We tried to standardize on Java but it turns out that java wasn't the best solution for all situations. It "can" theoretically do everything since it was cross platform in our environment.
Since that disaster, we approached to using what we felt was the best solution for us for each project even though we were going to have a mixed environment. We used perl and python for testing, maintenance, web apps and utility scripts. Java was still being used for larger web applications. Like you wouldn't write a java application just to sent email reminders via cronjobs. Throw away scripts work well for that sort of thing. And now C# became the solution for us for building GUI applications.
C/C++ dying? What are they smoking?
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Demise of C++?
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IMHO, C/C++ is far from dying. It's getting stronger than ever atleast in the realm of software engineering. I see it finding it's nitch closer to the hardware and in core of advanced software where speed and optimization is important.
Like, you wouldn't write a 3D game engine in java, atleast not yet anyway. Look at KDE what is it written in? and Unreal? What is the JVM itself written in? and.NET?
I still see that software engineers are still using it heavily where as the rest of us mortals in the business realm, develop in other interpreted languages that can offer faster development time. Cost is everything, we programmers are no longer seen as an asset but more as a cost. Java and Lamp programmers are just cheaper.
I find it very unfortunate that schools are no longer teaching C++ and switching to Java. The end result is a more limited amount of advanced C++ programmers out there working on very important advanced applications.
Back when I was studing for a Linear Algebra exam in Junior College I programmed all of the possible equations in my TI-185. The language was essentially a limited form of Basic and I was sooo arrogant and confident in my amateur programming I changed all of my answers in the final exam to match my calculators answers. I was so sure at the time, the calculator was right.
Well it was almost ALL WRONG.
Surely, I must have programmed it wrong because I ended up failing big time but I managed to pass the course by the skin of my teeth!
I always wondered what my real mark would have been if I haven't use my calculator in the exam. I still have my TI-185 with me today, along with those original programs. Someday I'll debug and find out why but who cares I passed the f... course!:-)
Why do people get so worked up about that Brazilian?
Because he could have been you. Because someone was murdered.
It's a war, it's no more tragic if he's killed by the police or whether he's killed by a bomb.
Since when was this a war? Where's the enemy? Who's the enemy? Why do you go around labeling people? Is that how you distance yourself from the murdered "Brazilian" or another?
He could have very well been an "anglosaxen" or one of "you people".
I've had my hotmail since since it was created, I believe it's 1996? I believe I'm one of the first ones. Unfortunately, I'm so lazy to use something else, so I just stuck with it and still use it almost daily.
Personally, I don't care what microsoft does with hotmail but if it comes to the point where I can't use it for emails. It's gone.
I agree, you took the words out of my mouth. As someone that has actually done this, he'll find that his time is a lot more than 1%.
Anything that comes up will be a distraction from his programming, even the smallest thing can force a programmer to lose his concentration from what he was just doing a few minutes ago!
I have done the same thing as send up some kind of helpdesk system, I installed RT (request tracker), unfortunately even with a large number of requests, my boss didn't even take into consideration. I'm guesing from experience he's just going to look at each task and time it (prioritize). (15 min, 30 min, etc..)
Bad boss says: "See John, it doesn't take much of your time, they're mostly small". I'll just answer, "there's 300 of them sir."
Perhaps he should ask for more money? he'll deserve it from doing two jobs!
I simpathize with you, I too had a bad boss, but his behavior is very disturbing.
However, despite this please don't just leave and jet early because you'll still need his good reference. 6-7 years of hard work and I'm shocked that he doesn't show you any respect. It's normal for employees to leave and that's the risk employers must take. Also any good manager will always cross-train employees, so your work still continues. If he hasn't done this then this is his fault.
I agree with you 100% here. You didn't need to post that anonymous. Why not pay for the commercial license?
I'm not opposed to using commercial software on linux platforms. Like I paid for the IDE(Komodo) I'm using because I liked it. Bitkeeper is good software worth paying for and by all means Linus will be getting his right to their customer support.
I for one never believed that the Linux kernel depended on a commercial entity or commercial product, there's nothing stopping Linus or the community to move the kernel source to something else.
It's not that Linus is cheap, I think his decision is based on principle of free and open software but I think he should use the right tool for the right job. my two cents.
I think this brings up the issue of using proprietary languages such as VB. If VB was an industry standard language ISOed and used accross other platforms then these programmers wouldn't be completely stranded.
Microsoft doesn't care about standards or do not have any responsibility, they don't give the "hoot" about those programmers only that they are currently standing in their way to continue their market dominance.
And a lot of businesses like an OS that is very stable, if not that cool or up to date. The one time that I saw Solaris crash was due to hardware errors (and there were quite some Solaris workstations situated at university). Yes, I've seen Linux crashes, before you ask.
Compuware is a good example that set up shop here. Here they can take advantage of a weaker dollar, tax benefits and perhaps grants from the provincial and federal gov'ts. You can't beat the location. It's outsourced and very close proximity to the states. The cost of living is much lower, unfortunately you can get highly technical people for less.
I tried FC1 for a while and I find it very buggy. For the very first time, I didn't trust it enough to put it in production! It is basically the old redhat but they don't test it as much.
I prefer to have a distro that works instead of always trying to find runarounds due to bugs.
I nolonger need tools to edit config files. I just need stable packages, updates and security patches that works.
Before I give up, I'm going to give Fedora Core 2 another look. Debian is looking might good to me right now.
After so many firmware upgrades and security holes. I decided to rid our company of cisco routers altogether and replaced them with linux boxes. So far it's handling our 100 Megabyte pipe with no problems. Our company peaks as 40 Megs per second everyday. I've been really impressed with my linux box. Is there anyone else who has done the same?
In my IT department we are all crammed in a small room with 8 desks, 8 workstations, and 12 PCs, 2 UPSs and 1 big net printer used to support our website. We have your air-conditioner on 24 hour 365 days a year. We pile the PCs on our desks to have more walking space. Last week we had an extreme cold spell with -35 degrees outside but inside it was a sauna. We keep the air-conditioner running non-stop. We open and close the window all the time. The air quality is very poor because on our floor we keep a gold smelting furnace with produces a film of sutt on our desks over time. In my drawer I keep a gas mask just in case if I ever smell amnonia in the air. Eventually I will get sick from the dust and get lung cancer or asma. I also get sick all the time. Did I mention the work is stressful too?
Ever played Baren Realms? I was addicted to that one as well.
You had to build your realm (regions) and military and fight other realms.
Re:Java has it's place, but it has problems
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The Future of Java?
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Starting with the jdk1.3.1_x series Java has been pretty peppy. JDK 1.4.1_x is downright speedy. Do a google search. On the server, Java is very fast and even some Swing apps can beat native code. Java in 1998 was slow. Java today is not. Get over it and stop living in the past
I'm sorry but I disagree. Java 1.4.1 is an improvement but I don't know where you get this idea that swing apps can beat native code.
Java is still slow today as it was yesterday. Computers just got faster.
I too loved the FreeBSD ports system and wished Linux would have one. Gentoo is finally it!
Instead of ports they call it portage. To update your ports you would use: emerge rsync; to update everything you installed use: emerge world;
I haven't read about something like make build kernel in Gentoo yet. What I do is get the latest source using emerge gentoo-sources; then do the usual:
make menuconfig then
make dep bzImage blah blah.
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We tried to standardize on Java but it turns out that java wasn't the best solution for all situations. It "can" theoretically do everything since it was cross platform in our environment.
Since that disaster, we approached to using what we felt was the best solution for us for each project even though we were going to have a mixed environment. We used perl and python for testing, maintenance, web apps and utility scripts. Java was still being used for larger web applications. Like you wouldn't write a java application just to sent email reminders via cronjobs. Throw away scripts work well for that sort of thing. And now C# became the solution for us for building GUI applications.
IMHO, C/C++ is far from dying. It's getting stronger than ever atleast in the realm of software engineering. I see it finding it's nitch closer to the hardware and in core of advanced software where speed and optimization is important.
Like, you wouldn't write a 3D game engine in java, atleast not yet anyway.
Look at KDE what is it written in? and Unreal? What is the JVM itself written in? and
I still see that software engineers are still using it heavily where as the rest of us mortals in the business realm, develop in other interpreted languages that can offer faster development time. Cost is everything, we programmers are no longer seen as an asset but more as a cost. Java and Lamp programmers are just cheaper.
I find it very unfortunate that schools are no longer teaching C++ and switching to Java.
The end result is a more limited amount of advanced C++ programmers out there working on very important advanced applications.
Back when I was studing for a Linear Algebra exam in Junior College I programmed all of the possible equations in my TI-185. The language was essentially a limited form of Basic and I was sooo arrogant and confident in my amateur programming I changed all of my answers in the final exam to match my calculators answers. I was so sure at the time, the calculator was right.
:-)
Well it was almost ALL WRONG.
Surely, I must have programmed it wrong because I ended up failing big time but I managed to pass the course by the skin of my teeth!
I always wondered what my real mark would have been if I haven't use my calculator in the exam. I still have my TI-185 with me today, along with those original programs. Someday I'll debug and find out why but who cares I passed the f... course!
Why do people get so worked up about that Brazilian?
Because he could have been you.
Because someone was murdered.
It's a war, it's no more tragic if he's killed by the police or whether he's killed by a bomb.
Since when was this a war?
Where's the enemy?
Who's the enemy?
Why do you go around labeling people?
Is that how you distance yourself from the murdered "Brazilian" or another?
He could have very well been an "anglosaxen" or one of "you people".
I've had my hotmail since since it was created, I believe it's 1996? I believe I'm one of the first ones. Unfortunately, I'm so lazy to use something else, so I just stuck with it and still use it almost daily.
Personally, I don't care what microsoft does with hotmail but if it comes to the point where I can't use it for emails. It's gone.
I agree, you took the words out of my mouth. As someone that has actually done this, he'll find that his time is a lot more than 1%.
Anything that comes up will be a distraction from his programming, even the smallest thing can force a programmer to lose his concentration from what he was just doing a few minutes ago!
I have done the same thing as send up some kind of helpdesk system, I installed RT (request tracker), unfortunately even with a large number of requests, my boss didn't even take into consideration. I'm guesing from experience he's just going to look at each task and time it (prioritize). (15 min, 30 min, etc..)
Bad boss says: "See John, it doesn't take much of your time, they're mostly small". I'll just answer, "there's 300 of them sir."
Perhaps he should ask for more money? he'll deserve it from doing two jobs!
I simpathize with you, I too had a bad boss, but his behavior is very disturbing.
However, despite this please don't just leave and jet early because you'll still need his good reference. 6-7 years of hard work and I'm shocked that he doesn't show you any respect. It's normal for employees to leave and that's the risk employers must take. Also any good manager will always cross-train employees, so your work still continues. If he hasn't done this then this is his fault.
Goodluck.
Nicely said and a lot of your points are valid, after doing actual work on solaris boxes, I must say it is a very mature OS.
You have a feeling of polish that you don't get from a linux distribution.
I really hate zealots. It's always the same, "linux is number one for everything, no matter what"
Linux still beats Solaris' performance on the x86 platform but I'm very happy with its improvements and I'm quite pleased that it's free, as in beer.
Hopefully with time even the linux zealots will appreciate Sun's hardwork and opening solaris.
However, having said that, it looks like Moore's law finally has caught up to sun risc boxes and they're much more affordable now.
I agree with you 100% here. You didn't need to post that anonymous. Why not pay for the commercial license?
I'm not opposed to using commercial software on linux platforms. Like I paid for the IDE(Komodo) I'm using because I liked it. Bitkeeper is good software worth paying for and by all means Linus will be getting his right to their customer support.
I for one never believed that the Linux kernel depended on a commercial entity or commercial product, there's nothing stopping Linus or the community to move the kernel source to something else.
It's not that Linus is cheap, I think his decision is based on principle of free and open software but I think he should use the right tool for the right job.
my two cents.
Perforce is pretty stable, I like it alot. It sure beats using CVS. ... for now.
It is currently free for open source projects
I think this brings up the issue of using proprietary languages such as VB. If VB was an industry standard language ISOed and used accross other platforms then these programmers wouldn't be completely stranded.
Microsoft doesn't care about standards or do not have any responsibility, they don't give the "hoot" about those programmers only that they are currently standing in their way to continue their market dominance.
Canada sucks, just my humble opinion and I'm a canadian.
And a lot of businesses like an OS that is very stable, if not that cool or up to date. The one time that I saw Solaris crash was due to hardware errors (and there were quite some Solaris workstations situated at university). Yes, I've seen Linux crashes, before you ask.
It's true those sun sparc boxes are very stable.
It's not just French companies. American as well.
Compuware is a good example that set up shop here.
Here they can take advantage of a weaker dollar, tax benefits and perhaps grants from the provincial and federal gov'ts. You can't beat the location. It's outsourced and very close proximity to the states.
The cost of living is much lower, unfortunately you can get highly technical people for less.
I'm just happy for the work, so I can't complain.
I stuck with Redhat 9 for all my servers for now.
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At home I use Gentoo and E-smith SME server
I tried FC1 for a while and I find it very buggy. For the very first time, I didn't trust it enough to put it in production! It is basically the old redhat but they don't test it as much.
I prefer to have a distro that works instead of always trying to find runarounds due to bugs.
I nolonger need tools to edit config files. I just need stable packages, updates and security patches that works.
Before I give up, I'm going to give Fedora Core 2 another look. Debian is looking might good to me right now.
After so many firmware upgrades and security holes. I decided to rid our company of cisco routers altogether and replaced them with linux boxes. So far it's handling our 100 Megabyte pipe with no problems. Our company peaks as 40 Megs per second everyday. I've been really impressed with my linux box.
Is there anyone else who has done the same?
In my IT department we are all crammed in a small room with 8 desks, 8 workstations, and 12 PCs, 2 UPSs and 1 big net printer used to support our website. We have your air-conditioner on 24 hour 365 days a year. We pile the PCs on our desks to have more walking space.
Last week we had an extreme cold spell with -35 degrees outside but inside it was a sauna.
We keep the air-conditioner running non-stop. We open and close the window all the time. The air quality is very poor because on our floor we keep a gold smelting furnace with produces a film of sutt on our desks over time. In my drawer I keep a gas mask just in case if I ever smell amnonia in the air.
Eventually I will get sick from the dust and get lung cancer or asma. I also get sick all the time. Did I mention the work is stressful too?
I played those religiously.
Ever played Baren Realms? I was addicted to that one as well.
You had to build your realm (regions) and military and fight other realms.
Starting with the jdk1.3.1_x series Java has been pretty peppy. JDK 1.4.1_x is downright speedy. Do a google search. On the server, Java is very fast and even some Swing apps can beat native code. Java in 1998 was slow. Java today is not. Get over it and stop living in the past
I'm sorry but I disagree. Java 1.4.1 is an improvement but I don't know where you get this idea that swing apps can beat native code. Java is still slow today as it was yesterday. Computers just got faster.
We will soon see the end of Flash and the end of Cold Fusion.
When I was in portugal. Cable was expanding into my area a lot sooner than DSL and I wasn't living very far from Lisbon.
I still keep contact with my family over there and cable reigns supreme there. DSL is just starting.
That's it for windows programming. Microsoft will have aboslutely everything. They're going to buy and shut it down.
I for one am very glad to hear about this.
This release promises a whole new freebsd kernel. I hope it brings them success. Congratulations on the hard work guys.
college debt my friend.
I too loved the FreeBSD ports system and wished Linux would have one.
Gentoo is finally it!
Instead of ports they call it portage.
To update your ports you would use:
emerge rsync;
to update everything you installed use:
emerge world;
I haven't read about something like make build kernel in Gentoo yet. What I do is get the latest source using emerge gentoo-sources;
then do the usual:
make menuconfig then
make dep bzImage blah blah.
its been great for me so far.
give it a shot if you like.