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Well, you miss a point yourself I think.
Remove the gov't and big corporations will jump any opportunity to screw the customer of more money. "Free to negotiate a contract" will need government and laws, because without those, a big corporation that is the only provider of a product will screw the customer of rights/money/etc, and who is free with that?
Re:Can you name one we WERE ready for?
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You're not claiming humankind invented water or oxygen or rocks do you? Or that water is a technology?
We did invent religion thought, and isn't that the killer of all times?
Im not joking. Take a look at the current situation. Give companies the lawful power to make you accept any contract or license (UCITA, DMCA, shrink-wrap-crap, whatever...), and the market is still free. People, however aren't free, since the only product providers there are in some market parts will all use these methods. Means --> Free Market, yes, free people, no.
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Free. Market.
Oh yeah, I see the Free Market. But where did all the free people go...?
Ok, I can understand that point. But the problem is Mozilla allows you to lock the password file. But what if you dont? Most users wont. The security problems for example IE has wont be much for a/. user, the problem is when it comes to all the clueless people out there who hardly know how to handle a computer.
- Save the passwords? Oh how convenient...
I refuse to call something intended for broad public use secure, until it's secure by default.
Whats the use in having a burglar alarm if you dont tell anyone how to turn it on?
Also, it still has to be reversably-encrypted, the passwords have to be sent plaintext. All someone really has to do is to get someone's password file, and run it through a password cracker with a huge list of words, and he'll break it if the user isn't exremely security-minded.
Hmmmm... but if you're going to save a password to disk, it's always going to have to be in a reversable form isnt it? I mean, most of the damn things are actually sent as plaintext in the end. Only way I can see is to password protect the passwords... but thats kinda worthless.
The Mozilla Crypto FAQ. Read it. It explains how the developers will return to release this source and include it with Mozilla later, when the patents expire. Or maybe you'd rather they broke the patent and made the whole damn browser illegal?
Yes I have to agree to that... I don't use IE more than I have to, because I don't like the way it's a security disaster, saving passwords like that and letting bad code run on your machine a little here and there. It made me so sad when Mozilla asked me to save a password... Come on guys make something new! Something good! Whats the use for the crypto if we're gonna handle passwords like that? I've had my hopes high for Mozilla... but M14 seems to do a worse job at rendering where M13 did just fine so I'm not sure what to think now...
Yupp... But we're not talking contracts, we're talking licenses. If you don't want to settle for a tent, you gotta get a house from a house dealer involved with the HMAA (House Maker Association of America), and they all have the licenses. They arent negotiable.
Also, all of your points about competition are worthless; There is no competition! Sure I can watch backyard movies where the only cool thing is the funky camera movements cause the cameraman was on drugs... but if I want to watch a decent-quality movie, I agree to the license and shut up. No negotiable contract, no competition. Just one big association and a license.
Complain and see if they listen. Complain to people and see if they wanna live in tents. Complain to government and see if youre heard. Boycott and live in your tent. Support tents. But where will that really get you, except out camping?
Anyway, the main point I want to make is, while you're campaigning for freedom, remember to take others' freedom into account, and take into account how the policies you're advocating will affect the freedom of others.
In what way does my freedom to view my paid-(alot-)for movie in Swaziland or Zimbabwe if i so wish hurt the artists' right to sell that movie? Why should the companies have a right to suck my money out of my wallet just because I happen to live in Europe instead of the US?
In what way does the removal of the DMCA means it's suddenly legal to copy songs? Ever heard of copyright law? The DMCA complaints are not about copy restriction, theyre mainly about restrictions of use.
Your house is yours. You paid for it. But you may not have more than 3 people at the same time in it, or the company that built it may sue you and disable your house's functionality without prior notice. There's no time limit after which the house becomes public property, but there is a time limit on how long you may use it. Sure, you paid for the house, but the company that built it will disable its functionallity if you dont pay per use, which means you need to deposit a quarter each time you go through the front door.
You have a bookshelf in your house with some books in it that you bought. You can only read those books once each, or you need to pay the author again if you want to reread it or look something up. Your encyclopedia is riddled with advertising banners.
One day your oven has an electrical failure and puts your son on fire. He gets severe burns and is treated in hospital for months. An investigation shows that a very simple error in the oven's design caused the accident, and that the company that made it could have fixed it easily for you. You may not sue the company, because there was a shrink-wrap license with it that you agreed to when you opened the oven the first time, making the company not liable for any damage whatsoever. In fact, the company that made your oven sues you for talking about it in public, which was agains the license agreement to.
We can keep comparing software to the real world with these good new laws like the DMCA and UCITA in place if you want, but i sure hope you've gotten my point by now.
Hmmm... I just tried it out (Win32). M13 seemed to render pages just fine to me, but M14 seems to get spaces between tables and table backgrounds among other things all wrong... anyone else notice something like that?
Noted some improvements though... I sure hope they get this thing into a good usable state soon.
I'm using a binary of Mozilla to write this, on Win32. If you take a look at the Mozilla binary releases I'm sure you'll find it's far away from Linux-x86 only.
I understand what you mean, I've seen bunches of these "binary=linux-x86" only programs... but I don't think it'll apply in this case.
Thats my point duh... I may think it's ok and nice to warez M$ programs, but look at it from a law standpoint and it isn't ok. Breaking a license is breaking a license, no matter how you look at it. You may think it's a stupid license, but you should've thought about that before you agreed to it, unless youre willing to stand up for what you've done (possibly in court).
As a side note, all the M$ software I use is paid for...
Slade is using this tactic because I can feel a true willing to protect the cheating the game can have. Hey I know many/. readers are hackers, but let me tell you I just plainly can't stand the cheaters who are going to spoil my game.. Slade doesn't want this cheating too -- Therefore, because he truly believe that violating the GPL, by not releasing the sources, seems to help, he is using what almost anyone won't even think about, because using this behavior can put yourself against the law: civil disobedience. I admire him. He is defying the law, and publicly stating it. No one will budge him. Not even the Quake Creator Lord himself.
<SARCASM>Cool... when did this happen? I didn't know it was Ok to break the law because some assholes were being assholes and ruining your game!</SARCASM>
Now look... If someone cheats in a football game, do you run off and kill him? No you don't, no matter how much you'd want to. It's against the law. So is this.
Ok, I could get moderated down for this post. I'm not stating that what he does is Right. But let me tell one thing: as a believer of the open-source community, I really would like to see his project respecting the GPL. As a gamer, I don't want cheating, and on this point, only the restricting of the source code seems to help - if you have another VALID solution, then by all means, e-mail Slade.
If you'd even bothered to read the discussion here before posting, you'd have found that several such attempts/offers have already been made. Guess if he accepted them? Actually, Slade's project competes with several other legal ways to do the same thing. His project never will respect the GPL, so why not just look at one of the other projects, and lend your support there instead?
Question is does looking at porn actually cause harm to said person?
There's a (swedish I beleive) documentary on the subject of porn --> damage. It's called "shocking truth". In it I beleive, it's shown a filming of a porn movie, a girl whos first damaged so bad they can't continue filming the normal fucking. So they then continue filming as they do it to her ass. Until she's bleeding too bad from there too. The producers wanted to go on anyway.
And the movie that came of it? Just your normal porn movie, nothing bad in any way.
If there weren't a broad public (well, hidden, but still common and in a way, public) demand for it, would it be done? No, of course not.
Let's ask the next question... has the producers' cutting out the bleeding made the act any better, just because you don't see it when you watch the movie? No. The problem at hand here is with the porn itself, and the way children are brought up with sex as a nono to speak of. If we instead bring children up with sex as being a natural thing, connected to love (and of course teach them the reasonable guidelines around it), the problem of people madly looking for porn at public libraries will be a non-issue.
In this way, we can compare the blocking software to cutting out the bleeding parts. It doesnt make the problem go away. Why? Because it addresses the effect of the problem, and not the problem itself.
Everyone who gets fed up with a program at one point (partly humoursly) says "I HATE BILL GATES!" assuming he's the one who screwed up their computer. People are quick to say that since he's the richest man in the world, and he's in charge of Microsoft, it must have been HIM that wrote every single line of code in every single product -- Therefore, this blue screen is HIS FAULT.
Of course it isn't! "Microsoft takes no responsibility for anything at all in this product, if it works for you, we're the best, if it doesn't, it's your fault
By reading this text you're agreeing to the above license agreement."
The average employee working on products? Sure they know. If you read the interviews with MS employees, such as during the trial, to a person they say they fear the competition and try to do their best to crush them.
No, of course it's not the common employee. The coders do their best for sure, wanting to beat the competition with a better product. Thats competing maneuvers.
But someone is doing all the forcing unfair licenses onto customers, making companies include IE and no other browser software on systems, etc, etc, etc... That is a competition killing marketing maneuver. It's not the common employee... and it'd be interesting to know who it is, and if the common employees know about it.
Sure, I agree to lots of what youre saying, but...
Also, as others point out, electronic documentation isn't very helpful when my problem revolves around the computer not operating.
In this case, a CD will be equally worthless, wont it? And if you're talking about the newbie that cant get his box online, then a CD will be equally worthless for the newbie that doesn't know how to mount his CD's filesystem.
In general though, I think a CD collection with everything in one place, properly indexed with a good search engine would be a great thing.
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Remove the gov't and big corporations will jump any opportunity to screw the customer of more money. "Free to negotiate a contract" will need government and laws, because without those, a big corporation that is the only provider of a product will screw the customer of rights/money/etc, and who is free with that?
We did invent religion thought, and isn't that the killer of all times?
Im not joking. Take a look at the current situation. Give companies the lawful power to make you accept any contract or license (UCITA, DMCA, shrink-wrap-crap, whatever...), and the market is still free. People, however aren't free, since the only product providers there are in some market parts will all use these methods. Means --> Free Market, yes, free people, no.
Oh yeah, I see the Free Market. But where did all the free people go...?
Yes it is.
It's not the government's job to maintain network security. That's a form of corporate welfare.
Isn't that kinda like using "it's not the government's job to maintain house security" as a reason to not have laws against burglaries?
- Save the passwords? Oh how convenient...
I refuse to call something intended for broad public use secure, until it's secure by default.
Whats the use in having a burglar alarm if you dont tell anyone how to turn it on?
Also, it still has to be reversably-encrypted, the passwords have to be sent plaintext. All someone really has to do is to get someone's password file, and run it through a password cracker with a huge list of words, and he'll break it if the user isn't exremely security-minded.
No, I'd much rather it came from the hands of Bill Gauyetes.
Internet Explorer has been proven to be far more standards compliant than any of the so-called browsers that run on Linux.
Of course it's easy to make a "standards-compliant" browser when you can make your own standards and then force everyone to accept it.
Ever heard the joke? How many microsoft programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they declare darkness to be a new standard.
Hmmmm... but if you're going to save a password to disk, it's always going to have to be in a reversable form isnt it? I mean, most of the damn things are actually sent as plaintext in the end. Only way I can see is to password protect the passwords... but thats kinda worthless.
The Mozilla Crypto FAQ. Read it. It explains how the developers will return to release this source and include it with Mozilla later, when the patents expire. Or maybe you'd rather they broke the patent and made the whole damn browser illegal?
Think before you post...
Yes I have to agree to that... I don't use IE more than I have to, because I don't like the way it's a security disaster, saving passwords like that and letting bad code run on your machine a little here and there. It made me so sad when Mozilla asked me to save a password... Come on guys make something new! Something good! Whats the use for the crypto if we're gonna handle passwords like that? I've had my hopes high for Mozilla... but M14 seems to do a worse job at rendering where M13 did just fine so I'm not sure what to think now...
Yupp... But we're not talking contracts, we're talking licenses. If you don't want to settle for a tent, you gotta get a house from a house dealer involved with the HMAA (House Maker Association of America), and they all have the licenses. They arent negotiable.
Also, all of your points about competition are worthless; There is no competition! Sure I can watch backyard movies where the only cool thing is the funky camera movements cause the cameraman was on drugs... but if I want to watch a decent-quality movie, I agree to the license and shut up. No negotiable contract, no competition. Just one big association and a license.
Complain and see if they listen. Complain to people and see if they wanna live in tents. Complain to government and see if youre heard. Boycott and live in your tent. Support tents. But where will that really get you, except out camping?
In what way does my freedom to view my paid-(alot-)for movie in Swaziland or Zimbabwe if i so wish hurt the artists' right to sell that movie? Why should the companies have a right to suck my money out of my wallet just because I happen to live in Europe instead of the US?
In what way does the removal of the DMCA means it's suddenly legal to copy songs? Ever heard of copyright law? The DMCA complaints are not about copy restriction, theyre mainly about restrictions of use.
Your house is yours. You paid for it. But you may not have more than 3 people at the same time in it, or the company that built it may sue you and disable your house's functionality without prior notice. There's no time limit after which the house becomes public property, but there is a time limit on how long you may use it. Sure, you paid for the house, but the company that built it will disable its functionallity if you dont pay per use, which means you need to deposit a quarter each time you go through the front door.
You have a bookshelf in your house with some books in it that you bought. You can only read those books once each, or you need to pay the author again if you want to reread it or look something up. Your encyclopedia is riddled with advertising banners.
One day your oven has an electrical failure and puts your son on fire. He gets severe burns and is treated in hospital for months. An investigation shows that a very simple error in the oven's design caused the accident, and that the company that made it could have fixed it easily for you. You may not sue the company, because there was a shrink-wrap license with it that you agreed to when you opened the oven the first time, making the company not liable for any damage whatsoever. In fact, the company that made your oven sues you for talking about it in public, which was agains the license agreement to.
We can keep comparing software to the real world with these good new laws like the DMCA and UCITA in place if you want, but i sure hope you've gotten my point by now.
Noted some improvements though... I sure hope they get this thing into a good usable state soon.
I understand what you mean, I've seen bunches of these "binary=linux-x86" only programs... but I don't think it'll apply in this case.
As a side note, all the M$ software I use is paid for...
<SARCASM>Cool... when did this happen? I didn't know it was Ok to break the law because some assholes were being assholes and ruining your game!</SARCASM>
Now look... If someone cheats in a football game, do you run off and kill him? No you don't, no matter how much you'd want to. It's against the law. So is this.
Ok, I could get moderated down for this post. I'm not stating that what he does is Right. But let me tell one thing: as a believer of the open-source community, I really would like to see his project respecting the GPL. As a gamer, I don't want cheating, and on this point, only the restricting of the source code seems to help - if you have another VALID solution, then by all means, e-mail Slade.
If you'd even bothered to read the discussion here before posting, you'd have found that several such attempts/offers have already been made. Guess if he accepted them? Actually, Slade's project competes with several other legal ways to do the same thing. His project never will respect the GPL, so why not just look at one of the other projects, and lend your support there instead?
There's a (swedish I beleive) documentary on the subject of porn --> damage. It's called "shocking truth". In it I beleive, it's shown a filming of a porn movie, a girl whos first damaged so bad they can't continue filming the normal fucking. So they then continue filming as they do it to her ass. Until she's bleeding too bad from there too. The producers wanted to go on anyway.
And the movie that came of it? Just your normal porn movie, nothing bad in any way.
If there weren't a broad public (well, hidden, but still common and in a way, public) demand for it, would it be done? No, of course not.
Let's ask the next question... has the producers' cutting out the bleeding made the act any better, just because you don't see it when you watch the movie? No. The problem at hand here is with the porn itself, and the way children are brought up with sex as a nono to speak of. If we instead bring children up with sex as being a natural thing, connected to love (and of course teach them the reasonable guidelines around it), the problem of people madly looking for porn at public libraries will be a non-issue.
In this way, we can compare the blocking software to cutting out the bleeding parts. It doesnt make the problem go away. Why? Because it addresses the effect of the problem, and not the problem itself.
Of course it isn't!
"Microsoft takes no responsibility for anything at all in this product, if it works for you, we're the best, if it doesn't, it's your fault
By reading this text you're agreeing to the above license agreement."
No, of course it's not the common employee. The coders do their best for sure, wanting to beat the competition with a better product. Thats competing maneuvers.
But someone is doing all the forcing unfair licenses onto customers, making companies include IE and no other browser software on systems, etc, etc, etc... That is a competition killing marketing maneuver. It's not the common employee... and it'd be interesting to know who it is, and if the common employees know about it.
I guess that puts Uri Geller out of business though... should be a good thing.
Also, as others point out, electronic documentation isn't very helpful when my problem revolves around the computer not operating.
In this case, a CD will be equally worthless, wont it? And if you're talking about the newbie that cant get his box online, then a CD will be equally worthless for the newbie that doesn't know how to mount his CD's filesystem.
In general though, I think a CD collection with everything in one place, properly indexed with a good search engine would be a great thing.
Uh, okay... so what do I need a spoon for then?
Even more interesting... who gets paid?
Scalable to a very small extent yes.