I'm tired of Apple being used to justify shitty behaviour from Microsoft. In this case its no even true.
And I am tired of Apple fanboys giving a free pass
Wait, why is the Surface RT a computer and the iPad not? Apple made the locked down app store mainstream and acceptable in public eyes because the media was too obsessed with "ooh shiny". Go read some journalists rants on Palladium and watch them completely fold on the iPad and praise it like no tomorrow.
so hung application produces pretty patterns on the screen when you try to drag your window, if you can even drag it at all.
This shows that people like you have last used Windows back in the XP or even ME days. Get with the times instead of wallowing in outdated criticisms.
You can't allocate a monitor connected to one host to become a part of the environment for other hosts, or combine multiple hosts with their monitors to show a single desktop, with applications spanning all of them.
.. management of resolutions on multiple screens, some virtual, some networked...
This is soooooo useful to so many desktop users compared to the use case of extending desktop to another monitor on the desk without fiddling with multiple config files and utilities. *snicker*
And no, your stupid Terminal Services don't count.
Yes, lets discount actual working remote desktop over even dialup,and lets trumpet outdated technology requiring a LAN.
According to TFA his list is opt-in only, so unless he's lying about that he doesn't appear to be a spammer.
Except that if even a few people viewing the email click on the "THIS IS SPAM" button in their email client/website, you're going on their shitlist regardless of whether people opted in or not. People tend to easily forget what they signed up for, and in some cases even if they remember, hitting the spam button is way easier than figuring out how to unsubscribe, even if the email has a link to do that.
Are you seriously claiming that if Apple were in Microsoft's position things would've been better? Imagine no OEMs, no Dell, no Lenono, no HP and having to buy only from Apple and paying both a huge hardware and a software tax. Imagine paying Apple 30% tax for every PC app ever sold, if it were ever allowed to be sold by Apple ie. Remember how they say on Google Voice for a year before rejecting it?. If anything, Apple's lockdown is far far worse than even MS could've dreamed of. Remember how they killed off Psystar and how litigious they are?
Just because Apple is able to keep their version of Halloween documents from the prying eyes of the public doesn't mean that they don't actively seek to do the same thing or worse, and it seems to be pretty naive to think otherwise if you go by their actions.
Here we go again, Slashdot posters lining up to bash Microsoft via sarcastic attempts to be funny while Apple steals developer freedoms, and then they wonder about how Apple was able to put digital handcuffs on everyone in a different story.
Thanks for the typical Slashdot karmawhoring circlejerking useless post to enhance the groupthink.
First, calling on Apple to lessen restrictions on the business model of ebook stores etc. is completely orthogonal to the numbers you cited. Your's a non sequitir argument. How much money has been made by developers on the PC over the same time period of 5 years? Must be tens of billions. Most of the money you quote is paid to a few big developers.
Canalys research group estimates that half of all App store revenue from Apple and Google goes to just 25 developers. Pandora is the only non-game developer in the top 25.
There are over 700,000 apps available for Apple platforms and almost 200,000 publishers per 148apps.biz. Apps that charge on average generate $1.65 for a non-game app and $0.91 for a gaming app.
So paying a bit more to the small guys is not going to kill Apple or the platform.
Just because you're an AAPL shareholder recently butthurt about AAPL's fall in share price doesn't mean that Slashdot posters need to stop posts by developers complaining about Apple's greed trying to pad to their $120B+ in cash at the expense of app devs.
As far as developer freedom and Apple most of the people who complain most bitterly about Apple's policies on/. aren't Apple developers. They are quite often wrong on the facts, and misleading. You can't "take on" a product you don't use. The discussion among Apple developers are on issues like upgrade pricing and customer communication..
What? So Apple tried to remove the in-app purchasing restrictions but listened to developers who wanted them back? Or perhaps they dropped their forced 30% tithe to 15% but had to listen to the developer's clamor for how it was too low? And all the hundreds of legit apps that got banned like Readbility etc., Apple wanted to approve them but those developers requested Apple to ban them?
That's some major spin you have going there --> "The discussion among Apple developers are on issues like upgrade pricing and customer communication"
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
Cry me a fucking river, Apple fanbois/zealots/cultists and shareholders on this forum like yourself, jcr, whisper_jeff and Superkendall. You're just a notch above Scientologists in my book, and use many of the same tactics.
Wrong - it's about the 30% cut. What in-app purchases does office have again?
It's Office 365 subscriptions, can't RTFA because of the RDF fog around you? Or perhaps you're an Apple zealot(maybe one of whisper_jeff, jcr, superkendall) posing as an ignorant AC to derail any criticism of Apple. The less said about the rest of your post, the better.
Palladium allowed for data security. It wasn't about restricting applications at all it was about allowing PCs to have trusted computing. That's not something Apple to this day really offers, though they've put in place a lot of it.
The technical idea underlying treacherous computing is that the computer includes a digital encryption and signature device, and the keys are kept secret from you. Proprietary programs will use this device to control which other programs you can run, which documents or data you can access, and what programs you can pass them to. These programs will continually download new authorization rules through the Internet, and impose those rules automatically on your work.
RMS was right as usual, but he was wrong about which company would implement and probably utterly surprised how the tech savvy crowd drooled over Apple's shiny cage and couldn't buy and recommend them fast enough over more open PCs.
As opposed to Apple fans like whisper_jeff and jcr who shill for Apple for free? Just read their posts on this story. Wait, you must be an Apple shill too, trying to derail the discussion away from Apple's cutting down of developer freedom and onto the "paid shill" fantasies that Slashdot has. Even the first post troll seems to have got bored and left Slashdot.
So you mean between the open in-app purchases with own payment processors and only the 20% cut over $25k in revenue for an app, Microsoft's Windows Store for Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 is much more open and better financially for developers than either iOS or Android? Say it ain't so! This is sure to explode some Slashdot posters' and moderators' heads!
This lends credence to my observation that prolific Slashdot posters like yourself(and the moderators) are more concerned about hating and bashing Microsoft than protecting or enhancing developer freedom which is being killed by Apple:)
This is why people say Apple is even more restrictive than MS, and it's true. The question is whether the users realize it.
What hope do normal users have if even Slashdot users and moderators misunderstand the issue? See the number of comments made and modded up in this story shifting the blame on Microsoft and calling it a hypocrite? I don't know if it's the Apple fan section doing this, but I've seen many prolific posters(like namely yourself:) who are more concerned about bashing Microsoft rather than promoting dev freedom by taking on Apple, or perhaps it's the Apple fans that derail the discussions(anyone observe a lot of posts modded up funny on Apple stories?).
For example, take UEFI secure boot, where suddenly the couple of Windows RT tablets on the market(that aren't even selling well) are "ARM PCs" and calls for govt. intervention but then no one talks about the iPad which is much much more popular, according to folks here are not "ARM PCs"?! Apple with it's vertically integrated hardware poses a bigger threat(Apple's h/w tax) which is killing the multiple OEMs that sell PCs, but why consider the nuances when you can make kneejerk posts bashing MS on your iPad/Macbook which are instantly modded up?
Wrong, there is no case for an antitrust trial in the US or Europe in spite of uninformed Slashdot posts. If there was one, FSF Europe would've jumped on it. The technical matters are much different from the stupid modded posts like BMO's which are simply wrong. The FSF lawyers know their legal and technical stuff, Slashdot posters and moderators don't seem to.
The problem here is NOT UEFI / SECURE BOOT. The problem is MICROSOFT CERTIFICATION PROGRAM. That's where they boicott the whole industry, and where they should be given a fight. That stupid certification process they combined with a twisted use of the new capabilities of UEFI. Make no mistakes, shouldn't UEFI exist today, they would still be looking for ways to exploit their certification program to make manufacturers do anything they want, just so they can bless them with being "Win compatible". THAT is the great lie right there, by which they have the industry inexplicably grabbed by the balls.
The solution of course would be everyone giving the finger to Microsoft on their fucking certification program, and a more open competition would arise. I very much want to see how long they last on that environment.
You're close, and much better informed unlike the other modded up posts which are simply put, retarded. But you got a few things wrong.
The motherboard manufacturers and OEMs offered RedHat and others to include their keys. But they or the Linux foundation are too afraid to maintain a key signing infrastructure and to filter malware and are shirking from the responsibility. Perhaps your energy is better directed at making an organization which does key signing instead of just blaming MS for their certification program. The OEMs are certainly willing to help and they have no incentive not to. Solely blaming Microsoft because of Linux organizations etc. not stepping up to the plate is wrong.
If you could generate a self-signed key for free, then I would have less of a problem with this.
Oh please, you can do exactly that.
It's clear by your posts that you're out of your technical depth here inspite of your misinformed rants getting modded up by clueless moderators. Your every new post on this topic shows that you're probably a 14 year old kid who just got his new Macbook and iPad.
May I ask what you do for a living? Or are you afraid to tell us?
This is a losing battle, there are too many uninformed posters who can't understand such technical matters. You reply to one and 5 other posts come up saying the same wrong things and still modded up. This is happening since a year, there's no use. The smart neckbeards have been replaced by 14 year old kids who don't know what they're talking about and only read headlines and other raving modded retarded rants by the likes of BMO.
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Ghandi? Did you type that on your iPad?
I'm tired of Apple being used to justify shitty behaviour from Microsoft. In this case its no even true.
And I am tired of Apple fanboys giving a free pass
Wait, why is the Surface RT a computer and the iPad not? Apple made the locked down app store mainstream and acceptable in public eyes because the media was too obsessed with "ooh shiny". Go read some journalists rants on Palladium and watch them completely fold on the iPad and praise it like no tomorrow.
Get a retina Macbook or an iPad, Apple's hardware quality is superb.
so hung application produces pretty patterns on the screen when you try to drag your window, if you can even drag it at all.
This shows that people like you have last used Windows back in the XP or even ME days. Get with the times instead of wallowing in outdated criticisms.
You can't allocate a monitor connected to one host to become a part of the environment for other hosts, or combine multiple hosts with their monitors to show a single desktop, with applications spanning all of them.
This is soooooo useful to so many desktop users compared to the use case of extending desktop to another monitor on the desk without fiddling with multiple config files and utilities. *snicker*
And no, your stupid Terminal Services don't count.
Yes, lets discount actual working remote desktop over even dialup,and lets trumpet outdated technology requiring a LAN.
This is reminding of Slashdot's lame attempts and FUD against Windows 7 with the fake benchmark shit and false claims of DRM.
Seriously, I know several people who actually like Windows 8 better.
Watch a couple of videos if you're lazy and learn some shortcuts and it's a better Windows 7 at the worst.
How to use Windows 8 in 4 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi8NpwiEuzc
Windows 8 Tutorial in 12 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E1UxI5I_jo
According to TFA his list is opt-in only, so unless he's lying about that he doesn't appear to be a spammer.
Except that if even a few people viewing the email click on the "THIS IS SPAM" button in their email client/website, you're going on their shitlist regardless of whether people opted in or not. People tend to easily forget what they signed up for, and in some cases even if they remember, hitting the spam button is way easier than figuring out how to unsubscribe, even if the email has a link to do that.
Top 25 are big business and don't care at all about Apple's cost structure
Really? How did you infer that? Ask them if they would be okay with Apple raising their commission to 40 or 50% and see how they will react?
And ask them if they would be okay with Apple taking only 10 or 20%.
How many small devs are making a living on iOS vs Android? Ask them why they chose each platform.
Also ask them the same questions as above, if they're okay with Apple's cut being 10%, 20% or 40%, 50%.
Are you seriously claiming that if Apple were in Microsoft's position things would've been better? Imagine no OEMs, no Dell, no Lenono, no HP and having to buy only from Apple and paying both a huge hardware and a software tax. Imagine paying Apple 30% tax for every PC app ever sold, if it were ever allowed to be sold by Apple ie. Remember how they say on Google Voice for a year before rejecting it?. If anything, Apple's lockdown is far far worse than even MS could've dreamed of. Remember how they killed off Psystar and how litigious they are?
Apple's already stopped shipping any GPLv3 apps. http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge/
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/03/24/1546205/apple-remove-samba-from-os-x-107-because-of-gplv3
Just because Apple is able to keep their version of Halloween documents from the prying eyes of the public doesn't mean that they don't actively seek to do the same thing or worse, and it seems to be pretty naive to think otherwise if you go by their actions.
Here we go again, Slashdot posters lining up to bash Microsoft via sarcastic attempts to be funny while Apple steals developer freedoms, and then they wonder about how Apple was able to put digital handcuffs on everyone in a different story.
Thanks for the typical Slashdot karmawhoring circlejerking useless post to enhance the groupthink.
Microsoft should charge Apple 30% of all iTunes purchases and subscriptions that happen on Windows PCs.
First, calling on Apple to lessen restrictions on the business model of ebook stores etc. is completely orthogonal to the numbers you cited.
Your's a non sequitir argument. How much money has been made by developers on the PC over the same time period of 5 years? Must be tens of billions. Most of the money you quote is paid to a few big developers.
See http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2012/12/06/top-25-developers-receive-half-of-app-store-revenue/
Canalys research group estimates that half of all App store revenue from Apple and Google goes to just 25 developers. Pandora is the only non-game developer in the top 25.
There are over 700,000 apps available for Apple platforms and almost 200,000 publishers per 148apps.biz. Apps that charge on average generate $1.65 for a non-game app and $0.91 for a gaming app.
So paying a bit more to the small guys is not going to kill Apple or the platform.
Just because you're an AAPL shareholder recently butthurt about AAPL's fall in share price doesn't mean that Slashdot posters need to stop posts by developers complaining about Apple's greed trying to pad to their $120B+ in cash at the expense of app devs.
Get over it.
As far as developer freedom and Apple most of the people who complain most bitterly about Apple's policies on /. aren't Apple developers. They are quite often wrong on the facts, and misleading. You can't "take on" a product you don't use. The discussion among Apple developers are on issues like upgrade pricing and customer communication..
What? So Apple tried to remove the in-app purchasing restrictions but listened to developers who wanted them back? Or perhaps they dropped their forced 30% tithe to 15% but had to listen to the developer's clamor for how it was too low? And all the hundreds of legit apps that got banned like Readbility etc., Apple wanted to approve them but those developers requested Apple to ban them?
That's some major spin you have going there --> "The discussion among Apple developers are on issues like upgrade pricing and customer communication"
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
Cry me a fucking river, Apple fanbois/zealots/cultists and shareholders on this forum like yourself, jcr, whisper_jeff and Superkendall. You're just a notch above Scientologists in my book, and use many of the same tactics.
Wrong - it's about the 30% cut. What in-app purchases does office have again?
It's Office 365 subscriptions, can't RTFA because of the RDF fog around you? Or perhaps you're an Apple zealot(maybe one of whisper_jeff, jcr, superkendall) posing as an ignorant AC to derail any criticism of Apple. The less said about the rest of your post, the better.
Palladium allowed for data security. It wasn't about restricting applications at all it was about allowing PCs to have trusted computing. That's not something Apple to this day really offers, though they've put in place a lot of it.
It was about the programs too.
From http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
The technical idea underlying treacherous computing is that the computer includes a digital encryption and signature device, and the keys are kept secret from you. Proprietary programs will use this device to control which other programs you can run, which documents or data you can access, and what programs you can pass them to. These programs will continually download new authorization rules through the Internet, and impose those rules automatically on your work.
RMS was right as usual, but he was wrong about which company would implement and probably utterly surprised how the tech savvy crowd drooled over Apple's shiny cage and couldn't buy and recommend them fast enough over more open PCs.
As opposed to Apple fans like whisper_jeff and jcr who shill for Apple for free? Just read their posts on this story. Wait, you must be an Apple shill too, trying to derail the discussion away from Apple's cutting down of developer freedom and onto the "paid shill" fantasies that Slashdot has. Even the first post troll seems to have got bored and left Slashdot.
So you mean between the open in-app purchases with own payment processors and only the 20% cut over $25k in revenue for an app, Microsoft's Windows Store for Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 is much more open and better financially for developers than either iOS or Android? Say it ain't so! This is sure to explode some Slashdot posters' and moderators' heads!
This lends credence to my observation that prolific Slashdot posters like yourself(and the moderators) are more concerned about hating and bashing Microsoft than protecting or enhancing developer freedom which is being killed by Apple :)
This is why people say Apple is even more restrictive than MS, and it's true. The question is whether the users realize it.
What hope do normal users have if even Slashdot users and moderators misunderstand the issue? See the number of comments made and modded up in this story shifting the blame on Microsoft and calling it a hypocrite? I don't know if it's the Apple fan section doing this, but I've seen many prolific posters(like namely yourself :) who are more concerned about bashing Microsoft rather than promoting dev freedom by taking on Apple, or perhaps it's the Apple fans that derail the discussions(anyone observe a lot of posts modded up funny on Apple stories?).
For example, take UEFI secure boot, where suddenly the couple of Windows RT tablets on the market(that aren't even selling well) are "ARM PCs" and calls for govt. intervention but then no one talks about the iPad which is much much more popular, according to folks here are not "ARM PCs"?! Apple with it's vertically integrated hardware poses a bigger threat(Apple's h/w tax) which is killing the multiple OEMs that sell PCs, but why consider the nuances when you can make kneejerk posts bashing MS on your iPad/Macbook which are instantly modded up?
No, it's 20%. Windows Store takes only 20% of sales above $25K.
Because the one that the article is talking about will show a prompt at boot everytime that the user has to click "Yes" to. It's like sudo or UAC.
Wrong, there is no case for an antitrust trial in the US or Europe in spite of uninformed Slashdot posts. If there was one, FSF Europe would've jumped on it. The technical matters are much different from the stupid modded posts like BMO's which are simply wrong. The FSF lawyers know their legal and technical stuff, Slashdot posters and moderators don't seem to.
The problem here is NOT UEFI / SECURE BOOT. The problem is MICROSOFT CERTIFICATION PROGRAM. That's where they boicott the whole industry, and where they should be given a fight. That stupid certification process they combined with a twisted use of the new capabilities of UEFI. Make no mistakes, shouldn't UEFI exist today, they would still be looking for ways to exploit their certification program to make manufacturers do anything they want, just so they can bless them with being "Win compatible". THAT is the great lie right there, by which they have the industry inexplicably grabbed by the balls.
The solution of course would be everyone giving the finger to Microsoft on their fucking certification program, and a more open competition would arise. I very much want to see how long they last on that environment.
You're close, and much better informed unlike the other modded up posts which are simply put, retarded. But you got a few things wrong.
The motherboard manufacturers and OEMs offered RedHat and others to include their keys. But they or the Linux foundation are too afraid to maintain a key signing infrastructure and to filter malware and are shirking from the responsibility. Perhaps your energy is better directed at making an organization which does key signing instead of just blaming MS for their certification program. The OEMs are certainly willing to help and they have no incentive not to. Solely blaming Microsoft because of Linux organizations etc. not stepping up to the plate is wrong.
If you could generate a self-signed key for free, then I would have less of a problem with this.
Oh please, you can do exactly that.
It's clear by your posts that you're out of your technical depth here inspite of your misinformed rants getting modded up by clueless moderators. Your every new post on this topic shows that you're probably a 14 year old kid who just got his new Macbook and iPad.
May I ask what you do for a living? Or are you afraid to tell us?
This is a losing battle, there are too many uninformed posters who can't understand such technical matters. You reply to one and 5 other posts come up saying the same wrong things and still modded up. This is happening since a year, there's no use. The smart neckbeards have been replaced by 14 year old kids who don't know what they're talking about and only read headlines and other raving modded retarded rants by the likes of BMO.