Downloading copyrighted material (without having the right to do so) is illegal atleast in Sweden and Finland since some years ago, and since Germany is in EU too and they're trying to get info on the downloaders aswell I suspect it's the same thing there.
Previously only downloading computer software (including games of course too) was illegal. I think that changed in many EU countries some years ago, and now also downloading music and movies and other copyrighted content is illegal. That would obviously include listening aka downloading from YouTube too.
Why do pro-piracy people always has to bring this "IT'S NOT STEALING, IT'S COPYING!!!" in to everything.
I wasn't talking about stealing, I was talking about offering demo or trial before you buy the full version. And the point was that you dont have demos in restaurants either, you only get to test it by purchasing.
You cant really decide in restaurants either tho. They might offer to take some off from the price or offer you a coupon to get you to come again, but it's still their decision. If you complained to the game developer, they could do the same exact thing. Yeah, most probably wont, but it's still the same possibility.
If the restaurant, like game developers, decide not to give you a replacement or take some price off, you still have to pay for it.
You keep bringing this same thing in to every discussion, but are you saying that people should be allowed to download those songs *because* only 1 album sale is lost? So that's your rationalizing for piracy?
The other thing that is bringing down sales is the many streaming services, both free-with-ads and premium subscription. *Lots* of people in Europe use Spotify. It's not only piracy that is bringing down album sales.
Never the less, if you dont want to buy the album, use legit streaming services or get the songs (or software, games and so on) in some other legit way approved by the maker, why do you think you should be obligated to get them? Even more so if you want to get them for free. If you dont approve with the price, you just dont get it then. Live with it and dont go stealing it and try to rationalize it.
Exactly so. For another example, if I'm going out to eat in a restaurant, I cant first order the food and drinks and only after that decide if it was good enough to be paid. Just imagine how many people would say it was bad if with that reasoning they could walk away from the restaurant without paying for the food.
He didn't even say so, actually a little bit against that. While every pirated copy isn't a lost sale, it's also true that *some* pirated copies are lost sales.
Besides, why do you think you should be allowed to use the software or game if you haven't paid the author what he is asking for it?
The game costs $1.99. That's less than buying a cup of coffee that will only last max 5 mins. I think the game offers a bit more entertainment than that.
Besides you dont really play games like that on phones, you play a few mins when you're waiting for something or sitting in a bus and so on.
Since when slashdotters spend money on their girlfriends? Girls pay to *be with a/. guy*. On top of that slashdotter's girlfriends also cook delicious food, invite their cute girl friends to have group sex on friday night (or any night you want) and buy new computers to them. You've got all of this wrong!
As more customers complain about not being able to access certain sites. Business will be lost, and gained and eventually it will eventually stabilize.
There we're 3 different links to 3 different ISP's about the previous cases, over IPv4. If that didn't work out like you describe, it's not going to work for IPv6 because no one is still using it.
It's great HTC started releasing Android phones too, their Windows Mobile phones have been really nice (with their own tweaks and UI redesign to make it more useful)
Anyone know what kind of custom stuff they're build for Android?
TPB has always said they will never ever remove any torrent for whatever reason, so thats why they dont remove torrents that clearly break copyrights. But as they're clearly removing certain torrents, the courts said they should be able to remove copyrighted torrents aswell.
Actually, if you keep reading even further, it says they have to block users from accessing copyrighted content, like I said in the original comment: "In addition to removing the torrents the defendants have to block Dutch users from accessing certain parts of the site (across all their domains) where users can download copyrighted files."
I am from Australia, does that mean the US are going to extradite me for driving on the wrong side of the road?
Obviously not. But when you're committing a crime (or copyright infringement and so on) against persons or companies in other country, then you could be extradited.
And more into that, they remove links to copyrighted content when the owners send notice. And Google is far off from providing service that is 99% made for aiding their users with copyright infringement, like The Pirate Bay clearly is.
It doesn't really matter if you get technical about it. As long as your intention clearly is to either do copyright infringement or aid in copyright infringement, no technical excuse will help you.
A ground-breaking ruling against an Australian man accused of pirating software, games and music worth over $50 million should have all pirates in the world scared. Hew Raymond Griffiths who went by the online name BanDiDo, has never been to the United States but will be tried in a U.S. court after the U.S. won the battle to extradite him.
I'm not sure about Netherlands in particular, but atleast in other EU countries people have got sued for aiding copyright infringement, lost and needed to pay up (while copyright is part of civil law in those countries too)
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Downloading copyrighted material (without having the right to do so) is illegal atleast in Sweden and Finland since some years ago, and since Germany is in EU too and they're trying to get info on the downloaders aswell I suspect it's the same thing there.
Previously only downloading computer software (including games of course too) was illegal. I think that changed in many EU countries some years ago, and now also downloading music and movies and other copyrighted content is illegal. That would obviously include listening aka downloading from YouTube too.
Why do pro-piracy people always has to bring this "IT'S NOT STEALING, IT'S COPYING!!!" in to everything.
I wasn't talking about stealing, I was talking about offering demo or trial before you buy the full version. And the point was that you dont have demos in restaurants either, you only get to test it by purchasing.
You cant really decide in restaurants either tho. They might offer to take some off from the price or offer you a coupon to get you to come again, but it's still their decision. If you complained to the game developer, they could do the same exact thing. Yeah, most probably wont, but it's still the same possibility.
If the restaurant, like game developers, decide not to give you a replacement or take some price off, you still have to pay for it.
You keep bringing this same thing in to every discussion, but are you saying that people should be allowed to download those songs *because* only 1 album sale is lost? So that's your rationalizing for piracy?
The other thing that is bringing down sales is the many streaming services, both free-with-ads and premium subscription. *Lots* of people in Europe use Spotify. It's not only piracy that is bringing down album sales.
Never the less, if you dont want to buy the album, use legit streaming services or get the songs (or software, games and so on) in some other legit way approved by the maker, why do you think you should be obligated to get them? Even more so if you want to get them for free. If you dont approve with the price, you just dont get it then. Live with it and dont go stealing it and try to rationalize it.
Exactly so. For another example, if I'm going out to eat in a restaurant, I cant first order the food and drinks and only after that decide if it was good enough to be paid. Just imagine how many people would say it was bad if with that reasoning they could walk away from the restaurant without paying for the food.
He didn't even say so, actually a little bit against that. While every pirated copy isn't a lost sale, it's also true that *some* pirated copies are lost sales.
Besides, why do you think you should be allowed to use the software or game if you haven't paid the author what he is asking for it?
The game costs $1.99. That's less than buying a cup of coffee that will only last max 5 mins. I think the game offers a bit more entertainment than that.
Besides you dont really play games like that on phones, you play a few mins when you're waiting for something or sitting in a bus and so on.
Since when slashdotters spend money on their girlfriends? Girls pay to *be with a /. guy*. On top of that slashdotter's girlfriends also cook delicious food, invite their cute girl friends to have group sex on friday night (or any night you want) and buy new computers to them. You've got all of this wrong!
As more customers complain about not being able to access certain sites. Business will be lost, and gained and eventually it will eventually stabilize.
There we're 3 different links to 3 different ISP's about the previous cases, over IPv4. If that didn't work out like you describe, it's not going to work for IPv6 because no one is still using it.
Shutting down your computers improve your security, but you'll also get a girlfriend.
Since when is 10 Mbit considered fast? That's pretty minimum.
Leave your computer unprotected somewhere where you cant see it and someone can use it.
Encryption doesn't really have anything to with that and anyone not stupid should understand that.
It's great HTC started releasing Android phones too, their Windows Mobile phones have been really nice (with their own tweaks and UI redesign to make it more useful)
Anyone know what kind of custom stuff they're build for Android?
And your point is?
TPB has always said they will never ever remove any torrent for whatever reason, so thats why they dont remove torrents that clearly break copyrights. But as they're clearly removing certain torrents, the courts said they should be able to remove copyrighted torrents aswell.
Actually, if you keep reading even further, it says they have to block users from accessing copyrighted content, like I said in the original comment: "In addition to removing the torrents the defendants have to block Dutch users from accessing certain parts of the site (across all their domains) where users can download copyrighted files."
wHAT THE fuck IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
dON'T YOU KNOW ITS "iNTERNATIONAL cAPS lOCK dAY"?
In that case you're quite a failure, since you're using shift, not caps-lock.
I am from Australia, does that mean the US are going to extradite me for driving on the wrong side of the road?
Obviously not. But when you're committing a crime (or copyright infringement and so on) against persons or companies in other country, then you could be extradited.
And more into that, they remove links to copyrighted content when the owners send notice. And Google is far off from providing service that is 99% made for aiding their users with copyright infringement, like The Pirate Bay clearly is.
It doesn't really matter if you get technical about it. As long as your intention clearly is to either do copyright infringement or aid in copyright infringement, no technical excuse will help you.
This is why The Pirate Bay lost in courts.
Interestingly, russians cant even write to /. as slashdot's UTF-8 fails.
Well, this guy was extradited from Australia to USA for copyright infringement
Australian pirate to be extradited to the United States
A ground-breaking ruling against an Australian man accused of pirating software, games and music worth over $50 million should have all pirates in the world scared. Hew Raymond Griffiths who went by the online name BanDiDo, has never been to the United States but will be tried in a U.S. court after the U.S. won the battle to extradite him.
I'm not sure about Netherlands in particular, but atleast in other EU countries people have got sued for aiding copyright infringement, lost and needed to pay up (while copyright is part of civil law in those countries too)
That would be Aiding Copyright Infringement (like you get sued for aiding with other crimes), and it's pretty clear what The Pirate Bay is for.
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