It saddens me to do this, but I have to agree with parent. This 1-tip-no-fly thing seems a (somehow slow-mo) knee-jerk reaction to last year's underwear bomber. Like all the other measures of the security theater this will accomplish little more than annoy and disrupt innocents' lives. Sad. Orwellian world, we are slowly but steadily getting closer to it.
"Responding to questions on Twitter, Poulsen wrote that the unpublished portion of the chats contain no further reference to 'private' upload servers for Manning, while Hansen indicated that they contain no further reference to the relationship between Manning and Wikileaks chief Julian Assange."
"there is a significant amount of information that puts individuals at risk exposed in the Wikileaks data as opposed to general government policy."
Pics, or it didn't happen. Can you provide information about people dead/injured/harassed/put in jail/or otherwise harmed because of Wikileaks? I know of 2 people: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange. Well, and the German politician who spied for the US and got sacked. And the 3 American soldiers who may face trial for killing 2 journalists in Iraq. And many politicians and officials who have lost face.
What abut the link that starts the whole chain reaction? I'm talking, of course, about the Desktop/Start Menu link to [your favorite browser]. Once you click that link, you have access to all the publications you can think of, whether from their original source, or from links linking to sources. And who put this "original link" there? Microsoft, in many cases. Apple in some. PC OEMs also share some guilt. And some users too. So, start coughing up cash Microsoft, Apple, OEMs and users. You're hurting the industry by facilitating copyright infringement and access to pirated material. You are so busted!
I think you are not right. As I understand it, it doesn't matter what the source is for the right to private copy. I could have bought a bootlegged CD or stolen it and then share it on the net. My crime? Buying a bootlegged CD/stealing a CD. Sharing it just adds insult to injury. Sharing it is not a crime. Somebody downloads the CD from me. That's fine, how do they know it was a stolen CD or a bootleg copy? They can't (unless I name the file "stolen CD with nice music" or I otherwise tell them). Principle of good faith. Downloading music, etc. from another user is legal. Why? Because the law says so. And if you keep asking for the concrete paragraphs of the law where it says that, Google is your friend/ask somebody else --David Bravo or Enrique Dans, for instance. They'll probably answer your question (no joke) if you ask them directly.
tl;dr: file-sharing in Spain is legal. It's not illegal. It's not alegal. In fact, the law has so far sided with file-sharers and with owners of file-sharing sites because what they do is legal, not because it's alegal and can't be punished. That's why copyright outfits want the law changed in Spain.
I can't provide exact source but the general source is Spanish law. As long as no money is charged for the files, it's legal. I guess it's legal because it's sharing, not selling/buying. As for websites with P2P having advertising, that's legal too. They don't participate in the exchange of files, they just publish the links. Now, if you buy some bootleg music CD/movie DVD in the street, that's illegal, since he's charging you money for it. If you want to really piss off copyright groups you can set up a portable DVD toasting stall in front of one of their sees and start toasting DVDs for the passers-by for free. Is that legal? Yes, as long as you don't charge money. Similar stunts have been done before. Does it annoy the pro-copyrighters/anti-filesharers? Yes, extremely.
If you want more info, search for "derecho de copia privada" (right to private copy). Oh, and for software things aren't exactly the same as for music/movies/books, but I don't remember exactly how. Inb4 nitpicks.
Correct, they are not the same. I just mentioned illegal/alegal to cover both possibilities because I have seen it spun both ways in the media and both of them are wrong. File-sharing, even of copyrighted material is perfectly legal in Spain. However, these blissful days for Spanish file-sharers seem to be coming to an end since the Spanish Govt. seems absolutely decided to change the status quo.
"Yes, it is. You're relaxing when you could be earning money to donate that money to African children. But you don't want to do that work, even if the chain of events following means some people may die. Neither do the ATC guys."
Well, dude, you really have a twisted logic. No need to discuss with you anymore from here on. Do you want me to admit you won the discussion? Sure, no problem. You won fair and square. Now allow me to continue working, lest more African children die because of my slacking. I guess you wouldn't want to be an accomplice of my mass-murder.
That's a big "IF", dude. Did any ATC resist arrest? No, so there was no violence involved. Did any ATC not comply? No, so there was no need for an arrest in the first place. And how do you know the soldiers would use firearms to control an ATC who is resisting arrest? And why would they resist? And notice that you said "arrest". Or did you mean "an ATC that refused to work"? Arrest would come after refusal to work, and arrest doesn't imply violence. Don't you know that it's possible to give yourself in peacefully?
I'm posting of Slashdot. From that fact, where follows that I'm responsible for the deaths of African children? From my posting on Slashdot, where follows that I'm not donating to African children. From your twisted logic. My posting on Slashdot does not kill more or less children. Posting on Slashdot is not related to my donation/lack of donation to African children. I mentioned the transplant problem as an example of some collateral damage only. I never said they were criminally liable for that. Where did I say that? They might or might not be. But it seems you thought I had said they were, which I didn't say.
You keep twisting my words. In response to an earlier post, I said "Nobody put pistols in nobody's heads. The procedure is mostly bureaucratic." I didn't say that no guns were involved. If you claim that pistols were pointed at ATCs' heads you'll have to provide evidence for that.
I won't enter into whether this measure was necessary or not, but:
Nobody pointed no stinking pistols. Ever. Under state of alarm, the ATCs (not the rest of Spaniards) automatically became military personnel and were subjected to military law. No pointing of guns needed. You refuse to work? We take you to jail while you await a military trial as stipulated by military law. No guns or any kind of violence involved. Just a temporary, Congress-regulated, change of status for the ATCs.
And remember that State of Alarm != State of Exception or any other 2 or 3 special states.
As an aside, apparently Zapatero surprised everybody (including members of his government) with the State of Alarm. Few people knew that there was such a legal provision and the ATCs never imagined something like this could happen.
Stop, dude. Stop. You keep piling one logical fallacy after another. Do I have to explain why my posting on Slashdot does not make me liable for the deaths of children in Africa? Do you want me to answer that?
I mentioned the transplant issue as an illustration of some of the damage the ATCs caused.
Let's forget about any collateral damage the ATCs may have caused. These guys "got ill" and walked out of their posts. I don't think that's acceptable for any worker.
Strawman, is that you?
I post on Slashdot -> Children in Africa die because of my action/inaction?
Compare to: ATCs leave their work posts suddenly and en-masse -> Planes can't fly -> Organs and transplant personnel can't travel -> The Spanish transplant system grinds to a halt.
I read Ars article and noticed the "illegal but decriminalized".
File-sharing, even of copyrighted material is pefectly legal in Spain as long as no money is charged in exchange for the file. Perhaps that's what sharing means, as opposed to selling/purchasing. And no, carrying publicity in a website != charging for money in exchange for a file. And yes, copyright outfits always spin and re-spin the "ilegal/crime" mantra. An yes, the copyright overlords are mighty pissed and lobbying non-stop to have the law changed to their liking.
Somebody mod parent up, since s/he speaks the truth, something which, these days, has become a revolutionary act.
My symbolic +1.
And yes, you read right when parent said that **File sharing of copyrighted material IS LEGAL in Spain**. Then, why do we always hear/read that it's i-legal/alegal? That's what the pro-Copyright outits want you to believe and keep spouting all the time, blatantly ignoring what the law says.
"Estado de alarma" (State of Alarm) != State of Alert != State of Exception. State of alarm merely meant that the ATCs and the ATCs only were considered military personnel and subject to military discipline (i.e. Refuse to work? -> Insubordination). There was no removal of any constitutional rights for the public. Even in the case of the ATCs, you can argue that their constitutional rights were not affected, it's just that, suddenly, their employer/supervisor became the military and they had to act accordingly. Nobody put pistols in nobody's heads. The procedure is mostly bureaucratic.
Also, the State of Alarm is part of the Spanish constitution. In extreme cases (such as 600000 passengers affected), the government can declare it for an initial 15 days, then Congress decides if it's continued or not.
The ATCs suddenly and massively got ill and left. They stated that they were under severe stress and other pisspoor excuses. What is remarkable is that they had booked in advance a room at a nearby hotel to meet. Was this a strike? Yes, a covert one, not a legal one.
When the ATCs were notified of their new status under the State of Alarm, they suddenly got cured of all their ailments and went back to work. No guns needed nor involved.
Maybe it's worth mentioning that Spanish ATCs earn ridiculously huge salaries but have the poorest productivity record in Europe. They also have a very reduced ammount of standard work hours, so most of their pay is in overtime hours, even though a big chunk of said "overtime" corresponds to a normal 40 hr/week. Oh, and they also count their sick days, vacations and union meetings as worked hours, and are paid for them.
In the end, it doesn't matter much that Spanish ATCs are so well paid, what mattered this time was that they massively abandoned their work posts. Not any random post, but posts that affect a whole country. Did you know that the Spanish transplant system was affected by this shenanigans? Yep, some people didn't get their transplant on time because this guys "got ill" and walked out of the control towers.
I thought the USA was the land of the free, a place with respect and enforcement of the rule of law; a place where rulers and law-enforcement officials could --and should-- be held accountable for their actions; a place where abuse of power by authorities was frowned upon and punished. Maybe I got the wrong USA.
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You're implying too much. My take on the issue is that you and Joe Random can do whatever the fuck you want. I just told here what I did. If you people are so pissed off by it. Well, that's your problem --as long as you don't use violence.
Now, continue doing your business and I'll keep doing mine.
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Say whatever you want. I know I'm insignificant to them, but I felt the need to do something for a change. I'm not the only one. There's also the bad PR. And no, I never completely believed Google's motto. Just look at what they're planning for wireless internet: the end of net neutrality. All companies are evil, some are less evil than others. Have a nice time being cynical and doing nothing. That's why we can't have nice things.
Hahahaha! Really, Amazon... *breathless* This is a really good practical joke, seriously. You boot sites from your cloud when someone tells you to and now you want people to trust your DNS!
Oh, and yesterday I cancelled my PayPal & Amazon accounts. Keep up the good job! Now we see the true colors of these companies (until now, they were just an educated guess).
We see what you did there, Amazon. We all know it. Shame on you.
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It saddens me to do this, but I have to agree with parent. This 1-tip-no-fly thing seems a (somehow slow-mo) knee-jerk reaction to last year's underwear bomber. Like all the other measures of the security theater this will accomplish little more than annoy and disrupt innocents' lives. Sad. Orwellian world, we are slowly but steadily getting closer to it.
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/29/lamomanning-wikileak.html
"Responding to questions on Twitter, Poulsen wrote that the unpublished portion of the chats contain no further reference to 'private' upload servers for Manning, while Hansen indicated that they contain no further reference to the relationship between Manning and Wikileaks chief Julian Assange."
"there is a significant amount of information that puts individuals at risk exposed in the Wikileaks data as opposed to general government policy."
Pics, or it didn't happen. Can you provide information about people dead/injured/harassed/put in jail/or otherwise harmed because of Wikileaks? I know of 2 people: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange. Well, and the German politician who spied for the US and got sacked. And the 3 American soldiers who may face trial for killing 2 journalists in Iraq. And many politicians and officials who have lost face.
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What abut the link that starts the whole chain reaction? I'm talking, of course, about the Desktop/Start Menu link to [your favorite browser]. Once you click that link, you have access to all the publications you can think of, whether from their original source, or from links linking to sources. And who put this "original link" there? Microsoft, in many cases. Apple in some. PC OEMs also share some guilt. And some users too. So, start coughing up cash Microsoft, Apple, OEMs and users. You're hurting the industry by facilitating copyright infringement and access to pirated material. You are so busted!
I think you are not right. As I understand it, it doesn't matter what the source is for the right to private copy. I could have bought a bootlegged CD or stolen it and then share it on the net. My crime? Buying a bootlegged CD/stealing a CD. Sharing it just adds insult to injury. Sharing it is not a crime. Somebody downloads the CD from me. That's fine, how do they know it was a stolen CD or a bootleg copy? They can't (unless I name the file "stolen CD with nice music" or I otherwise tell them). Principle of good faith. Downloading music, etc. from another user is legal. Why? Because the law says so. And if you keep asking for the concrete paragraphs of the law where it says that, Google is your friend/ask somebody else --David Bravo or Enrique Dans, for instance. They'll probably answer your question (no joke) if you ask them directly. tl;dr: file-sharing in Spain is legal. It's not illegal. It's not alegal. In fact, the law has so far sided with file-sharers and with owners of file-sharing sites because what they do is legal, not because it's alegal and can't be punished. That's why copyright outfits want the law changed in Spain.
I can't provide exact source but the general source is Spanish law. As long as no money is charged for the files, it's legal. I guess it's legal because it's sharing, not selling/buying. As for websites with P2P having advertising, that's legal too. They don't participate in the exchange of files, they just publish the links. Now, if you buy some bootleg music CD/movie DVD in the street, that's illegal, since he's charging you money for it. If you want to really piss off copyright groups you can set up a portable DVD toasting stall in front of one of their sees and start toasting DVDs for the passers-by for free. Is that legal? Yes, as long as you don't charge money. Similar stunts have been done before. Does it annoy the pro-copyrighters/anti-filesharers? Yes, extremely. If you want more info, search for "derecho de copia privada" (right to private copy). Oh, and for software things aren't exactly the same as for music/movies/books, but I don't remember exactly how. Inb4 nitpicks.
Correct, they are not the same. I just mentioned illegal/alegal to cover both possibilities because I have seen it spun both ways in the media and both of them are wrong. File-sharing, even of copyrighted material is perfectly legal in Spain. However, these blissful days for Spanish file-sharers seem to be coming to an end since the Spanish Govt. seems absolutely decided to change the status quo.
And how do you know I'm not real?
It was about time.
"Yes, it is. You're relaxing when you could be earning money to donate that money to African children. But you don't want to do that work, even if the chain of events following means some people may die. Neither do the ATC guys." Well, dude, you really have a twisted logic. No need to discuss with you anymore from here on. Do you want me to admit you won the discussion? Sure, no problem. You won fair and square. Now allow me to continue working, lest more African children die because of my slacking. I guess you wouldn't want to be an accomplice of my mass-murder.
That's a big "IF", dude. Did any ATC resist arrest? No, so there was no violence involved. Did any ATC not comply? No, so there was no need for an arrest in the first place. And how do you know the soldiers would use firearms to control an ATC who is resisting arrest? And why would they resist? And notice that you said "arrest". Or did you mean "an ATC that refused to work"? Arrest would come after refusal to work, and arrest doesn't imply violence. Don't you know that it's possible to give yourself in peacefully?
I'm posting of Slashdot. From that fact, where follows that I'm responsible for the deaths of African children? From my posting on Slashdot, where follows that I'm not donating to African children. From your twisted logic. My posting on Slashdot does not kill more or less children. Posting on Slashdot is not related to my donation/lack of donation to African children. I mentioned the transplant problem as an example of some collateral damage only. I never said they were criminally liable for that. Where did I say that? They might or might not be. But it seems you thought I had said they were, which I didn't say. You keep twisting my words. In response to an earlier post, I said "Nobody put pistols in nobody's heads. The procedure is mostly bureaucratic." I didn't say that no guns were involved. If you claim that pistols were pointed at ATCs' heads you'll have to provide evidence for that.
I won't enter into whether this measure was necessary or not, but: Nobody pointed no stinking pistols. Ever. Under state of alarm, the ATCs (not the rest of Spaniards) automatically became military personnel and were subjected to military law. No pointing of guns needed. You refuse to work? We take you to jail while you await a military trial as stipulated by military law. No guns or any kind of violence involved. Just a temporary, Congress-regulated, change of status for the ATCs. And remember that State of Alarm != State of Exception or any other 2 or 3 special states. As an aside, apparently Zapatero surprised everybody (including members of his government) with the State of Alarm. Few people knew that there was such a legal provision and the ATCs never imagined something like this could happen.
Stop, dude. Stop. You keep piling one logical fallacy after another. Do I have to explain why my posting on Slashdot does not make me liable for the deaths of children in Africa? Do you want me to answer that? I mentioned the transplant issue as an illustration of some of the damage the ATCs caused. Let's forget about any collateral damage the ATCs may have caused. These guys "got ill" and walked out of their posts. I don't think that's acceptable for any worker.
Strawman, is that you? I post on Slashdot -> Children in Africa die because of my action/inaction? Compare to: ATCs leave their work posts suddenly and en-masse -> Planes can't fly -> Organs and transplant personnel can't travel -> The Spanish transplant system grinds to a halt.
I read Ars article and noticed the "illegal but decriminalized". File-sharing, even of copyrighted material is pefectly legal in Spain as long as no money is charged in exchange for the file. Perhaps that's what sharing means, as opposed to selling/purchasing. And no, carrying publicity in a website != charging for money in exchange for a file. And yes, copyright outfits always spin and re-spin the "ilegal/crime" mantra. An yes, the copyright overlords are mighty pissed and lobbying non-stop to have the law changed to their liking.
Somebody mod parent up, since s/he speaks the truth, something which, these days, has become a revolutionary act. My symbolic +1. And yes, you read right when parent said that **File sharing of copyrighted material IS LEGAL in Spain**. Then, why do we always hear/read that it's i-legal/alegal? That's what the pro-Copyright outits want you to believe and keep spouting all the time, blatantly ignoring what the law says.
"Estado de alarma" (State of Alarm) != State of Alert != State of Exception. State of alarm merely meant that the ATCs and the ATCs only were considered military personnel and subject to military discipline (i.e. Refuse to work? -> Insubordination). There was no removal of any constitutional rights for the public. Even in the case of the ATCs, you can argue that their constitutional rights were not affected, it's just that, suddenly, their employer/supervisor became the military and they had to act accordingly. Nobody put pistols in nobody's heads. The procedure is mostly bureaucratic.
Also, the State of Alarm is part of the Spanish constitution. In extreme cases (such as 600000 passengers affected), the government can declare it for an initial 15 days, then Congress decides if it's continued or not.
The ATCs suddenly and massively got ill and left. They stated that they were under severe stress and other pisspoor excuses. What is remarkable is that they had booked in advance a room at a nearby hotel to meet. Was this a strike? Yes, a covert one, not a legal one.
When the ATCs were notified of their new status under the State of Alarm, they suddenly got cured of all their ailments and went back to work. No guns needed nor involved.
Maybe it's worth mentioning that Spanish ATCs earn ridiculously huge salaries but have the poorest productivity record in Europe. They also have a very reduced ammount of standard work hours, so most of their pay is in overtime hours, even though a big chunk of said "overtime" corresponds to a normal 40 hr/week. Oh, and they also count their sick days, vacations and union meetings as worked hours, and are paid for them.
In the end, it doesn't matter much that Spanish ATCs are so well paid, what mattered this time was that they massively abandoned their work posts. Not any random post, but posts that affect a whole country. Did you know that the Spanish transplant system was affected by this shenanigans? Yep, some people didn't get their transplant on time because this guys "got ill" and walked out of the control towers.
I thought the USA was the land of the free, a place with respect and enforcement of the rule of law; a place where rulers and law-enforcement officials could --and should-- be held accountable for their actions; a place where abuse of power by authorities was frowned upon and punished. Maybe I got the wrong USA.
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Fair enough, I guess... Not sure if serious...
You're implying too much. My take on the issue is that you and Joe Random can do whatever the fuck you want. I just told here what I did. If you people are so pissed off by it. Well, that's your problem --as long as you don't use violence. Now, continue doing your business and I'll keep doing mine. Slashdot: A place to make friends!
Say whatever you want. I know I'm insignificant to them, but I felt the need to do something for a change. I'm not the only one. There's also the bad PR. And no, I never completely believed Google's motto. Just look at what they're planning for wireless internet: the end of net neutrality. All companies are evil, some are less evil than others. Have a nice time being cynical and doing nothing. That's why we can't have nice things.
Hahahaha! Really, Amazon... *breathless* This is a really good practical joke, seriously. You boot sites from your cloud when someone tells you to and now you want people to trust your DNS! Oh, and yesterday I cancelled my PayPal & Amazon accounts. Keep up the good job! Now we see the true colors of these companies (until now, they were just an educated guess). We see what you did there, Amazon. We all know it. Shame on you.