As other posters have pointed out, BitKeeper's licence is the same paid or free. You may not use BitKeeper to assist in developing a competitive product.
This may mean in it's role as revision control software.
This may also mean as a model to base competeing software off of.
In the first case, don't use it.
In the second case, it is a reverse engineering poison pill.
Would it sit well with you as a kernel developer if, for instance, microsoft was using linux as their development platform for their next OS?
What if you knew that they were using it in production with in house changes and additions with out releasing source code?
This is where BitMover is sitting. Developers are using their software to assist in developing their competition and doing it in violation of their licensing agreement.
BitMover is just doing what we would do if the shoe was on the other foot. This issue will be solved in the same way the open source community always deals with challenges.
The open source community will produce a better alternative under the GPL without using their software. Just like Windows is not the developer enviroment for the kernel, BitKeeper will not be the revision control software used for Subversion.
How many VPN exploits are there? A man in the middle attack would seem to be the best approach. If we conduct man in the middle attacks against banks laundering drug money to support Columbian presidential elections, why would we not make a direct attack to insure our guy gets elected in another South American country?
This is just another case of slashdot being a mouthpiece for corporate America. The link is to a corporate press release for god sake.
"The TDRS-I recovery effort was an incredible feat that demonstrates the inherent design robustness of our products and the incredible space operation knowledge and experience of our team,"
Blatant advertisement designed to get all us geeks to buy Boeing's satellites instead of Ratheon's or Lockheed's.
Well not me. My billion dollars is going to Alcatel Space. They are an open company that doesn't engage in these slashvertisments. Slashdot is so corporate owned.
How many processor licenses does Oracle charge for a Power4, which is literally 4 PPC processors on a single die? What about a clustering approach that presents a server farm as a single virtual CPU?
So many technologies can interfere with processor count that Oracle and Microsoft are using whatever is a best case scenario for them. If licensing is by physical silicon only, future iterations of multi-processing on die will really hamper software provides profitability - something you know they will not stand for.
If it was exclusively per CPU, you would also see a lot of shops always buying the absolute fastest processors available, and specialty shops selling factory over clocks of those processors. Reduced licensing costs would actually make the price of exotic cooling methods and reduced cpu life look good.
Same rule applies to Co-location in a different way. How much power can you stuff into 1u of rack space?
If the most costly machine you can buy is a 48 CPU machine that can fit into 3u using Quad processors cards on a back plane but costs less in the long term because you are not paying for 24u of rack space that dual processor 1u machines would take, you buy it. Even if your per cpu cost is 10 times the cost of more conventional systems, the machine pays for itself in rack space costs in 10 months. After 18 months you upgrade the machine because by then you are paying twice as much for per cpu licenses as you could be paying with modern hardware.
Note to businesses: Upgrade now while prices are depressed, and interest rates are low. Sticking with your old hardware is costing you in the long term.
Take out a loan and upgrade. If your hardware is over 18 months old, you can cut your licensing costs in half. Don't sit on hardware when you are just waiting for it to break.
IT is not a static business. Do not keep your hardware until it has no resale value. Do not keep your hardware until you are paying twice as much for licenses as you could be paying. Do not balk at high up front costs if it saves you 10 times it's upfront cost due to licensing/rack space costs. Do not keep old machines that are costing you three times as much in electricity at a given performance level.
Do a real cost analysis, put in the time. This is the perfect time to upgrade. Competition has never been more fierce for the dollars you have to spend. You will get more value for your dollar now than you ever have been able to.
IT is crap as capital. It has no value in three years. Keep you IT expenditures dynamic to avoid riding your capital investment into the ground. Playing the depreciation tax game will not save you nearly as much as keeping old hardware costs you in other areas.
Disclaimer: I am not invested in any IT infrastructure provider and I do not do IT consulting. I just have to run my own shop like the rest of you.
They Love Hyperthreading. Licencing is determined per CPU reported to the OS not per actual piece of silicon.
Double your licencing cost for a 5% to 30% performance improvement? I don't think so. Hyperthreading is DOA on for enterprise.
Luckly MS has decided to enable 2 CPUs in XP home so you dont have to ante up another hundred bucks for XP professional for the 5% to 30% performance improvement.
your bitgeek@mac.com address is in the clear in 90 kuro5hin posts, 300 usenetposts, 650 slashdot posts, some domesteading posts, queerit, various seattle goth pages and slashdot meetup seattle.
Jesus, man. Don't let it all hang out there and then act like an asshole. The way you talk to people, you will be lucky to not have someone beat you with a baseball bat at the slashdot meetup. Not because you are gay and use macs, but because you are an asshole.
Don't place your ego so close to your position that when your position goes, your ego goes with it.
Be nice on slashdot or don't participate. You have never written a post that was not in some way abusive. You are consistently abusive.
No one likes to hear that. Maybe you'll change. Maybe you'll just get madder without ever evaluating yourself.
In a public, face to face forum, you would not say the things you do. Why say it here?
Exactly how many companies are there with over 10,000 computers? Getting 52 of them seems to represent a good percentage of them. Keep in mind that microsoft has about 35,000 machines, Google has 22,000 machines and Enron had much less than 10,000 (nice dovebid auctions btw).
That seems like the best data that could be gotten given that most companies that large would not respond or would be evasive in their answers.
I wonder if anyone has ever hacked into google? I'm not talking about creating false high listings but actually cracking google's database itself. Getting their full internal Zeitgeist would be a target I assume, based on how usefull the extremely limited version they post each month is.
They do have an incredible number of machines all connected directly to the internet.
"KLAT2's 80/64-bit double-precision performance is around 22.8 GFLOPS, a very respectable number. Then again, using 3DNow!, KLAT2's single-precision ScaLAPACK performance zips to over 64 GFLOPS"
Optimize clients for different architectures. MMX, 3Dnow!, SSE, SSE2, Altivec, Hyper threading, x86-64 etc.
Might be nice to jump from 50 Tflops/s to 150/s just by using processor specific instructions.
Since the client will be open source, users may try it anyway but perhaps SETI could offer some kind of contest to insure the code gets audited properly.
For programmers out there, imagine placing "Optimized code for the largest distributed computing project in the world, resulting in a threefold increase in performance" in your resume.
Being personally responsible for adding 100 Tflop/s to seti@home beats the hell out of running clients on a few idle machines.
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Life on Pluto?
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Pluto is a binary planetoid. Its moon, Charon is almost as large as Pluto itself
Pluto is 2274 km in diameter, Charon is 1172 km in diameter. They orbit only 19,640 km from eachother around a central point between the planetoids.
The point is, the tidal forces that they exert on eachother must be tremendous. I think the internal friction caused by the tidal forces might be enough to create some liquid water somewhere, perhaps near the rocks that constitute 70% of it's mass (the balance is water ice and trace methane and nitrogen.)
I imagine an enviroment similar to the hostile space where a glacier grinds across the ground. Life is certainly abundent there, from worms and ants with antifreeze for blood to fungus, lichen, alge and of course bacteria.
It would take a year and a half just to kill all the slashdot readers, and given the rate of growth for new users, Cthulhu could never kill us all.
Nyarlathotep, now that would be a different story. It is not just a mindless beast like Cthulhu. Nyarlathotep has cunning, and would figure out a way to put Itaniums on all our desktops, causeing the insidious heat death of the entire planet.
Buy an old x86 box, install windows 98 SE or better and use internet connection shareing. Shouldn't cost more than $50 for a crap box with windows still on it.
Power consumption will become a cost issue so you might try a mini-itx box, which will only suck about 25 watts, but up front cost will be higher, on the order of $200 for a complete system.
You paid $2500 for your mac and around $500 for the satellite install what is another 200 bucks?
If you want the service, you have to solve the problem yourself. The bonus is, you can have as many computers using the connection as you want without paying the satellite company's per seat fee.
The only problem with satellite besides the cost is latency worse than a phone modem. your signal has to travel at least 46,000 miles round trip to a geosynch bird over the equator from the southernmost parts of the US. That's a 500ms ping time minimum.
So, running a mac on satellite is no problem technically if you consider an extra 200 bucks for installation fees independent of what your provider is charging.
The only time you will really notice the 500ms lag is in a game and, well, you are using a mac so that shouldn't be a problem either.
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Good point about desktop resolution. 2048 x 1536 should be a design goal. I have 22 inches of glass luv and the hot card to push it but I feel like I'm playing with an old 14 inch when I am in X. See what I mean?
Monitors supporting 2048 x 1536 are not uncommon since their prices have come down to consumer land (sub $400). The big three cardmakers support that resolution.
I shouldn't have to keep a post it on the monitor to remind me which ethernet card is where. eth0, eth1, eth2 is not infomative. If you can name something so that it's name is descriptive, you can work with it easier. Linux naming convention is crap, inherited from unix. "vi" is a text editor. Perhaps it could have been called -duh- "edit"... no, I don't need the history lesson, it's just an example.
More examples, objectively, which ones can you tell what they do by their names?: emacs, elvis, fte, kedit, latex, word, word perfect, notepad
"Konqueror"... what is that? Oh, navigate, explore, conquer... Inside joke with a cute k on the front to identify it with KDE.. But nothing in the name to tell a new user that it is the a browser. "rm" delete, del, trash, erase, oh!, "remove" got it!
Nice to see the begining of good fonts and a move toward unified desktops though.
Slashdot Mirror
If it is worth $100/gram it would be worth about 1.5 million dollars.
But it tends to be a sliding scale with heavier items being worth more per gram.
If you won the lotto would you turn around and donate all the money to the Smithsonian? Hell no. Sell it.
Price Guide
Museums are typicly for profit first and education second. Sell it to a museum. Do not donate it.
At $100 a gram average, you are sitting on about 1.5 million dollars.
Sell the shit out of it and don't look back. Do not be a sucker.
When you can do the same thing at your desk?
Someone tell those guys not to take the term "Pirate" litterally.
"Suck Emma, suck. 'Blow' is just a figure of speech!"
Well, that's a pretty big claim.
Microsoft violating the GPL.
You even have a dead link to back it up.
Find the source. Read it carefully. Do not reply to me. Post the story to Slashdot, because it would make BIG news.
As other posters have pointed out, BitKeeper's licence is the same paid or free. You may not use BitKeeper to assist in developing a competitive product.
This may mean in it's role as revision control software.
This may also mean as a model to base competeing software off of.
In the first case, don't use it.
In the second case, it is a reverse engineering poison pill.
Yeah, Mod that Perdo guy down. He almost made us think for a minute. We just want to follow the party line. The party line says BitMover is bad! ...
Meta might catch it.
Put yourself in their shoes.
Would it sit well with you as a kernel developer if, for instance, microsoft was using linux as their development platform for their next OS?
What if you knew that they were using it in production with in house changes and additions with out releasing source code?
This is where BitMover is sitting. Developers are using their software to assist in developing their competition and doing it in violation of their licensing agreement.
BitMover is just doing what we would do if the shoe was on the other foot. This issue will be solved in the same way the open source community always deals with challenges.
The open source community will produce a better alternative under the GPL without using their software. Just like Windows is not the developer enviroment for the kernel, BitKeeper will not be the revision control software used for Subversion.
How many VPN exploits are there? A man in the middle attack would seem to be the best approach. If we conduct man in the middle attacks against banks laundering drug money to support Columbian presidential elections, why would we not make a direct attack to insure our guy gets elected in another South American country?
Weird, searching for "Linus is cool" reveals it has been said 70 to 80 times, as early as 1995.
:)
The only problem is it is usually said to preface a slam to Linus.
Like, "don't flame me because I think Linus is cool but, he eats dryer lint when he codes blah blah blah..."
The same can be said of "Apple is cool".
Like the people who say it can avoid the steely gaze of the zealots by starting out saying something nice
This is just another case of slashdot being a mouthpiece for corporate America. The link is to a corporate press release for god sake.
"The TDRS-I recovery effort was an incredible feat that demonstrates the inherent design robustness of our products and the incredible space operation knowledge and experience of our team,"
Blatant advertisement designed to get all us geeks to buy Boeing's satellites instead of Ratheon's or Lockheed's.
Well not me. My billion dollars is going to Alcatel Space. They are an open company that doesn't engage in these slashvertisments. Slashdot is so corporate owned.
(joke)
How many processor licenses does Oracle charge for a Power4, which is literally 4 PPC processors on a single die? What about a clustering approach that presents a server farm as a single virtual CPU?
So many technologies can interfere with processor count that Oracle and Microsoft are using whatever is a best case scenario for them. If licensing is by physical silicon only, future iterations of multi-processing on die will really hamper software provides profitability - something you know they will not stand for.
If it was exclusively per CPU, you would also see a lot of shops always buying the absolute fastest processors available, and specialty shops selling factory over clocks of those processors. Reduced licensing costs would actually make the price of exotic cooling methods and reduced cpu life look good.
Same rule applies to Co-location in a different way. How much power can you stuff into 1u of rack space?
If the most costly machine you can buy is a 48 CPU machine that can fit into 3u using Quad processors cards on a back plane but costs less in the long term because you are not paying for 24u of rack space that dual processor 1u machines would take, you buy it. Even if your per cpu cost is 10 times the cost of more conventional systems, the machine pays for itself in rack space costs in 10 months. After 18 months you upgrade the machine because by then you are paying twice as much for per cpu licenses as you could be paying with modern hardware.
Note to businesses: Upgrade now while prices are depressed, and interest rates are low. Sticking with your old hardware is costing you in the long term.
Take out a loan and upgrade. If your hardware is over 18 months old, you can cut your licensing costs in half. Don't sit on hardware when you are just waiting for it to break.
IT is not a static business. Do not keep your hardware until it has no resale value. Do not keep your hardware until you are paying twice as much for licenses as you could be paying. Do not balk at high up front costs if it saves you 10 times it's upfront cost due to licensing/rack space costs. Do not keep old machines that are costing you three times as much in electricity at a given performance level.
Do a real cost analysis, put in the time. This is the perfect time to upgrade. Competition has never been more fierce for the dollars you have to spend. You will get more value for your dollar now than you ever have been able to.
IT is crap as capital. It has no value in three years. Keep you IT expenditures dynamic to avoid riding your capital investment into the ground. Playing the depreciation tax game will not save you nearly as much as keeping old hardware costs you in other areas.
Disclaimer: I am not invested in any IT infrastructure provider and I do not do IT consulting. I just have to run my own shop like the rest of you.
They Love Hyperthreading. Licencing is determined per CPU reported to the OS not per actual piece of silicon.
Double your licencing cost for a 5% to 30% performance improvement? I don't think so. Hyperthreading is DOA on for enterprise.
Luckly MS has decided to enable 2 CPUs in XP home so you dont have to ante up another hundred bucks for XP professional for the 5% to 30% performance improvement.
Junkware.
your bitgeek@mac.com address is in the clear in 90 kuro5hin posts, 300 usenetposts, 650 slashdot posts, some domesteading posts, queerit, various seattle goth pages and slashdot meetup seattle.
Jesus, man. Don't let it all hang out there and then act like an asshole. The way you talk to people, you will be lucky to not have someone beat you with a baseball bat at the slashdot meetup. Not because you are gay and use macs, but because you are an asshole.
Don't place your ego so close to your position that when your position goes, your ego goes with it.
Be nice on slashdot or don't participate. You have never written a post that was not in some way abusive. You are consistently abusive.
No one likes to hear that. Maybe you'll change. Maybe you'll just get madder without ever evaluating yourself.
In a public, face to face forum, you would not say the things you do. Why say it here?
Exactly how many companies are there with over 10,000 computers? Getting 52 of them seems to represent a good percentage of them. Keep in mind that microsoft has about 35,000 machines, Google has 22,000 machines and Enron had much less than 10,000 (nice dovebid auctions btw).
That seems like the best data that could be gotten given that most companies that large would not respond or would be evasive in their answers.
Read some of BitGeeks posts. He was talking about Apple PPC. He is the non-techie with a bitgeek@mac.com address.
I wonder if anyone has ever hacked into google? I'm not talking about creating false high listings but actually cracking google's database itself. Getting their full internal Zeitgeist would be a target I assume, based on how usefull the extremely limited version they post each month is.
They do have an incredible number of machines all connected directly to the internet.
It is a good thing you qualified that with per "clock cycle".
You know I would have stepped up to bat to point out that you have made sacrifices for mac that Apple is collecting.
I've collected a few more benchmarks if you care for another go.
Please not like Scooby-Doo.
Please not like Scooby-Doo.
Please not like Scooby-Doo.
Please not like Scooby-Doo.
Take a clue from KLAT2
"KLAT2's 80/64-bit double-precision performance is around 22.8 GFLOPS, a very respectable number. Then again, using 3DNow!, KLAT2's single-precision ScaLAPACK performance zips to over 64 GFLOPS"
Optimize clients for different architectures. MMX, 3Dnow!, SSE, SSE2, Altivec, Hyper threading, x86-64 etc.
Might be nice to jump from 50 Tflops/s to 150/s just by using processor specific instructions.
Since the client will be open source, users may try it anyway but perhaps SETI could offer some kind of contest to insure the code gets audited properly.
For programmers out there, imagine placing "Optimized code for the largest distributed computing project in the world, resulting in a threefold increase in performance" in your resume.
Being personally responsible for adding 100 Tflop/s to seti@home beats the hell out of running clients on a few idle machines.
True, he would have no power over them.
They are already insane.
Pluto is a binary planetoid. Its moon, Charon is almost as large as Pluto itself
Pluto is 2274 km in diameter, Charon is 1172 km in diameter. They orbit only 19,640 km from eachother around a central point between the planetoids.
The point is, the tidal forces that they exert on eachother must be tremendous. I think the internal friction caused by the tidal forces might be enough to create some liquid water somewhere, perhaps near the rocks that constitute 70% of it's mass (the balance is water ice and trace methane and nitrogen.)
I imagine an enviroment similar to the hostile space where a glacier grinds across the ground. Life is certainly abundent there, from worms and ants with antifreeze for blood to fungus, lichen, alge and of course bacteria.
1d6 investigators die.
(per turn, about a minute)
Even Cthulhu couldn't stop us.
It would take a year and a half just to kill all the slashdot readers, and given the rate of growth for new users, Cthulhu could never kill us all.
Nyarlathotep, now that would be a different story. It is not just a mindless beast like Cthulhu. Nyarlathotep has cunning, and would figure out a way to put Itaniums on all our desktops, causeing the insidious heat death of the entire planet.
Buy an old x86 box, install windows 98 SE or better and use internet connection shareing. Shouldn't cost more than $50 for a crap box with windows still on it.
Power consumption will become a cost issue so you might try a mini-itx box, which will only suck about 25 watts, but up front cost will be higher, on the order of $200 for a complete system.
You paid $2500 for your mac and around $500 for the satellite install what is another 200 bucks?
If you want the service, you have to solve the problem yourself. The bonus is, you can have as many computers using the connection as you want without paying the satellite company's per seat fee.
The only problem with satellite besides the cost is latency worse than a phone modem. your signal has to travel at least 46,000 miles round trip to a geosynch bird over the equator from the southernmost parts of the US. That's a 500ms ping time minimum.
So, running a mac on satellite is no problem technically if you consider an extra 200 bucks for installation fees independent of what your provider is charging.
The only time you will really notice the 500ms lag is in a game and, well, you are using a mac so that shouldn't be a problem either.
All stories include a day.
Put the whole date into Google including the day.
Like Monday October 12 reveals that date occurred in 1998.
Good point about desktop resolution. 2048 x 1536 should be a design goal. I have 22 inches of glass luv and the hot card to push it but I feel like I'm playing with an old 14 inch when I am in X. See what I mean?
Monitors supporting 2048 x 1536 are not uncommon since their prices have come down to consumer land (sub $400). The big three cardmakers support that resolution.
I shouldn't have to keep a post it on the monitor to remind me which ethernet card is where. eth0, eth1, eth2 is not infomative. If you can name something so that it's name is descriptive, you can work with it easier. Linux naming convention is crap, inherited from unix. "vi" is a text editor. Perhaps it could have been called -duh- "edit"... no, I don't need the history lesson, it's just an example.
More examples, objectively, which ones can you tell what they do by their names?: emacs, elvis, fte, kedit, latex, word, word perfect, notepad
"Konqueror"... what is that? Oh, navigate, explore, conquer... Inside joke with a cute k on the front to identify it with KDE.. But nothing in the name to tell a new user that it is the a browser. "rm" delete, del, trash, erase, oh!, "remove" got it!
Nice to see the begining of good fonts and a move toward unified desktops though.