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Science, Technology, Natural History Museums?

beadfulthings writes "An unexpected windfall has enabled my husband and me to plan a road trip next year. He's expressed a wish to visit some good science, technology, and natural history museums along the way. Of course it's easy to obtain a long list of them via Google, but I'd like some insight and input. What does your area or city in the US or Canada have in the way of science museums? Are they worth traveling to visit? Do you have any particular favorite exhibits or 'must see' recommendations? This man was brought up in Philadelphia and apparently spent most of his boyhood and adolescence at the Franklin Institute and its Fels Planetarium, so I guess that would be his 'gold standard.' I grew up going to the Smithsonian. Any area of science, math, technology, natural history, or even industrial stuff would be fair game. I think we'll probably want to miss out on the 'creation science' stuff."

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  1. Indy Children's Museum by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes it's a "Kids" museum, but if you like anything hands on, it's awesome. Even to a 25 year old BSME.

    http://www.childrensmuseum.org/

    That and the museums in Chicago.

    1. Re:Indy Children's Museum by geekoid · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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    2. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bi-Sexual Microsoft Expert.

      What? I won't tell, promise. Your secret is safe with me. :P

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    3. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Tybalt_Capulet · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was just about to suggest the Adler Planetarium in Chicago.

      Bachelors in science and math education, I think.

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    4. Re:Indy Children's Museum by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 1

      I was just about to suggest the Adler Planetarium in Chicago.

      That, and the view of the city from Adler Planetarium is one of the two best views of Lake Michigan and Chicago (the other being from the Signature Lounge on the 95th floor of the John Hancock Tower). You can park in the Field's Museum Lot, and then stroll down to Adler Planetarium, where you can literally sit on the perch along Lake Michigan and see the entire coast and skyline of Chicago curving around the horizon. It's really beautiful; plus points for dawn and sunset.

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    5. Re:Indy Children's Museum by treeves · · Score: 1

      My guess would be Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering.

      If Portland, OR is on the route, you gotta go to OMSI (Oregon Museum of Science and Industry).
      I like planetariums (planetaria?) too.

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    6. Re:Indy Children's Museum by qubezz · · Score: 1

      It seems like ALL science museums are children's museums. Go to their websites and look at all the stock art pictures of six-year-olds. There is not much entertaining or educating to a scientifically trained adult except IMAX movies. The only thing I found interesting in the local museum was the sparse actual 'museum' part that had some early prototypes from Edison's lab. Otherwise everything is child-oriented, and not even that scientific, just a kindergarten with bubble wands and blocks, and if you are lucky some lab coat wearing 'scientist' will mix two unexplained solutions together that change color or make foam.

      Just a survey of summer 'featured exhibits' (match the institution to the exhibit...):

      • Animal Grossology
      • Harry Potter: The Exhibit
      • CSI: The Experience

      Another mentioned-on-here museum has this as their lead exhibit (touting the bond measure that paid for it):

      Come visit, and check out many of your favorite hands-on activities for very young visitors and their families:

      • Put together a puzzle
      • Dance to music from around the world
      • Build with blocks
      • Make a craft to take home
      • Explore activities about dinosaurs, animals, magnets, and more
      • Listen to a story, try a science experiment, or walk like an animalPut together a puzzle
      • Dance to music from around the world
      • Build with blocks
      • Make a craft to take home
      • Explore activities about dinosaurs, animals, magnets, and more
      • Listen to a story, try a science experiment, or walk like an animal
    7. Re:Indy Children's Museum by onionlee · · Score: 1

      dont forget to check out the museum of science and industry. its more children-oriented, but still awesome. of course, just around there is hyde park and the university of chicago, which is a nice stroll even from someone who goes to school there.

    8. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Jazzer_Techie · · Score: 1

      I grew up in Indiana and I can wholeheartedly recommend the Indy Children's Museum as well as the Chicago ones (the Field Museum / Adler Planetarium / Shedd Aquarium / Museum of Science and Industry).

    9. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      You really think Science & Industry is worth visiting? I was actually going to recommend against it.

      I was there a couple years ago and was really disappointed. Seemed like very little had been updated since I was small (and I'm 40 now.) The plumbing display was leaking (spewing) blue water, the tractor was 20-year-old tech. We didn't do the submarine or the coal mine but it all seemed really decrepit.

      The stuff that had been updated seemed like all the content had been updated right out of it.

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    10. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chicago has the Adler Planetarium, Shedd Aquarium, and Natural history right by each other in the museum campus just south of Grant Park and near where the bears play. You can get a special tourist package to see all the museums and go to the new skydeck of the 'Sears Tower' (what you talkin bout Willis). The art museum is close by the others downtown and 'Science and Industry' is in the area that Obama lives just south.

      http://www.chicagotraveler.com/go-chicago-card.htm

    11. Re:Indy Children's Museum by skine · · Score: 1

      I know... Microsoft Experts? Here?

    12. Re:Indy Children's Museum by EMB+Numbers · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Indianapolis Children's museum is weak for both children and adults compared to either St. Louis or Toronto. Indianapolis is comparable to CoSci in Columbus OH.

      My family and I love zoos and museums. Our annual family vacations have included museums/zoos all over North America and the U.K. over 20+ years.

      The St. Louis Science Center is free and very good. The Ontario Science Centre in Toronto is the best science museum in the world; it takes 3 days to see everything. I particularly like the perpetual motion machines. They have exhibits of machines that inventors claim exhibit perpetual motion - it's a puzzle for you to figure out the trick to each one... where it gets its energy. I love to listen to the school kids on tours theorize how each machine works and debate with each other. It is great to hear 14 year olds talk about laws of thermodynamics or the Venturi effect. IIRC, one really tricky one works based on the surface tension of soap bubbles, but you eventually have to blow more bubbles ;)

      The Air Force museum in Dayton Ohio is bigger and better than the Smithsonian Air & Space museum. At the Smithsonian, the exhibits hang from the ceiling out of reach. At The AF museum, you can touch the airplane that bombed Nagasaki, stick your head in a Gemini capsule that orbited Earth, climb into the bomb bay of a B-29, hand turn a Nazi jet engine prototype, view the Red Baron's medals, kick the tiers of fighter jets, etc.

      The Field Museum in Chicago is fairly good, but the Natural History Museum in London U.K. is the best in the world. The London Transport Museum is also great.

      St. Louis, Minneapolis/St. paul, and San Diego have the best zoos, but Indianapolis has a nice zoo too. I have recently been to zoos in Cleveland, Columbus, Detroit, Cincinnati, Toronto, Wheeling, and Des Moines. All were nice in their special ways but not great.

      I have never seen a planetarium that impressed me, but I'll keep looking.

    13. Re:Indy Children's Museum by skine · · Score: 1

      But seriously folks*, I would suggest the Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh, and especially their plaster cast museum.

      I know it's not science per se, but just seeing Greek pillars, Roman sculpture and even the entire facade of a French church are awe inspiring (or were for me).

      *Yes, I'm posting this near the top so it has a higher probability of being seen. Sorry.

    14. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a mechanical engineer. MSCEs are not real engineers.

    15. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bachelor of Science, Mechanical Engineering

    16. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to be in California:

      For kids and adults -- the Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose -- http://www.thetech.org/

      A little farther north -- The Computer History Museum in Mountain View (it's only a couple hundred yards off 101, so it's the easiest of all to hit) -- http://www.computerhistory.org/

      Somewhat farther north in San Carlos, again just a hair off 101 -- The Hiller Aviation Museum -- http://www.hiller.org/

      In San Francisco -- The Exploratorium -- http://www.exploratorium.edu/ -- possibly the most fascinating place you'll ever see -- lots of hands-on science.

      That's four within about a 50 mile stretch.

      Remember:

      When you go to New York, people ask, "What plays did you see?"

      When you go to San Francisco, they ask, "Where did you eat?"

    17. Re:Indy Children's Museum by witekr · · Score: 1

      I must add that the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto is a fantastic natural history museum as well.

    18. Re:Indy Children's Museum by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the US, but maybe the largest ones in big cities would be better?

      http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/
      (There are exhibits for kids, but I'd guess 8 is the youngest that anything is targeted at.)

      Also, the adjacent Natural History Museum: http://www.nhm.ac.uk/
      The "kids only" section has mostly "take a look at the [x] exhibit".

      Both are free (so is the Victoria and Albert Museum, opposite, but that's human history/artefacts.)

    19. Re:Indy Children's Museum by battjt · · Score: 1

      I prefer the Fort Wayne zoo to Indy. Specifically I was impressed with the kangaroo petting area and classic "monkey island" in Fort Wayne.

      Joe

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    20. Re:Indy Children's Museum by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      I second that comment. I went about a month ago because I remembered it being fun when I was a kid. Let's just say their main exhibit was about Harry Potter (not really science or industry). Oh and did I mention that the Harry Potter exhibit costs extra? Oh and the sub costs extra too, and if you want to interact with the cyberspace exhibit, that costs, and if you want to build a top, that costs. So what exactly do you get for the admission price? The aging farm, petroleum, coal, and plumbing exhibits that are probably the same ones that were there 10 years ago.

      But by all means, do the field museum, shedd aquarium, and adler planetarium... Those were awesome, but save yourself the crap of the science and industry museum.

      And to go back up like 10 levels, I agree with the above comment about the childrens museum in Indy. I haven't been there in ages, but I remember it being awesome. Second only to the old COSI in Columbus. Why did museums switch from hands on learning to touchscreen learning?

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    21. Re:Indy Children's Museum by sherpajohn · · Score: 1

      I second the vote on the Ontario Science Centre, though its been many a year since I visited it. I spent many days, maybe weeks there as a young teenager.

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    22. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to second the recommendation of the United States Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. It is big, comprehensive, interesting, exhaustive and best of all free! (except for the IMAX and annex tour where they keep an old Air Force One). Your Department of Defense Tax dollars are hard at work here. If you like to read every plaque and look at every piece you could very easily spend three days in there. You can also go down the road in Dayton and see one of only 2 remaining Wright Flyers up close and personal and some of the original Wright brothers bicycle shop artifacts.

    23. Re:Indy Children's Museum by MacColossus · · Score: 1

      I will agree the Indy Children's Museum is awesome and my daughter still talks about our vacation there. But I would lean towards the Chicago trip. The Fields Museum of Natural History, the Museum of Science and Industry, the Planetarium, and Shedd's Aquarium are all within a few miles of each other. I also think you will find the cuisine choices more impressive in Chicago than Indy.

    24. Re:Indy Children's Museum by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      The Air Force museum in Dayton Ohio is bigger and better than the Smithsonian Air & Space museum. At the Smithsonian, the exhibits hang from the ceiling out of reach. At The AF museum, you can touch the airplane that bombed Nagasaki, stick your head in a Gemini capsule that orbited Earth, climb into the bomb bay of a B-29, hand turn a Nazi jet engine prototype, view the Red Baron's medals, kick the tiers of fighter jets, etc.

      If you're anywhere near the middle of the country, check out the Kansas Cosmosphere in Hutchinson, KS. Skip the IMAX and Planetarium shows - you can see those anywhere. Check out the museum. Great exhibits on all stages of the space program, from the Nazi's V2 rocket program, through Sputnik and the space race, (seen from both sides - they have the largest collection of Soviet space artifacts outside of the former USSR,) to the Shuttle and the International Space Station. They have a retired SR-71, a full-size mockup of an Apollo landing site, and the actual Liberty Bell Mercury capsule, plus a very detailed exhibit about how it was recovered from the bottom of the ocean.

      One of these days, I'm going to go through it by myself so I can take as much time as I want without my family getting bored.

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    25. Re:Indy Children's Museum by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      While I was a student, I went to the MSI (museum of science and industry) exactly 5 times.

      First 4 were on the last day of orientation week for new students. The university pays them to open up the exhibits after hours and has snacks and non-alcoholic drinks (it is an event for the 1st years...).
      The 5th was the reception the night before graduation which was a similar event except there was oodles of free champagne and a pay (boo) bar.

      The museum is nothing like what I remember it being as a kid. There are a lot of old, half-broken exhibits but there are a few that are worth it.

      The submarine is quite incredible in its new underground location. The coal mine is very cool for all ages. Some of the newer stuff that hasn't fallen into disrepair is quite nice (last time I was there, they had a full cycle manufacturing plant set up where you could even buy a custom item and watch it go through the machines).

      It is not the best museum (on a side note, try the childrens museum in St. Paul, MN)but if you are making a tour of sciency museums and end up in chicago, there is no excuse for skipping it.

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    26. Re:Indy Children's Museum by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      Sorry to reply to my self...but the GP mentioned checking out other parts of hyde park and the university campus.

      Don't miss the Henry Moore atomic energy sculpture on the site of the first sustained nuclear reaction. It isn't science but while there you could also take a look the first Heisman Trophy in the modern athletics center across the street.

      Another piece of advice outside of museums....Try to get in on a tour of a power plant. I toured both Crawford Coal and Dresden Nuclear and they were by far the best "field trips" I have ever been on (and I would imagine many other plants give decent tours but these two were amazing). It may be hard to schedule but you could see if they are giving a community or school group tour and tag along.

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    27. Re:Indy Children's Museum by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Come to the Omaha Zoo. It's the best I've been to.

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  2. Pirates!! by sys.stdout.write · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The field museum in Chicago has an exhibit on Pirates (the old-fashioned kind). It's awesome. Go there.

    1. Re:Pirates!! by sys.stdout.write · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not sure why I capitalized "pirates". Probably because they're so awesome.

    2. Re:Pirates!! by geekoid · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I jsut assumedn you meant the sports team.

      Pirates(the fashonable movie pirates) are awesome...but I think there done for a while. ZOmbies, to.

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    3. Re:Pirates!! by whitefox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even better than Pirates! at the Field Museum is the Dinosaur Exhibit, Sue, the world's largest, most complete and most famous T. Rex., and the Tsavo Lions upon which the film "The Ghost and the Darkness" was based.

    4. Re:Pirates!! by oddaddresstrap · · Score: 2, Funny

      > The field museum in Chicago has an exhibit on Pirates (the old-fashioned kind). It's arrr-some. Go there.

      Fixed that for you.

    5. Re:Pirates!! by professorflipwig · · Score: 1

      Pirates (the old-fashioned kind)

      You mean like Han Solo?

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    6. Re:Pirates!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think where is done for a while? And where are the zombies going? (there!=they're, to!=too)

    7. Re:Pirates!! by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why I capitalized "pirates". Probably because they're so awesome.

      Maddox, is that you?

    8. Re:Pirates!! by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      I would have figured that a exhibit on Pirates (the old-fashioned kind) would be held in Pittsburgh.

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    9. Re:Pirates!! by thebheffect · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I'd want my city associated with sixteen straight years of losing seasons.

      -A displaced Cardinals fan living in Chicago

  3. Air & Space Museum by miowpurr · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Saturn 5 exhibit at the National Air and Space Museum in DC is my fave exhibit, but the entire museum is not to be missed. The IMAX theater is great too, unless you get motion sick.

    1. Re:Air & Space Museum by tekumel · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Air & Space Museum is wonderful; almost equally so is the Kansas Cosmosphere & Space Center (http://www.cosmo.org/) in Hutchinson, KS which is an hour and thirteen minutes away from Wichita as Google Maps calculates it. Other than the space race artifact exhibits, it has an entertaining (though childish) show about rocketry posed as Dr. Goddard's Lab, a couple of good planetarium shows, and an IMAX theater whose schedule rotates.

    2. Re:Air & Space Museum by Sensible+Clod · · Score: 1

      I live in Georgia, but visited Louisville a few times when I was little (early 90's). The museum there isn't big, but is (was?) very nice. My favorite room was the technology room, which had a bike with the pedals hooked up to a generator with a light bulb and fan; a telephone exhibit, complete with relay set; and the Whisper Dishes high up in opposite corners, which could be used to talk in a normal voice to someone across the (60-foot diagonal) room.

      It's probably very different now. I better find out what they have.

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    3. Re:Air & Space Museum by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      If you go to DC, head out to the airport -- Air & Space has another branch of the museum with the Enterprise, an F-35, and a half-dozen other prizes that you don't see scattered elsewhere around the country.

    4. Re:Air & Space Museum by Aathos · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is also the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. It has 4 hangers full of planes, along with several planes and rockets parked outside. Plus it's free. They also have a couple hangars behind the gate with presidential planes and experimental planes (X-Planes).

    5. Re:Air & Space Museum by cafn8ed · · Score: 2, Informative

      Plus, the last time I was there, they had a decommissioned SR-71 Blackbird (wikimedia image) hanging from the ceiling just inside the front door, with the tip of the nose just out of reach as you walk in. A really beautiful airplane, and awesome to see that close up. They used to have some first-rate space craft restoration exhibits there, as their museum crew were the ones responsible for getting the re-entry capsules ready for showing by the Smithsonian and others. They've specialized in the "space" part of "air and space museum" for many years.

      Since Wichita is not likely to be on the road travel map (not if I had anything so say about it, anyway), it's probably worth mentioning that Hutchinson, Kansas is about 4 hours from Kansas City's airport.

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    6. Re:Air & Space Museum by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

      The Dayton museum is absolutely fantastic! Be sure to sign up to go to the experimental hanger, they have the only surviving B-70 Valkyrie, possibly the most fantastic flying machine ever constructed.

    7. Re:Air & Space Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The A & S museum at Dulles Airport is a must see.

    8. Re:Air & Space Museum by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      Plus, the last time I was there, they had a decommissioned SR-71 Blackbird (wikimedia image) hanging from the ceiling just inside the front door, with the tip of the nose just out of reach as you walk in.

      They're not going to get rid of it anytime soon. The current entrance lobby was built specifically for the SR-71. The space craft restoration exhibits are still there, including the restored Liberty Bell Mercury capsule. (It had been on a national tour for the first year or so after restoration, but as far as I know, it's now staying in the Cosmosphere).

      Their exhibit crew really is top notch - I love their exhibits on the cold war space-race. I was initially confused when I heard that a space museum was getting a piece of the Berlin Wall, but they did a masterful job with the display and you can't help but feel the cold war tension when walking through.

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  4. poi factory if you have a gps by tresstatus · · Score: 1
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  5. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People still go to museums?

    1. Re:Huh? by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      They even have a museum of people who used to go to museums. Make sure you're out before closing time.

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    2. Re:Huh? by Grismar · · Score: 1

      It's the strangest thing that people allow the internet to convince them that there's no longer a need to experience things first-hand, especially with something like a museum.

      I know I'm on /., so this will probably fall on dry earth here, but at some point you may find out that actual sex with a living, breathing person is actually a worthwhile addition to browsing pr0n. And driving a car at breakneck speeds actually adds a bit of a thrill when compared to a round of Need for Speed.

      You'll have to trust me when I tell you it's pretty much the same thing with museums vs. Wikipedia articles...

  6. Body Worlds! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I saw the Body Worlds exhibit at the Denver Natural History museum a couple years ago, and I LOVED it! It was so fascinating to see the inner-workings of the human body. It is definitely a must-see... head over to www.bodyworlds.com to see schedule info, as they tour around the world.

    1. Re:Body Worlds! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes Body Worlds is amazing! I think Body Worlds will be in Toronto's Ontario Science Centre starting October 9.

      Here's a map.

  7. We have a little place called the Smithsonian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Here in Washington, DC. Perhaps you've heard of it?

    1. Re:We have a little place called the Smithsonian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Submitter: "I grew up going to the Smithsonian." Perhaps you read the question?

    2. Re:We have a little place called the Smithsonian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, this is Slashdot. I didn't even read your reply, I'm just guessing about what you wrote.

  8. The Henry Ford by plnb · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Henry Ford museum in Dearborn, Michigan has a large variety of automobile, historical, and industrial/manufacturing exhibits. http://www.thehenryford.org/

    1. Re:The Henry Ford by sadler121 · · Score: 1

      Miss read that as Henry Jones and was thinking how odd it is that there is a museum made after a fictional character...

    2. Re:The Henry Ford by bfields · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Henry Ford museum in Dearborn, Michigan

      Yep, agreed on that recommendation. It's a bit old-fashioned in places: some of it's just big collections of stuff without much explanation. But that can be fun too (and it's not all that way.)

      And the adjoining Greenfield Village has tons of technological history. Last time I was there I got a kick out of seeing a Jacquard Loom they were in the process of renovating. (And the guy there with it was knowledgeable and interesting.)

      Sounds like you probably already know the Smithsonian, but: I always take people to the National Building Museum. Neat, fun place, and easy for tourists to overlook.

    3. Re:The Henry Ford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strong, strong agreement.

      My wife and I loved both The Henry Ford and Greenfield Village.

      The Henry Ford is like wandering around in Henry Ford's attic - rows and rows of all sorts of amazing things with little explanation along with their headline stuff like the Dymaxion house and a Weinermobile. And a great collection of cars, of course - not just Fords, although they're very well represented.

      Greenfield village has significant buildings from American history and American technology history, all gathered together. Not 100% authentic - a lot of them have period-looking vinyl wallpaper, for example - but a real blast if you're any kind of geek.

      And you can ride in a Model-T. They have a fleet of them just for giving visitors rides. Some are original Model-T that were restored, some were ones built from the original plans 100 years later.

    4. Re:The Henry Ford by capnchicken · · Score: 0

      Another strong agreement for both The Henry Ford and Greenfield Village.

      Right next to it is the automotive hall of fame which is quite a bit smaller but a must for any car lover interested in the inventors behind their inventions: http://automotivehalloffame.org/

      There seems to be this car thing we're all into in South East Michigan :-) .

      (in b4 bankruptcy: shut it up)

      While you're in the midwest you should also go to Chicago's Field Museum (its huge, you would need a whole day): http://www.fieldmuseum.org/
      The Museum of Science and Industry (they have a captured U-Boat and an enigma machine there http://www.msichicago.org/whats-here/exhibits/u-505/ !): http://www.msichicago.org/
      And you can always stand in front of the Seurat like Cameron did in Ferris Bueller's Day Off at the Art Institute of Chicago: http://www.artic.edu/

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  9. Balboa Park by riceboy50 · · Score: 1

    Balboa Park in San Diego, CA is a fun destination with several museums.

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    1. Re:Balboa Park by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Museums in San Diego are second rate at best. Tiny, unimaginative, almost a waste of space. The best museums in the country are the Smithsonian in DC, New York, and Chicago (Fields, Adler, Shedd, Museum of Science and Industry, Art Institute). Compared to those, most museums are a disappointment. Oh and skip LA alltogether- it has jack shit for everything except art museums.

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    2. Re:Balboa Park by wirelessjb · · Score: 1

      +1 Balboa Park, including within walking distance of each other the San Diego Air and Space Museum the Fleet Science Center (with an IMAX theatre) and the World Famous San Diego Zoo which always blows people away, even if their expectations are already set pretty high.

    3. Re:Balboa Park by wirelessjb · · Score: 1

      +1 Balboa Park, including within walking distance of each other the Air and Space Museum, the Fleet Science Center and the Zoo.

  10. RandomDude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Washington DC: Holocaust Museum, Smithsonian

    Cambridge: MIT museum is really interesting. They have a 12 ft slide rule, and some other curiosities

    New York: Natural history museum is really good

    1. Re:RandomDude by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think the Holocaust Museum counts as either science, technology, or natural history.

      However, to add another to this list which also doesn't strictly fit that requirement, I'd add the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC. Despite the name, it's really more of an anthropology museum, with some fantastic ancient Egyptian and ancient Greek exhibits and artifacts.

      I'd also add the Star Trek exhibit in Las Vegas, but they closed that and it's now on tour. :-)

    2. Re:RandomDude by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      While you're in Cambridge, hit the Harvard Museum of Natural History, Boston Children's Museum, and Museum of Science.

    3. Re:RandomDude by Sparky+McGruff · · Score: 1

      The Harvard botanical museum is worth a quick look; the displays of glass flowers and plants are worth a look.

    4. Re:RandomDude by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      They used science and technology to commit the holocaust, or so I've heard. Does that count?

    5. Re:RandomDude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not visit a botanical garden too?

      I don't know which are the best to visit in the US, maybe the Missouri Botanical Garden.

      (I work at the Royal Botanical Gardens, Kew [London, UK]. They're well worth visiting if you're in London.)

  11. Creation Museum! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure and visit http://creationmuseum.org/ and get answers to all your questions about spaghetti and pirates.

  12. Boston by MadUndergrad · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've always been a fan of the huge Van de Graaf generator in the Boston Science Museum. Also they may have a display of flayed people there - I don't remember.

    1. Re:Boston by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      They also have a pretty good "computerplace". They cover both the theoretical and systems aspects of the discipline, yet manage to present it in an interesting and intuitive way to the general public.

    2. Re:Boston by notanatheist · · Score: 1

      What? Not fans of the aquarium? The Boston Aquarium rocks eh! So, don't skip it if you're in the great Northeast!! While you're at it, take some downtime and drive up the coast of Maine and spend a day or two in Bar Harbor leaving all the science and tech behind for a moment.
      Seriously, highly recommended!!

    3. Re:Boston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to second the vote for the Boston Museum of Science. I have been in many science museums across the country and it has, by far, the most impressive collection of stuff. Also, as parent said, the 2 story Van de Graaf generator is freaking awesome.

    4. Re:Boston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always been a fan of the huge Van de Graaf generator in the Boston Science Museum. Also they may have a display of flayed people there - I don't remember.

      The Boston Museum of Science is an incredible museum with a lot of great exhibits, and not to mention that the MIT Museum is near by... and you may want to visit MIT while you are at it because the campus holds some features itself.

  13. Kansas by escay · · Score: 1

    I think we'll probably want to miss out on the 'creation science' stuff

    really? i'd think that would be most fun, besides being a wonderful exercise in critical thinking. i'm not an advocate of 'creation science' but to see what their view of the zoological world is would be very interesting.

    1. Re:Kansas by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You can read all about that crap online, without wasting lots of money, time, and fuel on a physical trip. Slashdot has already had articles on it, showing photos of their stupid exhibits showing humans and dinosaurs living together, etc.

      A trip to Roswell, NM, to the UFO Museum would be more fun and interesting, and probably more realistic and probable too.

    2. Re:Kansas by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with you; even if you don't agree with it, there is nothing wrong with viewing the other side. In fact, a true scientist would rationally consider all viewpoints equally, rather than excluding one because it doesn't agree with common beliefs.
      Worst case scenario, you get a barrel of laughs.

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    3. Re:Kansas by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      to see what their view of the zoological world is would be very interesting.

      Answer: God made it.

      It's not all that interesting a viewpoint. My grandpa sent me a few books recently on evolution (after I stopped attending church last year), and the ways in which creationists try to use science to prove their points would be hilarious if it weren't so depressing. In a couple of the books people who clearly don't understand the difference between open/closed systems try to use the laws of thermodynamics to disprove evolution. It's pathetic. Life exists and evolves in a kind of battle against entropy sure, but it doesn't defy the laws of thermodynamics because the earth is getting new energy from Sol all the time. They also claim that evolution via random mutation is simply impossible, even though a scientist last year demonstrated that bacteria can evolve new traits from a series of presumably random mutations. I hope more people do as I have done and learn to just accept the truth (even if it means admitting a lot of their life thus far was based on a lie) rather than fighting a worthless battle against it.

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    4. Re:Kansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worst case scenario, by attending that crap you are funding that crap. Consider all viewpoints? Fine. Legitimize bullshit viewpoints that misrepresent what science is? Not so fine.

    5. Re:Kansas by abigor · · Score: 1

      Science isn't about viewpoints or common beliefs. I hope you understand that.

    6. Re:Kansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope more people do as I have done and learn to just accept the truth (even if it means admitting a lot of their life thus far was based on a lie) rather than fighting a worthless battle against it.

      I totally agree and yet it's funny, but I grew up believing evolution, my parents still do.

      But here I am and I don't believe that genetic algorithms (mutations+selection = genetic algorithm) are sufficient to evolve the complexity that nature has.
      I would cite Lenski's research (which you link to) as one of the best proofs against that idea, along with Behe's exposition of the malaria virus in his book the Edge of Evolution.

      I work with genetic algorithms, and the big hurdle in this area is 'state explosion'. As complexity grows, the search space grows exponentially. If all your computational resources would be enough to search a space of 40 bits, then you'll need twice to search a space with 41 bits.
      At about a thousand bits, even if every atom in the universe was a supercomputer running for 100 billion years, you would still not have enough resources to examine one googleth (1/10^100) of the search space.

      The human genome measures in the hundreds of megabytes. Even if it were mostly junk and the essence of being human would have a (kolmogorov/algorithmic) complexity of a few kilobytes, that would be way out of reach of any search algorithm. (And if humans were that simple, how come AI is so hard?)
      (Note: you may object that the search algorithm does not need to examine a significant portion of the search space, because many points in the search space are equivalent to the human genome. If you think that, read up on kolmogorov complexity. In that case the human genome would, by definition, have a lower kolmogorov complexity.)

      So where does Lenski's research fit in? It conforms exactly to what I would expect if the evolutionary process is as powerful as a genetic algorithm.
      E. Coli already has the ability to metabolize citric acid, it's used internally. However they lack a pathway for citric acid in the environment to pass through their cell membrane. In Lenski's experiment they evolved such a pathway.

      Impressive, but the kolmogorov complexity of a hole in the cell membrane is low. The point being that in tens of thousands of generations, nothing of significant complexity evolved.

      The case of malaria that Behe mentions is even more striking. The malaria parasite has not evolved the ability to reproduce at temperatures below 20 degrees C, limiting its range to the tropics, even though humans have body temps of 37 degrees C and mosquitos do quite well in subtropical regions.

      Our knowledge of genetic algorithms predicts that such a wall must divide what's possible and what is not.
      Stuff with low complexity is easy. A population size of a thousand individuals can, within 10 generations, easily cover anything with a complexity of about 10 bits. Larger populations, given more time could cover 20, 30, 40 and even 50 bits. But then you reach the limit of what's possible, the exponential growth has caught up with you.
      And when you're talking about thousands of bits, it's simply impossible in this physical world.

      N.b. 1) abiogenesis also bugs me, 2) The multiverse theory could solve this problem by positing an infinite number of universes, an infinite number of which defy all odds. But then again, following that rabbit hole you also find the most unlikely universes where all cockroaches suffocate (and thus become extinct) because the atmosphere around them happens to separate itself into nitorogen and oxygen.

    7. Re:Kansas by somersault · · Score: 1

      I don't think you should think of evolution as a search space exactly.. there is no 'answer' that is being sought, it's a process with many valid intermediate stages and a number of possible outcomes from any single stage. Imagine a game of chess. The search space is vast, and say you chose one specific endgame scenario then let two players have at it. It is very unlikely that the two players will reach the scenario that you had chosen, but they will reach a valid end game state through a path of many intermediate valid game states. See what I'm saying? I don't mean to make it sound like evolving organisms of our complexity is a simple task, yet IMO it really isn't as big of a problem as you're making it out to be - there isn't actually any 'goal', and all the intermediate stages are valid lifeforms.

      It would be nice to be proven wrong and know that there is some great creator out there, as that presumably means more chance of our consciousnesses being given a chance to continue after death. But so far from what I've seen of the Universe, I don't think such a hypothesis is likely to be confirmed. Of course if you believe in an infinity of multiple universes then there could be one version of our universe where a god exists who will send us to hell for not believing in him, one where there is no god, one where god is a punk rock princess and so on. I'm still sceptical of the multiple universes thing.. it sounded plausible at first until I looked into quantum mechanics a bit more, then it made less sense, because the collapse of states upon measurement would presumably mean the collapse of the universes etc.. meh it's been a while since I looked into it, but a lot of the philosophical ideas people base off of quantum mechanics seem to be based on wishful thinking rather than anything with a scientific basis. For example a book I was reading which somehow suggested that unless our brain made significant use of quantum effects then we have to think of ourselves as automatons with no free will. Personally I don't think it makes a difference whether the brain is predictable or not, people still make their choices and need to take responsibility for them. And if the brain is unpredictable I don't see how that is any more 'free will' than if it is entirely predictable. You talk of rabbit holes, and in the end even if there is reality outside of our universe, I think the buck probably has to stop somewhere - that everything has a cause and effect, but that doesn't make our decisions any less meaningful in day to day life. Of course perhaps there is no end, no beginning, and there is some great consciousness that pervades all. But I don't think we need the excuse of a soul to explain the brain and its workings. Eh it's 12:17AM and I'm just rambling now as usual, better go to bed otherwise I'll probably be here til 2AM with my random musings.

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    8. Re:Kansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DNA is a search space and genetic algorithms are search algorithms. The answer they search for is: higher fitness, survival.

      Anyway the point you make is exactly correct: In chess, when you follow the rules, all states are valid and more or less equivalent. Moreover, the complexity of 'normal' chess, where you are looking to win, is low, about 150 bits.
      If, as in your example, your not interested in a particular outcome, and are satisfied with any valid outcome, then the complexity of your search drops sharply, to less than ten bits.
      Obviously this is not climbing the exponential curve.

      But in DNA, when you follow the rules (mutations) the vast majority of possible outcomes are not valid: you will get non-coding dna.
      Also you are not satisfied with any outcome, you want to account for an outcome similar to the one we observe in nature.
      The complexity of some complex systems such as the human brain is huge, certainly in the thousands of bits, but probably in the millions of bits.

      The big question isn't "Can the genetic algorithm reach a valid state", it can, easily. Most likely a planet filled with simple microorganisms.
      If all the systems we find in nature had complexities less than 500 bits, I'd buy in to evolution. (Though, as I said, abiogenesis still bugs me.)

      The big question is, how likely is it that the genetic algorithm could reach the complex systems that we find in nature. Obviously the probability is non-zero, but it's too small for me to seriously believe it.

      Because to evolve the complex systems, you need to climb the exponential curve, and I know no mechanism of how this can be done, in any setting, without invoking human (or other intelligent) intervention.

      YMMV

    9. Re:Kansas by somersault · · Score: 1

      That's fair enough, but I don't like answers which basically say "we can't know this" because it encourages laziness (in myself anyway, and probably others). It does seem that "something" will have always had to existed, but claiming that whatever it was that existed was a fully formed intelligence seems to me much less likely than inanimate matter eventually spawning life and intelligence. Of course maybe that already happened in the "god's" reality, and he then accelerated the process in this one, or it has happened multiple times, or there really are infinite universes and we just happen to be living in the one where all the right conditions and mutations occurred for human level intelligence to occur (though maybe we just don't know all the mechanisms involved yet). From one point of view, we wouldn't actually be here to ask if it didn't happen, so even if it is a 1 in a zillion zillion kabillion majillion stupadillion chance for us to evolve, we wouldn't be around in all the other universes (or our own universe after a collapse and expansion) to be sceptical. Using an argument like that involves just as much faith as believing in a god though, but at least it isn't a desperate grasp for meaning in an existence that probably doesn't actually have one.. and even if there is a god, that doesn't mean that his existence would be any more meaningful than ours. May as well search for our own meaning in our own existence..

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  14. Chicago. by SEWilco · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Chicago. by Gnorme · · Score: 1

      Thoroughly agree with the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. The U-505 exhibit was amazing.

    2. Re:Chicago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That IS the KING of all science museums. If you have not been there, then you have just visited posers.

    3. Re:Chicago. by SEWilco · · Score: 1
      Oh, but I'm sure there are some grand posers. See other replies.

      // Strikes a dramatic pose.

    4. Re:Chicago. by BOUND4DOOM · · Score: 1

      Actually that whole area in Chicago is great, there is also the Field Museum of history, the Shed Aquarium and the Planetarium all withing walking distance. I would seriously plan on a few days to see them all. Also get a Chicago City Pass, it is like $70 or $80 per person but gets you into all these places free and also you go right to the front of the line. I have seen general admission lines take over an hour wher City Pass gets you right in.

    5. Re:Chicago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The submarine is the only thing in this museum worth seeing. Skip it unless you have lots of time to kill in Chicago. Actually, even if you do have lots of time, go to the Field Museum twice.

    6. Re:Chicago. by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      You walked 10 miles to school every day, didn't you?

  15. The Geek Atlas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out The Geek Atlas by John Graham-Cumming.

    1. Re:The Geek Atlas by belg4mit · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:The Geek Atlas by Bluebottel · · Score: 1

      Taking advice from someone named 'Cumming' sounds like fun.

    3. Re:The Geek Atlas by cayle+clark · · Score: 1

      what he said. The Geek Atlas has exactly the info you are looking for.

    4. Re:The Geek Atlas by pavon · · Score: 1

      Well, there is a reason he wrote one of the first Bayesian SPAM filters. Keyword filtering just doesn't cut it sometimes :)

  16. where do you live now? by Em+Emalb · · Score: 1

    Kind of important information, IMO.

    I live just outside of DC, and as you probably are well aware, there's literally MONTHS worth of things to see/information in the museums here in the metro area.

    if you're road tripping from the NE, head for the Southwest. There are more ruins than you can shake a stick at out there.

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  17. Ontario Science Centre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The Ontario Science Centre in Toronto, Ontario, Canada is really wicked. It also has new exhibits all the time. However, the Centre tends to have more of a kids focus, although they do have really cool exhibits on that are very adult-oriented like Dr. Gunther von Hagens' Body Worlds exhibition happening this season.

    http://www.ontariosciencecentre.ca/

    1. Re:Ontario Science Centre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally I would agree wholeheartedly that the Ontario Science Centre is a great destination for anyone. A Canadarm that actually flew on a shuttle is in the main lobby hanging from the ceiling, they have a moon rock on loan from Nasa, a Mars rock that I believe is part of their own collection and generally a very cool Space room with a brand-new planetarium projector.

      I had the unfortunate experience of visiting the Ontario Science Centre a few weeks ago. Unfortunate because the long-beloved "Communications" room has been revamped into the "Truth" exhibit. Apparently they'll even rent it out to you.

      A quick view of the link is all you need to see that this isn't something that even remotely belongs in a "Science" centre of any variety. So, as long as you stay out of that room you'll probably have a great time and an educational visit. They've currently got a traveling exhibit on Squamates which is very impressive. I was lucky enough to be there when it was time to feed the 4m Python!

  18. Udvar-Hazy by Yoda2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you make it to the DC area and like the Air & Space museum on the National Mall, take a day to visit the Udvar-Hazy Air & Space museum where they have everything they couldn't fit into the National Mall site. http://www.nasm.si.edu/UdvarHazy/

    1. Re:Udvar-Hazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a bonus, Transformers 2 was filmed in and took place in the Udvar-Hazy A&S Museum. On opening day, Transformers 2 played in the IMAX at Udvar-Hazy, so you could see Transformers in the museum, and the museum in Transformers.

    2. Re:Udvar-Hazy by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

      Second this; as another poster pointed out, it's not as "hands on" as some other aerospace museums. But, it's FRIGGIN HUGE, like, there's 163 aircraft and over 100 large space objects.

      Like, if you ever needed to actually *SEE* a space shuttle or an SR-71, they've got them there. Plus, the Imax sometimes plays movie-movies, it played star trek.

      Caution: Museum free, parking $10 unless it's late evening. It's close to dulles airport (that's how they get the planes there), and they do that to prevent airport customers freeloading.

      ~W

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  19. American Museum of Natural History by pertinax18 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The American Museum of Natural History (with the Rose Center for Earth and Space and the Hayden Planetarium) in NYC is always a reliable bet. I would definitely put it on a must see list of museums in this country. There is also the Museum of Sex, which you might find interesting.

    1. Re:American Museum of Natural History by Bandman · · Score: 1

      The entire trip to AMNH is worth it individually for:

      • The Hayden Planetarium
      • The blue whale

        That's leaving out things like the entire 5th floor, the amazing geological section, the grand entrance, the IMAX, and so much more.

      My only wish was that the Hayden Planetarium would switch up the planetarium shows. Cosmic Collisions was playing forever. It's hard to tell how long Journey to the Stars will play, but it would be great to rotate through the three, so that new visitors could come back and see Cosmic collisions. Even if it were a single showing a day, it would be worth it. And I only got to see it once.

    2. Re:American Museum of Natural History by Klaatuu · · Score: 1

      The four shows at the Hayden in NY since February, 2000 have been: Passport to the Universe, The Search for Life, Cosmic Collisions, and Journey to the Stars. Also, the fifth floor is not open to the public; you probably mean the fourth floor which has all the fossil displays.

    3. Re:American Museum of Natural History by paleo2002 · · Score: 1

      The AMNH is probably one of the finest natural history museums in this part of the world. Definitely worth spending a couple days at.

      In the NYC area, you might also try the Liberty Science Center in Liberty State Park (the NJ side). LSC is a science and technology museum, with both permanent and traveling exhibits. It skews towards the youth end of the spectrum, but there's usually something to interest anyone. They also have an "Omnimax" theatre - essentially IMAX movies projected on the interior of a dome. Sit at the back/top of the theatre and the screen fills your peripheral vision!

      My opinions may be biased, however, since I've done research at the AMNH and volunteered at LSC in high school ;)

    4. Re:American Museum of Natural History by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      Seconded, and it happens to be one of the largest of it's kind in the world (AMNH). (disclaimer: I do actually work at AMNH)

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    5. Re:American Museum of Natural History by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      Always loved the LSC, you just reminded me I should go visit again, it's been a while :-)

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    6. Re:American Museum of Natural History by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, I'd also toss in a general vote for any of the small, local NY Natural History museums, a lot of small historic towns have them, usually focusing on the region they're in!

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    7. Re:American Museum of Natural History by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 1

      I saw the Liberty Science Center, the Exploratorium in San Francisco, COSI in Columbus pretty close together in time (this was 15 years ago...) so I've mixed up what I saw and where I saw it a bit. I do recall seeing a rotating globe and a bigger rotating disk at two of those; both had a fluid surface with sparkly bits suspended in it. You spin the table or sphere, and see all kinds of complex patterns form; it helps illuminate the complexities of weather you see on Jupiter and here on earth (the jet stream).

    8. Re:American Museum of Natural History by skeeto · · Score: 1

      Bleh, I hated the American Museum of Natural History. It wasn't so much a museum as it was a big diorama exhibit. Not much information, just lots of statues. If you're in NYC, I think the Metropolitan Museum of Art is a much better choice.

      I blame the Smithsonian museums. The Smithsonian Institute National Museum of Natural History in DC is so great it has spoiled all other museums for me.

    9. Re:American Museum of Natural History by Bandman · · Score: 1

      Sorry, yes, I did. I equate that with the "top", but of course, there's the roped off stairway that I've never quite managed to sneak up :-)

  20. Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    The Udvar-Hazy Center (Smithsonian Air & Space Annex) is a must see if you're near DC. http://www.nasm.si.edu/UdvarHazy/

    Attractions include a space shuttle, a Concorde, an SR-71 Blackbird and hundreds of other aircraft, spacecraft, missiles, engines and so on. Also has a 6-story IMAX.

    SciTrek in Atlanta used to be a winner but I hear they closed.

    The U of Hawaii telescope at the top of Mauna Kea in Hawaii is a neat thing to go see, but it is only rarely open to the public so schedule carefully. Plus how many places can you drive from sea level to 13,000 feet in just a few hours?

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    1. Re:Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If you're into aviation, and on the West Coast, don't miss the Pima Air & Space Museum in Tucson, Arizona. It also sports an SR-71 Blackbird, various fighters and bombers (mostly US, but a few Russian) including the entire "Century Series" (F-100 - F-110 I think), JFK's Air Force One plane, and lots of other unique and interesting airplanes.

      You might want to wait until the fall or winter though, because it's mostly an outdoor museum, and it's really hot in AZ right now.

    2. Re:Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My quick favorites so far:
      On the West Coast,
      Exploratorium in SF (although haven't been in a very long time)
      Lawrence Hall of Science in Berkeley, although the best exhibit last time I went was a gigantic room full of some sort of blocks, and dozens of kids just focused on building things (typically aiming for their height or greater).
      It isn't a museum, but you might try to visit the Crucible School, they do have a gallery. The whole thing is a bit arty, but with a lot of focus on bringing back the industrial arts as a practical and artistic endeavor. Very cool in my book.

      On the East Coast, it is obvious, but really you can't miss the Smithsonian.
      I haven't been to the Udvar-Hazy Center yet, but I plan on getting out there at some point. The problem there is that is is not all that close to the rest of the Smithsonian museums.
      The Dinosaur exhibit at the Smithsonian was outright disappointing for some reason. A weird, crowded space, with dinosaurs that seemed a bit dirty. If you are into dinosaurs, the Peabody Museum (Yale's Nat history Museum) is a little small but pretty good. Several of the usual favorites, plus a few wonderful pieces. They also tend to have at least a few good exhibits of their collection which is huge.

      It depends on how big the windfall is, and how you define road trip, but one cool museum to consider is the Deutsches Museum in Munich. A good water section, and just generally a lot of detail and working exhibits that you don't see elsewhere. There is a pretty big chemistry exhibit, where there are demo reactions set up, push a button and materials get added and you get to watch the results (not push button thermite reaction, sorry). Some great transportation exhibits too.

      -sk

    3. Re:Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center by jddj · · Score: 1

      Mod Parent Up! Udvar-Hazy is a stupendous flight museum. Well worth the trip!

    4. Re:Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center by battjt · · Score: 1

      Good grief, there must be 6 SR-71s in museums. Think they are permanently retired, or is the Air Force just scamming storage space from the museums?

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    5. Re:Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      I haven't been to the Udvar-Hazy Center yet, but I plan on getting out there at some point. The problem there is that is is not all that close to the rest of the Smithsonian museums.

      They needed a long enough runway to fly in the big planes. That means they either build their own or put it next to an existing large airport. No space to build a runway anywhere near the rest of the museums and no space to build a museum near national airport.

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    6. Re:Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      They were retired about a decade ago, I think.

      There's another one in Balboa Park in San Diego. And another one I think in Manhattan, NYC next to the cruise ship terminal.

    7. Re:Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center by cbrichar · · Score: 1

      Absolutely agree - you can also hitch a bus that takes you on a driving tour around the grounds of the nearby AMARG (Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group) which is absolutely astounding just for the sheer number of planes they have resting on the grounds. Don't take my word for it either - have a look at them in google maps.

    8. Re:Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center by cbrichar · · Score: 1

      Oh for... here's the correct link.

  21. NYC: American Museum of Natural History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Highlights are the rocks & minerals exhibit, the Human Evolution exhibit, and the Hayden planetarium, plus they invariably have some interesting special exhibit or other going on. And don't miss the whale!

    1. Re:NYC: American Museum of Natural History by Bandman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Agreed. I used to hear about the whale, and I was like "great, it's a life-sized model of a blue whale. I get it. It's big. Why is that so exciting?"

      Then, of course, I walked into the room, and as soon as I could pick my jaw up off of the ground, I said "holy fuck". I hope I said it quietly enough that the little kids around me couldn't hear, but that was my reaction.

      It is a life sized blue whale, and it is bigger than you can possibly imagine.

  22. Best museums to see by ForexCoder · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exploratorium in San Francisco
    Balboa Park in San Diego
    Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago
    Kennedy Space Center in Florida

    1. Re:Best museums to see by ZipK · · Score: 1

      +1 Exploratorium This was one of the first hands-on science museums, and retains its anarchic hippie charm to this day. It's planning a move from its cavernous home at the Palace of Fine Arts in a few years, so you'd have the bonus of catching it in its original digs. Make sure and reserve a tour of the Tactile Dome in advance.

    2. Re:Best museums to see by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      I would recommend against going to the Kennedy Space Centre. It was very expensive to get in. The queues tended to be long, and exhibits were disappointing. The bus drivers were interesting to talk to though.

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    3. Re:Best museums to see by bdowd · · Score: 1

      Fernbank Museum of Natural History and Fernbank 500 seat Planetarium, DeKalb County (Atlanta, GA)
      70 foot dome and Mark V Zeiss projector. They also have an IMAX theatre. Pretty nice stuff!
      http://www.fernbank.edu/

    4. Re:Best museums to see by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Griffith Observatory (Los Angeles).

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    5. Re:Best museums to see by syousef · · Score: 1

      I'm Australian and I second the vote for the Kennedy Space Center. I went in 1998 as part of a coder's boot camp type arrangement after I joined a major consultancy as a graduate. We didn't get much time off. Everyone else in the team went to Epcot, Disney World, and NYC but I am so incredibly glad I took the opportunity to go. For my trouble I got to see a Saturn V rocket on it's side in stages (huge!) and a lunar lander module (tiny!). I don't know if they still have those displays or what it's like since the Sept 11 madness but I'll always remember my visit there fondly.

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    6. Re:Best museums to see by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Scienceworks in Melbourne, Australia. Come to think of it, just come to Australia. Don't bother with Sydney though, they've only got that rather overpolished steampunk exo over at the Powerhouse Museum . But if you are really into natural history, just take a 4WD excursion through Kakadu in the Deep North. You'll see birds that'll reduce you to tears. The wildlife ain't so bad either. But stay away from the pools, they're a croc. Just sayin'.

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    7. Re:Best museums to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exploratorium is overrated for anyone who knows a little science. It's going to hard to top the Smithsonian!

    8. Re:Best museums to see by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      Kennedy Space Center is a decent museum, but for the money, let me plug The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center in Hutchinson, KS - they have THE best collection of Russian gear outside of Moscow, as well as a great deal of US gear.

    9. Re:Best museums to see by rgmoore · · Score: 1

      How can you list Griffith Park Observatory as the best place in Los Angeles to visit? If you want a great science museum, you can't beat the Page Museum, aka the Tar Pits museum.

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    10. Re:Best museums to see by rleibman · · Score: 1

      It's been many years since I was at the Exploratorium in SF, but I've since boycotted it, they had a human skeleton (you had to open a door to see it, to protect children's eyes from the sight of bones!) there was a typewritten card next to it, which mentioned that it was a male skeleton, given that female skeletons have one less pair of ribs. That's enough for me NOT to recommend a science museum.

      The new California Academy of Sciences On the other hand, is awesome, my kids love it.

    11. Re:Best museums to see by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Actually, back in the mid 60s (before Exploratorium was built), Chicago had lots of hands-on stuff.

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    12. Re:Best museums to see by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Well, here's a recent photo of that skeleton and there's no such card. You can read the printed sign if you zoom in close enough, and it says nothing about the gender of the skeleton. So either you're making it up or someone put the card there without the Exploratorium's knowledge. (Anyone who has been to the Exploratorium knows that this is NOT the kind of museum where docents and security guards walk around shushing you and keeping you from touching stuff.)

      Good call on the California Academy of Sciences, though. It was closed for many years, but it reopened not long ago to rave reviews. Unfortunately, however, that also means it draws huge lines, so if you go, try to go on a weekday and get there early.

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    13. Re:Best museums to see by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Because I completely forgot about it, and you're absolutely right.

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    14. Re:Best museums to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would add the natural history museum in Golden Gate Park as well. I was more impressed with it than the British Natural History Museum.

    15. Re:Best museums to see by h2oliu · · Score: 1

      California academy of sciences, is in the same area and great as well.

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    16. Re:Best museums to see by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine not going to the Kennedy Space Center once if you haven't been, but try to see a shuttle launch while there are still a few left. Quite impressive, even at such a distance. I hate to say it, but back in the old days (late 60s-early 70s) you could see some cool stuff at Kennedy that you usually can't see today, like the assembly of a Saturn V in the (now named) Vehicle Assembly Building, more pads closeup and more stuff in blockhouses. On the plus side, they finally took care of the Saturn V that was laying in the yard neglected, and walking under it is pretty cool.

      Other posts reminded me that there is or was an energy museum near Oak Ridge, TN. Don't know what's there now. I assume there's something left of the 1982 World's Fair in Knoxville, TN. It sucked for a World's Fair, but the theme was energy and there may be something interesting left there.

      One other idea... combine technology and the history of humans in north america and you get cliff dwellings and such. I know there are a lot of sites in the Southwest. I think maybe a few hours north of Phoenix are Montezuma's Castle and Montezuma's Well, ancient abodes which certainly predate Montezuma by a long shot. There are more impressive cliff dwellings elsewhere, and Anasazi ruins begging for visits.

    17. Re:Best museums to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just at the Kennedy Space Center last weekend, and my wife noticed that I was smiling ear-to-ear the entire day and couldn't wipe the grin off my face. I got to touch the heat shield of a Gemini capsule! I got to see the rockets used in the Apollo missions (just barely out of my reach... drat). I got to see the shuttle on the launchpad.

      It didn't matter to me that it felt like 100+ degrees... it didn't matter to me that it cost about $35 a person (note that the ticket is valid for several days). It was the time of my life!

      YMMV

    18. Re:Best museums to see by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I actually had tears in my eyes when I stood behind the awesome Saturn V rocket. How sad to think what great things humans used to know how to do in the 50s and 60s. What a magnificent time it must have been: The moon landings, the SR-71, the Concorde, the 747, the rise of transistors. Really puts the last 50 years to shame.

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    19. Re:Best museums to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For my trouble I got to see a Saturn V rocket on it's side in stages (huge!) and a lunar lander module (tiny!). I don't know if they still have those displays or what it's like since the Sept 11 madness but I'll always remember my visit there fondly.

      Still there! Just saw them last weekend. Got some of the best vacation pictures of me and my friends "holding up" the rocket (forced perspective tricks). Best.... Museum.... Ever!

    20. Re:Best museums to see by rleibman · · Score: 1

      I'm not making it up! And the card looked official. I'm glad the card is no longer there, maybe they listened to my complaints (I'm not the sort to leave something like that uncomplained) but I never heard a reply to my mail. Maybe I'll visit them again now.

    21. Re:Best museums to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust in Hari Seldon's plan. The Foundation will pull us through.

    22. Re:Best museums to see by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      The last few decades have seem personal electronics, the internet, mobile phones, global communications, and many other advances that make the '50s and 60s' seem primitive in comparison.

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    23. Re:Best museums to see by zaq1xsw2cde9 · · Score: 1

      The US Space and Rocket Center [spacecamp.com] in Huntsville Alabama is a great museum and home to Space Camp. I went several times as a kid. They've got actual rockets (Saturn V *huge* and many more) and an SR71.

      Let's see from the site: "In the museum collection, there are the original Mercury and Gemini capsule trainers, the Apollo 16 capsule, Casper and a full life size replica of the Apollo 11 Saturn V."

      Great stuff.

  23. Where are you going? by hardie · · Score: 1

    Boston Museum of Science is pretty good, we've gone several times a year since moving to New England.
    Denver Museum of Nature and Science has some excellent natural science displays. Great dinosaur exhibit, watch out for that giant pig, a really scary animal.
    Yale's Peabody museum has the Zalinger murals, Age of Reptiles and Age of Mammals, which I've always wanted to see in person. I don't know about the rest of the museum, but I bet it's pretty good.
    Monterey Bay Aquarium blows the competitors away.
    There are *lots* of Indian ruins in New Mexico/Utah area. Drawings on rock walls, cliff dwellings, etc. Have a reliable car and carry some water.
    Monument Valley is in northern Arizona, lots of weird rock locations in Utah.

    Steve

  24. The Computer History Museum (USA) by bezenek · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Computer History Museum is free and has an unbelievable collection of computer artifacts. It is in the Bay Area, so there are lots of other things you can see in San Francisco, San Jose, etc. I will leave recommendation of those up to others who will certainly chime in.

    Here is a link to the museum: http://www.computerhistory.org/

    Enjoy your trip!

    Todd

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    1. Re:The Computer History Museum (USA) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearby there is also The Tech, in San Jose. Great museum of experimental science.

    2. Re:The Computer History Museum (USA) by Tybalt_Capulet · · Score: 1

      I always joked that my 5 1/4 floppies could go to a museum, and I guess I was right.

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    3. Re:The Computer History Museum (USA) by saccade.com · · Score: 1

      Ditto votes for the CHM. I would rate it a must-see. If you go north on 101 a ways, there's also the Hiller Aviation Museum, with a nice collection of airplanes and helicopters. The Intel museum may also be worth a visit. Consider timing your visit to the Bay Area to match up with events like the Maker Faire or the various tech conferences / trade shows that come through San Jose or Santa Clara.

    4. Re:The Computer History Museum (USA) by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      The Computer History Museum is free and has an unbelievable collection of computer artifacts. It is in the Bay Area, so there are lots of other things you can see in San Francisco, San Jose, etc. I will leave recommendation of those up to others who will certainly chime in.

      The Babbage machine is really cool. I was there the day they unveiled it, and people dressed up in steampunk.

      And, if you're going to the San Francisco Bay Area, there are also plenty of other cool museums. Golden Gate Park has the DeYoung art museum, and directly across the field is a cool museum of natural history. (I can't remember the name.) These museums are about 45 minutes north of the Computer History Museum.

  25. Deutsches Museum at Munich by paai · · Score: 0

    I don't know if your trip extends to Europe, but if it does, the Deutches Museum at Munich is probably the best museum in its kind that I have seen (and yes, I have seen the Smithsonian too).

    Imagine a leading industrial nation that lost two wars, but still is one of the richest countries of the world. Imagine the urge that possesses such a nation to show the world that it still counts as a leading nation in this and other fields. Imagine (almost) unlimited funds. Now you have the Deutsches Museum.

    1. Re:Deutsches Museum at Munich by chiph · · Score: 1

      Another vote for Deutsches Museum. Awesome place - easily a two day trip by itself.

      I have a photo of me standing inside the core of a CRAY-1, and another standing next to the operator console of a System 360.

      Check their operating times before going -- if I recall correctly, they tend to close on religious holidays (ehh, Bavaria!)

      Chip H.

    2. Re:Deutsches Museum at Munich by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Fantastic museum, and almost worth the airfare. I did not get nearly enough time there.

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  26. New York Hall of Science by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

    New York Hall of Science

    http://www.nyscience.org/exhibitions/explore_exhibitions
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Hall_of_Science

    its on the old world's fair grounds seen in Men in Black. It is one of the few remaining structures from the worlds fair that is still in good repair.

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    1. Re:New York Hall of Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good to see that they are still around. I used to go there all the time when I lived in NY. They used to have a space show (left over from the World's Fair, I'm sure) in an upper room, where they had model spacecraft and astronauts on tracks and wires across the ceiling. Do they still have the Saturn V full size first stage mockup?

  27. Recomendations for the SE Michigan/Detroit area by ArmchairAstronomer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Two places in Southeast Michiagan are definately worth a visit. Caranbrook Institute of Science in Birmingham, small but well put together scinece museum and the magnificent Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. The Henry Ford has the best car collection anywhere as well as a great history of technolgy collection. If you like you can do the Greenfiled Village next door and see what daily life and technolgy were like at the turn of the 20th century. The Detroit Science center is just OK but the nearby Detroit Art Museum is great. BTW I also endorse the recomendation of the Field in Chicago... First rate.

  28. Royal Ontario Museum by dexmachina · · Score: 1

    The ROM (in Toronto) is quite good for natural history/anthropology. Some nice dinosaurs, etc., good exhibits on various world cultures, and right now they have the Dead Sea Scrolls on loan. Plus, the Ontario Science Centre isn't far and is also fun.

    1. Re:Royal Ontario Museum by MicktheMech · · Score: 1

      I'll second the ROM. It's more human-centric, but as the parent says they have a pretty good natural history section. I haven't been there since the renovations, but last I was there they had a really good bird room. The science center is decent, it's the same as every other science center in North America. As far as technology goes, if you're in the Toronto area I'd strongly recommend the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in nearby Hamilton. If you're heading further north then the National Aviation Museum is pretty good too.

  29. Chicago... by t33jster · · Score: 1

    Chicago is an excellent destination for museums. The Museum of Science and Industry would be along the lines of the Franklin Institue, Field Museum is good for natural history, Shedd's Aquarium is alright, you can even check out the Art Institute if you decide the right side of your brains need some stimulation.

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  30. Benefit of going to the source by fermion · · Score: 1
    I have found some benefit to going to the place where the technology was created. For instance, if I was more interested in history I would certainly have been to Philadelphia.

    As I am ore interested in technology, I have visited NASA Houston and Cape Canaveral. Though the displays are often very kiddie centered, seeing the original mission control is worth the trip. As long one is in Houston, the Museum of Health is worth a trip, as well as the other 5-10 museums in the area. One of the best is the Menil Collection which is a testement to the social value of oil money. The Menil is a collection of several indoor and outdoor exhibitions.

    I would also recommend the Bradbury Science Museum in Los Alamos, yes the Los Alamos National Laboratory, and the National Museum of Nuclear Science & History in Albuquerque. It has artifacts I have not seen elsewhere, such as fully reconstructed planes and missles. Way cool. Of course, the Trinity site is also a museum piece, though I have never been able to make it. It is only open twice a year.

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  31. If you're passing through Minnesota... by Pollux · · Score: 2, Informative

    Then go see the Science Museum of Minnesota in Minneapolis. I've been there numerous times ever since I was a kid, all the way through adulthood. Loved it every time.

    1. Re:If you're passing through Minnesota... by ParallelJoe · · Score: 1

      You mean the Science Museum of Minnesota in St. Paul. You must be from Minneapolis....

    2. Re:If you're passing through Minnesota... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you're in the area, there's also the Minnesota Zoo about a half an hour or so from the twin cities or the Como Zoo and Conservatory about 15 minutes away, which is much smaller than the Minnesota, but the conservatory is cool and it's free. Also in Minneapolis, there's a somewhat new museum about the flour milling industry that's supposed to be neat called The Mill City Museum. I haven't been to it yet though, so I can't really say too much about it.

      The St. Louis Botanical Garden, isn't so much a museum, per se, but a nice relaxing place to visit.

  32. Chicago and Los Alamos by jswanson · · Score: 1

    I would also recommend the Field Museum in Chicago, but first see the Museum of Science and Industry. C'mon they have a German U505 sub! I just got a chance to visit the Bradbury Science Museum in Los Alamos NM and would highly recommend it--if your interest extends to nuclear physics. The museum is somewhat small, but Fat Man and Little Boy replicas were interesting. Seeing the bombs in person made them seem more "real" to me. I always imagined them much bigger. Los Alamos itself is very unique in many ways.

  33. But remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ninjas are superior to pirates.

  34. The Museum of Jurassic Technology by savi · · Score: 1

    It's a museum for people who enjoy thinking about museums.

    http://www.mjt.org/

    The longer you're there, the more you'll realize that what's on display isn't the point, but HOW it's displayed. Also, they have a tea room upstairs that serves "real" tea, cookies, and occasionally live accordion music.

  35. Chicago Museum of Science and Industry by ZipK · · Score: 5, Informative

    +1 The Chicago Museum of Science and Industry has several one-of-a-kind exhibits, including a German submarine, a simulated coal mine, and an incredible art-deco streamline modern train.

    1. Re:Chicago Museum of Science and Industry by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the Ice Cream parlor on the first floor as well, if it is still there.

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    2. Re:Chicago Museum of Science and Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nothing. I've got a a German submarine, an incredible art-deco streamline modern train, a stash of cheeze snacks and caffienated beverages of biblical proportions, an unlimited supply of (arguably biblically prohibited) porn, all in my mother's basement, which may as well be a simulated coal mine. Best of all, admission to this museum is free!

    3. Re:Chicago Museum of Science and Industry by inhuman_4 · · Score: 1

      +1 The Chicago Museum of Science.

      I was just there last weekend on a family trip and got to checkout that u-boat. Totally awesome.

      Another nice one is the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum.

      When it comes to museums its hard to beat DC and Chicago in my experience.

    4. Re:Chicago Museum of Science and Industry by noname101 · · Score: 1

      The only place you need to go is Chicago. It has great food: Eat at Uno, and the Char-broil Shopping: Michigan Avenue, get the Cheddar Caramel mix at Garrett Popcorn you will not be sorry. Boat rides: Just one of them any one is good. Museums: Museum of Science and Industry is great. Field Museum, Art Museum, I cannot remember the name. Children's Museum, and do not miss the Aquarium. Chicago has some of the best Museums in the world. They have deals so that you can go to three of them at a discount and you do not have to wait in line to buy tickets. Everybody should go there once. Now I want to go.....

    5. Re:Chicago Museum of Science and Industry by Gospodin · · Score: 1

      Speaking of the Air&Space Museum - when you get bored with that, don't forget the new annex out in the 'burbs (can't remember which one - Google it). Another couple hundred aircraft and spacecraft to check out there.

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    6. Re:Chicago Museum of Science and Industry by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      several one-of-a-kind exhibits, including a German submarine, a simulated coal mine,

      One of a kind? There are several German WW2 submarines in museums. A simulated coal mine sounds fun, but not as impressive as visiting a real mine (I've been in several mines-turned-museums in the UK).

  36. Start off or end up at the mutter museum by my_left_nut · · Score: 1

    The Mutter Museum is right in downtown Philly, you should check it out before you leave or when you get back.

    It's chock full of medical curiosities. I think it is affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania. A must see.

  37. Bay Area: Three Choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My three nominations, in order of preference:

    1. Exploratorium, San Francisco. Aimed at kids but way more fun for curious adults, this science museum features hundreds of hands-on exhibits that demonstrate just about every area of science you can think of. My favourites are the muon detector, the giant spherical mirror and the tactile dome.

    2. Academy of Sciences, San Francisco. This just reopened a year ago after it was completely rebuilt from the ground-up to be one of the most eco-friendly buildings in the country. Highlights include the aquarium (which occupies an entire floor by itself), the indoor tropical rainforest, the living roof and the state-of-the-art digital planetarium.

    3. Computer History Museum, San Jose. Covers just about every moment in computing history, and includes a working Babbage engine and a project to reconstruct an original PDP-1.

  38. Don't forget to check for special events/lectures by cain · · Score: 1

    Once you've figured out where and when, don't forget to check for lectures and special events at the places you're visiting. They may not be as heavily publicized as the "normal" exhibitions. I live in Manhattan and regularly attend evening events and lectures and the Natural History museum here. A few months ago I saw the Phil Plait (the Bad Astronomer) there. Last week I went to a digital universe presentation in the on motion of bodies in space. Who knows, you may get lucky and see something great.

  39. nc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    discovery in Charlotte = crap
    life and science in durham = wonderful

    1. Re:nc by Sparky+McGruff · · Score: 1

      The "butterfly house" at the Durham Life & Sci is spectacular.

  40. Chicago Museums by CaptCrunk · · Score: 1

    Chicago does have the Museum of Science and Industry, but also houses the Field Museum, Adler Planetarium, and the Shedd Aquarium. While it seems that this would be less interesting, it's worth mentioning the Chicago Art Institute too. All of these museums are fairly close to each other (with the exception of the Museum of Science and Industry).

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    1. Re:Chicago Museums by StrangeTikiGod · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The Museum Campus (Shedd, Field, Adler) is just made of win. And definitely do the Museum of Science and Industry, though it's a little further down the road.

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  41. Ontario (canada) + alberta by AlizarinCrimson · · Score: 1

    Ontatio: The ROM (Royal Ontatrio Museum) -Toronto http://www.rom.on.ca/
    The Science Center -Toronto http://www.ontariosciencecentre.ca/

    Science North -Sudbury http://www2.sciencenorth.ca/

    Alberta has The Royal Tyrell Museum of Palentolgy (which may still have day trips in to the bad lands to active dig sites where you get to help). http://www.tyrrellmuseum.com/

    1. Re:Ontario (canada) + alberta by DudeTheMath · · Score: 1

      And as long as you're in Canada, why not head east to the Musée de la Civilisation in Québec? They have a temporary exhibit (until Sep 27) on extraterrestrials, which starts with movie aliens & robots, then on to odd terran life forms, and finally to a couple of speculative "planets" whose biota has been worked on by sf writers & exobiologists. There's another one (until Apr 4) on mummies that really goes into both the science and the anthropology. Then there are the historical exhibits on the Seven-years War (1756-1763; we in the states were taught a bit of it as the French and Indian War), First Nations, and general history of Quebec.

      Plus there's a freakin' huge fort (la Citadelle) just around the corner and up (and up, and up) the hill.

      Another place in town has that "Bodies" exhibit, but I don't know until when.

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    2. Re:Ontario (canada) + alberta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strongly recommend...
      Walking through the museum, the distance you walk is proportional to the duration of the period..
      Human occupation is the last metre or so.

      Great displays, and great scholarship, even if off the beaten track.

  42. AMNH & Mutter by drunken_boxer777 · · Score: 1

    My two favorites are the American Museum of Natural History in NYC and the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia.

    The AMNH is enormous; you could easily spend an entire day there, and you'd be hard-pressed to see everything in detail. It has the best dinosaur and primate sections I've ever seen.

    The Mutter is just plain cool: a museum devoted to medical oddities, like the skeleton(s) of Cheng & Eng, the 'Siamese twins'. As a PhD-wielding developmental biologist and geneticist I was happy to see some medical information on the various diseases or developmental problems that are on display. Sadly, you cannot take photos; they prefer you purchase their (expensive) photo book.

    1. Re:AMNH & Mutter by wmelnick · · Score: 1

      My two favorites are the American Museum of Natural History in NYC and the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia.

      The AMNH is enormous; you could easily spend an entire day there, and you'd be hard-pressed to see everything in detail. It has the best dinosaur and primate sections I've ever seen.

      The Mutter is just plain cool: a museum devoted to medical oddities, like the skeleton(s) of Cheng & Eng, the 'Siamese twins'. As a PhD-wielding developmental biologist and geneticist I was happy to see some medical information on the various diseases or developmental problems that are on display. Sadly, you cannot take photos; they prefer you purchase their (expensive) photo book.

      Don't forget the planetarium attached to the AMNH and the Queens Hall of Science (think Men In Black spaceships). There are dozens more all over the city. If you like locks there is an entire museum just dedicated to Locks in midtown. Try this for a listing of the museums we have in town: http://officialsite.com/index.asp?regionid=30&categoryid=12 W

  43. Geek Atlas.. by CBung · · Score: 1

    There was a Geek Atlas review posted very recently, try that.

  44. Washington D.C, NewYork, San Diego, Baltimore by Danathar · · Score: 1

    Washington D.C. = Smithsonian Institution - Natural History Museum

    NewYork = Can't remember, but good museums

    San Diego = Balboa Park

    Baltimore = Baltimore Aquarium

  45. Aviation/Space by airos4 · · Score: 1

    Liberty Science Center in Jersey is pretty decent, and has the advantage of being right near the Statue so you can do that too.
    If you're aviation/space types, I recommend the Air Force Museum in Ohio.
    http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/exhibits/

    There's also the NASA sites - Houston and Canaveral both have extensive places to walk around and see things.

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  46. OMSI by ink · · Score: 1

    The Oregon Museum of Science and Industry is incredible. I go there every time I visit Portland. I put it ahead of any technology museums in the surrounding states, including my native California.

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    1. Re:OMSI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to second this. They've done some amazing exhibits in addition to all the cool stuff that they have all the time. They also have a submarine, the USS Blueback, still submerged in the Wilamette river, that you can tour. The wiki tells more too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Museum_of_Science_and_Industry

    2. Re:OMSI by Micah · · Score: 1

      And while you're in Oregon, be sure to hit the Hatfield Marine Science Center just outside of Newport.

    3. Re:OMSI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMSI is definitely worth a look for kids, but they have programs just for adults as well:

      http://www.omsi.edu/index.php/sciencepub
      http://www.omsi.edu/index.php/afterdark

  47. Not a museum, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to go OT, and suggest that if you're into the science museum thing, you might also consider checking out some of the contemporary world technology marvels, like coal mining in Wyoming, or copper mining in Arizona, or Hoover Dam, or go watch the Space Shuttle take off. Maybe that's not your game, who knows. Extra added benefit: more fresh air than most museums have to offer.

  48. Museums, etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Air Force Museum outside of Dayton, OH. Allow 2 days.

    If planetariums are of special interest, the Buhl Planetarium in Pittsburgh is somewhat unique, in that its projector is a mid-30's Zeiss "dogbone". I don't believe there are any others left.

    1. Re:Museums, etc by gmrath · · Score: 1

      Try the National Naval Aviation Museum, Pensacola NAS, Pensacola, Florida. Allow two days. (www.navalaviationmuseum.org)

  49. Computers, nukes, and pinball! by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Informative
    (These are a few of my favorite things :)

    I second the Computer History Museum, Mountain View, California.

    Everything from a working Difference Engine to the Crays and Connection Machines that we kids dreamed about in the 80s. A fully-functional PDP-1; it still plays Slug Russel's "Space War". Within an hour's drive of anywhere in the Bay Area.

    I'll see your computers and raise you some nukes. Next time you're in Vegas for some trade show or conference, take a day and see the Atomic Testing Museum, Las Vegas, Nevada.

    Thankfully, there's nothing fully-functional here, but there lots of fascinating artifacts nonetheless. Everything from Einstein's letter to Roosevelt, to bits and pieces of a NERVA nuclear rocket prototype, to engineers' notebooks filled with humorous mementos of projects they'd worked on, to Doc Edgerton's impossibly-fast cameras. Within a 10 minute cab ride from the Strip.

    Although both museums have material suitable for laypeople and/or children, they're targeted primarily at adults with engineering backgrounds. Expect to spend at least 3 hours at each of 'em.

    Nukes are pretty cool, but you can have a lot more fun with a bunch of used pinball machine parts. And everything is fully functional in the Pinball Hall of Fame. Hey, you're already in Vegas -- flashing lights and wacky sounds are what it's all about. You won't need a DeLorean to go back in time, and it'll cost a lot less per hour than the blackjack tables.

    1. Re:Computers, nukes, and pinball! by Strudelkugel · · Score: 1

      If you are into nukes, don't forget the The National Museum of Nuclear Science & History

      Classic cars Auburn, Cord, Duesenburg are here.

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    2. Re:Computers, nukes, and pinball! by Basement_Cat · · Score: 1

      Vegas, baby. Another vote for the Atomic Testing Museum, http://www.atomictestingmuseum.org/ -- pretty cool and some fitting selections in the bookstore/giftshop. If you have time, Take 95 up past the Nevada Test Site at Mercury--

    3. Re:Computers, nukes, and pinball! by sootman · · Score: 1

      If you're in Vegas, Hoover Dam, while not a museum per se, is pretty damn awesome and worth the short drive. And speaking of nukes, as long as you're out in the middle of nowhere, consider White Sands in New Mexico. And as long as you're in that part of the country, there's also Meteor Crater in Arizona. Neither are museums but both have high geek-value. Or, if I wanted to get snootier-than-thou, I'd point out that not all of the best things are in museums.

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    4. Re:Computers, nukes, and pinball! by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      I like both the Computer History Museum and the Aromic Testing Museum, so I thought maybe you have a similarly genial recommendation for when I'll be in Washington DC on a conference in October. I won't be able to travel around too much.

      Thanks a lot in advance.

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  50. Museum of Transport by ozarkcanoer · · Score: 1

    In Saint Louis county Missouri is the Museum of Transport with lots of trains, streetcars, autos. Kids love it. http://transportmuseumassociation.org/

  51. Boston Museum of Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started going there as a child...if anything, the must-see attraction is the gigantic room-sized Van DeGraff generator....it has to be seen to be believed. It's active, as well.

  52. Cincinnati's Union Terminal! by memoryhole · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's because I grew up there, but I've always had a soft spot for Cincinnati's Union Terminal. It's a collection of museums: they have a Children's Museum in the basement (lots of fun with balls, water, and a nice big tree-like playground thingy), a Cincinnati Historical Society Museum (starts with a giant miniature recreation of Cincinnati, lots of WWII history, and includes a full-size recreation of Cincinnati's steamboat days), and a Natural History Museum (some very excellent versions of pretty standard exhibits, including a very nice walk-through cave, walk-through glacier, and some neat human-body exhibits designed for kids (but that I find fun nevertheless)). And, of course, there's the full-on old-style spherical OmniMAX theatre that just can't be beat for giving you vertigo. Add to all that the fact that Union Terminal itself is pretty interesting---it's an old train station with huge murals and an enormous lobby.

    I'm not saying it's the greatest museum ever; but it's well-done, has three museums in a single building, and I always have a good time when I go.

    1. Re:Cincinnati's Union Terminal! by no_such_user · · Score: 1

      We took our 4yo to Cincinnati's Museum of Natural History & Science this past weekend, and came out a little disappointed. I'm not a huge fan of natural history museums in general, but this felt particularly stale, as though most of the exhibits were designed in the 70's/early-80's and hadn't been updated much since. I suppose a dead animal is a dead animal... but overall, I wasn't impressed, and our son was quite bored (though four years old might not exactly be the target audience!).

      We didn't get a chance to do the other two museums (it was late on Sunday, and had free admission to the natural history museum, so free won), but the children's museum looked pretty cool, and Union Terminal itself was gorgeous.

  53. Does the windfall stretch to flight? by philwebs · · Score: 1

    If you want to see real museums go to Europe. The US has been around only a very short time. Londons museums are huge. You will need a week to skim each one. La Louvre in Paris is on many floors, and each wing is well in excess of a mile. Museums in Europe have stuff going back millenia, not just 200 years or so.

    Bear in mind the Europeans helped themselves to other countries treasures in days of empire. Even European cities go back in many cases to Roman times.

    Just suggesting that the world is not just the US.

    Phil

  54. Pacific NorthWest Aviation Museums by mike.rimov · · Score: 1

    -Boeing Museum in Seattle http://www.museumofflight.org/
    Fairly small, but has a lot of early pioneer planes hanging there.

    -Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinville Oregon (About 1 hr south of Portland)
    http://www.sprucegoose.org/ (It houses Howard Hughes' famed 'Spruce Goose'... you'll never understand just how huge that puppy is until you're nose-to-nose with it.)

    1. Re:Pacific NorthWest Aviation Museums by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      -Boeing Museum in Seattle http://www.museumofflight.org/
      Fairly small, but has a lot of early pioneer planes hanging there.

      What?

      The Boeing Factory tour in Everett is the biggest building in the world. It can hold Disneyland and still leave 12 acres for parking.

      It is an absolute must-see tour if you have any interest at all in science or technology. They are assembling AIRPLANES in front of you and they are doing it on an assembly line. No stories I have ever seen or heard showed me the raw power of the United States like that tour. (I'm Canadian) I won't spoil it for you, though. You've got to fill in the blanks yourself.

      The website you are looking for the the Future of Flight tour. The museum of flight is about 45 minutes to the south of the factory, and I'm sure it's very nice.

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    2. Re:Pacific NorthWest Aviation Museums by mike.rimov · · Score: 1

      -No, I really meant the Boeing Museum of flight, rather than the Boeing Factory tour. (Boeing Field, not Everett)

      [I checked the physical address mentioned on their website Although when I visited it, I thought it was at the North End of Boeing Field rather than the south end.]

      However, I think my review is out of date because its been about 15 years since I was there (before Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglas), and the building doesn't look familiar to me. (And the time I visited, they DEFINITELY didn't have an air park!) They must have had an expansion since I was there last.

  55. San Antonio and Denver by Vrallis · · Score: 1

    If you pass San Antonio, visit the Witte Museum. They tend to get the major touring exhibits (the plastinated Human Body exhibits, animatronic dinosaurs, Egyptian artifacts/mummies).

    If you pass Denver, stop by their natural history museum (and their zoo too, if you have the time). I was only there for a week on business once, but made it a point to visit both. It was well worth it.

  56. Creation Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last summer I took a long roadtrip, met a girl who participated in a little, uh, creation science with me. It was pretty awesome.

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  58. fishes in atlanta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the aquarium in atlanta is amazing.
    since there's little else in the city worthwhile, stop in and spend some time.

  59. I used to work at the Franklin Institute by CuriousKangaroo · · Score: 1

    I used to work at the Franklin Institute, so my recommendations are based on that. I'd like to say that while I love the American Museum of Natural History in New York, it doesn't have the same kind of interactivity. The Exploratorium in San Francisco does, although I don't remember it being as large at the Franklin Institute. It did have some very cool unique exhibits I hadn't seen elsewhere. I quite liked the Boston Museum of Science - very similar to the Franklin Institute in many ways, so your husband may like it a lot. The Liberty Science Center in New Jersey was opened by ex-Franklin Instituters, I believe, but the last time I went (admittedly, something like nine years ago), many of the exhibits were in terrible disrepair.

    1. Re:I used to work at the Franklin Institute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up going to the Ben Franklin Institute in Philadelphia frequently, and I firmly believe that it should be a required visit for any budding scientist. I have lost count the number of times I ran around inside the giant human heart, and I am proud to say that I can still remember the flow through the cardiovascular system. It is very educational and fun for any child interested in any form of science and engineering.

      That being said, it is designed and targeted for children. I recently took my wife to it because she never been to it, and while she thought it was neat, she felt kinda awkward runing around the giant heart and getting on the train engine and playing with some of the exhibits with me...

    2. Re:I used to work at the Franklin Institute by CuriousKangaroo · · Score: 1

      Absolutely agree.

  60. My favorites, (kind of) local to Philly by Naurgrim · · Score: 1

    The American Museum of Natural History of course, the NJ State Aquarium - excellent main tank, cool jelly-fish and some of the few dragon fish in captivity (it's in Camden, so watch your step!) and the Edison Museum.

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  61. Information Age exhibit by bokmann · · Score: 1

    I have no idea if its still there, but the American History Museum in DC had an Information Age exhibit that was there for at least 8 years... started with an exhibit where you could speak over the actual wire Bell used for his first phone, through pieces of eniac, other huge bohemoth computers, an Enigma (cipher machine from WWII), A TRS-80 Model 1, An Apple I, through modern computers, and ending ith HDTV exhibit (before HDTV was commonly available). I loved that exhibit.

  62. The Adventures of Al's Brain by imscarr · · Score: 1

    You just missed the Adventures of Al's Brain in 3D at the Orange County, California Fair. http://www.alsbrain.com/weird/index.html

    You can see a you tube video of it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OyljwuuJ58

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  63. Recommendations? Seriously? by lord+sibn · · Score: 1

    Okay, fair enough question to ask. But there is a stipulation that you want to avoid "creationist museums" is exactly the same as an avid follower of fox news refusing to accept the BBC as a valid authority for no reason other than "I don't believe that."

    As for me? I expose myself to every input, at every venue I possibly can. Whether I disagree with the source is another matter, but *ignoring* the source is tantamount to saying that "I have made up my mind, and I believe your opinions are of utter disinterest."

    Personally, I may not agree with the person I am talking to/hearing from, but "communication" is worthless if you choose to ignore the other person/people.

    Communication is little more than the exchange of ideas, and lots of ideas are ones with which you will disagree. However, by ignoring this input, you are no better than those who do the same. You have already made up your mind, I do not think that being brainwashed is a legitimate fear. Be the bigger man. That's all I have to say about that.

  64. Technology? by AtomicSnarl · · Score: 1

    National Air Force Museum, Dayton, Ohio. Everything from a Wright Flyer to a Mach 3 XB-70 Valkyre and all in between.

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    1. Re:Technology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is just a fantastic museum. Space capsules, B26 bombers with embryo fighters. I had three hours and didn't make it out of the first building and enjoyed every second.

  65. In the Okla. City area there is by Sooner+Boomer · · Score: 1

    Sam Noble Museum of Natural History in Norman (OU Campus)

    The National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum

    The Oklahoma City National Memorial and museum about bombing

    45th Infantry Division Museum - lots of good WWII stuff

    Oklahoma Railway Museum if you like old trains, and

    The Red Earth Museum with Native American traditional and contemporary culture and arts

    There's more, just use google maps!

    Come on by! Bring money and spend it!

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    1. Re:In the Okla. City area there is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On my own road trip this summer I drove through Oklahoma City TWICE. I have to admit the drivers there are amongst the stupidest I have ever encountered, and I'm originally from Orlando where you get tourists who tend to be both stupid AND ignorant.

  66. Ontario Science Centre by Astroturtle · · Score: 1
    Still one of my favorites. I practically grew up there: http://www.ontariosciencecentre.ca/

    They even have a nice virtual tour: http://www.ontariosciencecentre.ca/tour/default.asp

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  67. Dinosaur museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go to the Tyrell Museum in Drumheller, Alberta, Canada - possibly the best dinosaur skeleton collection on earth, plus amazing natural geography surrounds it in the form of hoodoos (look it up)

  68. Also in the NY/NJ area... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    I would highly recommend the Cradle of Aviation Museum on Long Island. Lots of early aircraft (the museum is on the site of the old Roosevelt Field where Lindbergh took off from), and extensive artifacts from LI aerospace manufacturers, including 2 Apollo lunar modules donated by Grumman.

    http://www.cradleofaviation.org/

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  69. blackjack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what's with the tags - 'forgettheblackjack' and 'blackjackandhookers' ?

    1. Re:blackjack? by rm999 · · Score: 1

      It's from Futurama:

      [after being kicked out of a theme park]
      Bender: Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own theme park, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the park!

      [after being kicked out of the lunar lander]
      Bender: Oh, no room for Bender, huh? Fine! I'll go build my own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack. Ahh, screw the whole thing!

  70. Museum Crawl tip - Become a member by Telepathetic+Man · · Score: 1

    Many science and technology museums belong to an organization that allows for discounts on admissions for all the museums. Frequently making entry free.

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    1. Re:Museum Crawl tip - Become a member by anegg · · Score: 1

      The Association of Science and Technology Centers (http://www.astc.org/members/passlist.htm) has a "passport" program that lets you leverage your membership in one museum to go to many others.

      I live in Maryland these days and am sometimes a member of the Maryland Science Center in Baltimore. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the ASTC passport program got me free admission into the Boston Museum of Science (a waaaaaaaay better science museum) while I was back home visiting my folks.

  71. The Franklin Institute isn't what it used to be by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    I too grew up at the Franklin Institute, but it went downhill. They took out the cool mechanics room and replaced it with the dumb sports exhibit. I've heard they also took out the math exhibit and replaced it was god knows what. At least the giant heart is still there. Here's my experience with other museums (not really organized) : The Franklin Institute used to rank above the other US science museums I've seen (San Francisco, Cleveland, and Boston), which are all good too (although I'm not sure how I'd rank them -- it's been a while since I've been to them).

    However, the ultimate science and technology museum is in Munich Germany -- the Deutsches Museum. You can easily spend several days there -- it covers everything (it even has one of Ben Franklin's glass harmonica's, along with everything else the Franklin Institute has...)

    As for natural history museums, I've only seen two. The Philadelphia natural history museum is good, but is on the small side. The natural history museum in New York is huge -- definitely go there (and see the attached Hayden Planetarium, if for no other reason that to hear Neil deGrasse Tyson narrate.)

    The Smithsonian is a great technology museum -- you know it's worth visiting. The MIT museum in Boston is small, but has some very interesting stuff (from robots to sculpture).

    1. Re:The Franklin Institute isn't what it used to be by richmaine · · Score: 1

      If the Franklin has gone downhill, then either it used to be darned good or maybe it was just recently. I was at the Franklin not too many years ago... well... time does seem to zip by.... I suppose it must have been on the order of 5 years though it still seems recent. I recall being quite impressed by it. Before reading the above post, I was going to post and say that the Franklin sets a pretty high standard.

      Lots of good recommendations elsewhere in the thread. All I can do is second some of them, including the exploratorium in San Francisco and Balboa Park in San Diego. Of course, it has been longer since I've been to them - more like 10 to 15 years, so I suppose they could possibly have gone downhill as well.

  72. Go to Dayton, Ohio by LaughingCoder · · Score: 1

    As an airplane nut I really enjoyed the Air Force Museum (http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/). We had originally planned to stay one day but ended up staying two. And make sure to sign up to see and tour the retired Air Force Ones that they have in a separate hangar (along with experimental prototype planes like the X-1).

    Also while in Dayton, check out the Wright Brother's Bicycle Shop!

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    1. Re:Go to Dayton, Ohio by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      ***Also while in Dayton, check out the Wright Brother's Bicycle Shop!***

      There were about six Wright bicycle shops over the years. The final one where they built their aircraft prototypes was moved to Greenfield Village near Detroit sometime in the 1930s.

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  73. a book and a recommendation by klossner · · Score: 1

    The Boingboing discussion of "Geek Atlas: 128 nerdy must-sees and an education in science, technology and geek history" describes a good reference.

    I can recommend the The American Museum of Radio and Electricity in Bellingham, Washington. My daughter and I dropped by for an hour and found ourselves staying until closing time.

  74. Deutsches Museum in Munich? by dltaylor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You didn't specify continent, so:

    http://www.deutsches-museum.de/

    1. Re:Deutsches Museum in Munich? by johannesg · · Score: 1

      You didn't specify continent, so:

      http://www.deutsches-museum.de/

      Great choice of museum. Does it have a geography section? If so, try looking up if the specified locations of "US and Canada" might imply a continent in some way.

      Oh wait, maybe you mean Munich, North Dakota?

    2. Re:Deutsches Museum in Munich? by dltaylor · · Score: 1

      I thought the ".de" domain might be a clue that the museum is in Munich, Germany.

    3. Re:Deutsches Museum in Munich? by johannesg · · Score: 1

      I thought the ".de" domain might be a clue that the museum is in Munich, Germany.

      Sarcasm really is a lost art.

    4. Re:Deutsches Museum in Munich? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry, but it says: "..in the US or Canada"

  75. Chicago by gnetwerker · · Score: 2, Informative

    While others have mentioned both the Field Museum and the Museum of Science and Industry, it should be noted that they are co-located with the (also excellent) Shedd Aquarium and Adler Planetarium. Not far away is the world-class Art Institute of Chicago. Much of this is the legacy of the 1893 Chicago World Fair, and in terms of density of world-class museums, is more bang for your time and dollar that you'll get anywhere outside of Washington DC (Smithsonian, etc) and perhaps London. You can get a multi-day pass to all of these museums for anywhere from about $70/person, and it is well worth it.

    1. Re:Chicago by nmos · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention that if the Human Body exhibit is in any of the towns you'll be traveling through it's definately worth a look.

  76. Exposition Park by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    If your trip brings you out to the West Coast, be sure and spend a day at Exposition Park. The Museum of Natural History there has, among other things, some great dinosaur exhibits. And, of course, there's the California Science Center, the best hands-on science museum in the West.

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    1. Re:Exposition Park by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHHAAAATTT?

      I guess the CSC is the "best hands-on science museum in the West" if someone nukes San Diego and Seattle and San Francisco. And the Griffith Park Observatory slides off Mt. Hollywood.

      It sucks. Horribly. It used to suck monumentally, though (when it was the California Museum of Science and Industry), so it has improved some.

      There are better science museums in every major city in the West. Including its home (Los Angeles). Even in Fresno.

      You want hands on? The Exploratorium in San Francisco. Aviation? Fleet Space Center in San Diego, Hiller Aviation Museum in San Carlos, or either of Boeing's museums, or Oakland International Airport (really -- it's behind the Alaska Airlines maintenance building). Technology? Computer History Museum in Mountain View. Military? Good atomic bomb museums are in Las Vegas, NV and Albuquerque, NM (the latter at the Sandia lab).

  77. Can you make it to Hawaii? by Shag · · Score: 1

    If you can find your way to Hilo, on the Big Island of Hawaii, we have:

    - 'Imiloa Astronomy Center of Hawaii - first planetarium in the world to have full-dome 3D projection. It's a bit of an unusual place as the exhibit space deals both with astronomy and Hawaiian culture (yes, the signage is bilingual.)

    - Mauna Kea Observatories and the Ellison Onizuka Center for International Astronomy's visitor station - rent a 4WD and catch a free tour of something extremely large and shiny. Weekends, it's the 10-meter Keck I telescope, tour meets at the visitor station at 1pm; weekdays, Japan's 8-meter Subaru telescope* offers tours; reserve yours on www.subarutelescope.org. After the tour, hang around the visitor station at 9200 feet for stargazing.

    - Hawaii Volcanoes National Park - active volcanoes, of course. 28 miles south of Hilo.

    - NOAA's Mauna Loa Observatory, where they've done the atmospheric CO2 measurements for many years. www.mlo.noaa.gov has info on viisting.

    Those are the first few things that come to mind... Hilo also has the base facilities for the CalTech Submillimeter Observatory, Gemini North, UK Infrared Telescope, James Clerk Maxwell Telescope, Subaru Telescope, NASA Infra-Red Telescope Facility, Harvard-Smithsonian Submillimeter Array and the UH 2.2-meter telescope, and NOAA's (small) Mokupapapa educational center about the Northwest Hawaiian Islands National Monument; Waimea (north part of the island) has the Keck and Canada-France-Hawaii base facilities. Kona side has the Natural Energy Laboratory of Hawaii (NELHA); I haven't been there.

    If you have any marine geeks, we have snorkeling; plant geeks we have rainforests; avian geeks we have hard-to-find endemic native birds... life is like one long natural-sciences field trip here.

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  78. Big frikin' lasers! by jkinney3 · · Score: 1

    The Toronto Museum of Science and Technology had a 40 foot long CO2 laser and a lens made of NaCl back around 1977 or so. Their demonstration of focused laser light to write the name of the presenter in a sheet of glass (it was vaporized instantly!) and burn through a firebrick in about 3 seconds was almost topped by the Argon laser that could pop a red balloon inside of a clear balloon in the same way eye surgery could be done with an argon laser. I remember the floor space of the museum was huge (I was about 15). I've always wanted to go back.

  79. Vote for Chicago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chicago has some great museums. In particular, I'd recommend the three museums just south of the Loop on the lakefront (park and walk to all three):
    Field Museum of Natural History: Sue the Tyrannosaurus, wonderful collection of anthropology and minerals, excellent Egyptology, paleontology exhibits.
    Adler Planetarium
    Shedd Aquarium (right across the street) - great reef aquarium, very nice beluga whale exhibit, and the best cafe of the three.
    The Museum of Science and Industry has been well-described elsewhere here (submarines, coal mines, railroads, oh my!); be sure to stop at the nearby Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago, which has a superb collection of near- and middle-eastern artifacts. Stop at Medici's Pizza near the UC campus for a really authentic, non-touristy Chicago-style pan pizza.
    For art, you can't beat The Art Institute and the Museum of Contemporary Art.
    For more recent history, see the Chicago Historical Society, the Catigny War Memorial (in Wheaton), and the Spertus Museum of Judaica.

  80. Boston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The Museum of Science in Boston is the best one I've been to. http://www.mos.org/

  81. Re:Creation Museum (Petersburg, KY) by grub · · Score: 4, Insightful


    they have some really good exhibits showing documented evidence which supports the Creationist view.

    What? There's evidence that a superbeing created the universe? If that were indeed true, the discover(s) would be a shoe-in for a Nobel Prize.

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  82. Re:Recommendations? Seriously? by johannesg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As for me? I expose myself to every input, at every venue I possibly can. Whether I disagree with the source is another matter, but *ignoring* the source is tantamount to saying that "I have made up my mind, and I believe your opinions are of utter disinterest."

    It is perfectly ok to make up your mind at some point, and once you realize that creationism is meaningless drivel you really don't need to expose yourself to it again and again and again in the faint hope that it might all somehow make sense one day. Isn't that the definition of madness, doing the same thing over and over again in the hope of a different outcome?

    Besides, you go on a roadtrip to have fun, not to be subjected to endless fundamentalist stupidity. I'd say skipping creationism-oriented museums is a perfectly valid approach.

  83. Define "Along the way" by wowbagger · · Score: 1

    The submitter didn't tell us what the intended route for the road trip was, so that makes it kind of hard to suggest what might be along the way.

    For example, if you are going to go through Idaho, you should see EBR-1, the first breeder reactor and the first reactor to make electrical power.

    If you are passing through Oklahoma City, you'd likely want to stop off at the Omniplex.

    If you are passing through Socorro, NM, you'd need to see The Very Large Array.

    How about you give us a bit of an idea of the route you are taking?

  84. Not a museum... by tee-rav · · Score: 1

    but the tour of the generator room at the Hoover Dam is impressive. And road-tripping there gives many opportunities for further fun. Also: tour of the Trinity Site, outside Alamogordo, NM (check schedule); Museum of Science, Boston -- I still love the van de Graaff generator (if you go, the MIT Museum and the Harvard Museum of Natural History are worth visits as well); tour of the VLA, "near" Socorro, NM; California Academy of Sciences, San Francisco.

  85. The Assoc. of Science/Technology Centers Says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a finder:
    http://astc.org/sciencecenters/find_scicenter.htm

    If this works for you, donate money. Seriously. Your children will thank you.

  86. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you like geology head to New Mexico. We have some awesome geology and all but one of the climatic zones. The outdoors as museum. Bring camping equipment.
    White sands, Carlsbad Caverns, Tent Rocks, the Jemez mountains which is a large dormant volcano, are just a few things to see. While you visit the Jemez you can visit Los Alamos which has a science museum, Bandelier Nat. Monument which is a Cliff dwelling site, the Jemez Soda dam which was formed by hot and warm spring activity. The grotto there has algae that metabolize hydrogen sulfate.
    Across the border in Arizona is the petrified forest, the Meteor crater, the Grand Canyon and you can head toward Las Vegas and see Hoover Dam.
    Fall is the best time to visit as it is cooler. The Albuquerque International balloon fiesta is in October and there will be both hot air and helium balloon launches.
    Also there is in Albuquerque the Atomic museum, the balloon museum, the natural history museum, and the Explora hands on science museum. There is a meteor museum at the University of New Mexico which is small, but has some great specimens, it is next to a nice geology museum both are in the geology building on UNM campus.

  87. Rose Center for Earth and Space by cain · · Score: 1

    The Rose Center for Earth and Space (attached to the Natural History museum) has an awesome collection of photos and a really great "Scales of the Universe" exhibit. It starts with subatomic particles and, 400 feet later, jumping an order of magnitude every 10 or so feet, ends with the size of the known universe. It uses the sphere of the planetarium itself as a reference point, Check it out: http://www.amnh.org/rose/scales-moreinfo.html

  88. Re:Recommendations? Seriously? by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful


    That's a ridiculous argument.

    In my 43 years I've never believed in a god or gods. (My parents must have raised me properly!) Would my time be better spent going to a museum/science exhibition to learn something or going to churches, synagogues, mosques, cult retreats, etc. to have supernatural woo-woo fed to me?

    Going to the religious bits wouldn't make me a "bigger man", it'd make me a "man wasting his time".

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  89. Argo Mill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.historicargotours.com/

    I got to visit this place in CO. It's a gold mine/mill. It's really pretty cool, but very specific. Maybe it falls under your 'industrial stuff' consideration. I don't know if it's worth making a special trip to go see, but if you're in the area I'd easily rate it 8/10.

  90. Ottawa Has Some Good Offerings by w00ten · · Score: 0

    If you're going through the north east a stop in Ottawa might be a good idea. We have a pretty decent Science and Tech Museum, and our nature museum is an entire castle, that has recently been redone and is very nice. Just across the bridge in Quebec there is the Museum of Civilization. Our best museum though is our War Museum. Also recently redone, it has an incredible array of old weaponry, and modern. It covers everything from colonial times, to the American Civil War, all the way to modern times. In the basement they have an impressive collection of vehicles. Everything from trucks to tanks to airplanes. Our Aviation museum is also impressive. It includes the only remaining piece of an Avro Arrow(you can still see the torch marks), large World War 2 bombers, a rotating jet engine from a Sabre Jet, and many others. Not only do we have a great array of museums, you can also explore Canada's capital, visit Parliament, see the changing of the guard in the summer time, enjoy a beach on the river(no sharks, yay!), go to the National Art Gallery, stay in the beautiful and luxurious Chateau Laurier Hotel (another castle, and right beside the Parliament Buildings). If you are in the mood for a nice picnic or something, Hogs Back is a nice spot. There are only 2 other locations in the world with the same type of rock formation. it's caused by the rift valley we live on. And when you are done, you can take a walk up the Rideau Canal. If you are really adventurous you can come in February when it's -40 and skate down the canal, the longest skating rink in the world. Then you can take in an NHL hockey game in a town that truely loves hockey(it's an experience if you live somewhere that doesn't love the game). A must see city for museums and history.

  91. In Arizona... by realDrifter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Flagstaff: Museum of Northern Arizona is excellent for local geology (Grand Canyon vicinity, dinosaurs) and Native American archaeology, arts and crafts, etc www.musnaz.org Phoenix: The Heard museum (Native American stuff) is absolutely top notch! www.heard.org And Tucson's Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum if fantastic! www.desertmuseum.org If I were doing your trip, I'd also catch some caves along the way. In Arizona, that would be Karchner Caverns (you might want to make an advance reservation, however)

  92. Speaking of Kansas... an excellent museum there by snooo53 · · Score: 1

    The World War One museum in Kansas City is first rate. They make the causes of the war, and the technology used very interesting and easy to understand, and with a depth that will give you hours of stuff to read about. Even if you have little to no interest in history, you will like this place for an hour or two visit. Their interactive trench exhibits really do make you feel like you're there. Liberty Memorial Museum

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  93. This is the coolest museum on the freakin planet. by cellurl · · Score: 1

    Its so cool, I don't know if I will tell you about it. You should pay me $10 to tell you. My 8 year old son said, "that was the best day of my life". I am serious. You will never find it, and I won't describe it, because I would never do it justice. Ask me and I may tell you. (I dont want it crowded/slashdotted!!!!) I have been to tons of lame science centers and while they are fun, this is a whole new level. Like discovering Pluto.

  94. If you are going to San Fransisco by funwithBSD · · Score: 3, Informative

    wear flowers in your hair, and visit:

    Exploratorium. This is the original hands on museum.
    The Golden Gate Park: Strybing Arboretum, Beautiful, stunning diversity, reminder of what that giant ball in the sky is for... oh and, ummm.... Biological Studies.
    California Academy of Science is nice too, as is the DeYoung.

    Over the bridge in Berkley is the Lawrence Hall of Science. I remember spending a little time with Liza there on a Pdp-11!
    Chabot Space and Science Observatory is a great little place to study the stars.
    Shockly's Semiconductor Labratory is also nearby: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockley_Semiconductor_Laboratory. Not much to see, but Palo Alto is a mecca of technology.

    and of course, the Computer History Museum.

    http://www.computerhistory.org/about/

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    1. Re:If you are going to San Fransisco by linguizic · · Score: 1

      You forgot the Lick Observatory on Mt. Hamilton. Yeah there isn't a whole lot to see, but it's one of the places that provided some of the initial tests supporting Einstein's theories. Plus, there is no better view of the entire Bay Area. Yeah you could go to Mt. Tamalpais, or Mt. Diablo and see the north bay and east bay (and if your lucky at Mt. Diablo you can see into Nevada!), but at the Lick you can see the ENTIRE Bay Area. It's also an awesome drive.

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    2. Re:If you are going to San Fransisco by Quantus347 · · Score: 1

      The Exploratorium is well worth the travel. Ive taken some students from NC out there to compete in a Martial Arts tournament a few times, and every time they said the Exploratorium was still the highlight of their trip.

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  95. SomeKid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perimeter institute in Waterloo, Canada

  96. WPAFB Dayton OH by battjt · · Score: 1

    Wright-Patterson air force base museum in Dayton OH is great!

    Growing up we used to visit the museum 2 or 3 times a year. There is lots and lots of information. There is everything from the history of flight to the latest fighters. You can see the planes, read the history, touch and walk around the planes and jets. There are explanations of the technology from the wright brothers through the stealth planes.

    Did you know that we refuel helocopters mid flight?! Have you see an atomic bomb? A B-52? A retired Airforce 1? A space capsule? A glider used by the US in Korea?

    There is enough information to occupy 4 days. I last about 6 hours on a trip; 3 hours, eat, 3 hours, drive home.

    I've been disappointed by the Smithsonian and Chicago Museum of Science & Industry, because they are tailored to people who aren't techies. I grew up in a science oriented family (we read the encylcopedias for fun kind of family) and always learn something new when I visit WrightPat.

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    1. Re:WPAFB Dayton OH by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      The Smithsonian Air and Space Annex or whatever they're calling it now, located near Dulles Airport has the rest of what you can't see at the Air & Space museum downtown, and I highly recommend it, but they don't have an XB70 Valkyrie because there's only one of two left, and I believe it to be at Wright-Pat. A Mach 3 bomber? You bet. Never went into production, though. I hope to visit sometime, but it's hard for me to come up with any other reason to be in Ohio. One other--I hear the tour of the GE locomotive factory in Erie, PA is pretty good, but haven't yet made it there, either. There might be a good tour of the EMD locomotive factory, too; it's north of the border.

  97. Science museums as habitat for AI Minds by Mentifex · · Score: 0, Informative
  98. Re:Creation Museum (Petersburg, KY) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    they have some really good exhibits showing documented evidence which supports the Creationist view.

    ...for suitably small values of both 'documented' and 'evidence'. "This book passed down through thousands of years of oral retelling, manipulated by politically eager religious authorities of many persuasions for a thousand or so more years and then interpreted by literalist whackjobs sez so" isn't really evidence.

    Unless you're actually claiming that there's evidence that snakes didn't have venom until a few thousand years ago:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/scalzi/1970009866/in/set-72157603091357751/

    ...because that's what they're passing off as "knowledge".

  99. Central Florida Museums by rainmaestro · · Score: 1

    MOSI - Tampa, FL
    Great Explorations - Saint Petersburg, FL
    Sunken Gardens - Saint Petersburg, FL

    Growing up in Florida, I used to go to MOSI (http://www.mosi.org/index.html) and Great Explorations (http://www.greatexplorations.org/index.php) all the time.

    I've heard that MOSI has gone downhill a bit, though I haven't been in a while (not since they first got their IMAX theater about 15 years ago).

    Great Explorations is a kid's museum, but *any* geek would have a good time there, regardless of age. They used to do summer camps, bringing in all kinds of animals, field trips out to the beaches, random activities like learning ASL. If you've got kids, they'll love it.

    Sunken Gardens is a botanical museum. It has kind of an interesting history to it as well. It is right next to Great Explorations, too (the new Great Explorations building is the old Sunken Gardens gift shop, which was originally a Coca-Cola bottling plant). Not very impressive during the winter, but late spring to late autumn it is gorgeous.

    Much as I hate to say it, I gotta agree with a previous poster about Kennedy Space Center. Growing up in Florida, having friends at NASA and working for a retired astronaut, I've been to that place more times than I care to count. Even in the off-season, it's still way too crowded for my tastes.

  100. Los Angeles by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

    I can't believe nobody mentioned Los Angeles as far as I can tell! These are some of my favorite museums in the area (and there are many, many more) Griffith Park Observatory LA Natural History Museum CA Museum of Science and Industry Southwest (Indian) Museum Getty Center

    1. Re:Los Angeles by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

      Ugh, cursed formatting. Lets try again.

      I can't believe nobody mentioned Los Angeles as far as I can tell!

      These are some of my favorite museums in the area (and there are many, many more)
      Griffith Park Observatory,
      LA Natural History Museum,
      CA Museum of Science and Industry,
      Southwest (Indian) Museum,
      Getty Center

  101. National Museum of the USAF by N9VLS · · Score: 1

    The National Museum of the US Air Force is worth a look if you're passing through the Dayton area along I-70. You can easily spend an entire day there, but it's segmented into different exhibits that you can pick/choose from to fit your allowed time. Lots of nearby hotels, as well.

    1. Re:National Museum of the USAF by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      I will second that, as it is awesome, it is huge, and it is free. The Smithsonian at Dulles Airport isn't as extensive, and isn't free if you park your car, for which they charge some exorbitant amount > $10 (I forget what it is.)

      BTW, if you want pictures of the exhibits, in most museums you can't do that with a flash because the exhibits are typically huge and you only get the closest part overexposed and the medium-far-away parts properly exposed and the tail-end too dark to see. I use a monopod, but if you're like me, it's a waste to go to any of the museums on the Mall in DC, as they prohibit tripods and monopods, without mentioning the monopods in the website.

      Also an excellent museum is the Henry Ford museum in Geenfield village in Detroit. They have lots of old tech there, not just cars, with a steam engine so big you climb up into it. I think it is about 1:30 PM on weekends they start a medium sized one on compressed air and run it at about 10% of it's design speed, and it's still scary to think of what would happen if you got wrapped up with it. The flywheel is about 15 feet in diameter, and the drive belt for it weighed a ton when it was in operation. No drive belt is installed on that one in the museum, however.

  102. Creation Live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget this awesome, and I might add accurate, Museum.
    http://creationmuseum.org/

  103. CA Academy of Sciences by tjanke · · Score: 1

    The brand spanking new California Academy of Sciences in Golden Gate Park, San Francisco. "An aquarium, a planetarium, a natural history museum, and a 4-story rainforest all under one roof." http://www.calacademy.org/visit/

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  104. My list by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1
    In no particular order:

    Chicago, IL

    Museum of Science and Industry - U505, captured by Dan Gallery's jeep carrier on the high seas in the Atlantic during WWII. A full size Boeing aircraft (727?), coal mine, and more. Plus it's free on Thursdays (or was in 98. A number of Chicago museums have a free day each week) Take time to walk around teh U of C next door - birthplace of the atom bomb, and a few good free museums on campus. Plus the Robie House (Frank Loyd Wright - if you really liek architecture take an architecture tour of downtown Chicago)

    Field Museum. Simply first rate, and the Shed Aquarium is next door.

    Washington DC

    Everyone's heard of the Smithsonian and the Udvar - Hazy Air Space museum (hint - take the 5a Metro Bus from the Roswell metro station to Dulles airport if you use public transportation); but if you are interested in technology take the US Mint tour, stop by the Navy Museum at the Navy Yard or the International Spy Museum, 800 F St. NW (both are also Metro accessible)

    Fort Meade, MD National Cryptological Museum - NSA's museum, complete with an Ultra device. Located just north of DC at I295 and MD 32. Baltimore MD

    B&O railroad museum if you are a train fanatic, then stop by the Inner harbor, grab some seafood at Phillips and see the Constellation, Submarine USS Tang and the USCG ship and lightship there. (If you really like submarines, there's the Navy Submarine Museum, home of the Nautilus in New London, Conn as well.)

    Dayton, OH

    Wright Patterson AFB museam - palnes, planes, and more planes

    Pensacola FL

    Naval Aviation Museum, more planes and some of the best beaches in the world. Home of Officer and a Gentleman.

    As a side note, check out the major military bases near your routes - many have museums on base as well that are very good if you like military history. For example, Aberdeen, MD has the Ordnance museum, complete with a large tank park, V2 and German Railway Gun. Fort Bragg has the special forces museum, Fort Knox the armor museum.

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    1. Re:My list by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      Naval Aviation Museum, more planes and some of the best beaches in the world.

      Last year my family and I revisited the Yorktown and other ships in Charleston, SC. Lots of exhibits, planes {including an older prop-driven plane you can climb into}, a submarine, Coast Guard cutter, and even a mockup of a Vietnam base. If you're in good health {LOTS of walking and stairs} I'd highly recommend it.

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  105. The Getty Center by Drewcool · · Score: 1

    I just got back from a trip to Los Angeles that included a stop by the Getty Center and it was as amazing and beautiful as always!

  106. question about that article by shovas · · Score: 0

    I'll freely admit I believe in a six day creation. I'm a staunch supporter of using scientific method to establish what is true. Many will think there's a conflict there between that and my faith. But there isn't. There's an incredible amount of material out there and an incredible amount of very respected professionals who have both researched and believe in creation. I don't think there are many who comment on creation who actually know the creation science community and its work in-depth. I remember reading that article and I'm not sure what conclusion I came to at the time.

    Having read the article, I'll make an observation and ask a question.

    First, barring for the moment the article in question. what many have already noticed over the course of the past few hundred years is that there has been no observation of increased genetic information.

    Do you remember that recent article about a deactivated anti-aids gene in chimps? if we hadn't known it was deactivated we might have said they evolved it to combat a modern pandemic of aids in the chimpanzee population. The interesting thing here is that the information was already there. Keep that in mind.

    My question is probably pretty obvious by now: Was the new trait, in the referenced article, brought about by new information or was it brought out by a recombination of existing information? The crux being, can this bacteria evolve into something completely different because it's creating new information, given enough time, or is it not possible because it doesn't have the information already and can only recombine what information it has?

    I'll just put this out there because seeing it in an alternate light is an awe-inspiring experience. When you give God just a little benefit of the doubt, assume he might actually be right, go out and see how this world's current state may have come about by what he's told us, you see that it's plausible, and you realize the intelligence, the wisdom, the intellect of that being, you just have to sit back, quite literally stunned.

    That last point is no excuse for the tireless pursuit of truth. It's just that some people, having seen so far what the pursuit of truth has shown them, firmly believe that science will establish the integrity of what God has been telling us, unchanging, for six thousand years.

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    1. Re:question about that article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you believe in 6-day creation, you are an idiot. End of story.

    2. Re:question about that article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You claim to be a "staunch supporter of using scientific method." Interesting.

      There's an incredible amount of material out there and an incredible amount of very respected professionals who have both researched and believe in creation.

      Oh really. Do you have any reputable source to back that up? How about even one verifiable, specific number? A single believable example? Surely if you did, as a "staunch supporter of using scientific method", you would have mentioned it.

      what [sic] many have already noticed over the course of the past few hundred years is that there has been no observation of increased genetic information.

      What "many" are you speaking of? Where is this "many" documented? Again, if you really are a "staunch supporter of using scientific method", wouldn't you have provided such basic information?

      Do you remember that recent article about a deactivated anti-aids [sic] gene in chimps?

      The one you provide no link to, and mention with the literary equivalent of hand-waving? Lucky for you, I do remember it -- as vaguely as you mentioned it. As all we have is what you wrote, let's take a look at the key part of your sentence:

      "anti-aids [sic] gene"

      Having provided no link, you've provided no proof that that phrase isn't anything more than your over-simplified and skewed description of the discovery. But that's a sloppy enough way of referring to it that I'll concede a regular or even science journalist might have phrased it that way. Even if that's the case, I'll wager that if you read the original research, as compiled by the scientists directly involved, you won't find it written that way. At most you'll read something like, "a deactivated gene that, it turns out, happens to have anti-HIV properties."

      The interesting thing here is that the information was already there.

      Oh yes, fascinating. As fascinating as the likelihood that your DNA carries the genetic information necessary for you to have grown massive double-D breasts, if only it hadn't been suppressed somehow. What exactly was your point with that statement? Do you have even a basic appreciation for how much information we carry around in our DNA? I would have been more surprised if an inactive gene somewhere did not have an effect on HIV's ability to attack us.

      My question is probably pretty obvious by now

      Actually, no it's not.

      Was the new trait, in the referenced article, brought about by new information or was it brought out by a recombination of existing information? The crux being, can this bacteria evolve into something completely different because it's creating new information, given enough time, or is it not possible because it doesn't have the information already and can only recombine what information it has?

      That's two questions, actually. To answer the first question: it was brought about by one or more mutations. Either you didn't read the article, or you don't understand basic biology ... or both. Your second question is invalid owing to the fact that you didn't know the answer to your first question.

      I'll just put this out there because seeing it in an alternate light is an awe-inspiring experience.

      So you say. So far all I'm seeing is a lot of aimless writing.

      When you give God just a little benefit of the doubt, assume he might actually be right, go out and see how this world's current state may have come about by what he's told us, you see that it's plausible, and you realize the intelligence, the wisdom, the intellect of that being, you just have to sit back, quite literally stunned.

      Oh yeah, I'm stunned alright. Who the Hell invited Him into this? Where did the "staunch supporter of using scientific method" go? I can't believe someone was so tacky as to just

    3. Re:question about that article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      seeing it in an alternate light is an awe-inspiring experience. When you give God just a little benefit of the doubt,

      I'm not sure if you're trolling, but in case you're one of those people trapped in a religious school that pretends to teach biology (and I'm gonna ignore at least three major factual errors in your biological diatribe, because I wanna talk theology with you anyways.)

      The problem with YEC types is that they aren't giving God the benefit of the doubt. And they're ignoring the awe-inspiring experiences that - assuming He exists - God's set out there for us to figure out. We've got answers most of the things in God's rant in the Book of Job, "Thus Spake God The Lord Out Of The Whirlwind", yet God could still lay that rant on us, He'd just have to change the scientific questions.

      One thing is absolutely certain about our Universe. No God hashed the whole thing together in a week some time around the invention of human writing, and He sure as hell didn't fill it with faked evidence that it's much older than 6000 years. That's the kind of hack job a human would imagine.

      God, if He exists, is way smarter than that.

      Now, take a Being that could, by nudging a couple of mathematical entities (branes), set things up such that when they intersect, a different mathematical entity (a universe) gets spawned, and one of them (maybe more than one, but how would we humans know?) just happens to be spawned with physical constants suitable for stellar nucleosynthesis, and some 13.2 billion years later - intelligent life evolves on a 4.5-billion-year-old planet that's smart enough to notice (stellar parallax) that the nearest stars are very far away, some of them vary regularly (Cepheid variables), and can be used as yardsticks to compute the distance to other consistently-bright objects (supernovae), which could be used as yardsticks to compute the distance to galaxies, which revealed the Hubble red shift, and ultimately, the mapping of variances in the cosmic microwave background radiation from the Big Bang...

      And that's just the stuff we've managed to figure out, all by using the big brains our universe and our biosphere and natural selection has enabled us to evolve.

      My God created something 13.2 billion years ago that continues to boggle the world's greatest physicsts. Science is a game we play with Him to figure out what His rules are. The smarter we physicsts get, and the more we learn about His creation, the smarter our God has to have been in order for us to still be perplexed by the awesomeness of it all.

      Six thousand years? Painstakingly creating each species, one at a time? Your God appears to be a obsessive-compulsive micromanager who - if you're going to use the Bible as your "science" textbook - hasn't revealed a damn thing about Himself to us since the days of the Roman Empire. Stop shrinking God to human standards and timeframes. If you don't comprehend a 13.2 billion year old universe, if you don't fathom a 4.6 billion year old Earth, and if you don't like how amazingly awesome it is that sentience evolved a mere 50,000 years ago - barely a tip on a 3-billion-year-old iceberg of biological awesomeness - then please, give God the benefit of the doubt that He might have done something you can't understand, to say nothing of what a shephard wrote 4000 years ago.

    4. Re:question about that article by somersault · · Score: 1

      Humans have way less chromosomes than a fern for example, but are much more complicated organisms. There is plenty of space in the genetic code to record information. No, I never studied biology or genetics so perhaps I'm getting my terminology wrong or whatever, but I do know that it's pretty difficult to tell how complex an organism is just by looking vaguely at how much 'genetic information' it has. It's another pseudo-scientific nonsense that appeals to 'intuition' rather than science, and it of course would work on most people that don't know anything about genetics..

      As for recombining information, aren't there only 4 'characters' in genetic sequences? Yet millions/billions of life forms can result. And in fact we share There are only 2 states in binary, yet given enough bits you can store basically any data you want. A 256 bit value doesn't have anywhere near as many values as a 512 bit one, but it can still store a lot of values. And we aren't just recombining info we already have, there are weird mutations happening all the time when new life is created - some are visible, and some not-so-visible.

      Believing in God doesn't entail a tireless pursuit of truth - if anything I've become a lot more interested in the world and 'truth' now that I don't believe I have all the answers laid out on a plate for me. It's just as valid to ask "where did God come from?" as "where did we come from?", but if you do a lot of Christians will look at you as if you're a blasphemer/idiot. They like to just pretend the buck has to stop somewhere, despite talk of eternity and no beginning/end, they can only apply that concept to god rather than the rest of existence. I believe that people grasp hold of that because feeling there is some overarching meaning or purpose to everything is comforting. It certainly was to me, and it's still a disappointing idea in some ways that the universe may have no 'purpose', but I'd rather look at things with my eyes open than try to explain away everything that we are discovering about the universe we live in, in an attempt to keep a desperate grasp of beliefs that we just made up a few thousand years ago (I'm going to get flamed so much for this, heh).

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    5. Re:question about that article by somersault · · Score: 1

      I missed your second last paragraph because of your rambling and my need to start replying near the top. I spent most of my life giving God the benefit of the doubt, I took my beliefs very seriously and considered myself a Christian from the ages of 14-24. Yes the bible does have an explanation for the evil around us, but I believe now that that explanation has been fitted to the world rather than the other way round. Once you can accept that it is made upm then there are no longer any 'mysteries' (as most people would call them) in the bible about why god made the devil/sin, or why he blames us for acting in a way which he actually designed us to act (not to mention that statistically if there were any chance of people taking fruit at all in the garden of Eden that it would have to happen at one point, the whole thing is a 'set up' as one of my Christian friends has recently realised - IMO this sort of thing made me think that even if your god was real, I wouldn't worship him, because he's a jerk).

      These things to me show that the bible is a bunch of crap, though when you already believe in God (most likely because you were brought up doing so, though some people are roped into it later, usually trying to get rid of some guilt in their life IMO because it's often the 'worst' people that are attracted an offer of salvation) you have to think up ludicrous excuses which place the blame for sin upon anything but God, even if he is all knowing and in control of everything, which would really make him responsible for everything that happens in his creation (especially considering in the bible Adam and Eve are not meant to have any concept of good/evil before they eat the fruit from the tree). It is a parent's responsibility to supervise a small child, the child can't be legally held responsible for anything it does before it knows the difference between right/wrong in certain situations.

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    6. Re:question about that article by shovas · · Score: 1

      Wow. I'm impressed you took the time to rip apart my post line for line. That's good. We need more dissections of errant posts around here.

      MODERATORS: Please mod the parent poster down as a troll or offtopic. And mod me down as flamebait or offtopic. I've wasted enough of my own time writing a response. Don't let any more readers waste their time reading any of this garbage.

      I certainly hope nobody does that. This kind of discussion is exactly what is needed.

      Would you care, shovas, user number 1605685 (my that IS a shiny new user account, isn't it!) to wager a guess as to what I think the real reason was for you posting that meandering soliloquy?

      I've made two or three posts now and I've already got someone questioning my user ID. Awesome. I suppose it doesn't count for anything I've been reading here since the 90s? Why join now? I didn't think it was worth it before. I enjoy the site. I read a lot of the discussion. I saw a lot of misinformation on my hot button topics I thought I'd like to weigh into, though, so I thought I'd join after hearing my buddy join up recently too.

      And, yes, I'd love to know what you think the real reason is.

      Oh really. Do you have any reputable source to back that up? How about even one verifiable, specific number? A single believable example? Surely if you did, as a "staunch supporter of using scientific method", you would have mentioned it.

      You know, mostly, I just assume if people wanted info on creation they'd google for "creation", maybe "creation science" if they think nothing of creation relating to science is out there. That's honestly why I didn't link to anything. I guess I'm seeing that most people just don't know about the creation "scene". I call it a scene, I know, but really there is a whole area of people and of study out there surrounding origins. There is so much serious research and data out there.

      Without further adieu, Answers in Genesis (quite solid, I think), True.Origin (quite impressive the history between them and Talk.Origins), Institute for Creation Research (can't vouch for them but they've been around), Creation Research, and, I wish I had this in front of me, but a few weeks ago I was reading this dense, dense study on the atmosphere, it's composition, and relating it to young earth concepts.

      This is just an example of what I thought most people would do: Google for "creation". Those are the items of interest which I particularly respect or that have a history. There is a whole world of creation science out there just a google away.

      Do you have even a basic appreciation for how much information we carry around in our DNA [go.com]?

      You are amusingly abrasive. That's ok, I can take it. I have a fuller apprecation than you know, although I'm always willing to learn more. The linked article is interesting and something, as I've read the news over years, I've already thought about (ie. "junk dna" is just our name for something whose purpose we haven't figured out yet).

      To answer the first question: it was brought about by one or more mutations. Either you didn't read the article, or you don't understand basic biology ... or both. Your second question is invalid owing to the fact that you didn't know the answer to your first question.

      Perhaps you want to read up on genetic mutation. My layman terms for pedant terms aren't really that confusing.

      Did a mutation occur in which the genetic material acquired new information? My suggestion is that the mutation we're seeing is a re-expression of existing information.

      Oh yeah, I'm stunned alright. Who the Hell invite

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    7. Re:question about that article by shovas · · Score: 1

      No, I'm not trolling. I'm not in school so, no, not trapped in any school teaching questionable topics. I would love to hear the factual errors, I'm all about knowing what is the truth.

      The problem with YEC types is that they aren't giving God the benefit of the doubt. And they're ignoring the awe-inspiring experiences that - assuming He exists - God's set out there for us to figure out. We've got answers most of the things in God's rant in the Book of Job, "Thus Spake God The Lord Out Of The Whirlwind", yet God could still lay that rant on us, He'd just have to change the scientific questions.

      That's really interesting. I've always thought many people put God in a box so we can understand him. Some christians go along with evolution because it makes things really simple: God is God and, if I don't think about it too much, evolution is an unproblematic way that things came to be.

      What I'm doing is sitting back, letting God say his piece, giving him the benefit of the doubt, going out and seeing if he's on crack or not.

      My idea of giving the "benefit of the doubt" is counter to what I see many people do. What I see are people who love the idea of a faith and a god but then they go and ignore the texts they call holy and think that certain thigns can fit into the bible.

      My view on the bible is that it is way too coherent and way too cohesive to be, for example, shoe-horning evolution into the account of creation.

      I would not believe in a god who couldn't get his bible right. What I've found, through numerous discussions just like this, is that the bible has proven itself time and again.

      One thing is absolutely certain about our Universe. No God hashed the whole thing together in a week some time around the invention of human writing, and He sure as hell didn't fill it with faked evidence that it's much older than 6000 years. That's the kind of hack job a human would imagine.

      Hashed? The guy made a brilliantly elegant, partly organized and partly chaotic...complete universe. It's work of art.

      Yeah the "faked evidence" bit is a popular conception of the account of creation. When you really get into it there's really much, much more going on. Why do things look so old? I don't know exactly off the top of my head. Try googling "starlight and time". It's an interesting cosmological theory that tries to solve some time problems while taking the genesis at its word. It may not stand the test of time but I've always been impressed at the outside the box thinking. The flood of genesis, and the surrounding issues of what the world was like before and after, may also be related in many ways to why the world appears old. Note this is all due to calibration of dating methodologies which make assumptions about half-lives and life spans.

      God, if He exists, is way smarter than that.

      Hey, no qualms there, God is smarter than I give him credit for. Nobody will ever truly fathom him until, perhaps, we die and see what's what

      Now, take a Being that could, by nudging a couple of mathematical entities (branes), set things up such that when they intersect, a different mathematical entity (a universe) gets spawned, and one of them (maybe more than one, but how would we humans know?) just happens to be spawned with physical constants suitable for stellar nucleosynthesis, and some 13.2 billion years later - intelligent life evolves on a 4.5-billion-year-old planet that's smart enough to notice (stellar parallax) that the nearest stars are very far away, some of them vary regularly (Cepheid variables), and can be used as yardsticks to compute the distance to other consistently-bright objects (supernovae), which could be used as yardsticks to compute the distance to galaxies, which revealed the Hubble red shift, and ultimately, the mapping of variances in the cosmic microwave background radiation from the Big Bang...

      On first im

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    8. Re:question about that article by shovas · · Score: 1

      I wonder, when you started questioning the integrity of your belief, did you keep going that route or did you try to make your faith prove itself?

      I had a very similar situation. I considered myself a christian from 0-23 or so. For some reason, I told myself that I didn't want to believe a lie and if I didn't want that than my faith had better be true. So I put it to the test. I've had countless disussion about the integrity of the bible and of questions about the faith. Researching every accusation I came to the conclusion the bible resoundingly stands on its own. That cemented my faith.

      I should note I didn't just test my own faith. I started researching other faiths to see if they were in fact true.

      Sin is an interesting aspect of christianity. Many have argued that in order for there to be any free will at all - actions counter to what is good for you must be possible. And what is good for you is the point tht God was trying to make: That you should obey Him in everything that you do - which up to that point was just simply not eating of one tree. God created them and put them in a perfect situation. Is that the sign of someone with bad intentions?

      These things to me show that the bible is a bunch of crap, though when you already believe in God (most likely because you were brought up doing so, though some people are roped into it later, usually trying to get rid of some guilt in their life IMO because it's often the 'worst' people that are attracted an offer of salvation) you have to think up ludicrous excuses which place the blame for sin upon anything but God...

      That's so classic. The worst people are attracted to salvation? You betcha! It's only when you realize your depravity (simply because you couldn't keep up your own version of "good") that you realize you need salvation and there's nothing you can offer anymore for it. All you can do is except the grace that would save someone as unworthy as you or I are.

      Jesus told the religious elite of his time that he came as a doctor, not to for those who were well, but for those who were sick. It's just that most people's pride blocks them from seeing or admitting they are just as sick as the worst offenders in society. And so those religious elite didn't get it. Even today many don't get it.

      It is a parent's responsibility to supervise a small child, the child can't be legally held responsible for anything it does before it knows the difference between right/wrong in certain situations.

      Are you claiming that, in your adulthood, you don't know the difference between right and wrong? We all know the difference. We know the difference in our own ways because we violate our own versions of how we "ought" to live - when we break our own code. And the amazing thing is God knows that not everyone has His absolute law of what is right or wrong - but he made each of us know within degrees how we should be acting. That's how we know something's messed up. That's a prompting to go and look for something - that something is God who has been telling us a single thing for all eternity: Follow Him.

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    9. Re:question about that article by somersault · · Score: 1

      I wonder, when you started questioning the integrity of your belief, did you keep going that route or did you try to make your faith prove itself?

      What do you think? I have always questioned my beliefs and had answers from others, or answers that I thought up myself (based on the bible, which I have read in its entirety, twice, and the new testament lots more times..). It would be a lot less objective of me to always consider things from the point of view that "the Christian god is real, now how can I twist everything else to fit into that worldview?", which is what I and most of my friends and family have been doing their whole lives. They never truly consider the idea that god might not be real, and that just creates a very biased mindset. Having seen it and argued it from both sides now, I like to think I am being more objective.

      Note that I didn't consider myself a Christian from zero, I took the whole issue very seriously and wanted to make sure I was genuine without too many doubts before becoming a Christian when I was 13/14. Since then I have had multiple times in which I questioned things, and as you say most things made my faith stronger and made me think wow the bible explains the world so well! But now I have come across things which the bible simply gets wrong or doesn't account for, and see that it would be quite easy to make a religious book that fits to the known world, but later on starts failing, which I think is happening now in educated countries.

      I've never particularly looked deeply into other faiths, there are usually basic things about their beliefs which I feel make it obvious that they aren't true. Same as I now feel with Christianity. It's obvious that most religion is simply man-made pap, and it's seems quite likely to me now that it all is.

      God created them and put them in a perfect situation. Is that the sign of someone with bad intentions?

      Yes, considering those who do sin are supposedly punished eternally in Hell. If an omniscient and all powerful god created us, he would have basically been able to set a slider saying how many people are going to heaven, and how many are going to hell. If sinners were simply wiped out then I'd find that easier to accept as a "loving" act, but overall I just find the whole situation rather farcical these days. To try to equate the whole thing with love, when the majority are meant to end up in pain, seems foolish. It would be more loving to not create anything at all rather than start such a silly game just so he can feel more "loved" (which isn't he meant to feel perfect love and communion in the trinity anyway? I just think it is all such a load of nonsense now, it makes much more sense as a story created by humans, because it just doesn't tie up very well IMO).

      I accept that I do wrong things, and I was self-convicted of my sin most of my life. I get it. But now that I have experienced things from the other side I don't think that all atheists are simply pretending god isn't there because they hate him, or that all people are just ignoring their consciences etc. Christianity really exaggerates a person's conscience by making them feel guilty for perfectly natural things (yes you could say they're only natural because sin entered the world, whatever - combined with everything else, it doesn't seem to be that way).

      No, I was talking about small children. We aren't like adults when compared to some all powerful God. And even if we now are with our levels of knowledge, any Adam and Eve wouldn't have been. To then punish the children of those people before they have done anything wrong themselves is also dumb.

      You can keep preaching at me all you want, but I sat through 24 years of it, and I can usually see flaws in the argument that aren't being addressed. It's amazing how you just 'discard' a lot of sensible arguments as a Christian because you assume that people are only saying them because they "don't get it" or are just

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    10. Re:question about that article by shovas · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I find it very difficult to write these in-depth posts. I don't know why, it used to come easier. At any rate, that's my excuse for my tardy reply.

      It would be a lot less objective of me to always consider things from the point of view that "the Christian god is real, now how can I twist everything else to fit into that worldview?",

      I know my explanations sometimes come off like "assume god is right," but I honestly try to word it in such a way as to deflect that.

      The truth is I approach any biblical issue like anything else that needs proof. I see a statement implying truth and I say, ok, let's go out and prove it.

      They never truly consider the idea that god might not be real, and that just creates a very biased mindset.

      I honestly think most christians doubt their faith quite a bit, perhaps daily. They're not great doubts, they're just nagging doubts. Most christians work out their faith in a very internal way so you wouldn't notice. I often find my second-guessing my faith and I have to remember all the moments in my life that prompted my belief.

      I think you should give them a little more understanding. People pose in public but mostly people aren't as hard as they appear.

      But now I have come across things which the bible simply gets wrong or doesn't account for

      Now that's where I came from. I had these things thrown at me, these flaws in the bible. I told myself that if I was going to believe in this god than his bible had better stand on its own. So I went out and found out how the bible does stand on its own.

      and see that it would be quite easy to make a religious book that fits to the known world, but later on starts failing, which I think is happening now in educated countries.

      Oh it's been happening for a lot longer than that. In any age where knowledge has been respected, wise men have "doubted" and people followed. Who wants a cosmic killjoy anyway? It's so much easier to just live without him anyway.

      These religious quandaries have been going on ever since man was created. Many come to faith by it (and "faith" it is, in the end) and many do not.

      I say it's a "faith" not because the bible gets things wrong--I don't believe it does after years of studying it and researching it--but I call it a faith because god, being outside his creation, may or may not be able to be observed by the laws inside the universe. That's why, when it comes right down to it, if we can not observe God, than belief in that God is a faith matter. Again, many have come to the conclusion that it's a natural conclusion to come to.

      Same as I now feel with Christianity. It's obvious that most religion is simply man-made pap, and it's seems quite likely to me now that it all is.

      I've absolutely had that same thought that it's clear most religions are clearly man-made. The beautiful thing about God's faith is that it's downright topsy-tervy, not at all like what man would think up. It's foolishness.

      God claims we're sinners and then provides an effortless way out? We sin, so God sacrifices the one person who couldn't be blamed to save us? God, the perfect one, provides forgiveness to us, in comparison worthless to a god? God puts up with Job questioning him? And then he turns around and doesn't answer a single question but raises more questions about just how strange and amazing this creation actually is? God uses sacrifices but never thought of the sacrifice of humans except in the single case it was least warranted? God calls King David a man after his own heart, this guy who slept with another man's wife and then had the man killed? I'd could go on and on and on...

      Just thinking about all the little things God's word speaks about and which are absolutely not what man would've written about a religion...I am ceaselessly amazed.

      I get this idea because

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    11. Re:question about that article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to be like you and argue for Christianity here on /. and other places, so I appreciate where you're coming from, and I know you are genuine in what you are saying, but I still think you missed the main point I made which is - even your "doubts" are not doubts that God is there, they are doubts about the bible which you can then always find excuses for as long as you believe God is real.

      The bible is a cleverly written book yes, but I think the stuff about it being "foolishness" is also just reverse psychology. A lot of people like to feel special/different and go counter-culture even if everyone else thinks it's stupid. I actually started seeing Paul as a much more clever man after I started viewing his letters as well crafted lies (I like especially how basically the bible lays things out so that you can never ever test god, and prayer will only be granted if god wants it to be, so no matter whether you try to prove he's there or not, all the bases are covered as to what results you will receive). Most of the teaching in the new testament wasn't given in the life of Jesus, it was added in as 'inspired' letters to the churches.

      I have already considered all the issues and reasoned past my doubts, but now I see I was just using confirmation bias etc as most religious people do (even scientists fall prey to it, I've been reading about the history of studies into dietary fat and it's scary how much we've all been duped into thinking dietary fat beyond trans-fats are dangerous, with no good evidence - only studies which agreed with Ancel Keys' hypothesis were put into the public eye etc).

      "What the thinker thinks, the prover proves" is a good quote about how the mind works. If you believe something, you will prove to yourself that it is true, somehow, you will grasp hold of anything that agrees with your viewpoint and rationalise away everything else. When something is true it can usually be demonstrated quite simply without all the explanations for every single case where things don't agree. If you are having to reassure yourself constantly about something, explaining away special cases all the time, chances are it isn't true.

      I know how scary doubts can be, and I respect people that stand up for their beliefs, but it's also sad how many billions of people the world over fervently believe in their gods when obviously they don't exist. Some might think they can all exist simultaneously, but since at least 4 billion people believe in only one god, that can't really be the case. I believe that religion does have positive effects on society and individuals, but overall I still see the whole thing as having a negative influence. Of course as I've already indicated, irrational patterns of thinking and belief are seen everywhere, even among scientists. They also can satisfy themselves by only seeing what they want to see, explaining data that disagrees with their beliefs by using more and more far fetched excuses.

    12. Re:question about that article by somersault · · Score: 1

      Oops, I somehow clicked post anonymously.. if you're going to reply, reply to this post please!

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  107. If you're interested in early aviation history... by PatMcGee · · Score: 1

    Check out the College Park Aviation Museum, just north of DC. I took a friend who was a nut about that stuff, and he went wild. He kept saying, "I knew that happened, but I didn't realize it happened HERE!"

    They also have a full-size mockup of the controls of a Wright Flyer hooked to a flight simulator program. After attempting that a few times, I thought it was a miracle that the first fatal accident didn't happen a whole lot earlier.*

    http://www.collegeparkaviationmuseum.com/home.htm

    OTOH, if you don't care about pre WWII airplane history, don't bother.

    *OK, imagine this. You're sitting in the plane. Your air-speed indicator is a piece of string hanging from a spar in front of you. You've got two levers, one on each side of you. If you're sitting in the pilot's seat, moving the left-hand lever front or back moves the alerons, changing your angle of attack from up to down. Moving the right-hand lever controls the warp. Pushing forward rolls you right, and pulling back rolls you left. Or maybe I'm mis-remembering and it's all backwards from that.

    Now imagine moving over to the co-pilot's seat. The levers are reversed: right is alerons, left is warp.

    And the throttle is a switch. It's either on or off.

    I thought it was a minor miracle that it only took me three or four attempts to keep it in the air for two whole minutes without crashing.

  108. Some more across the country by foxd · · Score: 1

    Three that I have enjoyed are:
    Marshal Space Flight Center, Huntsville, AL
    The Atomic Museum, Albuquerque, NM
    The Cosmosphere, Hutchinson, KS
    There are many more possibilities. Most large government labs, such as Fermilab have tours and/or a visitor center. Most large universities have museums. These are often small but sometimes excellent and some have not been "dumbed down" like some of the larger public museums.

  109. NYer here... by bytethese · · Score: 1

    I also have to recommend the Natural History Museum here, it's spectacular. Also the Hayden Planetarium hits my geek nerve in just the right way. Also if Science is your thing, you can try to swing by City College to catch a glimpse of Michio Kaku. :)

  110. Albuquerque, NM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're headed down historic Route 66 through Albuquerque, the National Museum of Nuclear Science and History is near the east end of town on Eubank near Kirtland AFB and the Sandia National Laboratories. South of Houston, Tx is the NASA Space Center - they have a great display of space stuff and a full size Saturn V rocket you can walk around.

  111. Really cool if you like tanks... by MiniMike · · Score: 1

    The military kind of tank, that is. You could go to the United States Army Ordnance Museum for a day of wandering around a huge collection of tanks and other military stuff. Very cool museum. I once spent several hours wandering around it. And it's not too far from Philly.

  112. Chicago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in Seattle there isn't much I'd recommend. Boeing has a few here and there, but nothing great.
    Having grown up in Chicago I may have been spoiled. As others have mentioned, you'll want to visit the Museum of Science and Industry, the Adler Planetarium, The Field Museum of Natural History. You may also want to check out the Chicago History Museum, the Illinois Railway Museum, the Lederman Science Center, the Peggy Notebaert Nature Museum, Cernan Earth and Space Center, the Chicago Athenaeum, the Museum of Broadcast Communications, and the International Museum of Surgical Science.

  113. Experimental Breeder Reactor I in Idaho by HtR · · Score: 1

    My family recently returned from Idaho, where we saw the world's first nuclear power plant. Tours are provided of the entire plant, including the control room, the rod storage area, and even the actual core. You can also play with the fuel-handling control arms. The tour guide was great as she knew a ton of engineering details and many anecdotes about the people who made history there. Check it out at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_Breeder_Reactor_I

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  114. If you're around Boston: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could check out the Mary Baker Eddy library. While not necessarily falling into your categories and being religious based, it has the Mapparium. It's a thirty foot tall stained glass globe of the world made it 1935. Pretty impressive.

    However, I wouldn't go to the science museum in Boston.

  115. If you end up in New Mexico... by Mandi+Walls · · Score: 1
    The New Mexico Museum of Space History http://www.nmspacemuseum.org/ is near White Sands http://www.nps.gov/whsa/ and has some interesting bits and pieces.

    Plan your drive around the missile test schedule http://www.wsmr.army.mil/wsmr.asp?pg=y&page=202

    The drive out to the VLA is worth it to see the telescopes, though there's not much in the way of a museum there. http://www.vla.nrao.edu/

    I've also heard good things about lanl's Bradbury Museum, but I've never been there. http://www.lanl.gov/museum/

    Spaceport America was originally scheduled to have a hangar and terminal in 2010, so there might be something there worth checking out. http://www.spaceportamerica.com/

    1. Re:If you end up in New Mexico... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plan your drive around the missile test schedule http://www.wsmr.army.mil/wsmr.asp?pg=y&page=202

      The drive out to the VLA is worth it to see the telescopes, though there's not much in the way of a museum there. http://www.vla.nrao.edu/ [nrao.edu]

      Speaking of White Sands, don't forget Trinity Site. White Sands Missile Range opens the site to the public for two days a year. Stand on the spot where humanity detonated its first atomic bomb. The base folks provide a bus that makes a few side trips from the main site to the buildings where the gadget was built, and where the engineers witnessed the test. Most of the buildings still stand and some are in the process of being restored. If you ever played Infocom's Trinity, you'll recognize a lot of landmarks. (If you haven't, play it! It's some of the best interactive fiction ever written.)

      The VLA gives guided tours on those two days, owing to the large number of fellow geeks in the neighborhood.

  116. London by johno.ie · · Score: 1

    I know you specifically asked for museums in North America, but you'd save a lot of travel time and get to see some of the best museums in the world within walking distance of each other if you go to London. I spent a week there once, just going to museums and I wanted to stay for a month. Hyde Park is the best place to start IMHO.

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  117. YUP by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    I have not done the Exploratorium, but have done the others. And yes, I would say that they are the best. As such, next time I am in SF, I will have to hit Exploratorium.

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  118. Goldstone, in the Mojave Desert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're passing thru the Mojave desert, perhaps heading towards Los Angeles along the I-15 or the I-40, stop in Barstow and check out the Goldstone Deep Space Network site. It's run by JPL and is the only DSN site in America. They offer free tours, scheduled in advance. Goldstone is 30 miles north of Barstow, CA on Fort Irwin. There's a museum where they showcase the missions supported by the Deep Space Network, then you can ride around the site and check out the various dishes and control centers. The 70m dish is absolutely massive. They provide the comms for the Mars rovers, Cassini, Voyager, and anything else further out than the moon. Did I mention it's free? Your tax dollars at work.

    http://deepspace.jpl.nasa.gov/dsn/features/goldstonetours.html

  119. Unexpected windfall by monkeySauce · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    An unexpected windfall has enabled my husband and me to plan a road trip next year

    So grandpa finally kicked the bucket, eh? Why don't you think about what he would have liked to spend the money on? Maybe find a young, hot gold digger and shower her with money. Maybe you'll get a threesome out of it. After that, if you're still hung up on this museum thing you can all go check out the Erotic Heritage Museum. I'm sure grandpa would approve.

    1. Re:Unexpected windfall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is sofa king funny

  120. Canadian War Museum - Ottawa Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Canadian war museum is one of the most thoughtful and sobering experiences in a museum that I have experienced to date. It tells the history of armed conflict in north america (natives) through to the current conflict in afghanistan.

    It is a thoughtful, peaceful and emotional experience, which I would recommend to anyone.

    You can also check out the museum of civilization in Gatineau just across the river while you're in town. It has an Omnimax screen (think Imax but bigger and a dome) for cool documentaries.

    1. Re:Canadian War Museum - Ottawa Canada by KnightElite · · Score: 1
      Seconding this. I felt much the same. I visited this for the first time about a month ago, and was very impressed. Definitely one of the best museums I have ever been to.

      They have a large room with a bunch of military vehicles/artillery as well, spanning from bore loaded cannons to Leopard Tanks and M109 Mobile Guns. Some of these have decent signage (most of the tanks, and vehicles along the outer building wall), while a lot of the stuff in the middle is interesting, but unfortunately not presented with any documentation.

      The main galleries, however, are excellent, as described. If you're going soon, there's an exhibit about camouflage that's currently running there, created in conjunction with the Imperial War Museum in London, that was quite interesting. If you're hardcore into museums, as you seem to be, allocate a full day for this one.

  121. The Royal Tyrell Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Royal Tyrell Museum, http://www.tyrrellmuseum.com, just outside Calgary, Alberta is my favourite museum in the country (Canada that is ;) ... All dinosaur bones, all the time ... how could you go wrong?

    Also, Calgary (boring city, but a decent Zoo), Dinosaur Provincial Park (where you can go an see where they dug up most of the dinos in the Tyrell for yourself) and the Rockies are all within a few hours of easy driving. It's a great area for a road trip!

  122. If you are near Seattle by Dirty+Fool · · Score: 1

    If you are near Seattle I highly reccomend the Museum of Flight at Boeing field. See some great history and awesome jets. http://www.museumofflight.org/

  123. Marshall Space Center in Huntsville AL by Tisha_AH · · Score: 1

    I would recommend the Marshall Space Center in Huntsville AL. It is about 15 miles due east of I-65 if you are making a north-south trip across the middle of the country.

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    1. Re:Marshall Space Center in Huntsville AL by shiftless · · Score: 1

      I second this. For those who are unaware, this is where the Saturn V rocket was developed. It's been a LONG time since I've been but I recall they have SkyLab and Apollo modules you can check out, an assortment of every space suit used in the space program from beginning to present, and all sorts of other neat stuff including an Imax theater.

  124. Ottawa Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a number of appropriate museums in Ottawa Ontario Canada.

    Canadian Museum of Civilization
    100 Laurier Street, Gatineau Quebec
    http://www.civilization.ca/

    Canada Science and Technology Museum
    1867 St. Laurent Blvd., Ottawa Ontario
    http://www.sciencetech.technomuses.ca/

    Canada Aviation Museum
    11 Aviation Parkway, Ottawa, Ontario
    http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/

    Canada Agriculture Museum
    Prince of Wales Drive, Ottawa, Ontario
    http://www.agriculture.technomuses.ca/

    Canadian Museum of Nature
    240 McLeod Street, Ottawa Ontario
    http://www.nature.ca/

    Diefenbunker Canada's Cold War Museum
    3911 Carp Road, Carp Ontario
    http://www.diefenbunker.ca/

    Canadian War Museum
    1 Vimy Place, Ottawa Ontario
    http://www.warmuseum.ca/

    National Gallery of Canada
    380 Sussex Dr., Ottawa Ontario
    http://www.gallery.ca/

    I probably shouldn't have bothered, as posting AC on slashdot is like pissing into the wind, but at least you can't be banned from posting altogether, as registered users can be. (by other users at that - nuts... I'll never figure that one out - sadism perhaps?)

  125. Round-about science and technology by mcneely.mike · · Score: 1

    Try Upper Canada Village in Morrisburg, Ontario, Canada... it is very nice. The people there talk and act as if they are still living in that era, you can ride in a horse drawn cart and in a horse drawn boat. A walk around the village lets you see back in time to how the black-smith made horse-shoes, the broom-maker made brooms, etc. There is a mill there where they make boards out of trees in an actual working mill (powered by water). If you has the moolah (I think it was $20), you can dress in the old style and you can also ride a penny farthing bicycle!
    I wanted to try the old-fashioned pan-fried perch, but hadn't the money. Ended our day with a loaf of fresh baked bread from a stone oven though!

    It is old science, but very exciting (geek alert) science/tech.

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  126. Heureka! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heureka in Helsinki!

  127. Goldendale Observatory by serutan · · Score: 1

    Goldendale Observatory is a small public observatory. Since it's not booked up by astronomers doing studies, you don't just tour the facility and then peek through the telescope and leave. Instead most of the time is spent looking at things. Groups are small and the volunteer guides, who are knowledgeable amateur astronomers, will point the telescope at whatever you want. Last time I was there nobody else had any requests, so I asked the guide to show us some stars with distinct colors. He launched right into an impromptu sky tour of 6 or 7 good ones. I really like that place. About 15 miles south is an interesting full-size concrete replica of Stonhenge, built by a concrete industry tycoon after WWI.

  128. Dayton OH & Fort Knox KY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you like military museums, the Air Force Museum in Dayton is very cool, as is the Patton Museum of Armor in Fort Knox, Kentucky.

  129. Chicago by quantumQ · · Score: 1

    Start with the Museum of Science and Industry. Amazing.

  130. Minneapolis/St. Paul by smchris · · Score: 1

    I think the private aquarium in the basement of Mall of America deserves some credit. To compare it to the old National Aquarium in the basement of Labor on the D.C. Mall I think would be an insult to Underwater World, but it obviously doesn't have space like the Shedd. Lot of sharks, many species and many displays but it doesn't do something like a dolphin show. The main attraction is one of those acrylic walk-through designs for better or worse. Mostly better because it's a lot of fun and reasonably long.

    Science Museum of Minnesota. Dunno. They all look alike to me. Floors of demos and interactive projects for kids, dinosaur bones, theaters and a marine emphasis with the tugboat and Mississippi River education. Plan for good weather and the veranda on the St. Paul Mississippi River bluffs is superb.

    Couple specialties:

    The Pavek Museum of Broadcasting, 12,000 sq. feet of antique equipment display, training, restoration, etc.

    Mill City Museum. Postmodern in the sense of a modern tech history museum built within the fire-ravished ruins of a national heritage site they didn't care enough about quickly enough to preserve intact. Technology of flour milling back when Minneapolis/St. Paul was where Great Plains wheat went to become flour for the country.

  131. Best Tech Museum EVAR - The Mariners' Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Mariners' Museum ~ Newport News, Virginia

    We also enjoyed the Tennessee Aquarium.

  132. ScienceWorks in Ashland, OR by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    ScienceWorks Hands-On Museum in Ashland, Oregon. It's not big. It's for kids. It's a bunch of cheaply made science demonstrations. But this is the most brilliant museum I've ever seen.

    First, there's enough stuff in it that kids actually get to do hands-on, rather than crowding around in a big group watching one kid do hands-on. Second, the stuff is either tough and durable or well-maintained or both, because it all works.

    When I walked in, the first thing I saw was a column, with two ends of a long length of 3" flexible pipe hanging down within reach, and a placard suggesting you put one to your ear and talk into the other. On craning your neck back, you see that the pipe runs up the column, across the ceiling of the building in big hanging loops, across, around, back, and down the column again. You talk in one end. You hear your voice come back with a half-second delay.

    You can stand on a platform surrounded by a little moat of soapy water, and pull on a rope which lifts a ring out of the moat and surrounds you so that you are inside a cylindrical soap bubble.

    No kidding, it's sensational. The nearby Crater Rock Museum in Central Point is also small--five or six big rooms--but, dare I say it, a little gem and worth a stop if you happen to be in the area anyway.

    1. Re:ScienceWorks in Ashland, OR by Sparky+McGruff · · Score: 1

      I visited the High Desert Museum just south of Bend, OR a few years back. It wasn't huge, but it was pretty well done.

  133. Re:This is the coolest museum on the freakin plane by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    ScienceWorks in Ashland, Oregon. Am I right?

  134. Re:If you're passing through Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Museum
    Seriously worth a trip. You can get a discount flight to Germany for quite cheap and this muesuem actually 4 museums is unbelievable. Munich is fun as well.

  135. Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_Cosmosphere_and_Space_Center

    Seriously, this place is hot stuff. They are so hot, that they cleaned up the Liberty Bell 7 after it was retreived from the ocean floor, 38~ years after sinking. They built tons of the space stuff used to film Apollo 13. Their collection is amazing, and extensively covers the rocketry that eventually made the space race possible. I can't say enough about this place, and I make the trek from Dallas to here every couple years, even though I could more quickly get to the NASA center in Houston. Cosmosphere rocks.

  136. Museum? Really? Why Not Meet Living Science? by mencomenco · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why settle for exhibits when you can visit live labs, see real data and meet interesting, famous and soon-to-be-famous scientists? Come to Tucson and visit your dollars at work.

    If Hubby weaned happily at Franklin he's gonna flip out for the University of Arizona's Steward Observatory Mirror Laboratory where almost every major telescope on Earth (and beyond) gets it's mirror -- some are up to 20 feet across. Tours, interviews, whatever. While in Tucson make sure to sample our cooking, the food's insane great here! And, of course, you can marvel at the Grand Canyon either before or after.

    Newest Scope is the Large Binocular Array Observatory, at Mount Graham, AZ (70 miles east of Tucson but close enough to I-10 for a day trip) Dual 20-foot mirrors, scanning the Universe with public tours, seminars, etc. Google it.

    Star of the show is Kitt's Peak just 42 miles southwest of Tucson. It's the largest, most diverse gathering of astronomical instruments in the world and the only advanced astronomy site on this continent, with three major optical telescopes plus 19 other major instruments. Visitor center, tours, transportation all explained at the website.

    What's up there? About two billion dollars of technology and fifteen or twenty of the best living astronomers, that's what. Including the Large Binocular Telescope with two, count 'em two, of the afor-mentioned 20-foot reflecting disks mounted in a dedicated six-story building.

    Inventory:
    KPNO Nicholas U. Mayall Telescope 4.0 m Ritchey-Chrétien reflector
    WIYN Telescope 3.5 m Ritchey-Chrétien reflector
    McMath-Pierce Solar Telescope Unobstructed solar reflector
    KPNO 2.1 m Telescope Fourth largest on the mountain
    Coudé Feed Tower Coudé spectrograph
    SOLIS/Kitt Peak Vacuum Telescope Solar telescope
    Razdow Telescope Weather monitoring for the solar telescopes
    WHAM Telescope Milky Way temperature and density mapping
    RCT Consortium Telescope Remotely controlled
    WIYN 0.9 m Telescope Galactic studies
    Calypso Observatory Only private telescope on the mountain
    CWRU Burrell Schmidt Galactic studies
    SARA Observatory Variable stars, undergraduate training
    ETC/RMT No longer operating
    Spacewatch 1.8 m Telescope 72 in mirror scavenged from the Mount Hopkins MMT
    Spacewatch 0.9 m Telescope Spacewatch
    Super-LOTIS Follow-on to the ETC/RMT
    HAT-1 Recently relocated to nearby Mount Hopkins
    Bok Telescope Versatile
    MDM Observatory1.3 mMcGraw-Hill Telescope Originally at Ann Arbor
    MDM Observatory2.4 m Hiltner Telescope Galactic surveys
    HF radio-telescope, built atop a tank turret
    ARO 12m Radio Telescope One of two telescopes operated by the Arizona Radio Observatory, part of Steward Observatory
    VLBA One of ten radio-telescopes forming the VLBA

  137. Two I liked by LarrySDonald · · Score: 1

    Nothing terribly much locally. Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center in Hutchinson was pretty cool last I saw it. Indianapolis Museum of Natural History was also pretty cool. They have a few here in Wichita, but unless it's just on the way anyhow I'm not so sure I'd bother.

  138. Ashfall by darisd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ashfall just underwent a massive expansion and is a completely amazing place to visit, if you are in the area of north-eastern Nebraska. Look it up if you are into mammoth-era fossil sites.

  139. National Cryptologic Museum outside the NSA by jddj · · Score: 1

    I loved the National Cryptologic Museum just outside Fort Meade in Maryland.

    The facility isn't flashy, but they have real Enigma machines, a cipher that may have been owned by Thomas Jefferson (they can trace it to near Jefferson during his lifetime - he described something similar in his writings), the US "Cryptographic Bombe" used to break Enigma 4-wheel machines after Bletchley Park initially cracked the code, Super Computers, government crypto gear, and displays on US missions involving cryptology.

    We were fortunate to get a very helpful dosant who was ex-NSA. Best way to see it

    If you're in DC, you'll see ads for the "Spy Museum", which is interesting, but half fluff. The National Cryptologic Museum is the real thing.

    1. Re:National Cryptologic Museum outside the NSA by belmolis · · Score: 1

      The downside is, after you visit, they have to kill you.

    2. Re:National Cryptologic Museum outside the NSA by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      I want to second this recommendation. And I'm glad someone beat me to it. It's such a quirky little museum. NSA had to buy the building since it was a vantage point for some sensitive installations, so they put it to excellent use. I'm in the area, so I've been there half a dozen times.

  140. I'm a museum professional... by absurdist · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...and I've been building exhibits for science museums for the past 25 years. In my experience, the following are the best in the U.S.:

    Liberty Science Center, Newark, NJ
    Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, Chicago, IL
    Indianapolis Children's Museum, Indianapolis, IN
    Science Center of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN (don't miss the Museum of Questionable Medical Devices!)
    St. Louis Science Center, St. Louis, MO
    OMSI, Portland, OR
    Reuben H. Fleet Center, San Diego, CA
    California ScienCenter, Los Angeles, CA

    And when you're in L.A., don't miss the Museum Of Jurassic Technology. Absolutely fascinating.

  141. NC Museum of Natural Sciences by KingVidalia · · Score: 1

    Raleigh's NC Museum of Natural Sciences has the most complete (by far) Acrocanthosaurus skeleton on display. The quality of exhibits, in my opinion, rivals that of many I've seen. It's worth a visit to their website: http://naturalsciences.org/exhibits

  142. Re:This is the coolest museum on the freakin plane by cellurl · · Score: 1

    38.638864,-90.18779

  143. Out there by westlake · · Score: 1

    Allow me to suggest spending more time outside the museum.

    John White's fine essay The Power of Live Steam is the perfect introduction to our most authentic steam railroads.

    No static exhibition is going to have quite the same impact as walking the yards of the East Broad Top.

    The simplest of things can teach you so much: Walking the Brooklyn Bridge, The High Line

  144. NSA, DOE, etc by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    I'd recommend:
    * National Cryptograpy Museum, Ft. Meade MD
    * Atomic Testing Museum, Las Vegas, NV
    * Trinity test site (only open to the public like 2x a year, google it)

    IIRC there's also interesting NASA-related stuff in FL and Huntsville, AL... Not sure how much "modern ruins" gear is still left lying around near Cape Kennedy though..

  145. Pioneer Village in Minden, Nebraska by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the outside, it looks like a "tourist trap", but once you walk in, it's completely mind-boggling. Worth going to if you are anywhere within 500 miles of it.

    Website at: http://www.pioneervillage.org/

    From the website:

    The largest private collection of Americana anywhere.

    The Pioneer Village complex comprises 28 buildings on 20 acres housing over 50,000 irreplaceable items of historical value, restored to operating order, arranged in groups and also in the chronological order of their development.

    There are 12 historic buildings around the circular "green". There's a Frontier Fort, a real honest-to-goodness Pony Express Station, an Iron Horse, and a home made of sod. There's a general store and a toy store, chock full of all the goods from yesteryear. An original art collection including 25 Currier and Ives prints, 23 Jackson paintings, and the largest single collection of Rogers statues.

    You can ride a priceless steam carousel, see 17 historic flying machines and marvel at 100 antique tractors. See the world's oldest Buick, a 1902 Cadillac and a 1903 Ford, both designed by Henry Ford, plus 350 other antique cars, all displayed in their order of development.

    I went there in 2007, it was really worth the side trip down from I-80.

  146. U.S. Air Force Museum by Midnight+Warrior · · Score: 1

    There is a museum in Dayton, OH which is just about Dayton's only attraction. This is the National Museum of the United States Air Force. Some of their exhibits include:

    • Rockets from satellites with cameras that used to drop their film back to Earth once fully exposed.
    • The new (and now discontinued) F-22 Raptor
    • A full-size B-2 bomber (engineering model with no engines, but everything else)
    • Many planes formerly known as "Air Force One"
    • Lots of experimental aircraft, including those from the famous Skunkworks project
    • Frames from real atomic bombs

    Admittedly, this may not be as electronics or computer nerd like we all assume you are, but if you are into any level of mechanical engineering or have been a pilot at any level, then you will surely appreciate this place, even if you only visit it once in your lifetime.

    There are no parking or admission fees and they're open just about every day of the year, except for three major holidays.

  147. Dinosaurs! by gemada · · Score: 1

    Visit the Royal Tyrell Museum http://www.tyrrellmuseum.com/ in Drumheller, Alberta. Right in the badlands so you can visualize the dinos roaming around outside.

    1. Re:Dinosaurs! by KnightElite · · Score: 1

      This is definitely an excellent museum, and I recommend visiting if you're going across Western Canada in your trip.

  148. alphabet museum by belmolis · · Score: 1

    It's rather specialized and so may or may not be of interest, but an unusual and little known museum is the JAARS Museum of the Alphabet near Waxhaw, North Carolina. It's about the history of writing systems and how writing systems are developed for languages without them. Its associated with Bible translators, but non-Christians (such as myself) need not be concerned: it has no Creationist axe to grind or anything like that. (JAARS originally stood for "Jungle Aviation and Radio Service". It is the technical support organization for Wycliffe Bible Translators. Think of them as the Indian Jones types of the missionary world.)

  149. Chicago by nmos · · Score: 1

    If you're going to be in the Chicago area you'll have the Museum of Science and Industry, Natural History Museum, and Adler Planetarium all within an easy walk of each other. If you like pan pizza check out Gino's East. One day may not be enough though.

  150. More things to see by jhines · · Score: 1

    In Chicago there is also the Shedd aquarium, and the Adler Planetarium, Lincoln park and Brookfield zoos.

    Can fill up a week no problem.

  151. Air & Space Museum is great by Rufosx · · Score: 1

    One of the best museums I've been to. The SR-71 is unbelievable.

    1. Re:Air & Space Museum is great by lastchance_000 · · Score: 1

      It was even better when I saw it up close on the flightline, fuel dripping out of it, getting ready for a mission. The price of that exhibit was kind of high, however.

  152. Visual travel directory to find museums by Coastal_Ron · · Score: 1

    Don't know how far you plan on driving, but our new website called Where's URL (www.wheresurl.com) is a visual travel directory. Type in a city, set the category filter to one of the museum types (science, aerospace, art, etc.), then zoom or drag the map around to see what's nearby. Each place shown gives you a direct link to their website - no spam or ads. Over 2,000 museums, plus 21,000 hotels for when you get sleepy... ;-)

  153. Boston has it all by Fr05t · · Score: 1

    Fine Arts
    Science
    Aquarium
    Natural History
    USS Constitution

    Plus MIT, Harvard, and a great live music scene. I visited for a week about a year and a half ago, and had a blast. Planning a 2 week trip in 2010.

  154. Burgess Shale by belmolis · · Score: 1

    A visit to the Burgess Shale might be of interest This is the location of one of the major deposits of fossils from the Cambrian Explosion, the subject of Steven J. Gould's book Wonderful Life and Simon Conway Morris' Crucible of Creation. Tours are are run both by Parks Canada (for those without prior knowledge and the Burgess Shale Geoscience Foundation (for more knowledgable visitors). Note that the tours involve some real hiking, so you must be physically fit.

    This year is the centennial of discovery of the deposit so there are all sorts of special activities going on. The point of departure is the town of Field, British Columbia, near the Alberta border.

  155. Austin, MN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spam http://www.spam.com/games/Museum/default.aspx

    We came across it by accident, and having seen it would have planned to had we known.

  156. If In Oregon by VoxMagis · · Score: 1

    OMSI is excellent, but I really have to recommend The Evergreen Air And Space Museum. The Spruce Goose itself is worth seeing, but the incredible collection sitting literally under it's wings is what makes it fun.

    My wife and I got to the DC area and took in the Smithsonian last year, including Udvar-Hazy - It was incredible, but really didn't compare in many ways to Evergreen.

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  157. IEEE Spectrum has your answer by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 1

    Over the past few years, IEEE Spectrum magazine has been running a series of reviews of "Sci/Tech Museums". You'll find most of the reviews simply by searching there:

    http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/search?media=all&q=museums&x=0&y=0

    You'll get a good dozen or so reviews right there, and done by sharp, observant technology professionals.

  158. Ground Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ground Control in Portland, OR has a fantastic number of old arcade / pinball games, if that's your thing. Not a museum, but given the subject matter I think it's more fun just being a well-stocked arcade...

  159. In Toronto, Canada it's... by 1800maxim · · Score: 1

    The Ontario Science Centre - great place.

    ROM - Royal Ontario Museum

  160. Milwaukee has some stuff if you hit the Midwest by ajlisows · · Score: 1

    As far as a Science and Technology type Museum trip, you don't want to make Milwaukee you primary destination, but if you are hitting some of the Michigan sites that have been mentioned and of course, the Chicago Museums it may be worth your time to take a little jaunt up to Milwaukee. The Milwaukee Public Museum has been hurting for cash (I believe they basically laid off all the curators) but there have a decent "Earth" exhibit that includes some dinosaur stuff, plate tectonic stuff, and geology stuff. They also have a somewhat interesting rain forest exhibit and participate in a traveling exhibit (not sure what they have right now). I heard they also have some kind of planetarium thing going on right now but I do not know what that is about.

    Not to mention the Milwaukee County Zoo is really spectacular. I know I'm pushing the bounds of what you asked about but if that type of thing interests you also it really is a nice zoo to visit. I don't know if it really gets the credit nationally that it deserves.

    Mind you I don't want to oversell these attractions in Milwaukee. If you made a special trip for them you probably would want to find me and kick me in the face....but being two hours from Chicago might make it easy enough to be worth your while, should you choose to go in that direction.

  161. Canadian Museum of Civilization by swordgeek · · Score: 1

    ...in Gatineau is definitely worth your time. It's also within walking distance (across the river into Ottawa) from the Canadian National Gallery and the War Museum, both excellent. There's also the Aviation museum there, which has the nose cone of a CF-105 (Avro Arrow).

    In Alberta, there's the Royal Tyrrell Museum, one of the finest dinosaur museums on the planet - and in the midst of some stunning landscape as well!

    I rather like Boeing Field in Seattle when I was there, and the endless museums in San Diego's Balboa Park are good for a completely full week if you're so inclined. (The Air&Space museum and Car museum stuck out quite a bit in my memory.)

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    1. Re:Canadian Museum of Civilization by pdboddy · · Score: 1

      Ottawa's a decent place for geeks. :)

      There's also the Canadian Museum of Nature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Museum_of_Nature

      The National Science and Technology Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Science_and_Technology_Museum

      Canadian Agriculture Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Agriculture_Museum

      I also suggest a tour of Parliament Hill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_Hill

      There's also the Diefenbunker, a Cold War nuclear fallout shelter in nearby Carp:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFS_Carp

      Wikipedia links for the Museums in the parent post of this one.

      Canadian War Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_War_Museum

      Canadian Aviation Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Aviation_Museum

      Canadian Museum of Civilization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Museum_of_Civilization

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  162. Harvard Museum of Natural History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Harvard Museum of Natural History (Cambridge MA) is old school, but has a fabulous collection of animals, with a remarkable collection of antique glass models of flora and fauna.

  163. Kansas City area... by brigc · · Score: 1

    Gotta mention my former employer, Linda Hall Library in Kansas City, MO.

    It's a privately-funded library open to the public and focusing on science, engineering and technology.

    The rare books collection is spectacular... if you can go in during the week, and give them a day or two notice, the folks in the rare books area will be happy to show you some of the neat stuff in the collection.

    The library underwent a major renovation/building project a couple years ago.

    In addition to the library, the grounds are maintained as a very nice urban arboretum. ...brig

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  164. London by Jerrry · · Score: 1

    London--the Natural History Museum is right next door to the Science Museum and both are world-class, if not the best in the world.

  165. Henry Doorly Zoo (Omaha) by edcheevy · · Score: 1

    Okay, not a museum... but as far as zoos go, it's pretty interactive. Make sure you walk through the indoor rainforest. AFAIK you might otherwise hit an open stretch of no museums while you cross the midwest, so it's a valid excuse to drop in!

  166. I second the Exploratorium and Multi-museum pass by carter · · Score: 1

    I volunteer at the Exploratorium, and it's great. I think it must be one of the top, if not *the* top, hands-on museums in the world. Also, the other poster's advice about the pass good at multiple museums is a good one. My fine arts one is called a "reciprocal pass". Some participating museums give you free admission, and sometimes it's discounted. A great value for your scenario.

  167. Royal Tyrell Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Royal Tyrell Museum in Drumheller Alberta, a day trip NE from Calgary. Great for all things dinosaurs.

  168. Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drumheller (East of Calgary) - The Royal Tyrell Museum - Top notch museum involving dinosaurs, surrounded by badlands where new fossils of antediluvian beasties pop from the hills around after every major rain storm. Completely absorbing for adults and kids. Plan a minimum of a full day. I would spend a week if I could.

    And for interesting heresy, you could visit the Creationist Museum in Big Valley, just a short drive north. Did you know that when Noah loaded them elephants, camels and hippos onto the ark, he had to squeeze in the dinosaurs too? I approached it as a polite skeptic. I found it far more interesting and fun than I expected. While the museum didn't convince me of the reliability of their science, they did raise apparently reasonable challenges to current theories. You can't always dismiss the heretics who challenge current thinking. Remember Galileo and Copernicus.

    Vancouver's Aquarium is well done. Lots to see and do, with an emphasis on the Pacific Ocean.

    Off topic: L'Anse Aux Meadows (Northern tip of Newfoundland) - Forget 1492. The earliest known Europeans to discover North America were the Vikings, who established a settlement in 1000 AD. Great reconstruction, and you can walk on the walls built a thousand years ago. Downside: this is a remote destination. But Newfoundland is definitely worth exploring.

  169. Science World by ephraimX · · Score: 1

    Science World, in Vancouver, BC, is awesome. There are lots of things to play with -- many are kinda "aimed" at kids, but I still love it every time I go there.

  170. National Museum of the USAF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recommend the National Museum of the USAF in Dayton, Ohio it is amazing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_the_United_States_Air_Force

  171. Winchester House, Monterrey Aquirium,Hearst Castle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not really museums per se, but incredibly interesting locations to visit. All in No California, all with fairly cheap prices.

    http://www.winchestermysteryhouse.com/
    http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/
    http://www.hearstcastle.org/

  172. Clearly an educational trip is a good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you meant "... my husband and I..."

  173. Beard of bees by frenchbedroom · · Score: 1

    Never been to the US, but I hear there's a man with a beard of bees on the road from Las Vegas to New York.

  174. My personal list by steveha · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry; I had typed in a long list of places with explanations, and then something happened, the UPS beeped, and the computer shut down. Just as I was about to post it. Heck darn. I had hit "preview" several times, so there's a copy in Slashdot's database until it expires, but I don't think it's possible for me to recover it. (Slashdot editors, a feature suggestion: when we are editing an article, give us a unique URL; when Firefox comes back up, our article will be pulled back out of Slashdot's database instead of being orphaned.)

    All I can do for you right now is just type in the bare list. Google will find them and you can read about them.

    Columbus, Ohio: Center of Science and Industry (COSI)

    Monterey, California: Monterey Bay Aquarium

    Berkeley, California: Lawrence Hall of Science

    San Francisco, California: Exploratorium

    Portland, Oregon: Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI)

    Seattle, Washington: Pacific Science Center

    And in Canada:

    Vancouver, B.C.: Science World

    Victoria, B.C.: Royal BC Museum (awesome natural history museum) (and while you are there, Victoria Bug Zoo)

    Edmonton, Alberta: Telus World of Science (maybe not worth going all the way over there)

    Not exactly what you asked for:

    Eatonville, Washington: Northwest Trek (I really love this place)

    I love the idea of your trip, and I hope you have a great time!

    steveha

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  175. You See 'Ums by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    Four come to mind:

    1. The Tyrell Dinosaur museum near Drumheller Alberta. That's 3 hours gone. Nearby is Dinosaur Provincial Park. I had a school group there, and one of the kids actually found a significant bone sticking out of the cliff.

    2. If you are interested in early technology, Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump Interpretive center is worth your time. Technology of dealing with 2000 lb food when you don't have a horse.

    3. In Toronto the Royal Ontario Science Museum has lots of hands on stuff. Can spend days there.

    4. In central washington there is an interpretive center near dry falls where the channeled scablands were formed when glacial lake Missoula drained. At the center you overlook a shallow canyon -- about 1000 feet deep. On the horizon you see another rim -- 20 miles away. For two weeks water poured through this gap 700 feet deep, moving 70 miles an hour.

    The center is worth an hour or two, the walks another hour.

    This, along with continental drift, shattered the geological theory of uniformism.

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  176. In Canada: Tyrell and ROM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Royal Tyrell Museum in Drumheller, Alberta is awesome if you are interested in paleontology. If travelling by car from the U.S., a route that also stops at Dinosaur Provincial Park is worthwhile. For a more balanced style of natural history museum (everything from bats to dinosaurs to insects), check out the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto. There's also the Ontario Science Centre, which is very cool too, especially for kids and, shall we say, adults that still think like kids.

    Oh yeah. And if traveling to Alberta from the U.S., a stop in Bozeman, Montana yields both the Museum of the Rockies and the American Computer Museum.
     

  177. New York by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides New York Museum of Natural History there is really nothing interesting anywhere else in the states. Some of you may argue, but whatever, I guess it is all about what you prefer to see, but if you aren't prodding the isles or the mainland, the NY museum will be the closest you'll get to some real history by far.

  178. Tyrrel museum in Alberta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.tyrrellmuseum.com/ is specific to evolution and is set in one of the worlds premier fossil hunting regions. A strong recommend

  179. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably out of the way for you, but I'd recommend the dinosaur museum in Drumheller, Alberta (canada).

    I havent been there in quite some time, but its a great place - if you're into dinos --> http://www.dinosaurvalley.com/Visiting_Drumheller/index.php

  180. Visit OTTAWA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are tons of museums in Ottawa Canada, some are the best in north america.

    The war museum is great, there is a science and technology museum but it is "ok". Civilisation museum and natural history museum are awesome!

    At sci tech (i don't know if it still like that) they have the Apollo 8 command module, you can actually touch the first manned object that went around the moon, and look inside!

    Plus there is the national art gallery, the photography museum and a whole bunch of other ones that I keep forgetting.

    Check out http://www.ottawa.ca/visitors/index_en.html

  181. For cutting edge science by Z1NG · · Score: 1

    visit the creationism museum here in Kentucky. Who on /. wouldn't agree with that?

  182. Museum of Nature, Ottawa, Canada by HungSoLow · · Score: 2, Informative

    At one time the Museum of Nature (Ottawa, Canada) was the most surreal experience you could imagine. The building is literally a massive castle. Beautifully built with an atmosphere without comparison. They had the most fantastic paleontology section where you would start at the bottom of a ramp, very dark and foreboding and see fossils from a billion years ago. As you walk up the ramp you see newer and newer fossils - they did an excellent job showing transitional fossils. The ramp would wind around, showing the incredible assortment of life our planet has seen in the past. Finally, it would open up into a large chamber with dinosaur skeletons as far as the eye could see. You would begin with Triassic, Jurassic then Cretaceous. The chamber would then lead to the rise of mammals, ice age, etc... I swear the designer was a genius.

    After renovating (I kid you not) they've lumped everything together in a horrible assortment of ice age animals, dinosaurs, mammals, etc... in a set of adjoining open ceiling rooms. There's no atmosphere (everything is bright white with phosphorescent lighting) and the science is certainly gone. I've tried to look into what idiot designed the new layout and I was certain I would find some slack-jawed creationist being responsible but no luck.

    Anyway, this is just me venting and telling people not to waste their time on this travesty. However, the three museums of war, aviation and civilization in the Ottawa area are fantastic!

  183. Giraffes by shallow+monkey · · Score: 1

    The Cheyenne Mountain zoo in Colorado Springs has the best giraffe exhibit I've seen. You are face to face with the long necked giants and are allowed and encouraged to feed them. A deep purple prehensile tongue grabs the snacks from your hands--grossing you out and inspiring entries like this all at the same time.

    http://www.cmzoo.org/

  184. Baltimore Museum of Industry by Scamp588 · · Score: 1

    Try the Baltimore Museum of Industry. They do a good job of highlighting the industrial era of the 40's, 50's and 60's. The size makes it doable in a few hours. The Domino Sugar Plant makes for a nice background and they have what has to be Steampunk sculpture out front.

  185. Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There were some good ideas in this article...

    http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/07/100-geeky-places-to-bring-your-kids-this-summer/

  186. Ontario Science Centre +n by sveiki_neliels · · Score: 1

    I've been to a handful of science museums both here in North America and in Europe. I've rarely been as impressed as I have with my home Toronto's own Ontario Science Centre. Forget what people say about it being great mostly for kids. It's great for everyone, not everything is targeted at the younger ones. There's a significant amount of hands-on exhibits, active and animated ones, in quite a variety. I highly recommend it.

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  187. alberta canada by drknowster · · Score: 1

    http://www.customwoolenmills.com/ and http://www.tyrrellmuseum.com/ in aberta canada for industrial age machinery in a working situation and a look into earths past

  188. Skip the Science Museum of Virginia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ahh, the Science Museum of Virginia in Richmond... it was the saddest museum I have ever seen. Many basic exhibits were broken or otherwise non-functional. The rest were pretty dull and dated. The only plus? My sister-in-law was tinkering with an interactive exhibit on electricity, and the device made a VERY loud popping noise and shocked her through the handle on the display. She was fine, but it scared the bejezus out of her.

  189. New Connecticut Science Center.... by xgr3gx · · Score: 1

    Is really cool. It just had it's pre-opening, so not all the displays are in yet. The official opening is in Sept/Oct of 2009.
    Everything is interactive, very cool.
    http://www.ctsciencecenter.org/
    Downtown Hartford, CT

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  190. If you make it to Nebraska by Crazy+Brian · · Score: 1

    While I very much enjoyed the MIT museum http://web.mit.edu/museum/ while hunnymooning in Boston, we live in Nebraska, and I can recommend a few places here... Pioneer Village in Minden http://www.pioneervillage.org/ Stuhr Museum in Grand Island http://www.stuhrmuseum.org/ Of course there is the S.A.C. museum near Omaha http://www.strategicairandspace.com/ Elephant hall in Lincoln http://www-museum.unl.edu/ And the Omaha Zoo http://www.omahazoo.com/ There is also a local history Museum in Gohner, http://www.sewardcountymuseum.org/home.html which has a miniture live steam train that you can ride on weekends http://www.the-chippewa.org/index_content.html

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    1. Re:If you make it to Nebraska by Crazy+Brian · · Score: 1

      I can't believe I left out the National Roller Skating Museum in Lincoln www.rollerskatingmuseum.com

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  191. Cave by RJFerret · · Score: 1

    If anywhere near Kentucky, then Mammoth Caverns, otherwise whichever cave you pass along the way. You'll learn about geology, karst, minerals, environment (water cycle), natural history, unusual wildlife, natural formations, local lore, climate (cave temps average of region), etc.

  192. Chicago, Chicago, Chicago by exor · · Score: 1

    Chicago, Chicago, Chicago

    Peggy Notebaert Nature Museum

    Adler Planetarium Museum

    The Field Museum

    Museum of Science & Industry (The one I like the best, Subs, Space, Planes, a coal mine, etc)

    Chicago Children's Museum

    National Museum of Mexican Art

    Chicago History Museum

    Chicago Art Museum

    Zoo's

    Etc, Etc, Etc

  193. San Francisco - Exploratorium by michaelredux · · Score: 1

    If you're anywhere near San Francisco, the Exploratorium is a must-see, fun and amazing "hands-on" experience.

    A little further south, the spectacular Monterery Bay Aquarium is one of the best in the world.

  194. Egyptian museum by berbo · · Score: 1
    in San Jose: http://www.egyptianmuseum.org/

    Yes, it its run by the Rosicrucians, but don't let that scare you off - the artifacts are real! Very cool if you like history.

  195. Wright Patterson by WRX+SKy · · Score: 1

    Wright Patterson Air Force Base (outside Dayton Ohio) has an amazing museum of all things flight related. http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/visit/

  196. US Space and Rocket Center by wooferhound · · Score: 1

    The Space & Rocket center in Huntsville is billed as "Earths Largest Space Museum"
    There is even a full sized shuttle on display in it's Launch Ready configuration.

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  197. Holography museum in chicago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... one of the few subject areas that you can't explore better via your computer at home!

  198. Berlin Botanics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know it is not in the US but I feel it appropriate to mention this here as there are also european slashdot readers.
    The Berlin Botanical Gardens have a museum. It is the best science museum I have ever visited. Most of the expositions were set up in the 60s and the ones added later were kept in the same style. There are 3D plastic models the size of a football to illustrate the process of endocytosis and other cellular processes as they did not have 3D animation technology at the time! All aspects of Botany are covered, from Mans use and culture of plants to plant molecular biology passing through fossilization and evolution of plants. Maize/Wheat/Potatoes and many other plants that have greatly influenced our history each have their own exposition and even some fungi are covered as well! The garden itself is gigantic and each part of the garden has its own feel to it, they reconstructed indigenous fauna from all the continents so you would believe you were in China or in Canada even though you are in Germany. They have moss and lichen gardens, a swamp, a stunning rose garden an orchard and many other beautiful things.
    The only downfall is that everything is in German...

    Hope I made you want to go!

  199. The most interesting museum in LA... by hijohng · · Score: 1

    ...is the Museum of Jurassic Technology. Here's their webpage: www.mjt.org. A visit costs a few dollars, takes maybe 2 hours, and is fascinating. You may also be served cookies and tea. Don't miss it.

  200. duetsches museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hands down, the best technology museum i've ever been to. maybe not for this trip, but make a point of going if you ever plan a trip to germany.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Museum

  201. VT / UT by Betabenj · · Score: 1

    Two great small natural museums - Fairbanks Science Museum in Saint Johnsbury, VT (http://www.fairbanksmuseum.org/) is a beautiful, old museum that's a polished old-style jewel. And the Monte L Bean museum in Provo, UT (http://mlbean.byu.edu/home/) is great as well. Neither of these take more than a couple of hours to enjoy and the exhibits are very well done.

  202. Montshire in VT by tedgyz · · Score: 1

    The Montshire museum in Vermont is a nice place. While it is geared towards children, I found it just as interesting. The planetary walk is long, but a nice view of VT forests and a better respect for just how far Pluto is from the Sun.

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  203. Chicago museum campus by Ruzty · · Score: 1

    There is the Museum of Science and Industry, the Field Museum of Natural History, the Adler Planetarium and the John G. Shedd Aquarium. The Lincoln Park Zoo is also nearby. They are all located on the lake front in Chicago. There is a free trolley from the commuter train stations (Union Station and Northwestern Station) which stops at the museum campus. You can also go to the Chicago Children's Museum at Navy Pier and see a movie on the iMax screen. It's 3 to 4 days worth of entertainment if you want to take it all in.

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  204. ASTC by j-beda · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Science-Technology_Centers

    Get a membership at one of the science centers that is part of ASTC (most of them in NA seem to be) and you can get free admission in essentially all of the other ASTC member institutions via their "passport program". The ASTC also lists their members:

    http://www.astc.org/members/passlist_about.htm

    1. Re:ASTC by sbjornda · · Score: 1

      Get a membership at one of the science centers that is part of ASTC (most of them in NA seem to be) and you can get free admission in essentially all of the other ASTC member institutions via their "passport program". The ASTC also lists their members....

      I second that.

      And if you happen to find yourself in Regina, Saskatchewan, there's an ASTC member here. Also, we have a small but very nice natural history museum with some excellent dioramas illustrating Saskatchewan's many ecological zones (it's not all just flat prairie, though that might be the impression you get if you don't stray far from Highway #1).

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  205. ASTC - Association of Science-Technology Centers by j-beda · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Science-Technology_Centers

    Get a membership at one of the science centers that is part of ASTC (most of them in NA seem to be) and you can get free admission in essentially all of the other ASTC member institutions via their "passport program". The ASTC also lists their members:

    http://www.astc.org/members/passlist_about.htm

  206. The Science Museum of Minnesota is in St. Paul by cwgmpls · · Score: 1

    Not Minneapolis.

  207. IN NYC/New England by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NYC Natural History, Peabody in New Haven CT for old bones

    NYC Metropolitan has a great armory. Worchester MA has a great armory too.

    Science Center in Hartford is brand new and nice, if a bit small. Boston Science is good.

  208. Near Omaha Nebraska? by imagmast · · Score: 1

    The Strategic Air & Space Museum (http://www.strategicairandspace.com/) is for you if like Strategic Air Command (SAC) aircraft. From a restored B29 to B36 to a B47 to a B52 To a B57. Even a SR71 is there. For those of you who are into "big bangs," there is even a mock-up of an "H-bomb." Really cool!

  209. Toronto Science Centre VS ROM by phorm · · Score: 1

    I was last at the Toronto Science Centre about 6 months ago (I lived in TO at the time), and it was actually pretty dull. Perhaps I just went at a bad time, but there wasn't really all that much there that was extremely interesting for either myself or the kiddies. This is the one on Don Mills Road (I think Don Mills + Eglinton)? Again, I have heard others that said it was interesting, but those that went with me found it rather dull so it really might have been just a bad time.

    On the other hand though, the ROM (Royal Ontario Museum: downtown on Bloor St) on the other hand, was awesome. The dinosaur and nature exhibits are great, and a lot of the natural history sections or other sections were quite interesting as well. If you're in Toronto I highly recommend visiting it.

    If you have some extra time, you could also visit "Casa Loma", which is a castle mansion in Toronto a short drive from the ROM (or up the subway and a bit of a walk). The grounds are beautiful in the summer, and it's got some pretty neat stuff inside including a underground passage to the carriage house area (where you can take a hand at archery if you care to pay for a few tries or lessons), a neat underground pool-area, some "secret passages" and other cool quirks.

    In terms of aviation the only place I've been was the air-museum (I forget the actual name) in Seattle, which I would also recommend to anyone visiting that city. The Zoo in Seattle was equally worth visiting on a good-weather day, just make sure you have to time to get around everywhere so you're not rushed.

  210. Royal Tyrrell Museum in Drumheller, Alberta,Canada by nodrogluap · · Score: 1

    Hands down the best paleontology museum. I've been 5 times, and am still fascinated. And after the museum, you can explore the Canadian Badlands where many of the fossils were uncovered.

    http://www.tyrrellmuseum.com/exhibits.htm

  211. Canada, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I grew up in Ottawa and the national museums are a treasure. Plus, you get to visit your neighbour's capital and take in all the culture that comes from that, and from bordering on Quebec.

    The city itself is also beautiful, and being the capital, there's money for more amenities than you might expect from a city of fewer than a million people.

    Canada Science and Technology Museum, Canadian Museum of Nature, Canadian Museum of Civilization, Canadian War Museum.

  212. Washington, DC by Leithauser · · Score: 1

    The gold standard for the country would probably be the Smithsonian group in the National Mall. You have the National Museum of Natural History and the National Air and Space Museum. A few blocks north is the Marian Koshland Museum. There is the National Zoological Park for a nice biology lesson. An hour drive away in Chantilly, VA you have a REALLY big air and space museum that is a branch of the National Air and Space Museum, only about 4 times as big, called the National Air and Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center.

  213. Cryptologic Museum, Spy Museum, Newseum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A child interested in mystery and a little history would enjoy The Spy Museum in Washington, DC.

    While there, check out the new "Newseum". If it's half as interactive as the old one, kids will love it.

    A little less hands-on for kids, but still fascinating, is the National Cryptologic Museum at Fort Meade, MD.

  214. Fort Walton Beach and Battleship Cove by BranMan · · Score: 1

    While at Fort Walton Beach, Fl, years ago for work we visited a small aircraft museum there. Can't recall the name, but it should be locatable as a local attraction. They had at least a couple of dozen really cool old aircraft, including MiG jets and one of the 3 SR-71s in museums at the time (there may be more now). You could really get up close to most of them too.

    Battleship Cove in Fall River, MA, is also really great. Had a lot of fun roaming around the battleship Massachusetts - marveling at how big, and small, it was. Still has some scars of battle damage too - a great legacy of another age.

  215. Chicago's a good place for museums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aside from the Field Museum and Museum of Science and Industry (both very good; the MSI has cross-sectioned human cadavers in a few of the stairwells), Chicago is also home to the Shedd Aquarium, Adler Planetarium (I haven't been, but I hear it's pretty good for a planetarium), the International Museum of Surgical Science, architectural tours with engineering bents, the Museum of Holography, the Chicago Botanic Garden, the Oriental Institute (at least in part the inspiration for Indiana Jones), and the site of the first artificially-generated fission chain reaction (at the U. of Chicago). There's also the Lincoln Park Zoo, which doesn't compete with San Diego for size/renown, BUT, it's well-maintained and free, which means you don't have to walk through a turnstile and feel like you're being annexed to the critter collection. There are a number of nearby science/museum attractions, such as the Morton Arboretum, Fermilab and Argonne National labs (which sometimes have public open houses), and the Yerkes observatory in Lake Geneva. This isn't an exhaustive list, but you get the idea. Have a great trip!

  216. Re:US Space and Rocket Center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They also have an erect full-scale model of the Saturn V, and an actual authentic Saturn V that has been divided into segments for better viewing of the innards.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_%26_Rocket_Center

  217. Makoshika prehistoric museum by thoi412 · · Score: 1

    If you find yourself in Eastern Montana, be sure to stop in Glendive. We have 3 museums with a population of around 5000 people. There is Makoshika State Park's museum which contains dinosaur, sea life, and mammoth fossils found in the area, there is the Gateway Museum of old west stuff and a suit of armor for some reason, and, best of all, Glendive has a creationist dinosaur museum. Just don't think too hard on how you go about considering yourself seriously when building a creationist dinosaur museum.

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  218. SMM & CalAcademy by cabbi · · Score: 1

    Science Museum of Minnesota is a remarkable place, esp if you want to learn about the earth's surface. They have teamed up with the National Center for Earth-surface Dynamics to create some pretty amazing exhibits, including the Big Back Yard (mini-golf that teaches you about rivers) and Science on a Sphere (just go see it to see what I mean). California Academy of Science in the Golden Gate Park of San Francisco has just reopened in a remarkable new building. Its a green design with an entire tropical ecosystem contained in a 3 story tall glass sphere.

  219. The Tyrell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are in Alberta the Tyrell museum is amazing. A lot of the charm of the older museums is that a lot of the exhibits are so old that they are as interesting historically as they are for themselves. Maybe I put that badly: it's like museum recursion - not only are the exhibits interesting but the museum which holds them should be in a museum too.
        On the other hand the Tyrell (actually the Royal Tyrell - Queen Elizabeth likes it too) is wonderful because it is all new - the dinosaur skeletons are all in poses reflecting modern theories, and the other exhibits follow this - the Cambrian room with the glass floor makes me want to build one in my house.
        For my money, the two best museums in North America are the Smithsonian Aerospace Museum and the Tyrell. The Aerospace is the only place I have ever been where I was so overwhelmed that I couldn't speak - my wife said "What's wrong - don't you like it?" and I was unable to reply. The Tyrell ... I would like to meet God walking around the Tyrell - "Hey God, evolution? That was pretty clever." "Thanks. Nice museum."

  220. Havard Glass Flowers Collection by Conficio · · Score: 1

    If you are heading to Boston/Cambridge, don't miss the Harvard Museum of Natural History and its excellent glass flower collection.

    http://www.hmnh.harvard.edu/on_exhibit/the_glass_flowers.html

     

    This unique collection of over 3,000 models was created by glass artisans Leopold Blaschka and his son, Rudolph. The commission began in 1886, continued for five decades, and the collection represents more than 830 plant species.

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  221. For some truly *unnatural* history... by smithmc · · Score: 1

    ...try the Liberace Museum in Vegas. You'll wish your brother George was there.

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  222. Upstate NY (Finger Lakes) by Knile · · Score: 1

    If you're in upstate New York, the Corning Museum of Glass has a nice history of glass, including modern technological applications. It is close to the Glenn Curtiss Museum which has early airplanes, bicycles, and motorcycles.

  223. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wind farms offer an outdoor science museum. Some of them have restricted access, but others you can stand beneath and watch them spin. In Illinois you can see them along I55 between miles 207 and 208, on the east side of the highway. Or Twin Grove has some on Illinois Route 9 (10 miles east of Bloomington). You can see satellite views of them by the intersection of N 2400 E Road and E 1300 N Road.

  224. Omaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Henry-Doorley Zoo. Surprisingly excellent zoo just off I-80 as you go through Omaha, IMHO on a par with zoos such as the San Diego Zoo and the St Louis Zoo, although smaller.

  225. If you are around Boling Green, Ky by metzjtm · · Score: 1