It's a strong estrogen and a causative factor in several forms of cancer, in infertility and reproductive abnormalities in those exposed in utero and even in their progeny.
Diethylstilbestrol is, like most hormones, a hazard to those who handle it, and there's precious few excuses for using it anymore; its use as an anti-abortive was based on faulty evidence.
Though it's a far cry from labelling, Stuff: The Secret Lives of Everyday Things goes into enough detail to make your average "vote with your wallet" environmentalist hide under her petroleum-synthesized polyester pillow (with chlorine-bleached pesticide-sprayed cotton pillowcase).
Just as foods probably have GMOs unless otherwise labelled, all that crap we buy has a certain index of pesticide-ridden foreign-assembled non-biodegradable impact unless produced by local organic hippies past the age of majority from locally-grown organic hemp. And if it is, you can be damn sure it'll be labelled as such so that the rest of us sucker consumer environmentalist pseudo-hippies can be sure to get it.
Because after seeing STIs, uterine tissues, botched abortions, prolapsed uteri, fistulae, dumb knocked-up chicks of all variations and tubal ligations all day, you'll be SO GLAD to get home and whack off to some normal girlies.
Argent, a crown within a rose leaf wreath vert, all within a bordure engrailed azure, semé of roses argent.
Oh, whoops. Wrong group of geeks.
You're bigger, but Oregon had the name :PPP
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Oregon's Million Man Lan was last fall. The server admins ditched the MML2k organiser and started the Northwest Lan Gaming Association, and they're doing The Promised Lan this spring.
Obligatory disclaimer: I used to date the Parid guy, and I came up with the name. And yes, we asked the Aussies first.
Be nice to that tpl.net server, kids. Oregon/Washington gamers, please go have a look. NWLANGA wants to make this a regular kind of thing.
Ursula K LeGuin...Works like "Left Hand of Darkness" are more human than OSC's Ender series, and more real then Heinlein. Though her settings change from futuristic neo-amerindian villages to classic sci-fi spaceships, her stories are always about the interactions of the characters, not "hey looky, I can call moss "pliflipthrop, and then it's a totally new fantastic world". She's uber, and after reading her I understood "social science fiction".
Except that they got it wrong....
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Bert's soft spot was for pigeons. Haven't you ever seen him do the pigeon dance?
Me: Hi, I wanted to make sure my setup is OK with you guys.
Them: Sure, we'll send a tech to make sure it's working. ...
Me: So in the cardboard box is my coyote linux box, and it serves DHCP to our network in here, and on the other side of the switch that's my debian and windows machines on the kvm switch...
Them (Eyes glazing over): Uh..think you're ok.
But the tech _did_ get some interaction with a female college student, so not all was lost.
Are people so lazy that they cannot get up off their arses to go to a voting center to vote?
You betcha. Here in Oregon people voted in vote-by-mail a few years ago. No more polling stations for us, we punch out our ballot cards in the privacy of our own homes. Not only that, we have this "double-majority" amendment wherein new tax measures can't be passed in primaries unless half the registered voter base votes in the election.
Never overestimate the laziness of a bunch of rednecks...
Part of the reason "gender" and "sex" have been redefined is that they do not include intersexual people and people who feel they have been biologically misassigned. Your example illustrates the dangers of assuming a child can be molded into another gender-based mindset, but it is also harmful to assume that a child automatically will consider him/herself of mindset that corresponds to her/his equipment.
The culture, both corporate and casual, in IT, is overwhelmingly male dominated. Smart girls who are willing to play the system can most definitely make it, but the odds shouldn't be any harder for them than for their male counterparts.
As for those middle school girls who don't like funny symbols and blinky lights, I hope they find something else they enjoy; I wouldn't want them cluttering up my machine room.
In a country where women are still triviliased as sex objects, molested in Central Park in broad daylight, barely granted the continuing right to an abortion, denied the right to sue rapists because of "state's jurisdiction" or what have you, how dare you argue that the playing field is level? Can you blame women for turning to fields where they have more support from other women?
If women choose not to go into technical fields because they're afraid of no support or having their talents ignored or when they were perfectly competent techies, then that's a shame and a loss for all of us. Those choices are not due to wiring, those are due to things we can and should change.
There is nothing inside our heads that discourages us from going into IT, but there are plenty of mysogynist assholes who do.
I hope you don't meen touchy-feely things like the crud Purple Moon puts out, trying to get girls to use computers by reinforcing sexual stereotypes and making them more relationshippy. There was an AP or Reuters story (can't find it now, sorry) a few weeks ago about a study that found women use the internet now as much as men, but for girly things like women.com--the same hoo-ha in women's magazines at the grocery store. Dumbing things down to "appeal to women" may get my mom looking at martha stewart online but it's not going to attract women to programming, diddling with hardware or playing with unix.
If you mean there's a chicken-and-egg problem of support for women in IT you're right; people don't generally want to get involved in something no one they know does. That's why groups like Linux Chix and unix sluts are helpful, because they let women know they are not alone in their choice to go into techie things.
Some other posters have made mention of the girl who demands acceptance because she knows a little HTML. Whether this is as common as it seems or not, there is a burden on women in IT and other technical fields (physics, math) to be better than average just to justify their presence that does not fall upon the geeky male. Like Miranda from UF and Ki from GPF,we not only have to fit in , we have to be really damn good just to be acceptable. Or, as Pitr demonstrates, our abilities are ignored.
This is not about "making everything 50%/50%", it is about not losing the potential contributions people have to offer fields because they feel pressured to go into something else. If, given equality to begin with, men and women really did choose to go in different directions, there would be no problem. But to assume that the field is level just because you or your friend Mathilda had no problems, and then chasitize women for not getting off their duffs and interested in technical fields, is extremely pompous and ignores the sexism and misogyny still common in American (Western?) society.
The only reason they seem to have for comparing the two OSes is that they're both not Microsoft spawn. What the hey? They begin by saying they're aimed at completely distinct markets, and end saying the same thing.
Then in the 'hardware compatibility' section they start mixing compatibility issues with issues about actual hardware. Wouldn't it make more sense to compare two OSs that actually run on the same hardware, anyway? LinuxPPC, anyone?
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It's a strong estrogen and a causative factor in several forms of cancer, in infertility and reproductive abnormalities in those exposed in utero and even in their progeny.
Diethylstilbestrol is, like most hormones, a hazard to those who handle it, and there's precious few excuses for using it anymore; its use as an anti-abortive was based on faulty evidence.
Hydroxyl to carbonyl: let's not be so formyl.
Though it's a far cry from labelling, Stuff: The Secret Lives of Everyday Things goes into enough detail to make your average "vote with your wallet" environmentalist hide under her petroleum-synthesized polyester pillow (with chlorine-bleached pesticide-sprayed cotton pillowcase).
Just as foods probably have GMOs unless otherwise labelled, all that crap we buy has a certain index of pesticide-ridden foreign-assembled non-biodegradable impact unless produced by local organic hippies past the age of majority from locally-grown organic hemp. And if it is, you can be damn sure it'll be labelled as such so that the rest of us sucker consumer environmentalist pseudo-hippies can be sure to get it.
Because after seeing STIs, uterine tissues, botched abortions, prolapsed uteri, fistulae, dumb knocked-up chicks of all variations and tubal ligations all day, you'll be SO GLAD to get home and whack off to some normal girlies.
Right? Hahaha.
Argent, a crown within a rose leaf wreath vert, all within a bordure engrailed azure, semé of roses argent.
Oh, whoops. Wrong group of geeks.
Oregon's Million Man Lan was last fall. The server admins ditched the MML2k organiser and started the Northwest Lan Gaming Association, and they're doing The Promised Lan this spring.
Obligatory disclaimer: I used to date the Parid guy, and I came up with the name. And yes, we asked the Aussies first.
Be nice to that tpl.net server, kids. Oregon/Washington gamers, please go have a look. NWLANGA wants to make this a regular kind of thing.
Ursula K LeGuin...Works like "Left Hand of Darkness" are more human than OSC's Ender series, and more real then Heinlein. Though her settings change from futuristic neo-amerindian villages to classic sci-fi spaceships, her stories are always about the interactions of the characters, not "hey looky, I can call moss "pliflipthrop, and then it's a totally new fantastic world". She's uber, and after reading her I understood "social science fiction".
Bert's soft spot was for pigeons. Haven't you ever seen him do the pigeon dance?
Richter scale is logarithmic, remember. 1000*3 on richter scale doesn't equal 3000 on richter scale.
Resnet and I had an introduction like this:
Me: Hi, I wanted to make sure my setup is OK with you guys.
...
Them: Sure, we'll send a tech to make sure it's working.
Me: So in the cardboard box is my coyote linux box, and it serves DHCP to our network in here, and on the other side of the switch that's my debian and windows machines on the kvm switch...
Them (Eyes glazing over): Uh..think you're ok.
But the tech _did_ get some interaction with a female college student, so not all was lost.
Chicks like DSL and anime and pizza. That's how I got lured in.
He didn't use the words "geek" or "post-Columbine" even once! Has he been cured?
You betcha. Here in Oregon people voted in vote-by-mail a few years ago. No more polling stations for us, we punch out our ballot cards in the privacy of our own homes.
Not only that, we have this "double-majority" amendment wherein new tax measures can't be passed in primaries unless half the registered voter base votes in the election.
Never overestimate the laziness of a bunch of rednecks...
Part of the reason "gender" and "sex" have been redefined is that they do not include intersexual people and people who feel they have been biologically misassigned. Your example illustrates the dangers of assuming a child can be molded into another gender-based mindset, but it is also harmful to assume that a child automatically will consider him/herself of mindset that corresponds to her/his equipment.
The culture, both corporate and casual, in IT, is overwhelmingly male dominated. Smart girls who are willing to play the system can most definitely make it, but the odds shouldn't be any harder for them than for their male counterparts.
As for those middle school girls who don't like funny symbols and blinky lights, I hope they find something else they enjoy; I wouldn't want them cluttering up my machine room.
In a country where women are still triviliased as sex objects, molested in Central Park in broad daylight, barely granted the continuing right to an abortion, denied the right to sue rapists because of "state's jurisdiction" or what have you, how dare you argue that the playing field is level? Can you blame women for turning to fields where they have more support from other women?
If women choose not to go into technical fields because they're afraid of no support or having their talents ignored or when they were perfectly competent techies, then that's a shame and a loss for all of us. Those choices are not due to wiring, those are due to things we can and should change.
There is nothing inside our heads that discourages us from going into IT, but there are plenty of mysogynist assholes who do.
I hope you don't meen touchy-feely things like the crud Purple Moon puts out, trying to get girls to use computers by reinforcing sexual stereotypes and making them more relationshippy. There was an AP or Reuters story (can't find it now, sorry) a few weeks ago about a study that found women use the internet now as much as men, but for girly things like women.com--the same hoo-ha in women's magazines at the grocery store.
Dumbing things down to "appeal to women" may get my mom looking at martha stewart online but it's not going to attract women to programming, diddling with hardware or playing with unix.
If you mean there's a chicken-and-egg problem of support for women in IT you're right; people don't generally want to get involved in something no one they know does. That's why groups like Linux Chix and unix sluts are helpful, because they let women know they are not alone in their choice to go into techie things.
Some other posters have made mention of the girl who demands acceptance because she knows a little HTML. Whether this is as common as it seems or not, there is a burden on women in IT and other technical fields (physics, math) to be better than average just to justify their presence that does not fall upon the geeky male.
Like Miranda from UF and Ki from GPF,we not only have to fit in , we have to be really damn good just to be acceptable. Or, as Pitr demonstrates, our abilities are ignored.
This is not about "making everything 50%/50%", it is about not losing the potential contributions people have to offer fields because they feel pressured to go into something else. If, given equality to begin with, men and women really did choose to go in different directions, there would be no problem. But to assume that the field is level just because you or your friend Mathilda had no problems, and then chasitize women for not getting off their duffs and interested in technical fields, is extremely pompous and ignores the sexism and misogyny still common in American (Western?) society.
The only reason they seem to have for comparing the two OSes is that they're both not Microsoft spawn. What the hey? They begin by saying they're aimed at completely distinct markets, and end saying the same thing.
Then in the 'hardware compatibility' section they start mixing compatibility issues with issues about actual hardware. Wouldn't it make more sense to compare two OSs that actually run on the same hardware, anyway? LinuxPPC, anyone?