I think it's more likely cultural difference. American English seems to have minor differences in the meanings of words.
I know as far as a driveway, most everyone here doesn't really have one. It's more like parking spaces. But we call them driveway's anyways.
I'm surprised I started this whole discussion. I was actually just alluding to some jokes by one or two popular American comedians. It's been repeated often enough that I couldn't begin to remember who, but the point of the joke is simply that English really is somewhat of a backwords language compared to most of the world.
I don't think I've ever seen a tractor push anything; only pull. So if these beams really can provide a force in either direction, I vote we call them tugboat beams instead.
Ain't the English language a funny thing? Tugboats push instead of tug/pull. People park in driveways. And so on.
I think the only way we'll ever see a real tractor beam is the day we can control gravitons (I'm still not convinced they are real particles, although I was pleasantly surprised when I started seeing them mentioned more in recent documentaries). If we could somehow create focused graviton beams, then we'd have a real tractor beam.
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It wouldn't have been hard at all to clone an Amiga -- most of the hardware, as I understand it, is well documented. This is why the Commodore and Amiga series had such great games, software developers had direct access to the chipsets and could control the hardware however they liked. Most games were, in effect, their own OS's.
The only non-open part was the kickstart, but I'm sure if someone had the bug up their ass to do it, could have developed a replacement. A small part of it was BIOS-like, but a good bit of the OS elements was in it was well... so, it probably wouldn't have been hard to reverse engineer a new kickstart containing a reverse engineered BIOS and alternate OS elements to boot into an alternate OS.
The only reason you never saw cloned Amiga hardware was because there wasn't any demand for the Amiga compared to IBM compatible machines. Had the Amiga been made more IBM compatible (especially the floppy) from the start, CBM would probably still be in business today.
Nobody is diputing it is Apple's right to delete whatever posts they want to. But it is still censorship, even though they have the right to do it. Sorry but taking down post that show your product in a bad light is absolutely censorship. Whether or not it was a smart move is what is being discussed. The two things that are facts in this matter are - 1) Apple had the right to delete posts 2)Doing so is a form of censorship.
I'm not arguing that it's not a form of censorship. Sometimes censorship is a good thing. In this case, after reviewing the cache, it looks like it was probably the right thing to do. It was not the proper forum for that post.
I just skimmed the first part of the Use Agreement and it reminds me very much of what we used to post on boards ten, twenty years ago. The main gist of it is, it's a tech support forum. Ask tech questions, answer tech questions.
Clearly the post was out of line, thus removed. Now, here's the kicker: Imagine, if you will, that you have this immensely popular product, and it attracts an incredible amount of discussion online. If you weren't VERY careful with how you moderated your site, and you let it go, how long until it becomes so out of control that it becomes a big joke? While it's not a message forum, Yahoo Chat comes to mind...
Ok, as a former sysop of oldschool BBSes, I gotta pipe up my two cents. First, I get pretty tired of hearing people scream censorship whenever something is deleted on a forum. As others have pointed out, it IS their right to do it.
You might not like it, but there it is. And since we're quoting dictionaries, here's the breakdown:
A censor is not necessarily a bad thing
censor
/snsr/ [sen-ser]
–noun
3. an adverse critic; faultfinder.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censor
I believe my boss has censored me a number of times at work for my language...
Now, with that said, moderators (or censors, if you really want to be nasty about it) are only human. With so many posts, they have to pick and choose which offtopic, flamebait, etc posts to delete. From what I've read, there's still several ontopic discussions about the issue, so if they don't touch those threads, then it's hardly even censorship.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant to say the poster was describing a communistic policy in the people's equal share ownership of industry.
I agree that USSR was a social system.
The main point I was trying to make was that the system is flawed, unsustainable. There will always be people who do not put their fair share in, or pull more out than they need, and eventually the system will collapse.
I don't think we necessarily need to wait and see if our country truly becomes socialistic. I do think we have come too close already, even if we're not there yet. Government should not be spending its resources in the way it is. If the economy is down, wait. It will pick back up. It's a dynamic system, and it will always be this way.
Socialism is about working class owning the means of production (for example workers of a car factory all own equal amount of shares of the car manufacturer).
Using tax payer's money for funding failed businesses has nothing to do with socialism. This procedure is called "corporate welfare" and is pretty much the opposite of socialism.
Isn't that Communism?
From what I remember of history, in Russia their government was pretty well set up to take care of the people's every need. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussr
Specifically, "The government of the Soviet Union administered the country's economy and society. It implemented decisions made by the leading political institution in the country, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU)."
This sounds a lot like where our country is headed. Government getting over-involved in industry, economy, and social welfare has been tried and failed. And, by the way, social welfare is different from 'general welfare', citing another reply. I'd equate 'general welfare' to 'general well-being', as in to protect us from harm of outside sources.
The local university used to have a dialin for its library system. I spent a couple years getting a free terminal connection to the internet through them. First, I would dialin, and use their standard username/password of 'library', and get a menu. There were a couple menus that didn't have breaking turned off, and I could break out of the menu into a command prompt! I used lynx on VMS originally, until I found a free linux account. Anyone remember nether.net?
After they plugged that hole, I simply selected 'connect to another library', and after getting into telnet from the menu, I pulled up telnet's in-connection menu, and spawned a new session to nether.net...
Those were the days, man. Back then I didn't know anything about the internet...this was back in 95... I had so much fun figuring out how it worked.
How prevalent are viruses really? I've never had one in 16 years of Windows, at least 10 of which the PC's regularly been connected to the internet. Not even at the office, where we have about 80 machines with each one restoring data from a client at least once a week.
I've rarely had a worm or virus myself, but years ago my wife and I only had one computer directly connected to the internet. It was her computer, and we were starting out, so didn't have a router yet, and I was working 50+ hours and busy getting ready for the newborn, and didn't pay much attention to the computer for the first month.
Lo and behold, she comes to me one day complaining about popups and usability issues. The thing was completely infested. Must have had ten instances of viruses and worms. Come to find out she was downloading free games and utilities, and didn't know which tools to trust like we do. She had never applied a patch to Windows. It probably took me about a half a day to clean it up.
As long as you don't download anything stupid, and stay behind a firewall on a patched system, you probably never will encounter any serious threats.
I can add a little personal reference of my own. I'm one of those who didn't get much punishment for not doing homework.
I can vaguely remember being a toddler, and if I did something REALLY bad, getting a spanking. However, past the toddler years, I can't really remember getting a corporal punishment for anything worse than breaking something really expensive.
My mother gave the school permission to issue corporal punishment. In elementary school, I got one slap of the paddle for each "0" earned. I think the most I got in one week was three. I probably averaged about one a week for the first couple of years. I think I wore pants and two layers of underwear to school for the first few grades rather than consistantly do my work.
I got away with this because my mother let the school discipline me rather than put forth the effort herself. She tried the reasoning thing, took some toys away, punished me to my room, etc. I did learn to read early and read well, and to this day enjoy a good book more than anything. However, I still have a hard time committing to anything for a long period of time.
I did very well in school on tests. I had a knack for paying attention in class without doing the work, and scoring excellent grades on the tests. However, this caught up with me in high school when I was suddenly faced with the challenge of "projects" that were a significant part of the semester grade. I went from a Honors student to summer school in one year because I procrastinated and didn't complete the Project assignments. I scored 100 each year in summer school English. I practically had the entire class trying to read my work; it was funny, the answers would usually be underlined in bold. I could tell them the page number and they still wouldn't get it.
I wound up dropping out of high school rather than deal with my issue. My mother still was no help. At the time I told myself it was because I was a geek/nerd and couldn't tolerate the overcrowding and picking I was starting to receive (I was raised never to fight, never to argue, etc, etc; I took everything they gave me and walked away. Now I wish I'd earned a little respect). In hindsight I walked away from my problems. My mother actually let me make that decision with very little argument.
She wasn't much help when it came to college either. I didn't understand the forms, and the few friends I had who went on to college left town. She couldn't be bothered to sit down with me for anything.
So my point is, I can testify that parents who treat their kids as though they can reason for themselves, and trust the school to deal with any educational problems, are setting their kids up for failure. The school isn't equipped to deal with kids individually; they expect the parents to be doing their part.
I actually had been thinking for a while this would be a good idea. The torrents aren't going to just go away, and the lawyers are spending a great amount of money that could be saved as profits.
I'd been thinking that if the artists simply created the boxsets, artwork, and maybe included videos, they would probably come out ahead.
Ok, what about when a guy feels so feminine he feels like he should have been born a woman, but is still attracted to other women?
Sometimes, psychologically, people are wired to think and feel as one gender, but physically, they are the other. It's weird, but so is being born as BOTH genders, physically. It happens.
Does that include the episode where a ghost has sex with Dr. Crusher?
To quote Galaxy Quest, "Did you even watch the show?":P
I'm talking about the series in general. I'm sure the reason I don't remember that episode is exactly because a ghost had sex with Crusher! There are a couple episodes where I was thinking "What was that writer thinking?"
I do recall an interview with one of the producers in which they talked about trying to keep the technology showed on the show as real as possible. Whenever a writer came up with something new, they would often consult with a physicist to see if it were theoretically possible. If something got snuck by that wasn't, they would get bombarded by complaints from the fans.
I'm sure that ghost episode probably garnered some complaints. Was that an early one? Gene Roddenberry was an odd character. I know he often tried to get as much sex into the show as he could (the guy had a great vision, but it was a bit skewed by his flaws).
There are no longer any Linux netbooks for sale at physical retail stores where I live (USA). No, it's not that they're out of stock frequently (as some Windows models are); they are no longer kept in stock.
Target is the only retailer that even lists Linux models on their website; they used to sell the 7" Eee PC in stores. Now they sell Windows models in-store & advertise them, as do all the other retail stores that sell computers.
This is what I'm thinking as well. With the prices on netbooks coming down below $300 for a portable computer with Windows, I would expect people to fork up the extra money to get one rather than deal with an "unknown". Sure, anyone tech savvy who hasn't messed with Linux would probably brave it, but say, my momma? Hell no.
Now, like parent, the other question is how many people are buying locally w/o the Linux option and maybe dumping Windows? I'm running on a netbook purchased w/o a Linux option...presently using XP, but I plan on buying another system soon (this is my only computer presently), and afterwards I'm loading linux on this puppy.:)
Star Wars (and Star Trek) are what we call 'Space Opera,' which is a romanticized outer space story, not necessarily science fiction.
I'd have to disagree with this. Star Trek (at least, AFTER the original series) has typically made great strides to base most of their stories as close to theoretical physics as possible.
I'll grant that quite a bit of material is a stretch, but the bottom line usually comes down to the fact that we still have a GREAT amount to learn about the universe, and the fact that there is so much left to explore from our limited perspective here on this little planet.
Btw, I'm also a Texan. It's my understanding that only a few states in the U.S. order textbooks at the state level. You are missing something: Letting conservative think-tanks prescribe curriculum is an unambiguously bad thing; this isn't a law, it's action by the SBOE to amend the curriculum to include language written by the Discovery Institute.
Since Texas buys textbooks for the whole state, the TEKS curriculum has influence over what publishers put in their textbooks (nation-wide).
Your last sentence is odd. The statehouse is absolutely dominated by business-worshipping Republicans, and the judiciary is the same (unfortunately, imo, we elect our judges). We have no state income tax for individuals. If you wanted less government, you'd have to move to Somalia.
Yeah, it was late, and I wasn't thinking straight! Texas is actually a pretty fair state when it comes to regulation. It's usually the federal level that screws things up, although our state does occasionally make a few boneheaded decisions.
I always thought something was odd with the way the state handles education here. I'm not even sure the way the US handles education as a whole is good. It seems like each independent school district should be able to make decisions for itself regarding education.
Don't like the way your school district educates? Home school, private school, or move to another school district.
From what I understand, gravity is not so much a force of nature as it is a reaction to the fundamental nature of nature.
"Gravitons" most likely do not exist. I will be most shocked if someone actually comes up with "anti-gravity" devices using some kind of field or particle. Gravity is derived from a large mass creating a dent in the curvature of space, causing other objects to slide inward. (yes, i know most everyone knows this, but sometimes it's easy to forget, and perhaps some don't)
And for my other two cents, I'm also not seeing how this legislation is a bad thing. Perhaps I'm missing something. However, when did we have to start legislating how to teach good science? Is it really necessary to pass laws on education? I guess I was ignorant to this, but I always assumed education in the US and Texas (my state) was mostly self-regulated. More tax dollars at work...
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I think it's more likely cultural difference. American English seems to have minor differences in the meanings of words.
I know as far as a driveway, most everyone here doesn't really have one. It's more like parking spaces. But we call them driveway's anyways.
I'm surprised I started this whole discussion. I was actually just alluding to some jokes by one or two popular American comedians. It's been repeated often enough that I couldn't begin to remember who, but the point of the joke is simply that English really is somewhat of a backwords language compared to most of the world.
I don't think I've ever seen a tractor push anything; only pull. So if these beams really can provide a force in either direction, I vote we call them tugboat beams instead.
Ain't the English language a funny thing? Tugboats push instead of tug/pull. People park in driveways. And so on.
I think the only way we'll ever see a real tractor beam is the day we can control gravitons (I'm still not convinced they are real particles, although I was pleasantly surprised when I started seeing them mentioned more in recent documentaries). If we could somehow create focused graviton beams, then we'd have a real tractor beam.
It wouldn't have been hard at all to clone an Amiga -- most of the hardware, as I understand it, is well documented. This is why the Commodore and Amiga series had such great games, software developers had direct access to the chipsets and could control the hardware however they liked. Most games were, in effect, their own OS's. The only non-open part was the kickstart, but I'm sure if someone had the bug up their ass to do it, could have developed a replacement. A small part of it was BIOS-like, but a good bit of the OS elements was in it was well... so, it probably wouldn't have been hard to reverse engineer a new kickstart containing a reverse engineered BIOS and alternate OS elements to boot into an alternate OS. The only reason you never saw cloned Amiga hardware was because there wasn't any demand for the Amiga compared to IBM compatible machines. Had the Amiga been made more IBM compatible (especially the floppy) from the start, CBM would probably still be in business today.
Nobody is diputing it is Apple's right to delete whatever posts they want to. But it is still censorship, even though they have the right to do it. Sorry but taking down post that show your product in a bad light is absolutely censorship. Whether or not it was a smart move is what is being discussed. The two things that are facts in this matter are - 1) Apple had the right to delete posts 2)Doing so is a form of censorship.
I'm not arguing that it's not a form of censorship. Sometimes censorship is a good thing. In this case, after reviewing the cache, it looks like it was probably the right thing to do. It was not the proper forum for that post.
I just skimmed the first part of the Use Agreement and it reminds me very much of what we used to post on boards ten, twenty years ago. The main gist of it is, it's a tech support forum. Ask tech questions, answer tech questions.
Clearly the post was out of line, thus removed. Now, here's the kicker: Imagine, if you will, that you have this immensely popular product, and it attracts an incredible amount of discussion online. If you weren't VERY careful with how you moderated your site, and you let it go, how long until it becomes so out of control that it becomes a big joke? While it's not a message forum, Yahoo Chat comes to mind...
Ok, as a former sysop of oldschool BBSes, I gotta pipe up my two cents. First, I get pretty tired of hearing people scream censorship whenever something is deleted on a forum. As others have pointed out, it IS their right to do it.
You might not like it, but there it is. And since we're quoting dictionaries, here's the breakdown:
A censor is not necessarily a bad thing
censor
–noun
3. an adverse critic; faultfinder.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censor
I believe my boss has censored me a number of times at work for my language...
Now, with that said, moderators (or censors, if you really want to be nasty about it) are only human. With so many posts, they have to pick and choose which offtopic, flamebait, etc posts to delete. From what I've read, there's still several ontopic discussions about the issue, so if they don't touch those threads, then it's hardly even censorship.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant to say the poster was describing a communistic policy in the people's equal share ownership of industry. I agree that USSR was a social system. The main point I was trying to make was that the system is flawed, unsustainable. There will always be people who do not put their fair share in, or pull more out than they need, and eventually the system will collapse. I don't think we necessarily need to wait and see if our country truly becomes socialistic. I do think we have come too close already, even if we're not there yet. Government should not be spending its resources in the way it is. If the economy is down, wait. It will pick back up. It's a dynamic system, and it will always be this way.
Sorry, but you have no idea what socialism is.
Socialism is about working class owning the means of production (for example workers of a car factory all own equal amount of shares of the car manufacturer).
Using tax payer's money for funding failed businesses has nothing to do with socialism. This procedure is called "corporate welfare" and is pretty much the opposite of socialism.
Isn't that Communism? From what I remember of history, in Russia their government was pretty well set up to take care of the people's every need. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussr Specifically, "The government of the Soviet Union administered the country's economy and society. It implemented decisions made by the leading political institution in the country, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU)." This sounds a lot like where our country is headed. Government getting over-involved in industry, economy, and social welfare has been tried and failed. And, by the way, social welfare is different from 'general welfare', citing another reply. I'd equate 'general welfare' to 'general well-being', as in to protect us from harm of outside sources.
The local university used to have a dialin for its library system. I spent a couple years getting a free terminal connection to the internet through them. First, I would dialin, and use their standard username/password of 'library', and get a menu. There were a couple menus that didn't have breaking turned off, and I could break out of the menu into a command prompt! I used lynx on VMS originally, until I found a free linux account. Anyone remember nether.net? After they plugged that hole, I simply selected 'connect to another library', and after getting into telnet from the menu, I pulled up telnet's in-connection menu, and spawned a new session to nether.net... Those were the days, man. Back then I didn't know anything about the internet...this was back in 95... I had so much fun figuring out how it worked.
How prevalent are viruses really? I've never had one in 16 years of Windows, at least 10 of which the PC's regularly been connected to the internet. Not even at the office, where we have about 80 machines with each one restoring data from a client at least once a week.
I've rarely had a worm or virus myself, but years ago my wife and I only had one computer directly connected to the internet. It was her computer, and we were starting out, so didn't have a router yet, and I was working 50+ hours and busy getting ready for the newborn, and didn't pay much attention to the computer for the first month. Lo and behold, she comes to me one day complaining about popups and usability issues. The thing was completely infested. Must have had ten instances of viruses and worms. Come to find out she was downloading free games and utilities, and didn't know which tools to trust like we do. She had never applied a patch to Windows. It probably took me about a half a day to clean it up. As long as you don't download anything stupid, and stay behind a firewall on a patched system, you probably never will encounter any serious threats.
I can add a little personal reference of my own. I'm one of those who didn't get much punishment for not doing homework. I can vaguely remember being a toddler, and if I did something REALLY bad, getting a spanking. However, past the toddler years, I can't really remember getting a corporal punishment for anything worse than breaking something really expensive. My mother gave the school permission to issue corporal punishment. In elementary school, I got one slap of the paddle for each "0" earned. I think the most I got in one week was three. I probably averaged about one a week for the first couple of years. I think I wore pants and two layers of underwear to school for the first few grades rather than consistantly do my work. I got away with this because my mother let the school discipline me rather than put forth the effort herself. She tried the reasoning thing, took some toys away, punished me to my room, etc. I did learn to read early and read well, and to this day enjoy a good book more than anything. However, I still have a hard time committing to anything for a long period of time. I did very well in school on tests. I had a knack for paying attention in class without doing the work, and scoring excellent grades on the tests. However, this caught up with me in high school when I was suddenly faced with the challenge of "projects" that were a significant part of the semester grade. I went from a Honors student to summer school in one year because I procrastinated and didn't complete the Project assignments. I scored 100 each year in summer school English. I practically had the entire class trying to read my work; it was funny, the answers would usually be underlined in bold. I could tell them the page number and they still wouldn't get it. I wound up dropping out of high school rather than deal with my issue. My mother still was no help. At the time I told myself it was because I was a geek/nerd and couldn't tolerate the overcrowding and picking I was starting to receive (I was raised never to fight, never to argue, etc, etc; I took everything they gave me and walked away. Now I wish I'd earned a little respect). In hindsight I walked away from my problems. My mother actually let me make that decision with very little argument. She wasn't much help when it came to college either. I didn't understand the forms, and the few friends I had who went on to college left town. She couldn't be bothered to sit down with me for anything. So my point is, I can testify that parents who treat their kids as though they can reason for themselves, and trust the school to deal with any educational problems, are setting their kids up for failure. The school isn't equipped to deal with kids individually; they expect the parents to be doing their part.
I actually had been thinking for a while this would be a good idea. The torrents aren't going to just go away, and the lawyers are spending a great amount of money that could be saved as profits. I'd been thinking that if the artists simply created the boxsets, artwork, and maybe included videos, they would probably come out ahead.
You're a dude. You like dudes. That's gay. :-)
Seriously, by definition, it's gay.
Ok, what about when a guy feels so feminine he feels like he should have been born a woman, but is still attracted to other women? Sometimes, psychologically, people are wired to think and feel as one gender, but physically, they are the other. It's weird, but so is being born as BOTH genders, physically. It happens.
Does that include the episode where a ghost has sex with Dr. Crusher?
To quote Galaxy Quest, "Did you even watch the show?" :P
I'm talking about the series in general. I'm sure the reason I don't remember that episode is exactly because a ghost had sex with Crusher! There are a couple episodes where I was thinking "What was that writer thinking?" I do recall an interview with one of the producers in which they talked about trying to keep the technology showed on the show as real as possible. Whenever a writer came up with something new, they would often consult with a physicist to see if it were theoretically possible. If something got snuck by that wasn't, they would get bombarded by complaints from the fans. I'm sure that ghost episode probably garnered some complaints. Was that an early one? Gene Roddenberry was an odd character. I know he often tried to get as much sex into the show as he could (the guy had a great vision, but it was a bit skewed by his flaws).
And where were the retailers you talked to?
There are no longer any Linux netbooks for sale at physical retail stores where I live (USA). No, it's not that they're out of stock frequently (as some Windows models are); they are no longer kept in stock.
Target is the only retailer that even lists Linux models on their website; they used to sell the 7" Eee PC in stores. Now they sell Windows models in-store & advertise them, as do all the other retail stores that sell computers.
This is what I'm thinking as well. With the prices on netbooks coming down below $300 for a portable computer with Windows, I would expect people to fork up the extra money to get one rather than deal with an "unknown". Sure, anyone tech savvy who hasn't messed with Linux would probably brave it, but say, my momma? Hell no. Now, like parent, the other question is how many people are buying locally w/o the Linux option and maybe dumping Windows? I'm running on a netbook purchased w/o a Linux option...presently using XP, but I plan on buying another system soon (this is my only computer presently), and afterwards I'm loading linux on this puppy. :)
Star Wars (and Star Trek) are what we call 'Space Opera,' which is a romanticized outer space story, not necessarily science fiction.
I'd have to disagree with this. Star Trek (at least, AFTER the original series) has typically made great strides to base most of their stories as close to theoretical physics as possible. I'll grant that quite a bit of material is a stretch, but the bottom line usually comes down to the fact that we still have a GREAT amount to learn about the universe, and the fact that there is so much left to explore from our limited perspective here on this little planet.
...and?
Totally OT, but there you go.
Btw, I'm also a Texan. It's my understanding that only a few states in the U.S. order textbooks at the state level. You are missing something: Letting conservative think-tanks prescribe curriculum is an unambiguously bad thing; this isn't a law, it's action by the SBOE to amend the curriculum to include language written by the Discovery Institute.
SBOE TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills)
Since Texas buys textbooks for the whole state, the TEKS curriculum has influence over what publishers put in their textbooks (nation-wide).
Your last sentence is odd. The statehouse is absolutely dominated by business-worshipping Republicans, and the judiciary is the same (unfortunately, imo, we elect our judges). We have no state income tax for individuals. If you wanted less government, you'd have to move to Somalia.
Yeah, it was late, and I wasn't thinking straight! Texas is actually a pretty fair state when it comes to regulation. It's usually the federal level that screws things up, although our state does occasionally make a few boneheaded decisions. I always thought something was odd with the way the state handles education here. I'm not even sure the way the US handles education as a whole is good. It seems like each independent school district should be able to make decisions for itself regarding education. Don't like the way your school district educates? Home school, private school, or move to another school district.
From what I understand, gravity is not so much a force of nature as it is a reaction to the fundamental nature of nature. "Gravitons" most likely do not exist. I will be most shocked if someone actually comes up with "anti-gravity" devices using some kind of field or particle. Gravity is derived from a large mass creating a dent in the curvature of space, causing other objects to slide inward. (yes, i know most everyone knows this, but sometimes it's easy to forget, and perhaps some don't) And for my other two cents, I'm also not seeing how this legislation is a bad thing. Perhaps I'm missing something. However, when did we have to start legislating how to teach good science? Is it really necessary to pass laws on education? I guess I was ignorant to this, but I always assumed education in the US and Texas (my state) was mostly self-regulated. More tax dollars at work...