I wear glasses and concur that going to the pool is a worthless experience when you can't see anything. I can't see what I am doing, I can't recognize my friends and I see no one in their skimpy bathing suits. Bummer.
Of course on a SysV init system setting up the order which daemons are started and killed is trivial. On NT you have a blackbox kiosk type OS that expects to be able to do everything for you and becomes very confused when stuff doens't go according to plan.
I don't think that VMWare would run on a 386, it requires the RCTSD (sp?) instruction. I don't believe that was introuduced until the Pentium, or maybe the later 486 (DX-2/4 5x86). VMWare won't run on my Cyrix 6x86 P150+ because it lacks this instruction, one of the few pieces of software that I have had a problem with.
>much as how every article on/. has a comment >saying "Man, I'd like a Beowulf of these babies," >most of the people saying that never will have a >Beowulf or a need for a clustered system. (I >mean, come ON, what would you, personally, use >all that computing power for?)
PovRayQuake of course!
That is for the people who aren't simulating nuclear explosions of their neighbors dog.
The question of weather Linus will accept these kernel patches is a matter of what is being changed. If they are architecturally sound and take the kernel in a direction that Linus wants it to go they will be incorporated, if they are just some glue for proprietary stuff that TurboLinux sells then they don't have a chance in hell.
The other question is -- could they, or would they, fork the kernel if TurboLinux doesn't get their way. The other solution is to either make due without their enhancements or port their patches to each kernel version. The second option is not too far away from what other vendors do in backporting security updates to the old, shipping, version of thier kernel (COL w/2.2.10 has patches from 2.2.12/13 in a 2.2.10 update RPM). There are also other distros that add beta or unsupported patches, like devfs (Correct me if I am wrong on this point, I don't have this personally).
What does the GPL allow? They don't own Linux, no one does, what would they be able to accomplish (barring Linus from accepting their patches)without the support of the core developers.
I guess that I have more questions than answers, GPLd software hasn't been as popular as recently and some of these issues are being tested on a large scale, for the first time. Or maybe not, the GPL has been around for many years. Maybe this kind of thing has happened before and we can just look back and learn from experience. If anyone can point out an instance I would appreciate it greatly.
Oh, this is what I always hoped gene-splicing would come to. This is the pinnacle of genetic engineering technology. Christmas trees that Glow! When we could be curing cancer or fighting the common cold we are making ugly, gaudy, ultra-American glow-in-the-dark Christmas trees.
/Sarcasim Off
The sad part is that these will probably be popular. I suppose that they will help prevent candle-causing house fires, and save on electricity. But Geeze!
> worked fine except you must be root to mount floppies a . . .
Not true! You can mount your floppies through the Automounter Daemon, KDE sets up a link on the desktop for this. The upside is that they never have to mount/unmount drives, the downside is that floppies can be ejected before AMD can unmount them (5 sec default) possibly causing corruption.
Otherwise you could set up the floppy (and CDROM) to be user mountable. This is how I have my KDE desktop set. You just right click and mount/unmount, a little green light goes onto the icon to let you know if a FS is mounted. Upside: know what is mounted when, deters corruption, downside: must know about mounting/unmounting filesystems.
I actually just set this up for a cousin of mine. It seems to work great. I installed Caldera DR-DOS 7.03 and New Deal on an old 486-33/4MB RAM/40MB HDD. I fit the entire New Deal install, including office type apps, and about 20 DOS games in there, without using Stacker compression. Simple.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for this application, too many bells and whistles and an interface that might be too inflexible to lock down properly. In DOS everybody is Root.
I had forgotten about the WebTV. This would be an excellant solution. A cheap, blackbox machine that he won't be able to mess up, or have to fix. Also you won't have to configure it extensively before you turn it over to him. The downside is that AFAIK you have to use the WebTV ISP, and the browser that ships with it is not the best.
Otherwise I agree that Linux/X11 can be set up with the same capabilities, and more. You can run it on older hardware (What's a P200/64MB going for these days?) with great performance. The benefits are remote admin and an abundance of software (Not every piece of software needs to be bought from BestBuy/CompUSA) and the ability to learn at time goes on.
All Windows installations come with Exchange Inbox (Win95) or Windows Messaging (Win95b/98). If it is not already installed it can be installed from the CD.;
Exchange Inbox/Windows Messaging and their commercial clients, Exchange 4/5 Outlook97/98/2000 all use the same file format.PST.
The origional poster was talking about "Outlook Express" not Outlook, confusing, no. As you know the old Outlook Express 4 and earlier used text files to store the messages, not exactally RFC standard but workable. OE5 apparently uses a binary format. I have had some success in converting OE5 email into Windows Messaging.PST format, and then using Communicator or an older version of OE to convert this into a text file. Try it and see.
I haven't tried the Windows Exchange client in WINE but you might want to look for their DOS (Exchange 4) client. I tried to get it to work in DOSEMU but I didn't know how to set up the network driver so I never got it to work. If you look around on the MS FTP site you should be able to find their old DOS MS Networks client (Not LanMan). Exchange requires the MS client because it communicates with the sever using RPC. There might also be a Win3.1 client, I didn't look. They still produce Win3.1 clients for much of their other software (IE5, Media Player 6.1, etc.)
I think you are reading too much into this, adding too many variables. Rape is a violent act, Slashdotting a server in 2 minutes would be a violent act in a different sense. The analogy is not the best one and does not carry to as many decimal places as you might think.
I do not have children yet, but when I do I will teach them never to be afraid of annother person. I hope to give them the confidence and the ability to defend oneself, whether in verbal or physical combat, that makes this so.
I don't know what post you read or what you are talking about. I did not refer to MTV in any part of my comment. I only noted that the HNN server was offline, with what appears to be a violent case of the Slashdot Effect. I in no way wish to belittle real life rape victims, or their families. I was just using the word as a figure of speach, referring to the violent and overwhelming force that their (HNN) server must have been exposed to, to bring it down in 2 minutes. Unless they took it down themselves earlier.
I really shouldn't have to make this post, then I realized that some people don't have a life.
You replied only 2 minutes after the story was posted. Either HNN really got raped in 2 minutes or they were forwarned and pulled the site rather than weather the onslaught.
This is rediculous. WhatsHappening is a phrase, and cannot (or should not) be a trademark. How the heck they think they can sue because this phrase exists in other languages is beyond me. I'm almost sorry I checked Slashdot this morning, there are enough articles about stupidity this morning to last a week.
Also the article didn't mention but I assume that this company is based in the US. IF it gets really stupid I suppose they could move the operation a few miles south to Mexico.
Absolutely. Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that they started the big FUD machine, putting out a newsletter about why Linux sucks? Has their corporate position changed radically since then or is this a case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing.
It doesn't matter much really, SCO is irrelevant. They are the last Old Guard UNIX dinasaur, maybe they just don't know that they are already dead.
Maybe this would be a good time for RedHat to buy them out, being that they love Linux so.
I don't know anything about this particular journalist. I don't read ZDnet publications because they usually suck ass. But we should praise them when they do get something right for a change. Maybe it will incite them to perform more random acts of correctness, fancy that!
I love the technology here. When they get these designs completed they will really have the bridge between current tech and nanotech. I'm a little concerned about this guys cavilier attitude toward the environmental impact though.
If this works out these things will probably be cheap enough to produce in the 10s of millions. There is a good chance people and animals will inhale/eat them. What effect will they have, they might have solar cells or batteries on board with exotic or toxic chemicals. The last thing I need is some bizarro cancer or disease because I ate one of these things. You'd think someone from UC Berkely would be much more aware of these dangers.
I wonder if this guy has read The Diamond Age. The stuff they are designing are small enough to make this applicable.
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I wear glasses and concur that going to the pool is a worthless experience when you can't see anything. I can't see what I am doing, I can't recognize my friends and I see no one in their skimpy bathing suits. Bummer.
Of course on a SysV init system setting up the order which daemons are started and killed is trivial. On NT you have a blackbox kiosk type OS that expects to be able to do everything for you and becomes very confused when stuff doens't go according to plan.
I don't think that VMWare would run on a 386, it requires the RCTSD (sp?) instruction. I don't believe that was introuduced until the Pentium, or maybe the later 486 (DX-2/4 5x86). VMWare won't run on my Cyrix 6x86 P150+ because it lacks this instruction, one of the few pieces of software that I have had a problem with.
I thought that Cisco was working on or using an embedded Linux kernel for some of their products, maybe not uClinux but something.
The heck with putting a Linux boot floppy in that beast, for a real kick put in a Win95/NT floppy!!?!! Now that would be truly wierd.
>much as how every article on /. has a comment >saying "Man, I'd like a Beowulf of these babies," >most of the people saying that never will have a >Beowulf or a need for a clustered system. (I >mean, come ON, what would you, personally, use >all that computing power for?)
PovRayQuake of course!
That is for the people who aren't simulating nuclear explosions of their neighbors dog.
The question of weather Linus will accept these kernel patches is a matter of what is being changed. If they are architecturally sound and take the kernel in a direction that Linus wants it to go they will be incorporated, if they are just some glue for proprietary stuff that TurboLinux sells then they don't have a chance in hell.
The other question is -- could they, or would they, fork the kernel if TurboLinux doesn't get their way. The other solution is to either make due without their enhancements or port their patches to each kernel version. The second option is not too far away from what other vendors do in backporting security updates to the old, shipping, version of thier kernel (COL w/2.2.10 has patches from 2.2.12/13 in a 2.2.10 update RPM). There are also other distros that add beta or unsupported patches, like devfs (Correct me if I am wrong on this point, I don't have this personally).
What does the GPL allow? They don't own Linux, no one does, what would they be able to accomplish (barring Linus from accepting their patches)without the support of the core developers.
I guess that I have more questions than answers, GPLd software hasn't been as popular as recently and some of these issues are being tested on a large scale, for the first time. Or maybe not, the GPL has been around for many years. Maybe this kind of thing has happened before and we can just look back and learn from experience. If anyone can point out an instance I would appreciate it greatly.
Enough rambling for one post.
" an extropian technomystical feeding frenzy . . ."
Is this the writing of A.C. or Don King?!
Sarcasim On
Oh, this is what I always hoped gene-splicing would come to. This is the pinnacle of genetic engineering technology. Christmas trees that Glow! When we could be curing cancer or fighting the common cold we are making ugly, gaudy, ultra-American glow-in-the-dark Christmas trees.
/Sarcasim Off
The sad part is that these will probably be popular. I suppose that they will help prevent candle-causing house fires, and save on electricity. But Geeze!
> worked fine except you must be root to mount floppies a . . .
Not true! You can mount your floppies through the Automounter Daemon, KDE sets up a link on the desktop for this. The upside is that they never have to mount/unmount drives, the downside is that floppies can be ejected before AMD can unmount them (5 sec default) possibly causing corruption.
Otherwise you could set up the floppy (and CDROM) to be user mountable. This is how I have my KDE desktop set. You just right click and mount/unmount, a little green light goes onto the icon to let you know if a FS is mounted. Upside: know what is mounted when, deters corruption, downside: must know about mounting/unmounting filesystems.
I actually just set this up for a cousin of mine. It seems to work great. I installed Caldera DR-DOS 7.03 and New Deal on an old 486-33/4MB RAM/40MB HDD. I fit the entire New Deal install, including office type apps, and about 20 DOS games in there, without using Stacker compression. Simple.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for this application, too many bells and whistles and an interface that might be too inflexible to lock down properly. In DOS everybody is Root.
I had forgotten about the WebTV. This would be an excellant solution. A cheap, blackbox machine that he won't be able to mess up, or have to fix. Also you won't have to configure it extensively before you turn it over to him. The downside is that AFAIK you have to use the WebTV ISP, and the browser that ships with it is not the best.
Otherwise I agree that Linux/X11 can be set up with the same capabilities, and more. You can run it on older hardware (What's a P200/64MB going for these days?) with great performance. The benefits are remote admin and an abundance of software (Not every piece of software needs to be bought from BestBuy/CompUSA) and the ability to learn at time goes on.
Just $0.02
Not Hitler! Actually that sounds more like Dr. Strangelove, with his involuntary "Sig Heil"ing.
Bill Gates is Dr. Strangelove, now the universe makes more sense!
All Windows installations come with Exchange Inbox (Win95) or Windows Messaging (Win95b/98). If it is not already installed it can be installed from the CD.;
.PST.
Exchange Inbox/Windows Messaging and their commercial clients, Exchange 4/5 Outlook97/98/2000 all use the same file format
> suicide reportedly coincides with 2000th day of uptime . . .
That sounds about right for the W2K release date, assuming they start now.
The origional poster was talking about "Outlook Express" not Outlook, confusing, no. As you know the old Outlook Express 4 and earlier used text files to store the messages, not exactally RFC standard but workable. OE5 apparently uses a binary format. I have had some success in converting OE5 email into Windows Messaging .PST format, and then using Communicator or an older version of OE to convert this into a text file. Try it and see.
I haven't tried the Windows Exchange client in WINE but you might want to look for their DOS (Exchange 4) client. I tried to get it to work in DOSEMU but I didn't know how to set up the network driver so I never got it to work. If you look around on the MS FTP site you should be able to find their old DOS MS Networks client (Not LanMan). Exchange requires the MS client because it communicates with the sever using RPC. There might also be a Win3.1 client, I didn't look. They still produce Win3.1 clients for much of their other software (IE5, Media Player 6.1, etc.)
Who says I'm a guy?
I think you are reading too much into this, adding too many variables. Rape is a violent act, Slashdotting a server in 2 minutes would be a violent act in a different sense. The analogy is not the best one and does not carry to as many decimal places as you might think.
I do not have children yet, but when I do I will teach them never to be afraid of annother person. I hope to give them the confidence and the ability to defend oneself, whether in verbal or physical combat, that makes this so.
I don't know what post you read or what you are talking about. I did not refer to MTV in any part of my comment. I only noted that the HNN server was offline, with what appears to be a violent case of the Slashdot Effect. I in no way wish to belittle real life rape victims, or their families. I was just using the word as a figure of speach, referring to the violent and overwhelming force that their (HNN) server must have been exposed to, to bring it down in 2 minutes. Unless they took it down themselves earlier.
I really shouldn't have to make this post, then I realized that some people don't have a life.
You replied only 2 minutes after the story was posted. Either HNN really got raped in 2 minutes or they were forwarned and pulled the site rather than weather the onslaught.
Why, yes, in fact I have. I commented on Red Mars a few weeks ago. Haven't read the other two yet.
This is rediculous. WhatsHappening is a phrase, and cannot (or should not) be a trademark. How the heck they think they can sue because this phrase exists in other languages is beyond me. I'm almost sorry I checked Slashdot this morning, there are enough articles about stupidity this morning to last a week.
Also the article didn't mention but I assume that this company is based in the US. IF it gets really stupid I suppose they could move the operation a few miles south to Mexico.
> Memo to the ignorant: Money = Favourable Gartner Group blurb. Duh.
Maybe that explains their article. They obviously haven't done any research, this year at least.
They are just talking out of their ass from what they heard from a guy who is friends with a girl who read PCWorld last week.
Absolutely. Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that they started the big FUD machine, putting out a newsletter about why Linux sucks? Has their corporate position changed radically since then or is this a case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing.
It doesn't matter much really, SCO is irrelevant. They are the last Old Guard UNIX dinasaur, maybe they just don't know that they are already dead.
Maybe this would be a good time for RedHat to buy them out, being that they love Linux so.
I don't know anything about this particular journalist. I don't read ZDnet publications because they usually suck ass. But we should praise them when they do get something right for a change. Maybe it will incite them to perform more random acts of correctness, fancy that!
I love the technology here. When they get these designs completed they will really have the bridge between current tech and nanotech. I'm a little concerned about this guys cavilier attitude toward the environmental impact though.
If this works out these things will probably be cheap enough to produce in the 10s of millions. There is a good chance people and animals will inhale/eat them. What effect will they have, they might have solar cells or batteries on board with exotic or toxic chemicals. The last thing I need is some bizarro cancer or disease because I ate one of these things. You'd think someone from UC Berkely would be much more aware of these dangers.
I wonder if this guy has read The Diamond Age. The stuff they are designing are small enough to make this applicable.