Open public debate. There is more variety of reporting and coverage here. Currently the debate was started again a few months ago by the government trying to restart the debate and try to advance the GM industry in the country. The farmers over here are against it because the biggest profit making market for farmers is organic food. So farmers can't risk cross pollination, plus the seed control of GM companies has them lose control of their product. So the farmers objected to the government's GM trials. That was enough to highlight and place it in public debate.
It is really a question of trust. I don't see any evidence damning GM food, nor do I see any evidence for the need of GM food. But the companies who manufacture GM food created large publicity problems for themselves by having ad campaigns and policies that made people not trust them. And food is something where the level of trust from the end user is needed for the product to sell. If you can't trust your food sources you do look around for an alternative quickly.
Basically the question that needs to be answered is the GM qualities put into food, to better the food or to protect the interset of the company producing the seed. I won't trust a food unless the let it seed in the wild. The risk of monopolising the food chain is much worse than the risk of monopolising the software industry. Real or imagined threat it is worth safeguarding against now before it becomes an issue.
I lived in the US for the first 28 years of my life. For the last two years have lived in Europe and your comment about the EU decisions makers not being knowledgable in the computer technical issues as the american judges is just complete bullshite.
The GM food issue isn't just a government issue it is a populace issue. If the government accepts gm food here they will have voters voting them out. The people don't want GM food at this point in time, the governments generally want the GM food business but they don't have the popular support to do it. So the ban on GM food isn't a trade issue as it is a consumer issue. Consumers won't buy food.
The banan fiasco was that, but the US has some silly trade mark games not
That might have to do with the fact that steel tarifs were pushed through with no regard to Europe or Asia. And the EU has decided that if the US will use tarifs against the global rules it pushes than they have to be flexible when it comes to their own local interests also. The US economy is currently bolster by 2/3s income coming from internal consumer spending and debt. Consumer confidence is starting to slip. Foreign markets are important and not pissing off large markets will need to be taken into account. With China developing its own os and chipsets, India moving to open source. The foreign market is shrinking for Microsoft. So it might want to play ball with documentation of its api's. Or it can squeeze more money out of its current customers with subscriber based liscenses (wait I believe that is happening). I don't like governments interferring with trade but this includes governments enforcing global trade laws that limit countries from starting their own products. All and all it is silly but at the end a government needs to take care of its industries and peoples and if it needs to limit an external company than it has a right to do such. Be it the EU telling off microsoft or GWBush and steel tarifs.
Actually 20 countries the Irish passed the referendum which allows the EU expansion to go through. More former eastern block countries are coming in within the coming years.
I remember when Oem's were selling beOS in a dual boot configuration with Microsoft. Microsoft began using its market control to force the Oem's to drop Beos. BeOS is a dead OS now but it was very good at what it did and had potential. But in the market environment it had no chance. This isn't just Linux getting better than Windows, it is about the software that was better than Windows getting a chance. If Microsoft didn't force BeOS out of the ipaq they would have had capital to keep developing. If they would have had device manufacturers working with them instead of scared of losing the works with window logo on their packaging it would have had more hardware support. And this is just one example of the problem with a monopoly affecting innovation. There are more out there. So by all means for me it is not about Linux or Microsoft, it is about a market that allows the best product to surface.
Ok I won't get into the chipset differences. The only test I ever did was running Seti@home on a 400Mhz imac and an AMD 800Mhz at the same time and watching the imac beat the amd machine by more than a 3 to 1 ratio. This was not a good test but convinced me that computationally macs were not to be compared by clock frequency. That aside because this argument can and does go on for ages, the rest of the hardware in the current iMac package for example compared to a PC costs will get you the same. If you are arguing on chip speeds I would prefer a mac. But I am happy with my AMD 350 all SCSI machine and Linux. My wife's Duron is fine but she is eyeing up an Imac for future purpose. I have owned many machines my favorite for the technology available at the same time as ownership was the Mac. But software availability is still a large issue. Hardware and hardware cost I think the life cycle of a Mac will be longer than a pc, with related Mac software vs pc software, but because the platforms are so different the it is hard to directly compare.
Roughly the same hardware. What is your definition of roughly, that it is a processor with some extra stuff? I am not a Mac User my last mac was a 4400. But I have always admired Apple for using cutting edge to high end technology in their machines. Price a machine with the same specs as an iMac on a pc. 17 inch flat screen DVD CD-R fire wire ports, network cards and all. And you have similiar costs.
Well maybe I should point them to the many links in this article. Maybe I should email them specifically about a user called ninthwave who is also talking negatively about the site (sorry the Site) which is also against the agreement. Maybe I should point out that I linked to them (sorry not I but ninthwave) without their written permission. And maybe I should point out the existence of a google cache existing. Because none of us has accepted their agreement to use the Site (big S but not t because it is not The Site just the Site)
Yes but the agreement states that it is for the Site completely
"Introduction
Thank you for visiting the American Airlines web site titled "aa.com" (the "Site"). In return for gaining access to the Site and using it, you agree to be bound by the following Agreement without limitation or qualification, so please carefully review this Agreement before proceeding. If you do not intend to be legally bound by these terms and conditions, do not access and use the Site. "
I think they are trying to have a Data Protection Privacy agreement and hired a software lawyer who confused the whole thing and created a useless piece of dribble drivel.
American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines. You are also denied permission to use any trademarked or copyrighted material to provide such hyperlinks or references, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines. American Airlines bears no responsibility for sites that provide hyperlinks or references to the Site unless those sites are operated by American Airlines.
Sorry probably a waste of ones and zeroes but not as much as that dribble. The agreement says it is to protect your privacy while using the site but if you read the whole agreement they can do what ever they want with third parties, no recourse to tell you and the agreement can be changed at any time anyway. They aren't protecting privacy at all in that document in fact it looks pretty much like they have already sold their customers down the river and added a clause in the agreement that you can not sue them for anything that results from using the site, like the selling of personal information. So the agreement should read We can and will sell your information to third parties. If you use this site you can not sue us. It would be an easier read at that.
There are no packages that would suggest that. You can check the source to see if there are specific changes.
That is the beauty of Open Source you can check the source. Which is again my question can you show me some examples. Of this. I agree it is a possible dark side but the system of Open Source has checks and balances against that. More so then corporate software.
I think that is the point of intiatives like this. By dropping the machines into schools they are educated their children. This means their children are going to be using open systems and will have experience with it. This means that if they need to move out of an Microsoft framework they can and if they need to move into a Microsoft framework. Well I guess that learning curve is only slightly less easy than moving to the MacOS.
If Microsoft would give its software away to schools and not worry about future liscensing within the educational system it would be a difficult fight for linux. But as the Nambia article pointed out Microsoft is worried about revenue from education so it is openning up doors for Linux in education. When the end users are use to an os it will end up in business and government. Windows entered the office from people talking about the ease of use of their home machines and cemented itself in the office with students learning nothing but Office. If Microsoft gives up this market. In 12 years it will be seeing waves of students entering the job forcing learning Open Office as an Office ap and unfamiliar with the undocumented features (read bugs) of Windows, they will begin a push for the OS they are comfortable with in the business world. For in business efficiency is measured with getting work done. Windows is efficient because it is easier to deploy without having to worry about the computer literacy of your employees above a cetain level. But that is my rant. I would prefer to see Sun, Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Linux, FreeBSD and all companies tripping over each other to give free software to schools. The more exposure the youth have to a variety of Operating Systems the better future generations will be able to innovate. But my rant stops. Spelling is out the door and so is sanity but wait that is normal hence I am at slashdot.
If someone can recommend a good installation iso. Why not see if we could get a disk burned and do our disk drops. Like BookCrossing.com leaving an OS for lucky users to find.
Or maybe that could be a feature added to linuxiso.org a register of copies of linux left in public places and register for people who found it to report the finding. Maybe.
No it seemed to me the article said some users had to dual boot. When the intial bugs were worked out only a few are dualing booting. That is how it sounded though I will agree the article was vague on that point and I think you could read it either way. And most of the dual boot users were forced into that position not because of bugs in Linux but Windows documents not using open standards. But agian they were vague on that point of to google to see if I can get some Spanish translated viewpoints of the project.
I think the mod with the lcd added to the cover of the G4 was interesting. Get rid of the lights and focus on the second screen. If you set the video output right you can have useful utilities on that screen. I was just thinking and have to get the specs for the size and panel construction of a G4 but why not put a full size lcd on the side and have a self contained unit like the imac. Though I am a fan of multiple displays with information split on the displays. I think that is my hang over from working in the NOC of an ISP with plasma screens displaying our network status and than monitors with detail of the status. I am just thinking of a G4 server with the 5 inch screen running top or a visual network tool so you don't have can glance at it and see what is up. Modding can be cool, pratical or just a learning experience. Most of the time it is a waste of resources but out of it can come some good ideas. The touch pad mac and so on. But anyway I am rambling so I will leave it there. Positives and negatives in most everything.
I bought the book in late 2000 and the changes are small. The book deals very well with the state of linux programming. The basics of make gcc and the different programming tools available. The changes in the programs since then are easy to pick up. It is more about programming technique, how the tools are organised in Linux and how they generally work. gcc 3.2 hasn't taken light years away from gcc 2.95xxx and I have found references for those differences. This book is now one of my favorite quick references.
This is a starting block and a quick reference for many types of programming but it is not the end all reference.
You are right I am confused by the ibm rebranding of its web server to web sphere and the case that every domino shop I have worked in used IIS instead of the default domino web server. I am still not sure if web sphere is the web end from domino or a different product that you can use with domino but re checked my documentation and you are right me wrong. Mod me silly.
No, not lately. For some reason I can not write correctly in this forum. My problem was I was raised (can be substituted with indoctrinated or educated) with the rough draft, revision, second draft, final copy way of writing. My online writing has never married that offline form even when there is a handy preview button down at the bottom to use.
It could be argued that National Insurance payments which pay for your Health Care would be the same as payments to a private insurance as in the States. But by that argument you give Blue Shield the right to monitor you personally because they pay for your health. Both private and public health systems work on the concept that you pay a set fee in the States your insurance premiums in the UK your national insurance payments. These fees are put into a pool which is invested claims by individuals against are paid of the pool. The argument is less people use the service than pay into it so everyone can be covered. Both systems have flaws and benefits and neither have to do with selling human rights out.
Slashdot Mirror
Open public debate.
There is more variety of reporting and coverage here. Currently the debate was started again a few months ago by the government trying to restart the debate and try to advance the GM industry in the country. The farmers over here are against it because the biggest profit making market for farmers is organic food. So farmers can't risk cross pollination, plus the seed control of GM companies has them lose control of their product. So the farmers objected to the government's GM trials. That was enough to highlight and place it in public debate.
Really I have trouble seeing acceptance of it.
It is really a question of trust.
I don't see any evidence damning GM food, nor do I see any evidence for the need of GM food.
But the companies who manufacture GM food created large publicity problems for themselves by having ad campaigns and policies that made people not trust them. And food is something where the level of trust from the end user is needed for the product to sell. If you can't trust your food sources you do look around for an alternative quickly.
Basically the question that needs to be answered is the GM qualities put into food, to better the food or to protect the interset of the company producing the seed. I won't trust a food unless the let it seed in the wild. The risk of monopolising the food chain is much worse than the risk of monopolising the software industry. Real or imagined threat it is worth safeguarding against now before it becomes an issue.
I lived in the US for the first 28 years of my life. For the last two years have lived in Europe and your comment about the EU decisions makers not being knowledgable in the computer technical issues as the american judges is just complete bullshite.
The GM food issue isn't just a government issue it is a populace issue. If the government accepts gm food here they will have voters voting them out. The people don't want GM food at this point in time, the governments generally want the GM food business but they don't have the popular support to do it. So the ban on GM food isn't a trade issue as it is a consumer issue. Consumers won't buy food.
The banan fiasco was that, but the US has some silly trade mark games not
Check out this
That might have to do with the fact that steel tarifs were pushed through with no regard to Europe or Asia. And the EU has decided that if the US will use tarifs against the global rules it pushes than they have to be flexible when it comes to their own local interests also. The US economy is currently bolster by 2/3s income coming from internal consumer spending and debt. Consumer confidence is starting to slip. Foreign markets are important and not pissing off large markets will need to be taken into account. With China developing its own os and chipsets, India moving to open source. The foreign market is shrinking for Microsoft. So it might want to play ball with documentation of its api's. Or it can squeeze more money out of its current customers with subscriber based liscenses (wait I believe that is happening). I don't like governments interferring with trade but this includes governments enforcing global trade laws that limit countries from starting their own products. All and all it is silly but at the end a government needs to take care of its industries and peoples and if it needs to limit an external company than it has a right to do such. Be it the EU telling off microsoft or GWBush and steel tarifs.
Actually 20 countries the Irish passed the referendum which allows the EU expansion to go through. More former eastern block countries are coming in within the coming years.
I remember when Oem's were selling beOS in a dual boot configuration with Microsoft. Microsoft began using its market control to force the Oem's to drop Beos. BeOS is a dead OS now but it was very good at what it did and had potential. But in the market environment it had no chance. This isn't just Linux getting better than Windows, it is about the software that was better than Windows getting a chance. If Microsoft didn't force BeOS out of the ipaq they would have had capital to keep developing. If they would have had device manufacturers working with them instead of scared of losing the works with window logo on their packaging it would have had more hardware support. And this is just one example of the problem with a monopoly affecting innovation. There are more out there. So by all means for me it is not about Linux or Microsoft, it is about a market that allows the best product to surface.
Ok I won't get into the chipset differences.
The only test I ever did was running Seti@home on a 400Mhz imac and an AMD 800Mhz at the same time and watching the imac beat the amd machine by more than a 3 to 1 ratio. This was not a good test but convinced me that computationally macs were not to be compared by clock frequency. That aside because this argument can and does go on for ages, the rest of the hardware in the current iMac package for example compared to a PC costs will get you the same. If you are arguing on chip speeds I would prefer a mac. But I am happy with my AMD 350 all SCSI machine and Linux. My wife's Duron is fine but she is eyeing up an Imac for future purpose. I have owned many machines my favorite for the technology available at the same time as ownership was the Mac. But software availability is still a large issue. Hardware and hardware cost I think the life cycle of a Mac will be longer than a pc, with related Mac software vs pc software, but because the platforms are so different the it is hard to directly compare.
Roughly the same hardware.
What is your definition of roughly, that it is a processor with some extra stuff?
I am not a Mac User my last mac was a 4400. But I have always admired Apple for using cutting edge to high end technology in their machines. Price a machine with the same specs as an iMac on a pc. 17 inch flat screen DVD CD-R fire wire ports, network cards and all. And you have similiar costs.
Well maybe I should point them to the many links in this article. Maybe I should email them specifically about a user called ninthwave who is also talking negatively about the site (sorry the Site) which is also against the agreement. Maybe I should point out that I linked to them (sorry not I but ninthwave) without their written permission. And maybe I should point out the existence of a google cache existing.
Because none of us has accepted their agreement to use the Site (big S but not t because it is not The Site just the Site)
Hmm so emailing them a link to the slashdot article and a huge rant would be a good idea.
Or only good if a gross of us do it.
Yes but the agreement states that it is for the Site completely
"Introduction
Thank you for visiting the American Airlines web site titled "aa.com" (the "Site"). In return for gaining access to the Site and using it, you agree to be bound by the following Agreement without limitation or qualification, so please carefully review this Agreement before proceeding. If you do not intend to be legally bound by these terms and conditions, do not access and use the Site. "
I think they are trying to have a Data Protection Privacy agreement and hired a software lawyer who confused the whole thing and created a useless piece of dribble drivel.
American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines. You are also denied permission to use any trademarked or copyrighted material to provide such hyperlinks or references, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines. American Airlines bears no responsibility for sites that provide hyperlinks or references to the Site unless those sites are operated by American Airlines.
Is it illegal if I haven't agreed?
What can they do to me
Why do they care if people link to them
What a load of rubbish
Sorry probably a waste of ones and zeroes but not as much as that dribble. The agreement says it is to protect your privacy while using the site but if you read the whole agreement they can do what ever they want with third parties, no recourse to tell you and the agreement can be changed at any time anyway. They aren't protecting privacy at all in that document in fact it looks pretty much like they have already sold their customers down the river and added a clause in the agreement that you can not sue them for anything that results from using the site, like the selling of personal information.
So the agreement should read
We can and will sell your information to third parties.
If you use this site you can not sue us.
It would be an easier read at that.
But the can't hyperlink clause is funny.
Show me some examples.
For info on the packages in linex check here.
There are no packages that would suggest that. You can check the source to see if there are specific changes.
That is the beauty of Open Source you can check the source. Which is again my question can you show me some examples. Of this. I agree it is a possible dark side but the system of Open Source has checks and balances against that. More so then corporate software.
I think that is the point of intiatives like this.
By dropping the machines into schools they are educated their children. This means their children are going to be using open systems and will have experience with it. This means that if they need to move out of an Microsoft framework they can and if they need to move into a Microsoft framework. Well I guess that learning curve is only slightly less easy than moving to the MacOS.
If Microsoft would give its software away to schools and not worry about future liscensing within the educational system it would be a difficult fight for linux. But as the Nambia article pointed out Microsoft is worried about revenue from education so it is openning up doors for Linux in education. When the end users are use to an os it will end up in business and government. Windows entered the office from people talking about the ease of use of their home machines and cemented itself in the office with students learning nothing but Office. If Microsoft gives up this market. In 12 years it will be seeing waves of students entering the job forcing learning Open Office as an Office ap and unfamiliar with the undocumented features (read bugs) of Windows, they will begin a push for the OS they are comfortable with in the business world. For in business efficiency is measured with getting work done. Windows is efficient because it is easier to deploy without having to worry about the computer literacy of your employees above a cetain level. But that is my rant. I would prefer to see Sun, Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Linux, FreeBSD and all companies tripping over each other to give free software to schools. The more exposure the youth have to a variety of Operating Systems the better future generations will be able to innovate. But my rant stops. Spelling is out the door and so is sanity but wait that is normal hence I am at slashdot.
If someone can recommend a good installation iso. Why not see if we could get a disk burned and do our disk drops. Like BookCrossing.com leaving an OS for lucky users to find.
Or maybe that could be a feature added to linuxiso.org a register of copies of linux left in public places and register for people who found it to report the finding. Maybe.
No it seemed to me the article said some users had to dual boot. When the intial bugs were worked out only a few are dualing booting. That is how it sounded though I will agree the article was vague on that point and I think you could read it either way.
And most of the dual boot users were forced into that position not because of bugs in Linux but Windows documents not using open standards. But agian they were vague on that point of to google to see if I can get some Spanish translated viewpoints of the project.
$400 dollars could be felony theft.
Reference
I think the mod with the lcd added to the cover of the G4 was interesting. Get rid of the lights and focus on the second screen. If you set the video output right you can have useful utilities on that screen. I was just thinking and have to get the specs for the size and panel construction of a G4 but why not put a full size lcd on the side and have a self contained unit like the imac. Though I am a fan of multiple displays with information split on the displays. I think that is my hang over from working in the NOC of an ISP with plasma screens displaying our network status and than monitors with detail of the status. I am just thinking of a G4 server with the 5 inch screen running top or a visual network tool so you don't have can glance at it and see what is up. Modding can be cool, pratical or just a learning experience. Most of the time it is a waste of resources but out of it can come some good ideas. The touch pad mac and so on. But anyway I am rambling so I will leave it there. Positives and negatives in most everything.
I bought the book in late 2000
and the changes are small.
The book deals very well with the state of linux programming. The basics of make gcc and the different programming tools available. The changes in the programs since then are easy to pick up. It is more about programming technique, how the tools are organised in Linux and how they generally work. gcc 3.2 hasn't taken light years away from gcc 2.95xxx and I have found references for those differences. This book is now one of my favorite quick references.
This is a starting block and a quick reference for many types of programming but it is not the end all reference.
You are right I am confused by the ibm rebranding of its web server to web sphere and the case that every domino shop I have worked in used IIS instead of the default domino web server. I am still not sure if web sphere is the web end from domino or a different product that you can use with domino but re checked my documentation and you are right me wrong. Mod me silly.
Domino on its own doesn't have a web server you need to use and can use Apache, IIS, or WebSphere with domino.
Open Source.
Two words.
Open = not closed
Source = code
Open Source you can get the source code.
Free as in speech not beer.
And you were. Though there was truth in your statements.
No, not lately. For some reason I can not write correctly in this forum. My problem was I was raised (can be substituted with indoctrinated or educated) with the rough draft, revision, second draft, final copy way of writing. My online writing has never married that offline form even when there is a handy preview button down at the bottom to use.
And aren't all men missing periods?
It could be argued that National Insurance payments which pay for your Health Care would be the same as payments to a private insurance as in the States. But by that argument you give Blue Shield the right to monitor you personally because they pay for your health. Both private and public health systems work on the concept that you pay a set fee in the States your insurance premiums in the UK your national insurance payments. These fees are put into a pool which is invested claims by individuals against are paid of the pool. The argument is less people use the service than pay into it so everyone can be covered. Both systems have flaws and benefits and neither have to do with selling human rights out.