No, i'm arguing that it's an argument that serves no point, other than to make someone look smart. Not many people would question there's a difference between 'stealing' a song and stealing someone's cd.
I am not talking about the law. I am talking about what a typical person would consider stealing. You can bash the RIAA for calling it stealing, since they should know better.
And calling people lazy for not knowing the exact word? Do you look up every word and know exactly what it does/doesn't mean? I thought not. You, like everyone else, use context and imply meanings.
OK we can play this semantic dance, it's pointless. there's a difference between them, not many people question that.
Ever steal anyone's answers in high school? you weren't actually 'stealing' then either, but people still called it that. It's not really a difficult concept to understand that some people have a slightly different meaning of a word, and it's pathetic how much of a big deal that is always made of, around here. Especially since i read all the time that languages aren't static.
::Being Rant:: First of all, it is not stealing! It is copyright infringement. I'm damn sick of people confusing the two, they are not the same; they are not interchangeable. Stealing is clearly defined, Copyright Infringement is also defined; downloading music over the Internet is in no way stealing, period. It may, arguably, be copyright infringement, depending on the specific circumstances.::End Rant::
Many people consider taking something that shouldn't be yours, stealing. So, in that definition, yes it's stealing.
Oh yeah? i had get our java application to run on z/OS (which mostly meant forcing charset usage), AND i had to write native code to get the CPU usage (which, which meant learning about datasets and RMF and SMF and blah blah blah blah and a whole set of new terminology) so just porting a wussy java app, is for kids! BTW i did all that within my first year out of college!
Not long ago "computer science" didn't even exist: it was all taught in math departments. Once it became quite clear that most developer types can't handle vector calculus that changed.
Yeah sure, that's why most CS departments I've heard about, pretty much required a minor in math.
Yet I wonder - what is computer science without the ability to actually program the computer? Discrete math, algorithms, and some theory. Interesting, but (not quite) useless.
There's a lot of CS that came before computers. It was just called math. I really don't know how useless it would or wouldn't be without computers. But whether it's useful or not, isn't really relevant to what CS is.
"An education is no excuse for willful ignorance."
ignorance of what? DO you think it's the responsibility of CS professors to educate students on every possible application of CS principles? No. Does every CS student want to become an embedded programmer? No. Does every student even want to become a programmer? No.
Programming is a tool that's used in Computer Science, not what's learned.
Could you do much more than call me names? i guess not. You just call people names who don't agree with you, then you make wild assumptions about them. Good job.
Let me make it simple. can you provide any proof of where we came from? nope. All you can provide is a good story about why it could be, that we share an ancestor with monkeys. It's similar to a murder scene where you can provide a good story that person X did it, but you can't really prove it. It would just make sense. But guess what? lots of other explanations could make sense, that you haven't thought of.
Personally I think if you proclaim you don't believe in evolution than that's a troll right there of huge proportions.
really? so it's so locked down and proven to be that we all evolved from monkeys right? Or whatever? COuld we have evolved from monkeys? sure. It would make sense. But it's not much better than saying God made us.
P.S. Dismissing the evolution theory as just a "theory" different from "the earth is flat" is just plain ignorance, and exactly a repeat of the earth is flat supporters
We can prove mathematically the earth is roundish, we can prove it by riding around the world, we can prove it by taking pictures. Not so with Evolution. You have a bunch of pieces of knowledge, and you can make them sort of fit together in 1 way. This is not bad, this is science, it's good. But it is not close to being beyond a theory.
You keep being close minded and making blind assumptions about our past and calling other ignorant though.
I was thinking about responding and saying something sarcastic about how obvious it is. But then i realized the movie was released in 1991, and we're in 2008. So it's entirely conceivable that someone could be reading this site (late 80s means you could be 20+, and i was reading this site when i was 17-18), and not know where that comes from. And then i felt old, and the need to share my observation.
call up Ron Paul and ask him what he'd do, and probably do that:P. I imagine starting with getting all our military home, would be one of the first few things.
The same way we test everything else. We can observe small scale evolution in a lab, the same way we observe pendulums. When things are harder to control we have to use more indirect evidence, using models from the lab and evidence that we can observe about the less cooperative phenomena. We can't put a second earth into orbit around the sun any more than we can duplicate hominid evolution, but we're pretty confident about gravity being responsible. Why should we suddenly become obstinate when it comes to biology?
The lab experiment proves things evolve. Great, I agree. So does Ron Paul. So does everyone I've ever talked to about the subject. Where's the evidence that we evolved from monkeys? Or whatever we evolved from? And can we even test that it's possible? How often do these theories change as new things are discovered? So why should i believe in somethign that's likely to change in year? Sounds a lot like a religion to me.
I dunno, but in the end, to dismiss someone from being a medical doctor because he doesn't believe we evolved from monkeys, is short sighted, imo.
Aw, did I upset you? Libertarians are usually associated with thicker skins...
Yes i'm terribly upset...
So he believes in evolution, but not the theory of evolution. Brilliant. What other words does he get to redefine mid-sentence?
he didn't redefine anything. He said theory of evolution. There's a huge difference between thinking we evolved from apes, and thinking that things evolve.
Ah, the old "you don't know 100% how the universe came to be, so therefore every other theory has equal validity" argument. That's an invalid argument, and only serves the purpose of letting everyone else know what kind of person you are.
we can test theories about gravity and basic physics. So those we can feel fairly confident about. But how do we test where we came from?
I don't care if you believe we evolved from monkeys, I don't care if someone else believes 'God' created us, I don't care someone else believes Xenu created it. I really don't. But you cannot prove, with much of any certainty, that we evolved from X. You can observe what's happening now, and try to make correlations and make educated guesses, and guess what, that's called science.
As I said, he's a 'doctor' who doesn't believe in evolution, which makes me question his medical credentials. How does he feel about evolving flu viruses or newly drug-resistant bacteria? But sure, every theory is equally valid, simply because we haven't answered every question out there.
like i said before there's a huge difference between things evolving and saying we evolved from X, i don't see how anyone could confuse them.
He doesn't believe the theory of evolution, which is to say, where we came from. That is NOT the same as saying he doens't believe in evolution.
And further he says he doesn't think there's any absolute proof on either side. And further he said that the president shouldn't be making such decisions. From what he said, i agree with him. Or perhaps you can enlighten us, beyond a shadow of a doubt, where we came from?
So what exactly is your objection?
And because he disagrees with you on 1 issue you don't think he deserves the title Dr. ? how about you get your arrogant head out of your ass.
If you want to be a software developer, and don't particularly care in which language, it would be a good idea to do a project in your spare time, in one of the main languages (C++/java/C#) used. Java seems to have the most jobs available, of couurse, that may vary in your area. The thing you need to be getting out of your education is understanding the basics, that transcend all languages. Rhe difference between C++, java, and C# are made to be a bigger deal than they really are. You should be able to program in any of these without to much effort. I think the best advice is to be smart, and take what you read here on/. with a grain of salt, as people here tend to overreact to almost everything.
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No, i'm arguing that it's an argument that serves no point, other than to make someone look smart. Not many people would question there's a difference between 'stealing' a song and stealing someone's cd.
I am not talking about the law. I am talking about what a typical person would consider stealing. You can bash the RIAA for calling it stealing, since they should know better.
And calling people lazy for not knowing the exact word? Do you look up every word and know exactly what it does/doesn't mean? I thought not. You, like everyone else, use context and imply meanings.
OK we can play this semantic dance, it's pointless. there's a difference between them, not many people question that.
Ever steal anyone's answers in high school? you weren't actually 'stealing' then either, but people still called it that. It's not really a difficult concept to understand that some people have a slightly different meaning of a word, and it's pathetic how much of a big deal that is always made of, around here. Especially since i read all the time that languages aren't static.
::Being Rant:: First of all, it is not stealing! It is copyright infringement. I'm damn sick of people confusing the two, they are not the same; they are not interchangeable. Stealing is clearly defined, Copyright Infringement is also defined; downloading music over the Internet is in no way stealing, period. It may, arguably, be copyright infringement, depending on the specific circumstances. ::End Rant::
Many people consider taking something that shouldn't be yours, stealing. So, in that definition, yes it's stealing.
I'm only 26 :( i don't even have a lawn yet.
Oh yeah? i had get our java application to run on z/OS (which mostly meant forcing charset usage), AND i had to write native code to get the CPU usage (which, which meant learning about datasets and RMF and SMF and blah blah blah blah and a whole set of new terminology) so just porting a wussy java app, is for kids! BTW i did all that within my first year out of college!
Oh poor IT workers, with their nicely paid jobs and nice benefits. I have such sympathy for you.
3-way? man, i'd settle for a 2-way, but usually just get a 1-way.
Not long ago "computer science" didn't even exist: it was all taught in math departments. Once it became quite clear that most developer types can't handle vector calculus that changed.
Yeah sure, that's why most CS departments I've heard about, pretty much required a minor in math.
Yet I wonder - what is computer science without the ability to actually program the computer? Discrete math, algorithms, and some theory. Interesting, but (not quite) useless.
There's a lot of CS that came before computers. It was just called math. I really don't know how useless it would or wouldn't be without computers. But whether it's useful or not, isn't really relevant to what CS is.
"An education is no excuse for willful ignorance."
ignorance of what? DO you think it's the responsibility of CS professors to educate students on every possible application of CS principles? No. Does every CS student want to become an embedded programmer? No. Does every student even want to become a programmer? No.
Programming is a tool that's used in Computer Science, not what's learned.
Is it really that hard to understand? Tell people to go get vocational training if they want ASM monkeys.
That'll teach me not to use Preview.
Liar.
Could you do much more than call me names? i guess not. You just call people names who don't agree with you, then you make wild assumptions about them. Good job.
Let me make it simple. can you provide any proof of where we came from? nope. All you can provide is a good story about why it could be, that we share an ancestor with monkeys. It's similar to a murder scene where you can provide a good story that person X did it, but you can't really prove it. It would just make sense. But guess what? lots of other explanations could make sense, that you haven't thought of.
Personally I think if you proclaim you don't believe in evolution than that's a troll right there of huge proportions.
really? so it's so locked down and proven to be that we all evolved from monkeys right? Or whatever? COuld we have evolved from monkeys? sure. It would make sense. But it's not much better than saying God made us.
P.S. Dismissing the evolution theory as just a "theory" different from "the earth is flat" is just plain ignorance, and exactly a repeat of the earth is flat supporters
We can prove mathematically the earth is roundish, we can prove it by riding around the world, we can prove it by taking pictures. Not so with Evolution. You have a bunch of pieces of knowledge, and you can make them sort of fit together in 1 way. This is not bad, this is science, it's good. But it is not close to being beyond a theory.
You keep being close minded and making blind assumptions about our past and calling other ignorant though.
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who cares? :P i don't
Most old-hand Slashdot readers capitalize "I".
said by the guy with a near 7 digit ID.
I was thinking about responding and saying something sarcastic about how obvious it is. But then i realized the movie was released in 1991, and we're in 2008. So it's entirely conceivable that someone could be reading this site (late 80s means you could be 20+, and i was reading this site when i was 17-18), and not know where that comes from. And then i felt old, and the need to share my observation.
call up Ron Paul and ask him what he'd do, and probably do that :P. I imagine starting with getting all our military home, would be one of the first few things.
The same way we test everything else. We can observe small scale evolution in a lab, the same way we observe pendulums. When things are harder to control we have to use more indirect evidence, using models from the lab and evidence that we can observe about the less cooperative phenomena. We can't put a second earth into orbit around the sun any more than we can duplicate hominid evolution, but we're pretty confident about gravity being responsible. Why should we suddenly become obstinate when it comes to biology?
The lab experiment proves things evolve. Great, I agree. So does Ron Paul. So does everyone I've ever talked to about the subject. Where's the evidence that we evolved from monkeys? Or whatever we evolved from? And can we even test that it's possible? How often do these theories change as new things are discovered? So why should i believe in somethign that's likely to change in year? Sounds a lot like a religion to me.
I dunno, but in the end, to dismiss someone from being a medical doctor because he doesn't believe we evolved from monkeys, is short sighted, imo.
Aw, did I upset you? Libertarians are usually associated with thicker skins...
Yes i'm terribly upset...
So he believes in evolution, but not the theory of evolution. Brilliant. What other words does he get to redefine mid-sentence?
he didn't redefine anything. He said theory of evolution. There's a huge difference between thinking we evolved from apes, and thinking that things evolve.
Ah, the old "you don't know 100% how the universe came to be, so therefore every other theory has equal validity" argument. That's an invalid argument, and only serves the purpose of letting everyone else know what kind of person you are.
we can test theories about gravity and basic physics. So those we can feel fairly confident about. But how do we test where we came from?
I don't care if you believe we evolved from monkeys, I don't care if someone else believes 'God' created us, I don't care someone else believes Xenu created it. I really don't. But you cannot prove, with much of any certainty, that we evolved from X. You can observe what's happening now, and try to make correlations and make educated guesses, and guess what, that's called science.
As I said, he's a 'doctor' who doesn't believe in evolution, which makes me question his medical credentials. How does he feel about evolving flu viruses or newly drug-resistant bacteria? But sure, every theory is equally valid, simply because we haven't answered every question out there.
like i said before there's a huge difference between things evolving and saying we evolved from X, i don't see how anyone could confuse them.
He doesn't believe the theory of evolution, which is to say, where we came from. That is NOT the same as saying he doens't believe in evolution.
And further he says he doesn't think there's any absolute proof on either side. And further he said that the president shouldn't be making such decisions. From what he said, i agree with him. Or perhaps you can enlighten us, beyond a shadow of a doubt, where we came from?
So what exactly is your objection?
And because he disagrees with you on 1 issue you don't think he deserves the title Dr. ? how about you get your arrogant head out of your ass.
If you want to be a software developer, and don't particularly care in which language, it would be a good idea to do a project in your spare time, in one of the main languages (C++/java/C#) used. Java seems to have the most jobs available, of couurse, that may vary in your area. The thing you need to be getting out of your education is understanding the basics, that transcend all languages. Rhe difference between C++, java, and C# are made to be a bigger deal than they really are. You should be able to program in any of these without to much effort. I think the best advice is to be smart, and take what you read here on /. with a grain of salt, as people here tend to overreact to almost everything.
"A Real Programmer Can Write in Any Language (C, Java, Lisp, Ada)"
that's true, but again soft engineering/programming is a subset of computer science (maybe, i suppose you could argue they aren't)
"Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes."
- Edsger Dijkstra
and their coming for us soon. Just like those aliens from Independence Day.
I have mod points, bring em on!