If you are required to use the computer for your work and it's your employers or clients computer and you must be there while it boots or shuts down, of course that's time you've committed to the client/employer thus it's valid work to be paid. If the employer wants to avoid this cost then they should either boot the computer for you so it's ready when you show up or they should leave it on all night.
Of course they need a space program, that way they can keep the best eye from the sky on all their people all the time. Australia is one of the toughest police states in the western world now after the USA and Britain.
Why is it that we techies just keep inventing better ways to be controlled by the masters of the universe?
Just say no.
If you are in a society that has the privilege just say no to your government's actions that cause evil (harm to others) in the world.
Why is it that stupid science writers get everything wrong?
The multi-universe notion is just that a notion. You don't need it to prove that god doesn't exist nor for explaining how life arose in our universe. It's just speculation that
"the universe: Its basic properties are uncannily suited for life. Tweak the laws of physics in just about any way and--in this universe, anyway--life as we know it would not exist."
That assumes that the "properties" of the universe can be "tweaked" at all! Very big assumption.
Just because we can image it doesn't make it real.
Oh right, imagine a god (anyone you like) and it exists.
Imagine that you're on another planet and you are.
Imagination can take you anywhere as the saying goes so does any connection with objective reality.
Mathematical imagination can be cool but until a connection with the actual objective reality we exist in is demonstrated keep whacking off all you like to dreams of multiverses for that's all it will be.
It's up to you to prove your god exists since you are the one making the extraordinary claims that such a supernatural being exists. Since you've not been able to do this (nor has anyone in many thousands of years) that should lead you to question if what you believe in is simply hokum (aka nonsense) just based upon the lack of evidence for gods.
"Rather than adapt to evidence many of us it seems remain trapped in ways of thinking inherited from our primitive ancestors." - Richard Dawkins.
There is a tremendous pile of evidence that there is no god. It's stacked up high and there for all to see, except of course if you close your mind off with the silly incorrect notion that you can't prove a negative.
The evidence from biology is that dead bodies can't rise from the dead once they are past the point of no return at the moment of death, or if you're lucky enough to have a doctor or someone to save you a couple of minutes after death. This is a fact of life that you can't dispute without resorting to magical incantations.
It is at the point of saying that "Jesus (and Lazarus and that whole town) rose from the dead due to the magic of miracles" that you take your leap of delusional faith and loose your connection with the actual objective reality within which we live our lives. It is at the point where you reject the facts of life, facts that you can verify yourself, that you disconnect from sanity.
Yes you can use science to disprove things with 100% certainty.
It's 100% certain that you can't jump to the surface of the moon from the Earth without the aid of any technology. Newton provides this proof.
The speed of "c" prevents any and all gods from existing. Period.
Thinking that god can "do anything" is simply magical wish fulfillment drivel on your part.
It's 100% certain that Jesus didn't rise from the dead, walk on water, ascend to the heavens or be the son of god. As we saw one can't jump to the moon let alone to the heavens (space); besides what would he have done to breath without air in space? If he rose from the dead he'd be a zombie jesus! But since dead bodies don't come back to life after the point of no return (just a minute or ten) it's certain that he didn't. If people actually saw him walking around later on it's just proof that he was a con man magician and not the son of god doing actual witch craft instead of lying to people. No being can be omniscient when it takes time for information to travel from one place in the universe to another - from hear to Mars takes at best 20 minutes or so.
Your fantasy god requires that facts of life and proven facts of nature be rejected at every turn. The rejection of rationality by embracing faith based delusional beliefs seals your fate and doom as a person disconnected from reality.
I have sympathy for your plight but won't offer you a safe refuge since I stand for human beings being responsible for their beliefs and actions in the world.
Deprogram your faith and beliefs. Come back to objective reality and embrace life for real!
Yes, I understand that your concept of god that you desire so much with all of your heart and faith is a super being that can do anything. Yes, you can call me an atheist if you wish. You're one to with regards to all the other gods you don't believe in by the way. Of course your god can do anything, that's how the con men of the church get you to hand over your money each week. Of course you can't follow rational logic, you are delusionally faith stricken with the whacked out notion that your concept of god is real. Sure, it's real to you and others but that's as far as it goes in objective reality. Mother Nature smacks down your god every time.
Please swat me like a bug god. Oh please. Nope, still here.
So you can have your imaginary super god all you want. Wishing god to be won't make it so. Science is a harsh mistress with a 14 inch strap on and doesn't care what any of us think or what we want or desire. Nature is what it is and isn't what it isn't.
If you actually take the time to learn some science and reread what I've written and ask cogent questions you might actually comprehend what I'm talking about. It takes critical thinking rather than faith though. Giving up faith and beliefs are the toughest of things for most humans in our all too brief existence.
May you enjoy your time alive for it's all you get. Peace. Get real.
I'm not saying that philosophy doesn't have it's place. The problem with philosophy is that few people test it against objective reality thus they'll (or you'll) believe just about any mind poo that comes around.
I'm saying that you don't need much of any philosophy to determine that gods can't exist in objective reality given the well known and existing laws of nature.
I'm not saying that philosophy doesn't have it's place. The problem with philosophy is that few people don't test it against objective reality thus they'll (or you'll) believe just about any mind poo that comes around.
Everything within our universe is subject to the laws of nature!
Point in fact, your mythical god concepts are subject to the laws of nature as you compute them in your brain. That's also the only place they exist.
You didn't confuse me at all. There simply isn't much need for philosophy when the facts of Nature are quite clear to us now, clear enough at any rate to eliminate all possibilities of any gods existing in objective reality.
>These arguments against any sort of higher being such as a god are flawed since they assume that such a being is required to play by the same rules as the rest of us.
You can spew forth all you want about philosophy however you are clearly one who forgets to test your philosophy against the rigors of Objective Reality. Almost all of philosophy doesn't map to Objective Reality at all and is thus simply mind poo. It's important to be able to distinguish when that is the case.
Nature prevents any "being" or "entity" from NOT being bound by the Laws of Nature. So it's not an "assumption" it's a necessary requirement of Objective Reality that all play by the same rules. Actually there simply isn't an alternative. If you think there is then jump to the moon to prove it!
>If you or science can prove that god/gods do not exist, there are book publishing deals waiting to make you quite rich. Very smart people have thought about this for a long time. There is no way to prove it.
Yes, there is a way to prove it. It's called science which rules things in and rules things out. Gods are ruled out. Why do you think they tortured all those heretic scientists all those centuries? They didn't want the actual truth about objective reality getting out.
Yes, and those very smart people have been wrong!
I am working on a book. There already are books that describe proofs, very good ones, that gods can't exist. They were also written by very smart people - much smarter in fact since they distinguish objective reality from fantasy in thought. It's just that you can't get it.
Yes, by deduction we do know there is more than the observable universe. I wasn't talking about the observable universe I was talking about the ENTIRE universe!
There is no evidence of a multiverse nor of other universes. It's mind poo thinking as they are just theories without evidence and although that's better than mythical beliefs about non-existent immaterial gods it's not that much better. (Theorists have a tough time with 'show it to me').
>An entity which most religious believers would accept as god might exist in the multiverse, we don't know.
Yes we do know. We know by deduction from the current well known and well tested laws of nature. Objective Reality permits no gods within or without of our universe.
It's just you that want a god. Why do you want a god? To save you from your personal death? If so you are pathetic. Live your life NOW! It's all you get.
>People have come back from the dead from both heart and brain death. You have to draw the death line surprisingly far out to make sure that no one comes back from it.
No one has come back from cellular death nor brain death. Sure some have come back from a stopped heart but that's not really heart death from which no one has ever recovered.
You seem like a nice person but you've got a lot to learn about science and objective reality. I suggest that you ditch your bible and pick up ten or fifty books and classes on critical thinking and do some learning and most importantly some belief deprogramming! Learn to separate the mind poo that your brain is having you think and type from the real good stuff, actual critical thinking that reflects objective reality to a very high degree. Also keep in mind that the vast majority of ideas about the nature of objective reality have been proven WRONG!
I missed nothing. This has nothing to do with philosophy. It has to do with simple facts of nature. Proven facts of nature. Proven laws of nature. It is these laws that inform us about the rest.
Any higher being wouldn't be able to interfere in our universe since the laws of nature in our universe would prevent that. Can't violate c. Sorry.
Also since our universe is defined as all that is it would include any higher beings within it!
You can postulate all you want about some mythical higher beings. They will always be just that, mythical and not so higher being since they exist only within your limited brain.
It matters not whether or not you agree or disagree with me and in fact my opinion and clarity or lack of clarity in how I explain things all matters not for Objective Reality is the way it is and isn't the way it isn't. Objective Reality is the final judge. Get out into Nature and TEST IT against your silly theories. When you have actual evidence then come and say hey look this evidence and this falsifiable theory demonstrate X. Until then you're just spewing mind poo whether that mind poo is bad science or good (yet evil and vile) religion.
Clearly our universe is NOT a simulation. Given the known laws of physics it's not possible for it to be a simulation. Quantum Physics prevents it. I know that's not very easy to get but it's the case.
Saying that you are in a simulation is no different than saying that there is a mythical higher being called god, for would not those running the simulation be gods?
Again you can postulate anything you want. However, Objective Reality in all her harshness rules in the end as the final judge of what is real and what is not real. And it does so without any consciousness nor intelligence.
It's only silly science fiction fans and religious nuts who believe that we are living in a simulation or a god based reality.
Sure I enjoy science fiction and fantasy and entertainment as the next person does, but I clearly delineate the two. Objective Reality is what is real and that's where I live.
>Not one of them comes close to including the scope of omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, or any other concept of God.
In fact many laws of science (really nature) prove that no being - no nothing - can be or could ever be omniscient, omnipotent or omnipresent. The very fact that there is a speed limit, c, in the universe proves this beyond any shadow of any doubts.
Certainly of knowledge that there is no afterlife and that the mythical soul doesn't exist come from learning about Nature, Laws of Nature, biology, chemistry, physics, information science, and much more. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
Go to a farm and ask the farmer to kill a chicken in front of you for you to take home. Take it home and put it into a pot. Now let it sit there for three days and you'll see why Jesus couldn't have resurrected. It's called testable science that you can do yourself.
Fill a bath tub with water after removing everything else from the tub. Step into it when the water is at least a few inches deep. No one will ever be able to walk on the surface of that water! Unless it's ice but that's cheating now isn't it. Proof that Jesus didn't and couldn't have walked on water proven ever single time you step into or out of your bath or a swimming pool or a lake or a river or an ocean!
Only stupid fools believe in magical super beings - since the evidence proves that magical super beings are just that, mythical fantasies (and seriously dangerous myths in the hands of unethical nut jobs who kill real actual living people in the name of their nonexistent and immaterial gods).
>You even express anger at a God that you claim to be certain doesn't exist. Somewhere, a psychotherapist is salivating at the idea of getting you on the couch.
As for any anger about god that is directed at what does actually exist, the vile and evil (as in doing harm) people who perpetuate the notion of a god existing. It's people who believe or have faith in god that are the ones out there doing a great deal of harm in their mythical savior's name. I'm angry at them (including those in my own family). I have no need of any psychotherapist for this health anger. Yes, healthy anger for it is yet another defense against the mind destroyers like yourself who promote ignorance over knowledge and dogmatic stupidity over observation.
Believe your faith based nonsense as you wish. I prefer objective reality as it is not as I want it to be.
>Uh, you do realize that just stating those things don't constitute proof, right? You'll find that the New Testament documents those things happening. You can say it's all lies. But it's silly to say you've proven it by never having seen those things happen.
No it's not silly at all since it's the application of what we do know about how the world/universe works, given our even basic levels of science.
For example, bodies rot. Three days rot (even considering primitive embalming type processes even if they were applied) would have made a mess of the man named Jesus's (if he existed at all) body. A putrid stinky rotting mess. Bugs. Bacteria gone wild and partying like there is no tomorrow! Ick.
Dead bodies rot and decay. Fact of life. Get used to it. No story book fairy tale (the bible) will ever be able to override these facts of life with incantations of meaningless words hoping that you'll fall for their con job.
Mother Nature (not that she exists as a living being) trumps and destroys your myths.
Science regularly relies up on proving the negative by ruling it out with the well known and well tested laws of mother nature. Objective Reality is a bitch. Get used to it.
>There is no way to prove god exists or doesn't. It's just not a testable hypothesis.
You are deeply mistaken. You can use the existing and well tested laws of science and mother nature to prove without any doubts that no gods could even possibly exist - inside or outside of our universe!
*(There is no outside of the universe thus it's all the same).
By death I mean the point of no return given the standards of modern medicine. Since Jesus was supposedly saved by magical means (fairy tales) it's sort of moot anyhow since faith based nut jobs ignore science anyhow just like you are doing.
Science proves what can be and it also proves what can't be.
You can't magically get out more energy than you put in.
You can't rise from the dead after organ, brain and cell death. Not in objective reality.
Only in fantasies and stories can people rise from the dead. It's when you take those stories and believe they are true based upon faith that you become delusional and disconnected from objective reality.
The only afterlife we have is if anyone we know remembers us after we have died and the bugs get to eat our corpses. Yum. Enjoy your life while you have it.
I don't see the irony you speak of, please clarify if you can. Thanks.
We will never find any gods by pushing the bounds of our understanding of objective reality since the results we have so far are conclusive that no such mythical beings are possible in objective reality. Nature is the final judge not us. She has shown her cards. All further science will do is confirm this till the end of the human race.
Science of course is worthwhile for us to pursue as it can improve our lives and might one day save us as a species to live another day.
Faith has no place in science. Of course I mean to say that the vile belief stricken delusional faith of mythical gods and associated dogma have no place in science or even modern life.
Faith is stupid because it makes people stupid. They believe BY FAITH that Jesus rose from the dead after his body was brain dead, organ dead and many of his organ systems had already begun to decay. There were no emergency paramedics or emergency room doctors to zap his heart back alive within the limited few minutes of his "heart stopping" to revive him. Yet they believe that after three days of rotting he magically came back to life. It's stupid. Anyone with any knowledge of hunting or biology or farming or life can easily see that the story of Jesus coming back to life is just that, a bed time story for kids that is no different than the story of Santa Claus. That is why faith is stupid. It blinds you from using your actual brain to separate the mind poo thoughts like jesus from those thoughts of real life that could actually make a difference in your life.
I have no faith in science. If I did I'd make a bad scientist!
Any "higher being" as you put it would be required to play by some rules of some sort of physics otherwise said being could not exist. Oh wait, the religious nut jobs do in fact claim he (god) is immaterial and thus doesn't exist! They actually do say that their god doesn't exist! Kinda funny when you think about their round about logic.
There is no outside of the universe for the universe includes all that exists! Doh!
Yes, you can prove that you are NOT living in a simulation now. Think about it and test your thinking against that harshest of mistresses, Objective Reality for Mother Nature always is the final judge and more often than not overrules our pathetic ability to think.
It's so easy to believe rather than think. That is the major problem that people have, the inability to distinguish when they are believing something as opposed to when they are actually thinking rationally beyond belief and that those thoughts have any correlation to objective reality in any way.
It's not enough for your thoughts to be cogent, they must be cogent and connected to the actual objective reality that exists us into being.
It's called applying critical thinking to actually think it through.
Any dead body that has passed cell death, brain death and organ death can't rise from the dead as processes have stopped and won't start again, brain death has occured and won't start again, organ death has occured and they won't start again, and cell death has occurred and all your trillions of cells won't ever start again. They turn to goo and information is lost forever.
It's only your hope that there is a god that keeps your pathetic attempts to claim there is one alive.
Science crushes the mythologies and the very notion of a god in so many ways that it's not possible for any gods to exist. Not even those elected gods.
Sorry to be the one telling you the harsh news about existence. Get used to it for it's all we got and no delusional fantasies will save you. You might be happier with reality. Check it out sometime.
People can't walk on top of water without cheating.
No one can ascend to the heavens without cheating by using technology.
Omniscience isn't possible given the speed of "c".
The same goes for omnipresence and omnipotence.
Omnipotence also violates the second law of thermodynamics.
The list goes on and on and on. So many scientific theories and laws of mother nature provide direct testable evidence that no gods are possible in objective reality.
It doesn't even take accurate scientific theories to prove god doesn't exist. Newton's Laws work just fine... Einstein just puts the nail in gods coffin.
Remember valid scientific theories tell you as much about what is possible as they tell you about what is NOT possible.
Newton proves that it's not possible for a human being to jump from the Earth to the Moon without the aid of technology.
Face it, god is a belief stricken faith based delusional myth that has gripped and stolen the lives of a huge portion of humanity.
It's easy to see what happens after death: we rot and are eaten by bugs and scavengers or we are consumed by fire on Earth. No magical ride to the pearly gates. No utopia awaits. Not even blackness for once your bio-electro-chemical brain functions and cell functions cease you're dead and can no longer perceive nada. No magical "soul" that leaves your body... just a cessation of the biological processes that provide you with the illusion that you are you. In fact you are many billions of cooperating cells that simply stop.
Delusional fantasies of an afterlife for each of us after our deaths only provide comfort against the harsh realities of nature.
Live your life to the fullest. Live your life minimizing the harm you do to others - preferably no harm to others. Don't support others who would harm others.
What is your purpose in life? Other than survival life has whatever purpose and meaning that you choose for it, even if it's a delusional fantasy. It's just better - in my humble opinion - to live one's life closer to objective reality than living it with delusional belief stricken delusions that stifle one's thinking requiring one to suspend critical thinking just because on hopes that the universe will spare each of us our own personal universal cold death.
Peace.
Oh, and if you want to have your "faith" - aka stupidity - in magic then fine be stupid and believe all you want in magical invisible non-existent mythological super beings all you want, just don't make anyone else join your death cult.
Remember to kill god if you see him for he has a large list of crimes against humanity stacked up.
Awesome! Now we can have our frozen heads conquering the galaxy...
Just when you thought you were dead they bring you back to life!
So now not only do you have to arrange your life so that you live the longest you possibly can so that you don't miss that latest star trek or star wars or battlestar galactica or the hulk or the spiderman or ultraviolet or... (fill in the blank)... but you've got to make sure that when you're die you (1) either get frozen so you can live again as a clone or (2) have your body and all dna destroyed so that you can't enjoy the eternity of nothingness without being disturbed by being brought back to life on some hell planet that some mad scientist or mad bureaucrat's idea of who should be awoken on the newest hellish exo-planet with exotic aliens that love human flesh...
This of course assumes that clones will have some memory of their prior owners past life. Well ok it assumes a lot more...
So who wants to sign up to have their frozen corpse's travel to and populate exo-planets with clones just to have them eaten by hellish exotic aliens?
I'm in. Any REAL NON belief-stricken-faith-based-delusional chance for life beyond the great nothing with awaits us all. Oh, a clone wouldn't be me so it's not a way out of death after all... sigh...
Oh wait, it's likely that the stuff of life came to Earth from space thus are we are alien life living on an exo-planet with hellish conditions... ?
I noticed this with my old V190 Motorola cell phone and recently with the iPhone. They "alert" me to an incoming call before the phone rings. I became known as a psychic at work since I'd reach for my phone to answer it before it rang!!!;--)
It seems to have something to do with shielding during the call set up.
The US Military is itself seen by many as a State Based Terrorist Tool that uses overwhelming military power to crush it's enemies and inflict countless murderous deaths against innocent bystanders, euphemistically called "collateral damage".
It's amazing that one State Based Terrorist Organization will be so afraid of others.
Look in the mirror and see the horror that has been inflicted around the world by the USA.
I don't support Terrorism whether it's by individuals or by individuals within groups or sponsored by State Based Organizations with an agenda. It's all the same: death and murder.
As Einstein said, we need to think differently at a new level to solve the problems created at the current level of thinking. Blowing people up might stop them but others get in line and the cycle repeats itself and expands...
How to stop it? What can you do to stop it? Revoke your governments power to wage war? What else?
What I like about it is the ability to search, find things, and the way that it can handle tiny chunks of data in their own tiny files as well as massive data files and directories with massive amounts of data. Who needs a database when one has a system like ReiserFS?
Bringing the advanced file system name space and search capabilities upwards into applications and presenting it to the user ensures that one uniform model is presented from the ground up through all layers of the illusion to the user.
Maybe the current implementation has problems but it can be improved...
While I'm not using the actual implementation in my system to end all systems I'm making use of a number of the key ideas in the ReiserFS system. Read the papers on the archived web site linked above.
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Sweet. I got myself a tesla board... now what the heck to do with it... no kidding... I got one of these beasties... any suggestions?
If you are required to use the computer for your work and it's your employers or clients computer and you must be there while it boots or shuts down, of course that's time you've committed to the client/employer thus it's valid work to be paid. If the employer wants to avoid this cost then they should either boot the computer for you so it's ready when you show up or they should leave it on all night.
Of course they need a space program, that way they can keep the best eye from the sky on all their people all the time. Australia is one of the toughest police states in the western world now after the USA and Britain.
Why is it that we techies just keep inventing better ways to be controlled by the masters of the universe?
Just say no.
If you are in a society that has the privilege just say no to your government's actions that cause evil (harm to others) in the world.
Now we have to rewrite all those star trek episodes... or do we... Gold Pressed Latinum anyone...
Why is it that stupid science writers get everything wrong?
The multi-universe notion is just that a notion. You don't need it to prove that god doesn't exist nor for explaining how life arose in our universe. It's just speculation that
"the universe: Its basic properties are uncannily suited for life. Tweak the laws of physics in just about any way and--in this universe, anyway--life as we know it would not exist."
That assumes that the "properties" of the universe can be "tweaked" at all! Very big assumption.
Just because we can image it doesn't make it real.
Oh right, imagine a god (anyone you like) and it exists.
Imagine that you're on another planet and you are.
Imagination can take you anywhere as the saying goes so does any connection with objective reality.
Mathematical imagination can be cool but until a connection with the actual objective reality we exist in is demonstrated keep whacking off all you like to dreams of multiverses for that's all it will be.
>YOU CANNOT DISPROVE GOD.
It's up to you to prove your god exists since you are the one making the extraordinary claims that such a supernatural being exists. Since you've not been able to do this (nor has anyone in many thousands of years) that should lead you to question if what you believe in is simply hokum (aka nonsense) just based upon the lack of evidence for gods.
"Rather than adapt to evidence many of us it seems remain trapped in ways of thinking inherited from our primitive ancestors." - Richard Dawkins.
There is a tremendous pile of evidence that there is no god. It's stacked up high and there for all to see, except of course if you close your mind off with the silly incorrect notion that you can't prove a negative.
The evidence from biology is that dead bodies can't rise from the dead once they are past the point of no return at the moment of death, or if you're lucky enough to have a doctor or someone to save you a couple of minutes after death. This is a fact of life that you can't dispute without resorting to magical incantations.
It is at the point of saying that "Jesus (and Lazarus and that whole town) rose from the dead due to the magic of miracles" that you take your leap of delusional faith and loose your connection with the actual objective reality within which we live our lives. It is at the point where you reject the facts of life, facts that you can verify yourself, that you disconnect from sanity.
Yes you can use science to disprove things with 100% certainty.
It's 100% certain that you can't jump to the surface of the moon from the Earth without the aid of any technology. Newton provides this proof.
The speed of "c" prevents any and all gods from existing. Period.
Thinking that god can "do anything" is simply magical wish fulfillment drivel on your part.
It's 100% certain that Jesus didn't rise from the dead, walk on water, ascend to the heavens or be the son of god. As we saw one can't jump to the moon let alone to the heavens (space); besides what would he have done to breath without air in space? If he rose from the dead he'd be a zombie jesus! But since dead bodies don't come back to life after the point of no return (just a minute or ten) it's certain that he didn't. If people actually saw him walking around later on it's just proof that he was a con man magician and not the son of god doing actual witch craft instead of lying to people. No being can be omniscient when it takes time for information to travel from one place in the universe to another - from hear to Mars takes at best 20 minutes or so.
Your fantasy god requires that facts of life and proven facts of nature be rejected at every turn. The rejection of rationality by embracing faith based delusional beliefs seals your fate and doom as a person disconnected from reality.
I have sympathy for your plight but won't offer you a safe refuge since I stand for human beings being responsible for their beliefs and actions in the world.
Deprogram your faith and beliefs. Come back to objective reality and embrace life for real!
Yes, I understand that your concept of god that you desire so much with all of your heart and faith is a super being that can do anything. Yes, you can call me an atheist if you wish. You're one to with regards to all the other gods you don't believe in by the way. Of course your god can do anything, that's how the con men of the church get you to hand over your money each week. Of course you can't follow rational logic, you are delusionally faith stricken with the whacked out notion that your concept of god is real. Sure, it's real to you and others but that's as far as it goes in objective reality. Mother Nature smacks down your god every time.
Please swat me like a bug god. Oh please. Nope, still here.
So you can have your imaginary super god all you want. Wishing god to be won't make it so. Science is a harsh mistress with a 14 inch strap on and doesn't care what any of us think or what we want or desire. Nature is what it is and isn't what it isn't.
If you actually take the time to learn some science and reread what I've written and ask cogent questions you might actually comprehend what I'm talking about. It takes critical thinking rather than faith though. Giving up faith and beliefs are the toughest of things for most humans in our all too brief existence.
May you enjoy your time alive for it's all you get. Peace. Get real.
I'm not saying that philosophy doesn't have it's place. The problem with philosophy is that few people test it against objective reality thus they'll (or you'll) believe just about any mind poo that comes around.
I am only interested in serious discussions.
I'm saying that you don't need much of any philosophy to determine that gods can't exist in objective reality given the well known and existing laws of nature.
I'm not saying that philosophy doesn't have it's place. The problem with philosophy is that few people don't test it against objective reality thus they'll (or you'll) believe just about any mind poo that comes around.
Everything within our universe is subject to the laws of nature!
Point in fact, your mythical god concepts are subject to the laws of nature as you compute them in your brain. That's also the only place they exist.
You didn't confuse me at all. There simply isn't much need for philosophy when the facts of Nature are quite clear to us now, clear enough at any rate to eliminate all possibilities of any gods existing in objective reality.
>These arguments against any sort of higher being such as a god are flawed since they assume that such a being is required to play by the same rules as the rest of us.
You can spew forth all you want about philosophy however you are clearly one who forgets to test your philosophy against the rigors of Objective Reality. Almost all of philosophy doesn't map to Objective Reality at all and is thus simply mind poo. It's important to be able to distinguish when that is the case.
Nature prevents any "being" or "entity" from NOT being bound by the Laws of Nature. So it's not an "assumption" it's a necessary requirement of Objective Reality that all play by the same rules. Actually there simply isn't an alternative. If you think there is then jump to the moon to prove it!
>If you or science can prove that god/gods do not exist, there are book publishing deals waiting to make you quite rich. Very smart people have thought about this for a long time. There is no way to prove it.
Yes, there is a way to prove it. It's called science which rules things in and rules things out. Gods are ruled out. Why do you think they tortured all those heretic scientists all those centuries? They didn't want the actual truth about objective reality getting out.
Yes, and those very smart people have been wrong!
I am working on a book. There already are books that describe proofs, very good ones, that gods can't exist. They were also written by very smart people - much smarter in fact since they distinguish objective reality from fantasy in thought. It's just that you can't get it.
Yes, by deduction we do know there is more than the observable universe. I wasn't talking about the observable universe I was talking about the ENTIRE universe!
There is no evidence of a multiverse nor of other universes. It's mind poo thinking as they are just theories without evidence and although that's better than mythical beliefs about non-existent immaterial gods it's not that much better. (Theorists have a tough time with 'show it to me').
>An entity which most religious believers would accept as god might exist in the multiverse, we don't know.
Yes we do know. We know by deduction from the current well known and well tested laws of nature. Objective Reality permits no gods within or without of our universe.
It's just you that want a god. Why do you want a god? To save you from your personal death? If so you are pathetic. Live your life NOW! It's all you get.
>People have come back from the dead from both heart and brain death. You have to draw the death line surprisingly far out to make sure that no one comes back from it.
No one has come back from cellular death nor brain death. Sure some have come back from a stopped heart but that's not really heart death from which no one has ever recovered.
You seem like a nice person but you've got a lot to learn about science and objective reality. I suggest that you ditch your bible and pick up ten or fifty books and classes on critical thinking and do some learning and most importantly some belief deprogramming! Learn to separate the mind poo that your brain is having you think and type from the real good stuff, actual critical thinking that reflects objective reality to a very high degree. Also keep in mind that the vast majority of ideas about the nature of objective reality have been proven WRONG!
I missed nothing. This has nothing to do with philosophy. It has to do with simple facts of nature. Proven facts of nature. Proven laws of nature. It is these laws that inform us about the rest.
Any higher being wouldn't be able to interfere in our universe since the laws of nature in our universe would prevent that. Can't violate c. Sorry.
Also since our universe is defined as all that is it would include any higher beings within it!
You can postulate all you want about some mythical higher beings. They will always be just that, mythical and not so higher being since they exist only within your limited brain.
It matters not whether or not you agree or disagree with me and in fact my opinion and clarity or lack of clarity in how I explain things all matters not for Objective Reality is the way it is and isn't the way it isn't. Objective Reality is the final judge. Get out into Nature and TEST IT against your silly theories. When you have actual evidence then come and say hey look this evidence and this falsifiable theory demonstrate X. Until then you're just spewing mind poo whether that mind poo is bad science or good (yet evil and vile) religion.
Clearly our universe is NOT a simulation. Given the known laws of physics it's not possible for it to be a simulation. Quantum Physics prevents it. I know that's not very easy to get but it's the case.
Saying that you are in a simulation is no different than saying that there is a mythical higher being called god, for would not those running the simulation be gods?
Again you can postulate anything you want. However, Objective Reality in all her harshness rules in the end as the final judge of what is real and what is not real. And it does so without any consciousness nor intelligence.
It's only silly science fiction fans and religious nuts who believe that we are living in a simulation or a god based reality.
Sure I enjoy science fiction and fantasy and entertainment as the next person does, but I clearly delineate the two. Objective Reality is what is real and that's where I live.
>Not one of them comes close to including the scope of omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, or any other concept of God.
In fact many laws of science (really nature) prove that no being - no nothing - can be or could ever be omniscient, omnipotent or omnipresent. The very fact that there is a speed limit, c, in the universe proves this beyond any shadow of any doubts.
Certainly of knowledge that there is no afterlife and that the mythical soul doesn't exist come from learning about Nature, Laws of Nature, biology, chemistry, physics, information science, and much more. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
Go to a farm and ask the farmer to kill a chicken in front of you for you to take home. Take it home and put it into a pot. Now let it sit there for three days and you'll see why Jesus couldn't have resurrected. It's called testable science that you can do yourself.
Fill a bath tub with water after removing everything else from the tub. Step into it when the water is at least a few inches deep. No one will ever be able to walk on the surface of that water! Unless it's ice but that's cheating now isn't it. Proof that Jesus didn't and couldn't have walked on water proven ever single time you step into or out of your bath or a swimming pool or a lake or a river or an ocean!
Only stupid fools believe in magical super beings - since the evidence proves that magical super beings are just that, mythical fantasies (and seriously dangerous myths in the hands of unethical nut jobs who kill real actual living people in the name of their nonexistent and immaterial gods).
>You even express anger at a God that you claim to be certain doesn't exist. Somewhere, a psychotherapist is salivating at the idea of getting you on the couch.
As for any anger about god that is directed at what does actually exist, the vile and evil (as in doing harm) people who perpetuate the notion of a god existing. It's people who believe or have faith in god that are the ones out there doing a great deal of harm in their mythical savior's name. I'm angry at them (including those in my own family). I have no need of any psychotherapist for this health anger. Yes, healthy anger for it is yet another defense against the mind destroyers like yourself who promote ignorance over knowledge and dogmatic stupidity over observation.
Believe your faith based nonsense as you wish. I prefer objective reality as it is not as I want it to be.
>Uh, you do realize that just stating those things don't constitute proof, right? You'll find that the New Testament documents those things happening. You can say it's all lies. But it's silly to say you've proven it by never having seen those things happen.
No it's not silly at all since it's the application of what we do know about how the world/universe works, given our even basic levels of science.
For example, bodies rot. Three days rot (even considering primitive embalming type processes even if they were applied) would have made a mess of the man named Jesus's (if he existed at all) body. A putrid stinky rotting mess. Bugs. Bacteria gone wild and partying like there is no tomorrow! Ick.
Dead bodies rot and decay. Fact of life. Get used to it. No story book fairy tale (the bible) will ever be able to override these facts of life with incantations of meaningless words hoping that you'll fall for their con job.
Mother Nature (not that she exists as a living being) trumps and destroys your myths.
Science regularly relies up on proving the negative by ruling it out with the well known and well tested laws of mother nature. Objective Reality is a bitch. Get used to it.
>There is no way to prove god exists or doesn't. It's just not a testable hypothesis.
You are deeply mistaken. You can use the existing and well tested laws of science and mother nature to prove without any doubts that no gods could even possibly exist - inside or outside of our universe!
*(There is no outside of the universe thus it's all the same).
By death I mean the point of no return given the standards of modern medicine. Since Jesus was supposedly saved by magical means (fairy tales) it's sort of moot anyhow since faith based nut jobs ignore science anyhow just like you are doing.
Science proves what can be and it also proves what can't be.
You can't magically get out more energy than you put in.
You can't rise from the dead after organ, brain and cell death. Not in objective reality.
Only in fantasies and stories can people rise from the dead. It's when you take those stories and believe they are true based upon faith that you become delusional and disconnected from objective reality.
The only afterlife we have is if anyone we know remembers us after we have died and the bugs get to eat our corpses. Yum. Enjoy your life while you have it.
I don't see the irony you speak of, please clarify if you can. Thanks.
We will never find any gods by pushing the bounds of our understanding of objective reality since the results we have so far are conclusive that no such mythical beings are possible in objective reality. Nature is the final judge not us. She has shown her cards. All further science will do is confirm this till the end of the human race.
Science of course is worthwhile for us to pursue as it can improve our lives and might one day save us as a species to live another day.
Faith has no place in science. Of course I mean to say that the vile belief stricken delusional faith of mythical gods and associated dogma have no place in science or even modern life.
Faith is stupid because it makes people stupid. They believe BY FAITH that Jesus rose from the dead after his body was brain dead, organ dead and many of his organ systems had already begun to decay. There were no emergency paramedics or emergency room doctors to zap his heart back alive within the limited few minutes of his "heart stopping" to revive him. Yet they believe that after three days of rotting he magically came back to life. It's stupid. Anyone with any knowledge of hunting or biology or farming or life can easily see that the story of Jesus coming back to life is just that, a bed time story for kids that is no different than the story of Santa Claus. That is why faith is stupid. It blinds you from using your actual brain to separate the mind poo thoughts like jesus from those thoughts of real life that could actually make a difference in your life.
I have no faith in science. If I did I'd make a bad scientist!
Any "higher being" as you put it would be required to play by some rules of some sort of physics otherwise said being could not exist. Oh wait, the religious nut jobs do in fact claim he (god) is immaterial and thus doesn't exist! They actually do say that their god doesn't exist! Kinda funny when you think about their round about logic.
There is no outside of the universe for the universe includes all that exists! Doh!
Yes, you can prove that you are NOT living in a simulation now. Think about it and test your thinking against that harshest of mistresses, Objective Reality for Mother Nature always is the final judge and more often than not overrules our pathetic ability to think.
It's so easy to believe rather than think. That is the major problem that people have, the inability to distinguish when they are believing something as opposed to when they are actually thinking rationally beyond belief and that those thoughts have any correlation to objective reality in any way.
It's not enough for your thoughts to be cogent, they must be cogent and connected to the actual objective reality that exists us into being.
I'm glad that you lived to tell us what you didn't experience.
As one bio-electro-chemical-information-processing-system to another, make it a great life!
It's called applying critical thinking to actually think it through.
Any dead body that has passed cell death, brain death and organ death can't rise from the dead as processes have stopped and won't start again, brain death has occured and won't start again, organ death has occured and they won't start again, and cell death has occurred and all your trillions of cells won't ever start again. They turn to goo and information is lost forever.
It's only your hope that there is a god that keeps your pathetic attempts to claim there is one alive.
Science crushes the mythologies and the very notion of a god in so many ways that it's not possible for any gods to exist. Not even those elected gods.
Sorry to be the one telling you the harsh news about existence. Get used to it for it's all we got and no delusional fantasies will save you. You might be happier with reality. Check it out sometime.
Of course you can prove that god doesn't exist.
Dead bodies don't rise from the dead.
People can't walk on top of water without cheating.
No one can ascend to the heavens without cheating by using technology.
Omniscience isn't possible given the speed of "c".
The same goes for omnipresence and omnipotence.
Omnipotence also violates the second law of thermodynamics.
The list goes on and on and on. So many scientific theories and laws of mother nature provide direct testable evidence that no gods are possible in objective reality.
It doesn't even take accurate scientific theories to prove god doesn't exist. Newton's Laws work just fine... Einstein just puts the nail in gods coffin.
Remember valid scientific theories tell you as much about what is possible as they tell you about what is NOT possible.
Newton proves that it's not possible for a human being to jump from the Earth to the Moon without the aid of technology.
Face it, god is a belief stricken faith based delusional myth that has gripped and stolen the lives of a huge portion of humanity.
It's easy to see what happens after death: we rot and are eaten by bugs and scavengers or we are consumed by fire on Earth. No magical ride to the pearly gates. No utopia awaits. Not even blackness for once your bio-electro-chemical brain functions and cell functions cease you're dead and can no longer perceive nada. No magical "soul" that leaves your body... just a cessation of the biological processes that provide you with the illusion that you are you. In fact you are many billions of cooperating cells that simply stop.
Delusional fantasies of an afterlife for each of us after our deaths only provide comfort against the harsh realities of nature.
Live your life to the fullest. Live your life minimizing the harm you do to others - preferably no harm to others. Don't support others who would harm others.
What is your purpose in life? Other than survival life has whatever purpose and meaning that you choose for it, even if it's a delusional fantasy. It's just better - in my humble opinion - to live one's life closer to objective reality than living it with delusional belief stricken delusions that stifle one's thinking requiring one to suspend critical thinking just because on hopes that the universe will spare each of us our own personal universal cold death.
Peace.
Oh, and if you want to have your "faith" - aka stupidity - in magic then fine be stupid and believe all you want in magical invisible non-existent mythological super beings all you want, just don't make anyone else join your death cult.
Remember to kill god if you see him for he has a large list of crimes against humanity stacked up.
Awesome! Now we can have our frozen heads conquering the galaxy...
Just when you thought you were dead they bring you back to life!
So now not only do you have to arrange your life so that you live the longest you possibly can so that you don't miss that latest star trek or star wars or battlestar galactica or the hulk or the spiderman or ultraviolet or ... (fill in the blank) ... but you've got to make sure that when you're die you (1) either get frozen so you can live again as a clone or (2) have your body and all dna destroyed so that you can't enjoy the eternity of nothingness without being disturbed by being brought back to life on some hell planet that some mad scientist or mad bureaucrat's idea of who should be awoken on the newest hellish exo-planet with exotic aliens that love human flesh...
This of course assumes that clones will have some memory of their prior owners past life. Well ok it assumes a lot more...
So who wants to sign up to have their frozen corpse's travel to and populate exo-planets with clones just to have them eaten by hellish exotic aliens?
I'm in. Any REAL NON belief-stricken-faith-based-delusional chance for life beyond the great nothing with awaits us all. Oh, a clone wouldn't be me so it's not a way out of death after all... sigh...
Oh wait, it's likely that the stuff of life came to Earth from space thus are we are alien life living on an exo-planet with hellish conditions ... ?
I noticed this with my old V190 Motorola cell phone and recently with the iPhone. They "alert" me to an incoming call before the phone rings. I became known as a psychic at work since I'd reach for my phone to answer it before it rang!!! ;--)
It seems to have something to do with shielding during the call set up.
The US Military is itself seen by many as a State Based Terrorist Tool that uses overwhelming military power to crush it's enemies and inflict countless murderous deaths against innocent bystanders, euphemistically called "collateral damage".
It's amazing that one State Based Terrorist Organization will be so afraid of others.
Look in the mirror and see the horror that has been inflicted around the world by the USA.
I don't support Terrorism whether it's by individuals or by individuals within groups or sponsored by State Based Organizations with an agenda. It's all the same: death and murder.
As Einstein said, we need to think differently at a new level to solve the problems created at the current level of thinking. Blowing people up might stop them but others get in line and the cycle repeats itself and expands...
How to stop it? What can you do to stop it? Revoke your governments power to wage war? What else?
The best system that I've seen that provides a unified name spaces, database, and file system is the very notorious Reiser File System. You can find out more at: http://web.archive.org/web/20071023172417/www.namesys.com/.
What I like about it is the ability to search, find things, and the way that it can handle tiny chunks of data in their own tiny files as well as massive data files and directories with massive amounts of data. Who needs a database when one has a system like ReiserFS?
Bringing the advanced file system name space and search capabilities upwards into applications and presenting it to the user ensures that one uniform model is presented from the ground up through all layers of the illusion to the user.
Maybe the current implementation has problems but it can be improved...
While I'm not using the actual implementation in my system to end all systems I'm making use of a number of the key ideas in the ReiserFS system. Read the papers on the archived web site linked above.