The problem isn't the people that OD, it's the people that become long-term addicts. Cause they can be anyone -- your neighbor, your kid's teacher, some guy driving behind you. You create an entire underclass of people that are continually addicted to pain pills, no different than those addicted to meth, who will do anything for their next fix. These people are far more dangerous than those that just OD and die.
Getting all these poor people addicted to your high-potency opioids is SURELY going to make their lives better! Oh, and fatten your wallet. The latter being the most important part.
Let's also get rid of GPSs, radios, smoking, DVD players, and passengers, because they too are a distraction. And while we're at it, let's get rid of speedometers and speed limits, cause every time someone has to look down to ensure they're doing the speed limit they obviously do not have their eyes on the road.
Pish... everyone knows Steve did everything and Woz was just there to reel in the hippy nerds? Geez, haven't you learned anything from Apple's revisionist history?
if Apple will sue the USPS for copyright infringement? Cause we all know Steve created the first postage stamp and I'm sure Apple has a patent for it somewhere.
Bitch is worth $20+ billion. $158 million is what, like a half a day's pay? It's chump change for a Walton. Want to be a real humanitarian? Spend some of those billions ensuring your workers earn a living wage so their kids don't have to live in poverty while they're not attending one of your fancy expensive charter schools.
Well I'm not going to continue to argue with you since you're clearly insistent on being obstinate.
When the can of Heinz beans goes from being made in America to being made in Mexico and is called Ole Beans, guess what? It's still Heinz beans. The fact they're called something else and made somewhere else doesn't mean the technology, talent, patents, recipe, etc. of the Heinz product ceases to exist simply because it's made somewhere else. The same is true of IBM PCs. They live on in the form of Lenovo. I don't know why that's so difficult for you to understand. But whatever, no point in continuing to argue about it. Believe whatever you makes you happy.
And you never answered my question in regard to the iPod hypothetical. Because according to you, the iPods that are made by Foxconn (using Apple-designed tech) in Foxconn factories are Apple products because they say Apple, but would be Foxconn products if they said Foxconn, despite the devices being exactly the same. That of course makes no sense. If Foxconn bought the division from Apple, and continued to use Apple's designs, and made them the same way they used to make them but called them Foxconn iPods, they'd still be exactly the same device, just owned by someone else with a different name on them. So again, it makes no sense, as the technology behind the product, that's the core of the product, is still Apple tech. It's no different from Lenovo. They make PCs based upon the technology, patents, and architecture they bought from IBM. There is no difference in the product. The only difference is who owns the division.
It's all irrelevant anyway, because even if you exclude IBM, Schiller is still wrong.
But you realize a label is just a label, and is otherwise meaningless, right? Most Apple products are made by Foxconn, in Foxconn factories, by Foxconn workers, using mostly Foxconn parts and then an Apple label is slapped on it and shipped to the US. Not really much different than having your products made by Lenovo, in Lenovo factories, by Lenovo workers. The only difference is the label. Fun fact, Lenovo did indeed keep the IBM label for 3 years after buying the division. So the only difference between those products made by the IBM division of Lenovo and the ones made today by the IBM division of Lenovo is the label. Which doesn't in any way negate the pedigree of the product.
If Apple sold their iPod division to Foxconn, who continued to make and sell iPods, would it be any different if they had an Apple label or Foxconn label on them if they were otherwise made with the exact same parts at the exact same factory by the exact same workers? In case you're struggling for the answer, it's "no".
You're not making any arguments, therefore there is nothing to respond to. Nothing you've said is cogent in any way. You're defending a guy who clearly made an inaccurate statement and refuse to acknowledge he was dead wrong. If you cannot see the truth, then what's to discuss? You're living in a fantasy land.
Doesn't matter what they're called. What matters is where they come from. The division that made IBM-PCs, once owned by IBM still exists and still makes PCs. Just because it's owned by and the products are branded Lenovo is irrelevant. What part of that can't you understand? So while IBM themselves do not make PCs anymore (but they certainly still make computers) the part of IBM that did make PCs is still making them. Got it?
Mind you they didn't sell the rights, they sold the division. So it wasn't a matter of Lenovo just buying the rights to put the IBM name to put on their own products, they bought the division of IBM that made IBM-PCs and continues to make those PCs even though they now put their name on them. When you buy a Lenovo Thinkpad it's made by the same division that used to make IBM Thinkpads -- the same division that's been making PCs since 1981.
Because HP didn't file a trademark for the term? Really, are you that stupid? Oh, you're an iSheeple, of course you are.
And if you had an ounce of intelligence you'd stop defending what was clearly an incorrect statement made by a PR person from a company infamous for making incorrect statements regarding their accomplishments.
Blah blah blah I'm an iPhanboi blah blah blah this is what Schiller really meant but didn't in any way shape or form actually say blah blah blah Apple is wonderful blah blah blah you're a troll blah blah blah...
You do realize you now sound like the adults on Charlie Brown, right? Whomp whomp... whomp whomp whomp whomp...
He claims it's all about evolving and innovation. IBM evolved and innovated when they sold off their floundering PC division to a company that was prepared to give it the attention that IBM wasn't. And now it's the #1 maker of PCs. I'd say that's pretty damned impressive and smart. Apple isn't the only company that knows how to evolve and stay competitive in an ever-changing technological world, despite what Schiller would like people to think. So he was wrong on that point too.
I don't recall him saying anything about it having to be branded in any particular way -- he simply said "made computers". IBM still exists and makes computers. Their division that makes PCs still exists and is thriving. What they're called is irrelevant. Ergo, Schiller is wrong.
Well, no, I never expect anything truthful or accurate from anyone at Apple. They're simply not capable of it.
And I did read his quote, and I certainly do not need your inaccurate transcription. He very clearly said that Apple was the only company from the late 70s/early 80s still making computers. He is wrong. HP, IBM, Sony, Dell, and Acer were all very active in computer manufacturer during that time period and are still active today in one form or another. HP's first IBM-PC compatible clone may not have come to market till 1995, but they were making "personal computers' since the early 70s, before Apple even existed.
So if what he meant to say is "we are the only US maker of personal computers that are either Macs or IBM-PC compatible machines that are still around since 1980-ish" he STILL technically wouldn't be right, because IBM's PC division, started roughly the same time the Mac was in development, lives on today via Lenovo, and Dell was founded shortly after the Mac's release. So even when his statement is highly refined and constricted he's still wrong. When his words are taken at face value he's not just wrong, but grossly inaccurate.
I don't think it's too much to ask for people who make speeches for a living actually fact-check their statements to ensure they're not just making shit up or pulling it out of their asses. But I know, I ask too much.
“Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they’re all gone,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of worldwide marketing, in an interview on Apple’s Cupertino campus Thursday. “We’re the only one left. We’re still doing it, and growing faster than the rest of the PC industry because of that willingness to reinvent ourselves over and over.”
Fact is they're not gone. As has been pointed out a number of companies that made computers either during the conception or debut of the Mac are indeed still here, like HP, Dell, Acer, IBM, and Sony (tho they did take a brief hiatus at one point). They're not the only one left, and I have no idea what he thinks they're still doing. And while they may be seeing some growth in an otherwise stagnant PC market, their marketshare is what, less than 10%? Whoopee. Believe it or not there are more machines running Windows 8 than there are MacOS. Let that sink in for a few minutes.
And now that I've sullied myself by reading MacWorld, I need a shower.
1979, and that date is relevant only upon him meaning the date they started working on it versus the date it was released. The quote is unclear. The IBM-PC started development at roughly the same time, as did Acer's development of the Micro-Professor MPF-I. He doesn't specifically say "personal computers", so if you want to be a stickler, both HP and IBM had "computers" long before Apple even existed, let alone started development of the Mac.
Dell (1984), IBM (1981, now owned by Lenovo), Gateway (1985, now owned by Acer), and Acer (1981).
But go on, tell us more about how you are the only ones left from that time making personal computers. And how you created the GUI. And the portable music player. And the smartphone. And the tablet computer. Oh yes, tell us more...
Personally I just cross the streams, align my Heisenberg compensators, and make sure my flux capacitor is online and I can tunnel into any machine using a combination of TTFN, IDK, LOL, and h(u)sh. Pretty simple.
But, y'know, if you want to be all lazy and shit you can just use Gbridge.
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The problem isn't the people that OD, it's the people that become long-term addicts. Cause they can be anyone -- your neighbor, your kid's teacher, some guy driving behind you. You create an entire underclass of people that are continually addicted to pain pills, no different than those addicted to meth, who will do anything for their next fix. These people are far more dangerous than those that just OD and die.
Getting all these poor people addicted to your high-potency opioids is SURELY going to make their lives better! Oh, and fatten your wallet. The latter being the most important part.
Let's also get rid of GPSs, radios, smoking, DVD players, and passengers, because they too are a distraction. And while we're at it, let's get rid of speedometers and speed limits, cause every time someone has to look down to ensure they're doing the speed limit they obviously do not have their eyes on the road.
Pish... everyone knows Steve did everything and Woz was just there to reel in the hippy nerds? Geez, haven't you learned anything from Apple's revisionist history?
if Apple will sue the USPS for copyright infringement? Cause we all know Steve created the first postage stamp and I'm sure Apple has a patent for it somewhere.
Bitch is worth $20+ billion. $158 million is what, like a half a day's pay? It's chump change for a Walton. Want to be a real humanitarian? Spend some of those billions ensuring your workers earn a living wage so their kids don't have to live in poverty while they're not attending one of your fancy expensive charter schools.
Is the moon kosher???
Well I'm not going to continue to argue with you since you're clearly insistent on being obstinate.
When the can of Heinz beans goes from being made in America to being made in Mexico and is called Ole Beans, guess what? It's still Heinz beans. The fact they're called something else and made somewhere else doesn't mean the technology, talent, patents, recipe, etc. of the Heinz product ceases to exist simply because it's made somewhere else. The same is true of IBM PCs. They live on in the form of Lenovo. I don't know why that's so difficult for you to understand. But whatever, no point in continuing to argue about it. Believe whatever you makes you happy.
And you never answered my question in regard to the iPod hypothetical. Because according to you, the iPods that are made by Foxconn (using Apple-designed tech) in Foxconn factories are Apple products because they say Apple, but would be Foxconn products if they said Foxconn, despite the devices being exactly the same. That of course makes no sense. If Foxconn bought the division from Apple, and continued to use Apple's designs, and made them the same way they used to make them but called them Foxconn iPods, they'd still be exactly the same device, just owned by someone else with a different name on them. So again, it makes no sense, as the technology behind the product, that's the core of the product, is still Apple tech. It's no different from Lenovo. They make PCs based upon the technology, patents, and architecture they bought from IBM. There is no difference in the product. The only difference is who owns the division.
It's all irrelevant anyway, because even if you exclude IBM, Schiller is still wrong.
But you realize a label is just a label, and is otherwise meaningless, right? Most Apple products are made by Foxconn, in Foxconn factories, by Foxconn workers, using mostly Foxconn parts and then an Apple label is slapped on it and shipped to the US. Not really much different than having your products made by Lenovo, in Lenovo factories, by Lenovo workers. The only difference is the label. Fun fact, Lenovo did indeed keep the IBM label for 3 years after buying the division. So the only difference between those products made by the IBM division of Lenovo and the ones made today by the IBM division of Lenovo is the label. Which doesn't in any way negate the pedigree of the product.
If Apple sold their iPod division to Foxconn, who continued to make and sell iPods, would it be any different if they had an Apple label or Foxconn label on them if they were otherwise made with the exact same parts at the exact same factory by the exact same workers? In case you're struggling for the answer, it's "no".
You're not making any arguments, therefore there is nothing to respond to. Nothing you've said is cogent in any way. You're defending a guy who clearly made an inaccurate statement and refuse to acknowledge he was dead wrong. If you cannot see the truth, then what's to discuss? You're living in a fantasy land.
Because it's impossible to have a discussion with an idiot, so I'm not even bothering to try.
And where do you think Apple products are made? Hint, they're not made in the US anymore. They're actually not even made by Apple at all. So...
Doesn't matter what they're called. What matters is where they come from. The division that made IBM-PCs, once owned by IBM still exists and still makes PCs. Just because it's owned by and the products are branded Lenovo is irrelevant. What part of that can't you understand? So while IBM themselves do not make PCs anymore (but they certainly still make computers) the part of IBM that did make PCs is still making them. Got it?
Mind you they didn't sell the rights, they sold the division. So it wasn't a matter of Lenovo just buying the rights to put the IBM name to put on their own products, they bought the division of IBM that made IBM-PCs and continues to make those PCs even though they now put their name on them. When you buy a Lenovo Thinkpad it's made by the same division that used to make IBM Thinkpads -- the same division that's been making PCs since 1981.
Because HP didn't file a trademark for the term? Really, are you that stupid? Oh, you're an iSheeple, of course you are.
And if you had an ounce of intelligence you'd stop defending what was clearly an incorrect statement made by a PR person from a company infamous for making incorrect statements regarding their accomplishments.
Blah blah blah I'm an iPhanboi blah blah blah this is what Schiller really meant but didn't in any way shape or form actually say blah blah blah Apple is wonderful blah blah blah you're a troll blah blah blah...
You do realize you now sound like the adults on Charlie Brown, right? Whomp whomp... whomp whomp whomp whomp...
He claims it's all about evolving and innovation. IBM evolved and innovated when they sold off their floundering PC division to a company that was prepared to give it the attention that IBM wasn't. And now it's the #1 maker of PCs. I'd say that's pretty damned impressive and smart. Apple isn't the only company that knows how to evolve and stay competitive in an ever-changing technological world, despite what Schiller would like people to think. So he was wrong on that point too.
I don't recall him saying anything about it having to be branded in any particular way -- he simply said "made computers". IBM still exists and makes computers. Their division that makes PCs still exists and is thriving. What they're called is irrelevant. Ergo, Schiller is wrong.
Well, no, I never expect anything truthful or accurate from anyone at Apple. They're simply not capable of it.
And I did read his quote, and I certainly do not need your inaccurate transcription. He very clearly said that Apple was the only company from the late 70s/early 80s still making computers. He is wrong. HP, IBM, Sony, Dell, and Acer were all very active in computer manufacturer during that time period and are still active today in one form or another. HP's first IBM-PC compatible clone may not have come to market till 1995, but they were making "personal computers' since the early 70s, before Apple even existed.
So if what he meant to say is "we are the only US maker of personal computers that are either Macs or IBM-PC compatible machines that are still around since 1980-ish" he STILL technically wouldn't be right, because IBM's PC division, started roughly the same time the Mac was in development, lives on today via Lenovo, and Dell was founded shortly after the Mac's release. So even when his statement is highly refined and constricted he's still wrong. When his words are taken at face value he's not just wrong, but grossly inaccurate.
I don't think it's too much to ask for people who make speeches for a living actually fact-check their statements to ensure they're not just making shit up or pulling it out of their asses. But I know, I ask too much.
From MacWorld.com:
“Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they’re all gone,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of worldwide marketing, in an interview on Apple’s Cupertino campus Thursday. “We’re the only one left. We’re still doing it, and growing faster than the rest of the PC industry because of that willingness to reinvent ourselves over and over.”
Fact is they're not gone. As has been pointed out a number of companies that made computers either during the conception or debut of the Mac are indeed still here, like HP, Dell, Acer, IBM, and Sony (tho they did take a brief hiatus at one point). They're not the only one left, and I have no idea what he thinks they're still doing. And while they may be seeing some growth in an otherwise stagnant PC market, their marketshare is what, less than 10%? Whoopee. Believe it or not there are more machines running Windows 8 than there are MacOS. Let that sink in for a few minutes.
And now that I've sullied myself by reading MacWorld, I need a shower.
You buy a Lenovo and slap an IBM sticker over the Lenovo logo. You'll never know the difference.
1979, and that date is relevant only upon him meaning the date they started working on it versus the date it was released. The quote is unclear. The IBM-PC started development at roughly the same time, as did Acer's development of the Micro-Professor MPF-I. He doesn't specifically say "personal computers", so if you want to be a stickler, both HP and IBM had "computers" long before Apple even existed, let alone started development of the Mac.
Dell (1984), IBM (1981, now owned by Lenovo), Gateway (1985, now owned by Acer), and Acer (1981).
But go on, tell us more about how you are the only ones left from that time making personal computers. And how you created the GUI. And the portable music player. And the smartphone. And the tablet computer. Oh yes, tell us more...
Gbridge? I've always liked that one. Works well enough.
Personally I just cross the streams, align my Heisenberg compensators, and make sure my flux capacitor is online and I can tunnel into any machine using a combination of TTFN, IDK, LOL, and h(u)sh. Pretty simple.
But, y'know, if you want to be all lazy and shit you can just use Gbridge.
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