Because Motorola is suing Apple and Microsoft over standards essential patents with exorbitant fees, in the classic way of bait-and-switch once the standard is in place.
And Google specifically declined to make the same promise as Apple and Microsoft about this issue.
Disabling Metro on the desktop will lower the demand for touch monitors as well.
You've missed the point. Why do Microsoft believe that people want or need touch monitors? Why do Microsoft believe large-dimension touch interfaces are better interface than a mouse?
They're just giving people the choice. Remember, a billion people use Windows. A significant percentage of them might want to use touch monitors. The rest can ignore that and move on. Did they remove the mouse support in Windows and I didn't get the memo?
Troll for the fp? WTF Slashdot, someone actually makes a comment that is different from the 100 +5 insightful comments saying the UI sucks and you want to cover that up so no one sees it?
A DRM ban clause should be added as a constitut (Score:4, Insightful) by hairyfeet (841228) Friend on Tuesday February 17 2009, @12:54AM (#26882807) Journal
I been saying it and saying it that the DRM in Win7 hadn't been turned on and that is why they are getting good performance out of it now. Vista Beta 1 ran great for me too, but that was the pre DRM version. All of this DRM crap has to monitor you to keep "criminals" like the owner of the PC from doing as they like 24/7/365. All of that monitoring takes up CPU and RAM that could have been used for your stuff.
Mark my words, what we are seeing here is the tiniest tip of the turd iceberg that is Win7, AKA Vista the second edition. It will go down in flames as folks find out it is a big pile of stink just like Vista. That is why just yesterday I had a customer literally throw money at me saying "make this %^&^&$ POS Vista go away! I don't want to see this thing again until XP is on it!". So mark my words, Linux guys. Be getting your A games ready. Be doing everything you can to fix the little irritants like Winprinters because when Vista7 goes down in flames you are going to have a LOT of POed folks looking for a new direction. And Apple is just too damned expensive for John Q. Average. So this is your shot, make it count. I doubt seriously after Win7 goes down in flames that Ballmer will have a job and the next guy they bring in will probably be one of the MS Office guys and he will go back to dull and boring business OSes(Oh,Lord,please let it be so!) so you guys probably won't get a third at bat.
I for one would like some healthy competition to make the marketplace more fair so don't miss your shot,make it count. Because a moron as stupid as Ballmer only comes around once in a lifetime and you don't want to miss it.
Agreed, there is too much of hot air from people who expect it to be similar to the transition from Windows 95 to Windows 98. It's not, it's a complete rethinking like from Windows 3.11(for Workgroups!) to Windows 95.
Summary says:
The best strategy Microsoft could take would be to introduce users to Metro via its included apps and through tablets, while prominently offering the option to maintain the Desktop environment. Power users who choose to use the classic UI for desktops and laptops can still be exposed to Metro via tablets and applications without being forced to wade through it on their way to do something important."
That is exactly the strategy behind making iPad a consumption only device, and will exclude many nice form factors like the Transformer, Samsung Slate or the where you just take a tablet with you, and get a full powered device when you attach a keyboard/mouse to it. Or when you take a tablet but want to use touch instead of pecking at the keyboard/trackpad all the time (Idea Pad Yoga). I believe this allow for much more choice and innovation in the hardware choices that people will get once this launches. All-in-ones and two large touch monitors on desktops for power users will allow them to use Touch apps IF they want to.
Disabling Metro on the desktop will lower the demand for touch monitors as well. Making people use Metro also will give the touch ecosystem a big boost by expanding the audience for developer apps to all Windows PCs instead of being limited to just tablets, which will result in more Metro apps for users. Just look at Android tablets and poor selection of apps even after a year of release of major tablets like Xoom, Samsung Tab, Transformer etc The sales are just not there and one big reason is apps. Also remember what happened to the HP Touchpad?. Going against the iPad 200K app juggernaut is not going to be easy without this kickstart.
This was a not a controlled study but is a general experiment so that does raise the question of why a doctor would not prescribe sleeping pills to someone who is having a lot of trouble sleeping?
The only way to conclusively prove this would be to take patients who are going to be prescribed sleeping pills, split them into two while adjusting for other controls and have one group take the pills and other placebos and then monitor them.
Bingo, this is like comparing the death rates of people taking heart medications versus people who don't and then claiming the medications are killing the folks when it could be that heart disease is what is killing them and the pills are not 100% effective at all times to deal with the problem.
Also, it has been proved that bad sleep is a killer by itself, so comparing the death rates of people with sleep issues who did and who did not take medications may actually show that not taking sleeping pills might kill you if you have insomnia, which is the exact opposite of what the headline is claiming.
>It serves results from Google [blogspot.com]. And that sites been up an awful long time for any errors, misconceptions and... FUD to have been discovered and corrected by now,
OMG, I've just found conclusive proof that the earth is flat!!!
The below site hasn't been updated in ages and is still up, it means whatever it says is true!!!
Anything that relies on "voluntary" cooperation is flawed. Either you accept that 99% of the internet will ignore it and quityerbitchin', or... you create a privacy standard that is client-enforced and leaves no room for loose interpretation.
Just because people think they can shame Google into playing nice, doesn't mean those Doubleclick rat bastards will, nor any 3rd world fraudster, which means this whole P3P thing is a joke.
I am sure you will say the same thing if Google employees starts reading your email for fun and profit.
"Oh it's okay, it's your fault for trusting a site on the internet, stop demanding them to stop it, would warezemail.com stop?".
The list is supposed to be populated with the code(s) of what they're doing with the info. They're lying by not stating they're tracking users browsing habits when they visit pages with +1 buttons. Leaving it blank is not in the spec.
>So Apple is to blame because the system that exists where most electronics manufacturing occurs in countries like China simply due to the fact they make more profit? I see where does HP and Dell fall in line as (by all accounts) they make many more computers than Apple in China?
I specifically stated that they deserve more blame(not the only one to face blame) because they make more per iDevice/Macbook than Dell or HP or anyone else and thus are in a better position than them to pay a little more. HP was about to get out of the PC business because the margins are so thin, Dell is also suffering these days. So while they definitely deserve a lot of blame, Apple deserves more blame for this.
It's so groundbreaking! So visionary! No one else had ever thought to do something like this before!!
You mean like putting a touch interface over Windows 7?
Are you referring to Windows 8? If so you're wrong, Metro is much more groundbreaking and innovative than the icon and window based touch interface in every other touch UI including iOS and Android.
There is always rumors about a new iOS, or a new iPad or a new iPhone and somehow people get are juiced about them, in the end I just can't reconcile this enthusiams the people are having with the immorality of how these things are created. So Fuck you!
I know that Apple gets all the bad press for the Foxconn manufacturing atrocities, but keep in mind that Foxconn makes 'gadgets', and many other things, for many major companies besides Apple including Acer, Amazon, Cisco, Dell, Gateway, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, Microsoft, Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Nokia, Samsung, Sony, Toshiba and Vizio. The 'employment accommodations' are basically the same for any product they are making, so let's not pretend Apple is the only company who shoulders the "immorality of how these things are created". Let's hear some of your vitriol aimed at these other companies as well, or you're just another Apple hater using Foxconn as an excuse.
Apple deserves and gets the most blame because they are the ones with most margins to spare and the most cash in the bank (~100 billion). I like how the Apple lovers gloat about Apple taking 75% of the smartphone profits, making tens of billions of dollars of profit every quarter and being worth more than Microsoft+Google COMBINED, and how they get most of the profits from the PC industry as well. So the answer to your question is, how much more money can Nokia pay it's workers on the $20 handsets it sells the most before declaring bankruptcy(ending up in workers completely losing their jobs), versus Apple with it's multi-hundred dollar margins while playing $8 or so for assembly for each iPad and iPhone?
Of course all of them deserve blame, but Apple deserves the most blame, they are in the best situation financially to pay better than all the companies you have listed, and STILL make monster profits. That's why the bad press is directed more against Apple.
>I figured Apple may do something like this when they announced Lion would not only be 30 bucks, but also the license would cover every single computer you own (at home, not for business.)
All these comparisons in this whole thread fail to take into account a big fact, Apple charges and gets a lot of money for the hardware, whereas MS gets zilch for the h/w you buy. On top of that, they bilk upgrades, have you seen how much difference there is when you upgrade the RAM or the hard drive versus the equivalent on newegg? So you've given a ton of money over to Apple for every single computer in your home already, so if anything, they should be upgrading them for free, not even $30, especially for minor updates(the earlier big updates were a lot pricier). Not to mention that fact that MS service packs are free. If you had bought a XP machine in 2001, you were getting a whole lot of free software upgrades with the three service packs.
Unfortunately Microsoft is likely to make UEFI a requirement for Windows 8 machines. This means a 5 year old PC won't run Windows 8 at all.
You have got it totally backwards. The hardware is the one that enforces secure boot, not the software. So if you buy a Windows 8 x86/64 certified PC, you can't install other OSes without turning off secure boot.
But Windows 8 will boot without secure boot enabled or even supported by the system because it supports legacy BIOS.
It makes sense really, use the hardware if it exists, skip it if it doesn't. Don't know why it is so confusing to folks though.
How is this different from MS integrating IE into Windows to beat Netscape? Google has a monopoly on search and is harming other industries such as social networks, maps and finance sites by integrating them by default into the search, whereas other competitors like Map Quest don't have this chance and are dying off slowly like Netscape did.
You do realize that Gartner is basically a subsidiary marketing division for Microsoft right? And has been for what, 15 years? Their reports ALWAYS favor Microsoft. Shit, they probably said Bob was going to take over the world. You really have to be dense to believe anything they 'report' on.
Shouting "ALWAYS" doesn't make it true. Care to take that remark back?
Goddamn fanboys and their twisted reality. I seriously don't know if they're stupid enough to believe their shit, or they're just like analysts that like to mislead folks spouting FUD and false information at every chance in hundreds of comments and blog posts. Probably a mix of both?
It goes all the way to PARC. It's remarkable how similar the UI in computers and phones are to the PARC UI. Metro seems to be the only design that goes away from it.
I interviewed at Amazon once, what he says is true about the offices, they didn't look very clean and impressive. That's a bad impression right there.
Getting back to the topic, Google does get the outside contributors thing. Look at their search engine (leverage webmasters content and make them do the work of optimizing their site for your search engine), Android (app developers) just like his examples of Facebook, MS and Amazon.
But yes, Google is getting into a troubling mess with Wave, Buzz and now Google+(?).
I fail to understand your point. Are you against DRM because it's preventing you from pirating software as you seem to be trying to do with Windows and Office? If so that's pathetic. Maybe you'd like to use GPL software as if it were BSD too after stripping off the GPL headers too?
The original Vista DRM complaint seemed related to media playback.
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Because Motorola is suing Apple and Microsoft over standards essential patents with exorbitant fees, in the classic way of bait-and-switch once the standard is in place.
And Google specifically declined to make the same promise as Apple and Microsoft about this issue.
You've missed the point. Why do Microsoft believe that people want or need touch monitors? Why do Microsoft believe large-dimension touch interfaces are better interface than a mouse?
They're just giving people the choice. Remember, a billion people use Windows. A significant percentage of them might want to use touch monitors. The rest can ignore that and move on. Did they remove the mouse support in Windows and I didn't get the memo?
Troll for the fp? WTF Slashdot, someone actually makes a comment that is different from the 100 +5 insightful comments saying the UI sucks and you want to cover that up so no one sees it?
Remember this post from back then?
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/02/16/2259257/draconian-drm-revealed-in-windows-7
A choice comment.
A DRM ban clause should be added as a constitut (Score:4, Insightful)
by hairyfeet (841228) Friend on Tuesday February 17 2009, @12:54AM (#26882807) Journal
I been saying it and saying it that the DRM in Win7 hadn't been turned on and that is why they are getting good performance out of it now. Vista Beta 1 ran great for me too, but that was the pre DRM version. All of this DRM crap has to monitor you to keep "criminals" like the owner of the PC from doing as they like 24/7/365. All of that monitoring takes up CPU and RAM that could have been used for your stuff.
Mark my words, what we are seeing here is the tiniest tip of the turd iceberg that is Win7, AKA Vista the second edition. It will go down in flames as folks find out it is a big pile of stink just like Vista. That is why just yesterday I had a customer literally throw money at me saying "make this %^&^&$ POS Vista go away! I don't want to see this thing again until XP is on it!". So mark my words, Linux guys. Be getting your A games ready. Be doing everything you can to fix the little irritants like Winprinters because when Vista7 goes down in flames you are going to have a LOT of POed folks looking for a new direction. And Apple is just too damned expensive for John Q. Average. So this is your shot, make it count. I doubt seriously after Win7 goes down in flames that Ballmer will have a job and the next guy they bring in will probably be one of the MS Office guys and he will go back to dull and boring business OSes(Oh,Lord,please let it be so!) so you guys probably won't get a third at bat.
I for one would like some healthy competition to make the marketplace more fair so don't miss your shot,make it count. Because a moron as stupid as Ballmer only comes around once in a lifetime and you don't want to miss it.
Now those are troll articles and comments. Even Ars noticed http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/oh-the-humanity-windows-7s-draconian-drm.ars
Slashdot has turned into a circlejerk and nothing more
Agreed, there is too much of hot air from people who expect it to be similar to the transition from Windows 95 to Windows 98. It's not, it's a complete rethinking like from Windows 3.11(for Workgroups!) to Windows 95.
Summary says:
The best strategy Microsoft could take would be to introduce users to Metro via its included apps and through tablets, while prominently offering the option to maintain the Desktop environment. Power users who choose to use the classic UI for desktops and laptops can still be exposed to Metro via tablets and applications without being forced to wade through it on their way to do something important."
That is exactly the strategy behind making iPad a consumption only device, and will exclude many nice form factors like the Transformer, Samsung Slate or the where you just take a tablet with you, and get a full powered device when you attach a keyboard/mouse to it. Or when you take a tablet but want to use touch instead of pecking at the keyboard/trackpad all the time (Idea Pad Yoga). I believe this allow for much more choice and innovation in the hardware choices that people will get once this launches. All-in-ones and two large touch monitors on desktops for power users will allow them to use Touch apps IF they want to.
Disabling Metro on the desktop will lower the demand for touch monitors as well. Making people use Metro also will give the touch ecosystem a big boost by expanding the audience for developer apps to all Windows PCs instead of being limited to just tablets, which will result in more Metro apps for users. Just look at Android tablets and poor selection of apps even after a year of release of major tablets like Xoom, Samsung Tab, Transformer etc The sales are just not there and one big reason is apps. Also remember what happened to the HP Touchpad?. Going against the iPad 200K app juggernaut is not going to be easy without this kickstart.
That's like referring someone to Fox News for information on Obama. Seriously.
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2697521&cid=39187035
This was a not a controlled study but is a general experiment so that does raise the question of why a doctor would not prescribe sleeping pills to someone who is having a lot of trouble sleeping?
The only way to conclusively prove this would be to take patients who are going to be prescribed sleeping pills, split them into two while adjusting for other controls and have one group take the pills and other placebos and then monitor them.
Bingo, this is like comparing the death rates of people taking heart medications versus people who don't and then claiming the medications are killing the folks when it could be that heart disease is what is killing them and the pills are not 100% effective at all times to deal with the problem.
Also, it has been proved that bad sleep is a killer by itself, so comparing the death rates of people with sleep issues who did and who did not take medications may actually show that not taking sleeping pills might kill you if you have insomnia, which is the exact opposite of what the headline is claiming.
>It serves results from Google [blogspot.com]. And that sites been up an awful long time for any errors, misconceptions and ... FUD to have been discovered and corrected by now,
OMG, I've just found conclusive proof that the earth is flat!!!
The below site hasn't been updated in ages and is still up, it means whatever it says is true!!!
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
Off for a drive to the edge of the earth. Hope they have erected a barrier so people won't fall off.
Anything that relies on "voluntary" cooperation is flawed. Either you accept that 99% of the internet will ignore it and quityerbitchin', or... you create a privacy standard that is client-enforced and leaves no room for loose interpretation.
Just because people think they can shame Google into playing nice, doesn't mean those Doubleclick rat bastards will, nor any 3rd world fraudster, which means this whole P3P thing is a joke.
I am sure you will say the same thing if Google employees starts reading your email for fun and profit.
"Oh it's okay, it's your fault for trusting a site on the internet, stop demanding them to stop it, would warezemail.com stop?".
> Google didn't violate the spec
The list is supposed to be populated with the code(s) of what they're doing with the info. They're lying by not stating they're tracking users browsing habits when they visit pages with +1 buttons. Leaving it blank is not in the spec.
They can enforce it as a condition and get it done, because they're such a big customer, they have enormous leverage over Foxconn.
>So Apple is to blame because the system that exists where most electronics manufacturing occurs in countries like China simply due to the fact they make more profit? I see where does HP and Dell fall in line as (by all accounts) they make many more computers than Apple in China?
I specifically stated that they deserve more blame(not the only one to face blame) because they make more per iDevice/Macbook than Dell or HP or anyone else and thus are in a better position than them to pay a little more. HP was about to get out of the PC business because the margins are so thin, Dell is also suffering these days. So while they definitely deserve a lot of blame, Apple deserves more blame for this.
It's so groundbreaking! So visionary! No one else had ever thought to do something like this before!!
You mean like putting a touch interface over Windows 7?
Are you referring to Windows 8? If so you're wrong, Metro is much more groundbreaking and innovative than the icon and window based touch interface in every other touch UI including iOS and Android.
There is always rumors about a new iOS, or a new iPad or a new iPhone and somehow people get are juiced about them, in the end I just can't reconcile this enthusiams the people are having with the immorality of how these things are created. So Fuck you!
I know that Apple gets all the bad press for the Foxconn manufacturing atrocities, but keep in mind that Foxconn makes 'gadgets', and many other things, for many major companies besides Apple including Acer, Amazon, Cisco, Dell, Gateway, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, Microsoft, Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Nokia, Samsung, Sony, Toshiba and Vizio. The 'employment accommodations' are basically the same for any product they are making, so let's not pretend Apple is the only company who shoulders the "immorality of how these things are created".
Let's hear some of your vitriol aimed at these other companies as well, or you're just another Apple hater using Foxconn as an excuse.
Apple deserves and gets the most blame because they are the ones with most margins to spare and the most cash in the bank (~100 billion). I like how the Apple lovers gloat about Apple taking 75% of the smartphone profits, making tens of billions of dollars of profit every quarter and being worth more than Microsoft+Google COMBINED, and how they get most of the profits from the PC industry as well. So the answer to your question is, how much more money can Nokia pay it's workers on the $20 handsets it sells the most before declaring bankruptcy(ending up in workers completely losing their jobs), versus Apple with it's multi-hundred dollar margins while playing $8 or so for assembly for each iPad and iPhone?
Of course all of them deserve blame, but Apple deserves the most blame, they are in the best situation financially to pay better than all the companies you have listed, and STILL make monster profits. That's why the bad press is directed more against Apple.
>I figured Apple may do something like this when they announced Lion would not only be 30 bucks, but also the license would cover every single computer you own (at home, not for business.)
All these comparisons in this whole thread fail to take into account a big fact, Apple charges and gets a lot of money for the hardware, whereas MS gets zilch for the h/w you buy. On top of that, they bilk upgrades, have you seen how much difference there is when you upgrade the RAM or the hard drive versus the equivalent on newegg? So you've given a ton of money over to Apple for every single computer in your home already, so if anything, they should be upgrading them for free, not even $30, especially for minor updates(the earlier big updates were a lot pricier). Not to mention that fact that MS service packs are free. If you had bought a XP machine in 2001, you were getting a whole lot of free software upgrades with the three service packs.
Nokia used to make a lot of components in Finland, Romania etc. but after recent troubles, closed down the factories and moved to Asia.
Making of N9 Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqxYiXtzKd0&feature=player_embedded
Unfortunately Microsoft is likely to make UEFI a requirement for Windows 8 machines. This means a 5 year old PC won't run Windows 8 at all.
You have got it totally backwards. The hardware is the one that enforces secure boot, not the software. So if you buy a Windows 8 x86/64 certified PC, you can't install other OSes without turning off secure boot.
But Windows 8 will boot without secure boot enabled or even supported by the system because it supports legacy BIOS.
It makes sense really, use the hardware if it exists, skip it if it doesn't. Don't know why it is so confusing to folks though.
How is this different from MS integrating IE into Windows to beat Netscape? Google has a monopoly on search and is harming other industries such as social networks, maps and finance sites by integrating them by default into the search, whereas other competitors like Map Quest don't have this chance and are dying off slowly like Netscape did.
The new Nook tablet comes with a locked bootloader, unike the Nook touch.
You do realize that Gartner is basically a subsidiary marketing division for Microsoft right? And has been for what, 15 years? Their reports ALWAYS favor Microsoft. Shit, they probably said Bob was going to take over the world. You really have to be dense to believe anything they 'report' on.
You mean a report like this? http://www.winrumors.com/gartner-forecasts-0-market-share-for-microsoft-tablets-in-2015/
Shouting "ALWAYS" doesn't make it true. Care to take that remark back?
Goddamn fanboys and their twisted reality. I seriously don't know if they're stupid enough to believe their shit, or they're just like analysts that like to mislead folks spouting FUD and false information at every chance in hundreds of comments and blog posts. Probably a mix of both?
And Newton copied it from this http://images.yourdictionary.com/images/computer/_PROGMAN.GIF
It goes all the way to PARC. It's remarkable how similar the UI in computers and phones are to the PARC UI. Metro seems to be the only design that goes away from it.
If a A-level geek can't grok the UI for Google+, do the masses have any chance?
I interviewed at Amazon once, what he says is true about the offices, they didn't look very clean and impressive. That's a bad impression right there.
Getting back to the topic, Google does get the outside contributors thing. Look at their search engine (leverage webmasters content and make them do the work of optimizing their site for your search engine), Android (app developers) just like his examples of Facebook, MS and Amazon.
But yes, Google is getting into a troubling mess with Wave, Buzz and now Google+(?).
I fail to understand your point. Are you against DRM because it's preventing you from pirating software as you seem to be trying to do with Windows and Office? If so that's pathetic. Maybe you'd like to use GPL software as if it were BSD too after stripping off the GPL headers too?
The original Vista DRM complaint seemed related to media playback.