawing code, not just pixmaps.
Furthermore Qt's theming capabilities exceed gtk's.
But it should still be possible to coordinate both theme systems.
...and, actually, how MacOS menus behave as of MacOS 8 and above...
It seems you are the one with the learning impariment. Everyone copies everyone, get over it. Originality doesn't exist. Microsoft has copied features from every gui os in existance, it would be sort of hard to create somethign that looked the exact oppossite and is still useable. When you think of one that is, feel free to share..
KDM can be set up to offer a login choice just like CDE.
SuSE sets it up for you automatically if you install both desktops.
I have seen some themes which are far superior then the look and feel of Win95/NT. The fact that you can mimic Win95 with either KDE or GNOME doesn't say much, but the look and feel of KDE is very much dependant on the creativity of the theme makers.
The original look and feel of KDE is by far superior to the for-the-256-color crowed win95/NT.
KDE is not quite mature yet. I give it one more year before it's killer-app comes out. I personally think this will most likely come from corel - it would be nice if they ported their entire office suite to Linux. From what I hear, KDE is their desktop environment of choice.
Hmmm, which features does E have that KWM misses.
KWM is one of the most featureful WM, while E was just pretty (i.e. a bit more configurable) last time I checked.
Furthermore E is still not as stable as I'd like a WM to be.
BTW, you *can* (soon) configure X (and much more) through KDE.
Both eIT's easyLinux (to be released at CeBIT) and the new Caldera installer are KDE based tools to set up all aspects of Linux...
Well I agree that the default look of KDE is a bit boring, but why do you think Be is any better?
Last time I tried, it wasn't very exciting (as for the GUI).
And then, why not try the Be KWM theme?
Does anyone else get a huge memory leak in XF86_SVGA with a Matrox after running KDE for a few days? It takes over 120MB of physical memory after about 3 days for me. Anyone know how to fix this? I'd really like to use the top-of-the-screen menubar and stuff (even if it doesn't work at y=0).
Do you have the option set that forces KDE styling on non-kde apps? If so, try turning it off (and restarting X or reloading database), then see what happens.
Wow, pretty girl! Who is she? :P
Anyone know how to do this under kde or other? ...)
(ie: set the icon on the top left hand corner
of the window a-la Netscape or Xemacs,
Thanks,
cornfed
You might wanna ask this on comp.windows.x.kde
Konsole is approximately the same in-memory size /proc//status
as xterm. Have a look at the data, stack and exe
sizes of xterm vs konsole in
(and remember to make sure they have the same-size
scrollback buffer, otherwise the comparison is
unfair).
All other data is shared with other KDE programs.
It's a win-win situation.
I have to agree. KDE does seem to rip off
the UI from 95. Who thought that was a good
idea? Win95 should not be copied, it is a bad
UI.
I don't know which model of Matrox card you are using but I have a Millenium at home and a Mystique at the office and I don't have this problem.
I tend to compile the KDE stuff from source as it's simple and the results are more reliable. Maybe you should try that
I haven't had any problems running plain old xterms under KDE. I noted kvt and now konsole when I moved from fvwm2, but I never bothered to migrate over all my scripts and menus. I use xterm pretty much exclusively...
Has anyone gotten suse 5.3 and kde 1.1 working?
If so how?
Can anyone tell me where can I find them
BeOS is much faster than KDE. IMHO the GUI looks nicer, but that's just a matter of personal preference and doesn't really matter. What matters is how good a GUI is to *use*... and BeOS completely blows away KDE in that department. Try it and you'll immediately see the difference.
Yes I have this memory leak too (with a Matrox G200).
It seems to be only occuring if you use KFM extensively
as a webbrowser.
It would be nice if the pixmap cache was shared between KDE and GNOME (I use both on my desktop, and it's great!) At the moment, both systems only cache pixmaps on a per-process basis, which is why themes seem to take so much memory.
I wouldn't say much faster. In fact, the latest Xfree 3.3.3.1 is about the same speed as the BeOS GUI, using a Matrox G200 card.
Likewise,
Lots of browsing with KFM, G200, XF86 3.3.3? = memory leak. Only noticed it recently.
Brendon
Well as far as KPanel is concerned I have added pixmap entries for icon texture, taskbar background and button texture, etc... KPanel is now fully themeable.
. This is an *old* screenshot. I'll make new ones once I commit to CVS.
As far as widget themes you can look at http://www.jorsm.com/~mosfet/qtnext-highcolor.gif
Um.
I think it would help you, if you actually
read my posting before responding.
I have not said anything about ppl not copying.
I am fully aware of what you are saying
The point is that everyone bitched about
Win95 rippig off Mac, and ppl sat around
with their Xterms telling me how dumb the
win95 GUI was.
Now a few years later, someone ripped it off
and put it on Linux and suddently the earlier
Xterm addicts are saying how really kewl it is.
Well Doh.
I found that out with my first AtariST.
More backwards than Linux its hard to get.
I have KDE 1.1 installed from the RPMs, nothing weird, and I can just fling my mouse up to the top and it activates. *shrug*
Congrats to the KDE team on another fine release.
Also, the menubar swaps to whatever is currently active, and hides/removes the menubar of whatever isn't active. This is actually good in the sense that something like Window Maker is good- it's less cluttered. It's a tradeoff, one that a lot of people like. If you're working in an application you see its menubar, if you have it in the background you don't see its menus anywhere until you focus it again. People actually (this has been tested!) behave as if there is only one menubar that magically contains everything they need! This occurs even when a single app changes menubar contents- if you select, say, an ellipse, and a 'shape' menu changes from Square (editing) to Ellipse (editing), many users will never notice the change and will swear that both Square and Ellipse are ALWAYS PRESENT because, when they _want_ the menu, it's always there. This bears thinking about. It's also antithetical to the MS approach, of making sure everything is in your face as much as possible.
check out www.linux3d.org
He's got a Banshee X driver on there, I'm using it, and it works well.
Please explain what you mean by that? You totally confused me.
Actually, you can run krdb from a terminal window and the resources will update themselves.
Libjpeg is weird in that its header file contains both major and minor number together (61, 62, etc.) and it refuses to load without an exact match. The KDE devel crew uses .61 (I had this problem with GNOME, too, but they use .62 [sigh...].)
Try linking libjpeg.so.61 -> libjpeg.so.62, ldconfig, and see if it runs....
Alternatively: Get the kdesupport rpm, make sure libjpeg.so.61 installs in /opt/kde/lib, make sure /opt/kde/lib is mentioned in ld.so.conf, ldconfig, and see if it runs....
Otherwise just get the source RPM and rebuild it.
Craig
This is odd; my impression of GNOME was that it was if anything slightly snappier than KDE. (Both built on my RH 5.1+ machine, egcs -O6 -mpentium.) How much memory do you have? How much else is going on in the background?
Also check your XFree version -- 3.3.3.1 is a little better with the Matrox card than 3.3.2.
Craig
http://airnet.net/craig/linux
By the way, kfm's html handling is much improved in KDE 1.1; try browsing with it now. Some stuff is still not quite right, but it's mostly very usable.
Craig
Call me an idiot, but how exactly does one switch to kde? Simply by adding kwm & as the last line in .Xdefaults? Is there good documentation of what exactly happens when one types startx? Ditto on how to modify the menus, etc. in Gnome/KDE/AfterStep?
I can do the compiles, but I haven't quite grokked this whole X structure thing.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
What is really needed now is to get the inter application and window communications standardised across KDE and GNOME.
.ini style file format for configuration -- something like an extended libPropList format would be better -- preferably something that could be mapped directly to XML RDF. This would allow for centralised, decentralised and distributed application configuration.
While X11 based mechanisms can be used, they should not be mandatory -- the mechanism should be window system independant and allow window signals and windows to be manipulated by scripts, if given appropriate permissions.
Above all, being able to run a GNOME application under KDE and have it integrate with KDE, and a KDE application integrate with GNOME when run under GNOME should be considered a priority -- so that the KDE control panel will control both GNOME and KDE applications in a consistent useable way, and simliarly for the GNOME control panel.
Oh, and please please please... get rid of the old Windows
John_Chalisque
"hawt dayum...look, Skeeter, a wumun" "Shee shur gots purty ahhs"
So tell him to use KDE. Simple.
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
Anyone got any mirrors?
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
These aren't KDE themes - these are KWM themes. This is just adding in confusion into the pot. It'd be like saying changing the enlightenment theme was a gnome theme if you used the gnome panel.
I'm still waiting on QT themes because the standard Qt look is just plain butt ugly. I just hope they're not the memory hog that gtk themes are.
Matt (who aches to have MUI back).
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
I've got a PII-400 and am constantly stunned at the crap speed of some of these supposedly advanced WindowManagers/DE's. I'm reasonably happy with the kpanel and WindowMaker right now, but I have kfm running, and I don't know why - I never ever use it...
I guess ultimately power users migrate back to a CLI - that's how it was on my Amiga, that's how it is on the NT boxes at work, and its how my Linux box is heading too...
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
This is being talked about a bit, it is more of a GTK+ thing than GNOME. There are problems with using this and sloppy/mouse focus though...
As with all free software, you have to read the
manuals and make sure you've got the right environment first. Compilers, libraries, and the like can make a big difference.
I've moved two RedHat 5.0 machines to KDE, and while grabbing all the RPMs that need to be updated is slow over a 28.8, it's not at all difficult.
Let me recover from the laughter first...
Ok, now... No, no, no, KDE doesn't "intercept" Xt, Xview or Athena widgets the way you describe (i.e., Athena widgets will be displayed, instead of the KDE ones). What KDE does instead is apply the colour resources for those widget sets to those you have set for KDE. It also works for Motif apps (change the colours in KDE and Netscape shows the results). Non-KDE apps have to be restarted to display the changes, though. But it helps a lot in giving your desktop a consistent look. BTW, I recommend that if you use any Xaw-based apps, replace it with Xaw3D or Xaw95, as it will look much better.
In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
Compile it from the SRPMs. And no, it ain't a PITA to do that (compared to GNOME).
In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
...running a xterm replacement that supports pseudotransparency, like eterm, aterm, or wterm.
Well, it *does* do that here :-P
BTW: blackbox is KDE aware, so you can mix and match as much as you want...
KDE can be configured to use no screen real estate at all, except for the following:
1) a 1 pixel band for the autohidden panel (you *can* hide it completely, though)
2) a 1 pixel band for the taskbar (optional too)
3) The window frames.
If you really want to save those 4 pixels wide and 26 pixels tall, you can use another KDE aware WM:
3.1) flwm uses only 18 pixels wide and no pixels high
3.2) WM uses about 24 pixels high and no pixels wide.
4) Background icons, but that is not really what you mean, right?
By using the Mac-like menubar, you actually use *less* screen real estate, depending on how you measure it.
"exec startkde" uses a bit less ram, since it replaces the current shell, while just "startkde" keeps two shells in memory.
But because of how modern unixes manage memory you are saving perhaps 50KB.
right. That's standard KDE menu behaviour.
:-)
I mean, the menu acts just the same, it's just up there
But I'll try to answer anyway.
;-)
1) Don't try to use the current CVS HEAD branch (the one that uses Qt 2.0) now!!!! It's severely broken. It *will* get better in some weeks/months, but KDE 1.1 is a lot more stable.
You could use the KDE_1_1 branch, which is KDE 1.1+bugfixes, though.
And as for how does it look... I have no current URLs, but try http://www.jorsm.net/~mosfet/kde-plat.gif
2) Yes, KDE and KWM are not yet as themable as other toolkits/desktops, although KWM is the 2nd most themable WM I know.
3) More than 1 kpanel, no.
4) Spreading images all across kpanel, I don't know, I don't see why not.
5) Active applets in kpanel, it's supported already. You can swallow any X application (say, wmclock, or xbiff), and there are KDE aplications that "dock" in the panel (kpmdock, klipper, kppp, knotes).
6) Eye candy and themes are secondary. Functionalty, stability and productivity are more important. Having said that, more eye candy is coming
Add session types in KDE's control center.
:-)
The chosen session type is passed as first argument to ~/.xsession (or xsession).
Make ~/.xsession parse it right and execute as needed
But even the "mac-like menus" in KDE aren't maclike. I was very excited when I saw this the first time, but then I tried it out and... No.
If your mouse is at the TOP of the screen, you can't click on the menu, but on a mac you can. It defeats the whole purpose of having the menu at the top of the screen if you can't have your mouse at y0 and click to a menu.
What I think BS means is that Mac menus are not just located at the top of the screen; they extend to the top of the screen. That is, if the mouse is at the very top of the screen, over a menu, and the user clicks, the menu is activated. With KDE this isn't the case.
This feature is actually surprisingly useful, as it gives the user the ability to just "fling" the mouse to the top of the screen and know that they'll hit the menubar. Otherwise one must be a bit more careful about mouse positioning; this can be problematic, especially on laptops where the cursor isn't always particularly easy to see when it's moving.
Avoid the Slashdot efect.
www.us.kde.org
www.de.kde.org
and a few others.
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has anyone had the problem where netscape starts up about 5 pixels to the right? this happens both at my work and home computers...didn't happen with 1.0, just 1.1b2 and 1.1
I tried it out this weekend with a heavily updated Slack 3.4 system, and the only problem I had was getting it to link with my native GL libs instead of Mesa. I ended up hacking the configure scripts, and it worked fine. Config options, please!
As far as using it, I think it's a very well-done system. The only problem I had/am having is getting kfm to recognize WordPerfect 8 files without an extension (my roommate doesn't use extensions on his files). Isn't that what the magic file is for? I added the appropriate lines to the file, and nothing happened, so I ended up putting some extensions for the type. Anybody have any ideas? Perhaps adding mime-types and applications could be streamlined a bit...
But even the "mac-like menus" in KDE aren't maclike. I was very excited when I saw this the first time, but then I tried it out and... No.
If your mouse is at the TOP of the screen, you can't click on the menu, but on a mac you can. It defeats the whole purpose of having the menu at the top of the screen if you can't have your mouse at y0 and click to a menu.
So I'll stick to using no DE for now. It's not necessary, anyway, but I was hopeful...
No, if the pointer is at the very top of the screen... y coord 0... and you click the mouse, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, even though it *SHOULD* activate the menu.
I guess a lot of people out there have never really *USED* a Mac and picked up on the subleties that make it's interface so nice. This is one of them. On a Mac, the user *ALWAYS* knows where they menu is... they can close their eyes and find it. This still isn't the case with KDE, though it's far better than the menu in the top of the window stuff..
This is what I experienced when I used KDE 1.1, at least, and that was probably the sole (mis)feature that kept me from liking it.
I *STILL* wouldn't have used it, though... I go in for my ultra minimalist hacked blackbox.
Err... Okay, I just reinstalled KDE (damn deb's are nice things)...
I was playing, and I thought maybe it had something to do with my having active desktop borders enabled (when I was flinging my mouse up, I was going to another desktop &%^)
So I turned it off, and then turned the menu bars on, and umm... if I am at Y Coordinate 0 and I click... Nothing. If I'm at Y coordinate 1, however, it's all good.. This is interesting to note. On my old slack system, and my new Debian system, from the debs, this does not work. (though the K menu in the korner works fine at x0 y0, if that's what you're testing on).
So maybe it's just some people who it works for. It doesn't work for me.
I might play with KDE stuff under blackbox, but that means I'd have to recompile, and umm.. it takes SOOOoooo long to compile. (that was sarcasm).
-bs
it's nice to see themes on kde or gnome but you can get themes on Windows too. :/ ) themes.
http://floach.pimpin.net/ has a whole bunch of them for example.
I'd like to see more talk on how these GUI's make your life easier instead of pretty (or in the case of enlightenment-not so pretty
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How do you get the transparent Xterms in KDE?
KDE tries to play with Xresources to make all applications use KDE fonts and coloursq by default. This option was off by default in KDE 1.0 but was made on by default in KDE 1.1.
You can turn it off by going to Settings->Check off "Apply fonts and colours to non-KDE apps"->Press OK. You may have to restart X/KDE due to a bug in KDE for these settings to take effect.
If you make the above change, you will have to configure xterm and emacs colours by the normal means ie Xresources, and not by the KDE configuration menus.
Oh, seeing that I had the setting off for a long time I didn't know if that still worked or not. (it did at the time I was playing with it, but I had read reports that running krdb was not enough to erase the old settings)
Speed would be te biggest reason to use BeOS as opposed to a unix/X11 combo. X is just too much of a pig to hold a candle to BeOS.
Hell, the kernel is in great shape, maybe someone should write a fast gui rather than continue to pile code on top of X.
Do you know where I can read to find out how to set up different wm's using KDM.. I'm using RedHat now, and I really miss that from SuSE. I liked to be able to WindowMaker or GNOME or KDE depending on my mood..
Thanks
Ben
make the last line of your .xinitrc read:
/opt/kde/bin to your path too (unless you have an install that puts it elsewhere).
exec startkde
Oh, make sure you add
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Then don't use so many. my KDE desktop looks nothing like that. screenshots are meant to look busy.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
hmm...eterms rule with kde. which eterms are you using? i had no luck with the rpms and compiled the source instead and didn't have any trouble. i'm using eterm-0.8.8. try that and good luck.
Run KDE installation script. IT will /opt/kde. /opt/kde/bin/usekde
put a bunch of stuff into
Remap it if you want, or make a symlink.
Them as a user run
That's it. 10 minutes. Enjoy.
It's all in documentation, and you do not have
to be worried about dozen circular dependent packages as in gnome.
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The kscreenshots look pretty kgood.
I'm all for kbranding and all, but k'mon...
kscreenshots?
Ksheesh!
What's next? Gscreenshots! Or would
it be GNUscreenshots? Ghe-ghe. Gjust
gkidding!
Glater!
How about sending patches?
Do you know how free software works?
People with something write the
support for this something!
Thanks, Stephan
on how to modify menus, both kde and gnome have menu editor applets
i thought I had no sig?
I like it. Very nifty looking stuff in there.
Makes me want to redouble my effort to get Linux back up and running on my new Gateway. (Blasted Voodoo Banshee video card is a pain in the butt to get X-Windows to use, so I gave up.)
-Augie
P.S. NOT FIRST!
If it makes a difference If I use just "startkde" or "exec startkde".
I know I will be moderated down for this, but . . . Vincent
ditto here
3 easy steps, no problems.
can't say the same for GNOME, though I would like to....
WOW! KDE can actually automatically configure your X server for you? How does it do that?
KDE is a desktop like GNOME. KWM is what KDE calls their WM. Some say its not really a WM, whatever.
There is no comparision. E beats KWM hands down in features, theme support, configurability and yes, stability. E CVS is rock solid now (only a few minor buglets). If you doubt E's theme support, take one look at http://e.themes.org .
The only valid gripe I have heard about E is that it does take more memory than most other WMs. This is mainly because of its extensive configuration and image caching. IMHO, if you don't like the size of E then either buy some memory (cheap now days) or run WM. Just don't expect all the bells and whistles.
-dubbs
Subject says it all. Flame Bait!!!!!!!
Maybe I was doing something wrong but it didn't work for me. I run Eterms on E and GNOME with no problem but on KDE, it doesn't work. Is KDE using imlib to load images? If not I can't see why Eterm would work.
Maybe one of the other trans xterms will work.
-dubbs
I am running a similar setup to yours: i586 200mhz, 32 mb RAM, 2 meg graphics card, XF86 3.3.2.1.
While I definitely advocate upgrading to 64 megs RAM, I think the choice of window manager is much more important -- KWM is way slow.
You may wish to try Blackbox. It is fast and still looks good. I have a small site dedicated to it at: http://members.xoom.com/ultravoid/
There is also a link to a site with info on how to integrate Blackbox into KDE. Good luck!
[ Aaron Shaver ] [ ultravoid@usa.net ]
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Solaris x86 offers the user a choice at login, between CDE and OpenWindows.
Would it be practical to offer a similar choice between KDE and GNOME?
Richard
I have been using KDE 1.1 for about one month. I have not had any real problems. The kpackage is a little squilly but that is all I have found.
I will say it was easier to use than Windowmaker or FWm
Brian E...
Well, the short answer is that you don't have to run a shitty underlying OS to get a friendly desktop, but both the Qt widget set and KWM (I haven't used any other window managers with KDE) have the advantage of having fully-functional keyboard operational support. By default, you can change applications and focus within applications with just they keyboard. (I've never used GNOME so I can't speak for that)
Also configuration in KDE was made to be GUI-based, rather than the more traditional Xresources config files. (yah, I'm a wuss, we should all configure everything with vi/emacs, right?)
I agree with you that pretty UIs are all well and good, but usability is the bottom line.
my netscape takes about a MINUTE to launch. . . dreadfully it is making me sentimental for windows where, on the same machine, it never takes more than a second for NS or MSIE to get up and running. i do concur, they musta done a sloppy, quick port to linux that was not close to being optimized.
otherwise i love kde 1.1 to death -- only problem is i can't get any menus to work (have to do everything off the command line).
I've had this same problem with another :)
.so.6 to .so.62
desktop system to remain unamed.
It seemed to be solved by making a
symbolic link from
I'm not sure if it's just a name thing,
or if it's asking for trouble...are they
really different versions? Anyway, try
it!
are you using the lastest driver from linux3d.org? i have a diamond monster fusion and it is working great.
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john