I doubt it. The company that is using this tech is going to want to sell it to WB in the future. I think this is just going to go down as an accounting error, settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
//Ahh British Comedy I never tire of your nostalgia.
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Excellent explanation. Nice work. // If only there were a tag so I could show that I was not being sarcastic....
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Well, you do have the right to get from it what you will but I am not sure why you down play the significance of the island. I see it as more of a Pandora's box, or for some, the containment vessel in Ghost Busters. For Smoky to leave the light had to be put out, if the light is put out the island sinks and is no longer the cork in the bottle. I really believe that everything that Jacob said this season was true. I am trying to think back to anything that Jacob said that was not true and I cannot think of anything. Smokey was a hurt little boy that only wanted to get away from home, some of us can feel his pain. It was a battle that started when he was young and became a crusade. I do not think that he thought it would destroy the world, he simply had been trying to get off the island for so long that is all he knew. It was the same way that Jack was sure calling the boat was a good thing, we know how that turned out.
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No, actually, a good book tells a coherent story.
So do you consider Slaughterhouse-Five coherent or a bad story?
I will admit that I had trouble following when I was 15, that does not mean I did not like it.
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Wait, are you saying this was only for people of intellect?
Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.
Yes Virginia, there are something that are best enjoyed by people of intellect. Willing to do some of the work for themselves, they do not want to be be fed every detail of a story. Much the same way Socrates would tell you what is wrong so that you could decide what is right.
I am not patting myself on the back but, I know what I am.:-P
As I have said I do not believe any of the main plot lines were left untold. The writers have to stop somewhere right. Look at Lord of the Flies. It ends with Ralph crying. Okay what happens when he gets home? What kind of job does he get? How many children does he have? Interesting questions but in the end they do not matter.
Name a good book with main plot threads left as loose ends. I'm curious where you get this idea.
Well, I get the idea because I have read books.
Please give an example of a “main” plot line unresolved.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you. As you say you missed all of season 5, the season that answers most of you questions. If you did not watch it you did not see who the smoke monster really was, how he was made and what he was trying to do. If you had watched you would have found out that everything Jacob said about the island was the truth, it was the cork in the bottle.
Yes like any good book, questions were left unanswered. The show, from the start, was a thinking man's who. The writers choose names very carefully and wrote little hints as to what is happening. There are reasons that John Locke was named after the philosopher. Before I can tell you what I think about the Walt and Faraday I have to clear some other things up.
I have to say I do not think the show was ever not wrapped in symbolism. But what is really important is that you said “lead writer had refuted the theory that everyone was dead, in purgatory, in heaven or in hell. Yet, at the end they're clearly in some sort of afterlife.” No they said the Island was not purgatory and it was not. The island was real. I would try to explain more to you about the island but since you did not watch the last season that it would really just be a waste of time. I do not mean to flippant about that but what the island is was explained and you chose not to watch it. In the flash sideways time is not a constant, that is the point. They all lived their lives and then came together at the end once all of them were dead, it can be confusing if you keep trying to apply time to the flash side ways. You cannot do that, time is not what you think it was as they were waiting. That is why Ben was not in the church, he was waiting for whom he leaned to love, his child and her mother. Again you missed all that since you did not watch the last season.
In the end you were really supposed to decide what that show meant for you. I think the real issue with people that did not like the ending was that they want to be told everything. They want everything to be explained to them, that is how T.V. works now. I go back to my original point that it was a thinking mans show. The more you have read, especially philosophy the more there was to get out of the show.
No you do not know when people died. Not all of them. They died at different times as they lived their life. They all met up before going to heaven. In the end they were all part of a great battle that could have been the end of the world. They were changed for the better and they wanted to met before moving on together. That was the flash sides ways in the end that was the fake world, it was only built by them, so they could all be together. It may seem like that was a type or purgatory I think of it as more of a waiting room. I would not say there were suffering, so it would be a stretch to say it is purgatory.
I guess what really bothers me is that this post is rated insightful and it was written by a person that did not even watch the whole series, and the most important season was missed all together. Would we think so much of a book review if the writer had picked random pages to read, and then complained when they said it seems like the books jumps around a lot.
Again I have say it was a thinking mans show. As all mysteries are, if you wanted to just watch a show that has everything explained to you then yes, you were watching the wrong show. If you wanted a show that was more like a well written book and you had to think about it to see how it changed and moved you then this show was for you. I have to say there are not may question that I feel were unanswered. I am sure there will be a number of post that put it all out there for the ones that choose to be told what happened then to work it out themselves. But that is like playing a video game by following the walk-through what is the point? You might as well wait for the movie.
I also would agree with you. It seems though "frictionless" there are many inefficiencies in this transmission. It becomes clear when you think of the move from "neutral" to "first gear". With a gas engine you would need another engine spinning at near the same power to cancel out the sun gear turning. As you shift to first, that other/control/second engine will actually be turning to reduce power of the main engine, in-effect they will be working against each other until you get to the ratio where the other/control/second comes to a stop. I think this will be when the transmission is most efficient when it works as a normal planet gear system. After that the other/control/second will start providing power that actually increases the output. So it will be about controlling that crossover point to make the system efficient. But at that point what does it matter. You cannot drive this off a single gas engine and I think that will be the down fall. If you want to be really efficient that we just need to more to gas/diesel electrics where the engine turns a generator and that powers the motor. There is a reason that is how large earth moving equipment and diesel/electric trains work.
You also have to remember that there have been a number of legitimate sites that have been hacked and used to deliver Malware. AVS only protects against known threats. That is the main flaw of current AVS.
I do not know what is worse that you think there is no replacement for MS Exchange, let alone a better one, Or the fact that you think Open Source software caused MS Exchange to stop working.
How does that work again, is it because the Open Source solution followed the RFC and MS does not know how to handle that.
Yeah the price that you list for your University is no where near what a corporation would pay. I work for a large company with other 30,000 desktops and we had to pay over $100 for the office upgrade, not including all the hardware we had to upgrade to run the new office and the man power to get all of that done. Both Google and Microsoft have all but stated that they give away the software and services to schools so that they are more familiar with it when they get to the work force. But once you get out of the education realm you are going to pay big bucks for the software. All that money could be use to train and give higher pay to a better staff running no MS stuff.
As for the interoperability, I agree with you no will will even know about the back end stuff. Use what works best. My opinion is that is open source but, that is just because I like my servers to keep running.
I am going to ignore your comments about Google cars, Google voice, and the others because the do not make sense and are not worth it.
I never said I was gurneteed a 5 Mb line. I have accepted that it will be less than 5 Mb 99.9% of the time. My point, which you cannot seem to grasp, is that how is it right for the ISP to disconnect me for using the service that they sold me. If I am having an impact on other people the the telco is at fault not me. I is not a "not my problem" sort of thing it is a "they are selling this promise to all these people and cannot possibly support all of them" thing.
How am I willfully abusing the design of the ISP if I am using TCP/IP, the problem again, is that they over sold the bandwidth.
the forces of the market economy will not fix this. Those forces are driven by greed and nothing else. All of the problems that we have had come back to one thing, lack of ethics, from selling loans to people that could not pay, to selling derivatives that nobody know the value, it was all about money.
A free market economy will always end the same way. I have yet to find anybody that can admit that Standard Oil and System Bell were good things and that is what happens in an unregulated market.
So you think that an ISP should have to have a 1:1 contention ratio for residential users? How can you make such a blanket statement anyway? Even if your ISP has a 1:1 contention ratio they still aren't going to be able to promise you 5mbit/s at all times. Events beyond their control (anybody remember how useless the internet was on 9/11?) will crop up from time to time and prevent you from achieving the promised speed.
No of course I am not saying they have to guarantee the speed. You are right all bandwidth is shared on the entire internet. What I am saying is if I use 5 Mb according to my contract how can they cancel my service. They are only canceling it because I am using it.
Because you signed the contract and agreed to be bound by it's terms in exchange for receiving their services? If you don't like the terms then start your own ISP. It's not the easiest thing to do in the world but you'll find it easier than starting your own car company or satellite TV provider.
Well if would be lot easier to just go to a competitor but, since the government is letting this go on for all ISP that does not really work does it.
Of course I am not going to start my own ISP, why should I have to when I am following my agreed contract.
Sure it is. It means they didn't select the service that meets their needs.
Sure I did I selected the one that let me have 5 Mb of bandwidth. That is what I wanted, that is what I pay for, that is what I *try* to get. If the telco cannot support what they are selling then the telco needs to change not the user.
I actually agree that bans aren't warranted. Action of some kind is, but bans are overpowered. Some kind of accommodation should be made to get these people what they need.
Some kind of accommodation like the telco upgrading to meet the promises they made? Ohhh maybe that telco should limit my bandwidth, waaiiittt they already do that. I guess it is back to the telco to deliver what they sold.
Wow... I do not think you could have missed the mark on those any more if you had tried (which I am not sure you were not trying)
Anyway about the Car? The answer is No I could drive it anywhere I wanted to. I had to get it in certain places but I could drive it any where I wanted to. It was a lease I could do as a please and then return it and pay the extra penalty.
Dish: The answer is no. Again I can watch any channel on cable once it is decrypted but I do not have to watch 2 hours of CBS before I watch something else. It does not matter how much or how little I watch I paid for the channels I get to watch them when I like.
DVD Player: Wow really Blu-ray? What does that have to do with connecting a DVD player to a Sony TV. I think you just wanted to contradict me and would have put down a flying squirrel if you could make it fit.
Telephone: Really you are going to go so far as to compare my leased line with a service level agreement to a free service. Come on you are not even trying.
No it is not more complicated that it would seem. I was sold 5 Mb line I should get to use 5Mb it was the telco's idea to sell it I did not make a special deal with them. They offered it and sold it to me they should be able to support it and EXPECT me to you it.
Everybody already has Tiered services. What ISP are you on that only has one level of bandwidth?
I can get 762kb or 2MB or 5Mb or 10Mb or 15Mb
Again the telco said I get 5 Mb I should be able to do with it as I please.
You are comparing the results of a sub set of the network and not as a whole. Person B that was running the torrents was using all of the bandwidth of the given connection. So person A could not connect. That is fine that is what you have accepted as use with your telco, So much down and so much up. The issues that you missed is that it did not effect your neighbor next door or down the street or next town over because they have their own internet connection.
If the ISP sold me a 5 Mb line that it is mine to do with as a please. If they could not support it then they should not be advertising a 5 Mb line. Which on a side note I have a 5 Mb line and I have never seen over 3Mb even on their "optimized" internal network. So what the telco's are really afraid is going to happen is that people are going to find out that there is no way for them to support the line speed they are promising.
Can Ford tell me where I can drive my car? Does Dish tell me I have to watch a certain channel? Does Sony stop me from buying a Toshiba DVD player? Does the pone company tell me who I can and cannot call? So where are we allowed to be pushed around by the ISP?
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The only place you need to go is Chicago.
It has great food: Eat at Uno, and the Char-broil
Shopping: Michigan Avenue, get the Cheddar Caramel mix at Garrett Popcorn you will not be sorry.
Boat rides: Just one of them any one is good.
Museums: Museum of Science and Industry is great. Field Museum, Art Museum, I cannot remember the name. Children's Museum, and do not miss the Aquarium.
Chicago has some of the best Museums in the world. They have deals so that you can go to three of them at a discount and you do not have to wait in line to buy tickets. Everybody should go there once.
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I doubt it. The company that is using this tech is going to want to sell it to WB in the future. I think this is just going to go down as an accounting error, settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
Opera is on top with Version 10.
Plus it is actually good so you know that should count for something.
That leg will ride down with wear.
//Ahh British Comedy I never tire of your nostalgia.
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Excellent explanation.
// If only there were a tag so I could show that I was not being sarcastic....
Nice work.
Well, you do have the right to get from it what you will but I am not sure why you down play the significance of the island. I see it as more of a Pandora's box, or for some, the containment vessel in Ghost Busters. For Smoky to leave the light had to be put out, if the light is put out the island sinks and is no longer the cork in the bottle. I really believe that everything that Jacob said this season was true. I am trying to think back to anything that Jacob said that was not true and I cannot think of anything. Smokey was a hurt little boy that only wanted to get away from home, some of us can feel his pain. It was a battle that started when he was young and became a crusade. I do not think that he thought it would destroy the world, he simply had been trying to get off the island for so long that is all he knew. It was the same way that Jack was sure calling the boat was a good thing, we know how that turned out.
No, actually, a good book tells a coherent story.
So do you consider Slaughterhouse-Five coherent or a bad story? I will admit that I had trouble following when I was 15, that does not mean I did not like it.
Wait, are you saying this was only for people of intellect?
Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.
Yes Virginia, there are something that are best enjoyed by people of intellect. Willing to do some of the work for themselves, they do not want to be be fed every detail of a story. Much the same way Socrates would tell you what is wrong so that you could decide what is right. :-P
I am not patting myself on the back but, I know what I am.
As I have said I do not believe any of the main plot lines were left untold. The writers have to stop somewhere right. Look at Lord of the Flies. It ends with Ralph crying. Okay what happens when he gets home? What kind of job does he get? How many children does he have? Interesting questions but in the end they do not matter.
Name a good book with main plot threads left as loose ends. I'm curious where you get this idea.
Well, I get the idea because I have read books. Please give an example of a “main” plot line unresolved.
I have to respectfully disagree with you. As you say you missed all of season 5, the season that answers most of you questions. If you did not watch it you did not see who the smoke monster really was, how he was made and what he was trying to do. If you had watched you would have found out that everything Jacob said about the island was the truth, it was the cork in the bottle.
// That is what I think anyway.
Yes like any good book, questions were left unanswered. The show, from the start, was a thinking man's who. The writers choose names very carefully and wrote little hints as to what is happening. There are reasons that John Locke was named after the philosopher. Before I can tell you what I think about the Walt and Faraday I have to clear some other things up.
I have to say I do not think the show was ever not wrapped in symbolism. But what is really important is that you said “lead writer had refuted the theory that everyone was dead, in purgatory, in heaven or in hell. Yet, at the end they're clearly in some sort of afterlife.” No they said the Island was not purgatory and it was not. The island was real. I would try to explain more to you about the island but since you did not watch the last season that it would really just be a waste of time. I do not mean to flippant about that but what the island is was explained and you chose not to watch it. In the flash sideways time is not a constant, that is the point. They all lived their lives and then came together at the end once all of them were dead, it can be confusing if you keep trying to apply time to the flash side ways. You cannot do that, time is not what you think it was as they were waiting. That is why Ben was not in the church, he was waiting for whom he leaned to love, his child and her mother. Again you missed all that since you did not watch the last season.
In the end you were really supposed to decide what that show meant for you. I think the real issue with people that did not like the ending was that they want to be told everything. They want everything to be explained to them, that is how T.V. works now. I go back to my original point that it was a thinking mans show. The more you have read, especially philosophy the more there was to get out of the show.
No you do not know when people died. Not all of them. They died at different times as they lived their life. They all met up before going to heaven. In the end they were all part of a great battle that could have been the end of the world. They were changed for the better and they wanted to met before moving on together. That was the flash sides ways in the end that was the fake world, it was only built by them, so they could all be together. It may seem like that was a type or purgatory I think of it as more of a waiting room. I would not say there were suffering, so it would be a stretch to say it is purgatory.
I guess what really bothers me is that this post is rated insightful and it was written by a person that did not even watch the whole series, and the most important season was missed all together. Would we think so much of a book review if the writer had picked random pages to read, and then complained when they said it seems like the books jumps around a lot.
Again I have say it was a thinking mans show. As all mysteries are, if you wanted to just watch a show that has everything explained to you then yes, you were watching the wrong show. If you wanted a show that was more like a well written book and you had to think about it to see how it changed and moved you then this show was for you. I have to say there are not may question that I feel were unanswered. I am sure there will be a number of post that put it all out there for the ones that choose to be told what happened then to work it out themselves. But that is like playing a video game by following the walk-through what is the point? You might as well wait for the movie.
I also would agree with you. It seems though "frictionless" there are many inefficiencies in this transmission. It becomes clear when you think of the move from "neutral" to "first gear". With a gas engine you would need another engine spinning at near the same power to cancel out the sun gear turning. As you shift to first, that other/control/second engine will actually be turning to reduce power of the main engine, in-effect they will be working against each other until you get to the ratio where the other/control/second comes to a stop. I think this will be when the transmission is most efficient when it works as a normal planet gear system. After that the other/control/second will start providing power that actually increases the output. So it will be about controlling that crossover point to make the system efficient. But at that point what does it matter. You cannot drive this off a single gas engine and I think that will be the down fall. If you want to be really efficient that we just need to more to gas/diesel electrics where the engine turns a generator and that powers the motor. There is a reason that is how large earth moving equipment and diesel/electric trains work.
//That is what I think anyway.
You are doing it wrong...... Slashdot good. Long live FARK
You also have to remember that there have been a number of legitimate sites that have been hacked and used to deliver Malware. AVS only protects against known threats. That is the main flaw of current AVS.
I do not know what is worse that you think there is no replacement for MS Exchange, let alone a better one, Or the fact that you think Open Source software caused MS Exchange to stop working.
How does that work again, is it because the Open Source solution followed the RFC and MS does not know how to handle that.
Yeah the price that you list for your University is no where near what a corporation would pay. I work for a large company with other 30,000 desktops and we had to pay over $100 for the office upgrade, not including all the hardware we had to upgrade to run the new office and the man power to get all of that done. Both Google and Microsoft have all but stated that they give away the software and services to schools so that they are more familiar with it when they get to the work force. But once you get out of the education realm you are going to pay big bucks for the software. All that money could be use to train and give higher pay to a better staff running no MS stuff.
As for the interoperability, I agree with you no will will even know about the back end stuff. Use what works best. My opinion is that is open source but, that is just because I like my servers to keep running.
Hmmm.. Not sure if that is sarcasm or not but I have to say it made me laugh.
It also says that you cannot use it to support an enterprise system, have you ever worked from home?
I am going to ignore your comments about Google cars, Google voice, and the others because the do not make sense and are not worth it.
I never said I was gurneteed a 5 Mb line. I have accepted that it will be less than 5 Mb 99.9% of the time. My point, which you cannot seem to grasp, is that how is it right for the ISP to disconnect me for using the service that they sold me. If I am having an impact on other people the the telco is at fault not me. I is not a "not my problem" sort of thing it is a "they are selling this promise to all these people and cannot possibly support all of them" thing.
How am I willfully abusing the design of the ISP if I am using TCP/IP, the problem again, is that they over sold the bandwidth.
the forces of the market economy will not fix this. Those forces are driven by greed and nothing else. All of the problems that we have had come back to one thing, lack of ethics, from selling loans to people that could not pay, to selling derivatives that nobody know the value, it was all about money.
A free market economy will always end the same way. I have yet to find anybody that can admit that Standard Oil and System Bell were good things and that is what happens in an unregulated market.
You really should read the article from yesterday: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/how-the-robber-barons-hijacked-the-victorian-internet.ars/2
So you think that an ISP should have to have a 1:1 contention ratio for residential users? How can you make such a blanket statement anyway? Even if your ISP has a 1:1 contention ratio they still aren't going to be able to promise you 5mbit/s at all times. Events beyond their control (anybody remember how useless the internet was on 9/11?) will crop up from time to time and prevent you from achieving the promised speed.
No of course I am not saying they have to guarantee the speed. You are right all bandwidth is shared on the entire internet. What I am saying is if I use 5 Mb according to my contract how can they cancel my service. They are only canceling it because I am using it.
Because you signed the contract and agreed to be bound by it's terms in exchange for receiving their services? If you don't like the terms then start your own ISP. It's not the easiest thing to do in the world but you'll find it easier than starting your own car company or satellite TV provider.
Well if would be lot easier to just go to a competitor but, since the government is letting this go on for all ISP that does not really work does it.
Of course I am not going to start my own ISP, why should I have to when I am following my agreed contract.
Sure it is. It means they didn't select the service that meets their needs.
Sure I did I selected the one that let me have 5 Mb of bandwidth. That is what I wanted, that is what I pay for, that is what I *try* to get. If the telco cannot support what they are selling then the telco needs to change not the user.
I actually agree that bans aren't warranted. Action of some kind is, but bans are overpowered. Some kind of accommodation should be made to get these people what they need.
Some kind of accommodation like the telco upgrading to meet the promises they made? Ohhh maybe that telco should limit my bandwidth, waaiiittt they already do that. I guess it is back to the telco to deliver what they sold.
Wow... I do not think you could have missed the mark on those any more if you had tried (which I am not sure you were not trying)
Anyway about the Car? The answer is No I could drive it anywhere I wanted to. I had to get it in certain places but I could drive it any where I wanted to. It was a lease I could do as a please and then return it and pay the extra penalty.
Dish: The answer is no. Again I can watch any channel on cable once it is decrypted but I do not have to watch 2 hours of CBS before I watch something else. It does not matter how much or how little I watch I paid for the channels I get to watch them when I like.
DVD Player: Wow really Blu-ray? What does that have to do with connecting a DVD player to a Sony TV. I think you just wanted to contradict me and would have put down a flying squirrel if you could make it fit.
Telephone: Really you are going to go so far as to compare my leased line with a service level agreement to a free service. Come on you are not even trying.
No it is not more complicated that it would seem. I was sold 5 Mb line I should get to use 5Mb it was the telco's idea to sell it I did not make a special deal with them. They offered it and sold it to me they should be able to support it and EXPECT me to you it.
----- So what ISP do you work for?
Everybody already has Tiered services. What ISP are you on that only has one level of bandwidth?
I can get 762kb or 2MB or 5Mb or 10Mb or 15Mb
Again the telco said I get 5 Mb I should be able to do with it as I please.
Well first stop advertsing you are using IE6 it does not help any.
For a new line you need to put in <br>
You are comparing the results of a sub set of the network and not as a whole. Person B that was running the torrents was using all of the bandwidth of the given connection. So person A could not connect. That is fine that is what you have accepted as use with your telco, So much down and so much up. The issues that you missed is that it did not effect your neighbor next door or down the street or next town over because they have their own internet connection.
If the ISP sold me a 5 Mb line that it is mine to do with as a please. If they could not support it then they should not be advertising a 5 Mb line. Which on a side note I have a 5 Mb line and I have never seen over 3Mb even on their "optimized" internal network. So what the telco's are really afraid is going to happen is that people are going to find out that there is no way for them to support the line speed they are promising.
Can Ford tell me where I can drive my car? Does Dish tell me I have to watch a certain channel? Does Sony stop me from buying a Toshiba DVD player? Does the pone company tell me who I can and cannot call? So where are we allowed to be pushed around by the ISP?
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The only place you need to go is Chicago. It has great food: Eat at Uno, and the Char-broil Shopping: Michigan Avenue, get the Cheddar Caramel mix at Garrett Popcorn you will not be sorry. Boat rides: Just one of them any one is good. Museums: Museum of Science and Industry is great. Field Museum, Art Museum, I cannot remember the name. Children's Museum, and do not miss the Aquarium. Chicago has some of the best Museums in the world. They have deals so that you can go to three of them at a discount and you do not have to wait in line to buy tickets. Everybody should go there once. Now I want to go.....