If this was about MS, all here would be screaming OMG DRM!! MUST UNLEASH AND MOD UP LONG TIRADES AGAINST MS!!!! like it happened in those Vista DRM non-stories.
But now since it's Apple, it's all roses and honey.
YOU must be new here if you havent' seen modded up long justifications everytime Apple acts out of greed.
The only difference seems to be that MS didn't have sensitive fanboys armed with modpoints and blogs full of worship and long justifications for the shit that Apple pulls.
Domination is what MS does best? MS in underdog mode is also pretty good. All their dominating products didn't come out of thin air. They kept plugging on while their competitors make mistakes (eg Netscape vs. IE5). IE5 was definitely better.
World dominated by Apple: the hardware costs a bit more for the computers, equal or cheaper for the devices, software is usually much cheaper than competitors but you can't do everything you want. Some features are limited or non-existant, but otherwise things run pretty smoothly, usability is first and 99.9999% of users don't need to rely on a "computer friend" to help them out.
Really? A bit more? Apple will double the prices as soon as Linux is the only alternative. Apple will be the only manufacturer, AMD will go out of business. etc. etc.
All this applies to most companies and even more so for Apple. The recent 30% forced charge on subscriptions is worse than anything MS could come up with. And it's enforced with DRM.
>In the end, most people do have a system that they have faith in. For many it is religion or revelation-based. For others it is based on the scientific method. The problem is, however, that unless you can personally validate the claims made by either, you are effectively using faith for both.
I don't see how that computes. 'Believing' in a round earth is a faith based belief? Have you personally gone up in space and seen a round earth? Or are you taking the word of astronauts who have and blindly believing the video they supposedly shot?
Same about Galileo's findings, was it faith based of him to believe what he did?
In 1609, Galileo revised the spyglass to create a telescope, improving magnification from 9 times to 32. With this new creation, Galileo began his study of the ever-mysterious heavens. He discovered many things with his telescope, such as mountains on the moon, and moons around Jupiter. In 1610, Galileo's first scientific book The Starry Messenger was published, describing what he had seen. With his new findings, Galileo also began to compare the theories of Ptolemy (which stated that all planets, including the sun orbited the Earth) and Copernicus (which stated that the sun was the center of the universe). Galileo's findings supported Copernicus' theory, which was against the beliefs of the church. In 1616, Galileo was called to the Roman Inquisition and made to promise to no longer publish or defend the Copernican theory.
After two more calls to the Roman Inquisition, Galileo was convicted of heresy and incarcerated. Shortly after his incarceration, his sentence was lessened to house arrest. For the last 8 years of his life, Galileo lived in his estate at Arcetri. Still studying mathematics, and with the aid of several faithful students, he wrote more on his studies of motion. Forbidden to publish, at least one known book(Discourses on Two New Sciences) was smuggled from the country to be published elsewhere. In 1642, at age 78, having led a full life of discovery, Galileo died, apparently of natural causes.
Were Galileo's beliefs and the Church's beliefs equivalently faith based then? What about now? Which one do you 'believe' in now? And why? Have you personally taken a telescope and made the same calculations that Galileo did? I suspect I won't get an answer from you, because that's what usually happens when people like you are cornered.
The CEO was planning on leaving within a year when he joined. T
The CEO planning on leaving within a year somehow justifies the needlessly fat paycheck?
. The fact that Mozilla still gets the majority of money from Google doesn't mean they're not looking for other sources of income.
It's what now, 6 years and still no success in cultivating other sources of income? I mean the management is paid top bucks for doing exactly that, right?
Most Mozilla development is done by paid Mozilla employees
Err, that wasn't quite what we heard when we were complaining about bloat and memory leaks. All we got was 'if you don't like it, fork it' and we had no right to complain because it was the work of unpaid volunteers working in their free time.
I mean, if people are getting paid, how hard is it to assign them boring tasks but which matter a lot to the end user? It's not just about scratching your itch when you're getting paid.
. The $66 million revenue will help tide them over if they stop receiving funding from Google. Firefox is not getting bloated or crash-prone
Not if the money is being squandered on C-level executives.
This is the future, not your antiquated notion that a phone has to be only a phone to be a phone.
And the logic being that, since everything can be a phone and since phones used to be restricted devices, they can be locked down to hell and we can't protest it? Wow, just wow. The number of hoops that people jump through to support Apple.. geez.
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iPads are not computers, but they are what 60-70% of the population uses a computer for, plus a little more like ebooks and some nifty apps we never knew we needed.
I agree, but the fact that they are not computers DOES NOT justify the lockdown that Apple places on them. And comparisons to game consoles are off-base. That was the point of my post.
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You misunderstand my point. BestBuy is not the only place to buy/sell software like Photoshop. But the App store is the only venue to legitimately sell software for the iDevices. That is the difference between Best Buy and the Apple App Store.
Quite true. Post anything that can be remotely construed as negative about Apple and you get downmodded for DAYS after posting. It's as if the Apple fanboys bookmark the comments they absolutely need to punish and then come back to them after they get modpoints to teach the posters a karma lesson that nothing Apple does is worthy of criticism. This only happens with Apple stories.
Steve Jobs hates it? Wow, I didn't see that. Can you send me a link to where he said he hated it?
Apparently the only freedom being lost is the freedom to tell the truth rather than misrepresenting everything when you discuss Apple? It's not smugness of Apple fanboys you should be worried about, it's the blind hatred and dishonesty of Apple haters such as yourself. Apple fans only come out in force when they see dishonest stupidity like you just wrote. They have to constantly correct the lies and disinformation of those like yourself who can't seem to grasp that everyone doesn't have to conform to your vision of the world. That (gasp!) people don't want to ADMINISTER their computers or devices at all, they just want them to work so they can move on with their day.
When you can get past your own ignorance and smugness then maybe you'll be able to see clearly to comment on others.
Yes, Apple gets a cut of 30% on sales of third party apps. So what? They take 30%, and give me (as an iPhone app developer) a platform for sales, a distribution system and a much reduced cost to advertise. The 30% they take for those services is utterly worthwhile, particularly for independent developer
I am getting sick of this argument. The issue is that it's a forced cut and there is no chance for stores that might, say, take only 20%. Same with Admob, if the service sucks, developers will use iAds instead, no need to ban competitors.
The fanboys making these argument seem to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
You're right, and that's what makes all this doomsdaying about Apple taking over the world so silly. Let Apple make whatever rules they want for their devices/store, and let consumers decide to buy in or go elsewhere. If there's a market for less controlled hardware/content (and there is), then someone will fill that gap. And that's exactly what's happening. It's not magic, it's not an epic battle of good vs. evil, or even open vs. closed. It's different people having different priorities. It happens all the time.
For consumers to make a informed decision, they should be informed first. And it's stories like this and the comments which inform people. And it IS indeed an epic battle. The iPhone is restricted via DRM and trusted computing wrapped in a pretty package. Many geeks who cried foul half a decade ago about Trusted Computing and DRM(it's bad only if Microsoft does it I guess) have been taken in the by the 'ooh, shiny' factor and now actively defend Apple's practices.
Very true. Look at how Apple fleeces the iPhone users:
1) Profit on selling the device itself (either unlocked to consumer or to AT&T)
As opposed to HTC, Motorola, RIM, etc., who sell their products at a loss? How do you suppose they make money? Volume?
For HTC, Motorola and RIM, #1 is the only way to make profit and they're still doing okay. Read the 'fleecing' part and the entire post before rushing to comment?
2) A nice MONTHLY cut of around $18 from AT&T from the subscribers min. of $70/month. (This is the real reason iPhone is exclusive to AT&T inspite of shitty service all around, notice how this isn't mentioned much here on/.?).
Unsure how this fleeces the users. AT&T pays this to keep exclusivity (assuming the contract is still the same). If they didn't pay this, it's highly unlikely they'd lower the rate for iPhone users by $18.
Unsure indeed. So where are all those hundreds of millions coming from? Straight from AT&T's profits? Or from iPhone users?
3) A FORCED 30% cut of all third party software sales for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.
No one is forced to do anything. Apple does take 30% for paid iPhone apps, but this pretty much covers the running of the store, including things like credit card transaction fees, bandwidth, servers, admins, and so on. Apple does not make a significant profit from the iTunes Store or the App Store. And again, hard to see how this fleeces the users.
If the app store doesn't make a significant profit then why not open up software installing instead of wasting money on iron clad DRM and multiple TPMs? Atleast then they can't be blamed for blocking some apps or allowing others? Maybe others store can take less than 30% and include things like credit card transaction fees, bandwidth, servers, admins, and so on?
No wonder Apple is wallowing in money, they found an almost perfect way to part fools with their money.
Of course, because the only person who would buy an iPhone is a fool? Because AT&T are fools for paying for exclusivity? Because developers are fools for voluntarily paying for Apple to provide a service?
There is a fool in this equation, all right, but from the sounds of it, it doesn't seem likely that you've sent any money to Apple.
How many iPhone users know about how much of their money goes to Apple? They just pay AT&T and the software assuming that it's for phone service and for Apps. AT&T are not fools, they know people buy the iPhone just because others have it and it's shiny and suffer with it even at locations where AT&T service sucks balls and other cell providers' signals are great. The developers are not fools either, they just don't have many options right now because of Apple's monopoly on mobile software sales.
Superfetch is a crutch. A handy one, but it shouldn't actually be necessary to use it have great startup performance for your favourite apps.
Huh? Superfetch adds to whatever great startup performance apps have, I don't see how it's a bad thing. It's more like a turbo than a crutch, adding to existing speed.
YOU are missing the point. The last article seemed to be guessing that excessive paging was occurring *because* RAM was full. It didn't specifically state paging was happening. Any ambiguity about that has been resolved by this article...
So it was little surprise that, upon checking my reported stats on XPnet, I found that I too was in the "alarming" position of having virtually no free memory.
He had 1.3 Gigs of memory. I hope you and other anti-MS zealot posters in the earlier article who were claiming that the article specifically said there was excessive paging eat crow now.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Superfetch is much more than stats on commonly opened files. It takes into account the times of the day, weekends etc. too among other advanced stats. Anyway if it's trivial to roll your own, why doesn't such a thing run by default in Ubuntu? That's the thing that's sad and depressing, not giving names to technology.
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You can't blame them for trying. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/18/us-apple-doj-idUSTRE71H4DU20110218
Lets see if users can still use Netflix and Kindle on the iDevices after June.
If this was about MS, all here would be screaming OMG DRM!! MUST UNLEASH AND MOD UP LONG TIRADES AGAINST MS!!!! like it happened in those Vista DRM non-stories.
But now since it's Apple, it's all roses and honey.
YOU must be new here if you havent' seen modded up long justifications everytime Apple acts out of greed.
You might have hit the nail on its head. http://blog.millermedeiros.com/2011/01/ipad-is-the-new-ie6/
The only difference seems to be that MS didn't have sensitive fanboys armed with modpoints and blogs full of worship and long justifications for the shit that Apple pulls.
I think that was a counterpoint to this line:
Apple allow free apps in their store.
Readability was a free app before it was pulled with the new rules.
Anyway, Readability made a HTML5 app after they got rejected.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/09/readability-html5/
They can't be too happy with this news and might be thinking it is intentional to close the HTML5 loophole for subscription apps.
Domination is what MS does best? MS in underdog mode is also pretty good. All their dominating products didn't come out of thin air. They kept plugging on while their competitors make mistakes (eg Netscape vs. IE5). IE5 was definitely better.
World dominated by Apple: the hardware costs a bit more for the computers, equal or cheaper for the devices, software is usually much cheaper than competitors but you can't do everything you want. Some features are limited or non-existant, but otherwise things run pretty smoothly, usability is first and 99.9999% of users don't need to rely on a "computer friend" to help them out.
Really? A bit more? Apple will double the prices as soon as Linux is the only alternative. Apple will be the only manufacturer, AMD will go out of business. etc. etc.
And the worst?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/19/AR2011021902399.html
All this applies to most companies and even more so for Apple. The recent 30% forced charge on subscriptions is worse than anything MS could come up with. And it's enforced with DRM.
What's the problem with denouncing populist crap?
The Post-Photoshop era is here. Look at what this guy did in Paint? http://diamonster.deviantart.com/art/powerdraw-17908194?fullview=1
The real news will be on June 30th when Apple wants a 30% cut of Hungary's GDP.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/19/AR2011021902399.html
>In the end, most people do have a system that they have faith in. For many it is religion or revelation-based. For others it is based on the scientific method. The problem is, however, that unless you can personally validate the claims made by either, you are effectively using faith for both.
I don't see how that computes. 'Believing' in a round earth is a faith based belief? Have you personally gone up in space and seen a round earth? Or are you taking the word of astronauts who have and blindly believing the video they supposedly shot?
Same about Galileo's findings, was it faith based of him to believe what he did?
In 1609, Galileo revised the spyglass to create a telescope, improving magnification from 9 times to 32. With this new creation, Galileo began his study of the ever-mysterious heavens. He discovered many things with his telescope, such as mountains on the moon, and moons around Jupiter. In 1610, Galileo's first scientific book The Starry Messenger was published, describing what he had seen. With his new findings, Galileo also began to compare the theories of Ptolemy (which stated that all planets, including the sun orbited the Earth) and Copernicus (which stated that the sun was the center of the universe). Galileo's findings supported Copernicus' theory, which was against the beliefs of the church. In 1616, Galileo was called to the Roman Inquisition and made to promise to no longer publish or defend the Copernican theory.
After two more calls to the Roman Inquisition, Galileo was convicted of heresy and incarcerated. Shortly after his incarceration, his sentence was lessened to house arrest. For the last 8 years of his life, Galileo lived in his estate at Arcetri. Still studying mathematics, and with the aid of several faithful students, he wrote more on his studies of motion. Forbidden to publish, at least one known book(Discourses on Two New Sciences) was smuggled from the country to be published elsewhere. In 1642, at age 78, having led a full life of discovery, Galileo died, apparently of natural causes.
Were Galileo's beliefs and the Church's beliefs equivalently faith based then? What about now? Which one do you 'believe' in now? And why? Have you personally taken a telescope and made the same calculations that Galileo did? I suspect I won't get an answer from you, because that's what usually happens when people like you are cornered.
The CEO was planning on leaving within a year when he joined. T
The CEO planning on leaving within a year somehow justifies the needlessly fat paycheck?
. The fact that Mozilla still gets the majority of money from Google doesn't mean they're not looking for other sources of income.
It's what now, 6 years and still no success in cultivating other sources of income? I mean the management is paid top bucks for doing exactly that, right?
Most Mozilla development is done by paid Mozilla employees
Err, that wasn't quite what we heard when we were complaining about bloat and memory leaks. All we got was 'if you don't like it, fork it' and we had no right to complain because it was the work of unpaid volunteers working in their free time.
I mean, if people are getting paid, how hard is it to assign them boring tasks but which matter a lot to the end user? It's not just about scratching your itch when you're getting paid.
. The $66 million revenue will help tide them over if they stop receiving funding from Google. Firefox is not getting bloated or crash-prone
Not if the money is being squandered on C-level executives.
This is the future, not your antiquated notion that a phone has to be only a phone to be a phone.
And the logic being that, since everything can be a phone and since phones used to be restricted devices, they can be locked down to hell and we can't protest it? Wow, just wow. The number of hoops that people jump through to support Apple.. geez.
iPads are not computers, but they are what 60-70% of the population uses a computer for, plus a little more like ebooks and some nifty apps we never knew we needed.
I agree, but the fact that they are not computers DOES NOT justify the lockdown that Apple places on them. And comparisons to game consoles are off-base. That was the point of my post.
You misunderstand my point. BestBuy is not the only place to buy/sell software like Photoshop. But the App store is the only venue to legitimately sell software for the iDevices. That is the difference between Best Buy and the Apple App Store.
Quite true. Post anything that can be remotely construed as negative about Apple and you get downmodded for DAYS after posting. It's as if the Apple fanboys bookmark the comments they absolutely need to punish and then come back to them after they get modpoints to teach the posters a karma lesson that nothing Apple does is worthy of criticism. This only happens with Apple stories.
Steve Jobs hates it? Wow, I didn't see that. Can you send me a link to where he said he hated it?
Apparently the only freedom being lost is the freedom to tell the truth rather than misrepresenting everything when you discuss Apple? It's not smugness of Apple fanboys you should be worried about, it's the blind hatred and dishonesty of Apple haters such as yourself. Apple fans only come out in force when they see dishonest stupidity like you just wrote. They have to constantly correct the lies and disinformation of those like yourself who can't seem to grasp that everyone doesn't have to conform to your vision of the world. That (gasp!) people don't want to ADMINISTER their computers or devices at all, they just want them to work so they can move on with their day.
When you can get past your own ignorance and smugness then maybe you'll be able to see clearly to comment on others.
Err, see http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/20/steve_jobs_says_no_to_googles_vp8_webm_codec.html
Yes, Apple gets a cut of 30% on sales of third party apps. So what? They take 30%, and give me (as an iPhone app developer) a platform for sales, a distribution system and a much reduced cost to advertise. The 30% they take for those services is utterly worthwhile, particularly for independent developer
I am getting sick of this argument. The issue is that it's a forced cut and there is no chance for stores that might, say, take only 20%. Same with Admob, if the service sucks, developers will use iAds instead, no need to ban competitors.
The fanboys making these argument seem to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
You're right, and that's what makes all this doomsdaying about Apple taking over the world so silly. Let Apple make whatever rules they want for their devices/store, and let consumers decide to buy in or go elsewhere. If there's a market for less controlled hardware/content (and there is), then someone will fill that gap. And that's exactly what's happening. It's not magic, it's not an epic battle of good vs. evil, or even open vs. closed. It's different people having different priorities. It happens all the time.
For consumers to make a informed decision, they should be informed first. And it's stories like this and the comments which inform people. And it IS indeed an epic battle. The iPhone is restricted via DRM and trusted computing wrapped in a pretty package. Many geeks who cried foul half a decade ago about Trusted Computing and DRM(it's bad only if Microsoft does it I guess) have been taken in the by the 'ooh, shiny' factor and now actively defend Apple's practices.
Very true. Look at how Apple fleeces the iPhone users:
1) Profit on selling the device itself (either unlocked to consumer or to AT&T)
As opposed to HTC, Motorola, RIM, etc., who sell their products at a loss? How do you suppose they make money? Volume?
For HTC, Motorola and RIM, #1 is the only way to make profit and they're still doing okay. Read the 'fleecing' part and the entire post before rushing to comment?
2) A nice MONTHLY cut of around $18 from AT&T from the subscribers min. of $70/month. (This is the real reason iPhone is exclusive to AT&T inspite of shitty service all around, notice how this isn't mentioned much here on /.?).
Unsure how this fleeces the users. AT&T pays this to keep exclusivity (assuming the contract is still the same). If they didn't pay this, it's highly unlikely they'd lower the rate for iPhone users by $18.
Unsure indeed. So where are all those hundreds of millions coming from? Straight from AT&T's profits? Or from iPhone users?
3) A FORCED 30% cut of all third party software sales for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.
No one is forced to do anything. Apple does take 30% for paid iPhone apps, but this pretty much covers the running of the store, including things like credit card transaction fees, bandwidth, servers, admins, and so on. Apple does not make a significant profit from the iTunes Store or the App Store. And again, hard to see how this fleeces the users.
If the app store doesn't make a significant profit then why not open up software installing instead of wasting money on iron clad DRM and multiple TPMs? Atleast then they can't be blamed for blocking some apps or allowing others? Maybe others store can take less than 30% and include things like credit card transaction fees, bandwidth, servers, admins, and so on?
No wonder Apple is wallowing in money, they found an almost perfect way to part fools with their money.
Of course, because the only person who would buy an iPhone is a fool? Because AT&T are fools for paying for exclusivity? Because developers are fools for voluntarily paying for Apple to provide a service?
There is a fool in this equation, all right, but from the sounds of it, it doesn't seem likely that you've sent any money to Apple.
How many iPhone users know about how much of their money goes to Apple? They just pay AT&T and the software assuming that it's for phone service and for Apps. AT&T are not fools, they know people buy the iPhone just because others have it and it's shiny and suffer with it even at locations where AT&T service sucks balls and other cell providers' signals are great. The developers are not fools either, they just don't have many options right now because of Apple's monopoly on mobile software sales.
Also, ad hominem much?
You mean you aren't in the software business? All programmers do is flip bits, until they are laid off and start flipping burgers.
What DRM? Seriously.
Superfetch is a crutch. A handy one, but it shouldn't actually be necessary to use it have great startup performance for your favourite apps.
Huh? Superfetch adds to whatever great startup performance apps have, I don't see how it's a bad thing. It's more like a turbo than a crutch, adding to existing speed.
YOU are missing the point. The last article seemed to be guessing that excessive paging was occurring *because* RAM was full. It didn't specifically state paging was happening. Any ambiguity about that has been resolved by this article...
So it was little surprise that, upon checking my reported stats on XPnet, I found that I too was in the "alarming" position of having virtually no free memory.
He had 1.3 Gigs of memory. I hope you and other anti-MS zealot posters in the earlier article who were claiming that the article specifically said there was excessive paging eat crow now.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Superfetch is much more than stats on commonly opened files. It takes into account the times of the day, weekends etc. too among other advanced stats. Anyway if it's trivial to roll your own, why doesn't such a thing run by default in Ubuntu? That's the thing that's sad and depressing, not giving names to technology.
Err those are the safe temperatures for a switched off phone, not a range for which the phone must not be operated.