"we believe the issue of advertising causes enough mixed incentives that it is crucial to have a competitive search engine that is transparent and in the academic realm."
or are they proving that we're all so dope fogged that we only give money to that which is repetitively or pervasively advertised - hence feeding this business model as the only viable one for public services.
Wasn't this paper co-authored with Joe Darcy.. now the Java floating point czar working on Tiger (Java 1.5)?
Much shorter version of the paper is here, and a good java floating point paper is also over here
oh.. and if you think that nobody at sun will admit java's weaknesses.. you gotta stop talking to the sales and marketing drones, and spend some time in targeted discussions with the engineers..
think Van Gogh should have stipulated that all his unsold paintings be burnt after his death.
actually, if Van Gogh had considered this as an option, i think he might have wanted this.. especially considering his lifelong depression, rejection, and hallucinogenic influences - it does remind me of a lot of GPL code i've seen out there.. there's some beauty in there somewhere, but a lot of mess:)
You'd have to be a really stupid fucking schmuck to give anything to the world for free.
wow.. biting some of the hand that feeds you - sun has given *a lot* away for free, often without even looking for acknowledgement - but i guess that must be easy to forget (look at some of the more successful ideas in your kernel, and trace to see where those are coming from.. often it points back to sun)..
i for one appreciate the non-bandwagon approach that sun seems to be taking toward the GPL and the opensource debates.. but gaging from the comments, the majority here fails to see it that way.. sorry, but to me the GPL just isn't that holy.. the CDDL suffers in some ways, but I also understand the comfort level they're attempting to draw for many 3rd party vendors who have a problem contributing to the GPL.. and rather than taking a draconian point of view (submit or die), there's a fair amount of leadership being shown here in developing a more gentle negotiative point of view
It's almost a weekly occurence where I'm hearing about a couple of $400 Debian boxes replacing tens of thousands of dollars of old Sun hardware, not the other way around...
depends on what they're using them for.. sure the replacement of web boxen (ie netcraft comments) and simple front-end stuff that was deployed in the dot-com boom is typically happening on today's low-end hardware.. cluster (or grid if you want the inappropriate buzzword) this together, and apart from the mgmt nightmare you've just created, you've got a comparable amount of iops you can generate
however on the HPC side of the house, i think you'll still find Sun competing with IBM and a confused HP, with the occasional knock on the door from SGI or apple
personally i see sun as the foundation of a larger structure, and yes foundations do shift over time
Tech: Hello, help desk.. User: Hi, I'm having problems with my hard disk.. I'm about 5'4" with dark hair, brown eyes, and a petite slim build.. I like walks on the beach, romantic dinners, poetry, science fiction, and smart geeky guys.. Tech: hold on, I'll be right there..
I guess everyone is missing the fact that they already have bought a database: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/19 /sun_saves_ clustra_from_enemy/
replete with the postgres admirers 2+ years back: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hacker s/2002- 11/msg00893.php
----------- sorry - just seeing this thread now (submitted on friday, pending for 2 days and was rejected.. but glad the story finally made it:).. probably redundant info in here too
Planetside?.. wasn't that an Infocom game where you played a deckhand and were harrassed by an annoying robot named Floyd?.. no wait - Planetfall - i always get these things confused.
$260M in cash for their software business.. the hardware side was pretty much dead by that point anyhow.. wang's only major presence was in the public sector (gov't and such) and i believe sun had competing technology so that kind of buyout didn't make that much sense back then (imo)
on a side note.. i believe the origin of this idea in software is predated back to the 60's in LISP, so while IANAL i believe one could argue prior art and thus the invalidity of the wang software patent (s/w patents seem pointless to me anyhow - like recipe patents).. i believe there's a large number of s/w patents that have been and continue to be awarded in large part due to the lack of due diligence from patent attorneys, hence we may see a new glut of lawsuits from the failing institutions looking for a quick cash boost
look at how slow the kernel cycle is now that the dependence queue is increased.. driver maintainability is becoming increasingly unmanagable and with DRM threatening to shut out hardware sources, you're going to need somebody with better corporate connections and lawyers to raise clout and proxy/petition the hardware vendors.. sorry the revolution seems to be dying and nobody really won except maybe intel (for a bit)
community and social responsibility.. efficient wireless networks require interaction with your neighbors to ensure true security and reliability.. numerous times, when my connection goes down, i'll jump on my neighbors connection, and likewise.. sharing of information requires trust, and if you can't trust your neighbors - i feel sorry for you.
someone could just as easily sit outside your house and trip you every time you walk out to go to your car, or penny your front door.. judging from your sense of junior-high-school prank humor.. this is probably right up your alley
Novell is definitely not being ignored.. in fact there were rumors about sun buying them out (heck JDS is SuSE underneath.. not quite as bad as the old "Sun Linux" which was RH6.. and evolution is one of the star apps to help with office bolstering - the hydrogen connector to the Sun Calender server was done in conjunction w/ Ximian/Novell)
What sun is after is what they see as a gap in IBM and HP.. IBM is pretty much dropping AIX in favor of rolling more into linux, and HP doesn't seem to be doing much w/ HPUX.. so RH IBM merger(?) is the new rumor that sun is probably trying to nip in the bud.
If you compare innovation in AIX and the developers that are putting their effort into linux, and the innovation and developers that are putting their efforts into Solaris.. i think sun might have something there.
Overall, i think sun's got the right approach as they look at linux and the inherent disorganization inherent with the lack of a governing body - sorry we're still not quite polished enough for some environments - and the distributed control model begins to break down when it reaches a certain size.. if it matures - they were there all along, and if it doesn't - they've got solid tech in Solaris 10.. sun's been missing the boat for years, but they're still out trying to innovate.. just hope enough of those innovators are still with the company.
actually - i do have a pretty good idea.. i was involved on Univ of MD's 94 solar team as the power train lead. There are significant tradeoffs we saw other teams make that would greatly impair the saftey of the driver or cockpit. Now, I wouldn't make a blanket statement that "the design was bad", but i will say that the design may not have been as safe as it could have been. Agreed protecting the driver from a head-on is a difficult thing - but the fact that it lost control (most likely from a strong cross-wind) meant that the mechanical stability of the car didn't accurately account for the type of failure that the car or driver experienced. It's unclear if it was a steering linkage problem, or something went wrong with a strut.
I recall from our race that we reviewed a number of other cars from different universities and noted that a fair number of them would be fatal in different types of accidents (ie front axle failures could drive the steering column through the driver's seat, etc.) We took special care on our composite body to provide for a secure driver cockpit (carbon fibre was overlaid and reinforced with kevlar to prevent this area turning into a shard bath) and ran through all conceivable failure scenarios to ensure driver survivability as best we could. We even accidently rear-ended our car during the race due to superior braking power of the car (regenerative braking makes for a quick stop) and only ended up losing a few cells on the back end of the array. We were flexible enough with the bus power to be able to jumper them out in a matter of minutes and not affect charging that night.
From the picture of the solar car wreck - this car doesn't appear to have accurately considered driver safety well enough, and i believe that the race officials still don't consider this enough for disqualifications. Couple this with previous failures on the car, and this thing must have a wreck to drive. It's sad that it takes a disaster like this to wake people up.
i actually don't mind propaganda (it's fun to laugh at when you're smart enough to form your own opinions) which is what the NY Post provides - a lot of humor.. it's like reading a comic book - I especially liked the issue with the origin of Dick Gephardt
propagenda (to borrow from Brian Eno) is what you probably have to worry about more.. which leads me to.. why are we even talking about this?
Funniest moment at HOPE (roughly paraphrased) --------------------- Kevin: I became Jesus on the cross, so that all of you could continue to do what you do.. Comic Book Store guy behind me (sarcastically): thank you God! ---------------------- love him, hate him, or both.. did large corporations use him as their scapegoat whipping boy? absolutely. did the punishment fit the crime? absolutely not. is he still obsessed with manipulation to get anything he can from suckers? apparently so is he full of himself? oh my god yes!
well actually it could be argued that linux came from minix which came from SVR2..
Windows came from DOS and later seeded MS OS/2 which eventually forked to NT which forked to W2K which forked to Windows.NET which became XP and is now forking to Longhorn
OS X came from Mach 3, and OS X server came from Rhapsody which evolved out of OpenStep formerly known as NextStep which was forked out of Mach 2
SCO Unix goes back to Xenix which came out of the TSS V7 which came after the v6 split for BSD and PWB which inspires USG who forks CB Unix which eventually evolves into the System III, then IV then V which later turns into UnixWare and then SCO Unixware.. so I'm not sure which SCO Unix we're talking about here
Now on the surface are we saying that common ideas are developed and re-used across platforms and projects that share a common focus, market segment, or set of solutions? Great, but I think this isn't a very interesting discussion.. Sure there are elements below the surface that are "borrowed" across groups - for example, i see a lot of problems that were discovered and solved in Solaris make their way into linux, and the gui advances make their way across the desktops - but how is this any different than borrowing ideas or quoting someone else (often without giving them credit).. science (hence computer science - hence an operating system) is just a philosophy, but it's only an interesting discussion when there is something relevant and useful to say.
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Wasn't this paper co-authored with Joe Darcy .. now the Java floating point czar working on Tiger (Java 1.5)?
.. and if you think that nobody at sun will admit java's weaknesses .. you gotta stop talking to the sales and marketing drones, and spend some time in targeted discussions with the engineers ..
Much shorter version of the paper is here, and a good java floating point paper is also over here
oh
why not ..
everybody
else
is doing
it
actually, if Van Gogh had considered this as an option, i think he might have wanted this .. especially considering his lifelong depression, rejection, and hallucinogenic influences - it does remind me of a lot of GPL code i've seen out there .. there's some beauty in there somewhere, but a lot of mess :)
You'd have to be a really stupid fucking schmuck to give anything to the world for free.
wow .. biting some of the hand that feeds you - sun has given *a lot* away for free, often without even looking for acknowledgement - but i guess that must be easy to forget (look at some of the more successful ideas in your kernel, and trace to see where those are coming from .. often it points back to sun) ..
i for one appreciate the non-bandwagon approach that sun seems to be taking toward the GPL and the opensource debates .. but gaging from the comments, the majority here fails to see it that way .. sorry, but to me the GPL just isn't that holy .. the CDDL suffers in some ways, but I also understand the comfort level they're attempting to draw for many 3rd party vendors who have a problem contributing to the GPL .. and rather than taking a draconian point of view (submit or die), there's a fair amount of leadership being shown here in developing a more gentle negotiative point of view
depends on what they're using them for .. sure the replacement of web boxen (ie netcraft comments) and simple front-end stuff that was deployed in the dot-com boom is typically happening on today's low-end hardware .. cluster (or grid if you want the inappropriate buzzword) this together, and apart from the mgmt nightmare you've just created, you've got a comparable amount of iops you can generate
however on the HPC side of the house, i think you'll still find Sun competing with IBM and a confused HP, with the occasional knock on the door from SGI or apple
personally i see sun as the foundation of a larger structure, and yes foundations do shift over time
make sure you use this
software - sparc64 has done this for years
Tech: Hello, help desk .. .. I'm about 5'4" with dark hair, brown eyes, and a petite slim build .. I like walks on the beach, romantic dinners, poetry, science fiction, and smart geeky guys .. ..
User: Hi, I'm having problems with my hard disk
Tech: hold on, I'll be right there
I guess everyone is missing the fact that they already have bought a database:9 /sun_saves_ clustra_from_enemy/
r s/2002- 11/msg00893.php
.. but glad the story finally made it:) .. probably redundant info in here too
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/1
replete with the postgres admirers 2+ years back:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hacke
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sorry - just seeing this thread now (submitted on friday, pending for 2 days and was rejected
Planetside? .. wasn't that an Infocom game where you played a deckhand and were harrassed by an annoying robot named Floyd? .. no wait - Planetfall - i always get these things confused.
ZFS - slated for Update 1 - probably June timeframe
.. still got a little ways to go, but i like the direction, dtrace, zones, and SMF all seem like pretty interesting developments
S10
wow .. comparing the linux kernel to the mona lisa seems like comparing a field of engines to works of DaVinci ..
something doesn't quite translate here
$260M in cash for their software business .. the hardware side was pretty much dead by that point anyhow .. wang's only major presence was in the public sector (gov't and such) and i believe sun had competing technology so that kind of buyout didn't make that much sense back then (imo)
.. i believe the origin of this idea in software is predated back to the 60's in LISP, so while IANAL i believe one could argue prior art and thus the invalidity of the wang software patent (s/w patents seem pointless to me anyhow - like recipe patents) .. i believe there's a large number of s/w patents that have been and continue to be awarded in large part due to the lack of due diligence from patent attorneys, hence we may see a new glut of lawsuits from the failing institutions looking for a quick cash boost
on a side note
isn't the definition of FUD tied up in here somewhere .. why fear sun, if linux is superior in aspects of its implementation and market?
Granted both are good systems, but it's the "Sun's going to turn into SCO" fear that this is about I think.
i wouldn't worry about this .. computing is use
look at how slow the kernel cycle is now that the dependence queue is increased .. driver maintainability is becoming increasingly unmanagable and with DRM threatening to shut out hardware sources, you're going to need somebody with better corporate connections and lawyers to raise clout and proxy/petition the hardware vendors .. sorry the revolution seems to be dying and nobody really won except maybe intel (for a bit)
answer:
.. efficient wireless networks require interaction with your neighbors to ensure true security and reliability .. numerous times, when my connection goes down, i'll jump on my neighbors connection, and likewise .. sharing of information requires trust, and if you can't trust your neighbors - i feel sorry for you.
.. judging from your sense of junior-high-school prank humor .. this is probably right up your alley
community and social responsibility
someone could just as easily sit outside your house and trip you every time you walk out to go to your car, or penny your front door
Novell is definitely not being ignored .. in fact there were rumors about sun buying them out (heck JDS is SuSE underneath .. not quite as bad as the old "Sun Linux" which was RH6 .. and evolution is one of the star apps to help with office bolstering - the hydrogen connector to the Sun Calender server was done in conjunction w/ Ximian/Novell)
.. IBM is pretty much dropping AIX in favor of rolling more into linux, and HP doesn't seem to be doing much w/ HPUX .. so RH IBM merger(?) is the new rumor that sun is probably trying to nip in the bud.
.. i think sun might have something there.
.. if it matures - they were there all along, and if it doesn't - they've got solid tech in Solaris 10 .. sun's been missing the boat for years, but they're still out trying to innovate .. just hope enough of those innovators are still with the company.
What sun is after is what they see as a gap in IBM and HP
If you compare innovation in AIX and the developers that are putting their effort into linux, and the innovation and developers that are putting their efforts into Solaris
Overall, i think sun's got the right approach as they look at linux and the inherent disorganization inherent with the lack of a governing body - sorry we're still not quite polished enough for some environments - and the distributed control model begins to break down when it reaches a certain size
i mean it .. why not? they've got the reputation - and it might help to raise the intelligence level and education of many of the players ..
actually - i do have a pretty good idea .. i was involved on Univ of MD's 94 solar team as the power train lead. There are significant tradeoffs we saw other teams make that would greatly impair the saftey of the driver or cockpit. Now, I wouldn't make a blanket statement that "the design was bad", but i will say that the design may not have been as safe as it could have been. Agreed protecting the driver from a head-on is a difficult thing - but the fact that it lost control (most likely from a strong cross-wind) meant that the mechanical stability of the car didn't accurately account for the type of failure that the car or driver experienced. It's unclear if it was a steering linkage problem, or something went wrong with a strut.
I recall from our race that we reviewed a number of other cars from different universities and noted that a fair number of them would be fatal in different types of accidents (ie front axle failures could drive the steering column through the driver's seat, etc.) We took special care on our composite body to provide for a secure driver cockpit (carbon fibre was overlaid and reinforced with kevlar to prevent this area turning into a shard bath) and ran through all conceivable failure scenarios to ensure driver survivability as best we could. We even accidently rear-ended our car during the race due to superior braking power of the car (regenerative braking makes for a quick stop) and only ended up losing a few cells on the back end of the array. We were flexible enough with the bus power to be able to jumper them out in a matter of minutes and not affect charging that night.
From the picture of the solar car wreck - this car doesn't appear to have accurately considered driver safety well enough, and i believe that the race officials still don't consider this enough for disqualifications. Couple this with previous failures on the car, and this thing must have a wreck to drive. It's sad that it takes a disaster like this to wake people up.
seems to be pretty slow .. slashdotted? ;P
what's propoganda? Japanese based remote control?
.. it's like reading a comic book - I especially liked the issue with the origin of Dick Gephardt
.. which leads me to .. why are we even talking about this?
i actually don't mind propaganda (it's fun to laugh at when you're smart enough to form your own opinions) which is what the NY Post provides - a lot of humor
propagenda (to borrow from Brian Eno) is what you probably have to worry about more
Funniest moment at HOPE (roughly paraphrased) .. ..
---------------------
Kevin: I became Jesus on the cross, so that all of you could continue to do what you do
Comic Book Store guy behind me (sarcastically): thank you God!
----------------------
love him, hate him, or both
did large corporations use him as their scapegoat whipping boy? absolutely.
did the punishment fit the crime? absolutely not.
is he still obsessed with manipulation to get anything he can from suckers? apparently so
is he full of himself? oh my god yes!
Woz is much more likable
Take a look here I think you'll find that many things tend to be tuned more toward Solaris environments first.
Windows came from DOS and later seeded MS OS/2 which eventually forked to NT which forked to W2K which forked to Windows .NET which became XP and is now forking to Longhorn
OS X came from Mach 3, and OS X server came from Rhapsody which evolved out of OpenStep formerly known as NextStep which was forked out of Mach 2
SCO Unix goes back to Xenix which came out of the TSS V7 which came after the v6 split for BSD and PWB which inspires USG who forks CB Unix which eventually evolves into the System III, then IV then V which later turns into UnixWare and then SCO Unixware .. so I'm not sure which SCO Unix we're talking about here
you're probably better off studying Eric Levenz' Unix History and his Windows' History to understand connections on a lower layer.
Now on the surface are we saying that common ideas are developed and re-used across platforms and projects that share a common focus, market segment, or set of solutions? Great, but I think this isn't a very interesting discussion .. Sure there are elements below the surface that are "borrowed" across groups - for example, i see a lot of problems that were discovered and solved in Solaris make their way into linux, and the gui advances make their way across the desktops - but how is this any different than borrowing ideas or quoting someone else (often without giving them credit) .. science (hence computer science - hence an operating system) is just a philosophy, but it's only an interesting discussion when there is something relevant and useful to say.
ew .. bad visual .. cowboy neal wearing nothing but a sombrero ..