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Thanks very much:-)
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Re:I feel I should point out that.....
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dude, don't give trolls the time of day. This one especially doesn't deserve it.
Everyone's worth the time of day.:-)
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Re:I feel I should point out that.....
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Gervase Markham is a Christian
Absolutely. But I'm not sure why you say it as if it's an insult.
and has also been arse licking the mozilla devs to secure an internship.
Definitely. I secured this job entirely through ass-kissing; I didn't do any work on the project before at all. In fact, I worked on Konqueror for a year and a half.
mozilla is the best web browser in existence
There's no such thing as the best web browser in existence - they all have different strengths and weaknesses. But Mozilla does rock:-)
Gerv refuses to worhsip at the 'Church of Emacs'.
Absolutely. I'm an nedit user, although I sometimes use vi for checkin comments because I'm too dumb to set CVS up to work with nedit by default.
Gerv
Re:Java: I'd settle for it just working
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Did you ever read the Release Notes? It's all in there. Where else would you like us to put it?
We get 300 bug reports a day, half of which are resolved as duplicates within a week. The bug filing process is not going to be made easier:-)
Having said that,
really cool would be if the bug submission did a fuzzy search and said, this bug looks like these
This, and other stuff you mention, would indeed be very cool - problem is, we have no-one to write it. Are you volunteering?
none of my suggestions ever made it in.
The suggestions you mention work very well as an XPI-installable toolbar, and indeed a bunch of people have gone off and written a prefs toolbar (although I don't recall the URL offhand.)
I don't want to waste my time.
If you get buy-in on your changes before you start, and then produce a patch, you won't be wasting your time.
Bugzilla is extremely successful. Galeon, K-Meleon, Skipstone, Activestate Komodo, the OS/2 Web Browser, Beonex... all these are successful Mozilla derivatives or spin-offs.
All the ports build and work fine - check our Tinderbox if you want.
Why I can not specify personal CSS in Mozilla GUI setup?
There's no UI for it yet, but just put a file called userChrome.css (for modifying the UI) or userContent.css (for web content) in your chrome directory. You may need !important on the rules.
See mozilla.org for more docs and info.
Gerv
Re:This should be obvious but ...
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I'm not the one with my fingers on the Publish button. The Mozilla stuff has been a bit heavy recently - but it's because we are doing lots of cool things:-)
Where by 'we' you mean the Gecko team, mozilla.org, or yourself?
The last two. mozilla.org has consistently expressed an unwillingness to aid Microsoft in its quest to dominate web standards.
I don't see a carefully done patch that implements IE extensions without breaking existing standards being rejected.
I do. If there's a W3C way to do it, and an IE way to do it, we implement the W3C way only. If there is no standard in that area, we consider doing what IE does (e.g. innerHTML.)
We'll work hard to co-ordinate with l10n teams as we near the release, so that language packs are reached simultaneously. However, bugs in the i18n area are not "come back and bite us in the butt" bugs.
If we don't work in Thai at 1.0, we don't work in Thai. But not working in Thai at 1.0 doesn't stop us working in Thai in 1.2.
BiDi should be in and working now.
Gerv
Re:90 percent of Mozilla staff work for AOL.
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And of course, some customers are more equal than others.
We'd be acting very strangely if we gave the distributor of Beonex equal say in running the project as Netscape (even though Beonex is a great project.) Influence is approximately proportional to the number of developers you provide. This is true of any open source project, because the people who write the code decide what code gets written. If more companies and people contribute to Mozilla, Netscape's influence will decrease.
The title is so meaningless you can continue to give it to her if you want,
Quite the reverse. Mitchell continues to do all of those bits of her old job that she really enjoyed - being a figurehead for the project, working out its future direction, and being a liaison to all the other companies which are using our technology. She just doesn't have to deal with Netscape internal politics any more. As I understand it, she's having a great time.
that work they contribute to the project is not uncompensated work for AOL
It's just as much uncompensated work for Red Hat, Beonex, Nokia, and all the other companies who use our code. If you work on an FSF project, you have to assign copyright to your changes to the FSF. (mozilla.org doesn't ask for that.) So is all that work "uncompensated work for the FSF"?
Free software licences put everyone on a level playing field. The code belongs to everyone to do with as they wish, all equally respecting the license terms.
It seems the truth about the relationship would not be quite as palatable to many of the volunteers,
And you, of course, are the wise sage who can see what all those people who are actually working on Mozilla can't see, because they are blind fools in desperate need of your wisdom. Right?
What insight do you have into the Mozilla/Netscape relationship that a Mozilla volunteer does not?
So you do uinderstand what that means with respect to your claims of independence
You think we should get a PO Box? Come on - where our mailing address is has no effect, in itself, on our level of independence.
for the most part it does not effect my day-to-day usage.
If you are day-to-day using an MP3 encoder which hasn't been licensed by (as many people do), it does affect you. You may choose to use it illegally; that's your choice. But if you want to remain legal, the alternative is Ogg.
Any person who would blindly follow any cause without examination is sad as any lemming.
Given your knowledge of me is almost certainly limited to reading a few Slashdot posts, perhaps you could put away your broad brush for a moment. I am not claiming you should not use MP3 because it has patents (although I, along with most of the rest of the world outside the US, think that software patents are a stupid idea); I am claiming you should not use it because those patents mean that you are restricted in what you can do with it, and are often doing things illegally (if you use an illegal codec.)
Unless you are an audio nut, you'll have trouble telling the difference at any high bitrates. The real reason to use Ogg is that it's not encumbered by patents:-)
Gerv
Re:(b)Link tag
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You can always take it out of your personal copy of html.css. Open up the jar files in your Mozilla install using some Zip tool until you find it. Edit the file in-place (decent zip tools can do that) to remove the part that references blink.
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Re:i don't really understand you
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the only way that I could have made my instructions any easier for this particular individual would have been to drive to her house and install the stupid program myself!
...or perhaps by speaking slower, like she'd asked.
My patience ends where the end user's wanton and deliberate ignorance begins.
Or alternatively, they have more important things in their life than computers.
end users who have hostile attitudes towards computers to begin with.
Would they be as hostile if, every time they had to deal with them, they found someone who was friendly, helpful, patient and generous to a fault?
Gerv
Re:Middle mouse button w/tabs
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A "hidden pref" is one with no UI. If Mozilla had UI for everything you could configure about it, there would be several hundred panes in the prefs panel, most of them incomprehensible.
Gerv
Re:90 percent of Mozilla staff work for AOL.
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milestone dates being changed to accomodate AOL demands,
mozilla.org chooses its milestone dates in cooperation with all the companies who are using our code (several of whom are still operating in quiet mode.) This is called "being responsive to customers."
and the head of Mozilla being removed by AOL.
This is simply not true. Mitchell Baker is still mozilla.org's Chief Lizard Wrangler. AOL merely chose to stop paying her to work on Mozilla. This has happened to quite a few free software developers recently (although it doesn't mean it was a smart move on their part - it wasn't.)
Mozilla.org seems to be based in a Netscape building.
Yes, we are. I'm sitting in it (on a Saturday night..:-| ). This building has the greatest concentration of mozilla.org staff, and so it makes sense that it be our mailing address.
Gerv
Re:i don't really understand you
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I incredulously told her "Too fast!?
Thereby continuing the view of the general public that geeks are arrogant, snobbish and cliquey. Nice one, my son. You really put her in her place, right? These stupid normal human beings shouldn't be let near a computer. They aren't worthy, and their little brains can't cope.
I heard that, but then someone told me that it was wrong - it records the time you start the app then, when you first crash, asks permission to send that info to the Talkback server.
Gerv
Re:grr spell check grrr
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Is it possible that they could make it all the way to 1.0 without a simple spell check feature?
Perfectly possible, and extremely likely.
surely there must be open source dictionaries they could implement?
Probably. The trick is finding someone to do the implementing.
Can't they use netscape 4.x's dictionary?
No. It's proprietary.
I'm too ashamed to recommend Mozilla to my friends
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Thanks very much :-)
Gerv
dude, don't give trolls the time of day. This one especially doesn't deserve it.
:-)
Everyone's worth the time of day.
Gerv
Gervase Markham is a Christian
:-)
Absolutely. But I'm not sure why you say it as if it's an insult.
and has also been arse licking the mozilla devs to secure an internship.
Definitely. I secured this job entirely through ass-kissing; I didn't do any work on the project before at all. In fact, I worked on Konqueror for a year and a half.
mozilla is the best web browser in existence
There's no such thing as the best web browser in existence - they all have different strengths and weaknesses. But Mozilla does rock
Gerv refuses to worhsip at the 'Church of Emacs'.
Absolutely. I'm an nedit user, although I sometimes use vi for checkin comments because I'm too dumb to set CVS up to work with nedit by default.
Gerv
Did you ever read the Release Notes? It's all in there. Where else would you like us to put it?
Gerv
We get 300 bug reports a day, half of which are resolved as duplicates within a week. The bug filing process is not going to be made easier :-)
Having said that,
really cool would be if the bug submission did a fuzzy search and said, this bug looks like these
This, and other stuff you mention, would indeed be very cool - problem is, we have no-one to write it. Are you volunteering?
none of my suggestions ever made it in.
The suggestions you mention work very well as an XPI-installable toolbar, and indeed a bunch of people have gone off and written a prefs toolbar (although I don't recall the URL offhand.)
I don't want to waste my time.
If you get buy-in on your changes before you start, and then produce a patch, you won't be wasting your time.
Gerv
Bugzilla is extremely successful. Galeon, K-Meleon, Skipstone, Activestate Komodo, the OS/2 Web Browser, Beonex... all these are successful Mozilla derivatives or spin-offs.
All the ports build and work fine - check our Tinderbox if you want.
Gerv
Multizilla's the tab thing, not full screen, isn't it?
Full screen is currently being written, I think.
Gerv
Why I can not specify personal CSS in Mozilla GUI setup?
There's no UI for it yet, but just put a file called userChrome.css (for modifying the UI) or userContent.css (for web content) in your chrome directory. You may need !important on the rules.
See mozilla.org for more docs and info.
Gerv
I'm not the one with my fingers on the Publish button. The Mozilla stuff has been a bit heavy recently - but it's because we are doing lots of cool things
Gerv
Mozilla is not GPL. Some parts of it are available under an MPL/LGPL/GPL tri-license.
Gerv
This isn't true - they are blocking Mozilla and Opera on Linux, but allowing 4.x. This makes their "it's about web standards" story rubbish.
Gerv
Where by 'we' you mean the Gecko team, mozilla.org, or yourself?
The last two. mozilla.org has consistently expressed an unwillingness to aid Microsoft in its quest to dominate web standards.
I don't see a carefully done patch that implements IE extensions without breaking existing standards being rejected.
I do. If there's a W3C way to do it, and an IE way to do it, we implement the W3C way only. If there is no standard in that area, we consider doing what IE does (e.g. innerHTML.)
Gerv
(gerv@mozilla.org)
When Mozilla is recommmended by Slashdot.
:-)
You over-estimate your own importance, dude
When Mozilla is 100 percent compliant to all standards including IEs broken ones.
Oh well. Looks like we'll never beat IE, then. Because we'll implement its extensions when hell freezes over.
Gerv
I don't see how you can then stamp a *FINISHED* label to it and "ship it" as a 1.0 version.
Who said anything about a FINISHED label? It's not like we're all going to give up and go home when 1.0 is done.
Gerv
We'll work hard to co-ordinate with l10n teams as we near the release, so that language packs are reached simultaneously. However, bugs in the i18n area are not "come back and bite us in the butt" bugs.
If we don't work in Thai at 1.0, we don't work in Thai. But not working in Thai at 1.0 doesn't stop us working in Thai in 1.2.
BiDi should be in and working now.
Gerv
And of course, some customers are more equal than others.
We'd be acting very strangely if we gave the distributor of Beonex equal say in running the project as Netscape (even though Beonex is a great project.) Influence is approximately proportional to the number of developers you provide. This is true of any open source project, because the people who write the code decide what code gets written. If more companies and people contribute to Mozilla, Netscape's influence will decrease.
The title is so meaningless you can continue to give it to her if you want,
Quite the reverse. Mitchell continues to do all of those bits of her old job that she really enjoyed - being a figurehead for the project, working out its future direction, and being a liaison to all the other companies which are using our technology. She just doesn't have to deal with Netscape internal politics any more. As I understand it, she's having a great time.
that work they contribute to the project is not uncompensated work for AOL
It's just as much uncompensated work for Red Hat, Beonex, Nokia, and all the other companies who use our code. If you work on an FSF project, you have to assign copyright to your changes to the FSF. (mozilla.org doesn't ask for that.) So is all that work "uncompensated work for the FSF"?
Free software licences put everyone on a level playing field. The code belongs to everyone to do with as they wish, all equally respecting the license terms.
It seems the truth about the relationship would not be quite as palatable to many of the volunteers,
And you, of course, are the wise sage who can see what all those people who are actually working on Mozilla can't see, because they are blind fools in desperate need of your wisdom. Right?
What insight do you have into the Mozilla/Netscape relationship that a Mozilla volunteer does not?
So you do uinderstand what that means with respect to your claims of independence
You think we should get a PO Box? Come on - where our mailing address is has no effect, in itself, on our level of independence.
Gerv
for the most part it does not effect my day-to-day usage.
If you are day-to-day using an MP3 encoder which hasn't been licensed by (as many people do), it does affect you. You may choose to use it illegally; that's your choice. But if you want to remain legal, the alternative is Ogg.
Any person who would blindly follow any cause without examination is sad as any lemming.
Given your knowledge of me is almost certainly limited to reading a few Slashdot posts, perhaps you could put away your broad brush for a moment. I am not claiming you should not use MP3 because it has patents (although I, along with most of the rest of the world outside the US, think that software patents are a stupid idea); I am claiming you should not use it because those patents mean that you are restricted in what you can do with it, and are often doing things illegally (if you use an illegal codec.)
Gerv
Unless you are an audio nut, you'll have trouble telling the difference at any high bitrates. The real reason to use Ogg is that it's not encumbered by patents :-)
Gerv
You can always take it out of your personal copy of html.css. Open up the jar files in your Mozilla install using some Zip tool until you find it. Edit the file in-place (decent zip tools can do that) to remove the part that references blink.
Gerv
the only way that I could have made my instructions any easier for this particular individual would have been to drive to her house and install the stupid program myself!
...or perhaps by speaking slower, like she'd asked.
My patience ends where the end user's wanton and deliberate ignorance begins.
Or alternatively, they have more important things in their life than computers.
end users who have hostile attitudes towards computers to begin with.
Would they be as hostile if, every time they had to deal with them, they found someone who was friendly, helpful, patient and generous to a fault?
Gerv
A "hidden pref" is one with no UI. If Mozilla had UI for everything you could configure about it, there would be several hundred panes in the prefs panel, most of them incomprehensible.
Gerv
milestone dates being changed to accomodate AOL demands,
:-| ). This building has the greatest concentration of mozilla.org staff, and so it makes sense that it be our mailing address.
mozilla.org chooses its milestone dates in cooperation with all the companies who are using our code (several of whom are still operating in quiet mode.) This is called "being responsive to customers."
and the head of Mozilla being removed by AOL.
This is simply not true. Mitchell Baker is still mozilla.org's Chief Lizard Wrangler. AOL merely chose to stop paying her to work on Mozilla. This has happened to quite a few free software developers recently (although it doesn't mean it was a smart move on their part - it wasn't.)
Mozilla.org seems to be based in a Netscape building.
Yes, we are. I'm sitting in it (on a Saturday night..
Gerv
I incredulously told her "Too fast!?
Thereby continuing the view of the general public that geeks are arrogant, snobbish and cliquey. Nice one, my son. You really put her in her place, right? These stupid normal human beings shouldn't be let near a computer. They aren't worthy, and their little brains can't cope.
Gerv
I heard that, but then someone told me that it was wrong - it records the time you start the app then, when you first crash, asks permission to send that info to the Talkback server.
Gerv
Is it possible that they could make it all the way to 1.0 without a simple spell check feature?
Perfectly possible, and extremely likely.
surely there must be open source dictionaries they could implement?
Probably. The trick is finding someone to do the implementing.
Can't they use netscape 4.x's dictionary?
No. It's proprietary.
I'm too ashamed to recommend Mozilla to my friends
...because you know they can't spell?
Gerv