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Mozilla Milestone 14 Awaits
Anderson Silva (among others) zapped us the news that you can now grab Mozilla's M14 release (Seamonkey). The Mozilla Organization's site doesn't yet reflect M14's availability, but it will soon. For now, here are the release notes. So grab, test, and gripe -- bug reports will only make the Mozilla browser better.
I get a feeling the reason the release wasn't announced was to give a chance for it to propagate to automatic mirrors before announcing it. This is true of a lot of releases, by the way .
Looks like this browser is starting to actually become usable. I'm counting the days until I can finally ditch Netscape 4.x for good for my graphical browsing needs and still have a browser that has full functionality.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
I have just downloaded the build, its certainly getting more stable and faster (Win98 version)
Ok, lets get cracking in finding bugs, and submit them to BugZilla...
Can anyone tell me if the Linux version is any faster than previous builds?
Anyway, its getting there.. finally...
where is it?
I'm writing this in mozilla M14 right now, and I've one thing to say about it : the fonts are still AWFUL! See Mozilla Bug # 29726 for my report and screenshots - does everyone else see this problem? Any ideas what to do?
My Mozilla keeps crashing when I try to download the new one. Did it three times in a row now
I love the new startup screen that has mozilla on it. It's about time we started seeing his face somewhere on this.
Pavlov increased drawing performance on Linux by at least 2x, scrolling by 5x.
Worth looking at.
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"They misunderestimated me." --George W Bush, Nov. 6, 2000
Check out http://www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html for a list of download mirrors.
#include "disclaim.h"
"All the best people in life seem to like LINUX." - Steve Wozniak
#include "disclaim.h"
"All the best people in life seem to like LINUX." - Steve Wozniak
(see topic)
Hrrrm. I guess I should expect that it would take longer to build the Mac release... but if the Win32 release is already out... hrrrrm.
To the editors: your English is as bad as your Perl. Please go back to grade school.
Mozilla looks VERY nice on win32 (I'm at work right now). The dailybuilds have been getting MUCh fatser, and that debug window has finally been hidden.
I really like the looks of that Mozilla splash screen. Anybody know where I can get that image (aside from taking a screen shot when moz is starting)?
If anyone is interested, I've written an article on the release on Betanews.com:
Here.
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"They misunderestimated me." --George W Bush, Nov. 6, 2000
I was wondering if anyone can tell me how to be able to enter Japanese text in Mozilla for Linux. Currently, I have Netscape 4.6 working under i386/Debian with kinput2. If anyone has an answer please post. (I seem to recall I could read Japanese text just fine. kinput2 doesn't come up like it should...)
So, I downloaded the M14 for Linux (with Talkback support). All I can say is - huh? I ran it for maybe 15 minutes and have had it crash already a dozen times - even on pages that are supposed to be verified (like www.cnn.com).
:^\
I know that this is alpha software, but my impression of the road to M14 was supposed to make it so that people could use it as their full time browser - and thus squash more bugs.
It crashed the first time I loaded it before getting through the profile creation process.
I've been rooting for Mozilla for a long time now and have been apologetic - I keep telling people to give them a month or two, to wait for the next Milestone. I was very disappointed with it as I had had high hopes for this release (which has been much touted as the push for stability). Am I the only one? Was it built against different shared libraries than what I'm running? Is it better than Netscape 4.7 for anyone (which I've heard before)?
Well, I give up for now - I'll wait until the official launch and see how it is then . . .
I'm jaded
Mozilla (on Linux) crashed twice on me as I was trying to post a message here. The first time, I was complaining about the slow UI (menu draw slowly, right mouse button menu comes up slowly), but now I think I'll just complain about the crashing.
And oh, a wonderful trembling screen effect. When I switch from 'html formatted' and 'plain old text' the whole text box literally trembles.
BTW the source code for M14 should follow on the FTP site soon. If you can buld for other platforms please do so and contribute your builds back to Mozilla. See here for details of packaging your own milestone build for your platform.
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Is anyone working on a newer OpenBSD port of Mozilla? The one in the port tree is REALLY old.
What about NetBSD? I think they are in the same state as OpenBSD, but i dont know.
:wq
But there are still 500 bugs targeted for M14
I saw M13 get whittled down to zaroo boogs, then it came out, I assumed the same for M14. Does this have anything to do with Netscape wanting to get a Communicator 6.0 beta out ASAP?
Mozillazine is a website manned by helpful volunteers hoping to make Mozilla the best browser possible. If you are unsure as to how to get started bug testing, I recommend stopping by #mozillazine for a friendly chat.
As anyone been able to use mozilla on Linux with 100dpi fonts? I'm running 1600x1200 on a 17", so 100dpi fonts are vital! No matter what I chose in the font preferences, I'm still stuck with 75dpi fonts, which is simply unreadable.
Besides that, for me M14 seems to be even less stable than the two previous builds (It took me 5 minutes to crash it, doing nothing unusual).
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
What I am worried about is the mailer. The mailer in mozilla, even M14, is atrocious. The UI has so many different styles going on at the same time, it makes me queasy. The widgets are constantly jumping around on the screen. And of course it is hideously slow.
Today, Communicator is the only viable IMAP mail client for X. Sure, there are dozens of alleged mail agents, but they invariably have some huge glaring usability problem that turn me away. I'll be pretty depressed if the Mozilla mailer sucks and I have to keep 4.72 laying aroung just for the mailer.
-jwb
I've been using last-night nightly build for the last several hours, and (on my machine) it hasn't crashed. I know that on some machines the luck is not so good. But I'm using a newer version of glibc than the computer that built it was(i use libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 and it was built for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2), i had to symlink the libs, and it still works great.
Note: If you are using woody, until the debian build comes out mozilla won't run out-of-the-box on your computer, symlink libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 to libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 , then it should work(at least it did for me).
It seems that more sites don't render correctly with M14 than with M13. I'm using Linux.
Try
www.wired.com
www.cnn.com (minor glitches)
www.zdnet.com
And did I mention how horribly slow the whole thing is? It seems to lock up my poor P200 whenever a page is rendering.
I'm very happy that Mozilla is happening and that its in a pretty usable state now, but it seems that every time I actually try a new version, it is unnaturally slow. (Netscape 4.7 is -much- faster at rendering large pages).
Can any mozilla developers answer this?
I know that there is supposedly lots of debugging code enabled (which could be a big part of it), but has anyone tried an optimized build without the debugging overhead? How's the speed compare to netscape and, more importantly, IE?
(all my testing has been done on Linux)
Mozilla releases these milestone checkpoints with the hopes that lots of people will take a look and give some feedback. Bug reports are the best way to give this feedback. Mozilla's bug database Bugzilla (located at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org ) provides some really nice tools for reporting bugs and feature requests. Before reporting any bugs it is a good idea to give the database a query to see if your bug has already been reported. This will save mozilla QA a lot of time weeding through duplicate bug reports. You can search the database at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi . Start off with simple searches in the Description field. If that yields too many bugs to weed through you might add more to the search. If you find your bug reported please add any relevant comments to that bug report. If you find that your bug is not reported then please take a quick glance at the bug reporting guidelines before making your report. These guidelines will help you report a bug that developers and QA can track down and fix more swiftly. The bug reporting guidelines ca be found at http://www.mozilla.org/quality/bug-writing-guideli nes.html . If you are new to the process you might try the new Bugzilla Helper which will guide you through the process. Remember that the better the report the more quickly it will get confirmed, assigned and fixed. Thanks, and enjoy M14 (for those that like to stay on the bleeding edge, M15 cycle nightly builds have been available for a few days now.)
Asa
external QA on the Mozilla project
Also check the frequently reported bugs page and the most popular bugs query. If you're really bored you can even look at the bugs I submitted.
I got the impression that M14 was not much more than just another nightly build with the label M14 slapped onto it - Netscape engineers are concentra ting on getting all of the big bugs out before the M15, the first public beta release. I'm going to skip this release and download another nightly build in a few days.
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You said: "The Mozilla Organization's site doesn't yet reflect M14's availabilit, but it will soon."
Well.... how soon?
One look at the mozilla nightly builds ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/ and we all know that the M13 was first built sometimes before 12/20/99 but the official M13 release was 01/21/00
Actually, the first nightly build for M14 was at 01/21/00, and now we are seeing the M15 nightly builds.
Let me ask you the question again: how soon?
One has to be cautious not to raise too much hope on projects like the Mozilla. Unlike commercialware, most open-source projects do not have rigid deadlines.
So, please be patience. The Mozilla M14 will be out when it is ready.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
OK, this is just my opinion (usual flames > /dev/null)... I'd tend to blame the idea of XPToolkit for the stability and speed problems in Mozilla. It adds another layer to something that's already complicated enough:
Mozilla->XPToolkit->GTK->GDK->X (am I forgetting anything).
Actually, I think the problem is not necessarly with the idea of a cross-platform toolkit, but the idea that widgets should look exactly the same on all OS's. This way you need to rewrite all the widgets for all toolkits, which adds both bloat and bugs. For instance, the scrolling in the message (mail) window is way too slow. A simple GTK widget would be 10x faster. Why not an XPToolkit that keeps the look of the original toolkit? This makes even more sense with GTK when you have themes...
Any comment on that?
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
Why is this off-topic? Silly maybe. But it's on-topic.
Try making sure you deleted all the mozilla files, registry settings, and don't forget to delete these two: C:\windows\mozregistry.dat and C:\windows\mozver.dat
Then try installing again.
I'm running M14 on my wife's Win98 machine. Seems snappy fast, and hasn't crashed once!
Life is like an egg better scrambled than fried. -- Ken Sawatari
No, you're making assumptions. The # of bugs targetted at a particular milestone doesn't mean they have to be done by that milestone. The milestone designation is nothing but a projected goal for fixing.
#mozilla topic: "sarcasm is just another service we provide"
<Icos> Does anyone want to throw in a quote for my article on M14's release? (hint: say yes!)
<alecf> "At least you don't have to reboot twice to install it"
<tor> "It sucks less than previous milestones"
<Pavlov> "Don't run it on SMP systems."
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<alecf> heh
<alecf> we scared him off
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<Icos> bah
<Icos> I was thinking more along the lines of "We here at Netscape are proud of the great new features of M14 and look forward to delivering an impressing beta"
<Icos> Sigh.
<Icos> nobody likes the press.
I saw a similar post to yours over on mozillazine. According to MozillaAdmin, they are "low-priority" M14 bugs that are in the process of being triaged to M15.
Life is like an egg better scrambled than fried. -- Ken Sawatari
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I'm in Win95 testing Mozilla M14 at the moment (can't run it in Linux because I haven't got glibc2.1), so I can't give you specifics, but have you tried putting your font paths followed by :unscaled in your XF86Config? Also, have you got the URW outline fonts installed?
There's more details at http://www.gimp.org/fonts.html - I think modern Linux distributions have all the relevant bits done automatically. It'll help some people suffering from blocky fonts at any rate...
The Windows version of Mozilla M14 seems very nice - it gets better with every release. Soon it'll replace Netscape as my standard browser.
Ford Prefect
Tedious Bloggy Stuff - hooray?
... but I'm a big fan of Microsoft Internet Explorer. It offers far better support for HTML4 and CSS than any other browser available, it's less quirky than netscape, faster than mozilla (though most browsers are), and free unlike opera.
I've heard that there is a linux port in the works, but haven't able to find much information on it. Anybody know anything?
last time i tried building from source (for solaris or irix or *bsd, take your pick) i gave up trying to find all the dependencies (eg, you need some libraries that need other libraries and before you know it you're porting a bunch of other software to build mozilla). it's irritating to see them refer to "unix" on their website when they clearly don't intend to give the same level of support to other flavors as they have to linux. it might be impressive, but i can't run it, so i don't know.
Try clicking on the following links in Mozilla:
Finger
Daytime (site may be down in a few hours though so if it doesn't load it's probably not mozilla)
I can see a use for the finger protocol (if all major web browsers end up supporting it there'd be no need for those finger CGI scripts that people use to view
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Why should you download the latest Mozilla milestone? ;) Hats off.
Don't say for personal use... it is still in a testing phase.
You have to remember that the developers are counting on your input.
Pour over the little details and give them feedback.
Some of the crash bugs need to be endured - don't go screaming back to I.E.
Hot off the press builds (nightlies) should probably stay with the developers, however, who have more
Grits to deal with the situation.
Down to the last milestone, you have to think like a tester, not an end user.
Your feedback is important to the Mozilla team.
Pants off to them... er whoops
SEAL
(sorry I couldn't resist...)
Does this project plan to support non-Redhat
* ** s /libnsjpg.so) Load FAILED with error: libjpeg.so.62: cannot open shared object file: * **
distributions anytime soon?
I've got SuSE 6.3 and all I get when I start
the program is an immediate crash (see below).
Ok I've got a T1, I don't mind downloading
something just to throw it away - but some people
have slow access and need to pay for their online
time - If you make a release include the release
requirements!
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nsNativeComponentLoader: SelfRegisterDll(/home/sdoll/prg/package/component
No such file or directory
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nNCL: registering deferred (0)
Profile Manager : Profile Wizard and Manager activites : Begin
Profile Manager : Command Line Options : Begin
Profile Manager : Command Line Options : End
WEBSHELL+ = 1
./run-mozilla.sh: line 29: 6185 Segmentation fault $prog ${1+"$@"}
[Redundent, just for those that are copy and paste imapaired]
Mozilla's bug database Bugzilla
Query Bugzilla
The bug reporting guidelines
-bergee
IFRAMEs finally work! They worked in M11, but M12-13 were broken.
Now, get COLGROUPs and TFOOT working, and how about some damn hot keys?!?!?!
One more thing that I noticed is that when I run mozilla, I get this error:
/var/log/messages - that's where it shows up in my logs.
modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-10
Maybe that's related? I'm running a stock 2.2.12-smp kernel that came from Red Hat (after having some problems with 2.2.14 - I reverted to see if it would help). But, I saw the same error when I was running 2.2.14.
Don't know exactly what it is as I could only find references to net-pf-3,4,5 (IPX and appletalk related).
Huh - maybe that's my problem? Anyone else seen this? Lets see if there is a correlation. Check
It appears in this build for these finger and daytime links to work you need to right click on them and open them in a new window.
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just started getting my new smp box (BP6, 2 celery 500s) and I've noticed that M13 crashes randomly and often, while it is very steady on my K6. Planning to file a bugzilla report once I get a chance to delve into it a bit...
If this wasn't a troll, that would probably be true. The major complaint I have against dogmatic people is that they simply cannot accept anything that doesn't fit into their worldview. It's sad to watch.
That said, however, I think this is a troll.
I'm having problems creating a Mozilla.kdelnk for my KDE desktop in Linux Mandrake 7.0. I point it to usr/bin/mozilla/mozilla (or wherever I unpack the files) but I can't get it to start up the browser. I've tried using the "run in terminal" option but I have the same problem. Whenever I go through Konsole, though, and do a ./mozilla it starts up fine. What am I doing wrong? Please help.
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Noted some improvements though... I sure hope they get this thing into a good usable state soon.
Tomorrow will be cancelled due to lack of interest
The reasons for glibc2.0 not being supported are ">here.
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Nice job, the scrolling really got better.
still no java though, thats the only thing preventing me from using it as my main browser, so I guess I'm still stuck with my old, buggy netscape 4.x
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I dig your music, too.
M14 is beginning to show some definate speed increases, as well as the slow disappearance of the many smaller less-important bugs that ran rampant through earlier milestones. It is still clearly a beta product, but it's reaching it's final state very quickly. It may not yet be stable and complete enough for every typical user, but i'm using it right now as i type this, and i would definately reccomend it to anyone with interest in the future of web browsing.
Another milestone which doesn't work correctly! Alright!
Today's fonts were brought to you by the letter "A". :)
Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
No he already went there and agreeing with everything they said decided to be an immature little dork.
I am using M14 right now. Some of the fonts are a little wierd, but for the most part it seems great. I think its save to say that the fonts are better than nutscrape 4.x for linux, but there are still probs. Other than that it looks great. It is very fast. I haven't had it crash yet and I've been trying to get it to. One thing I really like is that it finally remembers settings. On M13 no matter what I did when I closed that bar on the left it came back the next time I opened the browser. That seems to have been fixed. N E ways.. I like..
This might be a stupid question, but why does not Mozilla work with Hotmail? Is the Mozilla team planning on fixing this?
Thanks, I did not know that. I agree, it should be widely advertised. I guess SMP is still not very widely used, so it doesn't effect very many people.
:)
I'd moderate this way up if I could
Thanks again.
Does or will Mozilla M(N>=14) support colored bookmarks, i.e. can each bookmark be assigned a color by the user?
Color-coded bookmarks would, for example, enable related bookmarks to be grouped ,by category, in a visually ergonomic way.
You see, it's a pun. The topic is about the latest build of mozilla(a webrowser) sometimes refered to as "seamonkey"(a jar of brine-shrimp)
nWo for life!
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Well that's being generous. It's already crashed once within 10 minutes of using it. I tried to download something, but it kept forcing me to choose to save the file, even though I was already selecting a directory. I know I should report the crash, etc etc, but I spend most of my day at work fighting bugs, so nah! Can't be bothered tonight. Mozilla is still a *long* way away from being an Alpha release methinks.
I'd appreciate it if someone could clue me in to Mozilla's features. I know I'll get moderated down as a troll as soon as I post this because I'm an unashamed Windows user, but I'd like to know. I followed Netscape very closely and used their products exlusively until one day they decided they didn't need to support anything new, I'm just wondering, do they do DHTML, CSS, all the new junk?
Esperandi
I know its not Netscapes fault, they would have reamined strong if AOL had realized that the best programmers didn't HAVE to continue working anywhere and as soon as they made it unpleasant they'd jump ship (I would have too)
Rob, we really need a moderation reason called
"Incorrect -1", which we would use on posts that were factually incorrect about basic information (such as the above post).
Right now, I end up moderating those posts as -1, offtopic, but that's not really accurate.
Hotmail requires SSL2 or SSL3 based on patented RSA (until September) algorithms so while security is beginning to get integrated into Mozilla, Hotmail won't work with Mozilla until sometime in September. There is no way to use Hotmail without security. I guess you could request this option from Microsoft but the answer will probably be a resounding NO!
If you want free email that doesn't use ssl try www.linuxstart.com -- works fine with Mozilla
If you've got Netscape profiles already, you can migrate them to Mozilla. Just make sure you've deleted your mozregistry.dat file and then run mozilla -installer or mozilla -ProfileManager. Mozill will present you with a profile manager and you just select the 4.x profile from the list and start it. It will prompt you with a migrate dialog. Agree. Then you can run mozilla with all your 4.x bookmarks, preferences and mail-news settings. Have fun.
Asa
Source and i386 RPMs are at http://students.washington.edu/mpalczew/, for those of us who have been unable or too lazy to compile the tarball.
Switch the . and the @ to email me.
I'm getting this:
"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; N; Linux 2.2.13 i686 en-US) Mozilla/m13"
... but I am definitely running the binary from the mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-M14.tar.gz file.
The md5sum is 2df82397d922893c34c479e52ab7f1f6, in case any of you doubt me.
Strange...
Who cares about the source code? It doesn't look like they're having the party this year. Jamie, come back!!!!!!!!!
It might just be me, but is anyone suspecting that at least the Linux version might have a memory leak? The last nightly build I downloaded had a obvious memory leak.
I have an SMP box here, and I have plenty of software that is not thread safe, yet they have absolutely no problems whatsoever. The SMP-ishiness of your box is only a factor that the kernel needs to consider.
P.S. You can check if Mozilla uses threads in Linux by feeding it to ldd, to see if it loads the libpthread.so library.
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Just a few days ago they removed a bug in the timing code which had been quadrupling win32 rendering times. Oddly enough, the bug wasn't in Mozilla itself but rather in some debugging/timing code- once that was disabled, the slowdowns went away.
~luge
IAAL,BIANLY
I like that idea. I know I'd find a colored favorites menu a whole lot quicker to navigate than a black-and-white favorites menu, especially if you have enough bookmarks that they extend over several levels of walking menus. I'd use a color scheme in which related bookmarks shared the same color.
This is really coming along now, finally.
Smooth, fast, and better font support.
Oh dear...I'm having some serious scrolling and font issues with M14...don't remember them from previous builds. Onward Talkback!
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neither x86 nor sparc binaries available.
I thought they were supposed to auto-build all
this stuff. What's going on?
grumblegrumble...
I know I'll get flamed but...
/., only Windows products need bug reports and that Linux products are almost unbelievable in their stability. You really shouldn't talk openly about any Linux product doing the unspeakable (you know what I mean... that "c" thing). You might be branded a heretic and be flamed. It is nice to see that someone else besides God and Jesus program Linux applications.
/.'ers on your loyalty to Tux. The rescue plans were a credit to the open source community. Bravo! Bravo!
The way some people talk on
I would also like to commend
Please raise the c_omment's s_core at the root of this thread above; it's an i_nteresting and r_elevant question about Mozilla but it's still s_cored at 0. This comment has been obfuscated to beat the automatic unwanted-comment-blocking script recently introduced on Slashdot.
./mozilla-bin: error in loading shared libraries
libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Help! I really hate finding every other linux binary I d/l needs a library I havn't got. Where can I get libc6.1 please?
... I am posting from it right now (Linux), and it looks buggier than two day old nightly build (tagged M15) that I was using before that. I will put it back.
<^>_<(ô ô)>_<^>
I don't know what all this "talkback build" stuff means.
Yes, but that idea is just saying "abuse me" to the moderators. For example, if I were to express the opinion that "Win2k is better than Linux for medium-sized webservers," I could be marked as "Incorrect" by someone who disagreed with me. However, in reality, there is no 'right' answer, so I'd end up being moderated down for no good reason.
I'm very surprised that Rob hasn't implemented Gzip::Chain for Slashdot. For those of you who don't now what that is, it's a modperl handler which gzips the output before sending it. This takes advantage of the single most unused feature of Unix Netscape, namely gunzipping pages on the fly. Given the huge amounts of text on most Slashdot pages, as well as the above-average use of Unix Netscapes by Slashdot visitors, I figure this would be a very significant improvement in speed for said users, not to mention reduced bandwidth usage. Of course, I'm not sure how much CPU time that would require on the Slashdot servers, though I assume bandwidth is more of a bottleneck.
Just a thought which I keep on meaning to mail Rob...
Chris
San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence
Because it's simply not true. Netscape navigator has shit-poor CSS and HTML4 support. IE5 introduced the world to a new level of compliance, piss-poor. Mozilla, while unstable, has almost perfect to the spec compliance for CSS and HTML4.
Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more of my energy on your troll.
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What has happened to the ./ effect here, people? Their FTP server has max. 512 users, and I got through?? :P
We've got to try harder!
free speach
Did you mean: free speech
You need a distribution that uses glibc 2.1 which includes RedHat 6.0, Slackware 7.0 and the latest Debian (I think - not 100% sure).
The reasons for glibc2.0 not being supported are here.
Here is a working link to that message.
does www.anadtech.com crash yours too? Might be me .. running a beta browser on a beta OS (win2k) is usually not good :)
"there's a big difference between kneeling down, and bending over" - FZ
Yer.. tis just a shame that they cant put an icon up in the top left hand corner, like every window under win32.. what's there is the "standard" application icon.. totally lame.. I drew some icons and wrote the code to load it (how hard is LoadImage.. really?) and submitted it on the mozilla newsgroups.. it still isn't included.. I really don't think I should need cvs write access to do a simple update like that.. oh well.
How we know is more important than what we know.
bah.. on win32 you should use the common controls that are a part of the operating system.. I don't want some crappy thin line border around my pop up menus.. I like the win32 gui.. that's why I use it. (I hate the blue screens and file bloat and that's why I use mozilla).
How we know is more important than what we know.
Open up a local directory in mozilla. I don't know how it looks on win32 but it really kicks ass under *nix. I know it's kind of silly but it still makes it pretty neat.
As a side note, do the precompiled binaries have SSL support? I can't get it working and the crypto FAQ on the page hasn't been updated yet.
Any tips or should I just let the Lizard build overnight?
"Fighting the underpants gnomes since 1998!" "Bruce Schneier knows the state of schroedinger's cat"
Yay...It is March 2000 and M14 is looking pretty good, and with a little help and a few more months of milestones, it should be up to snuff with the 2 disk version of Netscape 2 that I first installed on my laptop many moons ago....What is wrong with this picture????
For instance if the 1998 Ford Sable was a good car, would we not expect the 1999 Ford Sable to at least be as good as the 1998 right out of the blocks?
hmmm...
Excellent point, fuckstick!
Why should you download the latest Mozilla milestone? ;) Hats off.
Don't say for personal use... it is still in a testing phase.
You have to remember that the developers are counting on your input.
Pour over the little details and give them feedback.
Some of the crash bugs need to be endured - don't go screaming back to I.E.
Hot off the press builds (nightlies) should probably stay with the developers, however, who have more
Grits to deal with the situation.
Down to the last milestone, you have to think like a tester, not an end user.
Your feedback is important to the Mozilla team.
Pants off to them... er whoops
[Seoman] "A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking."
Ok, I'm writing this in M14 under NT4 after an hour or so of casual browsing. I haven't run previous Ms so I can't comment on relative merits.
It looks neat, it feels neat. Couple things missing, though:
- Alt-cursor key navigation for back and forward. I use this a lot in normal browsing.
- You can't turn off image autoloading. I consider this basic browser functionality so I'm startled at its absence. (: Someday when this gets fixed I'll consider M# for bulk surfing!
I'm gonna use the hell out of this thing, bugs and all. I'm sick of Communicator 4.7 and it's problems, and IE 5 freezes on me every 10-15 minutes and I have to restart. Screw that. Mozilla's 11-13 have run (mostly) great on my machine, and have gotten better with each release. I'm counting the days until beta.
The README contained the following line:
<i>mozilla-win32-M14-talkback.zip is identical to mozilla-win32-M13.zip.</i>
I'm grabbed talkback and am just running it now, it does say M14 - so I guess that's just a typo and not a version behind!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Jamie Zawinski, head bouncer at the DNA nightclub in SF, recently answered questions for a slashnet irc forum. Here's what he had to say about Mozilla, in case your curious
I'm actually posting with Mozilla right now on Linux (the Win32 port has always seemed much more stable to me when I have a chance to try it). Seems pretty fragile to me, but with some promise because of its much touted html compliance. Having followed moz from the beginning, by way of comparison I'd also say it's not yet as stable as the old mozilla code base in most areas (there's a plug for Motif I guess). For some reason the clipboard seems to work good now though, which is a definite /. plus.
Coward, over and out (forgot my pass:-)
Does anyone know why there have not been any Irix builds for *any* of the milestones?
:(
I have tried many of the nightly builds over the past couple months, but they all have problems mapping the gtk library for some reason (Irix 6.5.6m, R4k; gtk 1.2.5 and 1.2.6).
I have tried build from nightly and milestone releases using gcc 2.8 and 2.95 several times, but it seems I need sgi's cc to bulid nspr.
I did find a page detailing how to build mozilla under Irix (didn't work), but the person who wrote that page has since left sgi, and after I was able to get in contact with him, he said that he couldn't really help.
Could anyone point me in a direction to an Irix build? Or even better maybe some pointers on why nspr doesn't build with Irix/gcc (but it does with Linux/gcc or Irix/cc)?
Thanks!
I have had gripes about all of the previous
milestones, but M14 finally renders larger fonts
well enough for daily use on my 1600x1200 screen.
Mark
It is unfortunate that M14 has trouble, but please be proactive and publish the bug... and make sure to say what distribution you use. I use Red Hat 6.1 and M14 is wonderful... and for the first time stable. (smp box even) Mark
running `apt-get remove communicator-smotif-47`
M14 really rocks.
Snorp
Why are there so damn many assholes that fake a bruce perens login? is it that damn funny? (notice no moderation: funny on your bullshit.)
beotch.
It has crashed on this page since M11.
I run NT on a single processor PIII.
do you not need things that use crypto? personally, I have mr. spammail (and slashmail) box at hotmail that I couldn't get to in M13... of course I expect this to change, but it sure as hell hasn't yet (I just checked hotmail in M14 for linux).
Lea
I have been following the Mozilla farce since it started, and was not a farce. I have tried a number of builds. The only that have started at all so far, is build 13. If this continues, I will go mad and start using Internet Explorer. I have reported this to Mozilla... Note that I have no problems with other software on my computers, the same happens on both my home and work computers. Both differently configured, one a regular NT computer, one a Norwegian install... Maybe later... probably not...
This would increase speed on connections where the following conditions exist: Slow connection (eg, less than cable/dsl) AND there is no Modem or PPP compression This would likely decrease speed on cable/dsl and higher, as the browser would have to unzip the html prior to rendering.
Desperation is a stinky cologne
Under WIN32, yes. *nix and mac folk need to migrate everything manually.
Desperation is a stinky cologne
You can actually compile mozilla for glibc 2.0 but it has a few memory leak problems. It is possible with the source.
Mozilla runs great on my system, but there is one seemingly minor (but aggravating) problem that prevents me from using it for my everyday browsing: it doesn't let me click the middle button to open a link in a new window like Netscape 4.x for Linux does. I like to browse the web with lots of windows open at once, and its a pain to always have to select an option in the context menu to open a new window. This always keeps me going back to 4.x, despite that browser's numerous deficiencies.
Does anybody know if Mozilla will support this eventually? I'm not sure if I should submit this as a bug, since it's really more of a feature request. Is there any standard method to request a feature from the mozilla developers?
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"The people. Could you patent the sun?"
"Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it."
--Henry David Thoreau
To bad that Mozilla is butt ugly, slow and buggy.
I stick with Netscape until they make 20 faster, and that will probably never happen.
I guess the problem is that GTK bloat.
Long live Lynx!
I don't think that any benefits would be worth the extra load on the server compressing all this dynamically-generated data, though. Especially because I don't think the benefits would be too drastic for most users. A lot of users (I'd guess most) have net connections (modems, isdn adapters, etc.) that already perform decent text compression between them and their ISPs. Just my opinion, corrections welcome
As an aside, IIS 5.0 (maybe 4 as well, I'm not sure) also supports compressing sent data -- any idea if Netscape can handle this as well?
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
M14 is for bugstomping. M13 is still the latest ported milestone, as evidenced by this quote from Project Seamonkey: Current Project Milestones and News [Latest Testing, Evaluation and Porting Release: M13] [Next Development Milestone Target: M14 - Open Bug and Engineering Task List] For additional information on this and other upcoming milestones check the milestone plan.
Desperation is a stinky cologne
This makes me worry. I am planning to upgrade my machine in a couple of months to a dual-PentiumIII. I was under the impression that the only SMP problems were at the kernel level (in development drivers and the like). But now that I hear normal apps might not be SMP safe, it makes me wonder if I would waste my money buying an SMP machine. I'm interested in hearing from people running SMP desktops as to how many problems they have caused by apps or kernel things not being SMP-safe.
The carbon version of Mozilla. It'll run on MacOS 8.1 - 9.04 as well as MacOS X, as long as the carbon libs are installed.
http://www.mozilla.org/ports/fizzilla/
No IRIX build either. :(
In fact, I posted this with M15. It's a nightly build - so far, pretty darn nice. Still a memory hog, though.
Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
I thought with this release they were going to stick in some SSL support ? All the sites I visit as part of my jobs are all located on SSL enabled websites. Here's a release I thought I'd get a decent browser (no complaints for regular html browsing) but still no SSL. Argh !!!!! Looks like Netscape 4 will be hanging (pun intended) around on my machine for a little while longer. Fucking arse, I was really looking forward to it too.
I've had serious problems with Netscape 4.x recently, with setting up certificates for on-line financial services. I'm wondering if Mozilla is problematic in the same way.
IMHO Netscape has lost so much ground to IE now, becuase of the lack of business imperative in Mozilla development, that I doubt if it can be regained. Netscape users are still effectively stuck with 1998 technology. When (if?) Mozilla ever get's out of beta, it's still doomed.
1)With the cross platform widgets (apart from re-inventing the wheel) Mozilla looks like shit, it feels like shit and it runs like a dog.
2) The cross platform paradigm breaks dowm when it comes to making the browser interface (Gecko) a component - there may be a COM version for windows, but what about the other platforms?
3) The linux version of Netscape has long been inferior on Linux and Mozilla on Linux looks little better. Will this ever be resolved?
I'm sticking with IE5 on NT for the moment.
The M13 bug where the HTTP proxy could not remember the password had been fixed in one nightly build last week. It is not anymore in this release. I am certainly not going to use that M14 build if I must reenter my username and password each time I need a Web document (either an html page or an embedded image). ...
Damned! M14 is not even there and I must already wait for M15
please introduce user-customizable comment filters. They may look like this:
- content:goatse.cx: -1
- content:grits.*pants: +1
- author:Broose Perrens: -1
- author:^TrollKing$: +1
- etc.
With an option to display 'em on user's page, and an option to use top N popular filters, where popularity is weighed by karma. You will earn ethernal gratitude and Karmic Koolness.--
Industrial space for lease in Flatlandia.
That it folks. I've been using this version on my dual PII 450 with 2.2.14 for the past half-hour without a single crash. Goodbye netscape you dog. Netscape/AOL should be ashamed. This pre-alpha build of Mozilla is a better browser and it's all I'm going to use from now on.
Thanks team for working so hard. I love this. I'm beyond words to describe how wonderful it feels to have such a great open source internet client. M15 is going to blow them all out of the water.
Is it possible to get add-on hardware specifically for gzipping?
I imagine that'd be quite handy for high-load servers.
Does mozilla M14 on Windows handle dynamic gunzipping?
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
This is a classic, from the Known Issues/Browser section:
"Strange Waterson attractor: Setting your Navigator preferences (Edit menu: Preferences: Navigator) to "last page visited" may reset your starting page to Chris Watersons' homepage. (bug 29166)"
Hasn't this happened to all of us, at one time or another?
"Hey... don't be mean." --Buckaroo Banzai
This is achieved by preloading IE on startup, as testified by Prof Felton in the DOJ trial.
So if you like it, you could get exactly the same effect by preloading netscape/mozilla. If you also use a window manager which hides shrunk windows, then the effect is identical.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
That depends if you count mozilla as "available". It is more standards-compliant than IE.
If you need to use freedom-eroding software because it is technically better than Netscape, then please go ahead. But don't give people a false impression about mozilla by making misleading claims like this.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
I like what the Mozilla team is doing and there's nothing I would love more than to replace IE 5 my Mozilla but for now, Mozilla is totally unusable, buggy, slow and the font support is crap. Don't tell me shit about how you used Mozilla for 3+ hours without a crash. I can't do heavy browsing for more than 15 minutes before it crashes on me or the menu do not respond or some bug force me to quit and restart the app. Mozilla needs at least another 6+ months in development.
Try out fish, the friendly interactive shell.
hello all, i just did a spec file today for the mandrake distro, though i guess it owuld work on redhat as well. i ran it and i must say that i was impressed with its looks, but i gues it's rather...flashy. not my type.
Mozilla used to render pages progressively ( rather cool !) instead of waiting all the page to load, it 'd display according to data flow. Now they changed it and it displays a black page until ALL page is loaded/rendered. This sucks ( noticed it from M12 up ). Any one knows how to get it back to previous behaviour mode?
According to the Features list in the release notes,chrome support should be working, but as soon
as I try to set one, it dumps core on me.
1) Am I lame?
(Counting this only, not in general, in which case everyone would just say yes =) )
2) Is chrome support broken?
3) You have to go about setting a chrome some very odd way?
I think so, it hogs up all my memory on one a porn script that accesses local files. Way back when, perhaps it was M10, I was able to get that porn script to fully load in under 40 seconds- but now it just eats up all my memory until there is none left. Once all my memory is gone, the system is unresponsive and it requires a power cycle to get things to work again. A better file system would speed that power cycle along a bit.
Real men dump cores! Read my journal, I am neat.
I use IE5, and you're right, it's much faster. It's also more stable than Netscape or Opera 3.? (7, I think).
I have a Win98/Linux (currently RH5.1, eventually RH6.1, formerly RH6.0, Mandrake something.else, SuSE, yada yada) machine with the most recent Communicator, Opera, and IE browsers. Opera doesn't always render pages completely (lack of support for certain bells-n-whistles), and Navigator 4.7 sometimes crashes when I have too many pages open - let alone the fact that it doesn't recognize many embedded links, so I have to use the mouse after typing my userid and pwd at certain sites.
I downloaded/installed M14 yesterday, and it worked great, except for vertical alignments in some tables, wouldn't let me use the mousewheel, and wouldn't let me type email messages at OperaMail (whose webmail I use). (I'll rut through various files and bugzilla to see what's wrong this weekend, when I have more time.)
Still, none of these compare to the speed of IE. Sure, MS isn't compliant with several HTML & other standards, but during the week (and most weekends) speed and stability matter more to me than my personal preference for Navigator (and now, Mozilla - I really do love this build). People who don't like that fact should work to fix what's broke in other browsers, not deride you or me (or many other people, I'm sure) for using what works better.
Is there any chance of a statically linked binary being available? I realise this would be rather large, but even my relatively recent SuSE 6.2 system is unable to run the dynamic binaries (which require glibc2.1) _Nobody_ I know has a system up to date enough to even run this program, which is very frustrating as we are all extremely eager to see it and help contribute bug reports and so on. Alternatively, a set of easy to follow instructions on how to upgrade libc would be useful.
I'm a stupid, stupid, stupid user.
/home/tiemann/incoming1/package/components/libucvj a2.so: undefined symbol: assign_with_QueryInterface__13nsCOMPtr_baseP11nsIS upportsRC4nsIDPUi
But why do I get this message:
./mozilla-bin: error in loading shared libraries:
I have Redhat 6.0 installed.
I admit, Installer.exe has spoiled me. It picks up my existing proxy setting & bookmarks nicely. I've been using the nightly builds lately. Yes, they crash a bit, but I've preferred them to the old milestone 13.
Is there an easy to apply the talkback option to an Installer.exe installation? or What steps should I take to preserve or transfer all my settings from the previous installation?
Thanks, I'd really like to at least help by sending feedback
As somebody who pays for their net usage, i'd love this feature. Of course, i'd love proper searching for articles by time and date, but i've already sent the email requesting that feature a few times, and i'm not holding my breath waiting for it.
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