Yeah call the police who will arrive in 3 hours and you lose whatever it is the thief took. The police are inefficient at actually protecting people.
I don't think being civilized means letting anyone who's threatening you, take whatever they want. I think you have a right to defend yourself and your property. Even though I'd probably do exactly what you describe.
i really do not get this whole idea that the US sucks because of lack of broad band adaptation. I mean, I have broadband, and it's nice for what i do. But do my parents need it? no dialup would be fine for them. Do my sisters need it? no. You can certainly browse the web and send/recieve email on dialup, so I really don't get this obsession over it. (by obsession i mean I see these articles frequently on/. for some reason.)
you know i've been here since 99/00 sometime and i've seen that same jonkatz excuse so many times now.. it's really ok just to admit you didnt' find slashdot until like 2004. there's no shame in being a complete n00b:)
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There can be no reasonable debate if the facts are ignored. I am sick of endlessly debating established facts, its a waste of time and a distraction from a real discussion.
ok so everything the government/courts say is always correct right? (which was my point with OJ.)
The barrier is to make a product that can compete with and beat MS. That's the barrier. these other barriers you think exist, would disappear if that would happen.
I've been using linux and open source software for a bloody decade now, and I can say without a doubt the quality has always been, in the end, inferior for an end user, though it's always been progressing.
Apparently somebody was paying attention in Grade 10 chemistry.
where's the -1 Canadian mod?
(i'm joking!)
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well the courts also aquitted OJ.
regardless, i don't care if they legally are a monopoly or not. There have been legitmate compitetors to MS (both office and windows) forever. And there was nothing MS could do to prevent people from using these compitetors.
Which goes back to what you originally said.
I haven't seen any credible study or statistic that indicates that people want windows.
The study you're looking for is the amount of money MS made off windows. Granted maybe you could flip want/need around.
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Oh! cool, I'll go to a store and buy a laptop with BeOS or Linux. But I can't. I have no choice.
You can go to a store and buy a mac. I'm pretty sure you can find a store that will sell you linux computers. Walmart did(still does?). Dell does and has for quite a while. And there's plenty of other places you can buy a PC with linux on it.
It's like buying a TV that only gets HBO. Why does the TV HAVE to come with HBO?
That's a really bad comparision. You can do whatever the heck you want with a PC, including installing other OSes.
I don't care that they've been legally found guilty of being a monopoly. They aren't. They would love to be, then they would never have had to release XP. Then they wouldn't have to try and improve office. and ect.
Microsoft has such a large share because of mostly inertia and lack of anything better. Their attempts at being a monopoly have pretty well failed.
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People may be used to it, but they don't *choose* it, per se' People *choose* Macintosh, but since Microsoft has a monopoly, one can only view a windows purchase as acceptance of the default.
They don't have a monopoly. Certainly atleast people can get a mac, so there goes the whole monopoly thing. Even on the PC's, many people know about linux and have tried it, but guess what? it really offers no completive advantages over windows for most people. So why switch? There's really not much of a reason to deal with the pain of isntalling a new OS and dealing with drivers. ANd you can, and have been able to buy PCs without windows.
When we have real competition in the market place, we can start studying what people really want.
We do have real competition. Right now. It's just there's still no great reason to use linux. It's a slow process though.
an idiot saying that you can't just print money when some politician wants to? Boy, what a moron to expect that government control it's spending, and artificially manipulate the economy.
And how the hell would implementing a gold standard(which isn't even what he was proposing) shoot the economy to hell?
He's an isolationist, they are interventionists. He's anti-Israel, they are pro-Israel. He wants to reduce the defense budget, they want to increase it.
No damnit. he's not an isolationist. he is for non intervention. He wants to trade and talk to other countries, but not interfere with them. And he's not anti-Israel, he thinks we should treat Israel as we treat every other country in the world.
I think even non science fields could benefit from having some basic programming course requried to graduate. like a quarter of haskell or something.
And if functional programming scares you, maybe something like QBasic (flame away, I think it's great for this sort of thing) or pascal. Of course the problem with those, is the students will lose interest in printing characters to a terminal, so maybe something more graphical, or a presetup environment that would allow you to graphically display things. I say this because a friend of mine took a programming class and while doesn't care to program, thought it was somewhat neat when he could see the actual results. and in the mean time he was doing some 3d math and programming.
The C and C++ tool set is *never* going away. You can't, in any practical sense, write an OS in java.
Why the heck do people think this?? You certainly can write an OS in other languages and people have. I suspect many of the OSes of the future will not be written in C/C++.
C and C++ are *the* standard for writing system level software. Most all system software is written in one of them and they are tightly coupled.
I'd say C is the standard.
There is no other language currently or on the realistic horizon that can replace their functionality.
their functionality? what functionality is it, that you can't duplicate elsewhere?
C and C++ let you do things that you *cannot* no matter how hard you try in other languages.
the reverse is also true.. but since they're all turing complete.. the only partial truth to your statement, is it isn't currently practical to do somethings in some languages, right now.
No matter how much you improve the JVM, you will *never* be able to write a video codec in java (when the jvm compacts, it has to stop the world, and thus the video too). Nor will you be able to write kernel modules. Nor will you be able to write a large commercial video game. The list goes on and on...
You can certainly write kernel modules in java(check out jnode.. and there's no reason you can't compile java code directly to native code anyways), you can certainly write a commmercial video game in java (fast and 3d and all that). And while I've never written or looked into writing a video codec, i would suspect you could do that in java as well. I think you're overestimating performance implications.
Scheme, ruby, python, lua, and lots of other languages come and go, but C++ is a powerful tool that is here to stay.
lisp (which is what scheme is), is older than C. And thus older than C++. fortran was first, then came lisp.
I do however, aggree with your first statement, and who care's what's in fashion:)
i mean i hear all the time how easy 60-70 is, supposedly, but man it's a pain if you're a casual player like myself. 62 and i need 600k to level or whatever. i have lost my motivation to play much.
Isn't there some physical evidence of some of the things in the new testment? What about the cloth that was used to supposidly wipe Jesus's face? and wasn't it written from different sources who supposidly witnessed some of these events?
Not that I'm going to argue that it's even close 100% accurate, but i'm thinking it's gotta be more accurate than something written by a guy, who's own son said he made i up in under a month. http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html (search for month)
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you spin me right round baby right round.
or something like that anyways.
Yeah call the police who will arrive in 3 hours and you lose whatever it is the thief took. The police are inefficient at actually protecting people.
I don't think being civilized means letting anyone who's threatening you, take whatever they want. I think you have a right to defend yourself and your property. Even though I'd probably do exactly what you describe.
If the entire east coast of America is submerged under the sea, the world isn't ended, now is it?
sounds good to me! Westside for life!
i really do not get this whole idea that the US sucks because of lack of broad band adaptation. I mean, I have broadband, and it's nice for what i do. But do my parents need it? no dialup would be fine for them. Do my sisters need it? no. You can certainly browse the web and send/recieve email on dialup, so I really don't get this obsession over it. (by obsession i mean I see these articles frequently on /. for some reason.)
ahh Taco's just still mad over java invaders.
search for java
you know i've been here since 99/00 sometime and i've seen that same jonkatz excuse so many times now.. it's really ok just to admit you didnt' find slashdot until like 2004. there's no shame in being a complete n00b :)
There can be no reasonable debate if the facts are ignored. I am sick of endlessly debating established facts, its a waste of time and a distraction from a real discussion.
ok so everything the government/courts say is always correct right? (which was my point with OJ.)
The barrier is to make a product that can compete with and beat MS. That's the barrier. these other barriers you think exist, would disappear if that would happen.
I've been using linux and open source software for a bloody decade now, and I can say without a doubt the quality has always been, in the end, inferior for an end user, though it's always been progressing.
Apparently somebody was paying attention in Grade 10 chemistry.
where's the -1 Canadian mod?
(i'm joking!)
well the courts also aquitted OJ.
regardless, i don't care if they legally are a monopoly or not. There have been legitmate compitetors to MS (both office and windows) forever. And there was nothing MS could do to prevent people from using these compitetors.
Which goes back to what you originally said.
I haven't seen any credible study or statistic that indicates that people want windows.
The study you're looking for is the amount of money MS made off windows. Granted maybe you could flip want/need around.
Oh! cool, I'll go to a store and buy a laptop with BeOS or Linux. But I can't. I have no choice.
You can go to a store and buy a mac. I'm pretty sure you can find a store that will sell you linux computers. Walmart did(still does?). Dell does and has for quite a while. And there's plenty of other places you can buy a PC with linux on it.
It's like buying a TV that only gets HBO. Why does the TV HAVE to come with HBO?
That's a really bad comparision. You can do whatever the heck you want with a PC, including installing other OSes.
I don't care that they've been legally found guilty of being a monopoly. They aren't. They would love to be, then they would never have had to release XP. Then they wouldn't have to try and improve office. and ect.
Microsoft has such a large share because of mostly inertia and lack of anything better. Their attempts at being a monopoly have pretty well failed.
People may be used to it, but they don't *choose* it, per se' People *choose* Macintosh, but since Microsoft has a monopoly, one can only view a windows purchase as acceptance of the default.
They don't have a monopoly. Certainly atleast people can get a mac, so there goes the whole monopoly thing. Even on the PC's, many people know about linux and have tried it, but guess what? it really offers no completive advantages over windows for most people. So why switch? There's really not much of a reason to deal with the pain of isntalling a new OS and dealing with drivers. ANd you can, and have been able to buy PCs without windows.
When we have real competition in the market place, we can start studying what people really want.
We do have real competition. Right now. It's just there's still no great reason to use linux. It's a slow process though.
an idiot saying that you can't just print money when some politician wants to? Boy, what a moron to expect that government control it's spending, and artificially manipulate the economy.
And how the hell would implementing a gold standard(which isn't even what he was proposing) shoot the economy to hell?
He's an isolationist, they are interventionists. He's anti-Israel, they are pro-Israel. He wants to reduce the defense budget, they want to increase it.
No damnit. he's not an isolationist. he is for non intervention. He wants to trade and talk to other countries, but not interfere with them. And he's not anti-Israel, he thinks we should treat Israel as we treat every other country in the world.
oh yeah? well anytime i feel bloated, it's always thanks to something i've added.
well, with a bit more government regulation..
I think even non science fields could benefit from having some basic programming course requried to graduate. like a quarter of haskell or something.
And if functional programming scares you, maybe something like QBasic (flame away, I think it's great for this sort of thing) or pascal. Of course the problem with those, is the students will lose interest in printing characters to a terminal, so maybe something more graphical, or a presetup environment that would allow you to graphically display things. I say this because a friend of mine took a programming class and while doesn't care to program, thought it was somewhat neat when he could see the actual results. and in the mean time he was doing some 3d math and programming.
The C and C++ tool set is *never* going away. You can't, in any practical sense, write an OS in java.
Why the heck do people think this?? You certainly can write an OS in other languages and people have. I suspect many of the OSes of the future will not be written in C/C++.
C and C++ are *the* standard for writing system level software. Most all system software is written in one of them and they are tightly coupled.
I'd say C is the standard.
There is no other language currently or on the realistic horizon that can replace their functionality.
their functionality? what functionality is it, that you can't duplicate elsewhere?
ok but there's not tons of old main frames running still?
i believe the hardware that mainframes run on would be classified as a CISC (ESA/390 i think?), which aren't dead. Not by a long shot, unfortunately.
C and C++ let you do things that you *cannot* no matter how hard you try in other languages.
:)
the reverse is also true.. but since they're all turing complete.. the only partial truth to your statement, is it isn't currently practical to do somethings in some languages, right now.
No matter how much you improve the JVM, you will *never* be able to write a video codec in java (when the jvm compacts, it has to stop the world, and thus the video too). Nor will you be able to write kernel modules. Nor will you be able to write a large commercial video game. The list goes on and on...
You can certainly write kernel modules in java(check out jnode.. and there's no reason you can't compile java code directly to native code anyways), you can certainly write a commmercial video game in java (fast and 3d and all that). And while I've never written or looked into writing a video codec, i would suspect you could do that in java as well. I think you're overestimating performance implications.
Scheme, ruby, python, lua, and lots of other languages come and go, but C++ is a powerful tool that is here to stay.
lisp (which is what scheme is), is older than C. And thus older than C++. fortran was first, then came lisp.
I do however, aggree with your first statement, and who care's what's in fashion
I wouldn't be so sure.
i'm not sure people are that interested in the open sourcing of the language, as much as the open sourcing of the jvm.
ANd yes i know you were trying to be funny.
ugh level to 80?
i mean i hear all the time how easy 60-70 is, supposedly, but man it's a pain if you're a casual player like myself. 62 and i need 600k to level or whatever. i have lost my motivation to play much.
Isn't there some physical evidence of some of the things in the new testment? What about the cloth that was used to supposidly wipe Jesus's face? and wasn't it written from different sources who supposidly witnessed some of these events?
Not that I'm going to argue that it's even close 100% accurate, but i'm thinking it's gotta be more accurate than something written by a guy, who's own son said he made i up in under a month. http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html (search for month)
since it's a combination of regular expressions i pronounce it "reg x"
but i also think that char should be pronounced like (char)acter and not (char)red