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Crookes, RIAA, MPAA, ICE — 'Linking Is Publishing'
newtley writes "What do Canada's Wayne Crookes, the Big 4's RIAA, Hollywood's MPAA and brand new ICE agent Andrew Reynolds have in common? They all claim linking is the same as publishing. Crookes is using it to demand Canada's Supreme Court effectively shut down the net in Canada. With the RIAA and MPAA providing the 'initiative,' the Obama government is using Andrews [read ICE — US Immigration and Customs Enforcement] to try to shut down innocent sites for, and on behalf of, Hollywood and Big Music. The sites are 'accused of contributing to online piracy, and it was essential for the domain names to be seized without a trial and without giving the sites a chance to respond. Why? Such sites are 'destroying the US economy.' Forget about legally appointed courts, proof or due process. Hollywood and Big Music rule."
I invented that string of 1's and 0's years ago! It's prior art.
Every time measures to stop piracy are stepped up to an even more draconian extent, the pirates feel a little bit less guilty.
I know a lot of pirates. Some of them have now moved on from "I want free stuff" to "I want to collapse the media empire before it enslaves mankind."
Also, First!
Companies which at least attempt to adapt to the changing market seem to be doing ok...
If nobody buys the crap, they can't fund their campaign.
Sorry, but linking is not the same is publishing.
Linking is the equivalent to pointing and shouting "Oh look, a deer!" in the real world.
Now, if I were to do that, I am not putting the deer there. I am simply mentioning that I see one and pointing it out to people. Now, if you mis-use the information if you happen to be within earshot and hear me and you poach that deer, it's not my fault nor my responsibility you did so - even if you are holding a shotgun when I point it out.
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If a link is publishing, then is a link to a link publishing the link which published the original? Does any website that link to google, or to a website that links to google, in effect publish the entire internet?
I'm surprised slashdot is brave enough to link to the story. I'd be scared of being taken down for providing access to illicit material that may undermine the government.
Interesting.
I guess that means that every single time the US Government has mentioned Wikileaks at press conferences they have themselves published all the documents available at Wikileaks?
I mean - mentioning the name of a website while talking, that's pretty much the same as linking in writing.
I guess Wikileaks is off the hook for publishing the documents then ...
Linking can't be publishing. If linking is publishing, then Google, Bing, and Yahoo are breaking the law, right now. Guess we'll have to to shut them down.
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What does it take to get a government of the people, for the people, and by the people in today's world?
Funny may not give karma, but +5 Informative never made anyone snort coffee out their nose.
Stop buying everything. Don't give them a single penny. You do not need these things anyway! Then write letters to them explaining WHY you're not buying from them.
I know, I know, "it's a nice idea, but most people are sheep and will buy anyway". Sad, sad, sad. That's the only solution I can think of, until someone whose voice actually means something can speak up for common sense and start bringing this shit to a halt. Anyone? Bueller?
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Let's discuss how media from the big four are 'destroying the US '!
These scumbags - the RIAA and MPAA - act outside the bounds of government to force their worldview on us. When the fuck can I act outsides the bounds of the law?
Then, is Google the most copyright infringement entity in the world?
seemingly most famous imaginary property troll is ...
Wayne Crookes?
Classic.
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet. Blog
Isn't that a bit like saying "Fruit and apples"?
I'm all for laws which ban deceptive linking.
There are all kinds of web sites out there whose operators scrape content, and steal bandwidth, creating the appearance that they created the content and are hosting all the images and other download materials themselves.
This is usually done to try to boost search engine rankings, to bring traffic to other content.
Such practices should be illegal.
It should only be fair use to make this kind of link:
<a href="target site">honest text</a>
It should be obvious to the end user that this is a hyperlink, and the text should make it clear that the user is navigating to someone else's site. An optional nofollow would be allowed, but no other attributes.
Any other form of linking (such as targetting a page into a frame or iframe, or using tags sourced from another site) should require the permission of the target site in order to be legal.
The difference between linking and embedding can't be defined by the underlying technology, but by how it looks. Is there an intent to deceive? If it looks like copying is going on then it must be considered that way.
You have published 5 articles with this one :)
Quick, everyone post links to "sharing" & "porn sites" in comments on RIAA/MPAA/Government sites then watch the legal system implode.
dont be mistaken - these wordage only give the impression that there are a lot of people involved in these occurrences. there arent. there are a few influential shareholders among the 10-20 biggest shareholders of these companies. and they think that it should be that way. and, they put people who will do their bidding at the helm of the corporations.
and these use the vast resources of those corporations to place who support them in power, or pressurize those who are already in power.
and you end up with this situation.
had those shareholders died out, as they should have, of old age, and different people came in place of them, everything would change. at the whim of a dozen individuals. best you would expect them would be to die out fast, just like how the people in middle ages hoped for their oppressive kings or lords to die. there is nothing democratic about a corporation. its private aristocracy. aristocracy privatized. however you put it.
this is the eventual result of capitalism. the one with the gold makes the rule. you are politically free. but because exercise of any freedom is tied to money privately, those who have the money have all the freedoms, and even can restrict the freedoms of those who dont have as much money as them.
economy and politics cannot be separate from each other. never. you cant expect to make one democratic and the other undemocratic and expect it to work. one will affect the other, eventually.
there you have it. 10-20 individuals are set on limiting freedoms of people, even at the cost of hampering a MAJOR new technology that is making the civilization to have a great step forward, and there is nothing you can do about it. the appalling part is, all what is happening are acceptable and legal, in terms of capitalism and its illusion storefront of political freedom.
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"corporations who want to make a buck on content" .... i almost felt sad for corporations .... fucking moron ...
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/07/13/1737224
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Then write letters to them explaining WHY you're not buying from them.
they would care about that.
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When did Obama take over the entire government? I thought he was having trouble reigning in the Executive branch.
Or is it "Obama" the new "Liberal Facist Marxist Commie"? Or is it how Canadians refer to the US Government?
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It may be the governments that Barak Obama and Steven Harper lead, but is it fair to say that the "X administration" or the "Y government" is party to this scheme?
The RIAA has been trying to change Canadian law since long before Steven Harper was even in parliament, and has worked with all the intervening governments to try to push their position.
If I were to say the "Harper administration" was part of this policy effort, it would suggest that they dreamed up the policy, and were themselves evil. That's not just an insult, it's unfair.
I'd rather insult Mr Harper fairly, by calling him "Steve" and his party the "Canadian Conservative Reform Alliance" party, or CCRAP*.
--dave
* Yes, that was the party's name at one point. They changed it.
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Very difficult my friend, for the people that are the loudest are right...kindergarten logic.
The real question is, when will be the tipping point in America? At some point there will need to be a march on Washington not for piracy, but privacy on multiple fronts. When these issues start affecting even more of the masses in a daily fashion, this may happen. Everything from airport scanners, to cell phone tracking, to packet inspection, to... I just wonder what will be the metaphorical straw to break the camel's back.
Personally, I'll gladly pay for my gas and beer costs to march on Washington, as soon as a big enough march is organized. For now our job is getting the next door neighbor concerned, bringing this to "main street". Make it applicable to them, in a subtle non-trollish manner (haha). The one thing that can save America, or any other nation who is driven by the will of it's citizens, is to educate and make the issues tangible, clear-cut.
I refuse to believe there is nothing that can be done. To have a government of the people, for the people, and by the people, well...you have to start with informing the people.
We should start a new Slashdot and return control to the geeks. It actually wouldn't be that hard to get some users to
Don't blame me, I didn't drink the obama koolaide. I voted for mitt...
The fact that these corporations just don't want to accept is that their business model is crumbling before their very eyes. No matter what your opinion on pirating is, it is nearly impossible to stop it. The world is changing and the big record labels and movie studios are becoming obsolete very very quickly. There is no turning back. The corporate fat cats either need to find a way to adapt to the changing environment of digital distribution (although I honestly don't have a good idea of how) or they will fall. In my opinion, the money they have been squandering on pointless lawsuits and proverbial dead horse beating would be much better spent on gathering those that a much more intelligent than they are and having them come up with a new model that might work in todays society. This is more than a few bad apples stealing, there are housewives and grandmothers hitting the pirate bay. It isn't going to change, so the industry is going to have to.
I wonder if this is a traditional quorum-sensing problem?
None of us can be bothered to march on Washington to demonstrate because each of us feels only a handful of others would show up. When in fact, none of us really knows for sure how many like-minded citizens would join us.
I can't wait for Obama to be inaugurated!
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
All newspapers are guilty of robbery, murder, rape or any other of the crimes they report in their pages, at least according to this logic.
According to the RIAA:
That gives us a 2008 estimate of 12 billion dollars in revenue for retail sale of music. Presumably for the RIAA, who "create, manufacture and/or distribute approximately 85% of all legitimate sound recordings produced and sold in the United States". So a total of about $14.2 billion in revenue.
Now, obviously we also need to take the MPAA into consideration. Again, using 2008 numbers:
Ticket sales grossed about $10 billion. And since quite a lot of people seem to claim (and no, I have no source handy) that home video sales is about the same as ticket sales, then we're looking at around $20 billion in 2008.
Apple's revenue for 2008 in the Americas was $14.5 billion. Granted, that's a larger geographical area than RIAA's numbers, but then again Apple is a relatively small company in the IT landscape.
How about some of the bigger fish?
IBM reported revenue of $103.6 billion, and pre-tax profit of $16.7 billion.
So, the movie and music industry combined gets up to around $35 billion in 2008 in the US.
IBM (world wide) - $103 billion
Apple (Americas) - $14.5 billion
Google (world wide) - $21.8 billion
Microsoft (world wide?) - $60.4 billion
Oracle (world wide?) - 22.4 billion
Dell (world wide?) - 61 billion
Seriously - why the fuck are the IT giants just turning their back on the complete and utter gang rape on things like the Internet, when most of their products would die off the moment it stops working the way it should.
Just buy out the fuckers, boot the executives, lawyers, assistants etc. from their penthouse offices (literally boot them out over the balcony) and just kill off these massively debilitating parasites.
There's no other explanation for his behaviour.
In Canada, the Supreme Court ruled last year that a newspaper reporting on slander or libel is not always necessarily guilty of libel itself, even if the defamatory statements themselves are published.
Since his case is about defamation, he's going to lose, and I expect the opinion (reserved since 7 Dec) to be a scathing chastisement indirectly aimed at his counsel.
As far as hyperlinking being publishing... what rot. No librarian would ever say the card index is the stacks, no cartographer would ever say the map is the territory.
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I rest my case.
Anymore it appears that the very people (us) that make it possible for these companies to make money, are eating their customers. Personally, I am less likely to think outside the box, start a business, or do anything that might seem risky because the price is so high anymore. I am lot less likely to advocate, trust, or patronize any company either for the same reasons; there is absolutely no benefit to me, I am mearly a means to an end, and the notion of the customer is always right doen't exist anymore. Zero tolerance and FyPm (it's an acronym; think really hard) is creating a senario for economic seizure. My 2c...
Our court system does not work with websites. It takes months for the court system to process something, and seconds to create a new website. I used to be pro pirating until media became available at a reasonable price and purchasable online. Now I don't feel so sorry for those who are sued for downloading a ton of content when they have plenty of cash. I also spent six months in Malaysia working for a computer company, and I found that they cannot make movies there because no one will buy them, they would all make copies of the film, and sell the copies without any worry, as no one will do anything about it. Imagine if marvel could not make any more movies because no one would buy them, they would just copy them. I agree with the high cost of software. I don't fell sorry for adobe when folks take free copies of their crazy expensive software. I think any software over $50 should have mutiple versions with multiple prices. If it does not make sense for a company to do this, they should expect that students and folks using the software for personal use are going to grab a free copy. It's easy to do, and they are not given an alternative. If someone is making money using the software, they should pay for a copy...
The government can now take your property without proving you committed a crime. In what way does that exemplify us being "the land of the free?"
America is officially a police state. Merry Fucking Christmas.
God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
How many companies from the NASDAQ 100 of 50 years ago still exist? Is any company as immortal as you appear to think? Sure, they're loud now, but they can and do get brought down. Really, what we need is laws and regulations that limit their ability to distort the legal system - they'll take care of limited lifetimes on their own.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
Stop buying music and movies from those industries...
If you stop fuelling those companies, they'll cease to exist. Problem solved. I really do believe that industry has taken things way too far, just to cover their own inadequacies. They don't want to change and they think they can change the world. They're wrong.
People have to actually _stand up_ to defend their liberties... that's just as true in this case, as it is for everything else in life. So, just stop buying music and movies that are produced by companies involved with the MPAA/RIAA.
Your local library card index just became a massive piracy enterprise. Best shut down libraries because they are collapsing the economy.
Patent litigation: A doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction... in which everyone seems willing to push the button
I think I figured out how to retire early. Make video or some other form of media and copyright it. Let all kinds of people know about it. Then do a google/bing/yahoo search and if they've linked to my media, sue the pants off of them.
If the RIAA thinks that a small website linking is violating copyright, then why don't they go after the big players, too (other than they know that google and the like have the money to fight such an absurd notion).
Interesting notion. What would happen if there were a boycott/strike of any given company? For fear of reprisal, I am not picking one out, but cash flow being what it is, take just one and collectively refuse to pay our bill for a month or refuse to buy from them for a month. What would happen?
people from the two 'thinking coasts' will show up.
the flyover states continue to think that even the TSA is there to 'help them be safer'.
with idiots like that making up the US voting population, there isn't a lot of hope, really.
we are the vocal minority on slashdot. the general population is nowhere near as clued in to this stuff as we are.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
Not yet.
Better quorum sensing would allow the people to get organized a little sooner -- but it would also enable the opponents to identify rapidly growing threats and proceed to divide and conquer them.
Typical grass roots movements grow exponentially so sensing the quorum is an easy problem -- once the tipping point is reached, it's obvious to everyone simultaneously. I think that's a good thing.
The artists don't realize that eventually the record companies will consider and enforce that derivation is copying, and will sue any creators of original content as pirates.
the American youth of today learn a powerful lesson from all this. Someday, it will be their turn to rule.
There were around $15.8 billion in sales in "premium content" in 2010. No economist would consider this industry economically significant, but we have intellectual monopolists shrieking that piracy is shutting down the economy.
But stifling natural markets is destroying the economy: the intellectual monopolists demand control over all copies (of a piece of music, movie, article, etc). This limits your ability to sell or give away the copy you purchased. The downstream control of all copies of a copyrighted work is completely unlike physical property, so the analogy between intellectual property and physical property breaks down.
The phrase "linking is publishing" is misleading. Copyright protects specific forms of expression; unless the link occurs within the copyrighted page (and even in that case), it is a new form of expression. A link is a citation. The claim that citations violate the intellectual property of the owner of some cited work is worse than copyright violation: it is plagiarism. In this case, the intellectual monopolist is claiming that a work he did not produce, the citation, is his own. This is plagiarism, which involves identity theft--a social evil.
If "linking is publishing" then "citation is publishing" and we are all guilty by transitivity.
It is because intellectual monopolists like the music and movie industry want to make their plagiarism your copyright problem that I avoid listening to their music and watching their movies. Thanks to their efforts to limit competition, it's rubbish anyway.
The bigger problem is that there's a large and vocal group that seems to think that the abuses of power are a good idea and that any effort by the government to better our lives is an abuse of power comparable to anything the Nazis ever did.
Bibliographies. They are links to content, whether on the web or off... they are absolutely *required* in any work that wishes to present itself as credible. If they are the same as publishing the content itself, then anyone who has ever submitted a credible paper on virtually any subject you might care to conceive of since the concept of them was invented is guilty of copyright infringement.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
They "fix" this by linking intent to it. This way they can enforce it completely arbitrary.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
The following is my Opinion and is protected under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
MPAA, RIAA should stick to confines of their borders.
Since this appears to be about linking and not actually the act of pirating.
If I as a Canadian choose to put a link or thousands of links, manual or automated on my own website
who is the RIAA, MPAA, or even the US government to say anything about it.
Were neighbors that is all, keep your policy bullying within the confines of your own borders.
My Fellow Canadians, it is time to start turning out for elections, meetings and all the things we generally leave
to those we elect to power. The process is boring and long and tedious, but in the end we can stop this bullying
and fear mongering. In my experience when talking about these types of issues I get the same response time and time again
"What are You gonna do about it ?", well this isn't about me, This is about Canada so now "What are we gonna do about it ?"
So why no just start posting links to alleged material on the comments of Big Music, Big Movie, Big Law sites?
Just a thought....
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That was a *good* car analogy. Please try again.
well, I am sure all here are hoping that our new medieval overlords quickly die of the plague. Or a particularly nasty tropical disease.
Just bought a new quantum computer, but I'm uncertain how it works.
In addition to what is usually said about unauthorized downloading on here:
Seeing a film on a huge movie theater screen after seeing it on their home equipment would offer a different experience
The difference between a downloaded album and a purchased CD exists is less. (A lossless version of something only available for download - authorized or unauthorized download - in a lossy format, for example.)
Little sense in an unauthorized download of something available dirt-cheap legitimately, and again, thanks to second-run theaters, the difference is a bit more pronounced with films.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
Conversely, there could be a binding effect from cultural products popular worldwide, such products often but not always being controlled by major media.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
In soviet Russia ... nah, screw that. Its time for a new meme:
In fascist USA ... due process is disposed of with the value of the value of the dollar.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
No, there does not have to be any middle ground. The consumers want it for free and for the last 25 years or so they have been getting it in bigger and bigger chunks.
Today there is no need to ever pay for music or movies because there are people very happy to supply you. And part of their motivation is for you to say you got it from them and the rest is making sure that nobody, ever gets a dime from anything digital. Ever.
iTunes is perhaps the best known digital music distribution service and it accounts for maybe 2% of music downloads. The rest are free.
No, I don't think there is any middle ground left. We now train children to pirate in schools where they learn from both other students and the teachers about pirating. There is no way out of this other than a collapse.
But we will have 70's music "classics" for the next hundred years. And 80's slasher films.
Maybe the US economy was already fucked up to begin with.
Interesting that you say the govt is linking by reference (pointers) to a source that has the values (the actual docs.) More interesting still is that the govt doesn't publish the value of the data to just end it all. But they know that despite being given the reference, mainstream people fear being caught, and most importantly, are lazy*.
When Uncle Sam says there's a BIG forbidden book beyond door X which you'll get in trouble for carrying in public, very few will bother. The public will "meh" till someone else skims it. That is happening now. BUT, if Uncle Sam were to mail every American this forbidden book, that would outweigh the laziness percentage enough to count.
* similar to why they mail Americans their tax forms EVERY year
According to the U.S. Constitution:
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, ((((((((((((nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation)))))))))))))."
Why isn't anyone suing for due process violations? No law enacted by congress nor action of the Federal or State Governments can overrule the Constitution.
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there arent. there are a few influential shareholders among the 10-20 biggest shareholders of these companies. and they think that it should be that way. and, they put people who will do their bidding at the helm of the corporations.
What are the names of them?
Tactical nukes deployed against large corporations' officers, their pet politicians, their lobbyists, and their lawyers.
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Dewey was fired.
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It's going to be illegal to have ever seen a link. Because the economy must go on.
Blow Bull winkle
Sooo... What they're saying is that a page that links to an 'illegal' page is also 'illegal'. If you follow that chain, basically EVERY website is illegal.
My god, we have to shut down the internet right now!
What abut the link that starts the whole chain reaction? I'm talking, of course, about the Desktop/Start Menu link to [your favorite browser]. Once you click that link, you have access to all the publications you can think of, whether from their original source, or from links linking to sources. And who put this "original link" there? Microsoft, in many cases. Apple in some. PC OEMs also share some guilt. And some users too. So, start coughing up cash Microsoft, Apple, OEMs and users. You're hurting the industry by facilitating copyright infringement and access to pirated material. You are so busted!
2019 is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop.
As has been pointed out many times before - those being pursued and prosecuted (for the most part) took no actual money from the pockets of the studios. Which begs the question - why spend the money chasing them?
Answer: because to try and shutdown attempts by musicans and movie makers to market their product directly to the market would not be allowed.
Invent a reason (illegal downloaders/sharers) that allows teh MAFIIA to shutdown competition.
Actually, piracy is a good term - it refers to an era when pirates were private armies approved by the Crown, and a threat through dilution of power to the "official" armies. Though it would be amusing if the pirates of old (lacking modern digital methods) had pulled alongside Spanish galleons and whipped off sketches of Inca treasure - therefore depriving the Spanish crown their rightful revenue.
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that works and has vigilent multiple eyes making sure nohting goes wrong then we dont need politicians we can all set a bill forth and get people to vote on them if say you can get X number to second it it goes to a city level then state and so on until it may or may not become a federal bill. then the mpaa has to UM er bribe me the voter HOW NOVEL is that
Typical grass roots movements grow exponentially so sensing the quorum is an easy problem -- once the tipping point is reached, it's obvious to everyone simultaneously. I think that's a good thing.
Good point.
We should start a new Slashdot and return control to the geeks. It actually wouldn't be that hard to get some users to
Sure, put the blame on someone else Obama. And, just how do you rationalize this when a silly computer game (based on your wars) rakes in over $1BILLION? Or, when movies continually break mega million dollar sales record?
So, if i remove the a tag from
click me
and just have
http://piratebay.org
then that's not linking and ok then? Just let people CTRL+C CTRL+V the text...
You're going to look awfully silly with that gun when they bomb your ass to stone age from a few miles up.
No, you are right to paint the picture, but it is only part of the story,
the oligarcs, but more than 20, influence thru Congress and the MSM, if there is any real push back,
they go away, and try another day. Then, increasingly, technology overwelms them, because they are
trying to support the status quo and do not investigate disruptive technologies.
The long view is they always loose, You guys in the USA need to get a life and figure out how to control your
Congress-Critters/Senate-Placemen.
Then you get the Supreames back and all will be OK
Then it wont really matter who is President.
its not companies. its those who own them. do you think the people who owned majority of the financial institutions which effected the wall street scam are gone now ? no. the corporations may have gone under, but they are still there. and they are setting up new ones.
and these arent even the 'real' powerful corporate holders. the really powerful corporation does not need to engage in scams like wall street.
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Well said, my friend! Now please read my sig, go to the link, and study the work of the great C. H. Douglas. He analyzed this a hundred years ago, and designed a valid and eminently workable solution. Heinlein was well aware of Douglas as well, thus For Us The Living, A Comedy of Custom.
Social Credit would solve everything...
Personally, I'll gladly pay for my gas and beer costs to march on Washington, as soon as a big enough march is organized. For now our job is getting the next door neighbor concerned, bringing this to "main street". Make it applicable to them, in a subtle non-trollish manner (haha). The one thing that can save America, or any other nation who is driven by the will of it's citizens, is to educate and make the issues tangible, clear-cut.
Trouble is, that's already in the process of happening. It's called The Tea Party. The government 'by the people, of the people' of today would manage to be WORSE than what you have now... unless the stupid half of America dropped dead tomorrow. Could we engineer some kind of IQ-based virus?
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Better shut down Google then, because they link to pretty much EVERYTHING, including torrents, EXACTLY like some of the sites they have already shut down.
President Obama can, obviously, be trusted by his financial supporters. The RIAA and MPAA were the only group left after first Goldman-Sachs was payed off, then the unions (look how much they own of GM) to be payed off. Y'all expected something different? It stopped mattering who was in power in America some time ago. Now it's who bought the politician(s) and for how much.
I used to support our people, country and Constitution. I put my life on the line to do so and am totally disabled as a result. Sadly, I now firmly believe that supporting the first two was a mistake.
"[I]t is a wise man who admits the limits of his knowledge or skill, and that pretending either causes harm." --Terry Go
Yeah when they can't tell the difference between copyright infringement and theft/stealing/piracy, why should anyone expect them to know the difference between linking and publishing?
How many companies from the NASDAQ 100 of 50 years ago still exist?
Zero...considering NASDAQ is 39 yrs old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASDAQ
Just another day in Paradise
I like a website and establish a link to it for my own site. There is nothing wrong with that. But I do not control that linked-to website and some time later, they do something perceived to be illegal. Therefore I am I guilty?
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i really don't care
come arrest me and put me in prison?
you're going to have to arrest 40 million of me.
i'll use the internet how i want to
thanks
-anonymous
So when i merely think of a song, they come and rip it out of my head forever if i don't pay up. I would say they live within their own private 'reality distortion field', but they have enough cash on hand to make it our reality...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I know it gets brought up often, but since these 'rules' are so nebulous, when do the giants like Google have to pay out protection money to the 'family'? Tthey wont get shut down of course, but they will get sued ( or just threatened ) and settle out of court, using our tax dollars to fund their attorneys on what should be a civil matter.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Fascism is as fascism does.
I want free stuff so I take free stuff. I walk next door to the library with my laptop. I plug it in at the wired table (they're all wired for 120V). I go to the shelf and pick up an interesting looking DVD or CD. I plug it into my laptop's DVD-RW and just make a copy of it right there. I read magazines and newspapers while the disk is being copied. Or write some code. Then I go home. Or if it is seriously cold weather, I linger in the heated public library and copy another DVD. Instead of rushing home to my barely-heated cold apartment.
The RIAA/MPAA/CIA doesn't fuck with me. They don't even see me. I don't announce that I'm putting "their" stuff on the web for download. I don't make a big deal about the fact that the RIAA/MPAA stole the public domain and that we are quietly stealing it back from them. I don't give a fuck about whatever they claim the law is. The so-called copyright law only exists because they paid off politicians to pass the so-called law exactly as they wrote it. I ignore it, so do you. Neither of us pay for anything, nor is it likely that we ever will again. They know this. They don't care. They realize that there isn't anything that they can do to get any money whatsoever from me and people like me. Like you. All they are interested in is making product, selling product (to people who are still willing and able to actually give them money for the product), driving beamers, shorting coke, escorting prime T&A to the A-list Hollywood parties, and stick their dicks into this prime T&A afterwards. People like you and me are not on the list of things that they are interested in.
There was a time around 2001 when the RIAA/MPAA/CIA thought that they were going to take on the librarians. They were misinformed. We set them straight. Now they don't care about us. We have a simple deal with them: each major city and suburban library buys one to ten copies of every piece of shit product that they produce. People (smart people that is, who actually use public libraries) get to take the product home for free if they agree to bring it back in a week or two.
Whether they read it, copy it, or ignore it is no one's concern. It's the same basic deal that has been in place since Ben Franklin put it in place 250 years ago.
It works, and you should work with it. Forget about web distribution and so-called piracy or even freedom of information. It just provokes them to be stupid. And with all that coke floating around in their heads, they can be really mean and stupid. You join the civilized world when you realized that, individually, you have transcended the assholes.
At this point if you pay for music or movies then you are complicit to these criminals, you are financing their lobbying.
Never has there been a better time to be a pirate, stop paying them for anything and they go away, try to do the right thing and pay...well you can figure that out.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
The "metaphorical straw to break the camel's back", as you put it, is an elusive thing. If there is anything that might qualify, however, it could be the REAL ID act that passed only a few years ago. It's been largely unenforced, as most states filed extensions to delay implementation, but few states actually passed nullifying legislation towards it, and a few states (God forgive them) actually passed that abomination, I know of at least one that has actually harassed citizens by virtue of the restrictions that act has brought forth. What does this have to do with the state of I.P. law? Seemingly little, until they start asking for a scan of your REAL ID compliant identification card when attempting online purchases. While not explicitly requiring presentation of this for purchases, it would be a comparatively effective way of monitoring I.P. transfers and engaging in remote enforcement of compliancy with these ridiculously invasive violations of our civil rights.
Ask yourself about where you live, and what local law enforcement requires of you on a daily basis. Afterwards, QUESTION your understanding of what that really means, and compare the facts to the "conventional wisdom". Would you be compliant?
Be vigilant. Be informed. Be prepared for the worst. It will eventually be attempted.
So this going to boil down to the MPAA/RIAA vs Google/yahoo et al.? I'm going to have to put my money on the Google crowd...
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." General James Mattis
This was really well dictated. Nice way of putting it.
We should start a new Slashdot and return control to the geeks. It actually wouldn't be that hard to get some users to
It's called The Tea Party.
I think this party is more knee jerk by many ultra conservatives than anything else. To me they do not hold a huge potential "threat" to the financially supported two party system in place.
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When I said "bringing this to 'main street'", I was alluding, not exclusively, to the tea party currently existing and how they have found their numbers. This is the foundation of a grassroots campaign, as it is referred to, which I believe it is the foundation for a large scale change in thinking. I will refuse to believe that a government would be any worse from what I believe being explained and accepted. (See what I did there?) The point is everyone has an opinion (it is like a bellybutton!). I respect this to the fullest extent and although I respect an individual's right to an opinion, I will still try and persuade them that they are wrong.
We cannot give up ideals to silence the opposition, otherwise we'd be no better than the idea we call America. (And in this case it is lobbyists more than a political party)
Could we engineer some kind of IQ-based virus?
Natural Selection. :)
We should start a new Slashdot and return control to the geeks. It actually wouldn't be that hard to get some users to
This is no longer true. Go reference Adobe's website.
(The subject is the point)
Technical Notes:
A union of people for the good of the people is the definition of socialism. The USA was formed as a socialist nation. As in We the People ... establish justice ... domestic tranquility ... common defense ... general welfare ... ourselves and our posterity...
A union of people for the good of the Nation/State is "National Socialism" and is what we fought against in world war II. If you have ever said "my country, right or wrong" you were being un-american as you were (at the risk of Goodwining myself) practicing National Socialism.
A union of the people for the good of the bureaucracy is Soviet Socialism, which is what "the cold war" was about.
Fascism is a belief or _worship_ of the state as divine power of right. It typically requires uniformity of behavior in some areas the state has deemed universally desirable, and an individual conformity in the details by individual. It is National Socialism raised to a near religion. It is "father knows best".
So anybody who complains about Socialist Policies or Polities in U.S. actions or positions failed "U.S. Constitution 101".
Sadly none of our political options available in this country are in line with the countries inherently socialist ideals. The Socialist parties are either National Socialist, or Fascist. The libertarians are psudo-anarchists and anti-socialists with no understanding of the economies of scale that make their life possible [stupid-idealist to-the-right]. Both the Republicans and Democrats are Corporatist and Paternalist (e.g. National Socialist to Proto-Fascists ["government knows best"] underpinning ["money talks" popularism]). Communists claim to believe in no government at all (in theory) which would work just great if there were no humans involved.
Now if we could get _all_ the closet republicans out of the Democratic party, and then remove "person-hood" from corporations, and then prevent "popular elections" and substitute in "topical elections" (such as requiring people to vote for a platform, with no personal knowledge of who would then take the office, only knowledge that that person wrote and holds to particular positions), or some other pie-in-sky transaction like that...
_Then_ we can have government of, by, and for the people.
Basically we need a president that has no power to "front for us" and a body governmental that is perhaps appointed at random (drafted, as in via the draft, from the roles of educational graduation), paid at shite wages, and given orders by topical ballot (not by "polling" but by initiative). Basically the entire legislative branch should be a paramilitary organization that cannot be joined by choice, only by draft.
At that point you start getting _close_ to what is needed. But in essence anybody who wants public office should be banned from public office.
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
A Swedish court has already ruled that a man linking to a non-password-protected video webcast committed copyright violation because he "published" the webcast. It'll be interesting to see if it holds in the appeals court.
Is library publisher?