use dumpadm (S8 and higher) to point system core somewhere else - for most well-written apps you shouldn't need much swap at all.
Funny though - I've worked on SunOS and Linux since the early 90's - and comparing Linux/x86 to Solaris/sparc to me is often like comparing Harry Potter to Tolkein - at least it's a similar genre.. there's a reason why Solaris still holds more market share in the enterprise than AIX and HPUX combined
We do understand that paging is different than swapping, and that Solaris has changed the memory allocators and algorithms multiple times across releases right?
That said, you might want to look into a recent Solaris Internals book or course, and also look into the history of things like priority_paging and page coloring..
what a load of marketing BS.. didn't realize how much both Cisco and IBM have been struggling for new ideas. Sun's been doing this for over a year now with their blades and specialty blades.. they just don't invest the same $$ in advertising smoke and mirrors
While I don't hold an advanced degree in acoustics, I've typically found that sound tends to decrease with distance (separated by walls, floors, doors, etc) - so why not simply put it in the basement and do an IC based terminal server (no fan) and a CRT display.. used effectively you could put in a grid and have enough compute power for the whole family.. hmmm
um.. i think Sun focuses more of their energy on Solaris.. and if you look at most of the big improvements in Unix over the last 10-20 years you'll find a large number of them in the SunOS releases. Take a look at the roots of many the IP enhancements in the kernel in the last 2 revs or so.. I think you'll find lessons learned from Sun all over them (pre-emptive kernel, memory management, packaging techniques, etc.) As a company, they've been in the Unix business a little longer than RedHat, and linux compared to Solaris is a little more sloppy.
If you look at the design goals for JDS - you have to look at it more as a replacement for CDE in the enterprise space.. not just a dressed up SuSE distro.
You know, with a lot of cooks in the kitchen and everybody's opinion weighing in.. Chef Boyardee ravioli can outpace Wolfgang Puck in many people's minds.
In NYC the union uses a giant inflatable rat outside businesses that won't play with the unions and their corruption. I've always find it a nice marketing display for me to know the businesses to do business with:)
I believe this is mostly for alternate tunings and such.. would have been interesting to see what Michael Hedges would have said about it, if he was still alive. He did a lot of work with a manual version of something like this.
What I don't understand is why not simply put a frequency modulator between the pickup and the output? They're all electric guitars, and it seems a lot simpler than retensioning the strings over and over again. This could be acheivable as a postprocessing footswitch instead of a guitar mod.. must be a pain to keep the motors properly calibrated, unless you have a feedback loop into a modifiable self-tuner.
agreed. The market and what people code towards only changes based on what hardware most people have access to. That said, affordable solaris systems for joe average developer working from his basement are typically only found on ebay.. it'll be nice if Sun can get S10 x86 (or Sparc) bundled with lower cost PC sales - for now it seems pretty limited to their volume servers like the V20z which are still a little pricey and not effectively aimed at the home/small business market. The Sun blade workstations are pretty nice, but the market tends to frown on the price:clock-speed ratio - and component-wise they've tended to struggle and hang onto their flailing graphics cards for too long.
For the developer, I've found the typical move to Solaris goes something like.. "this isn't what i'm used to, so it's stupid".. to eventually (if they last).. "oh, that's why they're doing it this way - this makes more sense" - often the reverse of what happens as you dive deeper into Microsoft, OS X, or Linux.
IMO the packaging has always been much cleaner and simpler than anything else out there, and the newer ideas tried and tested with lessons learned from huge enterprise environments tend to eventually make their way into Solaris first. For example, take a look at pre-emptive kernels, kernel memory allocators, threading models, networking optimizations.. and the list goes on. "Quality" comes from experience, and that experience tends to shift from age to age.
sounds to me like a setup.. think about it, a primarily *nix based company working on porting MS apps leaks code and gives Microsoft the ability to now say - "that code over there in the OpenSource movement was based on our ideas here that were leaked back in.."
crafty indeed if true.. but more fascinating is the juxtaposition of the 2 software development models surrounding code review as is being bantered about in some of the interviews. You're facing off closed code review process to an open code review process - effectively a monarchy or closed republic to a relatively more complete democracy. Political indeed!
i like Vixie - but mostly from an engineering perspective.. the whole issue is way too political - picture a younger Richard Stallman fighting against a Gates-wanna-be and I think you get the rough picture on the battlelines.
If these are the choices, I don't think there is a good choice either way.. what you really need is a messiah to organize nanog, strip out the key underpaid engineers from Verisign Registry, and provide a valid and fair compensation model to maintain, grow, and implement the appropriate changes.
Agreed X11 is a necessary component, but the dependence on X11 is a problem (in the same way that the dependence on sendmail was/is a problem) - the APIs and libraries are hideous to deal with and carry *way* too much legacy from the 70s and 80s.
There's many parts of *nix that need to be rewritten in a fresh way, and I applaud XFree86 for their effort in bridging the gap and carrying the torch to the masses, but at some point we need to let go and latch onto something better. Windows *has* a market (imho) because of the history of X11.
And to simply nitpick on another issue - (and yes i know Wittgenstein's view that language is use) - but "linux" is just the kernel, potatohead dude, and X11 is not part of that kernel. OSS is much broader and bigger than a kernel and is the basis for a number of varied and disorganized distributions. It's been a great science project and learning tool for a while with some incredibly valuable tools - but let's grow up a little and look to harden more things around here, before we go spouting on about how wonderful X11 is. There's some real issues with X11 that we need to address with alternative base windowing systems. Great - we've got a start with the kernel - lets move on to the next set of components that need some rework.. how about programming languages (java is a great start, quick scripting tools in perl and python.. great!), filesystems (ok some decent work continuing here xfs from SGI looks good to help things along), windowing systems (well - we've got a lot of things sitting on top of X, but nothing really to redo it..) It's going to require dedicated jobs and money and hence there will be dedicated interests.. there's no 2 ways about it.
hehe.. news like this let's you see where many of the true loyalties lie.. let's just wait and see what Merrill will say about this - I always loved the non-objective objectivity that so many worthless opinion companies charge for.
per$onally i never under$tood why $$$ooo many people write "Multiple $clerio$" thi$ way.. i mean i like jerry'$ kid$ and the wonderful drive$ he doe$, but i never thought it wa$ $uch a monopoly to der$erve $uch "unfair treatment" to con$tantly be writen a$ M$..
that's precisely the problem.. only a few fonts.. for years Microsoft has been stripping down the Unicode set for many languages and effectively restricting what can be developed within their core O/S and "productivity" products.. Hence a fresh start with OpenSource allows *many* more developers and native speakers within a country develop their own fonts and contribute them back in to lower level applications.
I guess you never read "The Inklings".. they were essentially part of the same writing club including other notables like Dorothy Sayers and Charles Williams (master of Dante).. I believe GK Chesterton also had some influence here, and Owen Barfield had some good ideas that Lewis latched onto.
This is much more about the ideas that formed the foundations for later fantasy and science fiction.
Personally I'd like to see a good rendition of "Til we have faces"
it's the golden cow that EMC has been after - virtualization to the point where the server platform doesn't matter, only where the centralized storage sits.
It'll be interesting to see how they deliver on the SMP virtualazation and the driver issues. I can foresee problems on the HBA side (interrupt and performance issues with virtualization) - VMware hasn't had the greatest history with network adaptors, and EMC doesn't have a huge amount of experience here either.. now through on FC HBAs and gigE cards and couple this with the move to storage over IP initiatives and you could have a potential mess brewing.
the verdict is still out on how wise this was.. ballsy though.
that sucks! but otoh, I've also dealt with and seen some pretty sorry sales people from a lot of other companies (it's funny when you see proposals that look like they were done in crayon) - sounds like you got one of the sorry asses who didn't know a thing about sun technology trying to pitch you the crappiest of the worst products they did (probably since they were getting EOL'd and the sales guy was getting better bonuses if he could move it).. PC-Netlink, and the Sun NFS server was pure crap (they still don't get the advantage that NetApp has since they think they know NFS better.. only it's not about your knowledge of the protocol that makes a good server).. all this was left over residue crap from an incompetent direction in storage which is slowly (but surely) changing.
just a hint though - if you're going to do a $300K deal (especially these days) - develop the relationship with your local sun sales office first and do lip service to the sales guys - try and find the honest SEs, PEs, or SSEs (they're around) to bounce off from, then filter from there.
um.. it isn't - they also managed to pick up Ximian which means they've got Evolution and the Exchange connector - it's a question of what they do with it. IIRC, SuSE is still the most popular distro in Europe and is doing a lot of good for Gnome. The Novell name is a little washed up (conjures up the perception of the old Novell Server from the mid 90s and they're messy protocol stack), but still they're better off than Wang or Banyan/Vines.
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Somebody better check with Tove and find out where his daughters came from ..
In another study from the same group - Linus isn't Linus at all, but was actually stolen from Linus Pauling.
language is use
I never understood why the trains just don't run network signal through the electrical system
use dumpadm (S8 and higher) to point system core somewhere else - for most well-written apps you shouldn't need much swap at all.
.. there's a reason why Solaris still holds more market share in the enterprise than AIX and HPUX combined
Funny though - I've worked on SunOS and Linux since the early 90's - and comparing Linux/x86 to Solaris/sparc to me is often like comparing Harry Potter to Tolkein - at least it's a similar genre
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"the primary stupidity is that of arrogance"
We do understand that paging is different than swapping, and that Solaris has changed the memory allocators and algorithms multiple times across releases right?
..
That said, you might want to look into a recent Solaris Internals book or course, and also look into the history of things like priority_paging and page coloring
what a load of marketing BS .. didn't realize how much both Cisco and IBM have been struggling for new ideas. Sun's been doing this for over a year now with their blades and specialty blades .. they just don't invest the same $$ in advertising smoke and mirrors
While I don't hold an advanced degree in acoustics, I've typically found that sound tends to decrease with distance (separated by walls, floors, doors, etc) - so why not simply put it in the basement and do an IC based terminal server (no fan) and a CRT display .. used effectively you could put in a grid and have enough compute power for the whole family .. hmmm
um .. i think Sun focuses more of their energy on Solaris .. and if you look at most of the big improvements in Unix over the last 10-20 years you'll find a large number of them in the SunOS releases. Take a look at the roots of many the IP enhancements in the kernel in the last 2 revs or so .. I think you'll find lessons learned from Sun all over them (pre-emptive kernel, memory management, packaging techniques, etc.) As a company, they've been in the Unix business a little longer than RedHat, and linux compared to Solaris is a little more sloppy.
.. not just a dressed up SuSE distro.
.. Chef Boyardee ravioli can outpace Wolfgang Puck in many people's minds.
If you look at the design goals for JDS - you have to look at it more as a replacement for CDE in the enterprise space
You know, with a lot of cooks in the kitchen and everybody's opinion weighing in
Sounds similar to the unions here in NYC ..
:)
In NYC the union uses a giant inflatable rat outside businesses that won't play with the unions and their corruption. I've always find it a nice marketing display for me to know the businesses to do business with
Of course you could always layer the doom sysadmin control interface for the background .. works well until your processes start killing each other ..
It was for that other FreeBird (with apologies to Lynyrd Skynyrd and the late VanZant)
"If I leave here tomorrow,
will you still remember OE?"
[*groan*]
I believe this is mostly for alternate tunings and such .. would have been interesting to see what Michael Hedges would have said about it, if he was still alive. He did a lot of work with a manual version of something like this.
.. must be a pain to keep the motors properly calibrated, unless you have a feedback loop into a modifiable self-tuner.
What I don't understand is why not simply put a frequency modulator between the pickup and the output? They're all electric guitars, and it seems a lot simpler than retensioning the strings over and over again. This could be acheivable as a postprocessing footswitch instead of a guitar mod
agreed. The market and what people code towards only changes based on what hardware most people have access to. That said, affordable solaris systems for joe average developer working from his basement are typically only found on ebay .. it'll be nice if Sun can get S10 x86 (or Sparc) bundled with lower cost PC sales - for now it seems pretty limited to their volume servers like the V20z which are still a little pricey and not effectively aimed at the home/small business market. The Sun blade workstations are pretty nice, but the market tends to frown on the price:clock-speed ratio - and component-wise they've tended to struggle and hang onto their flailing graphics cards for too long.
.. "this isn't what i'm used to, so it's stupid" .. to eventually (if they last) .. "oh, that's why they're doing it this way - this makes more sense" - often the reverse of what happens as you dive deeper into Microsoft, OS X, or Linux.
.. and the list goes on. "Quality" comes from experience, and that experience tends to shift from age to age.
For the developer, I've found the typical move to Solaris goes something like
IMO the packaging has always been much cleaner and simpler than anything else out there, and the newer ideas tried and tested with lessons learned from huge enterprise environments tend to eventually make their way into Solaris first. For example, take a look at pre-emptive kernels, kernel memory allocators, threading models, networking optimizations
sounds to me like a setup .. think about it, a primarily *nix based company working on porting MS apps leaks code and gives Microsoft the ability to now say - "that code over there in the OpenSource movement was based on our ideas here that were leaked back in .."
.. but more fascinating is the juxtaposition of the 2 software development models surrounding code review as is being bantered about in some of the interviews. You're facing off closed code review process to an open code review process - effectively a monarchy or closed republic to a relatively more complete democracy. Political indeed!
crafty indeed if true
i like Vixie - but mostly from an engineering perspective .. the whole issue is way too political - picture a younger Richard Stallman fighting against a Gates-wanna-be and I think you get the rough picture on the battlelines.
.. what you really need is a messiah to organize nanog, strip out the key underpaid engineers from Verisign Registry, and provide a valid and fair compensation model to maintain, grow, and implement the appropriate changes.
If these are the choices, I don't think there is a good choice either way
Agreed X11 is a necessary component, but the dependence on X11 is a problem (in the same way that the dependence on sendmail was/is a problem) - the APIs and libraries are hideous to deal with and carry *way* too much legacy from the 70s and 80s.
.. how about programming languages (java is a great start, quick scripting tools in perl and python .. great!), filesystems (ok some decent work continuing here xfs from SGI looks good to help things along), windowing systems (well - we've got a lot of things sitting on top of X, but nothing really to redo it ..) It's going to require dedicated jobs and money and hence there will be dedicated interests .. there's no 2 ways about it.
There's many parts of *nix that need to be rewritten in a fresh way, and I applaud XFree86 for their effort in bridging the gap and carrying the torch to the masses, but at some point we need to let go and latch onto something better. Windows *has* a market (imho) because of the history of X11.
And to simply nitpick on another issue - (and yes i know Wittgenstein's view that language is use) - but "linux" is just the kernel, potatohead dude, and X11 is not part of that kernel. OSS is much broader and bigger than a kernel and is the basis for a number of varied and disorganized distributions. It's been a great science project and learning tool for a while with some incredibly valuable tools - but let's grow up a little and look to harden more things around here, before we go spouting on about how wonderful X11 is. There's some real issues with X11 that we need to address with alternative base windowing systems. Great - we've got a start with the kernel - lets move on to the next set of components that need some rework
hehe .. news like this let's you see where many of the true loyalties lie .. let's just wait and see what Merrill will say about this - I always loved the non-objective objectivity that so many worthless opinion companies charge for.
It's free and portable. You just can't do zooming racecar sounds.
well actually you can, people just look at you funny.
per$onally i never under$tood why $$$ooo many people write "Multiple $clerio$" thi$ way .. i mean i like jerry'$ kid$ and the wonderful drive$ he doe$, but i never thought it wa$ $uch a monopoly to der$erve $uch "unfair treatment" to con$tantly be writen a$ M$ ..
that's precisely the problem .. only a few fonts .. for years Microsoft has been stripping down the Unicode set for many languages and effectively restricting what can be developed within their core O/S and "productivity" products .. Hence a fresh start with OpenSource allows *many* more developers and native speakers within a country develop their own fonts and contribute them back in to lower level applications.
I guess you never read "The Inklings" .. they were essentially part of the same writing club including other notables like Dorothy Sayers and Charles Williams (master of Dante) .. I believe GK Chesterton also had some influence here, and Owen Barfield had some good ideas that Lewis latched onto.
This is much more about the ideas that formed the foundations for later fantasy and science fiction.
Personally I'd like to see a good rendition of "Til we have faces"
it's the golden cow that EMC has been after - virtualization to the point where the server platform doesn't matter, only where the centralized storage sits.
.. now through on FC HBAs and gigE cards and couple this with the move to storage over IP initiatives and you could have a potential mess brewing.
.. ballsy though.
It'll be interesting to see how they deliver on the SMP virtualazation and the driver issues. I can foresee problems on the HBA side (interrupt and performance issues with virtualization) - VMware hasn't had the greatest history with network adaptors, and EMC doesn't have a huge amount of experience here either
the verdict is still out on how wise this was
j/.e
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(i still think EMC is inherently evil)
that sucks! but otoh, I've also dealt with and seen some pretty sorry sales people from a lot of other companies (it's funny when you see proposals that look like they were done in crayon) - sounds like you got one of the sorry asses who didn't know a thing about sun technology trying to pitch you the crappiest of the worst products they did (probably since they were getting EOL'd and the sales guy was getting better bonuses if he could move it) .. PC-Netlink, and the Sun NFS server was pure crap (they still don't get the advantage that NetApp has since they think they know NFS better .. only it's not about your knowledge of the protocol that makes a good server) .. all this was left over residue crap from an incompetent direction in storage which is slowly (but surely) changing.
just a hint though - if you're going to do a $300K deal (especially these days) - develop the relationship with your local sun sales office first and do lip service to the sales guys - try and find the honest SEs, PEs, or SSEs (they're around) to bounce off from, then filter from there.
what? Microsoft has a QA department?
..
oh yeah - they charge money for developers to evaluate their beta releases and send them bug reports
it's good to be the king
$CO:
.. all your license are belong to us.
what happen?
M$:
somebody bombed up us the suck
um .. it isn't - they also managed to pick up Ximian which means they've got Evolution and the Exchange connector - it's a question of what they do with it. IIRC, SuSE is still the most popular distro in Europe and is doing a lot of good for Gnome. The Novell name is a little washed up (conjures up the perception of the old Novell Server from the mid 90s and they're messy protocol stack), but still they're better off than Wang or Banyan/Vines.