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Ron Paul Campaign Answers Slashdot Reader Questions

On January 15th we asked you for tech-oriented questions we could send to the various presidential candidates, and you responded like mad. The candidates were the exact opposite: not a single one answered emails we sent to their "media inquiry" links or email addresses. Slashdot has more readers than all but a handful of major daily papers, so that's kind of strange. Maybe they figure our votes aren't worth much or that hardly any of us vote. In any case, the Ron Paul campaign finally responded, due to some string-pulling by a Slashdot reader who knows some of Ron Paul's Texas campaign people. Perhaps other Slashdot readers -- like you (hint hint) -- can pull a few strings with some of the other campaigns and get them to communicate with us. Use this email address, please. But first, you'll probably want to read the Ron Paul campaign's answers to your questions (below).

1) Global high tech

In the last year, India and China have both announced and made progress towards implementing their own space programs. How should America respond to such growing technological boldness in such countries? Is it a threat or an opportunity?

Ron Paul campaign:
America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world and worry more about its own national security interests, including its interests in a viable space program. As president, I will also work to remove barriers to private space flight.

2) Why Can't I Get a Straight Answer?

I've noticed that a number of candidates (I'm not naming names) and a number of administration officials will not answer a question in a clear and concise fashion. The subject could be anything from "Do you think waterboarding is torture?" to "What will be your stance toward the war in Iraq if you are elected?"

So my question to you is, "Do you think that I want someone in that office (Whichever one it is) who is deliberately attempting to deceive me?"

Even if you don't answer this question, I hope you think about it the next time someone asks you a question.

Ron Paul campaign:
The American people should expect clear and direct answers to their questions. Not only have I always strived to clearly state my position on issues, but my voting record backs up my commitment to the free-market, limited government philosophy I espouse on the campaign trail.

3) Marijuana

I'm a college graduate with a decent job in a technical field. I pay my taxes, my debts are minimal. I get along well with others, and am close to my family. I like to think that I am a good citizen and contribute to society. Yet because I smoke marijuana instead of drinking beer when I come home from work, my government has declared war on me.

My question is this: Do you believe I belong in jail? If so, why? If not, what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?

Ron Paul campaign:
I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws.

4) What do you think about technology?

Can you clarify your policy around fair use of digital media and content? More specifically, can you explain how you will balance the rights of the average citizen to use digital content in "fair use" ways (backups, time-shifting, parody, etc.) with the need for corporations to protect IP investments? With the previous two administrations we have seen an erosion of fair-use rights via the DMCA and copyright extension bills. As President, will your policies tend to favor these trends or reverse them?

Ron Paul campaign:
I favor enforcement of intellectual property rights; however, some of the steps taken to protect these rights impose unreasonable burdens on the consumers and even raise civil liberties concerns. As president, I will seek a balance between the interest of copyright holders and consumers of digital media.

5) What do you think about patents?

People complain about taxes being the main hindrance of innovation, but when someone creates a new product, be it an iPhone or a Blackberry, they aren't looking out for the tax man. The main hindrance to American technological innovation is a patent system that rewards people for sitting on ideas and punishes those who create new products.

It has become an accepted fact that when you create something new, you will likely have to pay companies that had nothing whatsoever to do with your invention, just because they filed a patent while never intending to actually produce or sell anything.

As President, would you fix our broken patent system?

Ron Paul campaign:
Patents have a role to play in encouraging innovation. While I do not have a plan for patent reform yet, I would want to work with Congress to make sure that the US patent system encourages and rewards innovation. Making sure the patent system is fair to small business and entrepreneurs, rewards the actual inventors of a product, and does not tilt the playing field to large corporations will be a priority in my administration's approach to patent law.

1,011 comments

  1. an email link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    an email link? on the front page of /. ?

    I'm sure there will be no abuse or spam with that one.

    1. Re:an email link by boisepunk · · Score: 0

      Hey Ron Paul's not in this! Oh wait...

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    2. Re:an email link by snl2587 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good point. Why didn't the poster use something like the Hivelogic Enkoder? At least only real people would then send messages to the account.

  2. coflicting answers by nevurthls · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To me the answer to question 2 very much conflicts with the answer to question 1.

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    1. Re:coflicting answers by nevurthls · · Score: 2, Informative

      or question 4, or question 5 for that matter.

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    2. Re:coflicting answers by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      You want consistency? From a politician?!?

      Welcome to Earth. Enjoy your stay.

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    3. Re:coflicting answers by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And question 3, really.

      Then again, these are not Mr Paul's words or views ("The Ron Paul Campaign" ?) --They have been sterilised, vetted, re-vetted and possibly not even drafted by Paul.

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    4. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How so?

      #1 is horrible shorthand for:

      Playing cop and peacemaker and bully across different parts of the world is expensive and contrary to our national interests.
      If you reverse course on those policies, you allow of lower taxes by cutting the actual need for the money. That in turn allows
      the country to focus on 'true national interests' which includes private research of all sorts.

    5. Re:coflicting answers by GradiusCVK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't really see how that's the case, both answers seemed pretty compatible... perhaps if you had given a reason or two we could discuss this further. Your lack of details notwithstanding, let me try to explain why they are not in conflict: 1: He basically stated that by discontinuing our subsidization of other countries through military aid, they will quickly find they have a lot less money to blow on costly, competitive space plans. Beyond that, it's not our business to try to interfere with other countries' efforts to build a space infrastructure. We ought to try to improve our own, of course. 2: He said he believes we all deserve straightforward, concise answers to our questions. I see no conflict... I assume you intended to say that his answer to question 1 was somehow not a straight answer, but I contend that if you try using that brain of yours for something other than snarky comments you will quickly find he gave a very concise, logical answer to question 1 while explicitly avoiding buzzwords and fluff.

    6. Re:coflicting answers by Kintar1900 · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. "Insightful" gets my vote, since there's no "Trollslayer" moderation. :)

    7. Re:coflicting answers by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To me the answer to question 2 very much conflicts with the answer to question 1. Please explain?
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    8. Re:coflicting answers by moderatorrater · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The whole thing is bullshit. There's no way anyone spent more than 15 minutes on these stupid answers. Also, typical politician speak, in which they take 5 sentences to say "I agree".

    9. Re:coflicting answers by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1

      What I gather he's saying is the American government shouldn't worry about whether X country has a space program and instead just focus on our own space goals, including reducing private space red tape. I agree it cryptic.

    10. Re:coflicting answers by pla · · Score: 1

      To me the answer to question 2 very much conflicts with the answer to question 1.

      The answer to #1 may appear confusing if you don't quite "get" how Libertarians (whether running as Republican or not) think.

      To translate it into plain English, he thinks we should have nothing to do with a government-sponsored space-race. We should instead have a regulatory climate friendly to the numerous private ventures trying to do the same damned thing without using our tax dollars in the process.


      Questions 4 and 5, however, somewhat surprise me. A proper libertarian would have ranted about "corporate protectionism" and flatly stated he would do away with all but the bare minimum of IP-related laws. Then again, part of RP's appeal comes from his sanity rather than his strict adherence to unrealistic Libertarian ideals, so he (as with the vast majority of people) might just not have considered those issues to nearly the same extent we Slashdotters do on an almost daily basis.

    11. Re:coflicting answers by Surt · · Score: 1

      The problem with the answer to #1 is that there was no answer to: "Is it a threat or an opportunity?".
      A direct answer would seem to have to be one of: threat, opportunity, none of the above, all of the above.

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    12. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There should be a Trollslayer mod! You're brilliant! MPU: Brilliant!

    13. Re:coflicting answers by HappyDrgn · · Score: 1

      At least they took 15 minutes to respond.

    14. Re:coflicting answers by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know, there's a good story about consistency and politics.

      There were two referenda in Ireland. One was about banning abortion. It passed, and abortion was made illegal. The other was about stopping pregnant women from travelling to England to have an abortion. That also failed and they were free to travel. Now arguably the two positions are not consistent. But I can see the logic behind them - personally I'm in favour of abortion, but I can imagine other situation where I would want to ban something but not close all the loopholes because that would violate some deeper, overriding principle of civil liberties. But the most important point is that the demos in a democracy doesn't have to be consistent. Now if you're a democratic politician you basically don't want to annoy the majority on any issue and that means you can't be consistent either.

      Now some politicians are incredibly consistent, but I suspect that you really don't want them in power. In a sense all sufficiently complex ideology must also be incomplete I guess.

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    15. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? If you want a complex, confusing answer, Ron is the wrong one to ask. His answer really is that simple -- he doesn't care what they do, so no, he doesn't see it as a threat. If the Congress decides otherwise, that's their job. He does want to remove barriers to private space flight here.

    16. Re:coflicting answers by onemorechip · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I assumed differently, namely that he meant that if Paul is for strong national security (answer #1), he would likely, if President, find that he would have to avoid answering, or give misleading answers, to some questions (contradicting answer #2). But we'll have to hope the original poster comes back to answer, 'cause I'm only guessing, too.

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    17. Re:coflicting answers by oldhack · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You know you drank the cool-aid if you manage to read whatever you want to read out of vague statements from the candidate that you for whatever reason decided to back. This seems most prevalent among Obama backers - guess the "hope" campaign is working. Also interesting that Pew pollsters profiles Obama backers to be more educated lot compared to Clinton backers (among Demos).

      I don't mean to (dis?)endorse Obama, Paul, or Clinton, btw. I am not even sure what a candidate ought to say during the campaign, given the way they are waged, and what correlation, if any, exists between campaign positions and their actions in office.

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    18. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see how they can conflict, since question #2 was never answered. I guess, "Do you think that I want someone in that office (Whichever one it is) who is deliberately attempting to deceive me?" sounds pretty rhetorical, so I shouldn't care, but it was the question he was specifically asked not to avoid answering.

    19. Re:coflicting answers by rherbert · · Score: 1

      I think you're saying that limited government contradicts having a strong military and space program. I disagree - limited government means not sticking federal fingers in places they shouldn't be. One of the primary roles of the federal government is to provide a national defense. Another role is to do large-scale things that the states can't do on their own.

    20. Re:coflicting answers by Syberghost · · Score: 1

      You're making the "I'm a Libertarian, he's a Libertarian, I think this, therefore he thinks this" fallacy.

      His answer to whether we should consider the Chinese and Indian space programs threats or opportunities is that we shouldn't be subsidizing their defense. The only way that answer makes sense is if it means "Americans shouldn't be giving money to Chinese and Indian businesses" because that's how we're subsidizing their defense.

      The question then becomes, by what means does he propose to prevent this? Or is his non-answer so non-answerish that it parses to "I wish I had a pony"?

      This is why even Neal Boortz says Paul is a kook.

    21. Re:coflicting answers by GradiusCVK · · Score: 1

      Haha, I would definitely support the creation of a trollslayer mod, that's pretty much my hobby here on Slashdot. Also, thx for the kind words Kintar :-)

    22. Re:coflicting answers by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To translate it into plain English, he thinks we should have nothing to do with a government-sponsored space-race.

      He actually didn't even say that.

      What he said was this: First, we need to get rid of our insane military budget. Then we can have wonderfully interesting debate on whether we should have a 25% tax cut or double NASA's budget and have a 24% tax cut.

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    23. Re:coflicting answers by altinos.com · · Score: 1

      His aim is to prevent the Federal government from giving tax dollars to these countries in the form of foreign aid. (I assume he also has a plan to stop selling our debt to the Chinese, but I have not looked it up.) If Americans still want to purchase Chinese made products, and thereby subsidize the Chinese government, then Ron Paul won't stand in their way. To interfere in that would be to interfere in the free market, and that's against his philosophy.

    24. Re:coflicting answers by LoaTao · · Score: 1

      Same old NULL-Speak as you get from all the wannabes. Reminds me of my days trying to gather requirements from customers at a Fortune 500 company. Vague, contridictory and looking for a position of deniability. Meh.

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    25. Re:coflicting answers by somersault · · Score: 1

      How exactly do you propose to test that every person travelling to the mainland isn't going for an abortion anyway, no wonder that failed..

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    26. Re:coflicting answers by altinos.com · · Score: 1

      Based on his previous statements, I would say that unless we have intelligence data indicating China is going to build a massive battle station in space, then we have no reason to interfere. Certainly he wouldn't stand in the way of private corporations selling their products and services to help China get into space for peaceful reasons.

    27. Re:coflicting answers by lubricated · · Score: 1

      in question number 1. "is it a threat or an opportunity?"

      in the answer for number 1 this isn't answered.

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    28. Re:coflicting answers by somersault · · Score: 1

      I think his answer was more that America should quit wasting money by quashing everything it sees as a threat, and then you will automatically be creating opportunities for yourselves by not spending 100 million a month (or whatever it was) on the war in Iraq. Note that I'm not an american, neither do I live in America or even know much about Ron Paul beyond all the mud slinging that I've seen on /. and wikipedia, but his answers did seem to address the issues in the questions even if the questions were expecting a 'yes or no' answer. Sometimes the best answer doesn't even address the question directly, it addresses the reason that the question exists. I can't believe I just said that, because I hate when politicians meander all over the place, but in this case the answers seem pretty sane as far as political speak goes. I like how the answer to question two tries to say just what American citizens "should" expect though, sounds to me like they're trying to tell people what to think :p

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    29. Re:coflicting answers by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 0

      Wow, I guess Ron Paul really *is* a politician-type, because I *also* thought his answers were clear, but interpreted them almost the opposite of you!

      Beyond that, it's not our business to try to interfere with other countries' efforts to build a space infrastructure. We ought to try to improve our own, of course

      Sorry, I read his answer as saying that we shouldn't have a space program, except perhaps insofar as space will be a military attack vector.

      "America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world and worry more about its own national security interests, including its interests in a viable space program."

      I saw "worry more" as "reconsider", i.e., "think about our national security and decide whether a space program works toward that". I mean, that would be consistent with his life-long opposition to federal programs not in the Constitution.

      Note the sheepish follow-up of, hey, but don't worry -- "I will also work to remove barriers to private space flight." i.e. so you geeks can put up with NASA's defunding a lot easier.

      Disclaimer: I am a long-time libertarian, and short-time local Ron Paul organizer.

    30. Re:coflicting answers by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If that's the case then the OP is laboring under a false understanding of "national security". National Security does not necessarily or always == keeping secrets.

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    31. Re:coflicting answers by bcattwoo · · Score: 1

      1: He basically stated that by discontinuing our subsidization of other countries through military aid, they will quickly find they have a lot less money to blow on costly, competitive space plans. Beyond that, it's not our business to try to interfere with other countries' efforts to build a space infrastructure. We ought to try to improve our own, of course. Now I interpreted his statement as meaning once we waste less money on defending other nations we will have more money to waste on our space programs. I don't know to what extent India relies on us militarily, but China sure as heck doesn't, so his answer as you interpret it doesn't make a lick of sense.

      If his answer was clear and concise, your post would be unnecessary not insightful. To me it reads like the usual "stick to the message" politician speak.
    32. Re:coflicting answers by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Mandatory pregnancy test on departure for all females of childbearing age.
      If they are no longer pregnant a month after their return, then short of a proven miscarriage, etc. they are prosecuted.

      pretty horrific... but that is how you do it.

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    33. Re:coflicting answers by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I'm not that surprised by 4 and 5, and I think you hit the nail right on the head. The reality is that we can't all be experts at everything. Ron knows more about monetary policy than most anyone here. That's not because of ability, but just because of focus. I've followed Ron's political career for over ten years now, and this is just not an area he has ever spent any time on. My guess is that he really has no idea just how broken our patent and copyright system is. Given some time to study it I have no doubts that he would act consistently with the rest of his philosophy and want to see it fixed.

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    34. Re:coflicting answers by s20451 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then again, these are not Mr Paul's words or views ("The Ron Paul Campaign" ?) --They have been sterilised, vetted, re-vetted and possibly not even drafted by Paul.

      Just like the Ron Paul newsletters! Right?

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    35. Re:coflicting answers by CrkHead · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the poster was expecting "Funny" not "Insightful" from the moderators.

    36. Re:coflicting answers by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is actually pretty consistent with the rest of his campaign literature...

      His logic goes like this.

      Why spend 1 trillion dollars and 100,000 soldiers protecting oil flow and royally pissing off huge numbers of people. If the "real" cost of oil is $200 a barrel and we are hiding that by using tax payer money to provide security then stop doing that. With the true price of oil unmasked, then other alternatives become economically viable.

      Why put 35,000 troops and a hundred million dollars a year into other countries we have been at peace with since 1960 or earlier? We could have those troops ready to move fast to real problem areas and use the money to buy new planes and tanks instead of funding discos in germany, japan, and south korea where our young troops go to party on leave.

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      We have essentially created a "commons" of "free" money in the federal government. We are looting and pillaging it while ignoring the fact that the "free" money is really coming out of our own pockets.

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    37. Re:coflicting answers by Surt · · Score: 1

      In other words 'opportunity', but Ron Paul wouldn't be willing to make such a strong commitment, just in case it comes back to bite him in the ass later, aka he's just like the rest of the politicians.

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    38. Re:coflicting answers by somersault · · Score: 1

      Exactly - that's (hopefully) never going to happen outside of a dictatorship..

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    39. Re:coflicting answers by slashkitty · · Score: 1

      I agree that they conflict. It took expanding on the answer to clear up the first part of the first question, and the second part of the first question went completely unanswered.

      The real problem is that he just stated his POLICY. He did not ANSWER the question.

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    40. Re:coflicting answers by Intron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We have essentially created a "commons" of "free" money in the federal government. We are looting and pillaging it while ignoring the fact that the "free" money is really coming out of our own pockets. This is what enrages me about the Bush tax cut proposal. It is much the same as if your boss told you he was giving you a raise by letting you charge $1000 more on your own credit card. Are people really that stupid?
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    41. Re:coflicting answers by GradiusCVK · · Score: 1

      Strange, I can't seem to find where I stated his answer was clear and concise, though I do remember saying "if you try using that brain of yours for something other than snarky comments you will quickly find he gave a very concise, logical answer."
      Sorry, but you walked right into that one. In any case, I agree with you that by saving this money we could then spend it on our own space programs, I suppose I myself wasn't clear enough for a portion of the readers here on that aspect of the issue.

    42. Re:coflicting answers by nschubach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are people really that stupid?
      Yes.

      There are also people out there that assume there is a magic bullet government program that will fix everything.
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    43. Re:coflicting answers by MechaStreisand · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm pretty sure it HAS happened, though: I've heard of a case of someone in one european country, where abortions were legal but not after the first trimester, travelled to a different european country, got an abortion, returned, and was charged with murder. Recent, too - heard about it here on /.. Found something about it here.

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    44. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what enrages me about the Bush tax cut proposal. It is much the same as if your boss told you he was giving you a raise by letting you charge $1000 more on your own credit card. Are people really that stupid?

      If that was all, it wouldn't bother me as much. What bothers me more is that the proposal isn't proportional to taxes paid. It rips off those paying high taxes, because they get the same amount, but will have to pay more of it back and those paying no *income* tax, because they get nothing, but will still have to help pay for it via payroll taxes and other federal fees. I probably end up ahead, but I'm still sick of "tax cut" republicans ignoring pretending income tax is the only tax.

    45. Re:coflicting answers by sckeener · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed...

      cause the answer to question one sounded an awful lot like he was going to gut government space programs to help private sector space programs...

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    46. Re:coflicting answers by mrxak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And only 5 answered questions, if you can call them answered. This "interview" is thoroughly disappointing.

    47. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1
      I'm pretty sure it HAS happened, though

      I can't tell if this is hysteria or just sloppy pronoun useage. Does the "it" refer to someone being prosucuted for getting an illegal abortion at all, or does it refer to the draconian methods proposed for ensuring this doesn't happen:

      Mandatory pregnancy test on departure for all females of childbearing age.
      If they are no longer pregnant a month after their return, then short of a proven miscarriage, etc. they are prosecuted. I've noticed that pro-choice people frequently assert that if abortion were to be made legal, the country that made it illegal what have to revert to all kinds of 1984-esque techniques to actually prevent abortions. This is true. The problem is that just because something is illegal does not mean it has to be - or even can be - arbitrarily enforce. For example: child abuse is illegal but that does not mean the government can trample rights at will to prevent child abuse. If you are seen beating your kid, you are likely to be arrested. If you aren't seen beating your kid, the cops have no right to break down your door and check.

      The two main problems are:

      1. enforcement of any law has to conform to restrictions on government powers (Miranda rights, warrants, etc.)
      2. criminal law is essentially punitive and not preventative in nature

      In any case, the story in Spain you refer to is obviously *not* some sort of draconian "you have to take a pregnancy test to travel" and "you have to prove a lack of pregnancy resulted from a natural miscarriage" instance. From your own source, here's what happened:

      On November 26th, 2007, police agents searched four Barcelona clinics owned by Dr. Carlos Morin. The raid was ordered by the Court of Justice following a complaint by a Catholic anti-abortion group, e-Christians, which claimed abortions were being performed illegally. Dr. Morin had been shown on TV in a secretly recorded tape offering an abortion to a Danish woman who was in her seventh month of pregnancy, and explaining that "loopholes" in Spanish law that would make this possible. Further raids followed at other clinics; 13 people were arrested, including doctors and anesthesiologists. In Holland, a Dutch woman returning from Spain was arrested and charged with having undergone an illegal abortion. Almost all Madrid clinics were then raided - and a number of irregularities were allegedly found. These included forged signatures of physicians performing abortions, presigned blank medical forms signed by a psychiatrist who certified that the "patient" - unnamed and unexamined - suffered from a serious mental health problems that justified an abortion under Spanish law, and evidence of an attempt by one clinic to destroy medical records in anticipation of police action. So the raids came only after there was reasonable suspicion of illegal activity. I'm not so sure about the admissibility of the hidden video footage, but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of entrapment. Someone goes in, asks for an illegal abortion, and the MD explains how it can be arranged. As a result of this evidence of illegal activity, raids are conducted which result in accumulating far more evidence that abortion laws in Spain were being circumvented.

      This has nothing to do with Orwellian mandatory pregnancy tests or some kind of reversal (for the US, anyway) of the presumption of innocence that would require a woman to somehow prove that a miscarriage was spontaneous and not induced. I don't know if the OP actually thinks pro-life advocates would favor such insanity or not, but it's neither required as a part of the pro-life position nor embraced by any pro-life person that I have talked to in my entire life. I, as a pro-life individual, would be right there on the protest lines against such a rampant and unwarranted infringement of individual liberties.

      Oh, and for the record, Ron Paul is extremely pro-life.
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    48. Re:coflicting answers by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Easily 30% of what the federal government does could be cut back and then you can immediately pay off the deficit and then lower taxes. And those lost services would be replaced at the state level in the states that felt they were good enough to pay for.

      So my federal taxes go down, and my state taxes go up - and since economies of scale are lost, my state taxes go up by more than my federal taxes go down. Brilliant!

      Yes, there's plenty of wasted money at all levels of government - at the federal level, most "defense" spending is a waste; at the state level, law enforcement for "consensual crimes" is not only corrosive to liberty but darned expensive as well. And yes, there's legitimate debate to be had about what should be done at the state versus federal level. But that doesn't mean that there aren't good practical reasons for some things to be done at the federal level.

      We are looting and pillaging it while ignoring the fact that the "free" money is really coming out of our own pockets.

      Nah. Thanks to the "borrow and spend" philosophy followed by the GOP since Reagan, that money comes out of the pockets of future generations.

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    49. Re:coflicting answers by podperson · · Score: 1

      Easily 30% of what the federal government does could be cut back and then you can immediately pay off the deficit and then lower taxes.

      Only if that 30% came from the Defense Budget, which is 60% of taxes. Or do you think we can easily cut back 75% of everything the Federal government does that isn't defense-related?

    50. Re:coflicting answers by KingArthur10 · · Score: 1

      Germany, Japan, and South Korea are all staging areas for our troops for deployment. Almost all operations in Africa and the Middle East are staged out of Germany and Turkey. Asian conflicts would be staged out of Japan and South Korea. They have these bases in place for rapid global mobility. It's a hell of a lot more effective to fly one C-5 to Germany with supplies to go on C-17's to Turkey and Kuwait than have C-17s fly from the US and have to make multiple hops. That also makes us more reliant on the good will of other nations, ultimately a hindrance to rapid global mobility (just look at Uzbekistan kicking us out or the Turkey-Kurd conflict). We need these large, permanent bases if we are to keep our ability to strike anywhere quickly with a consistent flow of supplies.

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    51. Re:coflicting answers by Woundweavr · · Score: 1
      You get that from the answer? Wow. OK. Lets say thats the case. "Horrible shorthand" would not be clear and concise would it? And lets put them together.

      1) Global high tech In the last year, India and China have both announced and made progress towards implementing their own space programs. How should America respond to such growing technological boldness in such countries? Is it a threat or an opportunity? Playing cop and peacemaker and bully across different parts of the world is expensive and contrary to our national interests. If you reverse course on those policies, you allow of lower taxes by cutting the actual need for the money. That in turn allows the country to focus on 'true national interests' which includes private research of all sorts.
      Yep even with your obviously pro-Paul stance, its not an answer, and its certainly not direct. If competitor Company X is making inroads in your market, your Company Y cutting unnecessary costs and selling off non-core divisions is not a response to this - at least not a direct response. At best, its secondary and thats only given the assumption that the benefits of the actions (smaller government) will somehow fix the problem in question (the so-called flattening world). In this case, not to get into whether the answer was correct or not, the lack of new engineers in this country and the increasingly lower cost of research abroad (another symptom of the problem in question) makes that very questionable.

      Of course the question of whether this was a threat or opportunity was never addressed in the first place and this in and of itself means that a clear and concise answer wasn't provided.

    52. Re:coflicting answers by dhasenan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Consistency is a serious problem with politicians. I've tried tenderizers, week-long marinades, cutting the meat into parchment-thin slices... Probably the only thing that's come close to working is shaving the meat as thin as possible and then putting it in a balsamic vinegar marinade for a couple days. Then it's gamy, not boot leather.

    53. Re:coflicting answers by Lane.exe · · Score: 1
      If you are seen beating your kid, you are likely to be arrested. If you aren't seen beating your kid, the cops have no right to break down your door and check.

      But they can! You see, any time you make some behavior prohibited, there is a concomitant debate about the scope of law enforcement powers in regard to prosecuting violators of the new law. Consider drugs: now, the "basic state" of US jurisprudence was that, at the federal level, you were protected from arbitrary government searches of you or your personal effects. But drugs! Drugs are bad. So we say, OK, there are cases in which the law enforcement officers can search without conforming with the letter of the 4th Amendment -- specifically, if probable cause and exigent circumstances (you will flush your drugs) exist, then the cops can search you or your home without a warrant.

      The remedy for such violations is only 50 years old at this point -- we have less than a century of exclusionary rule jurisprudence for a constitutional principle that's been in existence for almost two and a half centuries! So if we were to make abortion illegal at the federal level, consider: the question then shifts to, "but how much leeway do we give police in investigating potential abortions?" One answer is "very minimal," in which case the law would be a nullity. But consider: the other things we've prohibited on moral grounds (prostitution, drugs, etc.) give police huge leeway in investigation. Even for child abuse, something malum in se, we give police greater leeway when the best interests of the child are at stake. American jurisprudence suggests that if abortion were prohibited, the police forces would be given large discretion in investigation, because you're prevent murder, at least in the eyes of the law.

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    54. Re:coflicting answers by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1, Interesting

      We should instead have a regulatory climate friendly to the numerous private ventures trying to do the same damned thing without using our tax dollars in the process.

      What private ventures are these that are putting sciecne satellites in orbit and sending probes to other planets?

      Ok, there are a few private ventures interested in giving insanely wealthy people joyrides. NASA should stay out of that business, sure.

      Then again, part of RP's appeal comes from his sanity rather than his strict adherence to unrealistic Libertarian ideals

      His "sanity" such as his inability to accept the reality of biological evolution, his ability to make medical assessments of patients he's never examined (declaring that IDX is never medically necessary), his opposition to the separation of church and state and his typical Christian-right persecution complex? And his racism? (Paul-ites, before you claim he didn't write those articles, read the link and explain how he claimed authorship of them in 1996, just claiming they were quoted out of context?)

      Libertarians need to disassociate themselves from Paul and identify him for what he is: a loon.

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    55. Re:coflicting answers by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Those answers are completely irrelevant to the questions, it's exactly like his staff cut and pasted the answers to different questions to make up this "interview".

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    56. Re:coflicting answers by superwiz · · Score: 1

      It is my undestanding that it is precisely what happens in Peru. They have specilized forensic examiners that are trained in examining women (yes, it means exactly what it sounds like) for having had an abortion. And, yes, having had an abortion carries a prison term.

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    57. Re:coflicting answers by Wakkow · · Score: 1

      I doubt he'd be for increasing NASA's budget, a federal agency. That would contradict what he's been saying all along in terms of reducing the size of our federal government.

    58. Re:coflicting answers by philam3nt · · Score: 1
      I'm sorry, I don't see your perspective.

      [Q1] Ron Paul campaign:
      America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world and worry more about its own national security interests, including its interests in a viable space program. As president, I will also work to remove barriers to private space flight.

      [Q2]...my commitment to the free-market, limited government philosophy I espouse on the campaign trail.


      I too think we should focus on our own country and stop sticking our noses in others business when we have enough issues at home. Removing barriers to private space flight takes the pricy, occasionally controversial R&D budget off the Gov's books and instead puts that money back into the free market, as I understand it.

      So where's the conflict? Please provide proof.
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    59. Re:coflicting answers by monxrtr · · Score: 0

      And yes, there's legitimate debate to be had about what should be done at the state versus federal level. But that doesn't mean that there aren't good practical reasons for some things to be done at the federal level. Sure, but don't pretend you aren't using the threat of violence to force people to obey the majority whims. The Democratic Party can drop their pretension of being for tolerance and diversity. It's no coincidence the Federal Government has taken over the old mafia activities, from the numbers game to shake downs to confiscation to protection racket bribery. Who do people think they are to force themselves into their neighbors' wallets? Certainly not gentlemen and gentlewomen, certainly not "civilized" persons wishing to promote the existence of society, certainly not tolerant, certainly not neighborly, and certainly not promotive of general economic prosperity.

      Nah. Thanks to the "borrow and spend" philosophy followed by the GOP since Reagan, that money comes out of the pockets of future generations. It's a combination of forcing people to pay for stuff they are by definition not voluntarily willing to buy in a free market. By definition this makes society net poorer than it otherwise would be. Just like if we voted to force you to buy all of Rush Limbaugh's reading material and memorabilia even though you personally didn't want to you would by definition be immediately poorer than if you were free to spend your money the way you yourself chose. This never makes society better off. In fact, in a strict economic analysis sense, it's absolutely no different then violent liquor store thuggery robbery. Such behavior does not promote economic prosperity; in fact, it causes society to be net poorer. Why should other people tell you and force you to live your life to their standards? And then leftists hypocritically object to such things as creationism being taught in public schools without realizing it's another form of the exact same intolerant violence they wholeheartedly embrace when it suits their own proselytizing agendas.

      What we are left with is a division of artificial political interest groups seeking to rob more from others than is robbed from themselves. Resources are squandered and wasted in inefficient bureaucracies looking out for their own pension retirement benefits. And it just constantly grows, taxing more, writing ever expanding laws and regulations, stifling the very freedom which made this nation great and prosperous in the first place. It's time for the nation to heal with a live and let live philosophy of Libertarian tolerance.

      At least when such violence is restricted to the State level there are more laboratory policy vote with your feet options.
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    60. Re:coflicting answers by Woundweavr · · Score: 1

      So in what way does an answer that "appears confusing" and requires a "translation" not qualify as failing the criteria of clear concise and direct?

      Paul's appeal - which is minimal if votes are the metric - is primarily among libertarians, most of whom choose to overlook his von Mises neo-confederate militia crazy because he calls himself a "libertarian" while running as a Republican, those who are pissed at the current system of politics and see him as a de facto third party candidate and those who haven't done much research on him and like that he flat out states that Iraq was dumb and that pot should be legal.

    61. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Budgets on space research and defense are not really comparable. The U.S. spends an order of magnitude more on defense than the space program, even though the average U.S. citizen believes that about the same amount is spent on each. Chances are likely that if the U.S. stopped subsidizing foreign defense, the countries would draw the difference proportionally from the rest of the budget (or simply make do with less defense), not axe their space programs as the first step.

    62. Re:coflicting answers by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > I assume he also has a plan to stop selling our debt to the Chinese, but I have not looked it up

      He wants to go back on the gold standard. Because, yunno, we never had any economic problems in the 19th century. Anyway, this doesn't eliminate national debt, but it certainly does make its effects more immediately felt, creating a more natural ceiling.

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    63. Re:coflicting answers by bcattwoo · · Score: 1

      Strange, I can't seem to find where I stated his answer was clear and concise... You said his answer to question one was compatible with his answer to question two:

      The American people should expect clear and direct answers to their questions.

      If that doesn't mean that you think his answer was clear and concise (OK, he didn't say concise, but you did) then WTF was your point? That we should expect them, but not actually get them?
    64. Re:coflicting answers by stinerman · · Score: 1

      I'm not concerned about ripping off rich people and you shouldn't be either.

    65. Re:coflicting answers by icebrain · · Score: 1

      There is one case where I believe the government should be funding space "exploration", excluding military operations.

      I believe the prime focus of a civilian government space program should be the establishment, maintenance, and expansion of permanent space settlements. Included in this would be orbiting habitats, permanent bases on the moon and Mars, terraforming Mars, and so on... and eventually full-blown interstellar colony ships.

      My reasoning is that such a program would provide direct benefit to all of humanity. Among such benefits:

      The technology used for sustainable long-duration habitable environments (water reuse, power efficiency, etc) could carry directly over to reducing resource consumption on earth.

      Other technology (materials, sensors, other devices) could be incorporated into new products.

      Most importantly, humankind would be establishing "backups" on other planets, and hopefully (eventually) in other solar systems. That way we don't all die when some asteroid or gamma ray burst comes along. Survival of the species.

      A free market is not really interested in the above... the development costs are far too high, and the monetary return (if any) would be a very long time coming... and as long as average corporation and its shareholders are only interested in next year's or next quarter's profits, you will never see them invest in something whose break-even point might be 50 or 100 years (or more) in the future.

      I might could be convinced to fund pure science missions (lunar far-side radio telescope, Hubble, etc.) even if they don't feed into the above goal.

      Leave all the touristy stuff and commercial satellites to private industry, though. The market is at the point where it can sustain and grow, given a favorable regulatory environment.

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    66. Re:coflicting answers by Domint · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, and for the record, Ron Paul is extremely pro-life.

      I think it's important to note that he's extremely against the legality of abortions being a Federal issue, for the record.

    67. Re:coflicting answers by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      If you withdraw our troops and redefine the army's role as one of defense of our own borders, than we don't need to strike anywhere quickly because we aren't going to fight unless it's in defense of our borders. If it's strategically important to defend another country _because their opponent will be moving on to us next_, then it stands to reason that our new ally will gladly allow us to stage troops and equipment in their territory. In short, we don't need to maintain a permanent presence in any region that is not one of the 50 United States or a territory thereof.

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    68. Re:coflicting answers by nodrogluap · · Score: 1

      There is no RUTION, the (EVOL) is a regex capture group. EVOL is not an option, it is a necessity. Citizens of the world unite, and capture the EVOL!

    69. Re:coflicting answers by WATist · · Score: 1

      I think a major reason why strait answers are hard to come by is a candidate does not know(it does not go over well with the voters to say this.) They do not have the information on they would have when in office(I think some broken promises can be traced back to this.) Or, they do not know what compromises they will have to make to be effective at any thing. When in the real world dealing with what others want, and the pragmatic issues of getting things done, we can't always get what we want, or even what we need.

    70. Re:coflicting answers by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Hell, his answer to question 2 conflicts with his answer to question 2. But he is a politician, of course.

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    71. Re:coflicting answers by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Sure, but don't pretend you aren't using the threat of violence to force people to obey the majority whims.

      Well, that's government.

      I'm all for the eventual elimination of government, but I'm a Zenarchist - I know that "Universal Enlightenment a prerequisite to abolition of the State, after which the State will inevitably vanish. Or - that failing - nobody will give a damn." Or as Thoreau put it, '"That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have.'

      In the meantime, though, while we're waiting for "Universal Enlightenment", while we're waiting for the the time "when men are prepared for it", government is something that's going to exist where ever humans are; at best some form of constitutional democracy that acts as an expedient, at worst brutal rule by mobs and strong-men.

      It's a combination of forcing people to pay for stuff they are by definition not voluntarily willing to buy in a free market.

      We can talk about ending this "forcing people to pay for stuff" as soon as we actually have a "free market" - that means no government-charted corporations, no government-transfered inherited wealth, no reserve banking system, no government issued land or resource deeds or copyrights or patents, no government-issued currency. These instances of government force are so ubiquitous that libertarian capitalists take them for granted; but trace any claim of property back and you'll find government force at the root, trace any concentration of wealth and you'll find government force enabling it. To then complain of taxes as government coercion is rather hypocritical.

      And so long as we have this government engine that drives the concentration of economic power that we know as "capitalism", we'll need a few safety governors on that engine. Money is a government creation: render onto Caesar what is Caesar's.

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    72. Re:coflicting answers by notthe9 · · Score: 3, Informative

      And only 5 answered questions, if you can call them answered. This "interview" is thoroughly disappointing. Those were all five questions we (Slashdot) sent.
    73. Re:coflicting answers by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

      The problem with the 'let the states do it' concept is that the states end up in a 'race to the bottom'. Politicians go grubbing for tax revenue and what happens? Corporation X, Y, and Z come along and say 'well, if you just gut your environmental laws, and forgive 90% of our taxes, and gift us with 40 million bucks to boot, maybe we'll build a factory in your state.' The politicians in most states simply cannot go up against that. The big corps are NOT OUR FRIENDS, we are just 2-legged sacks of money to them. They don't give a rat's ass about anything but short-term profits. That is how they are SUPPOSED to be, we set it up that way. They WILL rape the environment and screw the common man. Uncle SAM is big enough and the US (even now) is too big a market collectively to be entirely powerless against that. Even so you see what kind of govt we have now? Put it all on the states, it will be 10x worse. While we ALL like the theory of 'small government', the reality is we live in the 21st century, not the 18th century, and pretending we can go back to an 18th century model of government is just that, pretending. It won't work, it would be a giant disaster if we were stupid enough to try it, and it just isn't going to happen. Which is why Ron Paul and snowballs in hell are good companions in the same sentence. I would like to say I admire the guy for his stand, but A) the Republican Party is a bunch of filthy criminals, so standing with them is unconscionable. B) Paul likes to say his voting record is consistent with his beliefs, but it isn't entirely so. If you look close you can see the spin. Maybe it is a good bit less ridiculous than most politicians but ALL politicians do it.

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    74. Re:coflicting answers by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Libertarians (whether running as Republican or not) think.

      You just made my head explode. How can someone running for the Republican party possibly be a Libertarian?

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    75. Re:coflicting answers by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Where do you get the idea from that he doesn't want to reduce NASA's budget? It's right there in the reply - he only sees NASA as useful as far as it relates to national security. Since 90% of what NASA does is not related to national security in any way, then there is obviously a lot of room to reduce the size of NASA drastically.

      But you think he might want to double NASA's budget? Wow, that's a very odd interpretation, and goes against everything he claims to stand for.

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    76. Re:coflicting answers by darthflo · · Score: 0

      What's up with Dr. Paul wanting to abolish all federal laws anyways? Am I the only one who finds diversity (i.e. confusion) among the laws of a single country a bad idea? What'd be so bad about federal gov't universally (well countrywide, but the US of A tend to be somewhat universal for most citizens of 'em ;)) regulating matters that affect more than, say, 3 states and the states sticking to their local business?

      Before anybody brings forth the "small government" argument, consider this: (Assume x person-hours are spent dealing with a matter of state legislation) Even if thoroughly checking and validating a law going in effect nationwide would take the tenfold amount of time a state spends working, 10x is quite a bit less than 50x (50 states time x).

    77. Re:coflicting answers by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      To me the answer to question 2 very much conflicts with the answer to question 1. How?

      1) Ron Paul campaign:
      America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world and worry more about its own national security interests, including its interests in a viable space program. As president, I will also work to remove barriers to private space flight.

      2) Ron Paul campaign:
      The American people should expect clear and direct answers to their questions. Not only have I always strived to clearly state my position on issues, but my voting record backs up my commitment to the free-market, limited government philosophy I espouse on the campaign trail.
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    78. Re:coflicting answers by dangitman · · Score: 1

      he flat out states that Iraq was dumb and that pot should be legal.

      No, he doesn't say "pot should be legal". He says there should be no federal laws against it. While at the same time, he supports the right for states to make it criminal. It's exactly the same with abortion. He opposes federal legislation - but that doesn't mean he's pro-choice.

      It's a weasely way of goling about things. You claim to be all about freedom, while leaving a nice little escape clause. All it does is change who the oppressors are. "Hooray! We are free from the evile Federal Government!" Now, meet your friendly State government. Given the history of the USA, does anybody believe that the states aren't even more likely to violate freedoms than the federal government? Most of the really nasty stuff (lynching, witch burning, religious slaughter) was perpetrated on a state level, not federally.

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    79. Re:coflicting answers by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Uhhh, question 2 is "Why can't I get a straight answer?" - the part of Q2 that you quoted is irrelevant fluff. The contradiction is that he claimed to be all about giving straightforward answers in Q2 - but then gave misleading non-answers for pretty much every other question.

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    80. Re:coflicting answers by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      This is what enrages me about the Bush tax cut proposal. It is much the same as if your boss told you he was giving you a raise by letting you charge $1000 more on your own credit card. Are people really that stupid? Um... Before I answer that question, I should point out that this has been bog standard practice for hundreds of years.

      This is how money works, so basically, yes, people are exactly that stupid. Look around you man.

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    81. Re:coflicting answers by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      I don't see how. He says, basically, we should stop worrying about the defense industries of other countries and put some of that money towards the space program (among other things). That's pretty clear to me.

    82. Re:coflicting answers by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Read up on Libertarian philosophy.

      He's not as extreme as greenspan or ayn rand but he is consistently Libertarian.

      The smarter libertarians are not for some kind of pie in the sky fantasy but are for a genuinely limited government.

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    83. Re:coflicting answers by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      I assumed differently, namely that he meant that if Paul is for strong national security (answer #1), he would likely, if President, find that he would have to avoid answering, or give misleading answers, to some questions (contradicting answer #2). He could be frank: "I'm sorry, I can't answer that question for reasons of national security."
      You are too used to the classical evasive political ethos. Have some faith that someone, someday, will be both honest AND elected. Just because we've never seen it happen doesn't make it impossible, in the absolute.
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    84. Re:coflicting answers by TinyManCan · · Score: 1
      Actually the Defense expenditures for 2008 amount to 19% of the federal budget. But facts probably don't matter to you.

      2007 Federal Budget

      If you'd look you would see that health and human services eat up over 50% of the entire budget. We spend nearly half the defense budget on servicing our national debt.

      To think that 30% couldn't be cut from that budget is insane.

    85. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    86. Re:coflicting answers by Macgruder · · Score: 1

      What you're missing is that Paul is a Strict Constitultionalist. And one of the key points of the US Constitution is that any and all powers not explicitly granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution are reserved for the States or People. So having the Federal branches take a hands-off attitude towards issues that really aren't in their purview (drug usage, abortion, etc) each state is free to craft it's own rules in accodance to the desires and needs of their citizens. Which is a good thing, because the needs and desires of citizens of Montana are quite different from the needs and desires of the citizens of New York.

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    87. Re:coflicting answers by nevurthls · · Score: 1
      I did not try to start a flamewar with my post. The point I was trying to make was indeed that in answer two, when Ron (or those representing him) stated

      The American people should expect clear and direct answers to their questions. Not only have I always strived to clearly state my position on issues, but my voting record backs up my commitment to the free-market, limited government philosophy I espouse on the campaign trail.
      it is explicitly said that he says he strives to clearly state his position. The answer to question one is hardly a direct or clear response. Question one actually consisted of 2 questions:
      • First part: how should America respond to growing technological boldness?
        The answer given was "America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world" this answer used here is not a direct answer to the question at all!
        It is an answer that could be used for any question relating the rest of the world.
        If I were to ask what should America do about the Civil wars in Africa, child labor in India, drug policy in Holland, an alien invasion; same answer would work and it would hardly be less or more relevant to the question!
        To be a clear answer, the answer has to entail explaining why stopping subsidizing the defense of the rest of the world has anything to do with the growth of technological boldness in countries like China!
        Does it mean the U.S. stops defending of countries like china in particular? Are we actually defending China, and countries like it at this time that we should stop?
        What does it mean, really? It's not clear!
      • Second part: Is it a threat or an opportunity?
        As someone else mentioned, this question can have either of for answers:
        • threat, here's why
        • opportunity, here's why
        • neither, here's why
        • both, here's why
        None of these 4 possible answers was given there, so that's not clear either.
      Honestly, I don't know much about any of the U.S. candidates, I'm not from here. And asking a political candidate to be clear is by definition a trick question. Any one of them would have fallen for this, republican or democrat, U.S. politician or not.
      Of course this counts for questions 3,4 and 5 as well but I mainly got requests to clarify my first statement.
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    88. Re:coflicting answers by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "What's up with Dr. Paul wanting to abolish all federal laws anyways?"

      It was always the idea of the founders for federal government to have as little an influence as possible over state matters, i would rather be able to make a law in my state that fits what my state requires than be under the thumb of a federal system that does not truly represent me. Wouldn't you?

      That way the power would be (more so) in the hands of the people.

    89. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You said:

      Why put 35,000 troops and a hundred million dollars a year into other countries we have been at peace with since 1960 or earlier? We could have those troops ready to move fast to real problem areas and use the money to buy new planes and tanks instead of funding discos in germany, japan, and south korea where our young troops go to party on leave. There is a lot about this that I agree with; but OTOH, the situation is probably more complicated than you imply.

      South Korea, for instance, I don't think we can reasonably abandon militarily anytime soon.

      Having U.S. military in Japan may very well be preventing Japan from becoming more militarist itself (which may be a good thing because other S.E. Asian nations may view an increasingly militarist Japan as a threat).

      Germany, I may agree with you.

      But then again, there no doubt are geopolitical advantages to having such relationships. We keep troops in Japan, they tend to vote with us in international forums.

      And as far as U.S. money to fund overseas discos, I mostly agree with your point; but don't forget the potential advantage of keeping the U.S. dollar the preferred international currency. Not that an otherwise unnecessary military base is the best way to accomplish this, I'm just pointing out that the question is not unidimensional.
    90. Re:coflicting answers by josh_db · · Score: 1

      Could you explain this to me, please? I'm 16 and I live in a house where Bush is vehemently attacked at every turn, yet praised for his tax cuts. So now I have two conflicting views - One says that the Bush tax cuts are good, and the other (SlashDot user modded +5 who MUST have a point) says that they are bad and we have been hoodwinked.

      So... Enlighten a future voter perhaps?

    91. Re:coflicting answers by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Sounds good to me. The doctor should be charged with premeditated murder for profit and executed by firing squad too.

      So with respect to firing squads you're pro choice rather than pro life?

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    92. Re:coflicting answers by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      You are too used to the classical evasive political ethos. Have some faith that someone, someday, will be both honest AND elected. Just because we've never seen it happen doesn't make it impossible, in the absolute.

      I was only trying to suggest a feasible interpretation of the OP. You should direct this at him/her, not me (assuming I interpreted the post correctly).

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    93. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So can I become a Libertarian too? Or would that require the same chemical inbalance in my head as you have?

    94. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try freezing in marinade. The freezing ruptures the cells so the marinade can get inside.

    95. Re:coflicting answers by darthflo · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't you?
      Nah. I'd prefer to live in a country with one set of rules. One government telling me wheter or not I may smoke cannabis, one government telling me the speed limits and one set of laws to memorize. Also, one educational standard to simplify portability of qualifications to whatever extent possible. In my (limited) experience, chances of a state of 20 million representing your opinions and desires are roughly similar to chances of a federation of 250 million. To me, the latter appears as a logical way to simplify legislation while cherry-picking a pool of the greatest authorities on whatever field's being discussed out of a pool of 250 instead of (on average) 5 million.
      Thanks to some experience with local and a few years of working for a federal government, I fully concur with the libertarian ideal of a minimal government, but replacing a minimal federal government with lots of local govt's seems about as good an idea as breaking up the U.S. into fifty countries with border passport checks and different currencies.
    96. Re:coflicting answers by meregistered · · Score: 1

      Wow the statements about a temporary tax cut impress me.

      Unless there is some aspect regarding the tax cut with which I am unaware (such as we will have to pay it back next year) it is so much unlike using a credit card that I suspect your consideration of the topic has been limited to quick impressions.

      While I understand that you are making a reference to the fact that the government of our country is in debt and borrows constantly, to the best of my understanding there it is a stretch to say that there is a direct correlation between paying less taxes and creating more national debt.
      The alternative in this case is paying the same amount of taxes which will be likely to produce the following train of events:
      -the government will squander the taxes and therefore contribute minimally to economic growth (government consumes and does not produce)
      -as the economy stagnates there will be a decrease in tax revenue
      -a decrease in tax revenue will lead to greater debt ("Slow spending when there's less money, never!!" yell the politicians and special interest groups)

      When the economy is healthier there are more funds available for paying off debt, we just choose to spend the excess instead eliminate debt.
      Paying more taxes does not make the economy healthier.

    97. Re:coflicting answers by MacDork · · Score: 3, Informative

      When the Fed decided to stop printing the M3 report, Ron Paul was the only person who attempted to stop them two years ago. Anyone who cared could see the Fed was going to fuck every single American via inflation, and Ron Paul was the only one on the hill who gave a shit. Inflation is now at the highest it has been in more than three decades. Ron Paul tried to prevent it.

      This "interview" is thoroughly disappointing.

      To me, if you're picking a candidate based on their words rather than looking at their actions in the legislature, then your vote will be an uninformed one.

    98. Re:coflicting answers by dangitman · · Score: 1

      No, I'm not missing that at all. I know that. How does his being a strict Constitutionalist mean that he is advocating marijuana legalization? It doesn't. That's the misconception I was trying to clear up.

      Which is a good thing, because the needs and desires of citizens of Montana are quite different from the needs and desires of the citizens of New York.

      In your opinion, it's a good thing. It's not objectively so. Personally, I think it would likely end up in disaster. I also don't agree that people have vastly different needs - we have the same basic needs, food, shelter, companionship, human rights. The state-based solution only works if the Constitution aggressively protects people and rights. But as we've seen of late, it hasn't been so good at doing so. What happens if Montana starts abusing human rights? How quickly will the Feds roll out the troops to stop them? Especially if "Libertarians" essentially dismantle the federal government.

      It's a rather chicken-and-egg problem. If Libertarians are all about rights and the Constitution, but also feel it should be downsized and the power placed in the hands of states, then who will be left to stop the states from their excesses?

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    99. Re:coflicting answers by mark3748 · · Score: 1

      the term libertarian isn't exclusive to the Libertarian Party. RP is a "little L" libertarian. The term libertarianism usually refers to a political philosophy maintaining that all persons are the absolute owners of their own lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their persons or property, as long as they allow others the same liberty.

    100. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      To me the answer to question 2 very much conflicts with the answer to question 1.

      How so? In both cases he talks about free markets and limited government.

      Falcon
    101. Re:coflicting answers by wellingj · · Score: 1

      Even if it might take more time, the states can get what they want instead of being told what they get. I'd rather have the power closer to home. And besides that local legislature is still around to make local laws regardless of national legislature, so why not do it?
      I grew up in Montana, we despised the amount of things states like New York and California got to push though congress. If you want to make a state law, fine go ahead. But there are just too many federal mandates telling the states what to do.

    102. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who finds diversity (i.e. confusion) among the laws of a single country a bad idea?

      How about 50 different laboratories? Would you rather have one national laboratory or a bunch of them? Isn't there more progress with more research?

      Even if thoroughly checking and validating a law going in effect nationwide would take the tenfold amount of time a state spends working, 10x is quite a bit less than 50x

      Where's your scientific data to support this?

      Falcon
    103. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Funny

      replacing a minimal federal government with lots of local govt's seems about as good an idea as breaking up the U.S. into fifty countries with border passport checks and different currencies.

      There's a place like that you can move to, it's called Russia.

      Falcon
    104. Re:coflicting answers by www.tech4um.com · · Score: 0

      They conflict, but then again I can't remember any politician whose never given conflicting answers. I'm just glad he answered our questions.

    105. Re:coflicting answers by Macgruder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since the Constitution is mute on the point of marijuana, the Right to legislate and control its usage is left to the States. Each state can choose its own rules, based on what its citizens own votes.

      Speaking on Objectivity, let me alter the question slightly. I picked those two states somewhat at random, a state with a small population and a state with a huge population. Instead, let me mention two states of which I have personal experience.. South Dakota and California. I've lived well over a dozen years in each one, and to this day travel between the two fairly often.

      The needs and desires of the citizens of South Dakota are worlds different than the needs and desires of the citizens of California. This is not conjecture, this is not personal opinion, this is a direct observation.

      Not protecting Human Rights? Now you're just being silly. Our Constitution has been the beacon of Human Rights and dignities for over two centuries. The document was crafted far in ahead of the attitudes for the day and took society a while to catch up (Slavery, Women's Rights, etc...) but in the end they came around. The questions in front of today's administration are serious ones, but they are not problems with the Constitution itself, but of rather definining any exceptions and the implementaion thereof. At this time there are no stories of States trampling on the Constitution, so any what-if conjectures that you raise are merely that, conjectures.

      The only parts of the Federal Government that the Libertarians want to dismantle are those portions that grew outside of the Constitution's Mandate.

      If you want the Libertarians to be serious about enforcing Civil Rights, add that power specifically to the Constitution. That's all.

      It's not about economics, civil rights, or any fancy ideals... All it's about is what's written in the Constitution. None of this nonsense about a 'Living Constitution'. It means what it says. And if you don't like what it says, the Constitution has a built-in mechanism for being altered. Simply follow the procedure that's already been established.

      That is the core of their stance. The Federal Government can ONLY do what the Constitution ALLOWS it to do. No more, no less.

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    106. Re:coflicting answers by JesterXXV · · Score: 1
      Sure, but he's still extremely pro-life. From your link:

      As a pro-life obstetrician-gynecologist, I am steadfastly opposed to abortion.
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    107. Re:coflicting answers by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      he is consistently Libertarian. As far as I can tell, he's an honest-to-god anarcho-capitalist.
      That, of course, overlaps "libertarianism" quite a bit.
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    108. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Now I interpreted his statement as meaning once we waste less money on defending other nations we will have more money to waste on our space programs. I don't know to what extent India relies on us militarily, but China sure as heck doesn't, so his answer as you interpret it doesn't make a lick of sense.

      Ah but if the US didn't spend so much to supposedly defend other countries the US could use the money for US space exploration.

      Falcon
    109. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      he meant that if Paul is for strong national security (answer #1), he would likely, if President, find that he would have to avoid answering, or give misleading answers, to some questions (contradicting answer #2).

      How so? What is not clear or is contradictory about "America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world and worry more about its own national security interests, including its interests in a viable space program. As president, I will also work to remove barriers to private space flight"?

      Falcon
    110. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      in question number 1. "is it a threat or an opportunity?"

      in the answer for number 1 this isn't answered.

      If it's not answered then if can't conflicting then can it? But you're right, he doesn't answer whether there's an opportunity or a threat. For a good answer though it should be answered as if it's both, an opportunity and a threat. The glass is both half full and half empty.

      Falcon
    111. Re:coflicting answers by teadrop · · Score: 1

      Yes people are that stupid. And they have been that stupid twice in 2000 and 2004.

    112. Re:coflicting answers by mikesd81 · · Score: 1

      Can you not still reduce the budget by eliminating waste and still add some currency to worthwhile services? Much like a company eliminating a department, but shift some more into the budget for another department, but not all the money. You have still reduced the budget.

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    113. Re:coflicting answers by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      OK, so you didn't read my post before answering (my post had nothing to do with the clarity or consistency of the first answer). But elsewhere in this thread, the OP has already given his explanation of what he meant, making my comment moot. If you find his post you can argue your point with him.

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    114. Re:coflicting answers by Domint · · Score: 1

      I'm not denying that, I was merely pointing out that the absolute worst that a pro-choicer can expect from President Paul would be him saying "Hey you States sort it out", then having the issue never cross his desk again. Which I think would be a good thing, it would free up time and resources for him to focus on things more deserving of the President's attention.

      And for those that might want to know my personal opinions on the subject, I think Bill Clinton said it best. Abortions should be legal, safe, and above all else rare.

    115. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      His answer to whether we should consider the Chinese and Indian space programs threats or opportunities is that we shouldn't be subsidizing their defense. The only way that answer makes sense is if it means "Americans shouldn't be giving money to Chinese and Indian businesses" because that's how we're subsidizing their defense.

      That's exactly what he says, "America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world and worry more about its own national security interests".

      The question then becomes, by what means does he propose to prevent this?

      Though it's not in the Q&A he has answered it. The USA has the military stationed in 130 countries and he wants to bring them home.

      Falcon
    116. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently I am that stupid, as I don't follow. Could you elaborate a little more on what enrages you?

      Not one to depend on someone else to enlighten me, I did a quick search and came up with this page: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg2001.cfm.

      Can't say that I am conservative (heritage is a conservative "think tank"), but I'm not liberal either. Their myth list sounded reasonable. I'll assume that it is the cutting taxes + increasing spending that is enraging.... Though I can't see how your metaphor illustrates that clearly. If there is an objective liberal take, I am happy to read that too.

    117. Re:coflicting answers by shlashdot · · Score: 1

      Bush is obviously a moron, with no concept of fiscal restraint. Yet he has done something about the double and triple taxation that is killing our economy. As a young person, it is hard to understand how the accumulation of taxes harms business in this country. The problem is, I pay tax on stuff I buy for my business. I pay tax on it again just for having the stuff (eg computers, furniture. The county calls it personal property tax, even though it is specifically on stuff a business owns. Every year). Then I pay tax on any income I might happen to make. And again on any interest if I save some. Then I charge tax to you when you buy something. With your already taxed income. And of course I pay tax on payroll, as do the employees. It is impossible to add it all up.

      You may want to read this
      http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/BearsLairHome

      "Bush came to office promising a reduction in the size of government and in particular a tax cut, both traditional Republican policies strengthened by Reagan's success in the 1980s. Instead Bush, recently described by his former chief speechwriter Michael Gerson as a "large-hearted man" -- at least with other people's money - indulged in an orgy of feel-good social policy. Notably there was the "No Child Left Behind Act" of 2001, which vastly increased the federal government's intrusion into education without noticeable positive results and the Medicare Part D of 2003, which was also hugely expensive since it lacked effective cost controls. The largeness of Bush's heart even extended to his Congressional colleagues, whom he allowed to carry on veto-free in an orgy of pork-barrel spending and outright corruption without precedent in the history of the Republic.

      Even Bush's tax changes had little or no supply side effect. His 2001 bill lowered top rates of tax only modestly, while including so many sops to populism that its effect was at best that of an equivalent sized Keynesian stimulus. In 2003 he passed a genuinely supply side measure, reducing the top rate of personal tax on dividends to 15% and thus their total taxation to around 50% from the exorbitant corporate plus personal rate of 61% they had previously borne. Even then, he did it wrong; he should have made dividends fully tax deductible at the corporate level, which would have leveled the playing field between different types of investors and removed almost all the incentives to business tax evasion. If he had done that, paying for it by capping the deductibility of home mortgage interest at around $10,000 per annum, and perhaps closing a few other corporate tax loopholes, he would have truly have increased the value and productivity of US business, while quelling the speculative boom in housing that is proving so unbearable to unwind."

      People who say his tax cuts are bad are simply normal people who won't be happy until the government takes all of your money.

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    118. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      OK, so you didn't read my post before answering

      I read it, here it is: " contradicting answer #2".

      If you find his post you can argue your point with him.

      Unless you didn't properly attribute what he said, then you said the above.

      Falcon
    119. Re:coflicting answers by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Oh, and for the record, Ron Paul is extremely pro-life.

      Define extremely. Is he against death penalty? Does he even oppose death penalty for teenagers tried as adults? Does he support universal health coverage for pregnant women and small children to bring down preventable infant mortality? How about using embryos that would be destroyed anyway due to being extras artificial insemination to save lives? What is his stance on casualties of war and economic sanctions? Is he going to come through for halting AIDS epidemic in Africa?

      I don't know how you can call Ron Paul pro-life unless you assume that life stops at birth.

    120. Re:coflicting answers by dangitman · · Score: 1

      The term libertarianism usually refers to a political philosophy maintaining that all persons are the absolute owners of their own lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their persons or property, as long as they allow others the same liberty.

      Right.... so how do you reconcile that with being a member of, and supporter of, the Republican party? The Republicans generally believe exactly the opposite of that philosophy.

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    121. Re:coflicting answers by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Since the Constitution is mute on the point of marijuana, the Right to legislate and control its usage is left to the States.

      Well, it could be argued that it falls under "the pursuit of happiness," but that is neither here nor there. How does this make Ron Paul in favor of legalizing marijuana? The answer is that it doesn't. He's being deliberately vague on what he actually believes about marijuana usage. Thus, people mistakenly believe he supports marijuana use, just because he doesn't support federal laws against its use

      The needs and desires of the citizens of South Dakota are worlds different than the needs and desires of the citizens of California. This is not conjecture, this is not personal opinion, this is a direct observation.

      But why do those needs have to be legislated differently? They can live their own lives in different ways, without the state having to legislate a particular lifestyle. And what of change? What if the residents decide they want to live in a different way than their parents did?

      Not protecting Human Rights? Now you're just being silly. Our Constitution has been the beacon of Human Rights and dignities for over two centuries.

      Excuse me? Torture? Wiretapping? Detention without charges? The Constitution has been positively stomped on, and I don't see the perpetrators being punished at all for it, nor any redress being made.

      At this time there are no stories of States trampling on the Constitution, so any what-if conjectures that you raise are merely that, conjectures.

      There have been numerous reports of states violating the separation of church and state, and making moves to ban gay marriage. Denying people abortions. Plenty of reports of state/private employees abusing human rights with the use of tasers and batons, etc.

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    122. Re:coflicting answers by mark3748 · · Score: 1
      He has been a republican for a long time, and the republican party has historically been very pro-liberty, pro-limited government, but that has all changed in the mainstream of the party. There is still a large contingent of libertarian republicans, they just aren't currently the mainstream. See http://www.rlc.org/

      Now, I'm not a republican and never have been, I've always been a Libertarian.

    123. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Paul's appeal - which is minimal if votes are the metric

      While Ron Paul does't get as many votes as others, I wonder what effect the media has on it, I bet those who get more media coverage also get more votes, even before the first vote was cast in a primary.

      primarily among libertarians, most of whom choose to overlook his von Mises

      Perhaps you didn't know it but some Libertarians love Von Mises' economics while others don't. Some like Murray N. Rothbard and others Milton Friedman.

      Falcon
    124. Re:coflicting answers by Macgruder · · Score: 1

      A) Agreed. Being opposed to federal legislation regulating marijuana is not the same as being in favor of it. All he's saying is that any question of legality of the use of marijauna should be left to the individual states. And that's a stance I agree with. Now, when SD goes to vote on legalizing marijauna, I'll vote to support it.

      B) We'ew not talking about legislating a different lifestyle. We're talking about specific solutions to specific issues that the citizens in different states address and solve differently. And if someone can come up with a better way to do something, and there's a need to legislate something in the future, they are more than welcome to call a vote of their fellow citizens to implement it.

      C) Torture? What, this water-boarding stuff? Duress, I agree. But torture? Show me the wounds and the scars left by water-boarding, and I might grant you torture. Until then, it's not even worth the breath to discuss. Detention and wiretapping, I'll give you. But again, those are not the faliures of the Constitution, that's the failure of the current administration and how it interprets the Constitution. In other words, it's a software problem.

      D) Seperation of Church and State? Hmmm.. That's a grey area. First of all, the Freedom of Religion clause in the Constitution refers to Congress (i.e. the Federal Government), so the States are free to legislate their own rules. Second, Freedom of Religion does not explicitly mean separation of Church and State. Yes, quite a few interpret it that way, but like I said, it's a grey area. Gay Marriage Ban -- Same thing. The Constitution is mute on that point, so the States are free to set up any rules they like. Abortion is the same way. And you are really stretching the concept to claim that police / guard brutality is a state-sanctioned process, rather than individual or departmental excesses / abuses.

      Do you get the trend here? States are not some nameless, faceless organizations that are mysterious and all-powerfull. They are made up of people, directly representing their communities and constituients. They do not operate in a vacumn. Case in point... South Dakota's legislature attempted to pass a ban on abortion. People cried foul, circulated a petition to put the issue on the the ballot, and the whole issue was put to a vote. It was close, but the law was repealed. See? That's how it's supposed to work. Even when state legislatures try to sneak something by, there are ways to keep them in check. Checks and balances?

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    125. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely agree. Pissed off all of those people and how we're scared $hitless to the point of marshal law (without actually declaring it). Loss of freedom, illegal search and seizure, Dept. of homeland security- so much money, time, effort wasted to supposedly protect us from the people we've pissed off. How about not pissing people off as a novel concept.

      And all that time, money, human effort (and huge waste and loss) to protect a dying and increasingly expensive resource (oil, of course).

      Taking it further- can you imagine what we could do with $1 trillion 100,000 people working on alternate energy sources, more efficient transportation, insulation, etc.? Imagine where society could be.

    126. Re:coflicting answers by unitron · · Score: 1

      Are people really that stupid?

      Bush got two terms, didn't he?

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    127. Re:coflicting answers by Curtman · · Score: 1

      Anyone who cared could see the Fed was going to fuck every single American via inflation, and Ron Paul was the only one on the hill who gave a shit. Inflation is now at the highest it has been in more than three decades. Ron Paul tried to prevent it.

      The Fed? Inflation is high because your dollar went to shit because of your deficit. If Ron Paul could have stopped the Iraq war he damn well should have.

      Your national visa card is approaching 5 trillion dollars. That's the problem.
    128. Re:coflicting answers by aevans · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? Ron Paul doesn't have that kind of an organization, and it seems to me that he's the type of guy who relishes giving his "own" answers. Besides, he doesn't get much email. I'm sure he's glad to have an audience this big. Especially with so many stoner atheist libertarian losers.

    129. Re:coflicting answers by JesterXXV · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's true - he wants Roe vs. Wade overturned. I don't see him letting the issue slide like you're suggesting.

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    130. Re:coflicting answers by aevans · · Score: 1

      But with your plan, our "true national interests" will be learning German and supporting the Volkliebensraum.

    131. Re:coflicting answers by aevans · · Score: 1

      Maybe out of your pockets, but not mine or Bill Gates'. I'm too poor and he's too rich to have to pay taxes.

    132. Re:coflicting answers by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Is the space program in the constitution? I get so confused. I thought this guy was a constitutionalist or something.

    133. Re:coflicting answers by aevans · · Score: 1

      You must live in an extremely small state. I'm from North Dakota/Rhode Island, and while the costs of bureaucracy are way down, both states (admitted large) seem to have the critical mass to reap any practical economy of scale benefits.

    134. Re:coflicting answers by aevans · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the additional amount we'd need for the department of education for the USL (Urdu as Second Language) program without any defense spending.

    135. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      But they can!

      No, they can't. No matter how much you may hate the government for regulating drugs, and no matter how much controversy there may be over "no-knock" warrants, the fact of the matter is that the cops can come into your house in only one of 3 ways:

      1. your permission
      2. a warrant (which must be based on some reasonable belief they will find evidence and not just a fishing trip)
      3. reasonable evidence of imminent danger/crime in progress

      People who go into hysterics about how our nation is a police state already only harm the cause of liberty by sensationalizing a serious issue.

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    136. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1
      Oh, and for the record, Ron Paul is extremely pro-life.

      I think it's important to note that he's extremely against the legality of abortions being a Federal issue, for the record.

      You seem to be saying he's against it being a Federal issue as opposed to being pro-life. You can be both. Ron Paul is. His own words:

      As an obstetrician who has delivered over 4000 children, I have long been concerned with the rights of unborn people. I believe this is the greatest moral issue of our time. The very best of the western intellectual tradition has understood the critical link between moral and political action. Each of these disciplines should strongly inform and support the other. Ron Paul is indeed concerned that the issue be handled within the bounds of limits on Constitutional powers, but this does not mean his pro-life stance comes only from wishing to turn the issue over to the states. He is committed to the principles of the pro-life cause (equal human rights for all human beings).

      There are two approaches he favors to Constitutionally ending elective abortion in the US. One is the kind of federalism you assert is his only motivation (it is not). The other is a Constitutional amendment to prohibit elective abortions. You can't tell me that someone who considers a Constitutional amendment to ban an issue is arguing from a solely "let the states decide" Libertarian philosophy. Ron Paul is a federalist *and* he is pro-life:

      We must take a principled approach that recognizes both moral and political principles, and accepts the close relationship between them. Legislatively, we should focus our efforts on building support to overturn Roe v. Wade. Ideally this would be done in a fashion that allows states to again ban or regulate abortion. State legislatures have always had proper jurisdiction over issues like abortion and cloning; the pro-life movement should recognize that jurisdiction and not encroach upon it. The alternative is an outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment that does no violence to our way of government. http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul100.html

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    137. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      Define extremely. Is he against death penalty?

      The idea that a pro-life stance necessitates being opposed to the death penalty is silly. Everyone knows "pro-life" is a stance about abortion and maybe euthanasia. There's no rational way to get "anti-death penalty" out of "pro-life". If you're going to start saying that "pro-life" means just literally "for life, in all cases", why restrict it to human life? Why woudln't pro-life be against anti-biotics? Why wouldn't pro-life be vegan? Why not pacifist?

      It's pure sophistry when someone takes the phrase "pro-life" and decides to interpret some of it literally and some of it non-literally.

      I don't know how you can call Ron Paul pro-life unless you assume that life stops at birth.

      Because the definition of "pro-life" can easily be summed up as saying: All human beings have an equal right to life. This right to life is a negative right ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights ) and not a positive one. Simply put: all human beings have the right not to be electively killed. That is the pro-life position. It does not say "you can't kill anything, ever" it says "you can't electively kill human beings without due process". Things like: death penalty, just war, and self-defense (not to mention eating meat) are not required (for or against) in the pro-life position.

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    138. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      I was merely pointing out that the absolute worst that a pro-choicer can expect from President Paul would be him saying "Hey you States sort it out", then having the issue never cross his desk again.

      That requires overturning Roe v Wade. Not so many pro-choicers will be thrilled with that.

      He also supports, or at least entertains as a real possibility, the idea of a constitutional amendment to ban abortion. Now realistically that's not going to fly any time soon. But ideologically you can't get more pro-life than that.

      And for those that might want to know my personal opinions on the subject, I think Bill Clinton said it best. Abortions should be legal, safe, and above all else rare.

      That's cheap rhetoric, nothing more. In the US you can get an abortion at any time for any reason. That is the de facto rule. Yes, yes: I know very well that Roe sets up a system of trimesters and talks the talk about "health". But then Doe v. Bolton, handed down the same day, defined "health" so broadly that a health exception is essentially a blanket exception. So, in practice, the US Constitution has been interpreted to say that a woman has a right to an abortion at any time for any reason. That doesn't scream "rare" to me. Add to that the vitriolic opposition form pro-choice groups (PP, NOW, NARAL, etc.) for any law that would (for example): require surgical abortion facilities to adhere to general outpatient surgical standards, require parents to consent or even be informed of a minors abortion*, prevent a non-custodian from taking a minor across state lines to get an abortion, require doctors give basic facts about pre-natal development to women seeking abortions, impose 24-hour waiting periods, etc. and I think that the whole "rare" aspect of that equation is a bit of a joke.

      Keep in mind that PP gets at least 1/3rd their operating revenue from abortions. How rare do you really think they want them to be? And what PP, NARAL, and NOW want from abortion they get from the Clintons.

      The fact is that Americans are *far* more conservative on abortion than the Constitution allows (2/3rds want stricter laws on abortion than Roe v Wade/Doe v Bolton allow) and that the pro-choice side succeeds largely by obfuscating with rhetoric the extent to which their own agenda is far more radical than most people would suspect.

      * all such laws include exceptions where abuse is an issue

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    139. Re:coflicting answers by rifter · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Fed? Inflation is high because your dollar went to shit because of your deficit. If Ron Paul could have stopped the Iraq war he damn well should have.

      He tried that, too. IIRC he also voted against the PATRIOT act. The only problem with Ron Paul in these areas is that for whatever reason not enough of his fellow congress critters listened to him to stop some of these more insane measures.

    140. Re:coflicting answers by monxrtr · · Score: 0

      Paying more taxes does not make the economy healthier. Absolutely correct. In fact, paying more taxes by definition makes the economy sicker. Trade occurs because that which is received is valued more than that which is given away in exchange. Thus, both parties to every voluntary trade transaction profit at the moment of exchange. If that wasn't true, people wouldn't trade in the first place, as by definition they would be better off not doing any particular trades. If something is not voluntarily forthcoming, forcing the transfer only causes the creation of poverty. If you went to the store to buy the movie 300, but instead the government taxed the money you were going to trade for the movie 300 away, and instead offered you the Spice Girls movie as a government entertainment social service (and you didn't like that movie), you would by definition be immediately poorer, precisely because the government has taken away your money from which you could choose how to best benefit yourself.

      Eliminating taxes benefits absolutely everybody, no matter who the particular arbitrary individuals are who have marginal pieces of their taxes subsequently untaxed.
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    141. Re:coflicting answers by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      both states (admitted large) seem to have the critical mass to reap any practical economy of scale benefits.

      Economies of scale aren't something that just switch on at a critical mass. Even very large corporations realize savings in a merger.

      If Maryland (my state) and Virginia both have programs to, say, make disability payments, there's duplication of effort, two bureaucracies with people doing the same jobs.

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    142. Re:coflicting answers by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      You are correct. It is very complicated and to give a fully nuanced answer would not only take a lot more time and space but would also probably never be fully correct without a lot of verification and input from other people.

      My feeling is this... I think we give aid to prevent other countries from becoming threats. This worked when countries were threats. For example- perhaps all of our african aid prevented the formation of a strong african nation for the last 85 years. However, increasing technology means that even small groups of people can do major damage. So now the aid and interference is creating a lot of enemies.

      It may be better now to let the opposing nation form and get into a legitimate war and have one side gain total victory. Partial victories are going to be very dangerous to the world going forward. The IRA/British, the Palestine/Isreal, and other interminable conflicts are reaching a point where they pose a risk to the entire world. At some point, if the differences cannot be resolved peacefully, you are going to see one side or the other engage in a genocidal rooting out of every last person on the other side of the conflict. There is just too much danger that a quasi nation state can create a pandemic, hit cities with small nuclear bombs, etc.

      I am looking forward to dying in 25 years because I think i will avoid the worst of it. I think within 50 years, we are going to have one hella nasty murderous no holds bar conflict. The underlying problem is too many people. If we could get the population down to 2-3 billion, earth would be like a paradise.

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    143. Re:coflicting answers by rifter · · Score: 1

      I've noticed that pro-choice people frequently assert that if abortion were to be made legal, the country that made it illegal what have to revert to all kinds of 1984-esque techniques to actually prevent abortions. This is true. The problem is that just because something is illegal does not mean it has to be - or even can be - arbitrarily enforce. For example: child abuse is illegal but that does not mean the government can trample rights at will to prevent child abuse. If you are seen beating your kid, you are likely to be arrested. If you aren't seen beating your kid, the cops have no right to break down your door and check.

      First off, your example is invalid because the cops may indeed break down the door and check on your kids. First off if they had any suspicion that someone was in danger within they have the right via exigent circumstances to enter and inspect the premises and goings on therein. If there is any reason to believe you have been abusing your children Child Protective Services can and will conduct an investigation which. may or may not include multiple visits. There are a lot of problems in the system right now and it is overburdened at present, but it does happen.

      As far as 1984 measures for abortion there was another example given in which indeed women are being inspected for signs of abortion. This is at least part of the reason that Roe V Wade was decided on the basis of privacy rights. If you want to make *having* an abortion illegal (in other words prosecute mothers) you would have to allow that they have no right to privacy because regulating pregnacies is a pretty intimate business. I might give you a pass on the outlawing doctors providing abortions bit, but the social issue can't be decided like a political one, divorced of context. If abortions are made illegal there has to be a reason and enforcement, and both are intrusions into the privacy of individuals at a very basic level.

      Historically this sort of thing was already done in the past in response to laws against abortion and prostitution as well as fears of venereal disease (and laws pertaining to that). In Victorian England women were indeed carted off semirandomly by police to undergo thorough gynecological examinations for various things including evidence of abortion, pregnancy, and disease. Since these examinations were required to determine illegal activities, they managed to become legally mandated. In this country, we have laws against all sorts of things which basically lead directly to the loss of any rights at all once someone is suspected of breaking them, or worse, BECAUSE they might be suspected of breaking them if we can just get round some of these pesky rights long enough to nab some evidence.

      For instance, random universal drug testing. It should be illegal as a violation of the 4th amendment, but it is not, and the continuous justification for this is that drugs are illegal. We need to throw away the 4th amendment to catch people using drugs on their own time, so we do. We seize their property without a trial as well, once again, because drugs are illegal and being able to seize property before the trial helps make it harder for drug dealers to hire big expensive lawyers. So .. right to property and presumption of innocence ... OLD HAT.

      If you think for one minute that the same bunch of folks who literally peek in people's bedroom windows to enforce sodomy laws are going to blanche at having to have women regularly inspected throughout their pregnancies to ensure proper fetal health and that no laws protecting the child were broken (abortion, intoxication in pregnancy)I think you have not been paying attention.

      Yes, Ron Paul says he's Pro-Life, and Republican. So .. not getting my vote, th

    144. Re:coflicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    145. Re:coflicting answers by rifter · · Score: 1

      And then leftists hypocritically object to such things as creationism being taught in public schools without realizing it's another form of the exact same intolerant violence they wholeheartedly embrace when it suits their own proselytizing agendas.

      Intolerance and force are two-edged swords. If Creationism is taught in public schools then belief in your religion is being enforced by law. This goes for mandatory school prayer (which is the only school prayer that is actually currently illegal) as well. Both violate the 1st amendment because the government is not supposed to establish and maintain religions. If children were punished for praying in school or talking about creationism that would violate the 1st amendment as well, because it violates their free exercise and expression. However what you are talking about is voting against making Genesis 1 part of the Federally Mandated Curriculum, or allowing it to be made part of the State Mandated Curriculum, which would be very wrong; asking for such measures is indeed asking for the force of government to be brought to bear against the minds of your fellows. The twisting and intellectual dishonesty that has been perpetrated in this particular area of law by pastors in my view is disgraceful both from a religious standpoint (BECAUSE THEY ARE LYING!) and from a standpoint of a free citizen (because they are advocating the removal of rights, especially those that are specifically enumerated in the Constitution).

      It is a strange sort of intellectual dishonesty that leads one to characterize a crusade to eradicate civil rights as one to promote freedom. But it has been done before. After all, the abolition of slavery was said to violate States' Rights and property rights of owners. The abolition of the Jim Crow laws was said to violate the rights of business owners to discriminate. It's just that in this case people are arguing for new laws (mandatory school prayers written by the goverment; mandatory Genesis 1 in every science class) taking away people's right to freedom of religion in the guise of protecting those very rights. That takes a special kind of asshole IMHO.

    146. Re:coflicting answers by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows "pro-life" is a stance about abortion and maybe euthanasia. Thanks to the Ministry of Truth for that. Some of their target audiences have read a religious text where their God told them from the beginning of ages not to kill. He then saw his message didn't stick and so he returned a couple of thousands of years ago to clarify that they should love their enemies and turn the other cheek if one is slapped. However, the organizations in control of protecting the rulers of the world from this holy text did their job so well that only a member of another religion applied these principals once in the middle of last century in India, with devastating effects on the country's occupation force of the time.

      It takes a real genius to interpret the phrase "pro-life" to permit the government to kill anyone they consider an enemy, at home and abroad and avoid the emergence of society of brotherly love between all people where politicians will be out of jobs. They key, I think, is to take an unpopular group of people and convince the masses that they are second-rate humans and their lives are just not as valuable. Certainly, when God said "Love thy enemy", he meant an office rival, not a gruesome murderer? The burka-clad arabs are not even Christians, a carpet bombing is just about enough due process for every one of them. And those starving children in Africa - well, they are n-----rs for god sake! Let them starve! Besides we are not killing them, we are just standing by while they die, while we could have saved each one for $5/year. The right of life is only a negative right you see.
    147. Re:coflicting answers by rifter · · Score: 1

      Actually the Defense expenditures for 2008 amount to 19% of the federal budget. But facts probably don't matter to you.

      2007 Federal Budget [wikipedia.org]


      But nearly a trillion dollars a year being spent on the war in Iraq are not even in the budget. Which has in turn helped the debt more than double. And no end in sight for that monster because no one has been brave enough to propose what would have to be done to get rid of a debt that exceeds the government's annual income going on 10 times, especially while prosecuting a war that costs almost as much as the national income.

    148. Re:coflicting answers by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      It's hardly worth arguing, since I'm not defending OP's position, but I so hate being misinterpreted. Keep my quote in context:

      I assumed differently, namely that he meant that if Paul is for strong national security (answer #1), he would likely, if President, find that he would have to avoid answering, or give misleading answers, to some questions (contradicting answer #2).

      That says answer #2 could (hypothetically) be contradicted in the future if adherence to answer #1 required the President to give a misleading answer. It doesn't say answer #1 by itself contains a contradiction, nor does it say that I believed OP was saying #1 contained a contradiction. Here you imply that my statement was somehow about answer #1 either being unclear or containing a contradiction:

        What is not clear or is contradictory about "America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world and worry more about its own national security interests, including its interests in a viable space program. As president, I will also work to remove barriers to private space flight"?

      As it turns out, nevurthls (the OP) did explain that he believed answer #1 was, in itself, unclear (not contradictory). This is not what I suggested his intended meaning was. Further, he believes that, by giving an unclear answer to #1, #2 was contradicted (now, not in the future as in my hypothetical). Since he is the one claiming #1 is unclear, I repeat that you should take it up with him.

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    149. Re:coflicting answers by iamacat · · Score: 1

      And for those that might want to know my personal opinions on the subject, I think Bill Clinton said it best. Abortions should be legal, safe, and above all else rare.

      Then you have more shared ground than differences with pro-fetallife camp (I can't call anyone who supports war and death penalty pro-life). Currently, more than a million abortions are performed per year and 1 in 5 pregnancies ends in an abortion. I don't think anyone can call that "rare". Both pro-choice and pro-fetallife camps should launch a large education campaign among teenagers about contraception, oral sex, same-sex experimentation or abstinence to avoid unwanted pregnancies. After that, we should stop stigmatizing single mothers and declare every pregnancy a cause for celebration. Financial support and free daycare by governments or religious organizations would go a long way towards getting women to reconsider. While we are at it, lets motivate the fathers to spend time with their children, not to just serve as wallets for mothers who are just as responsible.

    150. Re:coflicting answers by jwilhelm121 · · Score: 1

      Chandon Seldon (43083)
      "we need to get rid of our insane military budget."

      I need to comment on this idea. I spent 20 years in the Navy and Retired. 'Uncle Bill' Clinton's Budget to Congress took Regan's 600 ship Navy, [which helped defeat the USSR], and started to CUT people and then benefits (Read LESS Advancement positions). This is also why we have a smaller ARMY today and have to use more National Guard.
      Congress spends the money and decides who gets it, The President only agrees or veto's.
      MOST of the Defense Budget goes to pay the Military and civilian members. If the Defense department does not have the jobs, then the jobs will have to be found in the civilian world.
      This increases competition for YOUR job or unemployment.

      My Military retirement income comes from the Defense budget and disability from the VA. My last job included transporting parts to build new hum-vee's.
      The Defense Department spending is NOT just about bombs, aircraft, and the Equipment. Most of it pays and Employs civilian and military PEOPLE.
      PEOPLE ARE CUT BEFORE EQUIPMENT GOES.

      I would never vote for a Clinton !
    151. Re:coflicting answers by smithmc · · Score: 1

      But the most important point is that the demos in a democracy doesn't have to be consistent. Now if you're a democratic politician you basically don't want to annoy the majority on any issue and that means you can't be consistent either. But the United States is not an (unlimited) democracy. It is a constitutional democratic republic. All that is really democratic about the US is how the officers of the republic are elected. And the Constitution is there to define and limit what those officials can do. And on that score, any inconsistency only serves to embolden the government at the expense of (at least some of) the people, and is therefore to be avoided. Ron Paul has arguably been the most staunch, consistent defender of the Constitution of any elected official in the modern era.

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    152. Re:coflicting answers by smithmc · · Score: 1

      What's up with Dr. Paul wanting to abolish all federal laws anyways? Am I the only one who finds diversity (i.e. confusion) among the laws of a single country a bad idea? What'd be so bad about federal gov't universally (well countrywide, but the US of A tend to be somewhat universal for most citizens of 'em ;)) regulating matters that affect more than, say, 3 states and the states sticking to their local business? I'm not sure what you're trying to say - that is (except for the "3 states" bit) how it works, or at least how it's supposed to work. The Constitution limits the role of the Federal government with regard to interfering the affairs of states - the Tenth Amendment says that any power that is not granted to the Federal government by the Constitution (such as foreign affairs, national defense, interstate affairs like commerce, etc.) is left to the States, or to the people themselves. Now, unfortunately, as a result of things like Federal grants-in-aid, highway funding, etc. the Federal government has wheedled its way into a position of greater power over the states, but that's not how it was meant to be by the folks who wrote the Constitution.

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    153. Re:coflicting answers by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 1

      Supporting big government spending with the "jobs" argument continues to be lame, especially for non-economists. I'm not an economist, but the one thing I do know is that there are better policies to create many good jobs than to pay military personnel to hang out and play golf in Japan.

      The President could do quite a bit for the military budget by simply ordering the personnel home. Once they were hanging out on military bases here, it'd be really easy to argue that their positions could be safely cut (and the money saved) - and the president does have quite a bit of influence on the budget in practice.

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    154. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      First off, your example is invalid because the cops may indeed break down the door and check on your kids.

      No. They can not break in just to check on my kids. They can not. Your own post confirms this. They have to have reason to believe something is going on *right now*, or they have to have sufficient evidence to get a warrant. I listed both of these examples in my own post. They can not simply pick a random door and, with no basis for suspicion, just enter to check and see how things are going. They. Can. Not. Do. That.

      If abortions are made illegal there has to be a reason and enforcement, and both are intrusions into the privacy of individuals at a very basic level.

      You are conflating legality and enforcement. To the extent that enforcing abortion laws would violate individual rights they can not be enforced. It does not follow, merely because they are hard to enforce, that the acts themselves can not be criminalized at all. There are, in fact, ways to enforce abortion laws without violating rights. One simple example took place in Spain, where a sting operation went to an abortion provider and asked about getting an illegal abortion. The provider explained how the law could be circumvented and this was probably cause for susbequent raids that found plenty of evidence of illegal activity.

      This is no more invasive than sting operations where kids try to purchase alcohol while under age.

      I will give you this: pro-actively enforcing a law against *having* abortions would be practically impossible. That's fine. Most pro-lifers have no desire to prosecute women in crisis pregnancies anyway. Pro-lifers beleive that they are in genuine need of help. We believe that abortion is not really help (it's band-aid, not a solution) but certainly additional prosuection isn't "help" either.

      Since these examinations were required to determine illegal activities, they managed to become legally mandated.

      I agree that it has happened in the past. I disagree that it is necessarily the case that it will happen again.

      For instance, random universal drug testing. It should be illegal as a violation of the 4th amendment, but it is not, and the continuous justification for this is that drugs are illegal.

      Yes, it is illegal. Drug testing is allowed as a condition of employment, before donating blood, and for other reasons, but "universal rqandom drug testing" is illegal and does not exist. Not in the USA, anyway. The cops don't get to just pick random social security numbers, track down the owner, and adminster drug tests simply as a fishing expedition. It. Is. Not. Legal.

      If you think for one minute that the same bunch of folks who literally peek in people's bedroom windows to enforce sodomy laws are going to blanche at having to have women regularly inspected throughout their pregnancies to ensure proper fetal health and that no laws protecting the child were broken (abortion, intoxication in pregnancy)I think you have not been paying attention.

      That's not a fair representation of the base of the pro-life movement. There are dinosaur-denying Bible-thumpers, but that's not the norm. I've been involved in the pro-life movement for over a decade. I've been to national conventions. I've worked with state affiliates of the NRLC. I've met Catholics, Baptists, Jews, Buddhists and atheists. There's a difference between the "God says so" social conservatives (who care about sodomy laws) and the pro-lifers who see it as an issue of civil rights. I'm that kind, and the vast majority of pro-lifers are as well. The crazies are just louder.

      I do wonder how supporting abortion laws as well as the party most responsible for extending the reach of the federal government and our foreign adventures (especially of late) fit with the rest of it; that would probably have been a better question for Mr. Paul.

      Well Paul is obviously attempting to take the Republican party away from the neo-con big-gov't di

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    155. Re:coflicting answers by justo · · Score: 1

      sounds like it would be a good solution to the growing unemployment rate -- new state jobs!

    156. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      I will leave your rose-tinted view of history for now. It's not worth getting into an argument about how much "damage" Ghandi did to the occupation force or whether the Brits really wanted to be there any more at all. The least you can do, however, is examine the great success Ghandi had applying his principles in Africa before you conclude just how universally irresistable they are.

      It takes a real genius to interpret the phrase "pro-life"...

      I think that it's relatively fair to allow the movement that self-identifies as X to define X. I don't go around telling a "pro-choier" what "pro-choice" means. I allow the actions, words, and writings of the pro-choice movement (e.g. NARAL, NOW, and PP) to speak for themselves. Is it too much to ask that you allow your political opponents to speak for themslves, rather than insist on retaining for yourself the authority to tell everyone what their own stance really means?

      They key, I think, is to take an unpopular group of people and convince the masses that they are second-rate humans and their lives are just not as valuable.
      Exactly. Other than the word "unpopular" I agree word-for-word, and consider that exactly the method being used to strip unborn human beings of their human rights. Rather than "unpopular" they are "invisible", but certainly expensive to keep around. The pro-choice side rests on the proposition that human rights are not for all human beings: that is that "their lives are just not as valuable" as the lives of the born.

      The burka-clad arabs are not even Christians, a carpet bombing is just about enough due process for every one of them. And those starving children in Africa - well, they are n-----rs for god sake! Let them starve! Besides we are not killing them, we are just standing by while they die, while we could have saved each one for $5/year. The right of life is only a negative right you see.

      I see your grasp of international aid is no beter than your grasp of history. It really is sad to me that so many liberals subsist on good intentions alone, when good intentions with research would benefit the world far more.

      I'll address the points one-by-one:

      1. I said that pro-life does not necessitate strict pacifism. You took this to mean that carpet-bombing civilians is A-OK. I am amused, but not surprised, at where you ran off with that argument, but I'd like a response to what I actually said rather than what you think I believe.

      2. Allegations of racism and religious intolerance are about par for the course. It's just a matter of commonly known fact that if you're conservative it is because you are intolerant of others: http://kiriath-arba.blogspot.com/2006/11/libertarians-liberals-and-who-really.html (my blog)

      3. The staving children in Africa: http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663,00.html (der spiegal interview of kenyan economist) http://kiriath-arba.blogspot.com/2007/06/myth-of-big-push.html and (my blog again)

      I hope you will read, or at least skim, those articles. In case you don't here's the short version: I care deeply about how Americans can best alleviate suffering in the world and have dedicated serious amounts of time to researching this problem. Research will not solve problems, but trying to fix problems without knowing what you're doing can make things much, much worse. Ignorant attempts to "fix" Africa, the Middle East and so on have led to almost as much suffering (if not more) than attempts to oppress those same regions. Far more have died in the name of progress and "help" (Stalin, Pol Pot, the mess made of Africa and the Middle East due to foreign 'aid') than died in quests for God, Glory, and Gold.

      Before you condemn conservative as heartless bastards

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    157. Re:coflicting answers by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      In my experience, once things get beyond a certain size, the economies of scale are lost and bureaucratic overhead consumes the savings.

      So 1 item is expensive; 10 items are less per piece, 1000 items are 10% of the cost per piece; but 10,000 items is back up to 15% of the cost and it just gets worse from there. Before you know it, you have $600 hammers and similar items.

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    158. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      (I can't call anyone who supports war and death penalty pro-life).

      It amuses me to no end that you think it needs to be clarified by adding "fetal" but not, for example, by adding "human".

      And it's stupid to say anyone supports war. No one supports war in general. But most people are realistic enough to realize that sometimes war is morally acceptable as a last resort. Which wars are you against? Iraq? World War II? The American Revolution?

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    159. Re:coflicting answers by iamacat · · Score: 1
      Thanks for such a detailed reply. You obviously thought things through and I did look at your web links. Still, I can not agree with a few points:

      I think that it's relatively fair to allow the movement that self-identifies as X to define X. I don't go around telling a "pro-choier" what "pro-choice" means. The most damage we can do to our society is to redefine the language itself so that words like freedom, privacy, democracy, right to life and so on do not carry the meaning that was originally intended. How can people fight for something that they can not even express in the language. George Orwell did a good job describing on how people can be controlled by redefining words.

      I am sticking to calling the groups in question "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion" because there is no sign that prominent supporters of either cause show any extraordinary respect for non-fetal life or freedom of choice in other areas such as, say, economic decisions.

      The staving children in Africa [link]

      Very well, the link is describing corruption of existing aid organizations and the need of Africans to stand up for themselves rather than be beggars. But, what if I just bought a shipload of rice and dal and personally came to Africa to feed only pre-teen children and pregnant women? Certainly you don't expect fetuses and babies to be savvy capitalists and take care of themselves. I would think "pro-lifers" would be all over this task - after taking care of the same problem here in USA.

      The problem of social organization is how to set up an arrangement under which greed will do the least harm, capitalism is that kind of a system.

      True, capitalism is a system powered by greed. It wouldn't work well if people were not greedy and stopped trying to make money once they have enough for a meal and a roof. Instead of looking at our society with rose-colored glasses, why don't we also use lust, gluttony, sloth, wrath, envy and pride as the main foundations of our society? Actually it looks like we are well underway here in US...

    160. Re:coflicting answers by iamacat · · Score: 1

      It amuses me to no end that you think it needs to be clarified by adding "fetal" but not, for example, by adding "human".

      I am just describing the mind set of a movement that has no intention to value human life after birth. Otherwise, they would be all over universal health care, world food aid, road safety and yes pacifism.

      But most people are realistic enough to realize that sometimes war is morally acceptable as a last resort.

      When the worlds most powerful the country goes to war with one of the poorest ones, the only morally acceptable war would take form of a police action - soldiers patrolling the streets and arresting violent individuals and using the best known non-lethal weapons before resorting to gunfire. Big "Shock and awe" bombs and missiles which are destroying the whole area without knowing how many civilians are in there should be out of question. Soldiers must have freedom to disregard orders if they think they are about to harm an innocent. All other actions, such as publicly apologizing to the other country or bribing the corrupt leader to resign power in return for lifetime of luxury must be considered before actions resulting in numerous killing are commenced.

      Sure, we will suffer many more casualties in such a war. But those would be noble deaths of individuals trying to better the world while protecting themselves to the best of their ability without sacrificing their principals.

    161. Re:coflicting answers by MacDork · · Score: 1

      The Fed? Inflation is high because your dollar went to shit because of your deficit. It's simple supply and demand, and the Fed controls the supply of dollars. You are only pointing out one reason the Fed is creating money at a much greater rate than real growth. There is no gold standard or any other system of checks and balances in place to keep the Fed honest. The Fed is root. Their policy is ultimately responsible for all inflation/deflation in the US dollar. The fact that you point to the trade deficit as the reason for the plummeting value of the dollar illustrates a fundamental misunderstanding of American economics. You aren't alone. Most of the world has been snowed, or they wouldn't be accepting those little green IOUs.

      If Ron Paul could have stopped the Iraq war he damn well should have. That's rather non-sequitur. I don't recall mentioning Iraq in my last message.... Are you sure you aren't just trolling?

      Your national visa card is approaching 5 trillion dollars. That's the problem. That's nothing. Central banks created $400 billion dollars out of thin air between Aug. 9 and Aug. 21 of 2007. They called it "Injecting liquidity" to "stabilize the markets." In other words, hide a market crash by devaluing the currency. You only have to look at commodity prices rocketing skyward to see it. So as long as you're stupid enough to continue accepting greenbacks, it isn't a problem at all.
    162. Re:coflicting answers by jwilhelm121 · · Score: 1
      From this URL:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

      The United States military budget is that portion of the United States discretionary federal budget that is allocated to the Department of Defense. This military budget pays the salaries, training, and health care of uniformed and civilian personnel, maintains arms, equipment and facilities, funds operations, and develops and buys new gear. The budget funds all branches of the U.S. military: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard. [ I would guess for non-civilian Coast Guard missions ]
      You are right, you're no economist, and if you believe that THIS LAME SAILOR played golf in Japan, Go talk to my daughter with the Purple Heart. She won't talk about the road side bomb, but could talk about the Navy father who was always GONE because of less people [Clinton downsizing] to do the work that needed to be done.

      Once they were hanging out on military bases here, it'd be really easy to argue that their positions could be safely cut (and the money saved) Downsizing affects everyone and if your job is cut, someone else will have to do more with less. Not to mention the unemployed now trying to find another job. The Military maintains more personal than needed to do JUST the mission so members can be rotated and given time off. Cross training is done to cover each other's butt. I once did the supply stuff when our clerk's father died and I was a airtcraft engine mech working 12 hr shifts 24/7. In 1991, I spent 59 days doing circles in a 200 mile box off the Pacific coast of Panama. Our Coast Guard team recovered 5000 lb of Orange bales while my helicopter provided cover. Maybe your job should be cut and save money?

      The Military is not JUST in IRAQ. And its not chess pieces on a chess board, Its made up of people who do a job, and that like to get paid more than slave labor too.
      Part of the 2007 Total Funding of $439.3 Billion was Operations and maintenance = $152.2 Bil. and Military Personnel = $110.8 Bil.
      The Defense Department is an EMPLOYER and when Congress reduced the US bases years ago, the communities economy around the bases were cut too.

      Everybody's JOB is important, and to use "Admiral Dan Gallery" words in his book: "Clear the Decks!", [Gallery, Daniel V. Rear Admiral U.S.N. (ret.), 1967 ], even the guy cleaning the heads is important to the mission. Captain Gallery captured the U505 in WWII, http://uboat.net/boats/u505.htm/.
      Don't just study economics, but US and World History as well.
      That is if your head isn't buried in the sand [ Isolationist thinking ] while your butt is sticking in the air.
    163. Re:coflicting answers by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      That says answer #2 could (hypothetically) be contradicted in the future if adherence to answer #1 required the President to give a misleading answer. It doesn't say answer #1 by itself contains a contradiction, nor does it say that I believed OP was saying #1 contained a contradiction.

      In that case I apologize.

      As it turns out, nevurthls (the OP) did explain that he believed answer #1 was, in itself, unclear (not contradictory). This is not what I suggested his intended meaning was. Further, he believes that, by giving an unclear answer to #1, #2 was contradicted (now, not in the future as in my hypothetical). Since he is the one claiming #1 is unclear, I repeat that you should take it up with him.

      Once again I apologize for my misunderstanding.

      Falcon
    164. Re:coflicting answers by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 1

      Even if the federal government hiring people with tax dollars to create jobs is an efficient plan economically (and only an economist can answer that question), there are better ways to do that than the military. As an example, funding NASA as an employer would be a less destructive use of tax dollars.

      [ Isolationist thinking ] while your butt is sticking in the air.

      Or maybe I'm looking very carefully, and think that it might possibly be a good idea to stop punching the giant hornet's nest and get the hell out of there. Constantly interfering in the rights of other sovereign nations can only come out in two ways (world war or world government), and I want to see neither.

      Maybe your job should be cut and save money?

      If my job was threatening people with military force, and it was being paid for with tax dollars, I'd vote to have it cut. No-one has a right to a government job - and no-one argues that they should outside of France and maybe Italy.

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    165. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      Thanks for such a detailed reply. You obviously thought things through and I did look at your web links. Still, I can not agree with a few points:

      First off: thanks for the civil tone. It's a pleasure to discuss issues when I can disagree with someone who is both civil and reasonable.

      How can people fight for something that they can not even express in the language. George Orwell did a good job describing on how people can be controlled by redefining words.

      I don't think there's anything Orwellian about the term "pro-life". I agree that it's a rhetorical device, but I don't think it rises to the level of "Orwellian". The reason that I prefer it to "anti-abortion" is simply that "pro-life" groups:

      1. embrace more causes than abortion (e.g. embryonic stem cell research and euthanasia). Check out the website of the NRLC (by far the largest pro-life group in the US) to see their issues.

      2. the moniker "pro-life" is accurate in the sense that pro-life groups want to give an equal right to life to all human beings. Right now it is legal in the US to kill unborn human beings for any reason. This is obviously a legally and ideologically worse position than the plight of starving Africans. They have at least some claim to a right to life (you can't just wander around with a gun shooting them) and they are not American citizens so American legislation does not directly impact them (although the indirect impact can be enormous).

      3. you make the mistake of assuming that because pro-life organizations are dedicated to abortion/euthanaisa/etc. that the *people* in those movements are not members of other movements as well. The pro-life movement is largely shaped and defined by Roe v Wade and the realities it imposed on America and so it is oriented to those issues. But that's the *movement*. People are free to be a part of multiple movements, and many are.

      4. most pro-lifers, and many pro-life groups, are substantially engaged in supporting pregnant women and fighting to end discrimination against pregnant women. Pro-life feminists lead the charge here, but I know that on my campus pro-life group (University of Richmond) our president made it a top priority to address the fact that if a UR student got pregnant there were literally no support services available. No pregnant parking, no day care, no academic allowances for leave, etc. Nothing. The pro-life movement does care about women as well as the children they carry despite the stereotypes to the contrary. One major reason the stereotype persists is that the pro-life movement simply doesn't have the resources and funds the pro-choice movement has. This is in part because the pro-choice movement makes substantial sums of money in addition to government grants (PP gets 1/3rd of their revenue from abortions, another 1/3rd from government funds) and in part because the pro-choice movement is vastly more popular with major donors like Holllywood elite.

      But, what if I just bought a shipload of rice and dal and personally came to Africa to feed only pre-teen children and pregnant women? Certainly you don't expect fetuses and babies to be savvy capitalists and take care of themselves. I would think "pro-lifers" would be all over this task - after taking care of the same problem here in USA.

      Who says they aren't in favor of something like that? You're not really asking for them to support additional causes, you're asking for them to support additional causes under the same banner. I don't really understand why you think it's necessary for pro-lifers to dilute the pro-life cause in order to support other causes. There are "fight hunger" groups, "aids awareness" groups, and "pro-life" groups. There's no reason to try and merge them all into one monolithic entity. Pro-life groups are focussed on life-issues in American politics. Fighting hunger, as your example demonstrates, is an entirely different endeavor. So why link the two?

      Don't presume that because I'm pro-lif

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    166. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      I am just describing the mind set of a movement that has no intention to value human life after birth. Otherwise, they would be all over universal health care, world food aid, road safety and yes pacifism.

      Saying that the pro-life cause doesn't value human life after birth is simply not true. The pro-life cause knows that in America you have a right not to be killed, and we want to extend that right to the unborn. It's that simple: the right to life for all.

      I flat-out reject your notion that to be pro-life you have to be pacifist. Look, there are two definitions of pacifism. One is "being opposed to war, and thinking war is bad". According to this definition of pacifism, it is possible to see war as an evil that is sometimes necessary. I am that kind of pacifist, and so are many of the world's military and philosophical leaders:

      "We don't thrive on military acts. We do them because we have to, and thank God we are efficient." - Golda Meir

      "Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living." - General Omar Bradley

      "The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war." - General Douglas MacArthur

      "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the
      exertions of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill

      "There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing
      good in war. Except its ending." - Abraham Lincoln

      "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." - Ernest Hemingway

      "I have never advocated war except as a means of peace." - Ulysses S. Grant

      "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      "It is well that war is so terrible, or we should get too fond of it." - Robert E. Lee

      "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell. You can bear this warning voice to generations yet to come. I look upon war with horror." - General William Tecumseh Sherman

      I ended with that last quote deliberately. That is the sentiment of the man credited with inventing the modern doctrine of total war. I feel that the vast majority of pacifists subsist on this stereotype of military leaders and non-pacifists as bloodthirsty killers. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Some men revel in war. They are evil. Many men are disgusted, horrified, and repulsed by war but learn to fight and lead anyway. They are heroes. As long as there are evil purposes in the world, there will be need of men and women willing to resist by force when all other means have failed. These men and women can honestly be called pacifists in the first sense of the word.

      The other type of pacifisim is strict pacifism that says you can never use force ever. I think this is both stupid and pro-death. If the only way to save innocent lives is to kill an aggressor, than any fair reading of the words "pro-life" says "kill the agressor". This type of pacifism is not requried by being pro-life, because it would lead to more death.

      The rest of your post has to do with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in particular. Opposing some wars does not make you a pacifist of any kind. Pacifism, of either variety, is about war in general. You can be a bloodthirsty, pro-war tyrant and still oppose some wars for various reasons.

      So I don't want to get into a debate about Iraq and Afghanistan. I just want to point out that even if you're right and they were evil wars, that doesn't have a thing to do with being pacifist so it clearly has nothing to do with being pro-life.

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    167. Re:coflicting answers by iamacat · · Score: 1

      I guess what bugs me is that politicians that identify themselves as pro-life consistently vote against health coverage for children, maternity/paternity leave and in favor of death penalty, every war and unrestricted ownership of even automatic guns that can kill a dozen of people in less than a minute. They also keep droning how teenagers that get pregnant "have ruined their whole lives" and then wonder why the later go and have abortions. I ended up voting for Obama, in big part because I think overall he will be most effective in reducing the amount of violence in our society, including war, crime and the number of (legal+illegal) abortions.

      What I would like to see instead is a revolution in our culture. Throughout most of the history, children were seen as a blessing rather than a burden - joy of motherhood/fatherhood, fun of play, help with farm/craft work, support at old age. Having an abortion back then would seem as strange as cutting off your arm (unless you knew for sure that the baby will starve to death anyway). How did we come to see things so different in a much more affluent society?

      The first problem I think is the number of unrealistic expectations on the parents. Children CANNOT go to work even for reasonable time like 4 hours a day and make some money for the family. You HAVE to buy the latest gadgets like PSP. You HAVE to send you kids to a private university even if you are poor. You can not leave a toddler alone in a childproofed, locked nursery for an hour to go grab some groceries. I am not saying most of those rules are not good in principle, but we are making parents with average IQ and education level feel like they are monsters for going through with pregnancy and just taking care of the kid to the best of their abilities.

      Then there is a breakup of community. Until the second half of 20th century in US, and in most places of the world till now, if parents need a break or time to work, they could just drop the kids and neighbors, grandparents, aunts or any acquaintances. Now it's a $1K/month babysitter and everyone is to be feared as a potential child molester (which is 10% reality and 90% sensationalism created by the Lifetime channel).

      We must address these social problems rather than just passing laws. Otherwise women will just do illegal abortions, have "accidents" that lead to miscarriage or just neglect their babies pre and post birth. I don't see any prominent figures in pro-life movement working to make a dent on these issues. I don't see abortion clinics surrounded by tents with people offering counseling, job/financial assistance and volunteering to babysit. I would love to see a political candidate who is truly and universally pro-life like Ghandi.

    168. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      Honestly, and I mean this in all kindness, but you strike me as the proto-typical liberal. You have a big heart, but you just haven't examined these issues with any amount of serious scrutiny.

      For example:

      I don't see abortion clinics surrounded by tents with people offering counseling, job/financial assistance and volunteering to babysit. I would love to see a political candidate who is truly and universally pro-life like Ghandi.

      I'm the co-admin of a major pro-life group on Facebook (40,000+ members). I went out to San Francisco for the Walk for Life and to meet the other co-admin, who lives there. Her father used to do "sidewalk counseling", and when he met a young woman who said "I just don't have any where to live, I have to get this abortion" he opened his family's home to her. She moved in and stayed for the rest of the pregnancy for free. That is what pro-lifers do. I myself have volunteered (and will continue to volunteer) to help out at crisis pregnancy centers that offer this kind of concrete support. I've held the hands of a rape victim and helped her get through the aftermath of her abortion. I've been there, and I will be there. That's what it means to be pro-life. I have given lots of money, and will continue to give money, to a fund to help low income people in developing nation have access to no-interest loans to get better educations so they can provide for their families and lift themselves out of poverty. And if you read the blog post I linked you to, conservatives as a whole give *more* money and *more* time (even as a % of income) to causes like this.

      What you don't understand is that the reason you don't see conservative politicians campaigning for these societal changes is not that they don't support them. It's that conservatives don't believe it's the role of government to try and legislate our morality and our culture and our charity. You said it yourself: We must address these social problems rather than just passing laws. If laws aren't the solution to these problems, and conservatives believe they are not, why on earth do you expect legislators to pull a Ghandi and become leaders of social revolutions? It's. Not. Their. Job. And I don't mean "they don't have to do it", I mean "they should not do it". I don't want my legislators - my government - taking that kind of a role in my country. Conservatives believe in small government, and so conservative politicians are not going to try and use government to solve these problems. They think government gets in the way. That's why they don't say all the things you want them to say.

      vote against health coverage for children, maternity/paternity leave

      Where does it end? Gov't spends 60% of our budget on entitlements. 60%. It will be 70% in the next 8 yaers. Maybe you think governments job is to take care of us, but I don't. You think that government needs to solve all of our problems. I don't. The reason I, and many conservative politicians, don't just rubber-stamp every single increase in government hand outs is not that we think that kids don't deserve health insurance, it's that we think that 1) there are better ways to get it to them than through the government and 2) government is morally obligated to not assume such a tyrannical amount of power over the citizens. You just don't get that, as happy and rose-colored as the idea of an all-encompassing Big Brother government is, benevolent tyranny is still tyranny. Not every problem can or should be solved by expanding government power.

      every war

      Bullocks. The Republicans got elected to end the Vietnam War. If you want to talk Iraq and Afghanistan, we can talk Iraq and Afghanistan, but Republicans/conservatives are obviously not in favor of all wars or (even more ludicrious) in favor of war in general. They believe that Iraq/Afghanistan are necessary. You don't. But it's not like they think war is great for kicks and thrills.

      unrestricted ownership of even automatic gu

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    169. Re:coflicting answers by rifter · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your well-reasoned response. However I think it does tend to prove my point.

      I understand that most (or at least many) people who advocate what are currently called "Pro-Life" positions are good decent people with the best of intentions. But that is precisely the point. You will not be the enforcers. The people who waterboard and extraordinarily render at whim, who once tortured people who were advocating for what are now among the "pro-choice" rights will be the enforcers.

      I understand your logic in that you say that it does not follow that absolute enforcement is required for a law to be effected. After all, the government has not mandated governors in all cars despite the speed law. But they will continue to intrude and will continue to try to enforce this law, to the point that there were recent wailings and gnashing of teeth over the government demanding all gps data from certain cars that were capable of recording it, and the like. Okay so Universal Drug Testing is not so completely the law as you describe, but the testing does become more ubiquitous all because of the illegality of the drugs. It is the same with anything else. MP3s are illegal, so the RIAA gets to hack your computer for no reason. Etc, etc.

      Fundamentally though you're missing the point that in order to make abortion illegal in this country you have to overturn Roe v. Wade. In order to do that you *must* invalidate the fundamental right to privacy because that is the right on which the case was decided. The Judges did not say a woman has a fundamental right to an abortion so much as she has a fundamental right to regulate her own body and work conjunction with her doctor to deal with any and all reproductive health issues without anyone else poking their nose in there. They recognized it was not absolute and gave the state a valve in that at some point restrictions have to be allowed, else the end is people being allowed to dash their child's brains out on a rock like the old days. But ultimately they decided that the decisions made in early pregnancy are up to the woman. She should be allowed to keep track of when she got pregnant, what she's going to do, etc, rather than some government tallymaster making her prove how many terminated pregnancies were miscarriages versus abortions.

      In any event I think you guys are going about this entirely the wrong way. I'm reasonably certain that whereas the "pro-life" and "pro-choice" camps are divided roughly down the middle, with strong variations within each "camp," the number of people who would prefer less abortions is closer to 99-100%. If reducing abortion is your goal, you need to recognize this is a SOCIAL issue and not just something you can slap a law at and have go away. It did not work last time we tried your way, for obvious and predictable reasons, and the result will likely be even worse next time.

      Oddly enough, the "Pro-Life" camp seems to directly be working to INCREASE the number of abortions by their actions. If you want to decrease abortions you would need to:

      1) INCREASE sex education, so that people understand how they become pregnant and what they can do to prevent it, as well as how to properly deal with the situation should it arise. Currently "Pro-Life" is pretty consistently AGAINST all education in this area.

      2) INCREASE access to contraception. If people do not become pregnant they do not need abortions.

      3) INCREASE stem cell and cloning research, and the like. Yes, that is what I said. INCREASE it. The same tech used for cloning might someday lead to the ability to transplant fetuses, which would basically allow you to go to the same doctor you go to to get your baby killed, and instead give it away without a time limit (these babies can be frozen) or the necessity to carry to term yourself at 13 years of age. You might even have the baby yourself later under these circumstances. The other genetic research can lead to cures to genetic disease which is anothe

    170. Re:coflicting answers by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If it's strategically important to defend another country _because their opponent will be moving on to us next_, then it stands to reason that our new ally will gladly allow us to stage troops and equipment in their territory.
      By the time you get the troops there it'll be too late. If you wait till the enemy's sailing up the Potomac it's way too late.
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    171. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your well-reasoned response. However I think it does tend to prove my point.

      We'll see about that! :-)

      I understand that most (or at least many) people who advocate what are currently called "Pro-Life" positions are good decent people with the best of intentions. But that is precisely the point. You will not be the enforcers. The people who waterboard and extraordinarily render at whim, who once tortured people who were advocating for what are now among the "pro-choice" rights will be the enforcers.

      Are recreational drug users waterboarded? Are kids who take their parents Rx drugs tortured? This is the kind of hysteria I describe. There's no reason whatsoever to think that if abortion is made illegal then suddenly the CIA will be sending covert agents to waterboard women and their primary care physicians. I mean, just for starters, the CIA isn't even allowed to conduct operations on American soil (and by all accounts actually follows that), and I leave it to you to explain how on earth torturing abortion providers is going to take a precedent over finding terrorists. The FBI, local law enforcement, etc. do not waterboard. There's been no evidence at all, none, that this is the case. There has not even been an accusation that this is the case.

      I understand your logic in that you say that it does not follow that absolute enforcement is required for a law to be effected. After all, the government has not mandated governors in all cars despite the speed law

      Here's what I think you don't understand, however. Your arguing from a pro-choice perspective. You did not mention once in your entire post the right to life of the unborn. I'll get to that later. If you argue abortion without reference to the unborn human being than it becomes a victimless crime and all of your examples - drug use, the RIAA, etc. - apply.

      But I want you to at least understand the pro-life position. Imagine, just for the sake of argument, that the unborn human being deserves human rights. The simplest way to do that is to imagine the argument is not abortion but infanticide. (I'm not trying to prove that abortion really is like infanticide, and I don't even believe it, but I want you to stand in the shoes of someone who believes all human beings have a right to life.) If it was legal to kill infants up to 1 year, would you see banning this practice as encroaching upon or expanding on liberty?

      What I'm getting at is this: the pro-life side wants more protections for citizens, not less. You see this as increasing government control precisely because you completely omit any consideration of the unborn human being from the question. But to a pro-lifer the protecting of the unborn goes hand-in-hand with increasing liberty. I'm in favor of limiting abortion *and* amenable to legalizing drug use *and* incredibly opposed to the RIAA and their conception of intellectual property rights. I want less government and more individual liberty, but if a segment of our society has no right to life how can I say that I am pro-liberty?

      The point I'm getting across is that the view of the unborn human being is the fulcrum on which this question turns. If the unborn human being merits no consideration then your comparison of the pro-life side with anti-liberty forces is accurate because the liberty of the woman is being curtailed and there's no increase in liberty for someone else. However if the unborn human being merits consideration then the pro-life position is no more limiting liberty than abolitionists or civil rights protestors limited liberty. (I do not actually believe that women who get abortions are in any way similar to slave owners. Women in crisis pregnancies are quite literally under extreme duress. I do think it may be an apt description of doctors who provide them.)

      Fundamentally though you're missing the point that in order to make abortion illegal in this country you have to o

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    172. Re:coflicting answers by Lane.exe · · Score: 1

      There's a 4... to arrest someone that they reasonably believe present and have probable cause to believe committed a crime. So, you know, if they think you're beating your kids (a crime) and they have a reasonable belief that you're in your home, they can come inside and arrest you, even without your permission.

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    173. Re:coflicting answers by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      There's a 4... to arrest someone that they reasonably believe present and have probable cause to believe committed a crime.

      Again: with probable cause. That's my whole point. If the police already know - or have good cause to suspect - that you've committed a crime they can act. But they can not *preemptively* search your house to try and find evidence. That's my whole point. They have to have a reason *first*.

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    174. Re:coflicting answers by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      I'm pro-humanity.

      That is to say, I like humans, even though a great many of them piss me off with their rampant stupidity. I want them to thrive while I am here, I want them to thrive after I am gone.

      Right now, we're on the edge of a collapse caused by allowing men and women to choose not to procreate, but rather get that nice new car. The productivity of our society came not from our economic system, nor from our political system, but from the elimination of dependents.

      The boomers had a low relative percentage of elderly dependents because their parents had large families, and they created a culture that prevents the creation of new young dependents and further absolved anyone of any responsibility to those young are created.

      Which is all well and good, except that very soon those boomers are going to be the dependents, and the wealth of the society, indeed the society itself, is going to disappear. At which point, both democracy and economics are going to make everyone from my generation and those that follow my generation into slaves to the needs of the elderly, and are furthermore going to demand that we all deliver care to the rich DINKS before our own parents, who were systematically rendered poorer by their choice to create us.

      I learned all about the particulars of this when I was briefly in the insurance industry as a young man and got access to the actuary tables, over a decade ago now. That sort of data is hidden in the name of privacy, you won't find it in any census, because it's a problem of catastrophic proportions and those who rule would be cast down and cast out were these facts to be integrated into the common consciousness.

      What this means is that all those doctors who are giving birth control to people, all the women who are taking it, all the men who are permitting it to happen, they're all enemies of humanity. They're actively avoiding responsibilities that aren't just socially recognizable, but biologically hard wired for our survival, and they're taking resources from those who are actually participating in the ongoing story of humanity and making them slaves through economics.

      So, either we're in this together, or we're not. If we're in this together, everyone has responsibilities to the future of mankind, and I'm happy to work together.

      If we're not in this together, well, then I really don't see any reason for me to participate in this charade. From a purely self-interested point of view, I may as well just kill every man and old woman inside my territory, rape the young attractive ones into pregnancy, create my own little tribe and exterminate the rest of you.

      I'm pro get married young, have kids young, don't get divorced, but feel free to screw around guilt free when you're old and bored if that's what you want, as long as you're only doing it with others who have already had their families.

      Why? Because that's sustainable without being needlessly oppressive, and what's going on now isn't.

      Lifelong sexual monogamy made the shift from needfully oppressive to needlessly oppressive when and because we developed the capacity to suppress STDs. But that doesn't mitigate the need for a population that is if nothing else stable enough that it doesn't decline dramatically within a couple of generation, as ours has done.

      As far as I'm concerned, the feminists and the abortionists and the family lawyers and the DINKs and all the other special interest groups promoting the "choice" agenda are actively attacking me and mine.

      We will need new systems to govern our society when this crisis hits, and it will hit regardless of anything we do at this late date.

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    175. Re:coflicting answers by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I may as well just kill every man and old woman inside my territory, rape the young attractive ones into pregnancy, create my own little tribe and exterminate the rest of you.

      tl;dr. I think you should become An Hero.

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    176. Re:coflicting answers by hitchhacker · · Score: 1

      Also, typical politician speak, in which they take 5 sentences to say "I agree". You have got to be kidding. If anything, the answers weren't long enough. All of them except the patent related answer are 1 or 2 sentences, and the patent one is 3. Very straightforward answers, which is completely unlike "politician speak".

      -metric
    177. Re:coflicting answers by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "If Ron Paul could have stopped the Iraq war he damn well should have."

      What do you expect politicians to do, if the voters just keep voting for either Twiddledee or Twiddle-dumber?

      It's like the sheep keep electing one of two wolves to chomp on them, even if an alleged sheep stands for election, they still keep electing proven wolves :).

      OK they could all be wolves in sheeps clothing... Too bad then.

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  3. lolwut by snarfies · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, like, I'm confused. Who is actually answering these questions here? The title and story intro say the questions are answered by the "Ron Paul campaign." So does that mean this is, in fact, Ron Paul himself answering, or his people, or a combination, or...?

    1. Re:lolwut by Roblimo · · Score: 5, Informative

      The answers were prepared by Ron Paul's legislative director, who is the person in most Congressional offices (don't forget - Ron Paul is a sitting Congressman, not just a presidential candidate) who is empowered to speak on behalf of the representative. It's also possible, although we have not been told this, that Rep. Paul himself came up with the answers.

      Many years ago, on a certain presidential campaign (which one is not important; he didn't win), if you got a "personal" answer to your letter addressed to the candidate, chances are that I wrote it and "signed" his name with a machine that scrawled "his" signature with a felt-tip pen.

      You really can't expect a presidential candidate to personally answer all requests or even all media requests. That task alone takes at least 100 hours per day, which means you need to have a number of people doing it.

      Reality = when you vote for almost any office higher than local school board member, you're voting for a team instead of for an individual.

      I have learned, over the years, to carefully watch the actions of that team, and its organization or lack thereof, as a useful indicator of how competent that candidate will be in office if he or she is elected.

      I may have stories to tell about our attempts to contact various campaigns as the general election gets closer. :)

      - Robin

    2. Re:lolwut by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      So, like, I'm confused. Who is actually answering these questions here? The title and story intro say the questions are answered by the "Ron Paul campaign." So does that mean this is, in fact, Ron Paul himself answering, or his people, or a combination, or...? It's the media juggernaut collectively referred to as "Ron Paul". I'm sure at some level Ron Paul read and responded to these questions, but then his answers were filtered through layers of PR people into palatable pre-digested "safe" answers that give a general feeling of Ron Paul's opinion without actually answering anything definitively that way if he should happen to do something different after election they have enough freedom to spin the answer to the inevitable questions. Unfortunately that's politics for you, you're never going to get a simple straight answer short of cornering one of the candidates someplace by himself and hoping he'll actually answer your questions.
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    3. Re:lolwut by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So does that mean this is, in fact, Ron Paul himself answering, or his people, or a combination, or...?
      Well, just like Ron Paul's newsletters, these will be his own writing when he agrees with it, then someone else's writing when it gets attention, and finally ghostwritten with no prior knowledge of his when the sh*t hits the fan...

      But of course, we are all supposed to believe that he is not just another politician, and he is somehow fantastic and different.
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    4. Re:lolwut by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> Who is actually answering these questions here?

      It's Ru Paul, and the answers are fabulous.

    5. Re:lolwut by numbsafari · · Score: 1

      Well said...

      I missed the story asking him questions. I actually think the list of questions answered was pretty lame given that the summary says there was a large response.

      I would love to hear Ron talk about what sorts of compromises he would be willing to make in order to get legislation done. Too many "libertarians" act like the presidency is a kingship (yes yes... even though their supposed political "morals" would indicate otherwise). That's why I can't vote for libertarians any more.

    6. Re:lolwut by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Many years ago, on a certain presidential campaign (which one is not important; he didn't win), if you got a "personal" answer to your letter addressed to the candidate, chances are that I wrote it and "signed" his name with a machine that scrawled "his" signature with a felt-tip pen. I worked on a state-wide campaign, and our candidate actually had to hand-sign all the letters he wrote. Could you post some more info about that machine? If I ever work on a major political campaign again, I want to know where to get one to save my candidate's time.

      Plus, I admit that I just want to track down pictures of the machine because it sounds like it has to look really cool.
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    7. Re:lolwut by Emrys · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course, the thing with Ron Paul is that given how consistent he has been over the years, pretty much anyone who has followed him can answer questions for him without fear of getting it wrong.

      For what it's worth I work with the grassroots campaign here in TX and saw these answers before they were published, I'm pretty busy but will try to stay around this thread and help clarify things if needed.

    8. Re:lolwut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    9. Re:lolwut by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      You really can't expect a presidential candidate to personally answer all requests or even all media requests.

      Like how we cant expect the congressmen to actually READ and UNDERSTAND the bills they are voting into law?

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    10. Re:lolwut by initialE · · Score: 1

      You really can't expect a presidential candidate to personally answer all requests or even all media requests. That task alone takes at least 100 hours per day, which means you need to have a number of people doing it. I expect there to be at least a set of guidelines for you to follow when you do represent your candidate, as to what the answers should be. And there should be an avenue by which you can check with your candidate for the questions that the guidelines do not cover. What you say represents his stance. Otherwise why would anyone bother reading the replies?
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    11. Re:lolwut by mattwarden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Many years ago, on a certain presidential campaign (which one is not important; he didn't win), if you got a "personal" answer to your letter addressed to the candidate, chances are that I wrote it and "signed" his name with a machine that scrawled "his" signature with a felt-tip pen.

      Well, looking at how low your ID is, I'm guessing it was William Jennings Bryan

    12. Re:lolwut by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Informative

      I may have stories to tell about our attempts to contact various campaigns as the general election gets closer.
      Notable related reading:
      http://www.amazon.com/Power-Game-How-Washington-Works/dp/0345410483/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202232934&sr=8-1 and, if you need tragi-comic relief:
      http://www.amazon.com/Parliament-Whores-Humorist-Attempts-Government/dp/0802139701/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202232989&sr=1-1
      Summary: government may not be the oldest profession, but it could be the oldest business.
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    13. Re:lolwut by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      What can you tell us about Ron Paul's team?
      He's been in office a long time-- do we have any knowledge of what his staff has been like?
      You do not succeed in congress that way voting down spending bills left and right without something happening right.

      --
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    14. Re:lolwut by MiniMike · · Score: 2, Funny

      I normally wouldn't put my vote anywhere near this guy (Ron), but a Ron Paul/Ru Paul ticket would be tough to turn down...

      (yes I realize the odds of this happening --> 0)

    15. Re:lolwut by The+Breeze · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are exceptions, of course. Ronald Reagan always insisted on viewing a small portion of his mail and answering it himself.

      Anyone who wants to learn how a President should think should read the Reagan Diaries. It's really a fascinating glimpse into a President's mind. Reagan seemed to enjoy calling people whose stories had touched him in someway and sometimes he noted, "they didn't believe it was me calling at first."

      Bloom County fans will enjoy reading about Reagan's call to Berkley Breathed. I paraphrase it below, but the profanity is actually Reagan's:

      "Called Bereley Breathed, author of the comic strip Bloom County. He sounded apprehensive at first - I'm very sure he thought I was calling to bitch at him - but I just wanted to thank him for drawing a lovely picture of Nancy in his latest strip. He was nice and told me he would send me the original."

      Love him or hate him, reading the Reagan diaries will reveal that this was a man who was very, very much concerned with the "big picture" yet made quite an effort to stay in contact with the "average guy in the street". It is clear that he felt talking with normal, everyday Americans kept him grounded.

    16. Re:lolwut by dan+the+person · · Score: 1

      Many years ago, on a certain presidential campaign (which one is not important; he didn't win), if you got a "personal" answer to your letter addressed to the candidate, chances are that I wrote it and "signed" his name with a machine that scrawled "his" signature with a felt-tip pen.

      You really can't expect a presidential candidate to personally answer all requests or even all media requests.


      You can however, expect that when someone from his team is answering on his behalf, they indicate that they are doing so, and do not engage in deception to make it appear a personal response was received.

    17. Re:lolwut by Will+the+Chill · · Score: 1

      Howdy Emrys,

      I did the "string pulling" to get these answers posted for Super Tuesday. I would like to talk with you offline about the campaign. Please e-mail me via "willthechill AT hushmail DOT com" at your earliest convenience.

      Thanks!
      -Will

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    18. Re:lolwut by rbenech · · Score: 1
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    19. Re:lolwut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at his voting record. That is all that matters. It speaks for itself. And it says, yes, he is different.

    20. Re:lolwut by Xyrus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Back in the cave, troll.

      Ron Paul wasn't even in congress when those newsletters were written. He had gone back to his practice in Texas. Those letters WERE written by a ghostwriter, and have been widely discredited. When Ron Paul finally saw what was going on, he fired the people responsible. He has admitted that it was his fault the letters were published without appropriate oversight.

      I'm also pretty sure Ron Paul wouldn't be endorsed by the NAACP if they thought those letters contained even a hint of truth.

      If you're looking for modern bigotry, try McCain. He had some lovely things to say about people from the Middle East, including some things he said at the South Carolina debate.

      ~X~

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    21. Re:lolwut by HellYeahAutomaton · · Score: 1

      Funny how few people hearing about the newsletters are actually influenced by them, and even funnier
      that you've never heard of any minority organizations openly shun or denounce him. You'd think in the many terms
      in Congress someone like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would have brought him into their radar for their
      own agendas by now.

      The net effect is that you have some very spiteful anti-Paul Caucasians attempting to be somewhat sensational and shocking to dissuade voters. So, nuff said about the newsletters, mmmkay?

    22. Re:lolwut by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      I'm also pretty sure Ron Paul wouldn't be endorsed by the NAACP if they thought those letters contained even a hint of truth. I was not able to find any evidence that the NAACP has endorsed Ron Paul as its presidential candidate of choice.

      Care to cite that?
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    23. Re:lolwut by Emrys · · Score: 1

      email sent

    24. Re:lolwut by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      So, nuff said about the newsletters, mmmkay? I love how that's the answer any time anyone dares to ask about the newsletters.

      Maybe people would quit asking if Ron Paul came forward and answered:
      1) Who wrote the articles in question.
      2) Why Paul permitted their publication in his name.
      3) Ron Paul's position on the content of the articles.
      4) What was done about the situation.

      Why is that so hard? You'd think he'd want to set the record straight and put the whole mess behind him. But instead, we get, "Don't bring up something that happened decades ago. Don't ask who wrote them. Don't investigate them." etc.

      Well, that attitude is just inviting speculation and more questions.
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    25. Re:lolwut by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1
      If you're looking for modern bigotry, try McCain. He had some lovely things to say about people from the Middle East, including some things he said at the South Carolina debate.

      And lets not forget his comment 8 years ago during his campaign where he said: "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

      But of course, that gets a pass - because...?

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    26. Re:lolwut by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

      If you watched the debates you've already heard him answer that question. When asked he has repeatedly stated that he would have to work with congress to accomplish his goals, that the president doesn't have unilateral power to do whatever he wants. I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of some Libertarians, but they're certainly not the only ones. Heh, we need look no further than the one currently seated on the "throne" to see that.

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    27. Re:lolwut by HellYeahAutomaton · · Score: 1

      If you want the answer so badly, get off your butt and do the investigative journalism yourself. The reality of it is, you don't really want the answers enough to do anything about it. This isn't a hard problem; everyone who cites the newsletters never has credibility or does proper sourcing of their trolling claims. He has given an answer that you don't believe is good enough for you. I'm not telling you or anyone else to not seek the truth; by all means go for it and come back with some credibility.

    28. Re:lolwut by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      If you want the answer so badly, get off your butt and do the investigative journalism yourself. He is the one seeking my vote. If he wants me to vote for him, he can answer the questions.
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    29. Re:lolwut by fast+penguin · · Score: 1

      The only interview I saw on that was this one. Maybe it clarifies some of your points.

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    30. Re:lolwut by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      What if Congress isn't interested in his goals?

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    31. Re:lolwut by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      Because he was tortured by them for years?

      He's a human being. Even God killed Judas.

    32. Re:lolwut by Yunzil · · Score: 1

      When Ron Paul finally saw what was going on, he fired the people responsible.

      The subscription manager for the newsletter (Jean McIver) is now the Texas field director for Ron's presidential campaign.

    33. Re:lolwut by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

      Then he'll have to work harder to convince them, and he'll have to work to convince america of them, so that in two years they can elect a congress that IS interested in his goals. At least the ones the people want to see too.

      Even if he accomplishes nothing positively, at least we can be sure he won't allow things to get worse. The veto pen and the power to grant pardons will ensure that.

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    34. Re:lolwut by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

      Really? He was tortured by all asian people?

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    35. Re:lolwut by xhrit · · Score: 1

      i prefer 'fear and loathing on the campaign trail'.

    36. Re:lolwut by mrbluze · · Score: 2

      Of course, the thing with Ron Paul is that given how consistent he has been over the years, pretty much anyone who has followed him can answer questions for him without fear of getting it wrong. Generic Pre-Election Debate:

      Question: What is 1+1?

      Candidate A: 3... 4.. no wait.. 5!

      Candidate B: 3.
      Questioner: Are you sure?
      Candidate B: Yes, 3.
      Questioner: Really sure?
      Candidate B: Yep. It's 3.

      Candidate C: 1+1=2.
      Questioner: Tell me sir, about electability *chuckle* do you have any?
      Audience: Canned Laughter

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    37. Re:lolwut by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Those letters WERE written by a ghostwriter, and have been widely discredited.

      How is them being written by a ghostwriter any excuse? A ghostwriter is somebody employed to write things on your behalf. How is using a ghostwriter a defense against charges of racism?

      As for them being discredited, what do you mean by that? Do you mean they weren't real? I've never seen anybody claim that Ron Paul's newsletter was a forgery or didn't exist.

      When Ron Paul finally saw what was going on, he fired the people responsible.

      So, why did it take him so long to find out what was being said in his name, in his "own" newsletter?

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    38. Re:lolwut by repapetilto · · Score: 1

      if the odds of that are of a penis entering a vagina Id say thats pretty good odds

    39. Re:lolwut by localman · · Score: 1

      Then I guess my grandfather was better than god. He was whisked away to a secret Polish prison without trial and tormented for five years, and yet he doesn't hate Polish people. Or communists. Amazing what a little perspective will do.

      Cheers.

    40. Re:lolwut by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 1

      God didn't kill Judas. Judas was chosen by Jesus to betray him, telling him he would be hated for all generations, but someone had to do it.

      Read the Gospel of Judas if you want a "citation". It was re-discovered and translated in 2006, the Discovery Channel had a very interesting show on it.

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    41. Re:lolwut by Trahloc · · Score: 1

      Couple seconds of search brought this up: http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/comments/998 This is what they were talking about. Getting off your butt and typing a few things in a search and getting the response. Your 1 of ~303 million people in this country, neither you nor I deserve a personal letter from anyone explaining that they didn't do something. Even if their in a campaign to get your vote. Your on slashdot, you know how to formulate a search, don't pretend you have a higher moral ground when your really just being lazy. Now it is a blog and a comment to one no less, maybe its made up ... go search and double check it, please.

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    42. Re:lolwut by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      They were widely discredited because they were written by the ghostwriter, not Ron Paul. The ghostwriter (and friends), as it turns out, had an agenda against Ron Paul. The letters were written to discredit Paul.

      The letters were real and I never stated anything to the contrary. All I said is that their contents had been discredited. As in, Ron Paul's views are not contained in therein. The New Republic did actually have forgeries that were supposedly released letters, but they were not. However, the other letters did exist.

      As far as not noticing sooner, here's the deal. When Paul left congress to return to his practice, he left some people he thought he could trust in charge. I'm not sure if you know how much work goes into a Ob/gyn practice, but I can assure it consumes a lot of time and effort.

      He found out about what was happening by a third party. He was not receiving the letters. Since he had a full-time+ job, he wasn't exactly keeping tabs on everything that was happening. By the time he realized what was going on, there was little he could do.

      Later, it emerged that the people who had orchestrated this did so in effort to discredit Paul for personal gain. One of the people responsible was actually planning to run in Paul's congressional district and wanted to make sure he had plenty of ammo in case Paul wanted to get back into politics. The ploy failed miserably, since Paul was very well known in the area (one would hardly expect a crazed racist to deliver babies for free to poor mexican and african american families).

      Since that incident, the letters have been brought up occasionally and are quickly dismissed.

      The New Republic (thanks to submission by said ghostwriter and friends) once again brought up the letters. The president of the NAACP came out in defense of Ron Paul, as once again his actions in his personal life, medical practice, and political records clearly show he is anything but racist.

      You don't need to take my word for it though. You can research the timeline yourself and draw your own conclusions. But my guess is that if you have the support of the NAACP president, you're probably not a racist.

      ~X~

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    43. Re:lolwut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they're
      you're

    44. Re:lolwut by dangitman · · Score: 1

      He found out about what was happening by a third party. He was not receiving the letters.

      So, why wasn't he monitoring the newsletter? And why do you keep making excuses for Paul?

      The president of the NAACP came out in defense of Ron Paul, as once again his actions in his personal life, medical practice, and political records clearly show he is anything but racist.

      So, if he's not racist, then he's incompetent in running his affairs? That doesn't look very good either. Who wants an incompetent President who doesn't know what's going on around him?

      But my guess is that if you have the support of the NAACP president, you're probably not a racist.

      That "logic" doesn't make sense at all. The NAACP has many racist members.

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    45. Re:lolwut by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      >>But of course, we are all supposed to believe that he is not just another politician, and he is somehow fantastic and different.

      He is, on the other hand, still human. I think that seeing a candidates faults is more revealing than seeing his or her strengths. He is essentially a third-party candidate with virtually no chance of winning. He takes attention where he can get it, probably with every intention of using any elected power for good. I'm not going to pick political sides here, but I think we should all step back every now and then and view these candidates as people instead of talking heads. It's important to view them as flesh and blood with cousins and funny stories and bad moments and dry skin and teenage romances and successes and failures. Put yourself in their shoes once in a while, if for no other reason than to make the political system more real to yourself.

      -b

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    46. Re:lolwut by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

      But of course, we are all supposed to believe that he is not just another politician, and he is somehow fantastic and different. No. People like you that aren't capable of following his voting record or reading his actual speeches just rationalize whatever you want. We truly have the opportunity for "someone different" here, and your pessimism is preventing you from seeing that.

    47. Re:lolwut by LGagnon · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul wasn't even in congress when those newsletters were written. He had gone back to his practice in Texas.
      That doesn't change anything.

      Those letters WERE written by a ghostwriter, and have been widely discredited.
      No they haven't. Only Paul and his followers say they aren't his work. Nobody independent of his campaign has proven that he didn't write them.

      When Ron Paul finally saw what was going on, he fired the people responsible.
      Then why did they continue to get published after the first time it was pointed out to him?

      I'm also pretty sure Ron Paul wouldn't be endorsed by the NAACP if they thought those letters contained even a hint of truth.
      Actually, just one guy from the NAACP backs him. The fact that he holds a high position in a local chapter of it doesn't mean the whole organization backs him.
    48. Re:lolwut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has served congress for 20 years and has a damn good record for supporting personal liberty and being true to what he says. Thats different from EVERY other current presidential candidate. It's easy to accuse him of being a racist, but let me ask you, when has he ever done anything to substantiate that? I've noticed a lot of people like to casually throw this into a discussion in an attempt to smear him, so I'd like to suggest reading more about the issue here

    49. Re:lolwut by Brad+Eleven · · Score: 1
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    50. Re:lolwut by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      That's not an endorsement from the NAACP--that's an personal endorsement from the president of the Austin branch of the NAACP. That's not meaningless, but it's a very different thing.

    51. Re:lolwut by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      Ummm, no. First of all, your "hits" are quoting an NAACP chapter's president, who certainly would not be able to speak for NAACP as a whole.

      Secondly, those are not endorsements for Paul's presidential campaign. They are just saying some NAACP chapter president doesn't think Ron Paul is a racist. Big difference.

      Thirdly, I'm not sure NAACP could even endorse a presidential candidate, as they are a non-profit. Can non-profits make political endorsements? I'm not sure that they can.

      Kindly find me a link where the national NAACP Leadership Council endorses Ron Paul for President of the United States of America, or kindly refrain from making smart-assed comments.

      Thank you.

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    52. Re:lolwut by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'm not saying it's the best or most forgiving stance he could take. I'm just saying that he does, at least, have some understandable grounds for his prejudice. We're electing the president, not the pope.

      Apparently your grandfather is a more forgiving person in that regard than John McCain. Good for him.

    53. Re:lolwut by localman · · Score: 1

      I guess I'd like to have a president who can maintain that level of subtlety in the face of adversity.

      I recognize, with regret, that most Americans probably don't care about that.

      Cheers.

    54. Re:lolwut by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      I'm more concerned about whether he acts on it. He can have a personal hatred that he admit isn't completely rational, as long as he realizes that his duties override it. That's what I'm most looking for in a president - the ability to separate what is best for the country, and what his duties and limitations in his position are from what he personally wants.

      Not saying McCain will necessarily do that, but for me it overrides whether he is or is not completely impartial about this sort of thing.

      Not to mention that the quote "I still hate the gooks" doesn't necessarily mean that he is prejudiced against all Asians - that's drawing a bit more inference than he had to mean.

      Again, I'm not a huge McCain fan - I just think people draw a lot more from that comment than they need to.

    55. Re:lolwut by localman · · Score: 1

      That's what I'm most looking for in a president - the ability to separate what is best for the country, and what his duties and limitations in his position are from what he personally wants.

      Agreed 100% on that.

      You're probably right about drawing too much from the quote -- he's probably just referring to his captors. But using the word "gooks" is pretty stupid. "I hate the motherfuckers" would have been a lot better. By singling them out with a racial slur he's really showing some sloppy thinking or at least sloppy speaking. That kind of thing can really alienate people. By the way, my wife is Asian, so maybe I'm a little sensitive to it.

      In general, he just has a tendency to generalize a bit much for me. In the discussion about trading with middle eastern nations he made the "I don't want to trade with Al-Qaeda, they just want to trade Burkas" comment. Yeah, it's a joke. Ha ha. I know he doesn't really think all middle eastern people are part of Al-Qaeda. But, seriously: what the fuck is his problem? I want to elect a statesperson, not Andrew Dice Clay.

      Still, I'd rather have him than some of the other candidates. So I understand how one can overlook this in favor of him overall.

      Cheers.

    56. Re:lolwut by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul was not endorsed by the NAACP, he was endorsed by an Austin NAACP leader who is a huge crackpot. Big freaking difference.

      The rest of your post is similarly outright lies.

      By now, every serious Ron Paul supporter knows that the lie that these newsletters have been debunked has itself been authoritatively debunked. People have worked hard to prove that Ron wrote this stuff, and the orders inside the Ron Paul machine are to keep pretending it has been debunked, obnoxiously, repeatedly, because that will convince some people. Bill Clinton? George W Bush? Both are moral giants compared to such Ron Paul partners in racism and lies.

      Ron Paul indeed did write a bunch of racist crap. The author claimed Ron Paul's wife as his wife, Ron Paul's grandkids as his grandkids, and Ron Paul's congressional district as his constituents. Ron Paul paid tens of thousands of dollars out of his own pocket printing awful racist hate under the name "Ron Paul." The man is not fit to be spat upon. And the voters have rejected this piece of shit. I hope you gave him a lot of money. It's going to Mccain now that Ron Paul mist quit and fight an uphill battle to keep his seat in congress now that Galveston knows he is supported my an army of Neo Nazis, legalize-pot single issue voters, and 9/11 truther morons. Your money is better spent on the GOP convention than on more swastikas or weed.

      You'd have to be extremely tolerant of racism to tolerate Ron Paul. You'd have to be a bigoted fool to make up lies to protect a monster like Ron Paul.

      What is it with people like you? You have to know you're totally making this stuff up!

    57. Re:lolwut by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've been getting a real feeling from his campaign this year that he's trying a little hard for the witty one-liners.

      We've got "follow him to the gates of hell" right off the bat, as well as that "insult to drunken sailors" line. He feels a lot more pre-prepped and pre-packaged than I remember him seeming his last go around, and I don't like it. The optimistic part of me wants to think that he's sort of toeing the party line a little more to get himself elected, and then he'll go back to what he seemed to stand for. But that seems far too optimistic for me to actually vote based on it.

  4. Contradiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    His answer to question #3 contradicts his resolution in answer to question #2.

    1. Re:Contradiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Contradiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His answer to question #3 contradicts his resolution in answer to question #2.

      I don't know, "federal government should shut up and quit harassing states that pass laws allowing marijuana" was pretty straightforward.

    3. Re:Contradiction by Serenissima · · Score: 1
      How about Question #4?

      As president, I will seek a balance between the interest of copyright holders and consumers of digital media.
      Oh Really? Basically he's saying "I won't tell you how I'll seek a balance, but this answer is sufficiently vague enough so that I can do pretty much anything I want to do about it - which includes completely ignoring the issue!"
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    4. Re:Contradiction by kalirion · · Score: 1

      I don't know, "federal government should shut up and quit harassing states that pass laws allowing marijuana" was pretty straightforward.

      Yes, it was a pretty straightforward statement. It just didn't exactly answer the question of "Do you believe I belong in jail?" He should have just said "You belong in jail if your state laws say you do."

    5. Re:Contradiction by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      And, in fact, that's the usual Libertarian answer. It's up to states to work this crap out. And like all Libertarian answers, it's a non-answer.

      Try this argument on for size: Smokers (regardless of what they're smoking) should be fined or jailed like any other polluter. After all, their right to smoke, regardless of what they're smoking, stops at my atmosphere.

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  5. Exactly what I wanted to hear! by parcel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is a less than huge surprise, considering how leading most of those questions were!

    Seems like the libertarian version of a typical politician - light on details, light on commitment, and exactly what the audience was looking for.

    1. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by Noexit · · Score: 0, Troll

      You're saying Obama is a libertarian?

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    2. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by speighd · · Score: 1

      Well, Ron Paul was the 1988 Libertarian presidential candidate....

    4. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Seems like the libertarian version of a typical politician - light on details, light on commitment,

      I was a little disappointed with the answer to my question, the one about marijuana. I asked:

      what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?

      He answered:

      I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws.


      I already knew that he opposed such laws, but what would he actually do about it? How would he use his powers as president to effect such change? What specific orders would he give to the DEA and the justice department to ensure that no more people are victimized by these laws?

      There's another way in which he didn't really answer my question. He said he opposes federal marijuana laws, but marijuana is illegal in my state. Does he believe I should go to jail or not? From his answer, it sounds like he does.

      I lobbed him a softball and he fumbled.
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    5. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by AaronW · · Score: 1

      Not only that, he recommended against bubble sort! The video in the parent is good to watch and they also have another with Hillary.

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    6. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by AJWM · · Score: 1

      I lobbed him a softball and he fumbled.

      No, you lobbed him a trick question, which he addressed. He opposes federal laws against it. He supports the constitution. Federal interference in state law enforcement (except where those state laws are clearly unconstitutional -- and sorry, I don't see how a state law against marijuana would be) is unconstitutional. What did you expect, that he'd promise to send in federal troops to liberate marijuana users from state prisons?

      At least you'd have the opportunity to move to a state where there wasn't a marijuana prohibition.

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    7. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by parcel · · Score: 1

      I was a little disappointed with the answer to my question, the one about marijuana. Yours was the only question I really liked. It was still a leading question, but leading towards what would be a largely unpopular response, had he answered more in line with the libertarian philosophy.
    8. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're saying Obama is a libertarian?
      No, he's a niggertarian.
    9. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by Mingco · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seems like the libertarian version of a typical politician - light on details, light on commitment,

      I was a little disappointed with the answer to my question, the one about marijuana. I asked:

      what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?

      He answered:

      I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws.


      I already knew that he opposed such laws, but what would he actually do about it? How would he use his powers as president to effect such change? What specific orders would he give to the DEA and the justice department to ensure that no more people are victimized by these laws?

      There's another way in which he didn't really answer my question. He said he opposes federal marijuana laws, but marijuana is illegal in my state. Does he believe I should go to jail or not? From his answer, it sounds like he does.

      I lobbed him a softball and he fumbled. He is running for Federal office. The only laws he can affect are ones on the Federal level. If you want your state laws to change, you would need to vote for someone with similar views on the state level. That might be easier to do once someone like Ron Paul is president. He is running for President of the United States, not Dictator of the United States. If you believe the President should have dictatorial powers over the States, then you should vote for a third term of George W. Bush. Oh, that's not legal, you say? Well, neither is a president's power to overturn States' laws. Supreme Court has that power, not the President.
    10. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Then he should say so. An acceptable answer would be "No, I think any individual being imprisoned for non-violent drug offenses is an injustice, but as president my power to address those injustices would be limited."

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    11. Re:Exactly what I wanted to hear! by Mingco · · Score: 1

      Then he should say so. An acceptable answer would be "No, I think any individual being imprisoned for non-violent drug offenses is an injustice, but as president my power to address those injustices would be limited." Since that is an acceptable conclusion to his original statement, I believe that he did answer the question. His answer was broad, but included your precise answer above as a subset.
  6. Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're so dreary, they claim he's a "nut" but then don't really name any specifics. "Oooh, Ron Paul is a nut! He'll, umm, get rid of federal reserve 3 days after he's sworn in!!!". Nonsense.

    1. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about the "Ron Paul stands just about as much chance of being elected as you do" posts? It doesn't really matter if the person reading is 15, an atheist, Chinese, or a member of Al Qaeda; the statement is still accurate.

      The best thing about Ron Paul this year is how he can be the ultimate form of humiliation. Pundits and pollsters were all over Rudy "9/11" Giuliani before the primaries started. Some of them were practically writing his victory speeches before the first vote had been cast. Then people started voting and he got less votes than even Ron Paul.

      As far as the "nut" complaint, just Google "Gold Standard". He's also protectionist as hell. He also stands behind a lot of things that Slashdotters find acceptable that are political suicide in America today (legalize drugs, gay marrage is ok, privatize Social Security). It's one thing to be against "wasteful government spending", but when it ends up involving people dying on the street (social programs), it's a lot harder to stomach. From a purely economic point of view it is probably better to let the mentally ill and unemployable just die on the street instead of subsidizing them for the rest of their life, but that's not what most people consider acceptable for the first world.

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    2. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by jcr · · Score: 1

      He's also protectionist as hell.

      That's a rather blatant lie. Paul has consistently supported free trade (even with Cuba). This is why he's opposed to organizations like the GTO and treaties like NAFTA, which extensively regulate international trade.

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    3. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Kintar1900 · · Score: 1

      From a purely economic point of view it is probably better to let the mentally ill and unemployable just die on the street instead of subsidizing them for the rest of their life, but that's not what most people consider acceptable for the first world.

      And just for the sake of some actual debate in this thread, rather than just RP Bashing/RP Loving, I'm going to go OT and troll in the same post. *grin* I wonder why that's not acceptable for America? Logically, if we're completely free-market capitalist, doesn't it make sense that people who can't pull their weight should either be supported by their families or allowed to die?

    4. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3, Funny
      I thought you were going to say probably better to let the mentally ill and unemployable just die on the street instead of Voting for them!

      which is how a lot of us in Europe think America is run today!

      If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck - them Dont *%$& vote for it!

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    5. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but could you explain how Ron Paul's opposition to NAFTA (including his rants about the "NAFTA Superhighway" and conspiracy theories of a North American Union) reflect support of free trade?

      i.e. Give us more details about how NAFTA is actually anti-free trade, especially in comparison to what existed before.

      For bonus points, please defend his hand-wringing about a North American Union as somehow substantiated and how it does not play primarily to an audience that fears free trade with Mexico and Canada.

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    6. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by JavaLord · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As far as the "nut" complaint, just Google "Gold Standard".

      What exactly is nuts about the gold standard? The fact that the founders supported it, or the fact that we had it up until 1971? Is the gold standard any more 'nuts' than the Petrodollar? If anything the petrodollar is nuts!

      He's also protectionist as hell.

      Are you kidding? You might as well call him pro war too. I'm not sure if you're unaware of his position, or purposefully misstating it. Paul wants to open up trade with EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, including countries we currently do NOT trade with such as Cuba and Iran. His view is that we shouldn't punish the citizens of Cuba and Iran because we dislike their governments, and that OUR government shouldn't tell us who we can trade with.

      Yes, Ron Paul opposes things like NAFTA and CAFTA, but really those are controlled trade, not free trade.

      He also stands behind a lot of things that Slashdotters find acceptable that are political suicide in America today (legalize drugs, gay marrage is ok,

      His view on both is that the federal government SHOULDN'T be involved, so no he wouldn't be legalizing drugs, or gay marriage. He simply wouldn't be making them illegal on the federal level either, so your state would be left to decide.

      How is letting the states decide political suicide?

      Should we go on pretending that Alabama has the same culture as Vermont, and have the citizens of both States fighting politically to pass laws to force each other to live by their moral code? Or should we just let the states decide?

      privatize Social Security).

      Ron Paul would keep all current social security benefits the same as they are now, and wants to make it so the government doesn't tax social security checks like they currently do. You're spreading FUD. Ron Paul does want to let young people 'opt out' of social security if they want.

      It's one thing to be against "wasteful government spending", but when it ends up involving people dying on the street (social programs), it's a lot harder to stomach. From a purely economic point of view it is probably better to let the mentally ill and unemployable just die on the street instead of subsidizing them for the rest of their life, but that's not what most people consider acceptable for the first world.

      Look at the FUD monster! Jesus, Paul has said multiple times that he would NOT end benefits for people who are currently on them, and the main way he plans to slash our national budget is to end our current foreign policy. Nobody would be starving on the streets, in fact Seniors would have MORE MONEY than they do now since Paul would get rid of the ridiculous tax on social security checks.

    7. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by jcr · · Score: 1

      Do believe that NAFTA is a free trade agreement?

      Free trade is just that: trade between private parties in different countries without government interference. Ideally with no tariffs at all, not a patchwork of tariffs to reward some players and punish others according to who can best lobby the congress and the bureaucrats.

      -jcr

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    8. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I didn't know whether I should post this to you or to the responder Valdrax, who also made important points, but it should apply to both.

      Here's my attempt to untangle the issue:

      1) Ron Paul supports 100% free trade.
      2) NAFTA and WTO are not 100% free trade.
      3) NAFTA and WTO are attempts to work, imperfectly, toward free trade.
      4) Ron Paul, to my consternation, does not see the changes introduced toward free trade by NAFTA and WTO, as good enough to outweigh their pro-governmental aspects (which apparently include ceding sovereignty to international organizations and some other more esoteric reasons).
      5) In my opinion, opposing NAFTA and WTO, given all they've done to bring about free trade, is very questionable if you support free trade, amounting to "anything that doesn't give me everything I want is bad".
      6) Ron Paul's nuanced position allows him to say, basically, "Hey, protectionists, vote for me! NAFTA sucks [because its not free-trade-ish *enough*]!"
      7) Disclaimer: I support and organize for Ron Paul despite all of the above.

    9. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by WATYF · · Score: 1

      Go read his wikipedia page. He's not trying to return the Gold Standard. And people were not dying in the streets before social security. Not to mention the fact that he has repeatedly stated that all social programs would be continued for as long as needed for those who had been taught that they need to rely on the gov't for their retirement planning. Before the gov't took over and screwed everything up (social security/medicare/medicaid WILL be bankrupt in a few decades: http://youtube.com/watch?v=OS2fI2p9iVs) the private sector and charities took care of the needy and did a much better job of it.

      WATYF

    10. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'll bite.

      First, the NAFTA superhighway does not need scare quotes. I know everyone wants to pretend it doesn't exist because it's not happening in their backyard but I guarantee you that it is quite real. Those of us in Texas are on the front lines trying to prevent thousands of acres of private land from being seized by the government for this project. The people standing to lose homes that have been in their families for generations would have a lot to say to you about your attitude towards this issue. The NAU is not a conspiracy theory anymore than the European Union is. If you think there aren't people who think this is a good idea you're not paying attention.

      As for NAFTA, it was not free trade. It's what they called it. Much like the PATRIOT act, and other similar legislation the actual work it did had nothing whatsoever to do with its title. NAFTA was a Mercantilist measure. Further, nobody - including Ron - said that what Ron wanted was what we had in relation to those countries pre-NAFTA. What Ron is after is something greater. Actual, true, free trade with everyone. Free trade defined as openly allowing the trade of goods and services without preference.

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    11. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1
      As far as the "nut" complaint, just Google "Gold Standard".

      Just because you don't understand it, and clearly have made no effort to understand it, doesn't mean it is crazy.

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    12. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by jandrese · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh geez, someone has been drinking the Gold Standard Kool-Aid. Do you know why we got away from the gold standard? Because it was one of the major causes of the Great Depression. It is also far less flexible than the monetary systems we use today such that an attempt to go back to it would cause a major deflation in the currency while skyrocketing the value of gold. Oh, and guess who has a lot of holding in gold? You guessed it, Ron Paul. The Wikipedia article alone has some rather compelling reasons why return to the Gold Standard is a bad idea.

      He keeps saying he's for free trade, but whenever a vote comes up he votes protectionist.

      States rights is a familiar dodge for people who rooted for the South in the Civil war but don't want to give the appearance of being pro-slavery. In here it appears to be a way to dodge for uncomfortable social issues that, while probably correct in the long term, are politically unpopular today.

      Like most Libertarians, Ron Paul would much prefer getting rid of the socialized support systems we currently have, believing that people would be better off just saving on their own instead of having the government do it. In general, that is probably true, however if people were good at that we wouldn't have needed those systems in the first palace. Once he starts cutting the funds for those systems it is inevitable that more people will fall through the gaps. There is the promise that everybody currently on it will continue getting their support, but if the money is not there then there is no way to keep that promise.

      For an extensive rundown of where Ron Paul stands on the issues, visit On The Issues. This is actually a good place to visit for all of the candidates.

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    13. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't incorrect. It's just the scale that would change.

      Of course I don't think such a large number of people would voluntarily die for the purity of Libertarian ideology. I think the likely result would be an drastic increase in crime. The problem is that Libertarians want to create an artificial bubble where violence is off the table, without accepting that violence is never off the table. They also typically subscribe to an anachronistic school of economic thinking that discourages empiricism, making themselves even less attached to reality than the neoclassical economists that are affixed to assumptions stemming from obsolete physics.

    14. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's one thing to be against "wasteful government spending", but when it ends up involving people dying on the street (social programs), it's a lot harder to stomach. It is silly to assume that drastically reducing welfare and social programs would involve people dying on the street. I think you would be surprised how many people would be helped by removing their dependency on the government. Welfare encourages behavior that only increases the need for more welfare. It is a basic principal of human nature.

      People need to help people and instead of government doing it, government should get out of the way, let people have more of their money and than we as a society can help the less fortunate instead of giving it to bureaucrats that only become gate keepers and middlemen that siphon away money when it could be much more effectively done by local charities and other groups.

    15. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As for NAFTA, it was not free trade

      I remember Ross Perot's proposal of simple reciprocity: any trading partner would get the very same terms for their exports to the USA that American exports got to their country. That went over like a lead balloon in DC.

      -jcr

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    16. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by runderwo · · Score: 1

      NAFTA has not brought about free trade. NAFTA has brought about the export of our industries and jobs because of our regulatory environment. It makes no sense to manufacture here anymore because other countries aren't subject to the same worker protection laws and business regulations. That is why the NAFTA/CAFTA approach is wrong. It results in an export of capital and labor from the U.S. because the agreements do not force the players to play by the same rules on an even field.

    17. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by chuck · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul does not support returning to the gold standard. He supports your freedom to use gold as an alternative currency without being taxed or going to jail.

    18. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Interesting post. I wanted to comment on one particular item:

      His view on both is that the federal government SHOULDN'T be involved, so no he wouldn't be legalizing drugs, or gay marriage. He simply wouldn't be making them illegal on the federal level either, so your state would be left to decide. I agree with the ideology that less government is better, but in practical terms there are some challenges to what you said. Gay marriage is an easy one; if it's legal in, say, Vermont, and you are gay and married there, and then travel through another state where it is not, are you no longer married until you return to Vermont? Currently, all states recognize marriages performed in all other states. It would probably require federal intervention to maintain this policy. In a state where gay marriage is legal, your gay spouse would be able to approve medical treatment for you in the event of an emergency and you are incapacitated. On your trip to a state where gay marriage is not legal, they would not have the legal power to do so.

      Legalization of drugs is in a similar situation. If pot is legal in California and Utah, what happens when you drive through Nevada and are caught with a Nevada state felony possession?

      Gun laws are currently in this dilemma, and it's extremely hard to even realize when you're doing something illegal when you go from one state to another. For example, concealed carry reciprocity between states is very fragmented (http://www.ccrkba.org/reciprocity.html)
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    19. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice attempt at a strawman.

      1. elect ron paul and have people dying on the street.

      2. don't elect him, and people live.

      which is rubbish. ron paul is against nationalized help, not against state help. states would have a lot more money to help themselves if their constituents were sending the states 25% instead of the federal government.

      Here in Texas, in the absence of any federal programs, we'd have our own. (in fact we already have our own, but it could be greatly expanded with additional funds) And we'd pay for it ourselves. And it wouldn't be that much of a burden seeing how people would switch from paying cash to the federal government, to paying cash to our state government. We could afford it quite easily, and it would be our decision.

      p.s. people are already dying on the street. people are already not getting the best education they can.

      it's not a failure of both democrats and republicans, because these issues can't be solved top down. Though I don't agree with Giuliani's policies, he's a perfect example of someone solving problems at the local level. Maybe New York needed a Guliani. His plans would fail at a national level though.

    20. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by JavaLord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh geez, someone has been drinking the Gold Standard Kool-Aid.

      Man, I love it when people make original insults like 'drinking the kool-aid!' rather than debating the subject at hand. I usually know there is a lot of bunk coming afterwards.

      Do you know why we got away from the gold standard? Because it was one of the major causes of the Great Depression.

      Umm, no. The gold standard might have made it harder to handle the great depression (because the government couldn't inflate their way out of it), but it certainly didn't cause the great depression. Wikipedia lists several causes, but really the federal reserve, created in 1913, inflated the money supply, leading to looser lending standards. From Wikipedia:

      Americans consumers and businesses relied on cheap credit, the former to purchase consumer goods such as automobiles and furniture and the later for capital investment to increase production. This fueled strong short-term growth but created consumer and commercial debt. People and businesses who were deeply in debt when price deflation occurred or demand for their product decreased often risked default. Many drastically cut current spending to keep up time payments, thus lowering demand for new products. Businesses began to fail as construction work and factory orders plunged. Massive layoffs occurred, resulting in unemployment rates of over 25%. Banks which had financed a lot of this debt began to fail as debtors defaulted on debt and bank depositors became worried about their deposits and began massive withdrawals.

      The Austrian school of economics, which Paul subscribes to, predicted this would happen prior to the crash.. Ron Paul was saying there would be a recession or worse back during the first debates when everyone was talking about the strength of the Bush economy. Once again, the Austrian school is ahead of the curve. It's not that hard to predict really. In the 1920's you had a housing boom with easy to obtain credit which lead people and businesses to spend beyond their means. We've had the same thing in the 1990's through today, with the small recession around 9/11 which Greenspan inflated his way out of, which just ended up causing a larger bubble.

      It is also far less flexible than the monetary systems we use today such that an attempt to go back to it would cause a major deflation in the currency while skyrocketing the value of gold

      Ron Paul doesn't want to go back to the gold standard, but he does want to create a new currency backed by gold, so you could hold your 'dollars' in whichever currency you prefer. So once again, you are misstating his position.

      . Oh, and guess who has a lot of holding in gold? You guessed it, Ron Paul. The Wikipedia article alone has some rather compelling reasons why return to the Gold Standard is a bad idea.

      Yeah, and if he were elected, and he created a gold backed currency the price of gold would likely DROP. The only reason gold is priced so high since 9/11 is because of our irrational fiscal and foreign policies. Gold is a hedge vs inflation, so implementing a rational fiscal policy would actually hurt gold's value.

      He keeps saying he's for free trade, but whenever a vote comes up he votes protectionist.

      Once again, you are mindlessly smearing the man, based on something you probably read from one website. If someone votes against NAFTA and CAFTA but says 'we should trade with no restrictions with every nation on earth' they are not a protectionist.

      States rights is a familiar dodge for people who rooted for the South in the Civil war but don't want to give the appearance of being pro-slavery. In here it appears to be a way to dodge for uncomfortable social issues

    21. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      He wants to create competing currencies using "the gold standard", which is a pretty decent idea. Trying to outright replace a fiat currency would be devastating on a global scale and he is well aware of that fact.

      He is not protectionist either. If you would read his website instead of parroting what the media tells you, you'll see it is quite the opposite.

      As far as social programs, he is fully aware of how many people have become dependent on the system. Again, read his website. The favors phasing out the social programs over time in favor of state or private programs. It is not and should not be the role of the federal government to determine how people are taken care of, as you end up with a huge sub-optimal mess. One needs to look no further than the ballooning social security and Medicare/Medicaid programs to see that our country will be bankrupt in the near future trying to keep them afloat.

      But don't take my word for it. Go to the government accountability office's website and look up David Walker (the comptroller). Take a look at the financial forecasts based on our current rate of spending. The social programs by themselves have the potential to bankrupt our country in a couple of decades.

      Right now, the social programs in the US budget make up the bulk of spending. This is closely followed by defense spending. If you combine defense and social programs, you ALREADY EXCEED THE REVENUE by a good margin. So what do you cut?

      By keeping troop levels the same and just pulling them home, you can save about a half trillion dollars or more. That's a pretty good start. McCain is hot and heavy about pork, but that makes up about 1 or 2 percent of the spending. Good to cut, and one of the few things Paul agrees with him on. After that, you have to start hunting around for cuts. The social programs like Social security would need about 30 years to 40 years to phase out.

      Ron Paul isn't going to throw people out on the street. Some of his ideas will take decades to develop. But at least he is trying unlike other candidates who just want to give you more of the same.

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    22. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by exi1ed0ne · · Score: 1

      Do you know why we got away from the gold standard? Because it was one of the major causes of the Great Depression.
      ??? There are many downsides to re-implementing the gold standard, but *causing* the Great Depression isn't one of them. That can be laid at the feet of several key items, not least of which was the third national bank of the US - The Federal Reserve.
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    23. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by alexgieg · · Score: 1

      Do you know why we got away from the gold standard? Because it was one of the major causes of the Great Depression.
      This makes no sense. Gold was the standard for, what, 10 thousand years? Why weren't "great depressions" a regular outcome then? Actually, the cause of the 1929 depression was Wilson's government granting loans at subsidized rates. That caused people to invest money on companies that seemed profitable, because their profit rate was above the fictional loan rate. The moment such subside wasn't sustainable anymore and had to stop, millions of people noticed that what they had in hands were in fact shares of profitless, bankrupt companies. The result is history.

      It is also far less flexible than the monetary systems we use today such that an attempt to go back to it would cause a major deflation in the currency while skyrocketing the value of gold.
      Not true. One argument against the gold standard is that it is in fact no more rigid than the current fiat money. In the end of the Roman Empire, for example, they created a bubble by issuing "new money" much like the FED does nowadays, but did so in ways compatible with a gold currency: by merging silver and other less valuable metals in coins, causing the number of coins to increase. Result: inflation (more coins in economy, but same amount of goods and services, means more coins to purchase the same goods and services) and recession.

      In any case, it was less flexible than fiat money today is, and that's why you see in history a much less chaotic economy than what we've witnessed in 20th century. Flexibility is a problem, not a solution. It allows government to cause economy to move faster than it naturally could for a while, what is good for those living the expansion, but once the accelerated speed cannot be sustained anymore it comes the required slowdown, until equilibrium is reached again, what's horrible to those who experience it (and who are, usually, the same people who experienced the increase). A gold standard, allowing for less manipulation, blocks the accelerated development, but it also blocks the speed decrease. The end result is the same development, but under a linear and, thus, less exciting but also less painful, growth rate.

      Not that the gold standard will come back. It won't. Politicians love the power fiat money gives them. If people have to endure an unending sequence of bubble/bursts cycles in consequence, why would they care? They stay in office for 4 or 8 years, which is usually less than what a full cycle takes. Thinking on the long term is not necessary. So they don't.
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    24. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you know why we got away from the gold standard? Because it was one of the major causes of the Great Depression. Wow! In all my years on the Internet I've never seen anybody make such an ass of themselves. You have it EXACTLY BACKWARDS. The Great Depression was as bad as it was because the Federal Reserve inflated the currency in the 20's, and then deflated the currency in the 30's. Flexibility of a monetary system is good like flexibility of an I-beam is good.

      Ron Paul votes against free trade laws because no law is necessary for free trade -- for free trade you need to *get rid* of protectionist laws. "Free trade" laws like NAFTA or CAFTA go on and on for pages when only one sentence is needed: "Congress shall pass no law respecting trade between nations."

      Anything else stupid you have to say? Please, by all means, continue tarnishing your reputation.
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    25. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Wow. I think you'd better go look up the Great Depression.

      This only confirms my suspicion that Ron Paul and his lunatic supporters are possibly the most demented, dangerous people in America.

      I suspect in Ron Paul's America, the Depression would have probably lasted decades, Europe and Asia would have been controlled by two or three fascist empires, and the US would be dangling by a string, at the whim of the heirs of Hitler and Tojo.

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    26. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by segfault_0 · · Score: 1

      Your idea of the gold standard being a "major" cause of the depression is silly, the economy was horrible on 1000 different levels from stock market activities to trade issues to poor wages being earned by large segments of the population. To say that Ron Paul is suggesting the gold standard cause he holds gold... talk about drinking kool-aid. Im sure many people who despise the gold standard hold plenty of gold in their portfolios. The fact is at the end of the day the money system has major problems and Ron Paul is the only candidate addressing them at all, even if you dont like his solution to the problem. The sad truth is that 99.9999% of people dont care that we carry an insurmountable deficit and live our lives on credit that can be called in at any time - talk about a depression, we are setting ourselves up for one as we speak. Thank god theres one person running for office that isnt afraid to talk about it.

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    27. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1
      Do you know why we got away from the gold standard?

      Yes, I do. We went off the gold standard because the gold standard makes it harder to rob the populace.

      Because it was one of the major causes of the Great Depression.

      Bzzzzt! Thank you for playing.

      The major causes of the great depression had nothing whatsoever to do with the use of Gold. This is a complex issue and more than I care to go into in depth in this forum. There's plenty of information on this out there if you want to do the research. Suffice to say what would've been a minor market problem was turned into a huge fiasco because we had two presidents (hoover and FDR) who thought the best way to solve problems in our economy was by sticking their noses into it.

      Instead, they caused massive problems. Want to know how we got out of the great depression? FDR stopped the majority of his programs that were supposed to fix it. That's how we got out of it.

      You can't ask what caused the great depression as if the whole thing, its depth, its width, and its initial triggers were all due to some magical cause. Your allegation isn't even close to accurate, and clearly demonstrates you are way out of your depth in even commenting on this issue. Perhaps before you pollute the forum with more of your "wisdom" you should make an effort to go beyond wikipedia and your fourth grade history education.

      It is also far less flexible than the monetary systems we use today such that an attempt to go back to it would cause a major deflation in the currency while skyrocketing the value of gold.

      Yes, there would be deflation - gee I wonder why. Oh yeah, because the government has inflated our current fiat currency till it's almost worthless. So yes, there is going to need to be some adjustment. If you don't like it, fine, keep using your paper money. Nobody (even Ron) is saying you can't. All we're saying is let those of us who would rather have a hard currency that government isn't constantly undermining for managing our trades.

      Oh, and guess who has a lot of holding in gold? You guessed it, Ron Paul.

      Yes, I'm sure that's why too. It's all an elaborate scheme to pump and dump his gold stock right? It couldn't possibly be that he believes what he says and as such invests in something he believes has value.

      The Wikipedia article alone has some rather compelling reasons why return to the Gold Standard is a bad idea.

      Heaven knows, if you want accurate information on something wikipedia is the place to go.

      He keeps saying he's for free trade, but whenever a vote comes up he votes protectionist.

      See, I don't think you even understand what protectionism is, and I think you suffer from a belief that any vote against neo-mercantilism is somehow protectionist in and of itself. It's not like there are a plethroa of bills going through the congress to remove trade restrictions.

      States rights is a familiar dodge for people who rooted for the South in the Civil war but don't want to give the appearance of being pro-slavery. In here it appears to be a way to dodge for uncomfortable social issues that, while probably correct in the long term, are politically unpopular today.

      You once again display your ignorance. I'm sure some people are so simple-minded and historically that painting them with the "pro-slavery" brush for being in support of states rights will fly, but not with anyone who has ever bothered to get a decent education on the issue.

      States rights were also being employed to defend slaves from the reprehensible fugitive slave acts, as well as federal government encroachments on state liberty in regards to trade, conscription and other issues in the pre-civil-war era. Being in favor of recognizing the state sovereignty outlined in the 10th amendment and their right to tell the federal government to pound sand is not inherently racist any more than being in favor of centralized governme

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    28. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by orclevegam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Slightly OT, but what is with the fascination with gold? I mean, it has value in manufacturing of electronics, and makes an average metal for jewelry, but aside from that I find it to be entirely over-valued. I always want to smack the hell out of economists that take about using things with "intrinsic" value for currency, and then list gold and jewels as examples. Being pretty does not add "intrinsic" value. If you want something with intrinsic value, how about a loaf of bread, or a gallon of gas. At least with the gas it has a fairly well defined energy output that can be used to perform work.

      The thing they all overlook is that gold just like the dollar only has value because we all agree that is has value. Since the only value of currency is what we agree to give to it, it doesn't actually matter what you use for currency.

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    29. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by WATYF · · Score: 1

      You have no idea what you're talking about, which just confirms MY suspicion that people who bash Ron Paul supporters usually do so based on complete ignorance of the topic at hand.

      The Great Depression had NOTHING to do with lack of retirement planning or medical health care coverage (i.e. gov't social programs). No amount of Social Security or Medicaire would have stopped the Great Depression. In fact, no government handout of any kind could have stopped it, otherwise the gov't would have handed out the money the minute the depression started and it would have been over.

      If you understood the market, monetary policy, and the Federal Reserve you wouldn't even have equated the Great Depression to gov't entitlement programs.

      WATYF

    30. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You'd better look at how a lot of people lived during the Great Depression. You'd also better look up how Roosevelt managed to keep the whole thing afloat. You should also look at how the Federal Government, even before Pearl Harbor, pumped billions into the economy via programs like Lend Lease.

      Libertarians live in a black-and-white fantasy land, where government is bad, private concerns are good, and that's why a Libertarian government would fall in a matter of years, probably violently.

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    31. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by IonHand · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that you believe the Fed was not responsible for the Great Depression. You can e-mail me if you really want to find out what was the cause.

      You can bitch and moan about the Gold standard all you want, but you cannot deny the awesome power it has: Gold can only be created by fusing atoms together like during a super nova explosion, a technology we humans lack.

      You complain about the Gold stander, but lets compare it to todays monetary policies. When the federal government finds that it cannot afford its out-of-control spending, and is unwilling to directly tax the public, it resorts simply to creating the money out of thin air. Inflating the money supply is the easiest form of financing the government. The Federal Reserve, an unelected and unaccountable private organization, pumps more dollars into the economy whenever it chooses. And the public is forced to accept these bills.

      Basic economics tells us that the more there is of a good, the less valuable it becomes. This is also true of money. The dollar is worth four cents of what it was when the Federal Reserve was created in 1913.

      Day by day, every dollar you have is being devalued. You pay an inflation tax without even realizing it because you are forced by a falling dollar to pay more for goods and services.

    32. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Um, what about the studies that try to pin down the causes of the Great Depression? Inflexible money supply after a period of wild speculation caused a deflation of the currency that sent the economy packing. I guess I was not verbose enough in my original post. The gold standard itself may be theoretically workable in a perfect system, but in real world practice (the 1930s for example) it has a lot of shortcomings that cause problems. It's like communism in a way, it works great on paper, but it makes assumptions that aren't true in the real world where real people are trying to game the system and where you have to interact with other (not gold-based) economies.

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    33. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by dangitman · · Score: 1

      He also stands behind a lot of things that Slashdotters find acceptable that are political suicide in America today (legalize drugs, gay marrage is ok, privatize Social Security).

      No, he does not support legalizing marijuana or gay marriage. I can't believe how many slashdotters fall for his smoke and mirrors. All he says is that he is against federal laws about marijuana and gay marriage. He believes it is up to the states to make these things criminal (or not). But given the way most states act, the "or not" is a very slim proposition. Most states would probably enact even harsher anti-marijuana and anti-gay laws.

      But his little ruse works a treat in getting people to think he "supports" these issues.

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    34. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by WATYF · · Score: 1

      Yes... the fed gov't pumped billions into an economy... that didn't get better (at least not permanently.. many of the "gains" made by gov't programs were lost by 1937) and they had to plunge the country into massive amounts of dept just to do so (a practice that remains to this day). WWII ended the depression. There isn't even any debate about that.

      Not to mention that the economic state before the depression was not a "libertarian fantasy land". The Fed was instituted in 1913, much to the protest of libertarians. A central bank controlling the money supply and manipulating the economy (which is a NON-libertarian policy) was the #1 cause of the depression.

      WATYF

    35. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by shark+swooner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Austrian school of economics, which Paul subscribes to, predicted this would happen prior to the crash.

      A couple Austrian economists were quoted as saying there would be a "crash", but one thing they could not predict was the keynesian economic policy would prevent recessions from spiraling into depressions ever again, which used to happen regularly and has not happened even once since. Which is why economists abandoned the Austrian school many, many decades ago.

      Ron Paul was saying there would be a recession or worse back during the first debates when everyone was talking about the strength of the Bush economy.

      Again, this is easy to do. There will be a recession. Sooner or later. Apple will make better, smaller iPods. You will meet someone new this week.

      And, I'll also bet that Ron Paul has predicted recessions lots of times, and only the few times that he turned out to be right count. If he can reliably predict recessions more than one quarter in advance and is willing to write his method out, he should send it to Stockholm so he can get a Nobel.

      Once again, the Austrian school is ahead of the curve.

      As I said, the Austrian school was abandoned by economists generations ago. The Austrian school in its heyday used to seriously debate Marxist economics, which shows you the state of the field at that time. It died out because Keynes could explain the relationship between the money supply and economic growth much better than they could. Today almost no economists still believe in the Austrian school outside of a couple suspiciously well-funded "think tanks".

      It's not that hard to predict really.

      Now this is getting good. It's not hard to predict recessions and depressions?

      So, why haven't you written this up and collected your Nobel prize?

      Or, better yet, since you know when to buy and sell stocks, are you fabulously wealthy?

    36. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by n1ywb · · Score: 1

      Oh geez, someone has been drinking the Gold Standard Kool-Aid. Man, I love it when people make original insults like 'drinking the kool-aid!' rather than debating the subject at hand. I usually know there is a lot of bunk coming afterwards. I love it too because it's hilarious and poignant, unlike your inane and inaccurate diatribe. I agree with a lot of Ron Paul's positions, at least in principle, but I have been utterly and completely freaked out by his squad of righteous zealot fanboys like you who mercilessly attack anybody who says one syllable that might be construed as being negative towards Dr. Ron. Reminds me of the dogs in Animal Farm...
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    37. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Do you know why we got away from the gold standard? Because it was one of the major causes of the Great Depression. Another explanation comes from the Austrian School of economics. Austrian theorists who wrote about the Depression include Hayek and Murray Rothbard, who wrote "America's Great Depression" in 1963. In their view, the key cause of the Depression was the expansion of the money supply in the 1920s that led to an unsustainable credit-driven boom . In their view, the Federal Reserve, which was created in 1913, shoulders much of the blame.
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    38. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by monxrtr · · Score: 0

      Do you need "empiricism" to statistically analyze whether you wrote a post or not? Absolute not; epistemologically there are only two possibilities. A) You wrote a post. B) You did not write a post. Even the methodological approach of "empiricism" is not empirically established. It's deductively established from a priori principles. Empiricism in economics is the anachronistic school of economic thinking. They are just too blind and foolish to confront their methodological errors, even when they are laid bare before their eyes, especially as their bogus 20th century monetarist prognostications collapse in the 21st century.

      None of the major economic scientific principles were established from empiricism. Supply and demand, marginal utility, the profit creation from trade; all were deductively established. Empiricists just take those as "given". True total empiricism would make no sense whatsoever, as there would be no differential meaning between 'A' and 'B'. I must've written trade only occurs because that which is received is valued more than that which is given away in exchange over a thousand times by now. If that wasn't the case, there would be no reason to trade in the first place. Yet "empiricist" fools contradict this simple economic law with impunity. Empiricism is purely for second and third rate academic hacks to institute a make work welfare scheme for tenure jobs churning and burning, plugging and playing, "formulas" (which aren't even "empirically" established) pretending mathematical masturbation is shedding light on the science of human action.

      Violence has economic implications which cause poverty, which cause society to be net less wealthy than otherwise. Or perhaps you are one of those brave empiricists trying to get funding to argue the case that slavery is an economically efficient system. But non-libertarians embrace violence. They lie to themselves and others, pretending that forcing and demanding others do things they don't want to do, is not violence. And then they hypocritically get upset when others impose their intolerant violence on them.

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    39. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by exi1ed0ne · · Score: 1

      What about the previous couple hundred years with several different countries under the gold standard? Sure there were booms and busts, but nothing even remotely close to the Great Depression and the boom of the Roaring Twenties that preceded it. Both of those events were, in part, caused by the Federal Reserve. The depth and breadth of the event was complicated by the Gold standard (Which was originally intended to prevent the monetary gymnastics required by a fiat currency. In that case semi-fiat, as it wasn't convertible except to other central banks.), but one of the primary causes was too much credit. And the root of all credit is the Federal Reserve.

      Part of the blog you cite (based on a 30 year old paper) is "A gold standard only works when everybody believes in the overall fiscal and monetary responsibility of the major world governments and the relative price of gold is fairly stable." IOW, is it believed that governments are printing currency units in excess of gold to back it, which would cause the currency unit to sink relative to gold? No duh, and the primary criticism for the current dollar price of gold by groups such as GATA.

      I personally believe in letting the market decide what store of value to use in transactions, and that means several competing models. I'm not "for" a gold/silver/fiat standard, I just despise one size fits all approaches. That mode of thinking discounts all possibility there may be a better way to go.

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    40. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by exi1ed0ne · · Score: 1

      A couple Austrian economists were quoted as saying there would be a "crash", but one thing they could not predict was the keynesian economic policy would prevent recessions from spiraling into depressions ever again, which used to happen regularly and has not happened even once since.
      And the sacrificed the value of the dollar, along with any benefit to saving, to get it.
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    41. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by exi1ed0ne · · Score: 1

      There are criteria to what makes a good money: 1) durability - will it last? 2) store of value - is it desired? 3) homogeneous and divisible - can it be divided (think change)? 4) luxury - Seashells might not be a good choice Like it or not, gold fits all of these criteria and a loaf of bread does not. (Although there are scenarios where a loaf of bread has more intrinsic worth than a truckload of gold bars. Google Time Value of Money Theory for more infos on that topic.) The USD has most of these qualities, but 2 is determined by law and 2 by the printing press speed. 1 is even under attack these days on the Forex. My primary beef with a gold standard is that it leads to unrest, as it tends to be deflationary. There were issues with workers taking a pay cut, even though the purchasing power of that smaller sum was as great as the higher wage was originally. On the flip side, 3% raise in a 5% inflationary environment is easier for the worker bees to swallow since it is much more subtle loss.

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    42. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we're waiting for your response dickhead. or better yet, how about you load up a van with products, and try and cross the border into mexico.

      we'll see how free the trade actually is.

      unless you're on the short list that includes walmart, you're not going to make it 10 feet into mexico.

      free trade, only if your're on the list. and you get on the list by greasing the politicians via giant lobbyist groups (read: a company of lawyers).

      foad.

    43. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Legalization of drugs is in a similar situation. If pot is legal in California and Utah, what happens when you drive through Nevada and are caught with a Nevada state felony possession? Right now, the federal government is arresting and killing people under the interstate commerce clause for growing pot in their backyard and smoking it there.

      So, really, you're afraid of a rational problem arising from discontinuing an irrational policy? Get off it!
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    44. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ron Paul gets called nuts and if he doesn't get elected that makes him unemployable .
      People like you are too cold and proud to realize the thin lines you draw.

    45. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it IS possible for these types of programs to continue and thrive even if they arent government sponsored. charities and businesses could do a much better job on a lot of these social services. if you had more money in your pocket after paying taxes, youd have money to put toward private space travel companies, or care for the mentally ill charities, or whatever else floats your boat. by leaving that stuff in government hands, there is no incentive for those getting the dollars to work harder or smarter or more efficiently. in fact, they usually end up working as little as possible and just riding the gravy train. im sick of this american entitlement attitude. SOMEBODY has to do the work, you idiots! we cant all ride in the wagon if nobody is pulling it!

    46. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by monxrtr · · Score: 0

      The gold standard itself may be theoretically workable in a perfect system, but in real world practice (the 1930s for example) it has a lot of shortcomings that cause problems. It's like communism in a way, it works great on paper, but it makes assumptions that aren't true in the real world where real people are trying to game the system and where you have to interact with other (not gold-based) economies. Absolutely every trade for absolutely every *thing* is between DIFFERING goods. People don't trade 10 bars of gold for 2 bars of gold. That would be completely absurd. People trade 10 bars of gold for 8 hours of labor, or twenty dollars for a dvd movie, or an apple for an orange. People interact with each other precisely because that which is received is valued MORE than that which is given away in exchange. This *is* the real world. Absolutely every single real good and real service is extrinsically subjectively non-constantly valued. Gold and fiat paper dollars are both extrinsically subjectively non-constantly valued. And the value of fiat paper dollars issued since the Federal Reserve starting printing them in 1913 has declined over 95%. Yet you claim this is a success?

      Too many knee jerk reactionaries like to pretend they know what they are talking about in the economics field. And your claim of "it works on paper like communism" is a perfect example of that ignorant attitude devoid of factual scientific economic understanding. Using violent fiat force to make something like non-scare paper have artificial positive economic value is the ignorant bubble inducing irrational unrealistic absurdity. It's exactly as absurd as pretending farts are substitutes for drilling for petroleum fuel. Yet you want to pretend fiat currency is some logical scientifically established market based reality? Really, who's the loon?
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    47. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by monxrtr · · Score: 0

      Actually, the cause of the 1929 depression was Wilson's government granting loans at subsidized rates. That caused people to invest money on companies that seemed profitable, because their profit rate was above the fictional loan rate. No, the cause of the Great Depression was the erection of world wide protectionist trade barriers such as the Smoot-Hawley tariff that stifled the wealth creation that occurs for both parties from every instance of trade. That which is received is valued more than that which is given away in exchange. Even though the exact same A + B goods exists after the trade of A for B as exist before the trade of A for B, the economy is net wealthier from the trade. When you make trade illegal or more expensive, you kill the reason for the existence of productive manufacturing business of surplus goods meant for exchange for other surplus produced goods for trade produced by other real people on different sides of completely artificial imaginary lines borders.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot-Hawley_Tariff_Act

      The Hawley-Smoot Tariff (or Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act)[1] was signed into law on June 17, 1930, and raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported goods to record levels, and, in the opinion of most economists, worsened the Great Depression. Economists have now generally regarded this Tariff Act (i.e., tax increase on imported goods) as the greatest policy blunder in American economic history, coming as it did after the 1929-30 recession and preventing the economy from a full, natural recovery which had already started by the Spring, 1930. Many countries retaliated with their own increased tariffs on U.S. goods, and American exports and imports plunged by more than half. There it is, plain as day! International trade dropped by 50%! That means you don't need half your workers because half your business customers have been shut down by government interference in the free market. The protectionist trade barriers variable should be weighted somewhere around 90% of the cause of the Great Depression, with federal monetary policy the next biggest weighted variable.
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    48. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Rakarra · · Score: 1
      I don't care if you're for gay marriage. If you use the federal government to force your values on everyone, you're no better than a Mike Huckabee who would use the same government to shove a ban on gay marriage down everyones throats. Let the states decide, and things will naturally work themselves out. This has nothing to do with the Civil war, see if you can knock off the straw man arguments in your next reply.

      As long as the federal government continues to treat single people, unmarried couples (gay marriage?), and married couples differently, mostly though not exclusively related to taxes, then it will be a federal issue and not one that can be completely decided by the states.

    49. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by jcr · · Score: 1

      NAFTA and WTO are attempts to work, imperfectly, toward free trade.

      Not even close. That's just the rhetoric that was used to sell them to the voters.

      -jcr

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    50. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      This paper has been published today by the Cato Institute:
      http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9181
      Among other things, it agrees with me that the gold standard was not responsible for the Great Depression.

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    51. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      First, the NAFTA superhighway does not need scare quotes. I know everyone wants to pretend it doesn't exist because it's not happening in their backyard but I guarantee you that it is quite real..... The NAU is not a conspiracy theory anymore than the European Union is....

      [citation needed]

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    52. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Do you need "empiricism" to statistically analyze whether you wrote a post or not?

      Yup: you observe yourself writing a post, therefore, you know you wrote the post. I observed your post, therefore, I know you wrote a response. I'm not sure how we could reason to those conclusions from first principles but empiricism makes it easy. Please try to understand concepts before you attack them, you only embarrass yourself.

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    53. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul is also known as "Dr. No" because he's an obstetrician who always votes against new legislation. For his presidential campaign he decided to reinvent himself as Goldfinger.

      Seriously, though, you're right.

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    54. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and if he were elected, and he created a gold backed currency the price of gold would likely DROP. The only reason gold is priced so high since 9/11 is because of our irrational fiscal and foreign policies. Gold is a hedge vs inflation, so implementing a rational fiscal policy would actually hurt gold's value.

      According to the present value of gold, the entire world doesn't have a large enough gold reserve to cover the US GDP, much less the world GDP. You're saying that it would successfully do so even if its value dropped? I'd hate to see what Ron Paul would do to the GDP in order to make that balance out. I'm also not convinced that making gold legal tender again would decrease its value in the first place.

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    55. Re:Queue "Ron Paul is a nut" posts. by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Ah, the Cato Institute, truly the most neutral of all institutions for the study of economics.

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  7. Who really cares what he has to say? by InsaneProcessor · · Score: 1

    He doesn't stand the slightest chance of making it to the election. Anyone supporting his is totally wasting their effort and cash.

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    1. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Much like Linux on the desktop, right?

    2. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, more like Vista in the datacenter.

    3. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by Kintar1900 · · Score: 1

      Cue the "that's what's wrong with our two-party system" flamewar in three, two...

    4. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by log0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So we should vote based on who's viable rather than who's right? Anymore, this seems to exemplify exactly what's wrong with this country.

    5. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      He doesn't stand the slightest chance of making it to the election. Anyone supporting his is totally wasting their effort and cash

      I'm not giving any candidate cash. However, I do give them a vote. A vote for a candidate who wants to put me in jail for smoking pot or soliciting prostitutes (you guys are nerds, you should understand the hooker thing) is worse than a wasted vote, it is a completely insane vote.

      If you vote for a candidate who wants to outlaw something you enjoy, you are incredibly stupid. Would you vote for a candidate that wanted to outlaw your favorite food? Ron Paul is the only candidate that doesn't want me in jail. He gets my vote!

      -mcgrew

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    6. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Much like Linux on the desktop, right?

      Yes.

    7. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by LowSNR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, actually the answer is probably "yes." If you actually want to make a difference you should vote in a way that enables that rather than voting in some idealistic attempt to make a statement. If you want to enable change, vote for the "right" people at a more local level where they stand a chance of getting into office where they can actually do something! Don't vote for someone who clearly has no chance of winning just to "make a statement" and then whine that things aren't how you want them. Change usually happens from the bottom up, only rarely from the top down.

    8. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by hrvatska · · Score: 1

      No, more like Dennis Kucinich getting the Democratic nomination. Both are fringe candidates within their parties that have a snowball's chance in Brazil of getting their parties' nominations.

    9. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by Jerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, what "viable" really truly means is "able to be supported by enough real voters to make it into office". "Real voters", in contrast to the vast horde of just-like-you voters that exist only in your mind.

      You are free in a democracy to vote for whomever you like, but confining yourself to "viable" voters is indicative of the kind of maturity it takes to function in a democracy (by which I mean any system with a major democratic component, including the US Republic), which requires understanding that a lot of people don't agree with you.

      This anger about people seeking "viability" strikes me as coming awfully close to a totalitarian impulse. What, am I just supposed to ignore the fact that I'm in the minority and angrily push my views through anyhow? No.

      It's not a sign of degeneracy. It's maturity.

    10. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by Deathdonut · · Score: 1

      To say a vote for a third party or losing candidate doesn't matter is to express your ignorance of our system.

      A two-party system has many flaws, but one of its advantages is the way it smoothes over rash political changes and movements. Over the years, the parties try to maximize their popularity by taking a geometrically median position on issues (think multidimensionally).

      When a party is out of skew with that concept, votes for third party (or in this case, non-traditional) candidates are carefully monitored indicators of a need for change.

      Unless you live in one of the few 'purple' states that have roughly a 50/50 distribution between the major parties, a vote for someone else has the biggest impact per vote.

    11. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 1

      I care. And I'm not even american. Why? First of all because what happens in america affects everybody. The rest of the world is financiating america's consumption, a totalitarist country like China has so many debt from EEUU that god knows what they will do with it, and the FED doesn't seems to stop printing dollar bills like mad, yet candidates don't talk about it and they don't even seem to care, only Ron Paul seems to acknowledge how bad the situation is and only he seems to have a real plan. If Ron Paul would get elected, my country and many other countries would improve. The rest of the candidates don't offer plans, they only offer nice ideas, like "americans will live better", "i'll fix economy", "universal healthcare will solve all the problems" (yeah, sure, that's why most of the people who works for the administration here in spain chooses private insurances instead of the universal healthcare), "i'll put an end to the iraq war", "we'll force iran to abandon nuclear development". People like Obama and Clinton offer a wishlist, Ron Paul offers a real plan. And I've had enought of spain and the shitty european union to know that wishlists politics don't work. Politicians like Ron Paul don't exist in europe or are completely irrelevant, only the united states seems to be able to consider people like him an option, even if he doesn't gets elected. That's why I care about him.

    12. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by ween14 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with that philosophy is that the candidate does not know that you don't agree with on most issues and only voted for them because they were "viable". In their perspective you fully support the platform they ran on. This can be seen from the 2004 election where the many voters felt they were voting for "the lesser of 2 evils", but Bush took winning the popular vote as a "mandate" for his policies.

      In order for anything to actually change, you sometimes have to vote for candidate "A" who has no chance of winning the current election. When this occurs then the other candidates/parties will be forced to consider the positions of "A" and likely integrate some of "A"s positions into their platforms.

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    13. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Oh i would say a vote for a third party candidate in the purple states has an even bigger impact.
      Third party votes gave bush the whitehouse in 2004 (ignoring the suspicious crap-- just on the face of it a lot of votes when to liberal third party types).

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    14. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      Voting is always about who is viable. It's called politics.

      We all disagree about who is right, so we slowly compromise until there are 2 candidates.

      Real change is done on the soap box, not the ballot box. The ballot box just represents the community...if you don't like it it's because your neighbors are probably blockheads.

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    15. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      By supporting Ron Paul, voters threaten to take votes away from other candidates whose views don't match those of the voter. It forces the other candidates to shift their position in order to not lose these votes.

    16. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by ACrappyDev · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's what's right, given how the election system is set up. Democracy has never been fashioned from people holding hands and agreeing together--it's from groups opposing each other and then eventually coming to a compromise in some way, including internal compromises that people make.

    17. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by AJWM · · Score: 1

      No.

      Yes, change happens at the local level and tends to happen from the bottom up, but unless that's reinforced with some serious shaking up at the upper levels, it's ignorable.

      The way to shake up the upper levels is to vote for people who agree with what you believe, regardless of party or whether they have a chance to win. You're only wasting your vote if you vote for someone who would win anyway. When a party loses a close race because some third (or fourth, or fifth) party candidate "drained off the votes", you damn betcha that they'll re-think their platform to pull some of those voters into their tent next time. Voting for "the lesser of two evils" because you don't think the non-evil guy has a chance of winning is short-term thinking. Short-term thinking got us into this mess in the first place.

      (Of course, joining and becoming active in one of the two main parties and trying to change their platform from within, nominate the right candidates, etc, is also a worthwhile approach, if you can.)

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    18. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by Firehed · · Score: 1

      If you want to actually make a difference, start blowing shit up (as such, I can't recommend actually trying to make a difference, but there's no denying it's the best way to make changes). All of the "electable" politicians are the same, and most of the "unelectable" politicians are the ones that would best serve the general public.

      If you vote for someone who has no chance of winning, you're still better off than voting for someone who you thought had a decent chance even though you didn't really agree, got the job, and then continued the destruction of your country. You can at least say, "Hey, I didn't vote for that asshole." By voting for someone based solely on their electability rather than their principles, you've just tossed aside your one legitimate bye when it comes to complaining.

      I know Paul's chance of winning is next to nothing, and have known it from the beginning. I've said it many times, and am not so deluded to think that logic and sense will prevail in America. But I still gave him my vote - of the politicians running, his policies are most in line with my beliefs. If by some freak outcome of today's primaries and caucuses he gets into the lead (or at least close enough that the media have to stop ignoring him), then I can be content. In the MUCH more likely event that he continues on in general obscurity taking 10% or less of the vote, well, that was to be expected. When McCain, Romney, Clinton, or Obama takes the top job, I'll be able to apologize in behalf of America to my new neighbors in some other country. At least I tried.

      'Tis better to have voted and lost than to never have voted at all, right? Change may only happen from the bottom up, but the only change that will likely get voted into office is no change at all. How valid can my complaints be if I voted for the most polished of the turds knowing that there was also a rough-cut, dirt-covered diamond in the running?

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    19. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by meeotch · · Score: 1

      What if the statement you're trying to make is "Hey, everybody - maybe we should re-think this whole Two Party System thing?" Perhaps a (as in "one of several") major reason we consistently get doucheba^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsubstandard political leaders is because there's a general belief that we have to pick from the choices we're given by the big money interests that run the show. Or put another way, that we're individually powerless to change anything. One way to combat this is to indicate to everyone else, "You're not the only one that's dissatisfied - and it's o.k. to speak your mind." Basically, I'm saying there's a tipping point - 8%? 15%? 22%? - after which the less bold will feel empowered to vote their conscience.

      Caveat: I do agree with your statement about bottom-up change. I remember someone else posting on slashdot a while back that everyone should stop wasting their energy mouthing off on the internet, and get out and run for local office. +5 sharp reminder that the government is supposed to belong to us.

      Pseudo-related anecdote - I've actually avoided wearing the donation t-shirt the Ron Paul campaign sent me to work, due to my reluctance to be seen as a "Republican," and subsequently being on the receiving end of the attendant bias. (I work in the entertainment / arts industry in NYC - nearly everyone I come in contact with thinks Republicans eat their young. Correction - think that *all* Republicans eat their young.)

    20. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Sigh... Ron Paul fully supports the right of the state you live in to put you in jail for smoking pot or hiring a hooker. I don't think you fully understand his position and the consequences of it.

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    21. Re:Who really cares what he has to say? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      True, but then I only have to fight my own state's laws... or move to a different one. It's a step in the right direction.

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  8. I wonder.... by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 1

    If he actually answered the questions himself, or someone who has their ideals aligned with Ron Paul on his staff that is technically savvy.

    The answers, although answered, were rather short, and someone ambiguous in my opinion. But atleast he (or someone in his office) responded.

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  9. Barriers to private space flight...like gravity? by jimgarritano · · Score: 1

    "Barriers to private space flight" unfortunately includes gravity. Sorry, but there is no good answer to dealing with competitive space programs without using the word "program."

  10. Wow by CheeseTroll · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm overwhelmed by RP's insight and commitment to these issues, and can't wait to put him into a leadership position.

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    1. Re:Wow by debatem1 · · Score: 1

      If that's sarcasm, I agree.
      /Even I'm not sure what that means.

    2. Re:Wow by Workaphobia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be fair, those questions outright SUCKED. *That's* the best Slashdot can give our candidates? No wonder no one responded! I was expecting questions that would give a layman's summary of all the great issues whose explanation we take for granted, including patents, copyright, distribution monopoly, fair use, parenting in the digital age, internet governance, etc., and then ask for a well-reasoned or thought-out action plan. But these questions do nothing to motivate a person to think deeply about anything I care about.

      Fuck, you have an opportunity to get official answers to questions that would *never* be asked in a mainstream debate, and instead you shove forward crap about Marijuana and "our elected officials deceive us"? We all deserve the shitty response we got.

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    3. Re:Wow by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      I, for one, support our new Libertarian Overlord.

      Heh, Libertarian Overlord. Now that's funny.

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    4. Re:Wow by xtracto · · Score: 1

      I'm overwhelmed by RP's insight and commitment to these issues, and can't wait to subscribe to his newsletter.

      There, fixed it for you.

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    5. Re:Wow by robably · · Score: 1

      To be fair, those questions outright SUCKED. *That's* the best Slashdot can give our candidates? No wonder no one responded!
      I seem to remember Taco saying that Ask Slashdot interviewees get sent a whole bunch of questions they can pick and choose which ones to answer (I couldn't find the quote for you, sorry). If that's the case here then it's likely Slashdot did send some better questions, but the "team" answering chose the innocuous ones because when you're answering on somebody else's behalf you don't want to drop them in hot water.
    6. Re:Wow by roystgnr · · Score: 1

      instead you shove forward crap about Marijuana and "our elected officials deceive us"? We all deserve the shitty response we got.

      Indeed, we do deserve the shitty response we get from our politicians. Not because a hundred Slashdot moderators think that imprisoning Prohibition violators and dissembling about torture is bad, but because a hundred million voters think that those things are acceptable.

      We'll take your suggestions into consideration next time, though. Two questions on intellectual property might not have been enough, but it's theoretically possible that four or five would have made the difference, once we got that crap about unjust imprisonment and dishonesty out of the way to make room for more detailed complaints about software patents. Just because they don't all respect you enough to give you a straight answer about waterboarding, that doesn't necessarily mean they won't respect you enough to listen to your detailed explanation of patent office flaws and compose an equally complex and informed reply.

    7. Re:Wow by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      I don't come to slashdot to read about torture, imprisonment, lies/deceit, politicians' lack of respect (You will address me as *Sir* John Everyman!), terrorism, or international policy - unless it's related to technology. There are enough channels out there to bitch and moan about the ocean of refuse that is politics on mainstream issues, and were I not so, so very tired of it, I might even join you. Instead, I want to pick an esoteric topic and discuss it in peace, free from the ubiquity of such pseudo-issues as gay marriage, abortion, stem-cell research, or more serious matters that have already been done to death like war and security and the economy. What the hell is the point of assembling together questions from a massive common source in hopes that they'll be taken seriously, if we're going to waste them on what every other massive group of people is going to complain about? Even if we were going to choose mundane topics, did they really *have* to be worded in such a slanted, bullshit manner, as to absolutely mandate a bullshit response? We could have at least given Ron Paul the *option* of *premtively* acting like an ass, instead of goading him into it.

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  11. Meh... by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not trolling at all here, but I was rather underwhelmed by the responses.

    Basically, the responses given by the Ron Paul campaign carried the tone I expected (more focus on personal liberties and free market) but were truly lacking in depth. For once, it would be nice to get a more detailed response from a politician, and not just the typical buzzword jockeying.

    Of all the candidates, this was the one I least expected generalizations and "typical response" muck. Oh well... at least they responded... I guess...

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    1. Re:Meh... by GradiusCVK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see why... "typical" politicians avoid making commitments altogether. Ron Paul stated his stance on the issues as concisely as possible (explicitly AVOIDING the use of buzzwords and filler), and took a position on each one of them. I now know precisely what his commitment is to each of these topics, even if he didn't outline a complete, step-by-step plan on how to implement each one of them. I think these answers were completely sufficient.

    2. Re:Meh... by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      I don't see why... "typical" politicians avoid making commitments altogether. Ron Paul stated his stance on the issues as concisely as possible (explicitly AVOIDING the use of buzzwords and filler), and took a position on each one of them. I now know precisely what his commitment is to each of these topics, even if he didn't outline a complete, step-by-step plan on how to implement each one of them. I think these answers were completely sufficient. I would have liked a little more detail on at least the patent and copyright questions. As it is all he said could be summarized as "patents and copyright are important for encouraging innovation, but we need to be careful not to discourage small businesses and block fair use", which really isn't saying anything at all. It's effectively the official summary of why we have a USPTO in the first place. Based on that comment he could easily turn around and approve the next copyright extension bill but insist that instead of extending it another 80 years, only do 40 because that would be better for encouraging new work. It's effectively a non-answer. Now, if he had said something like "We should reduce copyright terms back to around the original limits, somewhere in the ballpark of 20 or 30 years" that would have been a real answer.
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    3. Re:Meh... by GradiusCVK · · Score: 1

      I can see why you might not be satisfied with the answer to that particular question (though I still believe he answered the rest pretty well), but in his defense he did explicitly say that patent reform was not a topic he was particularly conversant in ("I do not have a plan for patent reform yet"), and I'm confident that if he thinks this is a topic of significant interest to the country then he will do his homework and come up with the kind of explicit answer you were looking for, i.e. "We should reduce copyright terms back to around the original limits, somewhere in the ballpark of 20 or 30 years". Based on Paul's strong opposition to corporate welfare, I think you can rest assured this is pretty close to the kind of conclusion he will come to himself. You've gotta hand it to him, on the one question he was pretty ambiguous about, he explicitly said it's because he hasn't looked into it much, and STILL gave an (admittedly ambiguous) answer inline with most of our views.

    4. Re:Meh... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was actually quite impressed with his response on patents. Admitting that you don't have a specific policy on an issue that the electorate (or, at least, the subset you are talking to) care about is something you very rarely see politicians do.

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    5. Re:Meh... by JavaLord · · Score: 1

      Of all the candidates, this was the one I least expected generalizations and "typical response" muck. Oh well... at least they responded... I guess...

      One of his staff responded...On Super Tuesday. I doubt it was the best time to call the candidate to get in depth responses.

    6. Re:Meh... by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      It worries me a little that he doesn't seem to know much about the problem with patents (and copyright). Admittedly they're not a real hot topic outside of the circles the technically (and lately legally to a lesser extent) inclined tend to travel in, but as a politician I'd expect at least a little knowledge. Maybe I'm expecting too much, I wouldn't be much surprised if any of the other candidates didn't have some sort of game plan vis a vis patent and copyright, although I'd still be disappointed with them.

      I wonder if this isn't an indication that government is so incredibly far behind business as to be almost pointless. It's commonly accepted that we're now an information society, and our most valuable commodities are the things covered by patent and copyright. As such I'd think patent and copyright reform would be one of the hot topics, and it certainly is among businesses, but politicians seem to be almost completely in the dark about it. Those few that do seem to have an informed opinion are almost universally big business sock puppets. Are politicians too focused on Joe Sixpack, so much so that they land in office unprepared to answer the questions that really do need answering in order for our country to move forward? Now that's a question I'd like to see the politicians answer.

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    7. Re:Meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I think that all of these answers are very typical of the Paul campaign, and if you watch the canidates@google video of him speaking about these topics, it becomes very apparent that the details of these policies are lacking. The space program is one great example here that has no details whatsoever. NASA is a public endeavor, and as such I don't think that his office would really like to see it working at all. Rather he would like to see the private companies to take this over. But really that would not competing in the current space race today, as there is no real market draw to building private space exploration yet. It is way to big of a risk for unknown benefit at the moment.

      But his answers to drug control laws and banishment of basically every office in the federal government is really short sited, and imho doesn't take into consideration why those offices were created in the first place. National efforts must be taken to control interstate commerce and programs that the country finds necessary as a whole, but really would not be beneficial to do as a company. Like his idea that consumer reports groups would do most of the product regulation in the country. This requires that the products be available to these companies before being shipped to the market to really determine the detrimental effects to the public. Items like drugs and unsafe equipment that is generally scientifically tested long before arrival to market has the potential to kill at the worst, and simply not provide the benefits that are promised would be released and basically tested by trial in the public. Pharmacists used to do this all the time, selling snake oil. Even those tested now can still make it through and have problems. How is it going to be when anyone can make some large false claim and sell it as lifesaving?

      In general I know there are a lot of things that should be changed within our government, but it seems that the Paul campaign really is looking for the easy answer to an extremely complicated problem of market regulation and generally his plans have seemed to me to be lacking in the details and hiding behind the 'free market'.

    8. Re:Meh... by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1
      I can understand that. However, if you really want a detailed response there is a site out there that has everything he has ever written - and he has been quite prolific.

      The man is trying to run a presidential campaign, and during this period he has been trying to prepare for the Super Tuesday elections. That doesn't leave a lot of time for answering questions. Especially for a candidate who is not bashful about his views, and whose views are based on a clearly stated philosophy and closely held principles.

      Even if you don't agree with all of them, at least you know where he stands, or can quickly find out with a little research. That's more than I can say for Mitt "what-did-the-focus-group-say" Romney and his ilk.

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    9. Re:Meh... by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul claims to be "pro free market", but the reality of the United States today is that it is getting further away from free market all the time, but not because of government, but because of corporations who hold the real power today, and who are consolidating significant control over the economy and thus peoples lives. If you wanted to go back to a free market economy, you would probably have to completely abolish corporations. Adam Smith himself said that free market capitalist forces could only work in an economy of small buyers and sellers, if there were anything larger than small mom and pop type companies, there was too much chance that one entity could manipulate the market, prices, etc.

      Corporations are a de-facto government who controls a good part of peoples lives, including what they have to wear, what they can say, their behaviour, personality, their pay, their hours, and on it goes. The massive consolidation of this power and control into the hands of a few, who can manipulate peoples wages, how much things cost, and so on, makes manipulating peoples lives, in pushing people into poverty, childs play.

      Socialism is an attempt to combine the organisation of large organised systems and collective effort with democracy, systems that work for an by the people in the common interest, the common good, where corporations would be operated by a democracy, owned by the public, and the would serve the public interest and the greater good rather than the good of an extremely wealthy elite. They should also not be used by the wealthy to consolidate the wealth generated by the work of the persons who work for these corporations. To do so undermines the health and well being of the economy by taking money out of the hands of the common people. It is critical for money to remain fluid and keep circulating through the economy and changing hands. Since the middle and low income class must spend a larger percentage of their income on purchasing things, there is a better chance it will be spent, than if it lands into a wealthy elite individuals hands, who has more money than they know what to do with. The increasing disparity between rich and poor and the shrinking middle class and purchasing power of the common people, and the corporate enslavement that is underway where corporations make goods in china, charge a 200% markup in the US and keep the profits for themselves. This leaching money, the lifeblood of the economy, right out of it, is a major cause of the economic problems we are now facing, as well as the real estate balloon, which is not a source of economic growth but is a drag on the economy which is sucking money out of the pockets of the common people and causing them to have less money to spend on other things, such as electronics and other goods in the economy.

      That this so called corporatism, large corporations like wal-mart and microsoft, I am referring to, which are owned, controlled and largely benefit an elite few, is american is a lie. In fact Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith both grealty feared corporations and preferred an economic model of small mom and pop type businesses, they were afraid of any large consolidations of economic and as well political power. Consolidations of either can have great and significant effects on your freedom and self determination in your life. As well, there was a strong and growing socialism movement in the US in response to the rise of modern corporations in the late 1800s. During the 1930s the country was coming closer to a move towards socialism and the FDR New Deal programs was a last ditch effort to try to safe capitalism from itself and the shambles it was in. There was a move towards labour unions where employees could have some rights and assure they are paid a living wage, and and greater safety nets and regulation of corporations. These policies were in force from the 40s onward, after which the US economy experienced tremendous growth and the middle class grew in size, due to the force of the labour unions, employee wages were improved an

    10. Re:Meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask and ye shall receive....

      There is an ENORMOUS WEALTH OF RON PAUL's WRITINGS, speeches, and opinions online. He's been writing a weekly article for god knows how long, called Texas Straight Talk.

      See them all, plus all his speeches and press releases from many years back here:

      http://www.house.gov/paul/legis.shtml

    11. Re:Meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm impressed. I would've thought that much ignorance in one place would surely cause a black hole.

    12. Re:Meh... by jd_esguerra · · Score: 1

      I think you set your expectations too high.

      A more cynical person might expect that a politician's answers will be those which state his/her position while alienating the smallest number of people possible. Dr. Paul isn't going to stroke /. readers even if he knows that 100% of /. supports what he is saying. Better to say as little as possible-- to minimize criticism of what he does say, if only by the people who do NOT support him. Who knows, having overwhelming ./ support might actually hurt his campaign in some way... "Ron Paul: Endorsed by a large number of teenage ./ Virgins." Sure, it's a stereo-type, but I can think of more than one comedian who would use it...

      Besides, from what I can see, most of the actively posting /. politicos have already made their decision: Democrat.

  12. Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're Republicans who want to smoke pot and get laid.

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    1. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by Emrys · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul himself does not want to smoke pot. You're talking about a guy who doesn't even like to take meds when they're prescribed (I happen to know his family, this isn't just a fanboy respose).

      But he's a firm believer that federal government regulation of this stuff does way more harm than any good it could possibly do. People have to ultimately be responsible for their own actions, and if they are sick they need help, not to be put in prison.

    2. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by altinos.com · · Score: 1

      You might be a Libertarian if you smoke pot while cleaning your guns.

    3. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul himself does not want to smoke pot. You're talking about a guy who doesn't even like to take meds when they're prescribed

      So he does not like to follow the advice of the people who know most about the problem (in this case, some health condition) and which he himself chose to advice him. Do you find that to be an attractive trait of a candidate?

    4. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by Emrys · · Score: 1

      I assume you know he's a medical doctor? He's at least as familiar with medicine as the rest of us. It's not exactly an atypical human trait to not want to take their pills. It doesn't mean he doesn't take them.

      The point is that he's NOT into using substances to escape reality at all.

    5. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not fair. The Republicans have plenty of sex.

    6. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by martfuncher · · Score: 1

      Are you saying this is a good thing or a bad thing? ;)

    7. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Equating "smoking pot" with being "sick" is probably even worse than making it criminal.

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    8. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      The pills he's been prescribed to take are the kind that will make him `escape reality'?

    9. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul himself does not want to smoke pot.
      Which explains why belongs to the Republican party rather than the Libertarian party. What it doesn't explain is how he can justify calling himself a Libertarian when he belongs to a party known for its authoritarian values.

    10. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by rkanodia · · Score: 1

      I think he did that all by himself, no pills needed.

    11. Re:Thom Hartmann on Libertarians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most assuredly. He's shown quite well that he doesn't need drugs in order to shatter reality.

  13. Even though I don't vote... by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...I still support Ron Paul and am very vocal in proposing him as a choice to my many family, friends and customers who do vote.

    Nonetheless, these answers were a bit short and vague, but I do agree with how he answered them. Ron Paul's greatest asset is that he does listen. I have an interesting story dating back many years to a gold conference I attended in San Mateo. Ron Paul was a keynote speaker there, and after his speech, everyone left the convention room to gather for drinks and snacks. Outside the room, I started speaking with some younger folk who gathered outside the convention room (the average age of people in the room was probably 70, and I was the only person under 40 who wasn't a nurse of an old person in a wheelchair). Even almost a decade ago, Paul had young fans who would gather to talk to him outside of the official convention. As I spoke to these teenagers and young adults, many from the convention gathered to hear me out. After about 45 minutes of fielding questions, the crowd finally dispersed, and then I noticed that Dr. Paul was in the crowd listening. A congressman who took time out from his then-hectic schedule to actually hear me speak about gold and freedom. We spoke for a few minutes, and since then I've regularly talked to him at other conventions he's attended. It's ridiculous to me to think that a popular congressman would take even a few minutes out of his life to listen to anyone but lobbyists, but Paul has done it again and again with people around him. Even during the current campaign I've seen Paul spend hours after a speech to shake hands, answer questions bluntly, and sign pocket Constitutions.

    Paul's most magic words I've heard him speak is to say that as President he doesn't have the power that people would want HIM to have. He admits that the President's powers are very limited, and his sole purpose to be President is to use the bully pulpit to raise awareness on Constitutional issues. He would be wonderful with the veto pen, and he would call our big business and lobbying groups for their actions, as he has done (on C-SPAN) over his many years in Congress.

    On the war issue that many neoconservatives hate him for, Paul has said repeatedly that he is against undeclared wars. He's also said that Presidents are to follow Congress on declaring war or refusing it. This means that Paul _would_ go to war if Congress declared it, even in Iraq. He's putting politicians in their responsible positions by demanding that they follow the Constitution.

    Paul wants the Federal Department of Education gone, because they make a mess of education. He also admits he can't do it alone. He wants the IRS gone, because of its unconstitutionalist, but he can't do it alone. A vote for Paul is NOT a vote for getting rid of anything, or stopping a war, or ending rampant government growth -- it's a vote to put a freedom lover in the most powerful bully pulpit, to remind the politicians and the masses that freedom and responsibility are the individual's right to protect and follow through on.

    Even though I don't vote, I support voters who make clear choices based on the Constitution that we believe in to protect the freedoms that I believe are God-granted, or inherent at birth for all people in all countries. Paul's message is powerful in that he's not looking to lead people, but to follow them, and protect their freedoms so they can make responsible, or irresponsible choices, and learn lessons from those choices. He's not looking to stop abortion, but to stop Federal involvement in an issue that is debatable as a "murder" cause. The definition of murder is a State issue, and Paul wants to force the issue there. I appreciate his candor and honesty even though I disagree with many positions of his.

    I'm glad he answered these questions simply, because it allows you to see that Paul believes the President is near powerless, except for the veto pen and the bully pulpit.

    1. Re:Even though I don't vote... by numbsafari · · Score: 1

      If you are so passionate about this why don't you vote? That sounds stupid...

      If you love the Constitution so much I would think you'd be all over it's greatest gift: the right to vote.

    2. Re:Even though I don't vote... by log0n · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why don't you vote? Are you a felon? Or is it the whole 'voting doesn't matter' diatribe.

      When you get bad service at a restaurant, not leaving leaving a tip only makes the server think you're an ass. Leaving a $.25 tip will still make them think you're an ass, but betters the odds of sorting themselves out (either via a manager, or themselves, etc).

      Personally, this is the first election I'll have ever voted in where I felt like 1) my vote mattered (both to me and to the outcome), and 2) I'm excited for the potential of numerous candidates regardless of parties.

      Unless you're prohibited by law, get off your lazy ass and vote.

    3. Re:Even though I don't vote... by ccharles · · Score: 1

      As a person writing from outside the USA, I'm curious as to why you don't vote. You certainly seem to have a handle on American politics, and I suspect that the USA might be a very different country today if every voter was as well-informed.

    4. Re:Even though I don't vote... by SoupGuru · · Score: 1

      I still support Ron Paul and am very vocal in proposing him as a choice to my many family, friends and customers who do vote. Do you have many customers left? The last thing I'd want to hear when I'm buying something is the salesperson's politics.
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    5. Re:Even though I don't vote... by dada21 · · Score: 1

      Every customer I have knows I'm anti-socialism. Everyone I pitch is invited to Google me to see if my opinions might conflict with theirs. I've no secrets, yet I've only been fired once from a contract (not fired, just not renewed).

      I'm proud of advocating freedom to clients. I only work with CxO's, and most agree with my positions, but not publicly.

    6. Re:Even though I don't vote... by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      After reading that long post, I still don't understand why you don't vote.

    7. Re:Even though I don't vote... by darjen · · Score: 1

      I appreciated your anecdote about meeting Paul at that gold conference. I've never met him, and I also don't agree with him on everything - like abortion, patents, and evolution. But the issues I do agree with him on I think are the most important for this country. I would love to see him veto every spending or tax increase and require a 2/3 majority to pass it. I have a feeling Congress wouldn't have as much of a problem doing that if it were the case though...

      I doubt I will vote either, but I have purchased quite a bit of stuff from his online store; mostly to help get the message out to everyone else.

    8. Re:Even though I don't vote... by cheezedawg · · Score: 1

      On the war issue that many neoconservatives hate him for, Paul has said repeatedly that he is against undeclared wars. He's also said that Presidents are to follow Congress on declaring war or refusing it. This means that Paul _would_ go to war if Congress declared it, even in Iraq. He's putting politicians in their responsible positions by demanding that they follow the Constitution.
      How do you think the Constitution defines a declaration of war (hint: it doesn't), and how do you think that differs from something like this?
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    9. Re:Even though I don't vote... by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 1

      So, why don't you vote?

    10. Re:Even though I don't vote... by J0nne · · Score: 1

      Even though I don't vote... Why don't you vote? (I'm not judging you or anything, I'm just wondering)
    11. Re:Even though I don't vote... by pmarinus · · Score: 1, Informative

      I voted today, and did not vote for Ron Paul. If you are considering backing him I suggest you read this piece (excerpt below) from The New Republic and consider whether he has made an adequate response (e.g. Reason Magazine)
      The Newsletters: Since at least 1978, Ron Paul has attached his name to a series of newsletters--Ron Paul's Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, and The Ron Paul Investment Letter--that frequently made outrageous statements:
      A Special Issue on Racial Terrorism" analyzes the Los Angeles riots of 1992: "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began. ... What if the checks had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the welfare state through continued looting. But they were paid off and the violence subsided."

    12. Re:Even though I don't vote... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      "A vote for Paul is NOT a vote for getting rid of anything, or stopping a war, or ending rampant government growth -- it's a vote to put a freedom lover in the most powerful bully pulpit, to remind the politicians and the masses that freedom and responsibility are the individual's right to protect and follow through on."

      Thought this was worthy of repeating and is exactly why I am an RP supporter. A revamped version of this should be the head stone of any Libertarian candidates campaign.

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    13. Re:Even though I don't vote... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      He's dada21. He's some kind of crazy anarchist who thinks all governments are evil and Ayn Rand is his personal God or something, I dunno. I'm sure he views voting as some vindication of the Federal Government's existence and therefore refuses on matter of principle.

    14. Re:Even though I don't vote... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Paul wants the Federal Department of Education gone, because they make a mess of education. He also admits he can't do it alone. He wants the IRS gone, because of its unconstitutionalist, but he can't do it alone.


      Last time I checked, the 16th Amendment has been around for nearly 95 years. Since the Federal Government is permitted to levy income taxes, it is permitted to create the apparatus to actually collect said taxes.
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    15. Re:Even though I don't vote... by AnotherVBDude · · Score: 1

      The only real and consistent way of interpreting the Constitution is to look at how the text was defined at the time that it was ratified. As far as a declaration of war, I think the answer is pretty clear. In pretty much every conflict that the United States engaged in through the Korean War, the Congress passed an official no-BS Declaration of War. This is the Congress accepting their Constitutionally-granted responsibility of taking the nation to war. Notice how this is different than dumping this hefty responsibility onto the President by passing a "if you feel like committing our troops, we promise not to impeach you" type bill.

      I think history shows that we should take things like war as seriously as possible. Maybe the politicians had it right for the first 175 years or so of this country. If the branch of government that has to answer most closely to the people took responsibility for declaring the wars, maybe we wouldn't make as many mistakes.

    16. Re:Even though I don't vote... by kukerdan · · Score: 1

      THE QUESTIONS SUCKED so before any of you (im 491 comments too late) get your panties in a knot, consider that.

    17. Re:Even though I don't vote... by workindev · · Score: 1

      First of all, that isn't true. The first time US engaged in military activities against another nation without a formal declaration of war was in 1798 when Congress gave the the President specific authorization to attack French ships that were interfering with trade. This isn't a new phenomenon since the Korean war.

      Congress doesn't have a "Constitutionally-granted responsibility of taking the nation to war". They have a Constitutionally-granted right to declare war, and the President has a Constitutionally-granted right to command the troops as Commander-in-chief. So far, every formal declaration of war by congress has been prompted by the President.

    18. Re:Even though I don't vote... by ostermei · · Score: 1

      Your comment saddens me. Why, if I may ask, don't you vote? You've obviously learned more about this one candidate than most people learn about all the candidates in a race combined. You seem lucid and educated. You attend political conventions (as I assume the "other conventions he's attended" aren't comic or sci-fi cons :). You feel comfortable enough with certain issues to educate others and recommend candidates to friends and family. You are who we need voting in this country.

      I can understand abstaining from certain races if you aren't adequately informed, or cannot find a suitable candidate in any party (keeping in mind most folks automatically discount anything outside of the Democratic/Republican one-party system). However, you're not stating "I'm not going to vote in my state's primary this year," or any variation thereof... you're making a blanket statement that you don't vote, period. I apologize if I'm prying, but it just baffles me that someone who can write a post like you just did would willingly abstain from any and all opportunities to participate in the political process.

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    19. Re:Even though I don't vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people consider voting to be against their principles, or unethical. You may as well ask an atheist that he (or she) get off his lazy ass and accept Jesus as his savior. Just because he is not trying to save the people around him from their unethical behavior doesn't mean he has nothing intelligent to say. It is quite possible for an atheist to discuss what constitutes acceptable Christian behavior and to give Christians advice; similarly it is possible for a non-voter to discuss voting and give advice to voters. Not everyone finds it necessary to cram their beliefs down other people's throats. So unless you like to belittle everyone whose beliefs differ from yours, would you please be more respectful. Thank you.

    20. Re:Even though I don't vote... by AnotherVBDude · · Score: 1

      My point is that prior to Vietnam a true declaration of war by Congress was the rule, and straying from this rule leads to bad things. There were certainly exceptions, another one of which was Jefferson and the Barbary Pirates, but now these exceptions are used as precedent to justify undeclared wars, occupations, and skirmishes at the whim of the President.

      Let's pretend it's 1808. Do you think that the Iraq war would be seen as constitutional? If not, then what has changed? Certainly not the Constitution.

    21. Re:Even though I don't vote... by workindev · · Score: 1

      Let's pretend it's 1808. Do you think that the Iraq war would be seen as constitutional? If not, then what has changed? Certainly not the Constitution.


      Absolutely, because Constitutionally there is no difference between a congressional resolution that says "We declare war on Iraq", and one that says "We give the President authorization to use military force against Iraq."
    22. Re:Even though I don't vote... by cheezedawg · · Score: 1

      My point is that prior to Vietnam a true declaration of war by Congress was the rule, and straying from this rule leads to bad things.
      Where are you getting your definition of what a "true" declaration of war consists of? It certainly isn't from the Constitution.

      Let's pretend it's 1808. Do you think that the Iraq war would be seen as constitutional? If not, then what has changed? Certainly not the Constitution.
      Of course it would be constitutional. Why wouldn't it be? Congress clearly authorized it, as they are tasked to do in Artical I Section 8.
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    23. Re:Even though I don't vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't vote, it had better be because you can not legally register to vote. Otherwise, you've decided not to vote for Ron Paul and you're just another part of the reason we're going to have either a giant douche or a turd sandwich in the White House next year.

    24. Re:Even though I don't vote... by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is extremely unlikely that whatever you're voting on will come to within 1 vote difference. Especially presidential elections with the electoral college, and most people living in a state like California, New York, or Texas.

      Frankly, for most people, voting certainly is a waste of time. But in the one in a zillion chance that your vote will actually determine something other than the margin of victory and extremely subtle message that makes, your vote is worthwhile.

      In fact, the fact that voter turnout is so low is an extremely positive thing! People piss and moan and bitch about how awful America is and how horrible the middle class has it here, but that's really absurd. Most people here are extremely well off, completely sated by delicious, cheap food and several TVs. In terms of what you can purchase, the poverty line is around 40 times richer than the poverty line 100 years ago.

      These people are too happy living their wonderful lives to be bothered to go down to the polls and register their disgust. Sure, many would agree than this nation is headed down the tubes if you asked them, but they don't really any faith in that view. It's just fashionable. When your kid starves, you have a reason to vote. When your kid is a little plump, hey! who cares?

      Sure, I'm not apathetic (and I do work on election campaigns), but I understand that low voter turnout = low interest in change.

      And frankly, that's a good thing. This enormous empire is a lot gentler than any historical power that could be compared with it, both to other nations and itself. The citizens live pretty long and good lives. Most of the people in jail are actually guilty of something stupid (usually drugs, sadly).

      Is there any reason to rise up and march? Yes, I think so, but we've actually made a lot of progress, and some people do not give a shit, for understandable reasons.

  14. short interview by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 1
    I'm glad that he has responded to slashdot, but I would have liked to see him answer a few more questions.

    I've been a fan of Ron Paul for a very long time. I voted for him 12 years ago in my high schools "mock election". He continues to support limited government in all aspects of our life, pretty much a polar opposite of Hillary and Obama.

    The main question I have for Ron regards education. We have slipped horribly by giving control of the school system to the government. Sure, our government isn't that bad. I can think of much worse governments out there. But, does it really matter? Why does the government decide what to teach our kids? Why do they decide whether to teach evolution or creation? Why do they decide where the children go for field trips? Why can't those decisions be given back to parents? Ron, what plan do you have to eliminate the government's role in education?

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    1. Re:short interview by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree here. We need to set a baseline that all Americans can be expected to know / perform. Some parents wouldn't even force their kids to learn basic math and reading, instead focusing on art. Its not a good idea.

      I'm all for having the parents pay for their kids schooling, but to say we shouldn't strive to get a certain level of capability from ALL schools is absurd.

    2. Re:short interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This country arguably became the greatest country in the world, spreading the largest middle class, and generally becoming the most prosperous in the world because of a single government program: the GI bill. This allowed us to have a huge educated middle class, all returning from war and wishing to start a new modern world. Without it I don't think that we would have had the same type of prosperity as our large middle class would not have been as highly educated because they simply could not afford the education at the time.

      And anyway most secondary schools are run at the local level, field trips are not chosen from federal programs. Get more involved with your local school if you want to make changes in the curriculum. I will agree though, No child left behind is a abomination designed to destroy the public school system and should be repealed.

    3. Re:short interview by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      We need to set a baseline that all Americans can be expected to know / perform. Why? What do you gain by trying to mold tens of thousands of children into a known quantity? Is your name John D. Rockefeller, by any chance?

      Some parents wouldn't even force their kids to learn basic math and reading, instead focusing on art. So what? Who are you to tell somebody else how to raise their kids?

      Its not a good idea./quote. In other words, you don't trust others with liberty. Zip up, pal; your elitism is showing.
    4. Re:short interview by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Why? What do you gain by trying to mold tens of thousands of children into a known quantity? Is your name John D. Rockefeller, by any chance?

      Well, do it your way and we have a large number of morons running around and we fall behind as a society, which leads out the collapse of our society. Oh wait, we have that now.. but your plan would simply accelerate ten-fold.

      So what? Who are you to tell somebody else how to raise their kids?

      When I have to live among their kids, I get a say. Besides, right now I'm PAYING for other peoples kids, so yes, that definately gives me a say today.

      If you want to go all the way, and eliminate all social programs then fine.

      In other words, you don't trust others with liberty. Zip up, pal; your elitism is showing.

      Why should I? Other's don't seem to trust me, so I need permission to be able to travel to work, modify my house and a host of other things.

      If you want to get rid of all that too, good. But I can't understand why you'd single out education.

    5. Re:short interview by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      Well, do it your way and we have a large number of morons running around and we fall behind as a society, which leads out the collapse of our society. Last time I checked, Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin didn't spend 12 years doing time in a modern American public school. In fact, the public schools in which you and I did time didn't exist until the late 19th century. They were created in imitation of Prussia's system, which was meant for one purpose: to create a uniform citizenry that would obey the government.

      Oh wait, we have that now.. but your plan would simply accelerate ten-fold. If American society is fucked, it is fucked because of hypocritical busybodies who want liberty for themselves, but don't trust "the masses" with it.

      When I have to live among their kids, I get a say. Besides, right now I'm PAYING for other peoples kids, so yes, that definitely gives me a say today. No, you don't, unless you want the family next door to have a say in your life when you do something they deem objectionable. As for paying for other kids' education: I don't think you should have to do that. I don't think I should have to do it either. Your kids are your problem; nobody else should be taxed to subsidize your inability to use contraceptives.

      Why should I? Other's don't seem to trust me, so I need permission to be able to travel to work, modify my house and a host of other things. If you want to get rid of all that too, good. Yes, I want to get rid of that shit. As long as nobody can prove that you're harming them or damaging their property, nobody should have a say in how you live your life or what you do with your property. You shouldn't even have to pay taxes; the money you earn is yours by right.

      But I can't understand why you'd single out education. It's hard to understand that I don't want to get modded down for being "Off-topic"?
    6. Re:short interview by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin didn't spend 12 years doing time in a modern American public school. In fact, the public schools in which you and I did time didn't exist until the late 19th century. They were created in imitation of Prussia's system, which was meant for one purpose: to create a uniform citizenry that would obey the government.

      Interesting you mention Thomas Jefferson.

      No, you don't, unless you want the family next door to have a say in your life when you do something they deem objectionable.

      We're not talking about something that's merely "objectionable." Stupid people invariably end up poor, and a good number of poor people end up as criminals. Also, what Jefferson had to say about public education, specifically that an uneducated person cannot hope to guard their own liberty. Given how stupid many Americans are today and what our government is up to, I have to think he was on to something.

      As for paying for other kids' education: I don't think you should have to do that. I don't think I should have to do it either. Your kids are your problem; nobody else should be taxed to subsidize your inability to use contraceptives.

      I agree with that; I don't really want as much say, other than you kids should be educated. Beyond that, I don't care. But that's not what we have today.

      Yes, I want to get rid of that shit. As long as nobody can prove that you're harming them or damaging their property, nobody should have a say in how you live your life or what you do with your property.

      I tend to agree with that, except that stupid people are harming my freedom, because they are stupid. Most reasonable, intelligent people don't support the knee-jerk reactions to 9/11. But look at who does..

      You shouldn't even have to pay taxes; the money you earn is yours by right

      Mostly agree, but how do you think we should build roads, a communications infrastructor, etc? Those things DO benefit the public good, its been proven already, so I feel for those limited projects taxes are necessary. Also, we do need to be able to raise an army, and we need money to pay judges and court clerks for example.. so unless you have another fair way of funding things like that, I think we have to live with some taxes.

      It's hard to understand that I don't want to get modded down for being "Off-topic"?

      Well all of the things we are talking about are wrapped in political debate, and Ron Paul talks about going back to the Constitution.. I fail to see how debating public policy (politics) on a political thread would be modded off-topic.

    7. Re:short interview by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      We're not talking about something that's merely "objectionable." Stupid people invariably end up poor, and a good number of poor people end up as criminals. Also, what Jefferson had to say about public education, specifically that an uneducated person cannot hope to guard their own liberty. Given how stupid many Americans are today and what our government is up to, I have to think he was on to something. Thomas Jefferson as right about ignorant people being unable to guard their liberty. He forgot to mention that the gap between education and schooling is so wide that Evel Knievel would have earned a billion dollars just for attempting to jump it.

      I tend to agree with that, except that stupid people are harming my freedom, because they are stupid. Most reasonable, intelligent people don't support the knee-jerk reactions to 9/11. But look at who does.. Considering that the US government's meddling set the stage for 9/11 in the first place, I'd suggest that the existence of government itself is a bigger problem than having idiots run the government.

      Mostly agree, but how do you think we should build roads, a communications infrastructor, etc? Those things DO benefit the public good, its been proven already, so I feel for those limited projects taxes are necessary. Also, we do need to be able to raise an army, and we need money to pay judges and court clerks for example.. so unless you have another fair way of funding things like that, I think we have to live with some taxes. I can't give a concise answer to these questions here on Slashdot. May I suggest reading the works of Ludwig von Mises, F.A. Hayek, Murray N. Rothbard, and Milton Friedman?

      Well all of the things we are talking about are wrapped in political debate, and Ron Paul talks about going back to the Constitution.. I fail to see how debating public policy (politics) on a political thread would be modded off-topic. Trusting a stranger armed with mod points is about as smart as trusting a stranger with a badge and a 9mm semi-automatic.
    8. Re:short interview by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Thomas Jefferson as right about ignorant people being unable to guard their liberty. He forgot to mention that the gap between education and schooling is so wide that Evel Knievel would have earned a billion dollars just for attempting to jump it.

      I see, so because the implementation may be broken, we scrap the idea. I'm glad that you, sitting here on /., are smarter than one of the Founders of this country. Tell me, what books have you written pondering liberty and freedom?

      Considering that the US government's meddling set the stage for 9/11 in the first place, I'd suggest that the existence of government itself is a bigger problem than having idiots run the government.

      Right again! Jefferson was wrong, we shouldn't have a government at all! Brilliant!

      I can't give a concise answer to these questions here on Slashdot. May I suggest reading the works of Ludwig von Mises, F.A. Hayek, Murray N. Rothbard, and Milton Friedman?

      Wow.. you can't even lay out the premise of the argument? If you can't even do that, I suggest you don't understand what those people were saying.

      Trusting a stranger armed with mod points is about as smart as trusting a stranger with a badge and a 9mm semi-automatic.

      Right, because /. karma matters in the slightest. Just a question; when do you plan to move out of your parents basement?

    9. Re:short interview by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I see, so because the implementation may be broken, we scrap the idea. I'm glad that you, sitting here on /., are smarter than one of the Founders of this country. The founders were human beings, not demigods. Care to prove to me ho

      Tell me, what books have you written pondering liberty and freedom? You first, friend. What books have you written. Let's see how big your dick is.
    10. Re:short interview by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      The founders were human beings, not demigods. Care to prove to me ho

      No one said they weren't, but I bet they put a lot more thought into it than you have. Honestly, is that the best point you can come up with now?

      You first, friend. What books have you written. Let's see how big your dick is.

      I'm not the one claiming I have thought things out more than a group of men that founded a new nation in an attempt to protect individual freedom. I've read what the founders wrote, and it makes sense and I think that's how we should be running things in this country.

      You on the other hand think we're better off with a bunch of uneducated morons running around that won't be able to take care of themselves.

    11. Re:short interview by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      You on the other hand think we're better off with a bunch of uneducated morons running around that won't be able to take care of themselves.

      We already have that, in case you haven't noticed. You never did address my point about the difference between schooling and education. Mark Twain knew not to let the former interfere with the latter. Do you?

      You can say a lot about young adults graduating from public school, and even from college, but I doubt you can call them 'well-educated'. I would know; I did my time in government-run schools. At best, they're 'well-schooled'. Most of them will do what they're told, as long as they consider the person telling them what to do to be a legitimate authority. They will go where they're told to go, and be there when they're told they're supposed to be there. That doesn't make them well-educated. It just makes them useful if you need compliant workers, or compliant taxpayers, or compliant consumers.

    12. Re:short interview by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      We already have that, in case you haven't noticed. You never did address my point about the difference between schooling and education. Mark Twain knew not to let the former interfere with the latter. Do you?

      I said that we do need changes, yes. My point is that eliminating public education as you propose is NOT the solution. The is the crux of our debate, not whether or not the current system needs fixing, but whether or not it should exist.

      You can say a lot about young adults graduating from public school, and even from college, but I doubt you can call them 'well-educated'. I would know; I did my time in government-run schools. At best, they're 'well-schooled'. Most of them will do what they're told, as long as they consider the person telling them what to do to be a legitimate authority. They will go where they're told to go, and be there when they're told they're supposed to be there. That doesn't make them well-educated. It just makes them useful if you need compliant workers, or compliant taxpayers, or compliant consumers.

      Its a shame your schools were crap; mine however I credit with instilling in that authority always needs to be questioned, that we shouldn't be blindly following. We were actually taught to think. So again, the schools you attended need work, and I'm sure many others do as well, but to say the system is so screwed we need to scrap it is ridiculous.

    13. Re:short interview by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      So again, the schools you attended need work, and I'm sure many others do as well, but to say the system is so screwed we need to scrap it is ridiculous. The schools are not screwed; for the most part they're working as designed . They are factories meant to take real boys and girls, and process them until they are nothing but puppets. You got lucky and had teachers that were human enough to teach you to think for yourself. I'm happy for you. Most kids in the US don't get that.
    14. Re:short interview by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Ya, some teacher writes a book no one has heard of and makes claims which no one can investigate without buying his book. Dude, take off your tinfoil hat. Unless you can show me some documentation that the schools are "designed" to brainwash. And then explain how my school and many others get away with bucking the supposed "design."

  15. I hate to be overly cynical, but by Lucas123 · · Score: 1

    the fact is that politicians don't respond to you unless it's in their interest (i.e. votes or notoriety) not the public's interest. That kind of constituent scorning only increases after they're elected. I'm very familiar with politicians in that I was a reporter for mainstream media for seven years before my current job with IT, and I learned the hard way that politicians rarely give anyone the time of day. They're mainly interested in garnering committee appointments for power's sake.

    1. Re:I hate to be overly cynical, but by bwalling · · Score: 1

      While this site might have as much readership as a major newspaper, if you look at the comments, you'll assume that the readership is largely made up of people that aren't old enough to vote.

    2. Re:I hate to be overly cynical, but by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      I can't decide if this is a troll or an astute observation. I'm leaning more towards troll. Yes there are some blatantly stupid posts (mostly trolls themselves), but if you're browsing comments at 0 or higher it filters a good deal of the noise and you're left with rather well thought out and articulated comments. Really I think it's one of the main reasons to even read slashdot, as the commentary is often more informative then the article in question.

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    3. Re:I hate to be overly cynical, but by bwalling · · Score: 1

      I can't decide if this is a troll or an astute observation.
      It's neither. It's a joke. There are plenty of decent comments among the juvenile comments. Really, the summaries have become more ridiculous than the comments lately.
  16. pundit envy^h^h^h^h lust by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The fact that you want to have sex with Ann Coulter is the main reason you're going to vote for Hillary Clinton is revealing of some deep psychological problem. You should get help.

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    1. Re:pundit envy^h^h^h^h lust by eln · · Score: 1

      You really shouldn't put the guy down just because he has some weird sexual proclivities. Guys with a fetish for pre-op transsexuals are people too, you know.

  17. Really? by wanerious · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So I suppose it's my fault for not checking this thread and modding these questions down, but come on. "Why can't I get a straight answer?" and an inflammatory question on marijuana? This is why the elected hold the masses in contempt. Then two questions about patents and IP, where one begs the question of a broken patent system (not that I disagree, but it's a lousy way to ask a question). Are these the best presidential questions dealing with science and technology we can come up with? I'd like to hear something about energy policy, science education, NSF funding, international collaborations for basic research, and so on.

    Just blowing off steam. Sheesh.

    1. Re:Really? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yeah, the questions could have been better. What's the point of a MaryJane question to someone with known Libertarian leanings?

      I would have liked a nuclear power question. Even Obama came out in favor of nuke power, or at least revisiting the current state of the art. Unfortunately, he'll tax me at a 99% rate to pay for it.

    2. Re:Really? by odigity · · Score: 1

      I've been following the campaign 24/7 for the last four months. I can probably answer any question and be at least 90% accurate to what Paul would have told you.

      1) Energy policy - free market, free trade. It's really not that complicated. He wouldn't be a tool of the oil industry, so we wouldn't be starting preemptive wars in the middle east to protect private oil companies' interests. We wouldn't be subsidizing corn for ethanol, which turns out to not be the best answer. Without subsidies, and without regulations, you have a level playing field with competition and price signals. This would result is the fastest emergence of the mass production of energy alternatives, better than the government ever could get by meddling. There's already tons of innovation happening right now in the private sector. Get out of their way!

      2) Science education - just because you think a program is a good thing, doesn't mean the Federal government has the authority to take money from citizens by force to pay for it. Science funding and education is not authorized in the constitution, and should not be performed by the Federal government (states still have the perogative, though). HOWEVER: This would be so absolutely at the bottom of the priority list for Paul as to be a non-issue.

      3) NSF funding - was rolled into question 2.

      4) International collaboration for basic research - what the fuck does this have to do with the federal government? This is the statism disease that is killing our country. Nowadays, anytime anyone thinks of anything that they want to see happen, their first instinct is to turn to the federal government. Come on... with free trade and free travel and free speech, educational and research institutes around the world are perfectly capable of working with each other. Hey, I work on projects with my neighbors sometimes, and it's not cause the FBI came down and talked is into it.

    3. Re:Really? by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, he'll tax me at a 99% rate to pay for it.

      Do you earn $100 Billion dollars a year? I think you could probably get by with only $1 Billion of those dollars.

      Obama (and Clinton and Edwards) actually have been vocal about fairer taxes for the middle class ($40-90k per year). Check the taxes for the years between 1930 and 1980 and notice the trend that has become of the "Top Bracket"). To think that the average person pays 2 hours out of every 8 hours of his or her workday (25%) to the federal government is kind of sad. Make it 1/8th for the average person and let people who have money for $3 Million houses and luxury yachts make up the difference.

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    4. Re:Really? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Oh jeebus get over yourself.

      Just look at the "candid" questions that the general public asks...

      "what do you like to do on your weekends?"

      "boxers or briefs?"

      "What kind of music do you like?"

      At least slashdotters have an average IQ that hovers 10 or so points higher than the general populace so that we do get some insightful questions.

      Compare your arguments against the masses that ask the above questions and think that American Idol is the best thing on TV and Myspace is oh so neat-o.

      Personally I wish the let me smoke pot question was more flushed out. It was presented in a "dude, I like to get high, will you let me dude?" sense instead of overing the real issues like medical uses, why is America crippled in hemp production, and yes recreational uses.

      Also the questions that were about foreign policy never were presented. But that fault is on the shoulders of Taco and his posse.

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    5. Re:Really? by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      Well, I think many of us take for granted that Slashdot's question selection process leaves a LOT to be desired.

    6. Re:Really? by lilomar · · Score: 1

      What's the point of a MaryJane question to someone with known Libertarian leanings?
      Don't forget, the thread these questions were taken from was called "Ask the Candidates" not "Ask Ron Paul". RP was the only one who answered. So, yes, the question has an obvious answer from a Libertarian, but the original poster probably wanted to know Obama's, Clinton's, McCain, Romney's, etc, opinions.
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    7. Re:Really? by bit+trollent · · Score: 1

      Did I just convince Ron Paul of the need for patent reform?

      While I do not have a plan for patent reform yet, I would want to work with Congress to make sure that the US patent system encourages and rewards innovation. Making sure the patent system is fair to small business and entrepreneurs, rewards the actual inventors of a product, and does not tilt the playing field to large corporations will be a priority in my administration's approach to patent law.

      Are you really going to denegrate a question which caused Ron Paul to take a position on an issue that he previously had no position on?

    8. Re:Really? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It looks to me like two of the most important things on slashdots mind is whether Ron Paul will make it easier for slashdotters to smoke substances that are currently illegal and whether Ron Paul will make it easier for slashdotters to obtain free music and software by means which are currently illegal.

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    9. Re:Really? by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      No kidding. And /. can't figure out why nobody answered their unsolicited questions. With questions like those, why bother?

    10. Re:Really? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      What was wrong with my marijuana question? This is a hugely important issue that no one talks about. Because of the War on Drug Users, the US imprisons more of it's population than any other country on earth. We waste insane amounts of money tracking down and imprisoning harmless people, people who could otherwise be contributing to the economy. As a pot smoker and a voter, why would my desire to keep my freedom encourage contempt from the elected?

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    11. Re:Really? by Flunitrazepam · · Score: 1

      Then two questions about patents and IP, where one begs the question of a broken patent system

      you meant "uses circular logic" begging the question means to raise the question, such as "which begs the question: is the patent system broken?"

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    12. Re:Really? by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 1

      Energy, Science Education, NSF Funding, Research?

      Is that all that concerns you?

      Frankly, I'd like to hear something new about Fiscal Policy, Foreign Policy, Social Policy, and so on, as well as Science Policy.

    13. Re:Really? by wanerious · · Score: 1

      What was wrong with my marijuana question? This is a hugely important issue that no one talks about. Because of the War on Drug Users, the US imprisons more of it's population than any other country on earth. We waste insane amounts of money tracking down and imprisoning harmless people, people who could otherwise be contributing to the economy. As a pot smoker and a voter, why would my desire to keep my freedom encourage contempt from the elected?

      Ok, you asked. The way you frame and phrase your questions and statements is irritatingly immature, manipulative, and narrowly concerned with your own self-interest. You implicitly assert that pot smokers are, as a group, harmless economic contributors. This is at least an inaccurate mischaracterization of a segment of society of which I have substantial anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Further, a very large majority of the populace would not be swayed to your position by this characterization, or even care to consider the argument. On the scale of problems facing our country today, your interest in not being punished for what has been agreed by society as a crime does not register as a serious attempt to improve our situation, nor should it have been chosen as a top 5 question on technology to probe the acumen of a presidential candidate. The bar should be a little higher. No pun intended.

      In general, we should applaud those who "desire to keep freedoms", but let's not get hyperbolic.

    14. Re:Really? by DrVomact · · Score: 1

      What, nobody asked about his position on pr0n?

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    15. Re:Really? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The way you frame and phrase your questions and statements is irritatingly immature, manipulative, and narrowly concerned with your own self-interest.

      I framed the question the way I did to elicit a response yes. It's easy enough to say pot smokers should go to jail when you don't know any. When you have an actual human being pleading for mercy, it's a lot harder. So yeah, I framed it in a manipulative way, but only because I knew the answers would be even more manipulative. And what's wrong with being concerned with my own self-interest? No one else is.

      You implicitly assert that pot smokers are, as a group, harmless economic contributors. This is at least an inaccurate mischaracterization of a segment of society of which I have substantial anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

      I don't know what your problem with pot smokers is, but it's pretty clear they're not harmful people. Maybe they don't work as hard as others do, but it still costs more to jail them than leave them alone. If they hurt people, jail them for that. Jailing all pot smokers because some of them hurt people is just barbaric.

      On the scale of problems facing our country today, your interest in not being punished for what has been agreed by society as a crime does not register as a serious attempt to improve our situation

      Are you kidding? Do you not realize the enormity of the drug war? It's an incredible drag on the economy having millions of people in jail. Legalizing marijuana would create a huge taxable industry overnight. Freeing non-violent drug offenders would release thousands of able-bodied people who are going to need to buy things, and who are going to need to work. Ending the drug war would be a far greater boon to our economy than any piddling tax rebate.

      And lets not forget how the candidates have overblown the entire issue of terrorism. More people are victims of their own government under the guise of the Drug War than are victims of terrorism. So on that scale, it makes much more sense to address the Drug war than the Terror war.

      So the War on Drug Users is a more important issue than both the War on Terror, and the economic stimulus package, which are the most talked about issues in this campaign right now. Can you blame me for trying to get people's attention?

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    16. Re:Really? by wanerious · · Score: 1

      you meant "uses circular logic" begging the question means to raise the question, such as "which begs the question: is the patent system broken?

      Yep, that's exactly what I had in mind --- begging that particular question, the answer to which is assumed.

    17. Re:Really? by wanerious · · Score: 1

      Energy, Science Education, NSF Funding, Research? Is that all that concerns you?

      Not remotely.

      Frankly, I'd like to hear something new about Fiscal Policy, Foreign Policy, Social Policy, and so on, as well as Science Policy.

      Me too, but the focus of the set of questions is supposed to be about science and technology.

    18. Re:Really? by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Hatta is right. It sounds like you are unaware of the widespread impact the drug war has had. If you think concern over prohibition is all about locking up poor addicts you need to do more reading before you debate the issue.

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    19. Re:Really? by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      On the scale of problems facing our country today, your interest in not being punished for what has been agreed by society as a crime... I'd argue that "society" has not agreed that smoking marijuana is a crime, or rather I should say should be a crime. If at this time there was a flat out poll, and everyone voted honestly, I'd bet more than 50% of the US population would be in favor of legalizing marijuana. Because of the way our legal system works with regard to drugs the government can make a drug illegal by simply shifting the category it's listed under, no new laws need to be voted on or passed. For the record, I personally do not smoke (anything), but I do know a lot of people that smoke either regularly, or occasionally.
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    20. Re:Really? by xhrit · · Score: 1

      > Further, a very large majority of the populace would not be swayed to your position by this characterization, or even care to consider the argument That wouldn't be the 60% majority that has smoked pot, would it?

    21. Re:Really? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      an inflammatory question on marijuana Light up and cool down, dude.
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    22. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The slashdotters that you are looking for are longer here in large numbers. For the most part, they have moved from the tree-house to a real house. Unfortunately, it shows.

  18. Tell em what they wanna hear! by Carson+Napier · · Score: 0

    This is classic political bullshit. They're just answering in a way that makes you think he's all about YOU! (rolls eyes)

    IF the others would respond, it would just be more of the same.

    Ron Paul... the spoiler vote for the republicans in 2008.
    Crap!

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  19. Doh! by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1

    And I'm overwhelmed by my inability to preview my own post, to see that Slashdot stripped out my 'sarcasm' tags!

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    1. Re:Doh! by EricWright · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't worry... the sarcasm came through loud and clear!

    2. Re:Doh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! Looks like your sarcasm tags were stripped out too.

  20. ron paul: the troll candidate by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Troll

    the story of the ron paul candidacy is the story of the legions of contrail conspiracists, racists, libertarians, alternative utopian fruitcakes, and other wildcard assorted crackpots on teh intarwebs banding together and choosing their representative. never before in american politics has such a force like the internet allowed such disparate trollish lunatic fringe voices to band together and coordinate their efforts

    long live the internet. allowing crackpot internet types to choose the troll candidate for presidency since 2007

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    1. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by anagama · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness there is no chance for Ron Paul to win. I mean, if he did win we might stop killing innocent people or borrowing ourself into a debt so deep we'll have to reneg on it and slip into 3d world status. Thank goodness we have the two major parties, MSM, and voters like you to ensure we ever get a candidate with a sense of reality, humanity, or responsibility.

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    2. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by berashith · · Score: 1

      Well, unfortunately for me there isn't a different choice for state's rights and limited government. These are the issues that I vote on, and quite frankly, the rest of the candidates are pathetic on them.

      I guess voting on the issues that I care about makes me a crackpot by association.

      Hopefully at some point the internet will allow enough people to band together to actually avoid electing a typical worthless puppet at some point in my life.

    3. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by Bazar · · Score: 1

      long live the internet. allowing crackpot internet types to choose the troll candidate for presidency since 2007 long live corporate media: deciding votes of the uninformed and easily swayed since 1948
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    4. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      long live corporate media: deciding votes of the uninformed and easily swayed since 1948

      So, armies of people spamming message boards with context-less, frequently illiterate support for Ron Paul is... what? It comes across like a lot of people trying to shout someone into office, since actually looking closely at his positions guarantees that he'll never make it.

      As in answers provided by his "campaign," above (gee, we wouldn't want anyone in his camp to be brave enough to say those are actually his words):

      America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world and worry more about its own national security interests

      This spectacularly naive, head-in-the-sand take on things is exactly why he'll never get anywhere. It is precisely in our own national security interests to generally support the defenses of our allies. Militarily weak allies get bullied by militarily stronger opponents. It's as simple as that. Either we support them financially, or we have to do the actual work with our own people, equipment, and supplies. Disengaging from those issues, as Ron Paul would us do, would just repeat the setup for conflict that we saw before WWII. This whole "no military involvement until it's pretty much too late" nonsense is ... nonsense. Dangerous, too. Would he prefer that Hugo Chavez, or China are the more important players in such scenarios? The world won't go away just because he wants it to.

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    5. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by eheldreth · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the non "trolls" have done so well these past few years!

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    6. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by pizzach · · Score: 1

      Sir, your smell of fear betrays you. You are no more than a cornered mouse striking out.

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    7. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      "never before in american politics has such a force like the internet allowed such disparate trollish lunatic fringe voices to band together and coordinate their efforts"

      What about the Democrat & Republican parties?

    8. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Even though I think you're a complete and utter idiot, whose comments I mod down whenever I have mod points on this stupid site, I have to put you on my "friends list" for that comment, cts.

    9. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by Bazar · · Score: 1
      So, armies of people spamming message boards with context-less, frequently illiterate support for Ron Paul is... what? It comes across like a lot of people trying to shout someone into office, since actually looking closely at his positions guarantees that he'll never make it. Don't knock the the internet just because of a few retards. There is plenty of information on the internet to gather facts about every candidate in the race. Just because there are a lot of ron paul supporters doesn't mean the internet is bad.

      I however cannot say the same about corporate media. The information you can gather from it is quite limited, often biased, and very hard to verify.

      Moving on, i also find it amusing how you can dictate world policy in just 1 sentence. But i'll point a few things out from what you said

      Disengaging from those issues, as Ron Paul would us do, would just repeat the setup for conflict that we saw before WWII. 1. Please explain how America's policy of attacking 3rd world nations have anything to do with stopping Germany in WW2. Germany was a 1st world nation that managed to occupy most of Europe in a matter of months. Germany and the Axis alliance isn't Iraq. Saying that your military policy would of stopped it is little more then wishful speculation.

      2. If Ron Paul was president, perhaps you would of avoided Vietnam. There are pros and cons both ways.

      3. America is bankrupting itself. It can't afford to keep up its military operations. Your already put yourselves into so much debt over this war that it'll be at least 2 generations before you can pay it off. Thats could be my daughter and my grandson, paying off a war that they weren't even alive in. 70 years of repayments, just so that we could snuff out a nation's government that was harmless.

      In the meantime the government is printing off paper devaluing the USD. The USD itself has no value, so if there is a run on the bank over the USD, the economy will collapse. America is slowly heading the way of the USSR. Thats what Russia USED to be called before it collapsed. I wonder what USA will be called if it continues...

      Believe what you will, one fact remains true, America needs to change its policies before the debt collectors are called in.
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    10. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      because there are a lot of ron paul supporters doesn't mean the internet is bad.

      Who said the internet is bad? I'm saying that many Ron Paul supporters are doing the equivalent of vandalizing public spaces in the name of their candidate. Says a lot about their mind set, and how shallow they are.

      Please explain how America's policy of attacking 3rd world nations have anything to do with stopping Germany in WW2

      Which third world nations would those be, exactly? Do you mean, working with many allies and with the blessings of the UN to route the Taliban out of Afghanistan? Afghanistan wasn't "attacked," but the cruel, medieval theocrats who were using it as a base of operations after they took it over by force were, themselves, removed by force. If the US simply wanted to "attack a third world nation," then that would be easy, cheap, and completely devestating. That you don't understand that shows, again, that your thinking on such matters is childish. The wahabbists, with millions of dollars to work with, who set up shop in Afghanistan to plan, train for, and execute mass killings in other countries were not just some local, third-world villagers.

      As for WWII... again, you're missing the point. If western Europe and its allies (the US) had acted before Germany had become the threat that it did (following WWI), there would have been millions of lives spared. Likewise with Japan. But back to your comment: what policy of attacking third world countries are you referring to?

      If Ron Paul was president, perhaps you would of avoided Vietnam

      And even more of Asia would look like North Korea, right now. Is that your preference? Since you're just plain wildly speculating, why not ask how Vietnam would have turned out if the presidents dealing with that conflict (which was really a conflict with the communist puppet masters behind the scenes, obviously) had decided that it was OK to actually fight and win the conflict? What if Reagan had been president then? Or Truman? It would have ended quickly, more violently, and in the long run, with many fewer lives lost.

      It can't afford to keep up its military operations

      Even while other countries fail to contribute what they've agreed to contribute in peace keeping missions. Who is it you're complaining about, exactly? The people actually doing the work, or the people who promise to help with logistics, money, and their own people, but then fail to do so?

      paying off a war that they weren't even alive in

      Just like WWII? The Germans are still paying for that. So are the Japanese. And so are all of the Allies that had to push them back from their aggression. Just like Saddam had to be pushed back from invading his neighbors. But unlike his WWII counterparts, he never honored the terms of his surrender, and they had to be enforced the hard way.

      just so that we could snuff out a nation's government that was harmless

      You have a very strange definition of "harmless." Do you suppose that the ditches filled with the people that regime wiped out would consider that to be harmless? The millions killed in the regional wars started by the Baathists? When the UN established no-fly zones over the northern and southern parts of that country to prevent him from continuing to slaughter more people basedon their tribal affiliation, would you consider that regime harmless for continually trying to shoot down the aircraft flying to enforce those UN sanctions? Or, do you only consider "harmless to Sunnis, especially from his own village" to be how you define "harmless?"

      The USD itself has no value

      No value? That's funny, you can exchange it anywhere in the world, and it's still the single currency that you're most likely to be able to USE anywhere in the world if you must.

      America needs to change its policies before the debt collectors are called in

      And, who would that be, exactly?

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    11. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by Bazar · · Score: 1

      If western Europe and its allies (the US) had acted before Germany had become the threat that it did (following WWI), there would have been millions of lives spared. Likewise with Japan. But back to your comment: what policy of attacking third world countries are you referring to?

      I'm not talking about Afghanistan when i talk about 3rd world nations. I'm referring to Iraq. And what looks like a growing cause for Iran too.

      Heres a little historic background, just so you know one of the first causes of WW2.

      In the beginning of 1923 the French invaded Germany, occupied the Ruhr
      district and seized several German towns in the Rhineland. This was a
      flagrant breach of international law and was protested against by every
      section of British political opinion at that time. The Germans could not
      effectively defend themselves, as they had been already disarmed under
      the provisions of the Versailles Treaty. To make the situation more
      fraught with disaster for Germany, and therefore more appalling in its
      prospect, the French carried on an intensive propaganda for the
      separation of the Rhineland from the German Republic and the
      establishment of an independent Rhenania. Money was poured out lavishly
      to bribe agitators to carry on this work, and some of the most insidious
      elements of the German population became active in the pay of the
      invader. At the same time a vigorous movement was being carried on in
      Bavaria for the secession of that country and the establishment of an
      independent Catholic monarchy there, under vassalage to France, as
      Napoleon had done when he made Maximilian the first King of Bavaria in
      1805.

      There was a reason why Germany armed itself. Before you start pointing the finger at them, calling them evil, and proclaiming that if we snuffed them out again, that justice would of been served, you should take a look towards the French for their actions. The Germans arming themselves in reaction to their flagrant violations of international law seems quite justified.

      And even more of Asia would look like North Korea, right now. Is that your preference? Since you're just plain wildly speculating

      I am wildly speculating, i thought I'd try and match you with your opinions on how the world would of turned out if it was policed...

      Even while other countries fail to contribute what they've agreed to contribute in peace keeping missions. Who is it you're complaining about, exactly?

      I'm complaining about the budget. I don't care what other nations have agreed to, this is about America. Wars have a financial cost involved with them, Afghanistan and Iraq are bankrupting the country.

      But unlike his WWII counterparts, he never honored the terms of his surrender, and they had to be enforced the hard way.

      Unlike the French, which invaded Germany
      Lets not forget the Treaty of Versailles ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles#Treaty_violations )
      Or then theres also the Washington Naval Treaty, which i believe the French, British, Americans, as well as Germany and Japan might of broken pre WW2. (hard to dig up solid facts on that one)

      But lets not get history in the way of modern events

      You have a very strange definition of "harmless." Do you suppose that the ditches filled with the people that regime wiped out would consider that to be harmless? The millions killed in the regional wars started by the Baathists? When the UN established no-fly zones over the northern and southern parts of that country to prevent him from continuing to slaughter more people basedon their tribal affiliation, would you consider that regime harmless for continually trying to shoot down the aircraft flying to enforce those UN sanctions? Or, do you only consider "harmless to Sunnis, especially from his own village" to be how you define "harmless?"

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    12. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      your opinions on how the world would of turned out if it was policed

      You're confusing "policed" with "not destabilized by murderous tyrants with scuds, one of the largest standing in the armies in the world, a habit of ethnic cleansing and invading neighboring countries, shooting at UN-sanctions-enforcing aircraft, not coming clean on what they did with tons of VX nerve gas, regularly making comments about wiping other countries off the map... and, sitting on, next to, and in a position to disrupt the commerce in something that is still fundamental to the functioning and prosperity of the entire world."

      Was the world "policed" when Japan's territory and resource grab, combined with mammoth doses of raced-based cruelty and murder (a la Saddam, actually), was shut down through a huge war effort? Is it "policed" now that that episode is decades in the past, after a long-term occupation with governorship, infrastructure rebuilding, and overhaul of their form of government, winding up with democracy? If you think that's policing, but the result is a country like modern Japan, or today's Germany, then sure, let's use that word. Since the results speak for themselves, no matter how you mis-use the word.

      I meant harmless to America

      How is a guy like Saddam, who repeatedly made attempts to expand - through violence, extortion, mass murder, terrorist-funding, etc - his influence and control throughout a part of the world that's important to the entire world's economy harmless to anyone? The US is part of "everyone," you know? As are all of the countries that worked to push him back into his borders, and at whom he has his troops continue to shoot for years as they attempted to enforce the sanctions to which he agreed - but never met (except by appearance in some cases, as a way to scrape cash out of the UN's oil-for-food program).

      they invaded because of weapons of mass destruction, so they said

      Just like the intel depts of every other country that has a facility to determine that. Not like it was mysterious, of course, since he was making and testing long range missiles, and was known to have very large stockpiles of chemical weapons (what part of that is so hard to follow, exactly, anyway?).

      They were not authorized to invade to protect the Sunnis.

      What are you talking about? Saddam was the one protecting the Sunnis, and using his military on his non-Sunni countrymen to preserve his tribe's power.

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    13. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by Bazar · · Score: 1
      I'm not confusing anything.

      Iraq was not a threat to America. It did not have the offensive capability when it was invaded.
      Saddam could be Satan himself, roasting iraq childen on a spit, and that fact would not change.

      Iraq was not America's war.
      By invading Iraq, you were either "policing the world", or warmongering. I'll let you choose.

      Was the world "policed" when Japan's territory and resource grab

      That was a war you were directly involved in. Don't mistake wars that are unavoidable, and wars that are though policing.

      If you think that's policing, but the result is a country like modern Japan, or today's Germany, then sure, let's use that word. Since the results speak for themselves, no matter how you mis-use the word.

      Germany was both a 1st world nation and a democracy before WW2, although the American's helped rebuild it, they did not forge it.
      Japan was a success in transforming the country to a democracy. Although i am uncertain on how the reform came about, I'm certain that a large degree came from the populace wanting change away from their emperor due to the tragic outcome of the war, started by their emperor.

      Its debatable if an democracy can be forcefully installed if the populace isn't willing. Also for the success they had in Japan, we can also take a look at Afghanistan to see thei potential failures.
      There is also the fact that the attempt in Iraq has only fragmented the country into 3 "factions", and is an unstable government. The outcome of the efforts in iraq are yet to be determined, and if another civil war is to occur.

      So to call that the results justify the means, when you've had 1 success, 1 failure, and 1 undesided is pretty gun-ho, and perhaps irresponsible.

      How is a guy like Saddam, who repeatedly made attempts to expand - through violence, extortion, mass murder, terrorist-funding, etc - his influence and control throughout a part of the world that's important to the entire world's economy harmless to anyone?

      I said harmless to AMERICA. Oh wait, its harmful to America's economy, i see what you mean, well thats different. Obviously if a foreign country wants to control their oil, thats a moral reason to invade them.

      Just like the intel depts of every other country that has a facility to determine that. Not like it was mysterious, of course, since he was making and testing long range missiles, and was known to have very large stockpiles of chemical weapons (what part of that is so hard to follow, exactly, anyway?).

      What a load of crap.
      America and Bush went ON AND ON AND ON AND ON about how they had definitive proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. But ALL of it was too secret to reveal to anyone. For weeks they went on about it, spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt into the peoples minds about Iraq.

      What on earth do other nations intel have to do with anything. Your goverment said that they had definitive proof, so why should what other nations think matter, and how could other nations disprove that which they couldn't, and you wouldn't talk about.
      And where were these WoMD anyway? You did have definitive proof didn't you?
      I sure hope America didn't didn't just spread FUD to the populace so you could invade a nation with minimal internal resistance... On an election year no less.

      They were not authorized to invade to protect the Sunnis.

      Sunnis, whatever, America was not authorized by congress to protect the civilians by military means, restating their plight over and over doesn't change the legality of invading Iraq, it only gives a contradiction in their actions over why America isn't doing anything about other nations plights

      Anyway, i don't particularity care to continue this debate. You believe that policing the world is both smart, morally correct, and even affordable.
      The fact remains that history is yet to prove you right on any of those matters. Iraq

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    14. Re:ron paul: the troll candidate by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      America and Bush went ON AND ON AND ON AND ON about how they had definitive proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

      I'm not talking about US assertions. I'm talking about the actual nerve gas that Saddam used, many times, on Iran and on his own people. UN inspectors in the country following Saddam's attack on and invasion of Kuwait found many such stockpiles (don't you pay attention at all?). Much of it was destroyed. The inspectors found records and much evidence that there was a LOT of VX and other very, very nasty stuff unaccounted for. YEARS went by while Saddam refused to account for it. Considerable truck traffic to Syria jumped up in frequency as more pressure was put on that very topic. UN inspectors were run out of facilities at gunpoint when they showed up - in accordance with the surrender that Saddam signed - to follow up on leads along these lines. I'm sure it's convenient to ignore that history, which was playing out while Saddam was actively shooting anti-aircraft weapons at aircraft patroling the no-fly zones to which he agreed, also as part of his kicked-out-of-Kuwait surrender. You know, shooting? With missles and heavy guns? For YEARS?

      You did have definitive proof didn't you?

      Actually, that was the UN inspectors.

      Oh wait, its harmful to America's economy

      Yes, having your people killed in spectacular terrorist attacks that destroy thousands of lives DOES tend to impact your economy, and how you conduct your international affairs. So, the people who were harboring those that conducted that attack, and the organization that they were friendly to, were deprived of their playground in Afghanistan. Much of that organization wandered into Pakistan. Some of it was already in touch with Iraq, and starting to fish around in that country for indirect support. Saddam, of course, openly praised bombers, and made a large display of sending $50,000 to the families of successful suicide bombers. Saddam was a regular trafficker in weapons, including long range missles (remember the ones he lobbed at Israel as he was getting routed from Kuwait?) and had considerable ties with Baathists in Syria - also a major hub for weapons from Iran, and supplier to well-oiled terrorist organizations throughout the middle east. Saddam's regime was well and truly tangled up in all of that, and with Al Queda having miscalculated the longevity of its comfort zone in Afghanistan - but still flush with cash (which Saddam always needed, despite how much he was stealing from the UN during the sanctions) - Iraq was quickly shaping up as a time bomb. Combine that with Saddam throwing out the weapons inspectors, and with intelligence from many sources indicating his interest in more WMD production and a place in the local market to sell them - all while still firing weapons at the UN-provided troops patrolling his borders... and you have a lot more than "harmless to the US." And a lot more than harmless to neighboring countries friendlier to western civilization, like Jordan, or Turkey.

      You believe that policing the world is both smart, morally correct, and even affordable

      No, I believe that you have to prevent people like Saddam from repeating his long history of lethal lashing out, especially in the context of his proximity to just-displaced Al Queda, and his increasing hunger for cash and military trade with places like North Korea, now a country with nukes. If Saddam ever had actually honored the terms of his surrender after attacking yet another neighboring country, he would have actually been on track back to a productivity-based place in the world, rather than the Stalinist mode that he preferred. And I don't believe it's affordable - it's just more affordable than the alternatives.

      Sunnis, whatever

      Way to show your awareness of the situation!

      Its debatable if an democracy can be forcefully installed if the populace isn't willing

      Well, good thing, then, that millions of Iraqis n

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  21. And? by Foolicious · · Score: 1

    None of the answers say anything. And the questions are stupid; are these issues really the most important things to slashdot readers? I'd just love to have one debate/interview here that didn't involve, whatever your position, a pot question. Anyhow, Paul's answers are no different than any other politicians. This was, is and will be a waste of time. Now brace yourselves for a flurry of bumper sticker vandals hijacking the thread.

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    1. Re:And? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      I'd just love to have one debate/interview here that didn't involve, whatever your position, a pot question


      When you consider it is essentially the biggest revolution in history (i.e. people knowingly breaking the law in a loosely combined effort), I feel it SHOULD be in every debate/interview that deals with politics.

      Not to mention the standard arguments why it should be legalized (taxes, safety, less people in prison for growing/smoking a PLANT, medical use, traffic accidents compared to alcohol, etc.)

      It's just like Bill Hicks said when he was talking about how god made pot. "Let's see...everything looks good. Wait...oh my god...I left fuckin' pot everywhere!"
    2. Re:And? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      His answer about Marijuana was very straight-forward, unlike some others running for president

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    3. Re:And? by Surt · · Score: 1

      Of course, if you're going to legalize it on the 'PLANT' basis, all of the poppy fans will have to get their way too. Probably better to argue on the 'harmless' basis.

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    4. Re:And? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      I know, and I agree. All natural-based drugs (plants/fungi/etc) should be made legal. Heroin is a terrible drug, but people are going to do it whether it is illegal or legal.

      Would you rather those billions of dollars a year go to the middle east (more specifically, Afghanistan, who accounts for roughly 90% of the world's poppy production) or staying in the US in the form of taxes and into the pockets of American farmers?

      Yeah. I thought so.

    5. Re:And? by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think the illegal downloading of music has surpassed the smoking of pot by an order of magnitude or two.

      Forget the war on drugs...everyone knows the new millenial war is the "War on Downloads"

    6. Re:And? by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think the illegal downloading of music has surpassed the smoking of pot by an order of magnitude or two.

      Forget the war on drugs...everyone knows the new millenial war is the "War on Downloads" Maybe 10 years ago, but illegal downloads aren't that big an issue outside the BS the media companies pump out to justify their legal and political campaigns (not to say those campaigns aren't a big problem, our copyright and patent systems need reform badly). I personally know more people that smoke pot then people who download movies and music illegally. The same could not be said 10 years ago of course, but things have changed and with workable (or enough for people to not care) systems like iTunes in place, a good percentage of downloads are done legally.
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  22. Opportunity to make voice heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These were good questions and it is a shame that most of the candidates (or at least their staff) did not make an effort to respond to them. An easy way to express outrage is to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Write him in if you have to. It probably won't affect the outcome, but a surge in votes for Ron Paul will give future candidates an incentive to be more responsive to requests from alternative sources of media.

  23. maybe slashdot should contact the candidates again by King+Gabey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Except this time, make it clear how many subscribers are actively reading slashdot. Instead of some crackpot geek site they'll see it as a forum for a significant amount of voters. Or maybe they just don't think geeks vote :)

  24. Ru Paul!!! by panda · · Score: 1

    To heck with this Ron Paul guy. I want Ru Paul for President!

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    1. Re:Ru Paul!!! by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      On second thoughts, maybe I'd prefer Ron Jeremy

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  25. Unfortunately ... by CycleFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is highly unlikely then Ron Paul will win the Republican nomination. This is unfortunate because he is an extremely smart man who is consistent in his policies. His voting history carries this out. Not only that, be he is the only candidate that seems to have a solid understanding of sound economic fiscal policy.

    Even more unfortunate, we will soon be left with elections that are exactly as they have been in the past: A choice between the lesser of two evils.

    Tell me, of the 4 front-runners (Clinton, Obama, Romney, McCain), who deserves your vote? The answer is: None of the above.

    [ exhale a sigh of desperation ]

    1. Re:Unfortunately ... by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 1

      Even more unfortunate, we will soon be left with elections that are exactly as they have been in the past: A choice between the lesser of two evils. Wait, wait, I missed something. When did they removed the 'Write-in' line?
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    2. Re:Unfortunately ... by anagama · · Score: 1

      I'm not voting "lesser of evils" anymore. If RP isn't running, there will certainly be a libertarian candidate. Of course the libertarian won't win, but if I vote for someone I hate, I'm wasting my vote. Given the choice of wasting my vote for someone I hate, or for someone I like a bit, on this particular lesser of evils situation, I'll chose wasting my vote on the person I like.

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    3. Re:Unfortunately ... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      Vote for scum - everyone else does!

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    4. Re:Unfortunately ... by darjen · · Score: 1

      If you feel you must vote, why not write yourself in, rather than choosing between people you don't like?

    5. Re:Unfortunately ... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If people don't like any of the candidates, they should vote third party. The up shot of this is that if this happens in any quantity, it can scare the winning candidates into behaving a little more responsibly.

    6. Re:Unfortunately ... by director_mr · · Score: 1

      The reason Ron Paul will not win the Republican nomination is that he doesn't hold political views that agree with most people in the Republican party. Nor does he hold views that agree with the Democrat party. So he is basically out of the mainstream. I hate to break it to you Slashdotters, but you also are out of the mainstream. Most people will not agree with you or enact policies you espouse in many different situations. Deal with it. I know I've come to terms with it.

      As to other people whining because the candidates didn't answer your questions, look at the questions. Will average people on the street be really concerned with a)India and China having a space program b)If people on Slashdot think other people believe slashdotters want people in office who are deliberately trying to deceive them (by the way that was the weirdest question ever) c)Marijuana for the masses d)Fair Use and Technology (actually this may be a topic that interests many people) e)Patent law ?

      I would suspect other things would be of more concern to them.

    7. Re:Unfortunately ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Clinton hates video games. And Romney just creeps me out, more than Huckabee even. So at least the choice (for me) is clear on both sides...

    8. Re:Unfortunately ... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Bingo! I don't expect Ron Paul to get the nomination, but I still voted for him, and when we end up with Hilary vs McCain, I'm going to vote Libertarian. Maybe if enough people do that, the winner will at least pretend to be pro-freedom.

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    9. Re:Unfortunately ... by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If people don't like any of the candidates, they should vote third party. The up shot of this is that if this happens in any quantity, it can scare the winning candidates into behaving a little more responsibly. Unfortunately because of the party politics the politicians spin it as a vote for third party allows the other party to win. Then everybody basically says "I'm not going to vote third party because I'm a [x] and voting third party will just split our party and mean that [y] will win." so you still end up with only 2 real options, but now one of those options is effectively and anti-vote for whatever party you would otherwise be voting for without really having an effect on the other parties. If a large percentage of one party votes third party, then all that happens is that party gets angry and blames everyone that voted third party for "costing them the election".
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    10. Re:Unfortunately ... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      You seem to be having a different discussion than what is happening in this thread. Follow it up a couple of levels, and you'll see that your response makes no sense.

    11. Re:Unfortunately ... by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      Ok, I kind of see your point. You're coming from the perspective of "It doesn't matter which of these two makes it in, I'll be equally upset either way. So I'll vote for this guy who has no chance in hell on the off chance the winner notices this guy got a few votes". I was interpreting it more along the lines of "I really hate this guy, and I'm not particularly happy about this other guy, but the guy I really like has no chance of winning. So should I vote for the guy I don't like all that much so that the guy I really hate can't win, or should I vote for the one I really like and risk handing the election to the guy I really hate?"

      Voting third party like that really only works if you actually don't care at all which of the two main parties wins the election.

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    12. Re:Unfortunately ... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Now your getting it. Of course you don't have to vote for someone you like in this case, since he isn't going to win anyway. The idea is that you want the two main parties to see the third party as a group they want to woo.

      There are a lot of people who hate both candidates equally. There are a lot of people that are not voting at all out of some kind of protest. If these people would vote, and vote third party, they can have an influence on the candidate that wins. Heck, there are even people that don't know anything about any of the candidates, but go and vote anyway because they have been told that they are supposed to vote even if they don't have an opinion. Include that group as well.

      I am still convinced that Bill Clinton did a better job as president than he would have if Ross Perot had not scared him.

    13. Re:Unfortunately ... by Rakarra · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, most people want a leader. Most people want to delegate the responsibility of thinking onto another person, so that when the shit hits the fan they can say, "Don't blame me, I was just following orders."

      Isn't that sortof the logical outcome of a representative democracy, though?

  26. Sheesh by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1, Informative

    Five questions, and you waste one on, "Have you stopped beating your wife", I mean, "Why do you lie to us", I mean, "why can't I get a straight answer"?

    What do you expect the candidate to say? All the questions were pretty sucky, IMO.

    It being Ron Paul, I wish one of the questions was, "How can you, as a doctor, be a evolution denier? And will you, once President, have a scientist explain what a theory is?

    We wouldn't allow a person who believes in a flat earth to become President. We wouldn't allow a holocaust denier to become President. Why would we allow an evolution denier to become President?

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    1. Re:Sheesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we already did?

    2. Re:Sheesh by edsousa · · Score: 1

      We wouldn't allow a person who believes in a flat earth to become President. We wouldn't allow a holocaust denier to become President. Why would we allow an evolution denier to become President? Do you know what a theory is? Flat earth is not a theory, holocaust is not a theory. Those can't be denied. Evolution IS a theory. Anyone is free to deny a theory until (and if) proven and not be judged for it.
    3. Re:Sheesh by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      Do you know what a theory is? Flat earth is not a theory, holocaust is not a theory. Those can't be denied.

      I didn't actually say they were theories; they are actually more properly hypotheses. But while the round earth hypothesis isn't typically denied, the holocaust is denied all the time (someone was put in jail over it in Europe, as a matter of fact).

      Anyone is free to deny a theory until (and if) proven...

      Of course, anyone is free to think anything they want (except in Europe, where you can be put in jail for it). But that doesn't mean they're not totally wrong. And, theories are never "proven", they can only be disproven. You can only look at the body of evidence (gigantic, in the case of evolution).

      ...and not be judged for it.

      Likewise, I'm free to judge anyone I want if I think what they believe is ludicrous, such as denying the holocaust and denying evolution.

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    4. Re:Sheesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm free to judge anyone I want if I think what they believe is ludicrous
      Like this one time... I was asked to be a celebrity judge of Mr. Gay U.S.

      I said "Fine! He's a pervert, disgrace to his family and abomination against God..."
    5. Re:Sheesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can only look at the body of evidence (gigantic, in the case of evolution).

      Please, show me the gigantic bodies of evidence of one species evolving into another. The elusive transitional fossil. Why, we should have 1000's of them but it seems they are in hiding. I know, we should have "faith" that they are there and we will find them O.o The more I read /. the easier it is to believe that we evolved from some primordal stew.

    6. Re:Sheesh by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      Please, show me the gigantic bodies of evidence of one species evolving into another. The elusive transitional fossil.

      *sigh* I'll give you the link, but I doubt you will really read it and accept it. See the fifth question.

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    7. Re:Sheesh by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Start with http://talkorigins.org/ . You know, to gain knowledge, you have to actually pursue it, rather than sitting around and aping an idiotic position out of sheer ignorance.

      You could also try a library.

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    8. Re:Sheesh by PietjeJantje · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only is this absolutely true, the worst part is Ron Paul supporters are very active on the Internet trying to shut up everyone pointing this out and twisting the truth. This so called democratic question-answer debate is just an example: it won't touch the subject to start with like we're morons, people who touched it are voted down as "trolls". Personally I think if you proclaim you don't believe in evolution than that's a troll right there of huge proportions. Still, after his admission I haven't got a single question left for Mr. Ron Paul. Just as I have no questions for some candidate who denies the earth is flat. Silencing that fact down is just pure madness and turns Ron Paul into just any candidate. Twisting and spinning and as insane as the guy who thinks the earth is flat. It just doesn't seem to be a small point you should try to silence. This man wants to be your president for gods sake. P.S. Dismissing the evolution theory as just a "theory" different from "the earth is flat" is just plain ignorance, and exactly a repeat of the earth is flat supporters. Read up on Richard Dawkins or something, but just guessing is plain ignorance.

    9. Re:Sheesh by PietjeJantje · · Score: 1

      > denies the earth is flat

      Uhm... Ah well ;) lol

    10. Re:Sheesh by gangien · · Score: 1

      Personally I think if you proclaim you don't believe in evolution than that's a troll right there of huge proportions.

      really? so it's so locked down and proven to be that we all evolved from monkeys right? Or whatever? COuld we have evolved from monkeys? sure. It would make sense. But it's not much better than saying God made us.

      P.S. Dismissing the evolution theory as just a "theory" different from "the earth is flat" is just plain ignorance, and exactly a repeat of the earth is flat supporters

      We can prove mathematically the earth is roundish, we can prove it by riding around the world, we can prove it by taking pictures. Not so with Evolution. You have a bunch of pieces of knowledge, and you can make them sort of fit together in 1 way. This is not bad, this is science, it's good. But it is not close to being beyond a theory.

      You keep being close minded and making blind assumptions about our past and calling other ignorant though.

    11. Re:Sheesh by PietjeJantje · · Score: 1

      We can prove mathematically the earth is roundish, we can prove it by riding around the world, we can prove it by taking pictures. Not so with Evolution. You have a bunch of pieces of knowledge, and you can make them sort of fit together in 1 way. This is not bad, this is science, it's good. But it is not close to being beyond a theory.

      Bullocks. This is general yada yada. Now be a man, start with Dawkins' The Selfish Gene, and disproof his points. But you won't. As you can't. But then don't give us this yada yada. Again, you are uninformed, and proud of it?! Most funny about persons like you is that paradoxically you're probably a religious person. Now there's an unproven concept, which they of course won't touch. Hello? Why not first proof your god, and then attack scientists instead of the other way round? You must be proud to know that persons like you used the same arguments to laugh away the round earth concept - not close to being beyond a theory and blasphemy. Sir, you haven't escaped the Middle Ages yet, and are loudly proclaiming it.

    12. Re:Sheesh by gangien · · Score: 1

      Could you do much more than call me names? i guess not. You just call people names who don't agree with you, then you make wild assumptions about them. Good job.

      Let me make it simple. can you provide any proof of where we came from? nope. All you can provide is a good story about why it could be, that we share an ancestor with monkeys. It's similar to a murder scene where you can provide a good story that person X did it, but you can't really prove it. It would just make sense. But guess what? lots of other explanations could make sense, that you haven't thought of.

  27. Dissapointment by explosivejared · · Score: 1

    Not to say that I had high hopes anyways, and maybe I haven't been here long enough (c. 2005), but this the most dissapointing interview I've seen. There is so little content to each answer. This has just reinforced to me that the whole of Ron Paul's plan has evolved to little more than shouting "THE CONSTITUTION" and "LESS GOVERNMENT" every chance he gets. He was actually the only one that I figured would respond, as his base is most active on the web. I had hope for him. But now, I really feel a no response would have been better.

    Making sure the patent system is fair to small business and entrepreneurs, rewards the actual inventors of a product, and does not tilt the playing field to large corporations will be a priority in my administration's approach to patent law.
     
    So what? How does that translate into policy?! He espouses "straight answers" and then gives a completely ambgiuous one in the same interview.

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    1. Re:Dissapointment by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

      He admitted he doesn't know, what more do you want? When he couldn't give you an actual policy he instead gave you the guiding philosophy that would shape that policy to try to answer the question anyway.

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  28. More of the Same by humphrm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More non-answers from a guy who claims to be running on a "not more of the same" platform.

    For instance:

    Quote:
    2) Why Can't I Get a Straight Answer?

    Ron Paul campaign:
    The American people should expect clear and direct answers to their questions.

    3) Marijuana : My question is this: Do you believe I belong in jail? If so, why? If not, what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?

    Ron Paul campaign:
    I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws. /Quote

    Does anyone else think that Answer #2 conflicts with Answer #3? Did he just not answer the guy's direct question? (i.e. "what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?")

    Another non-answer: "As president, I will seek a balance between the interest of copyright holders and consumers of digital media. "

    I must say, after all the hoopla about this guy being a "real candidate", I'm not impressed. He sounds like more of the same to me.

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    1. Re:More of the Same by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I must say, after all the hoopla about this guy being a "real candidate", I'm not impressed. He sounds like more of the same to me.


      With the subtle difference that he's barking mad.
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    2. Re:More of the Same by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      Does anyone else think that Answer #2 conflicts with Answer #3? Did he just not answer the guy's direct question? (i.e. "what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?")

      First of all, both of those questions were pretty stupid. What do you want him to say to #2, that Americans can't handle the truth? As for the other one, I think it's pretty clear and specific. He's not going to protect stoners in any way other than making drugs a state issue. Whether he thinks the "dirty hippies" belong in jail or not is irrelevant.

      I'm not a crazy RP supporter, so I'll admit that the copyright answer is pretty weak.
    3. Re:More of the Same by Surt · · Score: 1

      How is that a difference?

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    4. Re:More of the Same by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      No federal laws means your state's laws would determine legality/illegality of your actions. In Tennessee, you might get busted, in California, it would be legal and sold in Whole Foods or something. That's about the straightest answer you'll get from any pol on any subject. Drug policy is mostly a federal effort, so repealing federal drug laws means, "no, I would repeal the laws that put you there."

      4 and 5 are tricky to answer straight (and I agree were not straight answers) because unless you're Dr. Lessig, you probably haven't put nearly enough thought into the issue to give a fair, straight answer and you're going to need at least two experts, or a two handed economist, to lay out the issues.

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    5. Re:More of the Same by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The other guys are just cynical panderers out to con voters into believing that they have the secret recipe to domestic tranquility and foreign policy success. Ron Paul and his gang of swirly-eyed supporters are really dangerous because they believe their own hype.

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    6. Re:More of the Same by segfault_0 · · Score: 1

      He puts himself in the republican debates saying things that are incomprehensible to the average republican, puts himself up for derision and mockery, says things that will almost certainly not get him elected because he thinks they are right and believes in the constitution. More of the same? Nonsense.

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    7. Re:More of the Same by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      3) Marijuana : My question is this: Do you believe I belong in jail? If so, why? If not, what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?

      Ron Paul campaign:
      I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws. Did he just not answer the guy's direct question? (i.e. "what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?") "Do you believe I belong in jail?" / "I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana"
      That answers that.

      "what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?" / "oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws."
      And that answers that.

      What more do you want? Pages and pages of detailed bureaucratic procedures?
      No he doesn't think it should be a crime, and he intends to let the states deal with it on their own.
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  29. What exactly do you mean? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    The main question I have for Ron regards education. We have slipped horribly by giving control of the school system to the government. Sure, our government isn't that bad. I can think of much worse governments out there. But, does it really matter? Why does the government decide what to teach our kids? Why do they decide whether to teach evolution or creation? Why do they decide where the children go for field trips? Why can't those decisions be given back to parents? Ron, what plan do you have to eliminate the government's role in education?

    I'd like to know what you mean by eliminating the government's role in education. Are you only talking about abolishing the Federal Department of Education? Or do you also want to see compulsory attendance laws and child labor laws repealed, and public schooling abolished?

    1. Re:What exactly do you mean? by altinos.com · · Score: 1

      I personally would like to see the Federal government get out of the education business, and leave it up to the States and local governments. I believe Ron Paul's views are similar to mine on this.

  30. Trolling for suckers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that you want to have sex with Ann Coulter is the main reason you're going to vote for Hillary Clinton is revealing of some deep psychological problem. You should get help. You've been trolled.
  31. Libertarians don't force gravity on others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If two things wish to have gravity with each other, such as say the Earth and the Moon, that is fine. However, if you choose not to enter into a gravity contract with the Earth, you will be free of gravity under the Ron Paul administration.

    Now, do you see why gravity is no longer a barrier to space flight?

  32. Maybe they figure our votes aren't worth much by tompaulco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe they figure our votes aren't worth much or that hardly any of us vote.
    I know this story is slanted such that we are supposed to feel that only Ron Paul cares enough about us to actually respond, but the truth of the matter is that despite slashdot's large readership, a significant fraction of the readership is not eligible to vote in U.S. elections, whereas large U.S. newspapers can boast a much larger percentage of eligible U.S. voters. Also, politicians still pay more attention to print publications than to internet publications. Print media still holds more respect. One of my coworkers once told me he had e-mailed his resume to 100 companies and not gotten a single response. I told him that I would bet money that he had sent his resume by regular mail to the company that he would have gotten multiple responses. Of course, that would have cost him over $40 in stamps, plus more effort to address everything. This is the same reason you are more likely to get a response from a politician if you send them a letter than an e-mail. You have to put more effort into a letter, so they are going to pay more attention to it.

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    1. Re:Maybe they figure our votes aren't worth much by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      You don't really choose the President by popular vote in the current system of government- we never really did.

      Your votes do count- but for very little in this case. So, why put out any care or concern about what we
      feel about things and how they're going in this country? Make the people who ARE directly accountable to
      us realize this and things will start improving. But, as long as people put the bozos we keep putting into
      office in place, this crap will just keep on happening. We obviously don't care what they're doing- after
      all, we put the people in office right now that passed things like DMCA, PATRIOT, and so forth. And we
      keep putting them in there to do more of the same- why should THEY care about what we feel?

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    2. Re:Maybe they figure our votes aren't worth much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There aren't *THAT* many felons reading slashdot now are there?

    3. Re:Maybe they figure our votes aren't worth much by jsiren · · Score: 1

      No, but for some strange reason citizens of other countries aren't allowed to vote at their nearest US embassy...

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    4. Re:Maybe they figure our votes aren't worth much by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      You have to put more effort into a letter, so they are going to pay more attention to it.

      Plus they could read it on the shitter.

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  33. Garbage for questions by wiggles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You serve politicians up questions like that, where their answers will either alienate the Slashdot population or the general electorate, and you expect answers? Come on. Those were cherry picked by Ron Paul fanboys. The pot smoking question especially.

    1. Re:Garbage for questions by Flavio · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The questions were cherry picked? The original thread was filled with garbage.

      Slashdot readers in general have no idea of how screwed the US is. They have their priorities all screwed up, and instead of thinking about what it means to borrow $2-3 billion per day from Asia, they'd rather talk about the Best Super Tuesday Candidate for Technology. It's absurd to worry about NASA and space exploration when you can be held in prison without a trial, the government is involved in sabotage and illegal occupations overseas, and the military fights wars to prop up the dollar to prevent a financial collapse.

      I firmly believe that Slashdotters are on average as politically stupid as the general population. Most fool themselves into thinking they're smart because they've had a few semesters of calculus in college, but their general lack of focus and screwed priorities show how clueless they are.

    2. Re:Garbage for questions by darjen · · Score: 1

      Why do you say that? I have read many Obama supporters that feel the same way about smoking pot.

    3. Re:Garbage for questions by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up to +6

    4. Re:Garbage for questions by wiggles · · Score: 1

      Because if Obama came out and said, unequivocally, that he's in favor of legalizing marijuana, he'd lose.

  34. Unfortunately ... by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    Tell me, of the 4 front-runners (Clinton, Obama, Romney, McCain), who deserves your vote? The answer is: None of the above. I said something like this yesterday in another discussion, but I doubt you'll convince many people. Unfortunately, most people want a leader. Most people want to delegate the responsibility of thinking onto another person, so that when the shit hits the fan they can say, "Don't blame me, I was just following orders."
  35. Clarification of Ron Paul answers by mackermacker · · Score: 2, Informative

    President Bush wanted to chime in as well, and ./ also has Bush's response: http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Monkey_Sounds_audio.aspx .

    I hope everything is clearer now. It's funny how Ron Paul haters love to point out he will never win. Well, his views won't die, and Nader had no chance either, but how many votes did he win in FL, 100k? And how many votes were in dispute with Bush, less than 1000?

    I get the feeling big media, fox news, and hardcore dems or repubs love to live in denial that he isn't a threat.

  36. I don't likeRon Paul, but question by geekoid · · Score: 1

    3 seemed like a pretty straight forward answer. He oppose Federal Marijuana laws and federal interference with state laws regards Medical Marijuana.

    Hell, it's the only thing he has said that I like, and I don't smoke pot.

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    1. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by humphrm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The question was not "Do you oppose Federal Marijuana laws..." it was "What are you going to do to protect me from being arrested". It's an indirect answer at best. And just one paragraph above, he said we deserve direct answers.

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    2. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll give you the answer. Nothing RP can do to protect you from getting arrested becoz it is illegal. And as long it is illegal then you should be arrested coz it is the law. The question itself was stupid. Marijuana is worse than smoking and drinking combined. And all three should be illegal (I'm from Denmark and used to be a heavy drinker myself. I know it is very bad in many way.) I have seen friends (American friends since I live in USA at the moment) get into car accidents becoz of smoking weed. It should be illegal for personal use (which the original question was about - not for medical purposes)

    3. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by Emrys · · Score: 1

      Well he told the kids at USC that if given the opportunity he would recommend the release of non-violent drug offenders, what more do you want?

    4. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by ds4081 · · Score: 1

      The question is loaded. What business does the President or even federal government have on this issue? The states should have there own drug and alcohol laws. This is a republic we live in, or at least it is suppose to be.

    5. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by MasterC · · Score: 1

      The question was not "Do you oppose Federal Marijuana laws..." it was "What are you going to do to protect me from being arrested".
      You do realize that by striking marijuana (ACSCN 7360) and THC (ACSCN 7370) from the list of Schedule I drugs (from the controlled substances act) would mean you can't go to jail for smoking marijuana (unless it's in law somewhere else...)?

      Never mind that the president can't do that, but Representative Paul could do it since he's a sitting member of congress. This was a horribly, crappy question to ask since the only thing the president could do is pardon those arrested and convicted for marijuana possession. You can't pardon someone who wasn't arrested so the only answer is to make it not illegal.
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    6. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      The question was not "Do you oppose Federal Marijuana laws..." it was "What are you going to do to protect me from being arrested". It's an indirect answer at best. And just one paragraph above, he said we deserve direct answers.

      How is it indirect? Do you want him to come over and roll a doobie for you?

      Maybe you aren't familiar with the system of government in the USA. We are a union of states and commonwealths. Those states have their own laws and executives charged with enforcing those laws.

      Ron Paul is running for president of the union. As such, the best stand he can take on the war on drugs is in regards to federal law. What will he do to protect the questioner (and me) from getting arrested? He answered that, in regards to federal law.

      Now if you fear getting arresting because of some state law against marijuana use or possession, he did not answer to that. As he shouldn't. Those are questions for your state governor.

      Let me put it another way. The absolute straightest answer would have been, "nothing. If you are arrested under your local state laws, as president I should not, and will not, prevent the local authorities from doing their job." But instead he answered the question that should have been asked (in the context of a presidential campaign), in regards to federal law the job of the president.

      In the same light, if the question had been about a tooth ache or cavity, you likely would get an answer in regards to health care policy at the highest level (because that makes sense in the context of a presidential campaign) and not a curt, "go see a dentist."

    7. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by xtracto · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Well duh, he is the president not the king, any candidate who tells you he will abolish whatever law you dont like is lying. Just some days ago I read a comment in slashdot that said that the problem with Americans is that they think they are electing a king when they are electing the president.

      Maybe that is why you got the guy you got in the White Castle^WHouse now. If he or anyone is president then the most they can do is actively oppose marijuana laws. Bush might oppose privacy laws, but that does not make it right for him to spy on you (or it should not... but hey, it seems people get so used to that).

      BTW, I have no preference in who wins the election. If I needed to choose one I would go for Obama, because he is black. The reason is that IMHO any kind of change is good and greater the change the better. That way you will get used to *changes* and will be easier to keep changing until you get what you really want.

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    8. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by pizzach · · Score: 1

      Exactly, he should have said, "I will use thine powers to free you." Can you give me an example of a good answer that DOESN'T break his platform?

      Using my obvious filter, what I gathered from the answer is, "It isn't the federal goverments business to choose whether it is legal or not, as per my platform of reducing federal government since the beginning. Thus, it is out of my hands as far as "What are you going to do to protect me from being arrested". That is a up to the state to determine. There are states that are already working to legalize mj where you should participate, thereby fulfilling your duties as an American."

      Now with a summarize filter: "MJ won't be illegal at the federal level, but the rest is up to you, Jonny."

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    9. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have ever listened to Ron Paul speak, it is a straight answer. He just didn't explain himself completely. Paul is a strict constitutionalist. He believes that the various levels of government have certain powers based on the Constitution. For instance, on abortion, he doesn't believe that the federal government or courts should make the laws. He would do what he could to give the states the power to decide the laws on abortion.

      Ron Paul is against the drug war and believes that drug use is a medical issue not a criminal one. He would end the war on drugs at the federal level. So there would be no federal threat to marijuana users if Ron Paul was President. He would not overstep his Constitutional bounds and impose a drug law on the States though.

      It was a clear answer, he would do everything that he would be Constitutionally allowed to do to protect drug users (federal). That would not guarantee protection from State laws/authorities.

    10. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by Intellitary+Milligen · · Score: 1

      "What are you going to do to protect me from being arrested"

      Considering that no president can do that, you might want to ask that of a LAWYER.

      By opposing federal laws and opposing interference with the states he is taking away the power of the system to arrest you.

      WHAT PART DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

    11. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Well he told the kids at USC that if given the opportunity he would recommend the release of non-violent drug offenders, what more do you want? Ron Paul's answer about marijuana was about as straight as you can get. GP's a troll, he wants something to complain about, and probably wouldn't support Ron Paul no matter what his answers were.
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    12. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you're a weak-willed twerp who refused to drink responsibly doesn't mean that alcohol is "very bad", nor does it give the government the right to decide what I can or cannot ingest. Your contempt for freedom is disgusting.

    13. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems getting rid of laws making it illegal would be a pretty good way to protect someone from being arrested for doing it.

    14. Re:I don't likeRon Paul, but question by hitchhacker · · Score: 1

      Please correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't the president simply decide not to enforce the unconstitutional federal drug laws? I would think he would be required to given that he swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

      -metric

  37. I did the "string-pulling"... by Will+the+Chill · · Score: 1

    ... and I can tell you that the only reason these answers are so short is because the campaign was incredibly crunched for time due to all the Super Tuesday business.

    I have been involved in politics before, and I can honestly say our friends in the campaign really went above and beyond the call of duty to get us these answers only a few hours after I made the initial telephone calls.

    We should be thankful there are /any/ US presidential candidates who stand for actual liberty and peace issues, much less that they will take notice of our corner of the Net.

    -Will the Chill

    *sig not available at this time due to long Super Tuesday voting lines*

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  38. Short and vague by The-Bus · · Score: 1

    I almost want to say "Why bother?" because the responses were so short. I'm no Libertarian or Ron Paul supporter, but at least when Michael Badnarik answered Slashdot's questions, he wrote more than a short paragraph on each.

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  39. Nevertheless... by owlnation · · Score: 1, Troll

    Ron Paul is still the biggest spammer on the Internet today, and should be imprisoned for same.

    I seem his name much more frequently than viägra, online degrees, and fake rolex. I am tired of it. I doubt I am alone.

    1. Re:Nevertheless... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Vote Owlnation.

      Owlnation will give every citizen free viagra, online degrees and real rolexes with fake certifications!

      Vote Owlnation!

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    2. Re:Nevertheless... by jimmy_dean · · Score: 1

      Nope, I think you're alone. He's the only candidate running for president that raises genuine passion for their message. Passion means you will hear a lot about RP.

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    3. Re:Nevertheless... by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      So would you also support the imprisonment of the CEO of Viagra then?

  40. Re:Clearly by benzapp · · Score: 1

    We are all very curious. How precisely is Ron Paul against women's rights?

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  41. Did I miss something? by ricebowl · · Score: 1

    2) Why Can't I Get a Straight Answer?

    I've noticed that a number of candidates (I'm not naming names) and a number of administration officials will not answer a question in a clear and concise fashion. The subject could be anything from "Do you think waterboarding is torture?" to "What will be your stance toward the war in Iraq if you are elected?"

    So my question to you is, "Do you think that I want someone in that office (Whichever one it is) who is deliberately attempting to deceive me?"

    Even if you don't answer this question, I hope you think about it the next time someone asks you a question.

    Ron Paul campaign:

    The American people should expect clear and direct answers to their questions. Not only have I always strived to clearly state my position on issues, but my voting record backs up my commitment to the free-market, limited government philosophy I espouse on the campaign trail.

    So he, or his campaign, agrees that the American people should expect clear and direct answers, and then prevaricates and fails to answer the question.

    I'm not an American voter so while his advocacy of clear and direct answers doesn't apply to me I'm not quite sure of how dedicated he is to that philiosophy from the answer given.

    1. Re:Did I miss something? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      I'm not an American voter so while his advocacy of clear and direct answers doesn't apply to me I'm not quite sure of how dedicated he is to that philiosophy from the answer given. I guess if you existed in an information vacuum, and this reply was the only thing you were ever able to base your decision on, you'd be right. If you check out his web site, he clearly and succinctly provides answers to most questions very straight-forward. Same thing in the debates. He was just at a debate at the Ronald Reagan library in California, and all the candidates were asked if they would have supported the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor to the US Supreme court. Huckabee said he "wasn't stupid enough to second guess Ronald Reagan at a debate at the Ronald Reagan library" and continued to give a non-answer. Ron Paul flatly said "No," and continued how he would support more strict constuctionist judges. There was no ambiguity about his answer. Of course right then Anderson Cooper rudely interrupted him and went over to McCain who sort of said he would, and Mitt Romney who sort of said he wouldn't, but neither of them said yes or no as far as I can recall.
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  42. KIhan Paul answers your questions by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) Global high tech

    In the last year, India and China have both announced and made progress towards implementing their own space programs. How should America respond to such growing technological boldness in such countries? Is it a threat or an opportunity?

    Khan Paul campaign:
    Do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? ...It is very cold in space.

    2) Why Can't I Get a Straight Answer?

    I've noticed that a number of candidates (I'm not naming names) and a number of administration officials will not answer a question in a clear and concise fashion. The subject could be anything from "Do you think waterboarding is torture?" to "What will be your stance toward the war in Iraq if you are elected?"

    So my question to you is, "Do you think that I want someone in that office (Whichever one it is) who is deliberately attempting to deceive me?"

    Even if you don't answer this question, I hope you think about it the next time someone asks you a question.

    Khan Paul campaign: Oh, I've given you no word to keep, Admiral. In my judgement, you simply have no alternative.

    3) Marijuana

    I'm a college graduate with a decent job in a technical field. I pay my taxes, my debts are minimal. I get along well with others, and am close to my family. I like to think that I am a good citizen and contribute to society. Yet because I smoke marijuana instead of drinking beer when I come home from work, my government has declared war on me.

    My question is this: Do you believe I belong in jail? If so, why? If not, what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?

    Khan Paul campaign:
    I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on... hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her. Marooned for all eternity, in the center of a dead planet. Buried alive... buried alive.

    4) What do you think about technology?

    Can you clarify your policy around fair use of digital media and content? More specifically, can you explain how you will balance the rights of the average citizen to use digital content in "fair use" ways (backups, time-shifting, parody, etc.) with the need for corporations to protect IP investments? With the previous two administrations we have seen an erosion of fair-use rights via the DMCA and copyright extension bills. As President, will your policies tend to favor these trends or reverse them?

    Khan Paul campaign:
    You see, their young enter through the ears and wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. This has the effect of rendering the victim extremely susceptible to suggestion. Later as they grow follows madness.. and death.

    5) What do you think about patents?

    People complain about taxes being the main hindrance of innovation, but when someone creates a new product, be it an iPhone or a Blackberry, they aren't looking out for the tax man. The main hindrance to American technological innovation is a patent system that rewards people for sitting on ideas and punishes those who create new products.

    It has become an accepted fact that when you create something new, you will likely have to pay companies that had nothing whatsoever to do with your invention, just because they filed a patent while never intending to actually produce or sell anything.

    As President, would you fix our broken patent system?

    Khan Paul campaign:
    No. No, you can't get away. From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.

    Khan Paul 2008

    1. Re:KIhan Paul answers your questions by _PimpDaddy7_ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your responses and that website are the funniest things I've seen so far in this campaign. HILARIOUS! LOL

  43. Re:Clearly by Rich0 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what in particular concerns you regarding women's rights here - probably abortion. If you won't vote for anybody solely based on that one issue, well then not much can bee done. As far as church/state goes - I can't imagine that a libertarian would be big on integrating religion with the national government (establishment clause and all that).

    However, the thing I really object to in your post is the suggest that these are all Ron Paul is about. I'm sorry - regardless of your your position on libertarianism or a few particular issues, you have to admit that Ron Paul's platform is fundamentally different from just about everybody else in the running. He would push for major change in comparison to what has been done in the past.

    You can certainly debate whether this change would be good or bad, but you can't dismiss him as a typical politician who disagrees with you in two areas...

  44. Nothing but sound bites by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 2, Informative

    The whole thing is bullshit. It's politics. What exactly did you expect? As for the answers; they're nothing but sound bites. It would be better if Taco had just linked to the Issues page on Ron Paul's website.
    1. Re:Nothing but sound bites by arth1 · · Score: 1

      No, it wouldn't. His campaign web site isn't factual, it's a sales pitch. We don't push those here.

  45. Work with? Strive for? by evann · · Score: 1

    Why can't anyone do something? You've either got to believe marijuana should be legalized or want him in jail. You can't work with congress to "balance" rights between corporations and consumers either. Who is more of a citizen, joe or bob's Inc. ? Stop writing laws left and right that try to fix things. half the time a corporate hand is influencing the law a lot more than a real citizen. Then we've got backwards laws protecting things that dont need protection and the people who do have voting cards are the ones worse off. Just nit-picking real quick here, but come on....it IS the SAME stuff we hear from the other candidates. Seek balance? When you seek there is a chance you don't find. Every presidential candidate talks like this but when they get into the office they just play political grabass all day rather than get stuff done. When you are the president who is supposedly elected by the people, then if the people want something, you make it happen. You are the president, sure you gotta play along with the corporate congressmen but if you actually had resolve, vision blah blah etc then you'd realize that you are at the top and it's the best time to make the people's wishes come true if that is what you are about. If all candidates "seek balance" then why even talk about it? I want to know who IS going to do something and when they plan to do many things I want, I'll vote for them. This two party system is a joke. When we get presidents like the current one, it is clear they had a completely different mindset going into presidency. The people wanted a war? Eat my ass you fake clowns. BTW "national security interests, including its interests in a viable space program"... if you place a space program under the national security interests umbrella then average citizens can't hope for much. Space is not a security interest, rather it is the great beyond. It is the future and a place of dreams. Why is everyone thinking of it as a security interest? So we can write a million laws from the hand of people who never have known average, and the real average joe sits on this rock forever.

  46. Softball questions. by JonTurner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not just leading, but real "softball" questions. I'm surprised they didn't ask if he likes puppies. I'm pleased to learn he believes in providing direct answers to direct questions and I'd like some answers to questions such as:

    Do you believe the current levels of illegal immigration are harmful to America in terms of economy and culture? If so, how do you propose to reduce/end illegal immigration?
    Do you believe in open borders -- unrestricted immigration?
    In Republican debate #2, you implied that America was not attacked on 9/11. What words, the, would you use to describe the events of that day -- the murder of thousands of people by organized foreign nationals subsidized by States, the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars in property and the follow-on damage to our economy?
    Should those on welfare be disallowed from voting?
    What restrictions to firearm ownership do you support?
    Do you believe the Federal government has exceeded the authority granted to it by the Constitution? If so, how do you propose to return America's Federal government to the limited powers proscribed therein?
    How will you reduce America's dependence on foreign oil?
    Is healthcare a right?
    Please give you opinion regarding Kelo v. City of New London (Supreme court deciison which gives municipalities broad powers to seize private property for the purpose of increasing tax revenues).
    etc.

    Frankly, I'd like answers to those questions from ALL politicians. It would be a step forward, instead of the current internecine squabbling : the "he said/she said/you made the girl cry" pandering Soap Opera.

    1. Re:Softball questions. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Republican debate #2, you implied that America was not attacked on 9/11. What words, the, would you use to describe the events of that day -- the murder of thousands of people by organized foreign nationals subsidized by States, the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars in property and the follow-on damage to our economy? Citation please? I saw that debate, and never heard Ron Paul say anything remotely close to that, implicit or explicit. Ron Paul said that the lame-brain jingoistic excuse often given for the attacks "they attacked us because we're free & prosperous" was not the reason we were attacked. We were attacked due to our interventionist foreign policy in the Middle East. Switzerland is free and propserous and Al Qaida didn't attack them.
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    2. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the murder of thousands of people by organized foreign nationals subsidized by the United States

      There, fixed it for you. Then again, most americans actually seem to believe in the al-Qaeda myth.

    3. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the thing is tho hes answered most of those question...

    4. Re:Softball questions. by Emrys · · Score: 5, Informative

      I will give these a try. This is not an official campaign response, but it's also not just a fanboy response; I *have* been sent to represent the campaign before, and am on a first-name basis with the family and campaign. I will also try to get an official response to this but it's kind of Super Tuesday today so most people are working in the field.

      Most of these can also be answered via google, anyway.

      Do you believe the current levels of illegal immigration are harmful to America in terms of economy and culture? If so, how do you propose to reduce/end illegal immigration?

      Paul is the strongest anti-illegal immigration candidate still running, primarily because of the harm done to our economy when people take entitlements they did not contribute to. He is absolutely opposed to illegal immigration and has published a 6-point plan to secure the border, including no amnesty, amendinging the Constitution to make clear children born to illegals here are not citizens, physically securing the border, etc.

      That said, he does not oppose legal immigration and primarily sees the problem as economic. He has stated that immigrants are made scapegoats of our current economic problems. We can't afford to keep doing what we're doing with entitlements, so we have to fix that first, but once the economy is fixed he has stated the problem would always be too little immigration.

      Do you believe in open borders -- unrestricted immigration?

      I think this is included in the second half of the answer above; for more information on things Ron Paul has consistently said on immigration see here: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/?tag=Immigration

      In Republican debate #2, you implied that America was not attacked on 9/11. What words, the, would you use to describe the events of that day -- the murder of thousands of people by organized foreign nationals subsidized by States, the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars in property and the follow-on damage to our economy?

      We were obviously attacked and I've never heard him say anything remotely otherwise. He has consistently proposed for and voted for legislation to go after the actual perpetrators (al Qaeda) as opposed to random Arabian countries that have oil we'd like to have. He has criticized our interventionist, imperial foreign policy as a strong contributing factor for why people attack us, but regardless of their reasons they need to be brought to justice. Random civilians do not need to be bombed for this to happen.

      Should those on welfare be disallowed from voting?

      I've never heard him speak to this directly but I would certainly say no. He is the one person running who knows we need to eventually get rid of the entitlements BUT do it in a way that keeps existing people dependent on them from being thrown in the street, and revoking their basic rights is not consistent with his approach. We need to cut our imperial spending and take care of things at home, while promoting better policies for the future (as in letting kids opt-out of social security, while still paying back those that paid in already).

      What restrictions to firearm ownership do you support?

      None, though private property owners set the policy on their own property.

      Do you believe the Federal government has exceeded the authority granted to it by the Constitution? If so, how do you propose to return America's Federal government to the limited powers proscribed therein?

      What softball? Ron Paul of course believes the Federal government has run roughshod over the Constitution. He never votes for unconstitutional legislation and as President would veto it. He has stated that he would veto any budget that contained unconstitutional spending. The one place for "wiggle room" here is going to be his above approach to not throw people used to entitlements out onto the str

    5. Re:Softball questions. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Informative

      Answers from ronpaul2008.com issues page mostly. Unlike a lot of politicians, Ron makes some *very* clear statements about his intent... and with his history and voting record you can trust him to do what he says. I disagree with easily 40% of his positions- but I trust him to do what he says. ALL the other politicians left in the race, I trust to say whatever they need to say to be elected and then go right back to running the company for major corporations as soon as they are elected...

      Question 1> Do you believe the current levels of illegal immigration are harmful to America in terms of economy and culture? If so, how do you propose to reduce/end illegal immigration?
      Do you believe in open borders -- unrestricted immigration?
      Answer 1>

      The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

      * Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
      * Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
      * No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That's a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
      * No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
      * End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
      * Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

      Question 2> In Republican debate #2, you implied that America was not attacked on 9/11. What words, the, would you use to describe the events of that day -- the murder of thousands of people by organized foreign nationals subsidized by States, the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars in property and the follow-on damage to our economy?
      Answer 2> I could find no clear answer to your question...There were answers around your question here:
      http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/?tag=Terrorism

      Question 3>Should those on welfare be disallowed from voting?
      Answer 3> While I could find no clear answers to your question, I think most people who follow Ron Paul would find your question completely bizarre. Of course he is for every united states citizen's right to vote. He's never beaten his wife, and he's never called for welfare recipients to lose the right to vote.
      His positions on this area (voting record) appears to be here: http://www.thelangreport.com/?p=324

      Question 4>What restrictions to firearm ownership do you support?
      Answer 4>
      http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/second-amendment/
      I share our Founders' belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. They ratified the Second Amendment knowing that this right is the guardian of every other right, and they all would be horrified by the proliferation of unc

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      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    6. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Oh, just the kind of answer I'd expect from an America-hating, fascist commy terrorist loving anti-American cheese-eating freak. Change your name to Osama bin XxtraLarGe, terrahrist!

      Everyone knows they attacked us because of the SuperBowl and The World Series and apple pie and Ford Trucks and Chevy Cars and Harley Davidson and mom and evenings down at the drive-in and because we were hanging out behind the Tastee-Freeze with our hands between her knees and blue jeans and big cowboy hats and hamburgers and french fries. And they did it with Iraqi made box-cutters previously used to open boxes of WMDs shipped to Iraq from Iran through North Korea hand-delivered by John Kerry.

      If ya don't like it, GIT OUT!

      USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA ! USA !

    7. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We were attacked due to our interventionist foreign policy in the Middle East.
      Let me guess- you think that girls wearing low cut dresses are asking to get raped and businessmen on the streets at night are asking to get mugged. It is easy to blame the victim!
    8. Re:Softball questions. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We were attacked due to our interventionist foreign policy in the Middle East.

      Why was Spain attacked by middle eastern terrorists? Or the UK, for that matter? Why was this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) murdered by an Islamic terrorist?

      I'm sorry, there's a lot more to the issue than simply foreign policy.

      Switzerland is free and propserous and Al Qaida didn't attack them. ... yet.

    9. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of those questions have been answered already: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

    10. Re:Softball questions. by dcollins · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Blah blah blah. The thing is, the leaders of Al Qaeda have expounded *at great length* about exactly why they're fighting Americans. There's no need to make up a bunch of fantasy shit. All you have to do is listen for 3 minutes and not go around trying to throw sand in everyone's faces. There is no question about it -- every statement, the founding of Al Qaeda, every attack begins and ends with U.S. military forces in Saudi Arabia.

      "[T]he ruling to kill the Americans and their allies - civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque (in Jerusalem) and the holy mosque (in Makka) from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_qaeda#1995-2000_fatwa_declarations_and_bomb_attacks

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    11. Re:Softball questions. by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Most of those questions are easily answered by going to his website. But here is what you would find.

      1.Do you believe the current levels of illegal immigration are harmful to America in terms of economy and culture? If so, how do you propose to reduce/end illegal immigration?

      Yes he does believe the current amount illegal immigration is a problem. He wants to end birthright citizenship and not give welfare support to illegal immigrants. As part of his plan of bringing the troops home, he wants to add support to our currently very understaffed border patrol operations. A better description can be found on the issues section of his website.

      2.Do you believe in open borders -- unrestricted immigration?

      No. At least not with the US in its current state. See the website.

      3. In Republican debate #2, you implied that America was not attacked on 9/11. What words, the, would you use to describe the events of that day -- the murder of thousands of people by organized foreign nationals subsidized by States, the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars in property and the follow-on damage to our economy?

      That is not what he implied at all. What he was talking about was the reasons WHY we were attacked. The CIA describes this as blowback. He was contesting that 9/11 has been consistently portrayed as an unprovoked attack, which is simply not true. He also contests the claim that the terrorists hate us for our freedom, which is again simply not true.

      If the majority of Americans were aware of our foreign policy in the region for the last 60 years, they would suddenly look at 9/11 and other such attacks in a completely different light. There have been many books and studies published on this, some even from former CIA officials about just how badly we've screwed over the Middle East. And they all agree: We had it coming. You can't overthrow governments and support blood-thirsty dictators who oppress the population and expect the people to actually like you afterwards.

      Seriously, read up on the history of the US in the Middle East.

      4. Should those on welfare be disallowed from voting?

      Absolutely not. Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist, which means everyone is equal and every citizen has the right to vote.

      5. What restrictions to firearm ownership do you support?

      He supports the 2nd amendment. More details about this belief are on his website.

      6. Do you believe the Federal government has exceeded the authority granted to it by the Constitution? If so, how do you propose to return America's Federal government to the limited powers proscribed therein?

      Yes he does, and makes no bones about it. He wants the cut as much as he can. Of course, that's an uphill battle but if anyone has the will to do it is Ron Paul. More details on his website.

      7. How will you reduce America's dependence on foreign oil?
      He hates our dependence on foreign oil. He wants to stop subsidizing the industry and removing roadblocks for alternative fuel research. More details are on his website.

      8. Is healthcare a right?
      Ron Paul believes we should have freedom of choice in healthcare, which we don't have. Government involvement has caused many problems, including jacked rates. That being said, he does not believe it is the federal government's responsibility to provide nationwide healthcare; it should be left to the states or the people (like the Constitution says). He also wants to phase out Medicare and Medicaid, but that will take awhile.

      9. Please give you opinion regarding Kelo v. City of New London (Supreme court deciison which gives municipalities broad powers to seize private property for the purpose of increasing tax revenues).

      Ron Paul strongly disagrees with this.

      Like I said, more information is available from the campaign website and/or various discussion groups. www.ronpaul2008.com

      ~X~

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    12. Re:Softball questions. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why was Spain attacked by middle eastern terrorists? Or the UK, for that matter? Now ask yourself: Did the attacks on Spain and the U.K. happen BEFORE or AFTER the Afghan & Iraqi invasions? What side were Spain and the U.K. on?

      Why was this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) murdered by an Islamic terrorist? If you read the article, you know why.

      Here's the problem with almost all you pro-war people. You think that anybody who is opposed to the war is blaming America. I can't speak for everybody, but I can tell you I'm not. But the truth is that whenever there's a crime committed, even a terrorist act, you have to ask yourself "What was the motive?" Ron Paul explained that one of the motivating factors for Al Qaida to attack the U.S. was U.S. intervention in the region for decades and the presence of U.S. Military Bases in Saudi Arabia. He didn't pull it out of his hat, he got it from the 9-11 Commission Report.

      No, I don't think the attacks on 9/11 were justifiable. No, I don't believe the attacks on Spain & England were justifiable. No, I don't believe the murder of Theo van Gogh was justifiable. But I do know that fundamentalist zealots were able to use our previous actions to motivate some of their people to attack us. That is something that needs to be understood. Trying to explain it away with false excuses isn't going to do anything to improve the situation.
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    13. Re:Softball questions. by DirkGently · · Score: 1

      Please see your psychiatrist or nurse subscriber soon. I think the Welbutrin ain't working no more.

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      I keep trying to pick fights, but I can't shake this Excellent karma.

    14. Re:Softball questions. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      There is no question about it -- every statement, the founding of Al Qaeda, every attack begins and ends with U.S. military forces in Saudi Arabia.

      So they attack Spain because the US has troops in Saudi Arabia?

      Great, they're homicidal maniacs *and* stupid.

    15. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's already answered basically all these questions before but I'll go down the list for you and answer what I think he would say. Most of the info is available on his website.

      Do you believe the current levels of illegal immigration are harmful to America in terms of economy and culture? If so, how do you propose to reduce/end illegal immigration?
      >> He believes that immigration is harmful to our economy because it is a burden on tax payers when non-taxpayers take advantage of social programs. The way he proposes to end illegal immigration is to phase out wellfare and the social benefits that people come here for. When those things are gone illegal immigrants won't be a financial drain and will probably be a necessary part of our economy.

      Do you believe in open borders -- unrestricted immigration?
      >> He wants to lock down the borders to prevent illegal immigration (presumably using troops recalled from overseas)

      In Republican debate #2, you implied that America was not attacked on 9/11. What words, the, would you use to describe the events of that day -- the murder of thousands of people by organized foreign nationals subsidized by States, the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars in property and the follow-on damage to our economy?
      >> Ron Paul specifically referred to 911 as an attack in the debate "Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years" -Ron Paul

      Should those on welfare be disallowed from voting?
      >> Not sure what the goal of this question is but he definitely would want them to vote.

      What restrictions to firearm ownership do you support?
      >> Only extreme restrictions on bombs and stuff that is dangerous to other people in proximity. He opposed to ban on assault rifles in keeping with the 2nd Ammendment.

      Do you believe the Federal government has exceeded the authority granted to it by the Constitution? If so, how do you propose to return America's Federal government to the limited powers proscribed therein?
      >> Yes he believes they overstep their bounds, this is pretty much the basis of his whole campaign. The second question is pretty nebulous, I guess his answer would be "one thing at a time".

      How will you reduce America's dependence on foreign oil?
      >> By stopping oil subsidies and wars defending oil interests and letting the markets determine the real price of oil and subsequently having alternatives pop up as the market dictates.

      Is healthcare a right?
      >> No, healthcare is a service. The government should have nothing to do with healthcare, including the managed HMOs and stuff we have now. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/health-care/

      Please give you opinion regarding Kelo v. City of New London (Supreme court deciison which gives municipalities broad powers to seize private property for the purpose of increasing tax revenues).
      etc.
      >> I don't know the details of the case but Paul wants to eliminate the federal income tax and is probably the biggest defender of individual rights.

      You can find most of this stuff on his website RonPaul2008.com... he is by far the most straightforward and unapologetic about what he believes (which is quite a bit different from all the other candidates and hasn't really changed in 20 years).

    16. Re:Softball questions. by emilper · · Score: 1
      I am not an USA citizen. Taking that into consideration, and also the fact that at least 1/5 of the /. users are not USA citizens or native English speakers (judging by the number of spelling mistakes not usually found in texts written by US citizens or native English speakers), would you care to answer to the following questions ?

      * Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.

      How do you propose to do that ? The US have low population density and a extremely long coastline and border. Do you think that would be possible without enforcing 3 to 5 years of mandatory military service for each adult citizen ?

      * No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.

      I understood that almost all illegal aliens living in US do not benefit from most kinds of welfare, since attempting to do that would attract attention to themselves and cause their arrest and possible expulsion. Is this true, or was I misinformed ?

      * H.R. 3305 would allow pilots and specially assigned law enforcement personnel to carry firearms in order to protect airline passengers, possibly preventing future 9/11-style attacks.

      To my knowledge, the possession of firearms while flying in a plane is forbidden because of the danger of accidents caused by firearms misfiring, such as decompression. How does Ron Paul plan to prevent those accidents ? How does Ron Paul plan to prevent rogue law enforcement personnel or criminals impersonating them from taking advantage of the firearms they were allowed to take on board ?

      This question not related to your post, but I would be grateful if you would answer, since no one really addressed the issue:
      Were the US to stop stop, as the campaigner who answered the original questions that started this thread said, subsidizing the defense of foreign states, how would the US be able to influence the foreign policy of those states ? Would not USA become less secure by renouncing the leverage offered by the said subsidies ? Considering also that most of those subsidies are spent on US military equipment and maintenance for equipment purchased previously, wouldn't you lose more, in terms of security, if you renounced this opportunity to have a say in how other countries, which are not always well intentioned or governed, direct their foreign policy ?

    17. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you spent maybe a half hour reading his website, you'd have answers to most of these:

      Do you believe the current levels of illegal immigration are harmful to America in terms of economy and culture? If so, how do you propose to reduce/end illegal immigration?

      He is against illegal immigration, does not support us giving illegals free healthcare, and is against birthright citizenship.

      Do you believe in open borders -- unrestricted immigration?

      No, he doesn't.

      In Republican debate #2, you implied that America was not attacked on 9/11. What words, the, would you use to describe the events of that day -- the murder of thousands of people by organized foreign nationals subsidized by States, the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars in property and the follow-on damage to our economy?

      Wow, watch Fox News much? He said that 9/11 was blowback from our interventionist foreign policy, not because they resent our freedom (which is what Giuliani and others were claiming).

      Should those on welfare be disallowed from voting?

      No idea on this one. I would think he would say no, as long as they are a citizen, they have a right to vote. Although, he wants to get rid of welfare altogether.

      What restrictions to firearm ownership do you support?

      He doesn't support any restrictions that I know of. He's a libertarian.

      Do you believe the Federal government has exceeded the authority granted to it by the Constitution? If so, how do you propose to return America's Federal government to the limited powers proscribed therein?

      Yes, he does. He wants to dismantle most of the agencies created by the executive branch over the last 100 years.

      How will you reduce America's dependence on foreign oil?

      He's against subsidizing the oil industry and against unfair regulations that limit innovation in this area.

      Is healthcare a right?

      He doesn't believe so, as far as I know, and is against any socialized health care. He thinks it should be up to states and private institutions to work out what's best for their communities.

      Please give you opinion regarding Kelo v. City of New London (Supreme court deciison which gives municipalities broad powers to seize private property for the purpose of increasing tax revenues).

      I'm not sure. If it were the federal government, he'd be against it. But, on a municipality level, I really don't know what he'd say.

    18. Re:Softball questions. by cowwoc2001 · · Score: 1

      No, I don't think the attacks on 9/11 were justifiable. No, I don't believe the attacks on Spain & England were justifiable. No, I don't believe the murder of Theo van Gogh was justifiable. But I do know that fundamentalist zealots were able to use our previous actions to motivate some of their people to attack us. That is something that needs to be understood. Trying to explain it away with false excuses isn't going to do anything to improve the situation. As much as you might like to deny it, your answers excuse their behavior. "I'm not saying he should have done it, but I understand..."

      Radical Islamists are murdering anyone who does not share their views, including other Muslims. The fact that they do not like their views does not give them the right to try to kill me, nor should I change my views in any way because of their threats to my life.

      Your line of reasoning essentially says we should change what we're doing because we're pissing them off. Now, if we're doing something wrong (independently of what they say) and we should improve upon this then fine. But if we're making changes *because* they're murdering our people then it's a mistake.

      Who cares who Spain morally supported? Is holding an opinion justification for mass-murder now? The fact of the matter is that we have a heck of a lot more reasons to justify taking out their people than they do to take ours out. If they were to lay down their arms today and promise to stop attacking us then there is a really good chance this war would end. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for us laying down our arms.

      I'll throw out some ideas on the table for you:

      1) No other major religion protests violently and kills people when people make fun of their religion. Journalists in the west caved and censored itself for fear of their lives. Theo van Gogh got murdered because he did not.

      2) Islam oppresses *billions* of women across the world, yet no one says a word.

      3) The media gives very terse coverage of the middle-east. The center of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict (which is really the Arab-Israeli conflict because it's much bigger than just the Palestinians) is Israel's very existence. The main beef radical Islamists hold against Israel is the existence of Jews *anywhere* in the middle-east. One of the things you never hear about is that more Jews got evicted from Arab lands in 1948 then Palestinians left Israel. Fatah, which is the "moderate" party the US is asking Israel to negotiate with talks about 1967 borders in English but when they switch to Arabic they talk about taking over all of Israel. Their official charter calls for Israel's destruction and their map of Palestine includes all of Israel. I won't even get started on Hamas. No one seems to mention in the media that Palestinians refuse to allow *any* Jews to live on "their" land. Many so-called settlers have offered to relinquish their Israeli citizenship in favor of a Palestinian one. They asked to live peacefully under a future Palestinian state as normal citizens. Palestinians refused them saying they don't accept any Jews on any of their land. Ever notice how they keep on saying that "the settlements are the main barriers to peace?" What they're actually talking about are Jews living on "their land". If that isn't racist I don't know what is.
    19. Re:Softball questions. by corbettw · · Score: 1

      You're correct about some of the motivations of the Islamists (they have others, like a desire to bring back the caliphate, though those mainly influence their behaviors in their own countries). But the question you leave unanswered is, should we modify our foreign policies due to the views and actions of extremists? That's a question I'd like to see debated on the national stage, and one that most politicians don't even seem to be aware of.

      --
      God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
    20. Re:Softball questions. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1
      You're a fucking moron. Spain was in Iraq with us, dipshit. You're like Naven R. Johnson in "The Jerk".

      He hates these cans! They didn't attack us for our god damned "freedom", they've clearly said why they attacked us.
    21. Re:Softball questions. by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Not just leading, but real "softball" questions. I'm surprised they didn't ask if he likes puppies.

      These are the highest-moderated Slashdot comments, aren't they? Therefore, slashdotters want to ask softball questions. We get the government we deserve.

      --
      i'd hit it so hard, if you pulled me out you'd be the king of britain [bash.org]
    22. Re:Softball questions. by Choad+Namath · · Score: 1

      The crimes you're citing are random acts of violence. 9/11 wasn't random. Osama bin Laden may be retarded for thinking that we would bow to his demands, but he actually did have some. Even if his "retribution" wasn't justified in our eyes, we still shouldn't ignore his reasons for doing it.

    23. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey professor - so why did Al Qaeda bomb the Madrid commuter train system and kill hundreds? Was it because Spain is occupying Saudi Arabia, like Bin Laden accused the USA of doing?

      Or maybe because they are occupying the Islamic land of Al-Andaluz - that is to say...Spain.

    24. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who do you work for, CNN?, probably FOX right, Paul?, Bill?
        How inaccurate can you get?, do you even have a soul?. Ah I know, Turd Blosssom?

    25. Re:Softball questions. by smartr · · Score: 1

      Why don't we go into Cuba, Russia, and China to displace a few leaders we don't like? I'm not saying we should like the nuts in the middle east, but instead of running around trying to build the next Japan out of Iraq, we should have just gone in rapidly and wiped out Bin Laden. We have no place over there trying to tell them how to live. Ron Paul voted to attack the actual terrorists, not Iraq. We should have sent large numbers of marines to cull the terrorists, then we should have gotten the hell out of middle eastern society as we Americans can't identify with.

    26. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ayaan Hirsi Ali: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali
      She is the only one I know who spoke loudly against the oppression of women in the Islamic society.
      Of course, she was threatened of death.

    27. Re:Softball questions. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I'm not ron paul- I was simply repeating his positions to answer those questions.

      All we need to do to secure our borders is to enforce our current laws mostly. As soon as they started prosecuting business owners in Oklahoma and Arizona, the illegals started streaming out. There are two factors.

      1) stop the huge flow of illegal immigrants and now you can easily police the smaller flow.
      2) make marijuana legal and further reduce the border crossings (and restore the rule of law to mexico and other south american countries currently being destroyed by our drug war which is creating very powerful criminal gangs in those countries with billions of dollars) by turning illegal drug traders into ordinary business men and women just like those who sell whiskey and tequila.

      You are misinformed on the welfare issue. It depends on the city but at a minimum, they get free schooling and free medical care. They often drive without required insurance or documents as well. Mothers frequently get aid for their children's food under W.I.C. Out and out welfare and unemployment - not so much. But even citizens only get 24 months/ 12 months maximum of those social services.

      A typical Ron Paul approach would be to allow states and the airlines to have those policies. So one airline might allow you to take guns on their flights. And you would know it. Another airline might require that they be stored in the overhead bins. Another might ban them entirely.

      Then as a consumer you would decide which airline you wanted to take. Ron Paul would probably not prevent rogue elements-- the logic is that (like the shoe-bomber), a potential terrorist would stand up with his gun and be blown away by granny in row 7. Now the pilot, the left engine, and other parts might be blown away too. Personally, the current plan of hardening the cockpit and trying to stop bombs seems best.

      Ron Paul says that the influence we get from foreign subsidies is not free politically. We often support tyrants and after twenty or thirty years end up with millions of really pissed off citizens. And (my opinion of his standings) if those subsidies are really disguised subsidies to the military industrial complex businesses (as japan often does), then let those companies stand on their own two feet or give the money to them directly.

      The policies we are currently attempting are destroying America from the inside out. We are becoming a fascist state and losing our civil liberties every year. All because 3,000 people died. Not worth it. Better to be free and suffer some deaths than to lose everything.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    28. Re:Softball questions. by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      In Republican debate #2, you implied Citation please? I saw that debate, and never heard Ron Paul say anything remotely close to that You can make anyone imply anything, with enough imagination.
      --

      You can't take the sky from me...

    29. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am very pleased you remembered Theo van Gogh. He was murdered because of his opinions.

      Apparently, it's not a matter of deeds but even of opinions. Will you give away your right to say what you think to please the terrorists?

      The parent already did, maybe if we all do it, the terrorism itself will disappear. /sarcasm off

      You know, I really enjoy being free of saying I don't give a shit about religions, any of them. And people fought and died to give us the possibility to have a debate and different opinions and democracy.

    30. Re:Softball questions. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Please, I don't care what they say. The fact of the matter is that they're willing and able to attack anybody on Earth for drawing a cartoon and putting it in a newspaper. Why are you defending these people?

      Look, it's great that we're having this conversation. Freedom of speech is my most cherished right. But if these terrorists had their way, the entire world would be living under Sharia law, and I'm not willing to just lie down and let that happen regardless of where the US stations troops.

      I doubt Castro is happy about having US troops in Cuba, but he's not sending his citizens to the US to blow themselves up.

    31. Re:Softball questions. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Why was Spain attacked by middle eastern terrorists? Or the UK, for that matter? The UK wasn't attacked by middle eastern terrorists.

      The UK has been attacked by militia groups in Afghanistan and Iraq. Something to do with us being in someone else's country under force of arms, which seems a perfectly reasonable justification for attacking us.

      The UK has been attacked in the UK by British citizens. They explicitly left evidence that the attacks were due to the illegal war the UK embarked upon in Iraq.

      I'd say these reasons are pretty fucking clearly foreign policy.
    32. Re:Softball questions. by localman · · Score: 2, Informative

      My god, do some research people: Paul's positions on just about all of this is available on his site. And in the Google interview he answers most of these too. He has got to be one of the least evasive politicians around.

      Most politicians answer these questions to some degree, too. But you have to dig. It sounds like you're upset that the media doesn't talk about issues like these, and there I agree with you. The established media has totally failed to raise the bar in public political discourse. In fact it's just about completely buggered it up. Everyone should know exactly where all the candidates stand on all the questions you mention. The fact that so few do is pretty sad. But since the info is out there, you're a bit to blame too. Don't just sit back and complain that nobody brought the info to your doorstep. Go out and learn about these things. And then vote what you believe.

      In any case, hope you find some good answers. Cheers.

    33. Re:Softball questions. by cowwoc2001 · · Score: 1

      In the grand scheme of things, you are better off attacking terrorist infrastructure than individual terrorist elements. I'm not talking about Iraq here but rather the general war on terror.

      Israel has been fighting terrorism for decades longer than the US and you will note that they don't focus 100% their resources on killing off a single person, even the leaders of these groups. Taking out the leader *is* a great achievement but what it buys you is more time and reduces their sophistication as opposed to ending the war. They eventually get replaced by someone else.

      Yes, you want to take out the terrorist leaders, but you gain more bang-for-the-buck by taking out their infrastructure and reducing their capability to small arms fire. For example: you could gain a heck of a lot more bang-for-your buck if you attacks terrorist training camps in say Pakistan, Syria and Iran then going after specific individuals. You could also achieve a lot by cutting off their source of revenue. There is a huge difference between a small terrorist group and one backed by a state such as Iran. A lot of what you're seeing today didn't come out of the blue but rather is a result of years' worth of training in terrorist camps.

      Coming back to Iraq, I believe there was that Democracy would defuse the ideological base for radical Islam. Muslims have been complaining for decades now that the US preaches Freedom yet does not help them overthrow their dictators. Democracy is a very difficult form of government to achieve, but it has the huge advantage of the leader cycling every couple years and protection of minorities. Hopefully you can understand why this would have a huge positive impact in fighting the ideological base of the radicals. We're pushing Democracy, they're pushing the Caliphate governmental system. We are no more oppressing their people than the guys pushing the Caliphate on them are. Consider that radical Islamists have tried to surplant the leaders of other middle-eastern countries before (Egypt, Jordan, etc) and replace it with a Caliphate before. So far they have failed, Iran being the exception to the rule. If you were to look at all the countries in the middle-east that had dictators, Iraq was probably the easiest one to overthrow with the most compelling reason to. You have:

      Egypt, Jordan: signed peace treat with Iran and are US allies
      Saudi Arabia, Pakistan: ideological base of terrorism, hard to overthrow, our ally (at least officially)
      Iran: ideological base of terrorism, might be developing nukes, hard to overthrow, our enemy
      Iraq: easy to overthrow, might be developing nukes, our enemy

      Iraq might have simply represented the easiest way in and the US was hoping for a domino effect: if we do a good job here, people might overthrow their leaders in neighboring countries. I'm also not downplaying the possibility of nuclear weapons in Iraq. For all of the mistakes the US intelligence agencies made, they still did a much better job than the IAEA (the UN's official nuclear watchdog). The US didn't know for sure but given Saddam's bad history they took the chance only to find out they were wrong. Okay, that's too bad but the very least they booted one dictator out.

      The US was hoping to transform the middle-east into a Democracy. I think many countries even in Europe were hoping for the same thing. The only difference is that history the US acts on its ambitions whereas Europe sits on their fingers. Sometimes apathy is not the correct approach (note WW2). In any case, the good news is that the security situation is starting to turn around in Iraq (fatalities are down in a big way). The bad news is that no one is doing anything about Iran, not even on a diplomatic level.

      PS: I think it's also important to note that rogue state + nuke = potentially millions of dead citizens. Bin Laden is a mass-murderer, but his capability was limited to hundreds at a time, not millions. Iraq might not have had nuclear weapons but their biological weapons allowed them to wipe out hundreds of thousands of people at a time. By that token, Bin Laden is still a small fish.

    34. Re:Softball questions. by evought · · Score: 1

      I am not an USA citizen. Taking that into consideration, and also the fact that at least 1/5 of the /. users are not USA citizens or native English speakers (judging by the number of spelling mistakes not usually found in texts written by US citizens or native English speakers), would you care to answer to the following questions ?

      * Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.

      How do you propose to do that ? The US have low population density and a extremely long coastline and border. Do you think that would be possible without enforcing 3 to 5 years of mandatory military service for each adult citizen ?

      Maxo-Texas answered some of this in the UP (Uncle-Post?), but another useful factor is bringing our troops home from abroad. Right now, our National Guard, the forces that are supposed to be protecting our home ground under the state governors, is overseas. Additionally, once you shift more of the regular troops home and plunk a few of their bases on the border, illegal aliens would probably be a little more reluctant to traipse across an active military base. Another interesting idea I have heard is a strategically placed dam on the Rio Grande. Just a small increase in width and depth would make as much difference as 50 fences. Right now, according to a border guard I was conversing with, we largely know when groups are crossing the border because they set off monitoring equipment. We don't have anyone near enough to do anything about it. More personnel (which we have to pay anyway) and the ability to slow them down a touch on the crossing will make a huge difference in ability to respond.

      * H.R. 3305 would allow pilots and specially assigned law enforcement personnel to carry firearms in order to protect airline passengers, possibly preventing future 9/11-style attacks.

      To my knowledge, the possession of firearms while flying in a plane is forbidden because of the danger of accidents caused by firearms misfiring, such as decompression. How does Ron Paul plan to prevent those accidents ? How does Ron Paul plan to prevent rogue law enforcement personnel or criminals impersonating them from taking advantage of the firearms they were allowed to take on board ?

      Special ammunition prevents decompression-related issues. The security issues you mention are no worse (and no different) than exist now, at much greater expense, with current policies. With the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) hiring gobs of people to handle more and more sensitive tasks, they cannot possibly continue to be picky about who they hire. Any terrorist getting into one of these positions can bring down the whole house of cards. At least by using more organic methods, you end up with a less complex, less expensive solution that has no more downside.

      This question not related to your post, but I would be grateful if you would answer, since no one really addressed the issue:

      Were the US to stop stop, as the campaigner who answered the original questions that started this thread said, subsidizing the defense of foreign states, how would the US be able to influence the foreign policy of those states ? Would not USA become less secure by renouncing the leverage offered by the said subsidies ? Considering also that most of those subsidies are spent on US military equipment and maintenance for equipment purchased previously, wouldn't you lose more, in terms of security, if you renounced this opportunity to have a say in how other countries, which are not always well intentioned or governed, direct their foreign policy ?

      This question assumes that we are usefully affecting their policies. Mostly what has been happening is that the world has been becoming more violent, we have been going into debt, and mult

    35. Re:Softball questions. by psychicninja · · Score: 1

      Please, I don't care what they say. The fact of the matter is that they're willing and able to attack anybody on Earth for drawing a cartoon and putting it in a newspaper. Why are you defending these people?
      Be careful not to make the mistake of writing "the terrorists" off as simply bat-shit insane. Just because you refuse to listen to and consider their motivations does not mean that they do not take them seriously. If you are truly concerned about <bush>terism</bush>, you would have to be an idiot not to try to understand the causes thereof. Otherwise you just end up with an endless distrac^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwar.
    36. Re:Softball questions. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      There's no cause for "murdering someone for making a documentary" that I would consider not insane.

    37. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple:

      All of those countries had troops in Afghanistan or Iraq.

    38. Re:Softball questions. by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Foreign policy is a major driver, and gives them plenty of desperate-nothing-left-to-live-for types to recruit. Although, the occasional certifiably insane nut job helps.

      But, if you're going to become a racist (like Theo did) especially if you have a large Muslim population, then there is a pretty good chance you're going to rub a crazy the wrong way. We have things like that happen here, but we don't call it terrorism. We call it murder. Last I checked, even our friendly neighborhood KKK isn't classified as a a terrorist organization, despite their colorful views.

      The Spanish attack you are referring to had nothing to do with Middle East terrorists. It was Basque separatists. Totally different reasons and completely unrelated. I'm not even sure why included it.

      The UK is a Middle East terrorist target because their hands are just as dirty as ours in that region. They were a staunch ally, and the terrorists know it.

      Ron Paul didn't say anything about foreign policy being the only cause of terrorism worldwide. He said that the biggest driver for terrorism from the MIDDLE EAST against the US is our foreign policy, which if you ever researched it is pretty damn appalling.

      You may also want to do some reading on the causes of terrorism, aside from the Middle Eastern variety. The blue pill the media is feeding certainly doesn't discuss the underlying reasons, nor real solutions on how to address it.

      ~X~

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      ~X~
    39. Re:Softball questions. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      But the question you leave unanswered is, should we modify our foreign policies due to the views and actions of extremists? That's a question I'd like to see debated on the national stage, and one that most politicians don't even seem to be aware of. That's an Inconvenient Debate. Maybe Ron Paul should make a movie?
    40. Re:Softball questions. by marcansoft · · Score: 1

      No, they attack Spain because Spain had troops in Iraq.

      A perfectly good political candidate lost because of the attack. Now we're stuck with an idiot who can't handle our own "little" local terrorist problem, ETA. Little is in quotes because it used to be a little problem, but he's managed to do things backwards and now ETA has money and weapons again. All because of the decision by the People's Party to support the US war in Iraq.

    41. Re:Softball questions. by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      But the question you leave unanswered is, should we modify our foreign policies due to the views and actions of extremists?

      Given the fact that poor foreign policy was what created extremists in the first place, yeah we should step back and re-evaluate our priorities and our approach in dealing with other countries.

    42. Re:Softball questions. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I feel like I'm in crazy world. You blame everybody except for the group that did the actual bombing!

      "Sure she was raped, officer, but she was wearing really slutty clothing."

    43. Re:Softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Have you never heard of Ron Paul? You can find the answers for almost all of these questions on his website.

       

      Do you believe the current levels of illegal immigration are harmful to America in terms of economy and culture? If so, how do you propose to reduce/end illegal immigration? Do you believe in open borders -- unrestricted immigration? http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/

       

      In Republican debate #2, you implied that America was not attacked on 9/11. What words, the, would you use to describe the events of that day -- the murder of thousands of people by organized foreign nationals subsidized by States, the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars in property and the follow-on damage to our economy? No, he was saying that we were not attacked because of our prosperity or freedoms, but rather due to our meddling in the affairs of other countries.

       

      Should those on welfare be disallowed from voting? Obviously not, he strongly believes in personal liberty. Although he would try to limit if not remove most of these welfare programs.

       

      What restrictions to firearm ownership do you support? http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/?tag=Second%20Amendment

       

      Do you believe the Federal government has exceeded the authority granted to it by the Constitution? If so, how do you propose to return America's Federal government to the limited powers proscribed therein? This involves many different parts of the government, I suggest finding more on that here.
      http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

       

      How will you reduce America's dependence on foreign oil? http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/energy/

       

      Is healthcare a right? http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/health-care/

       

      Please give you opinion regarding Kelo v. City of New London (Supreme court deciison which gives municipalities broad powers to seize private property for the purpose of increasing tax revenues). http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/property-rights-and-eminent-domain/

      Seriously, take like 5 minutes to read his website.
    44. Re:Softball questions. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Given the fact that poor foreign policy was what created extremists in the first place, yeah we should step back and re-evaluate our priorities and our approach in dealing with other countries.

      No, we don't "create" extremists.

      Look, if you are so fucked up in the head that you think it's a good idea to murder people, you're beyond all help. You're owed nothing. I'm sick of people apologizing for these sick psychopaths, saying that because the US has troops in some country it's OK for them to murder-- it's not!

      Grown-ups can settle disputes without killing each other.

    45. Re:Softball questions. by Sovereignson · · Score: 1

      I believe any Ron Paul supporter could answer these 'softballs'!!!

      Yes illegal immigration is harmful to both economy and culture. Americans should not have to compete for jobs with people who are here illegally. Much of the illegals wages are sent back to their homeland and with the current level of illegals, it has a tremendous effect on the economy at all levels, local, state, and federal. One of the cultures of America is that we are governed by the rule of law, the Constitution being the 'law of the land'. To support illegal immigration subverts that staple of our culture.
      An aggressive enforcement of immigration laws is needed to quell the existing problem. One effective way to dramatically reduce illegal immigration is to have our military guarding our borders. To completely put an end to illegal immigration is really not even an achievable possibility for any nation. The measures above would serve to keep illegal immigration in check and at levels that would have a very minute effect on the nations economy or our cultural values. A country without borders is no country at all, immigration most certainly should be restricted, as provided in our Constitution.
      It was never stated, nor implied, that America and Americans were not attacked on 9/11/2001! It was stated that it was not the American people or the fact that we are free and prosperous that invited the attacks. It was the US governments foreign policy, hijacked by a handful of neo-con.'s, the reason we were attacked. It was our military presence over there,on the Arabian peninsula for the past decades that invited the attacks. It was attributed to blowback for our decades long policies towards middle eastern countries,this was also the conclusion reached by our own CIA and the 911 commission report.
      Americans should never be restricted from voting for any reason.
      As the Constitution clearly states 'congress shall pass no law restricting the people's right to bear arms'. Certainly having a neigbor developing/possessing a nuclear bomb would infringe upon the rights of others to feel/be safe in their homes and property. The same holds true for other 'weapons of mass destruction',which must be dealt with at the local level on an individual basis. If whatever it may be, poses an immediate threat to the rights/property of another,under no circumstances should it be allowed.Including threat(s) posed by our government/militaries possessing/storing of such devices.
      The fed. government has way over exceeded its authority!To force the government to operate within the limits as proscribed in the Constitution,we must recognize a strict interpretation of the document and immediately abolish any/all laws that are not within Constitutional limits.The congressional oath of office must be taken seriously and strictly enforced.
      Reducing Americas dependence on foreign oil should be left to an unrestricted free market.The government has no authority to influence technological developements in the creation or supplying of the energy our nation needs/uses.The same holds true for any technological advances,regardless of the economic impact they may or not have on the nation.The free markets must be allowed to operate unimpeded from the forces of government regulations not empowered by the Constitution.
      Equal access to healthcare should certainly be the right of each individual but the costs for that care also the responsibility of each individual.An American population unburdoned with the current income tax laws/obligations would certainly provide an enormous increase of revenue to our current charitable organizations as well as increase the number of such organizations.Those currently dependent on government programs or who have been forcibly required to invest into such government programs,should certainly be provided with the service(s) as promised or financially reimbursed for what has already been paid plus the going rate of interest and inflation adjustments.
      Imminent domain simply for gaining increased tax revenues

    46. Re:Softball questions. by Scudsucker · · Score: 1
      No, we don't "create" extremists. Look, if you are so fucked up in the head that you think it's a good idea to murder people, you're beyond all help. You're owed nothing. I'm sick of people apologizing for these sick psychopaths, saying that because the US has troops in some country it's OK for them to murder-- it's not!

      Ever hear the old chestnut that "those who forget history are condemned to repeat it"?

      Let's start with the current Republican whipping boy, Iran. Britain and the U.S.S.R. invaded Iran in 1941 because the neutral country wouldn't let the Allies use the Trans-Iranian Railway and also to ensure that Iran's oil fields did not fall into the hands of the Axis forces. In 1951 the democratically elected government of Iran nationalized it's oil fields (previously under control of British Petroleum). Two years later, the British government talked the U.S. into backing a coup to overthrow Iran's government and put the western-friendly Shah in power. It was considered a great success - until the backlash overthrew the Shah in the 1979 Islamic Revolution. So the next time you hear a rant about Iran's government, remember that it used to have a secular, democratic government until the CIA came along.

      But of course it doesn't end there - the U.S. backed Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war, in which a million Iranians died. Towards the end of the war, the USS Vincennes shot down the civilian Iran Air Flight 655, killing almost 300 people. The crew of the Vincennes tried contacting the plane with emergency channels, which civilian planes don't typically monitor. They didn't bother trying civilian channels, and fired two missiles at the plane despite the fact that its transponder was on and it was flying a civilian route in Iranian airspace. The Vincennes was also in Iranian territorial waters, which the Navy lied about for three years until an admiral admitted the truth on Nightline. The U.S. never apologized for the incident, in fact George H.W. Bush said:

      "I'll never apologize for the United States of America. Ever, I don't care what the facts are."

      Which is quite a contrast to the response given to the U.S.S.R. when it shot down Korean Air Flight 007 just five years previously:

      And make no mistake about it; this attack was not just against ourselves or the Republic of Korea. This was the Soviet Union against the world and the moral precepts which guide human relations among people everywhere. It was an act of barbarism, born of a society which wantonly disregards individual rights and the value of human life and seeks constantly to expand and dominate other nations. They deny the deed, but in their conflicting and misleading protestations, the Soviets reveal that, yes, shooting down a plane--even one with hundreds of innocent men, women, children, and babies--is a part of their normal procedure if that plane is in what they claim as their airspace.

      Finally you have the last few years of warmongering from the neocons, which wanted to repeat the Iraq war fiasco, right down to the bogus intelligence. And you wonder why these countries want nuclear weapons, especially given the fact that Pakistan and North Korea already have nukes but haven't been invaded.

      And then there's Israel.

      In 1917, the British government made the Balfour Declaration, a policy statement favoring the creation of a Jewish state in the former Ottoman Empire. Britain floated a plan, approved by the newly created United Nations, to create Jewish and Palestinian states in the

    47. Re:Softball questions. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Holy shit, I didn't read most of that and I don't much care. Look:

      And you wonder why Arabs and Muslims think the U.S. is out to get them.

      No, I don't care *why* the Arabs and Muslims think the US is out to get them. What I care about is that they can't be "out to get us" without murdering innocent people. There's this thing called "diplomacy" that grown-up adults do, it's a way of resolving problems without randomly bombing yourself and others.

      Look, even if I did think like you and sat here at my desk going, "well, gee whiz! We deserve to be attacked!" That wouldn't change my current position on the War on Terror. The position from people like you seems to be "well there's a valid history as to why we're attacked, therefore we shouldn't bother to defend ourselves because we 'deserve' it."

    48. Re:Softball questions. by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      Holy shit, I didn't read most of that and I don't much care.

      Yes, if you bothered to let facts enter your worldview you might have your wingnut merit badge revoked.

      What I care about is that they can't be "out to get us" without murdering innocent people.

      Tell it to the U.S. military when it fires on civilian planes. Tell it to Blackwater who's mercenaries fire on innocent people on Iraqi streets on a regular basis.

      There's this thing called "diplomacy" that grown-up adults do, it's a way of resolving problems without randomly bombing yourself and others.

      So what are you doing to ensure the demise of the Republican party, since grown-diplomacy is anathema to them?

      The position from people like you seems to be "well there's a valid history as to why we're attacked, therefore we shouldn't bother to defend ourselves because we 'deserve' it."

      Yawn. Let me make it simple for you: don't fuck with other peoples lives, and they wont feel compelled to return the favor.

  47. they're gonna' do everything we want aren't they by icepick72 · · Score: 1

    Well that was brief. Regardless, I take the stance that if a presidential candidate says they don't have a policy at the current moment on a certain issue, then we should not expect not to when they become president no matter how much they pander to our questions here and now. I mean, they always state that they haven't looked into something *but* "when I become president..." da dah da da and create a cursory answer. Don't buy into it. Don't put your eggs in a basket which might exist.

  48. Simply horrible questions by chuck · · Score: 1

    I am a very strong Ron Paul supporter, and I don't fault RP's campaign for the weak answers to these weak questions, but come on, Slashdot is a treasure trove of aggressive argument, and it lobs these softball pitches? Embarrassing.

    1. Re:Simply horrible questions by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I'd like to ask Ron Paul to put himself back in December 1860, when South Carolina seceeded from the Union. Would Ron Paul have been in favor of Lincoln and in the use of force to keep the Union together and ultimately to ban slavery from the United States via the Federal Government, or would Ron Paul have been on the side of the Slave States and their demand that their rights as states to have full control to legislate as they saw fit on this matter.

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    2. Re:Simply horrible questions by chuck · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul has already answered this question. Check YouTube. He said that the Civil War was a senseless waste of life, and we should have found another way to end slavery. He would probably support the states' right of secession.

    3. Re:Simply horrible questions by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And what way would Ron Paul have ended slavery? I want specifics here, informed by the understanding of the Constitution at the time.

      This is the sort of typical non-answer I expect from Libertarians. They're ultimately selfish cowards, unwilling to make the kinds of sacrifices that liberty at times demands. Thank goodness they have no chance of ever forming a government anywhere at any time.

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    4. Re:Simply horrible questions by chuck · · Score: 1

      The Declaration of Independence, the founding document of the United States, preceding the Constitution, says "...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Abraham Lincoln himself asserted this. "Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." This is the law of the land. Clearly it was some time before people realized that the idea of slavery is incompatible with life and liberty for all men. (Even more time before that included women.)

      This is the glacial pace of societal development. Slavery is repugnant, and would have ended naturally, as it did everywhere else in the world. Honestly, I believe the constitutional answer would have been to allow secession (which is not forbidden by the constitution), while outlawing slavery in the United States (upholding fundamental inalienable liberty).

      It's anyone's guess what the events forward from that point would be. I do firmly believe there would no longer be slavery in 2008, and perhaps the US would be peacefully reunified, or remain peacefully separate. In either case, the US government would not have the overreaching power it has in the real world of today, and I think the world would have been better off for it.

      Libertarians want liberty for you, too. You are free to make any sacrifices you wish, just don't try to force those sacrifices on me because that's your idea of liberty. You have the liberty to go fuck yourself.

    5. Re:Simply horrible questions by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the ol' "It woulda fixed itself somehow." That's pretty much what Robert E. Lee thought, too. I'm sure all those slaves sitting in the Confederacy, now no longer with any kind of compunction against making the institution would have been damned happy with your weak-kneed position.

      Libertarians are like Anarchists, idiotic idealists with no grasp of reality. A Libertarian government wouldn't last five years. And don't help me, I don't want the help of lunatics. And you and Ron Paul can go both fuck yourselves.

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    6. Re:Simply horrible questions by chuck · · Score: 1

      So the unconstitutional grasping of authority and the murder of 600,000 Americans is just fine with you? I suppose the deaths of over 3,000 American servicemen and 1 million Iraqis is above board, too. Yes, compared to liberty, socialism and murder is much more appealing, thanks for enlightening me. If I could avoid helping you, I would, but in fighting for liberty, one can't be selective on who can be free.

    7. Re:Simply horrible questions by geekoid · · Score: 1

      So you want a racist, anti-woman, religious zealot to be in the white house and shove his views down the American peoples throats?
      That Says a lot about you.

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    8. Re:Simply horrible questions by chuck · · Score: 1

      No, I'm voting for Paul, not Huckabee.

    9. Re:Simply horrible questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I could avoid helping you, I would Ah, libertarianism's true colo(u)r. If you really wanted all men to be free, you would gladly support the freedom of those who disagree with you - even those who would speak as if they wished to destroy you - as long as they did not lift a finger to do so.

      But, no, that's not what libertarianism is actually about. It's actually about the mentally strong rationalizing a selfish existence. Fairly short-sighted, really, since a simple welfare state that keeps the weak alive but underfoot would provide more cheap labo(u)r for you than one where the lowest echelons wither.

      Anyway, the best thing about libertarianism is that it's only 50 years away from monarchy. Rights, you say? When all land is private, and a handful of oligarchs can set policy on their own land, I look forward to the Paulings of the world - like all aging, dejected extremists tend to do - doing a U-turn and waving the red flag.
    10. Re:Simply horrible questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Straw man arguments are lies.

  49. Re:Clearly by Kintar1900 · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but Ron Paul is against womens rights

    That's news to me. Got a citation for us?

  50. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Completely false. The proper social hierarchy seems to go something like this.

    Whites>Asians>Indians>Hispanics>Blacks

    Of course I left out several of the muddied races and their infantile ilk but you get the general idea!

  51. Education by Tony · · Score: 1

    Paul wants the Federal Department of Education gone, because they make a mess of education.

    Our education system is a mess, but I'm not sure it's the DE's fault. Partly it's the fault of parents who don't take an interest or actively participate in their own child's education. Partly it's a funding system that penalizes poor neighborhoods. Partly it's the politicization of education, and not just by the DE.

    What is Congressman Paul's suggestion for fixing our education system?

    As for his campaign's answers: they were generally vague and not very informative. The answer to question 4 was essentially a restatement of the (very leading) question. I actually know *less* about his positions than I did going in, because I assumed he *had* positions.

    I do like his support of the Constitution. I don't like his ideas of privatizing national infrastructure. I do like his ideas on the limited effectiveness of the President. I don't like his ideas on patents. ("Patents have a role to play in encouraging innovation." This is a baseless assertion with no supporting evidence, an axiom of ignorance.) I don't know what I think of his ideas on space exploration, since his campaign didn't answer that question well, though I *really* like the idea of reducing military spending to a level consistent with national defense, and not world offense.

    So, while his goal of supporting the constitution is admirable, there are practical questions that are left unanswered.

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    1. Re:Education by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I don't like his ideas on patents. ("Patents have a role to play in encouraging innovation." This is a baseless assertion with no supporting evidence, an axiom of ignorance.)

      Or, alternatively, your statement above is the baseless assertion with no supporting evidence.

      He was asked for his position, and he gave it. It's his personal, subjective view (or at least, his campaign's subjective view.) You might not agree with it, but that doesn't make it wrong any more than it being his view automatically makes it correct.

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    2. Re:Education by DrVomact · · Score: 1

      Our education system is a mess, but I'm not sure it's the DE's fault. Partly it's the fault of parents who don't take an interest or actively participate in their own child's education. Partly it's a funding system that penalizes poor neighborhoods. Partly it's the politicization of education, and not just by the DE.

      Mostly our educational system is a mess because it is a system. More specifically, our schools are a mess because they are state schools, and the state runs them as well as it runs most everything these days. State schools were a valuable innovation back in the mid nineteenth century, insofar as they were preferable to no schools, which was the case in much of Europe at the time for the lower classes. This was not true in the United States, which always had a strong tradition of locally funded and operated schools. However, over the next 150 years, even schools in the U.S. have become so heavily dependent on Federal and State funds that they have become de facto state schools, and the bureaucracies of the individual states that also have a hand in running them are little better at it than the Federal Government. (It's a bit confusing in the U.S. to write about "the state"...in general, "the state" is a reference to the abstract, corporate entity that has as its most obvious component the Federal Government—it is not a reference to the individual States that compose the Union.)

      This is probably a Ron Paul position (I don't know, I'm not really a fan), but the answer is to privatize the schools. I resent paying huge taxes to subsidize schools that are so terrible that I haven't been able to send my own kids to them. (Private schools and home schooling have been the solution for me.) It's not the money per se, it's the waste of money. I'd gladly pay to send other people's kids to the private school of their parent's choice—I'm all for a "voucher" system.

      The problem is that the state doesn't want to let go of the schools. It sees them as a way to mold the minds of future generations so that they will become better "citizens"—that is, more obedient to the state, and willing to accept uncritically everything they are told. In the U.S., we can at least comfort ourselves with the knowledge that the state is doing as badly in accomplishing this goal as in most everything else; in Europe, there is a much longer tradition of efficiently controlled school systems, and few parents even question sending their kids to those schools.

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    3. Re:Education by Mingco · · Score: 1

      Any publicly funded service will have the problem of indirect payment. Public education has the worst of it. There are 4 ways to spend your money. 1) You can buy something for yourself. 2) You can buy something for someone else. 3) You can give the money to someone else to buy something for you. 4) You can give the money to someone else to buy something for yet a different person. In the first case, you will be very careful and frugal to match your money with your needs. You will probably get the most value out of your money spending it in #1, and perhaps decent value in #2, though the person who receives your gift may really want something different. In cases 3 and 4, we are less likely to get the best value for our money. The most direct way to get the best value out of a service (ie. teaching) is for the students or parents of students to directly pay the teachers for their service. If we are forced to give our money to a third party and we are forced to put our children in whatever school is available in our district, then parents will give little consideration to the value they get from that school once they have chosen the only thing they have a choice over--- which school district they live in. For whatever reason, we Americans have decided that socialism in the market of education is a good thing, even though we accept that socialism is inefficient in every other market in which it has been tested. The public education system won't get fixed overnight. But the first step is to recognize that an improper system of incentives has been put into place. I think that people recognize that more choice would be beneficial to public education. The difficult part is moving the system towards that goal.

    4. Re:Education by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1
      Actually, no, it is the fault of the DoE. Look, when the government is responsible for educating the citizens you've got the fox guarding the henhouse. You're just begging for the kind of ignorance that has been displayed on this thread. Amazingly, the government always comes out looking the hero in our PS history textbooks. Does that not strike anyone as odd?

      You might ask yourself WHY parents don't take a bigger role in education. It's a complicated multi-faceted answer with lots of causes but part of it is that they don't get to have much of an impact locally anymore. Sure, there are some things they can do, but most of the big problems are top-down, and top is a place they have no influence.

      I actually know *less* about his positions than I did going in, because I assumed he *had* positions.

      This says more about you than it does about him. There have been countless debates. Ron has a public record going back 20 years. There are tons of his writings on issues available on ronpaullibrary.org and on his presidential campaign website. All you have to do is go look. You don't even have to get out of your chair.

      Your not already knowing the answers to the questions being asked here (and frankly many others) are a factor of your lack of effort. And how you're complaining that the campaign didn't come to your favorite niche site and spoon feed them to you.

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  52. Although I'm not an Obama fan... by tjstork · · Score: 3, Informative

    He's actually made pretty clear some of his positions on technology, I'll give him that.

    In general, Obama is:

    a) in favor of investing in education
    b) against the NASA manned program to the moon and mars. I believe he was going to use that money to fund some third world development fund.
    c) is absolutely in favor of copyright protection in general, and is committed to the DMCA in particular.
    d) is in favor of environmental technology in general, ethanol in particular (thanks Iowa!)
    e) deploy next generation broadband
    f) in favor of net neutrality

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    1. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by Emrys · · Score: 1

      g) voted for the PATRIOT ACT

    2. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by danzona · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which PATRIOT Act? The one signed by President Bush on 10/26/2001? On 10/26/2001 Obama was serving in the Illinois State Senate and as such did not vote for or against the PATRIOT Act.

    3. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those of you asleep at the wheel, the PATRIOT act was re-authorized in March of 2006, at which time Obama voted for it.

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    4. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by meeotch · · Score: 1

      But he's against Bubble Sort. In my eyes, that completely invalidates him as an option.

    5. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by Emrys · · Score: 2, Informative

      The 2001 variant sunset 5 years after going into effect and was reauthorized in 2006. Obama voted for the reauthorization. He spoke eloquently (as usual) about various concerns, included civil liberties, but he still voted for the final reauthorization.

    6. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by patrik · · Score: 1
      Don't be a fool. Obama only voted for it after working to take a lot of the teeth out of it. It's nice that Ron Paul can say he took ideological stance but the reality is that it was going to get passed so instead of sticking his fingers in his ears, Obama worked with other other legislators to do what he could do to reduce it's "evil"-ness.

      Let me be clear: this compromise is not as good as the Senate version of the bill, nor is it as good as the SAFE Act that I have cosponsored. I suspect the vast majority of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle feel the same way. But, it's still better than what the House originally proposed. --http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statement_2/

      Yes it sucks that it got renewed at all, but it was still a republican held congress at that point and Obama probably traded his support for for those changes, and without them we'd have a much worse law on the books.
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    7. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by Katmando911 · · Score: 1

      Bubble sort sucks unless your data is already sorted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithm

      Ha, I out-nerded you :)

    8. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by statemachine · · Score: 1

      Obama only voted for it after working to take a lot of the teeth out of it

      What??! So instead of organizing a filibuster against it, he caved and voted for something *bad*... How am I supposed to believe this is good?

      Who cares if the Republicans had a majority in the Senate; the Democrats still had enough votes to filibuster this kind of fluff. But, they didn't. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are hardly different at all.

      I give credit to the Republicans on this one, when they're the minority, they filibuster more than any other party. When they're in the majority, they dismantle the filibuster piece by piece.

      Here's a tip: if it's bad, then do not vote FOR it!!

    9. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by patrik · · Score: 1

      Filibustering is not the end all be all solution. The vote passed with 89 ayes, so there definitely wasn't support for a filibuster. It was a republican held congress, so that didn't help things either. If Obama had tried to filibuster and failed, he would have had no bargaining power to add those amendments.

      I agree with you, the republicans are very good at sticking together and and the democrats are not so good at it. In general I prefer people who vote their conscience instead of their party and I wish everyone would play that way, but if the other guys do it then the Dems need to do it also to stop such crap. Anyways, at this point I think we're talking about blaming the Dems and not Obama and I am really not up for that because while, in general, I like the Dems more than the Republicans I can't and won't stand up for everything they do.

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    10. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by statemachine · · Score: 1

      Filibustering is not the end all be all solution.
      I think most people would agree, as do I.

      The vote passed with 89 ayes, so there definitely wasn't support for a filibuster. It was a republican held congress, so that didn't help things either. If Obama had tried to filibuster and failed, he would have had no bargaining power to add those amendments.
      This is where we differ. I believe that had the bill not been watered down, not so many Dems would have voted for it. Before the amendments, I believe there were more than 40 votes against, enough to build a coalition to filibuster it. If the filibuster wasn't viable, or there wasn't some other heavy influence, how could Sen. Obama have successfully attached those amendments?

      Why amend something you supposedly dislike to make more of your colleagues vote for it? Why not just make sure it dies?

    11. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by patrik · · Score: 1

      He didn't amend it to make people vote for it, he amended it to make it less wrong. Politics isn't about winning absolutely it's about winning as much as you can. You have to look at a situation decide what you can and can't get out of it and get the best you can.

      Obama pushed for the SAFE act (the EFF even endorsed this one), which had even stronger protections for civil liberties than the final PATRIOT Act Re-Authorization bill had. That failed. The House passed Bush's re-authorization bill and when it got to the Senate, he did filibuster it that time and it stopped there. So he and other senators amended it to look more like the SAFE act and it passed the Senate whereupon a committee had to merge the changes into the House version of the bill. When that happened some of his amendments were removed but enough were left in to bring people over and prevent a filibuster (hey politicians are smart like that!). At this point the game is over, he had probably promised to vote for it to bring in Republican support for his amendments, he didn't have enough support for a filibuster but at least some changes had been made.

      http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/05/fact_check_obamas_consistent_p_1.php

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    12. Re:Although I'm not an Obama fan... by statemachine · · Score: 1

      This is the part where you and I seem to disagree:

      The House passed Bush's re-authorization bill and when it got to the Senate, he did filibuster it that time and it stopped there. So he and other senators amended it to look more like the SAFE act and it passed the Senate

      Even you say he filibustered and stopped the original reauthorization bill. Why didn't he just continue? All the most controversial parts of PATRIOT were set to expire on their own. It's not like he needed to pass another bill. Sorry, I just don't agree with you on this. He had the votes to stop it and he caved. You even say so yourself.

  53. Shorter ron paul answers by tfoss · · Score: 1, Funny

    1: Who cares about all those other countries.
    2: I'm the only one who tells the truth.
    3: Bongs for everyone.
    4: I'm a typical politician.
    5: I'm a typical politician.

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    1. Re:Shorter ron paul answers by fast+penguin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      1: Who cares about all those other countries.

      heh. You keep a base in my country (Azores, Portugal) that you have used to transport innocent germany citizens to be tortured in Cuba, and then you drag us to your stupid wars. We have now two army bodies (one under the control of the president, the other the prime-minister) because as the president didn't agree to go to Iraq, a second body was created by the prime-minister. Keep your dirty money and your dirty lobbyists at home. Thank you very much.

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    2. Re:Shorter ron paul answers by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      #3 fails.

      He said "Check with your state, suckers."

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  54. I used to vote Libertarian by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    I used to vote Libertarian, and I don't smoke pot. I do enjoy getting laid, though. And I miss being able to fly without being frisked coming and going with no explanation other than "it's your turn".

  55. Hey, I'll answer questions, too. by afabbro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Asking Ron Paul questions about what he'd do if he was President is like asking me. I have as much chance of becoming President as RP does.

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    1. Re:Hey, I'll answer questions, too. by luigi6699 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a great idea. Tell you what: you raise as much money as the rest of the GOP combined in a low fundraising quarter, dominate 2/3rds of the straw polls (1st place in 43 of 67 straw polls conducted), and come second place in a few primaries. Then I'll have a few questions for you. I get very frustrated with people who complain that Paul has no chance. This isn't a competition to guess the winner. This is a competition to choose the candidate who is most closely aligned with your values and opinions on how the country should be run. If you really base your vote on your perception of a candidates likelihood to be elected, then I'll have no sympathy when you elect a dictator because the TV told you so.

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    2. Re:Hey, I'll answer questions, too. by afabbro · · Score: 1

      Won straw polls and raised some money in "a low fundraising quarter". Wow.

      I get very frustrated with people who complain that Paul has no chance.

      It's not only that Ron Paul has zero chance, it's that he has zero chance and he's a nutjob who is way outside the orbit of the average voter. Did you see his speech to his supporters following the Iowa Caucus? He lead them in a chant proclaiming how they would abolish the Federal Reserve System. Is that even on anyone's radar? I know, I know, he's so prescient and we're all simpletons. If only we saw the light!

      RP is a noisy loon who gathers a few bucks from Libertarians. That's it. That's all he's got. Big deal. You might as well listen to speeches by whoever the Natural Law Party is putting up this year because they both have the same chance of influencing anything.

      The reason "RP is not going anywhere" is a very valid argument is that he's running for president. If he was just going around giving policy speeches, then perhaps considering his words might be useful (of course, people have, and that's why his presidential campaign is a joke). But no, he's running as a candidate, so saying "RP has no chance and there's no point in listening to him" is very valid.

      RP is the exact same schtick as Pat Buchanon or Jesse Jackson. This race for president is not about winning - it's about getting some name recognition and building a mailing list you can milk for years to come for contributions and speaking engagements. RP is not serious about becoming president and never was, just as Pat Buchanon and/or Jesse Jackson in the 1980s or Al Sharpton never were.

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    3. Re:Hey, I'll answer questions, too. by Shadowlore · · Score: 1

      Really? You mean you have millions of dollars in campaign funding available? You have delegates to the RP convention?

      No, you don't have as much of a chance. Since this is slashdot:
      Romney, McCain, and Huckabee all get hit by a bus and are unable to continue their run. Who is the next RP presidential candidate? Ron Paul. Not you.

      It doesn't even have to be that extensive. If Huckabee drops, then Romney gets hit, it would be a two way race between the not-so-hidden-Democrat McCain versus Paul. Paul then gets a strong shot at it.

      Even if Ron Paul got hit by the bus, you still have no chance.

      Your comment is not insightful, it is flat out wrong. It demonstrates a fundamental lack of how the mechanics of elections work.

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    4. Re:Hey, I'll answer questions, too. by tmosley · · Score: 1

      If $20 mil is a few bucks, could I have a few bucks?

      If the one of the largest grassroots organization ever formed in under a year is just a few loons, then I guess we don't need to worry.

      I, for one, welcome our new (same as the old) torturing, money devaluing, foreign war starting, young people drafting overlords.

  56. His Answer to Question 1 by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Is not an in-depth detailed plan of "How I would do it!". But did anyone really expect a 14 page answer or more than a couple of sentences?

    Essentially, his statement was: free of capital by cessation of policing the world and subsidizing German, Japan, Korea, and hundreds of other nations. And reduce or eliminate the barriers (ie: government restrictions, FAA, etc) on private space flight.

    Seems like a pretty good answer to me...clear, honest, concise. Maybe it's the concise part you have issue with. Yes, any response to these questions will be vague and mainly a 2 sentence sound bite. But this is NOT a forum on said issue. Just a question and answer. Expect it to be a very similar response to a 30 second debate answer.

    1. Re:His Answer to Question 1 by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      This is like watching people trying to interpret a fortune teller's reading. Everyone hears what they want. That's why he *doesn't* give straight answers. You can disagree with a straight answer. He's a politician. He sucks as much as any of 'em.

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  57. perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

    He is saying two things:

    1) I have no plan
    2) I plan to have no plan

    He's a quasi libertarian, the whole goal of him reaching the white house is to reduce the federal government's role in pretty much everything.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:perfectly clear answer by mc6809e · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He is saying two things:

      1) I have no plan
      2) I plan to have no plan


      Good. I make my own damn plans. I'm a free person. I don't need a politician to make plans for me.

    2. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm glad you feel that way. And just imagine a life were everyone could live that way.

      I mean, wouldn't it be liberating to wake up and get an electric bill for 50c/KW hour because of complete de-regulation of the electricity generation market? And how free I would feel when all those crappy last mile ISP's are bought out by the back bone owners and all of my traffic gets tiered, filtered, and over charged.

      And just think about how cool it would be if the government got it's fat nose out of the way so that we could have 1 supreme software development company that could use it's control of the desktop market to crush any of those pesky competitors.

      Yeah, the combination of libertarian reduction of government ideals with the open market theory and the republican 'business first!' attitude... that would truly be an inspiring country.

      Don't get me wrong, I am all for the reduction of government in some arenas, but the idea of having a fire sale of all of the federal government's powers is not the way to do it. All that will result in is shifting power from the government to a small number of corporations. And corporations as we all know, can not be held accountable, have no morals, and have a responsibility only to the stock holders' investments.

      -Rick

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    3. Re:perfectly clear answer by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      > I'm a free person.

      Ha, that's just what they want you to think!

    4. Re:perfectly clear answer by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      I suppose in your world states and local governments also ceased to exist? Otherwise, they could and should be responsible in your daily lives and the federal gov't should not.

    5. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Great plan! I'm sure the state of Florida will stand up against some multinational conglomarate that controls the vast majority of software development world wide and provide a viable market in which that company is not allowed to interfere with it's competitors via strong arming the market with it's monopoly.

      I'm sure if a company like MS were unregulated, that a single state could impose meaningful sanctions against them that would allow for competitors inside Florida to remain in business. /sarcasm

      It's a global market, that's the whole idea behind Laissez-faire free market. But free markets only work where everyone plays by the same rules. If a vendor can exploit cheap labor in one region, they will, even if that labor is illegal in another region. If a vendor can exploit influence or market share over a competitor in another region, they will, and provided neither of them have head quarters in your State, there is squat you are going to do about it. The whole concept of free market and state level regulation is ridiculous and will only further the 'boom or bust' economic trends in the US. If anything, the opposite is required to improve the free market. More international trade agreements that establish a base level of regulation that everyone must follow, the the aggressive enforcement of those regulations.

      -Rick

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    6. Re:perfectly clear answer by alexgieg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I mean, wouldn't it be liberating to wake up and get an electric bill for 50c/KW hour because of complete de-regulation of the electricity generation market?
      Such a huge premium wouldn't attract new companies wishing to profit? More companies in the same market doesn't cause competition to increase? Increased competition doesn't cause prices to fall? Repeat the cycle some times and you'll reach the correct offer vs. demand price for electricity.

      And how free I would feel when all those crappy last mile ISP's are bought out by the back bone owners and all of my traffic gets tiered, filtered, and over charged.
      Wouldn't this suddenly turn wireless networks into a pretty attractive market, attracting new companies wishing to profit? The same argument above applies.

      And just think about how cool it would be if the government got it's fat nose out of the way so that we could have 1 supreme software development company that could use it's control of the desktop market to crush any of those pesky competitors.
      Wouldn't a deregulated market lack any IP protection? No IP protection means anyone would be able to copy and install any software anywhere. Same goes to reverse engineering. Without a government putting its fat nose on the way of the free market (by inventing these government-requiring institutions of copyrights and patents), any software company is a service provider company. So, no, it wouldn't happen.

      Yeah, the combination of libertarian reduction of government ideals with the open market theory and the republican 'business first!' attitude... that would truly be an inspiring country.
      Ah, but then, you see, if you're "pro-business" (in the sense of granting subsidies, imposing barriers, crafting anti-free-market laws etc.), then, simply put, you're not a libertarian. And vice-versa.

      Don't get me wrong, I am all for the reduction of government in some arenas, but the idea of having a fire sale of all of the federal government's powers is not the way to do it. All that will result in is shifting power from the government to a small number of corporations. And corporations as we all know, can not be held accountable, have no morals, and have a responsibility only to the stock holders' investments.
      By the way: in my opinion, a true libertarian must be against the limitation of liability that shareholders enjoy. The libertarian ideal of "free-market capitalism" only works when our freedom is counterbalanced by we having absolute responsibility for our actions. And you only get that, at the speculative market, once purchasing shares of a company links you, your well-being, your future, your destiny, to those of that company. At the prospect of you going on jail if the company commits a crime, even if you only own a single share. Do this, and you'll notice corporations becoming very good neighbors from day to night.

      Now, back to the real world...
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    7. Re:perfectly clear answer by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      I guess states like California can't then change the status of emissions in automobiles..... The states CAN regulate the SALE of those items and trust me, rather than lose the customers of Florida (and other states who think it is a good idea) they will capitulate or form some agreement that is amiable.

    8. Re:perfectly clear answer by monxrtr · · Score: 0
      It's federal government interference in the free market that prevents competition in the first place. Remove that interference, in the specific realm of artificial information scarcity through the means of patents and copyright, and you and everyone else is free to code any and all forms of operating system functions in whatever manner you wish. Result: massive increase in the quality of operating systems and massive decrease in the cost of operating systems. Basically imagine a balkanziation of the letters of the alphabet where you need to license to use each letter of the alphabet from a different party to create words and sentences; that's government interference in the free market through patents and copyrights.

      Monopolies are created by government interference. You use a lot of loaded words. Two consenting adults should be allowed to trade with each other at whatever terms they voluntarily agree upon. The result of trade is increased wealth; that which is received is valued more than that which is given away in exchange. That's the only reason trade ever occurs, whether it's trade of dollars for food, apples for oranges, or labor for dollars.

      It's completely absurd to spout

      The whole concept of free market and state level regulation is ridiculous and will only further the 'boom or bust' economic trends in the US. It's completely absurd for you to walk into a grocery store and tell other shoppers what they will purchase for themselves and for yourself. Everytime you buy something, everytime you make a choice, that's a free market action.
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    9. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Sucks to be a low population state. How well do you think the state emission regulations would have stuck if they started off in Nebraska?

      -Rick

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    10. Re:perfectly clear answer by patrik · · Score: 2, Informative

      I mean, wouldn't it be liberating to wake up and get an electric bill for 50c/KW hour because of complete de-regulation of the electricity generation market?
      Such a huge premium wouldn't attract new companies wishing to profit? More companies in the same market doesn't cause competition to increase? Increased competition doesn't cause prices to fall? Repeat the cycle some times and you'll reach the correct offer vs. demand price for electricity.

      Are you daft? If the government pulls out of regulating the electricity market, the power lines have to belong to someone and you can be damn sure that without regulation no power company is going to allow competition. The same with ISPs and roadways. I guess you'd propose that these new companies spend billions of dollars digging new power lines laying new data lines and roadways, just so that they can compete, it wouldn't happen and people would be horribly exploited. Not to mention having two of everything would create a huge sink in both economic and natural resources. This just wouldn't work and there's no way to enforce competition in such a system without government intervention.

      We could go into hospitals as that as the perennial examples against free market systems, but I am sure everyone has heard these, besides I think the electricity/roadways/data lines make a an even better example.

      The truth is free market is a very limited idea like trying to solve a physics problem assuming the problem exists in an environment without air and without friction, it's happy thoughts all the way until you really that it's not real life.

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    11. Re:perfectly clear answer by monxrtr · · Score: 0

      Such a huge premium wouldn't attract new companies wishing to profit? More companies in the same market doesn't cause competition to increase? Increased competition doesn't cause prices to fall? Repeat the cycle some times and you'll reach the correct offer vs. demand price for electricity. Not only that, but power delivery would likely be much more decentralized. It's State interference that has resulted in a system of tentacle power lines hooked to monopoly power delivery corporations like Commonwealth Edison (and of course the contributing competition restricting patents). Why couldn't power be purchased the same way as batteries, the same way as computer power supplies? You could order online the bulk amount of power you need or just go shopping for power cells or recharged power cells the same way you purchase gas from a gas station. That's more what a free market in energy system would look like. You could also generate your own surplus power from solar cells, etc. And as the cost is much more directly observed it might even have beneficial environmental side effects, reducing waste and pollution. You could certainly even have competing delivery/install businesses that hook up recharged power cells to the outside of your home monthly. Now that would be true competition severing the regulated power line tentacles. Then you have massive cost savings from eliminating an irrelevant expensive to maintain line system for power delivery. Solar would directly compete with wind would directly compete with oil, coal, and natural gas, would directly compete with nuclear in charging standardized bulk size power generator cells. Differing energy sources would just charge cell batteries to power your home energy needs. Hell, even riding an exercise bike could add additional charge to cells, or you could hook up mini cell rechargers to your automobile wheels to recycle energy power use.

      Well there's my Presidential platform on future energy policy, advocating a free market competitive solution to provide energy at the cheapest supply and demand means possible.
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    12. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

      It's completely absurd for you to walk into a grocery store and tell other shoppers what they will purchase for themselves and for yourself. Every time you buy something, everytime you make a choice, that's a free market action. You are right. It is absurd of me to demand that every person in the US buys produce free of contaminants. It is horrendous of me to demand people who buy toys can only buy toys that are colored with lead free paint. It is entirely despicable of me as a resident of WI to demand that slave labor is not aloud in Ill.

      Lets say I own a software company, and I have a 90% share of the OS market. I use my unregulated power over the monopoly I have to prevent other companies to compete with my Office suite. My business is based in, lets say Washington, and my prime competitor, we'll say is in California. Now, the state of Massachusetts is pissed off because I won't let 90% of computers easily run with my competitor's Office suite. But, I'm not in their State, and neither is my competitor. So what are they going to do? The could bar the sale of my software in their State, and hop that the threat to sales would alter my behavior. Looking at the numbers, I can see the money I would lose by working with my competitor in that state, and I can see the sales I would lose in that state. But realistically, I know that people in MA aren't going to just stop buying computers. They'll cross state lines, order them online, or buy them on the black market. So my sales won't really be impacted. So enacting a state ban would only hinder the residents of that state, and do nothing to prevent me from exercising my power.

      Sure, maybe if you could get enough states to put up a fight, after years and years of exploitation, you could have some effect. Or if WA started something, but then it's just a mater of relocating the corporate head quarters to some offshore, and it's business as usual. So long as the investors are still seeing a profit, my reign will continue.

      I agree with you that IP laws are a plague to modern invention and business, but the wholesale abdigation of regulation is not the way to rectify it. We need to toss out the dirty bathwater, not burn down the house around it.

      Two consenting adults should be allowed to trade with each other at whatever terms they voluntarily agree upon. There are limits to that. Because as you have just phrased it, debtor armies and slave labor would be entirely acceptable.

      -Rick
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    13. Re:perfectly clear answer by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Great plan! I'm sure the state of Florida will stand up against some multinational conglomarate that controls the vast majority of software development world wide and provide a viable market in which that company is not allowed to interfere with it's competitors via strong arming the market with it's monopoly.

      Hmmm... I didn't know Disney was a software developer. I guess some people consider the content on DVD videos to be "software," so you may have a point.

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    14. Re:perfectly clear answer by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      Low population states don't have the same sway. Nothing is stopping states from "Talking" to one another and discussing a solution that could work for all involved

    15. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Such a huge premium wouldn't attract new companies wishing to profit? More companies in the same market doesn't cause competition to increase? Increased competition doesn't cause prices to fall? Repeat the cycle some times and you'll reach the correct offer vs. demand price for electricity. Do you know how much it costs, per foot, to run an over head powerline? The enterance cost of power distribution is huge! A company would have to spend billions of dollars to develop and install a 2nd set of copper to run power to all the same places that the exiting power company's lines run to.

      Wouldn't this suddenly turn wireless networks into a pretty attractive market, attracting new companies wishing to profit? The same argument above applies. And you fall into the same problem. Even if the wireless providers offer an alternative to last mile wireing, they still have to plug into the same backbone as the old last mile providers, and will suffer the same fate. The only other alternative is to lay a new backbone, which again, is absurdly expensive.

      Ah, but then, you see, if you're "pro-business" (in the sense of granting subsidies, imposing barriers, crafting anti-free-market laws etc.), then, simply put, you're not a libertarian. And vice-versa. Which is exactly why I call Ron Paul a 'quasi-libertarian' (or a wannabe).

      -Rick
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    16. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Woh, wouldn't that be a crazy idea, if a bunch of States, United, and formed some kind of group, or Republic, to help them combat interstate and international issues that could not be resolved at the local level?

      Man, that's some out there thinking!

      -Rick

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    17. Re:perfectly clear answer by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      a fire sale of all of the federal government's powers is not the way to do it. All that will result in is shifting power from the government to a small number of corporations. Or from federal to state government, no?
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    18. Re:perfectly clear answer by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      This is not "The Federal Gov't" but rather consortiums of like minded states in smaller groups that have much in common. The NY/NJ/PA alliance may be different from the FL/GA/AL alliance, get it?

    19. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Gut the federal regulations of power companies and see how long it takes for every state in the US to come up with new regulations and get them passed the legislature and onto the Govener's desk.

      Even if it only takes a few weeks, there will undoubtedly be a slew of Enron-like scandles with reseling power, time shifting energy for profit margins, and a lower quality of service for the customers.

      Some arenas the states need to take power back from the US. Some arenas they don't. But in each case the process should be very clearly defined, and any distibution of power from the federal government to the states should be done in such a way that there is no period of un-regulated time.

      -Rick

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    20. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Yeah, in the same way that the 'Northern' states alliance was different than the 'Southern' states alliance. That worked out beautifully last time we tried it, didn't it?

      -Rick

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    21. Re:perfectly clear answer by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      Depends on the actual implications of each alliance and cross alliance. You assume everything now is as it was. I sure hope somebody ends slavery and we get rid of Lincoln......

    22. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

      As per Einstein, "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

      And the always classic George Santayana phrase, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

      And for one last appropriate comment from the dead, I give you Alphonse Karr, "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

      -Rick

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    23. Re:perfectly clear answer by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      Your problem is assuming that similar = same. This is not about the North vs the South. This is more like VT and NH having similar interests in logging/maple syrup and setting up conditions for business that respect their interests. Your inability to distance yourself from creating false assumptions is what weakens your argument.

    24. Re:perfectly clear answer by Cederic · · Score: 1


      Forgive my European ignorance, but precisely what the fuck is the point of federal deregulation if you replace it with local and state regulation?

      How is it that the Federal government is bad when the state government is good? That is illogical.

      Either secede from the union or stfu and let the federal government govern. Is this so difficult?

    25. Re:perfectly clear answer by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      It is Euro Ignorance, but you are forgiven. Our states are roughly the size of your countries. The people are also disparate and have different wants, needs and desires. Keeping it local allows it to A) fuck up fewer people's lives and be closer to what the people want. A long sweeping stroke will likely paint less precisely.

    26. Re:perfectly clear answer by Cederic · · Score: 1


      As I said: Secede from the union.

      Either combine properly or get out. And yes, that's precisely the issue Europe is struggling with at the moment.

    27. Re:perfectly clear answer by jasenj1 · · Score: 1

      Government != Federal Government. You have confused ANY government involvement, regulation, whatever, with FEDERAL government regulation.

      Ron Paul is for a more Constitutional federal government - that means the feds get their noses out of a lot of places the Constitution doesn't give them permission to be.

      - Jasen.

    28. Re:perfectly clear answer by alexgieg · · Score: 2, Informative

      The same with ISPs and roadways. I guess you'd propose that these new companies spend billions of dollars digging new power lines laying new data lines and roadways, just so that they can compete, it wouldn't happen and people would be horribly exploited.
      Wait, wait. You must chose one or the other. Either providing power/networking/etc. is extremely profitable, meaning it costs little and can be sold for a lot, or it also costs a lot, and thus the profits aren't that huge in comparison. Now, in either case, it's still a matter of investing 'x' and recovering 'x' over some time, then profit afterwards. Why, exactly, wouldn't competitors be interested?

      On the other hand, let's suppose, for the sake of argumentation, that you're correct, that neither new power lines aren't built, nor some other solution is developed (and yes, you underestimate the level of ingenuity the "profit motive" can leverage), and thus that electricity stays very, very expensive, in a true "natural monopoly" situation. Well, wouldn't that mean a lower amount of electricity being produced over a given period of time compared to what we have now? Now, where does electricity come from? Mostly from oil, coal, gas and nuclear sources, right? So, doesn't less electricity being consumed means a lower consumption of finite natural resources? In other words, the options we have in a free market of energy are either correct offer vs. demand prices due to creative competition, or a kind of forced nature preservation. I don't know about you, but whatever the outcome of such a move was, to me it still would seem like a win-win situation.

      We could go into hospitals as that as the perennial examples against free market systems, but I am sure everyone has heard these
      Er... I haven't. But from what I see here in Brazil, where we have a lot of both public-owned and private hospitals, the private ones are always better, and not too expensive. I pay $60/month for a private health plan, and I have access to all (yes, all) evidence-based treatments available to all known illnesses. Now, admittedly, the government has had some influence in this, as it has over time increased the minimum requirements private health plans must obey, all the while however failing miserably in making their own hospitals reach 10% of what it demands from private ones. Even so, though, the health plan companies manage to comply, and as they compete against each other for customers, their services improve, as do their hospitals.

      But I have no precise idea on how the health system in the USA works, though. If you would be so kind as to explain I'd be thankful.
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    29. Re:perfectly clear answer by alexgieg · · Score: 1

      Do you know how much it costs, per foot, to run an over head powerline? The enterance cost of power distribution is huge! A company would have to spend billions of dollars to develop and install a 2nd set of copper to run power to all the same places that the exiting power company's lines run to.
      Well, to run these lines to all of them, yes. But we're talking about fully government-unrestricted competition. A company could start by building a power plant designed to compete on a small scale at a single location. Or be creative and do something else. In any case, either it would be economically feasible, meaning prices and profit the current power company have are way above what they should; or they are on the spot or near it, meaning no competition is necessary, maybe because the current power company fears it and isn't raising prices all it could. And what if it does increase prices absurdly over the night? Then we go back to case #1, in which building a new plant and competing is economically interesting.

      Actual competition on one hand, resulting in lowering prices; or "virtual competition" due to fear of actual competition, resulting in prices already below what would make it an interesting market for competitors. In either case, it's the price that keeps offer and demand balanced. I really don't understand what is it that people see as "wrong" when they look at this.
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    30. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Correct, Similar != same. But a civil war is a civil war, whether it's over slavery, religious differences, economic disparity, or any other issue. Sure, maybe the NH/VT Maple Syrup coalition would be fine, but who's to say every single other alliance would also be fine for all times. It takes only one failure to start a war.

      You are opperating under the assumption that State behavior would remain relatively unchanged with out Federal oversight. That assumption is with all likelihood, false. Sure, Wisconsin isn't going to invade the UP the day Ron Paul takes office, but what's to say that 50 years from now, with the Federal Government effectively neutered, VA won't be looking to annex WV?

      In the here and now, the implications of stripping federal regulations in a wholesale and thoughtless manner, as Ron Paul has been pushing for, would certainly have dire consequences along with the rays of sunshine that RP followers appear to have crammed up their back sides.

      Heck, he has pretty much said in this very "interview" that he would maintain IP laws that protect corporations and in other responses further limit the consumer's ability to take part in inter-state/federal class action lawsuits.

      Yet still, /.ers appear to be drawn to him like 6th graders to fart jokes.

      -Rick

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    31. Re:perfectly clear answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, wouldn't it be liberating to wake up and get an electric bill for 50c/KW hour because of complete de-regulation of the electricity generation market? And how free I would feel when all those crappy last mile ISP's are bought out by the back bone owners and all of my traffic gets tiered, filtered, and over charged.
      That's a nice straw man. Show your evidence that this would have these results, or admit that it's not a given that deregulation would automatically create highly priced monopolies. In fact, when I look at markets which are highly regulated (telecommunications) versus markets which are highly unregulated (software) I see vastly more competition and vastly lower prices in the unregulated market.

      And just think about how cool it would be if the government got it's fat nose out of the way so that we could have 1 supreme software development company that could use it's control of the desktop market to crush any of those pesky competitors.
      Competitors to Microsoft are doing pretty well despite the government's almost complete lack of will to do anything about Microsoft's desktop OS monopoly and abuse thereof. I'm not convinced in any way that stronger government intervention against Microsoft would be any sort of good thing, despite the fact that Microsoft has been bad for the industry overall.
    32. Re:perfectly clear answer by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Well, you can do that now and let the people and the states handle the situation. Or you can wait a few years until the lobbyiest buy the laws that will allow them to do so.

      Ron Paul WANTS corporations to be held accountable. The laws governing corporations are re-goddamn-diculous. The reason why corporations have so much power is because of the laws. If corporations were made to be as responsible for their actions as the average citizen, you would see a drastic change in how things work. Imagine being able to charge an electric company for extortion, for example. If a corporation is abusing its niche within a state, then the state should be able punish said corporations as it sees fit. If the corporation withdraws, then someone will step in to takes it's place.

      And how the hell do you think he would firesale the government? He talks about reduction, not elimination. Whatever he does has to be approved by congress. How about you stop and think for a minute.

      Ron Paul is a very smart guy. He knows he can't just cut the government. He knows he can't balance the budget in the first year. Their are obstacles and challenges. Like all candidates, he is stating what he would like to do and work towards, not what is actually going to happen. Stop taking the blue pill for a second, and take a real hard look at our country. We are not well.

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    33. Re:perfectly clear answer by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

      You're worried about corporations?

      Government has one thing corporations certainly don't : a monopoly on the use of force.

      You fears are misplaced, or at least prioritized incorrectly.

    34. Re:perfectly clear answer by triffidsting · · Score: 1

      And corporations as we all know, can not be held accountable, have no morals, and have a responsibility only to the stock holders' investments. Because the government is the paragon of accountability, morality, and fiscal responsibility.
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    35. Re:perfectly clear answer by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, in the same way that the 'Northern' states alliance was different than the 'Southern' states alliance. That worked out beautifully last time we tried it, didn't it?

      Or you could have an alliance of northeastern states and California. Isn't that already happening, I means aren't some northeastern states already supporting CA's waiver request to tighten auto emissions?

      Falcon
    36. Re:perfectly clear answer by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      As I said: Secede from the union.

      Either combine properly or get out. And yes, that's precisely the issue Europe is struggling with at the moment.

      It doesn't need to be one or the other. Each state can try it's own thing without bothering other states.

      Falcon
    37. Re:perfectly clear answer by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Do you know how much it costs, per foot, to run an over head powerline? The enterance cost of power distribution is huge! A company would have to spend billions of dollars to develop and install a 2nd set of copper to run power to all the same places that the exiting power company's lines run to.

      There's no need to run powerlines all over at once. If electrical cost get too much then a person can install an alternative electrical source. Say someone in sunny California see their next power bill and it says $5000 when the previous month it was $250, and KW usage didn't go up that much. So they call Solar Installer X to install a solar system. Their neighbors learn about this and install their own solar system, and from there it spreads. The power company can either lower prices to keep customers or they will lose many of them. They'd have to look at their business and decide whether it's more profitable to charge 10,000 customers $250 or 10 $5000. Or maybe X will agree to wire a bunch of neighbors with solar and charge each one $500 per month.

      Falcon
    38. Re:perfectly clear answer by RingDev · · Score: 1

      And a sudden nation wide demand for solar power would do nothing to the price of silicone? Even if the price on solar units stayed relatively stable, you're still looking at probably $6k for an integrated roof system that in So Cal might offset the usage of 1 average family.

      So, well to do single family houses would be able to afford it. Middle class and below single family houses would likely not. And anyone living in a multiple resident building would be screwed. Such actions will crush the middle class, starve the poor, and be relatively insignificant to those who have the money to work with. But I guess if your goal is to increase to economic disparity between the haves and the have nots, deregulating the electric industry is a great way to do so!

      -Rick

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    39. Re:perfectly clear answer by patrik · · Score: 1

      I don't see how it's the same. It's not the complete duplication of infrastructure. I grant you that everyone has farms, everyone has a packaging plant, everyone has a truck service. The difference here is that on farms they work to capacity so they're not wasting they're just producing more as they're all working at capacity (in theory). Furthermore, buying a farm and hiring a packaging plant and a distributor won' cost you billions of dollars, so they buy in for new companies is reasonable. In other words the situation itself does not necessarily hamper competition. With power lines it doesn't make sense to run 2(or more) power lines to every house, it doesn't make sense to use up twice the amount of land to run them other, twice the amount of copper (expensive stuff) to make the wires, twice the amount of wood to make poles. Laying lines would literally cost billions of dollars and the chance to make a profit would be so far down the road that it's likely that any company that tried would go bankrupt.

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    40. Re:perfectly clear answer by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      And a sudden nation wide demand for solar power would do nothing to the price of silicone?

      As it is now there's research into using materials other than silicon for PVs. With higher demand for silicon this will allow more money to be put into research on others.

      Even if the price on solar units stayed relatively stable, you're still looking at probably $6k for an integrated roof system

      Seeing as how CA has one of the highest cost for electricity $6K isn't much. Late last year one /.er said he pays $300 a month for electricity, one year's electrical bills would cover that. However state and national incentives will cover part of the cost of the system. DSIRE, Database of State Incentives for Renewables and Efficiency, lists the incentives for California. For instance California Solar Initiative - Photovoltaics Incentives aims "to provide more than $3 billion in incentives for solar-energy projects with the objective of providing 3,000 MW of solar capacity by 2017." For residential systems below 100kw it provides $2.50 per watt. Of course $6000 may not be enough to pay for a system that produces all of it's own power. Besides the PVs a stand alone system will require batteries for energy storage while it's not sunny.

      Falcon
    41. Re:perfectly clear answer by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Either providing power/networking/etc. is extremely profitable, meaning it costs little and can be sold for a lot, or it also costs a lot, and thus the profits aren't that huge in comparison. Now, in either case, it's still a matter of investing 'x' and recovering 'x' over some time, then profit afterwards. Why, exactly, wouldn't competitors be interested?

      The answer is fixed costs vs. marginal costs. It costs a lot to build all the power lines, compared to the cost of pumping electricity though them. Hence, the monopoly can charge huge rates. If someone seeks to compete, they start in one area. Suddenly, that area's rates go down, so the competitor loses money after factoring in the cost of the lines. As soon as the competitor goes out of business because it cannot pay the interest on the loans to build the lines(unlike the monopoly which already owns the lines so it only has to pay upkeep costs, and is big enough that the money comes from elsewhere), the monopoly raises the rates again.

      In other words, the options we have in a free market of energy are either correct offer vs. demand prices due to creative competition, or a kind of forced nature preservation. I don't know about you, but whatever the outcome of such a move was, to me it still would seem like a win-win situation.

      Alternatively, rather than one company getting all that cash, the government could unilaterally raise the rates to that level and use the cash to pay down the debt. Or lower taxes. But, honestly, no one thinks excessive profit taking is good for the economy, conservation or any other cause.

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    42. Re:perfectly clear answer by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      . The libertarian ideal of "free-market capitalism" only works when our freedom is counterbalanced by we having absolute responsibility for our actions.

      If not the federal government, who sets and collects the fees to offset pollution? In other words, where does your responsibiliy for air or water pollution actually gets recognized. Where does your pollution of the EM spectrum that you broadcast on get reflected?

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  58. About those "tech-oriented questions" by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    On January 15th we asked you for tech-oriented questions

    1. Global high tech
    2. Why Can't I Get a Straight Answer
    3. Marijuana
    4. What do you think about technology?
    5. What do you think about patents?


    Two out of five questions have nothing to do with technology. And, one of the three is only marginally about technology.

    Fail.
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    1. Re:About those "tech-oriented questions" by JavaLord · · Score: 1

      Two out of five questions have nothing to do with technology. And, one of the three is only marginally about technology.

      Seriously, from now on we should have more tech oriented questions. Like:

      1. Implement a linked list in x86 assembler. Be prepared to explain your code.
      2. How do you feel about Richard Stallman not using a web browser...at all.
      3. Would you give federal subsides to Ziff Davis to get Tech TV back on the air?
      4. Which do you feel is superior, VI or Emacs, and why?
      5. If you had to pull a Lewinisky, who would you pick between Kate Botello and Veronica Bellmont?

      BONUS QUESTION: Name three design patterns and how you'd implement them in any language.

    2. Re:About those "tech-oriented questions" by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Or, even better:

      What is your opinion of the MS monopoly situation and the way the justice department handled it?
      What will your administration do about companies that abuse the H1-B system? Will you over-haul it?
      Are you for or against Net Neutrality?
      Is intercepting email the same as wire-tapping?
      Do you believe control of the internet should be given over completely to ICANN?
      Will the export of cryptographic software remain illegal if you are elected?
      Will you switch the government to FLOSS?

      My signature applies to you.

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  59. you mistakenly believe by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    that if a fringe party or candidate wins, all of the wrongs you listed gets reversed. as if war suddenly won't happen anymore. as if everybody will be fiscally responsible all of a sudden. rainbows and unicorns will become plentiful too. you believe the hype

    no, all that will happen is that the legacy of the fringe candidate or the fringe party cannibalizes the base of the democrats or the republicans, and simply replaces them. in all ways. until after a few years, you can't tell the difference between the previously fringe and the well-established at all

    but don't take my word on it, read about the whig party. it happened before, and it almost happened with ross perot in the 1990s, and it might happen again if the republicans or the democrats leave their base feeling very disenchanted

    and btw, this shift to entrenched behavior by the fringe HAS to happen. you have to pander to the great moderate middle in order to retain power. and this is a GOOD thing: democracy ensures that the moderate middle is satisfied, resulting in a stable government and society. of course, this is not so good for the malcontents on the fringe of the left and right. but again, it's a GOOD thing the fringe left and the fringe right are never electable in a democracy. the fringe is fringe for a reason: their agenda does not match the agenda of the people. therefore, their agenda should not be in the halls of power. simple (and for those who think gw bush is a radical rightist or bill clinton is a radical leftist: this speaks more information about your own fringe status in the opposite direction than any truth of the right ideoogical orientation of these presidents: a little to the right, and a little to the left)

    all that really happens in elections with relatively popular fringe candidates like ron paul is that if the fringe party is from the right, it fractures the right's support base and the lefty candidate wins (ross perot got bill clinton elected). if the fringe party candidate is from the left, it fratures the left's support base and the righty candidate wins (ralph nader got george bush elected)

    so, being a democrat myself, i fully support the ron paul candidate. most of his fringe supporters would otherwise vote republican. therefore, ron paul ensures a democratic victory

    so go ron paul!

    (snicker)

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    1. Re:you mistakenly believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "that if a fringe party or candidate wins, all of the wrongs you listed gets reversed."

      A journey of a thousand miles first begins with one step.

    2. Re:you mistakenly believe by anagama · · Score: 1

      Nobody is pandering to the great moderate middle. That may have been true decades ago, but as more and more people leave the two parties, you end up with two radicalized parties and candidates who play to the extremes, ignoring the middle.

      And yeah, I know Ron Paul wouldn't bring peace to the world. He would bring it to America, and as we aren't the United States of the World, that's what mainly counts. Of course I'm aware that as president, he wouldn't be able to effectuate many of his policies without a willing congress.

      Now I'm starting to boil a bit -- who gives a rip if he "steals" from the parties. Plainly anyone who would vote for Ron Paul didn't belong to either of the corrupt-more-of-the-same-six-of-one-half-dozen-of-the-other political parties. And besides, I've never voted Republican in my life so Ron Paul isn't your regular spoiler. Actually, it doesn't even make sense to call Ron Paul a spoiler by "stealing" Democrat votes. Isn't that the goal of any candidate, to get the votes of everyone?

      What this country really needs, is to have the two major parties knee-capped, bashed over the head, and left for dead. If that happened, we might get over these fuzzy headed "spoiler" ideas and get some real solutions. Of course, maybe nothing would change, but if things stay as they are, it's a certainty that nothing will change.

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  60. lol by spasticfraggle · · Score: 1
    Whoever put question 3 after question 2 deserves a gold star. After getting them to say "The American people should expect clear and direct answers to their questions.", you see this:


    My question is this: Do you believe I belong in jail? If so, why? If not, what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?

    Ron Paul campaign:
    I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws.

    Oh, 3 questions, and er,.... no answers to any of them. Especially to "what are you going to do..."

    1. Re:lol by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      The really bad thing is that potheads will assume this means he is for decriminalization or legalization of pot, when he is really saying that the laws and enforcement should be handled at the state level.

      Ron Paul is not for legalizing pot, he is for making the states deal with it.

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    2. Re:lol by Wolvey · · Score: 1

      He is for decriminalization at the federal level. Some states have already spoken and legalized use for medicinal purposes, only to have the feds swoop in and put cancer patients in prison.

  61. Well, if you don't vote, then . . . by Tanman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you don't vote, then your opinion doesn't count for much, does it?

    Why don't you quit blabbermouthing for "insightful" posts on slashdot, and instead do something that makes a difference like try to get the man some delegates! I mean, damn, what the hell.

  62. Imaginary Property rights by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty disappointed in his answer to this, as he's supposed to be the candidate who cares about the Constitution. If the Supreme Court says an apple is really an orange, that's not going to get me to start calling apples "oranges".

    IP is not property. I hold hundreds of copyrights, two of them registered with the US Copyright office (Library of Congress) with ISBNs. But I do not own the works I hold copyright to; nobody owns them. Constitutionally, I hold a limited time monopoly on the reproduction of those works. Not the works themselves. The copyright is supposed to get me to make more works, which will pass into the public domain.

    It can be argued that my copyrights are my property, but it cannot be argued that I own the works themselves.

    I would rather the candidates be asked how long a copyright should remain in effect. Personally I think it should be 20 years. I also think the law that makes singers' and musicians' recordings "works for hire" should be repealed, and I'd like to know what the candidates' views on this are.

    -mcgrew
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    1. Re:Imaginary Property rights by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Hi. You are stupid.

      You own, for a limited time, the right to control who can legally make copies of your works. That is why it is called copyright, get it, Copy Right. The intellectual property is property. While you may not own the property, you own the right to control the copying and distribution of said property as long as you hold the copyright. If you sell the copyright, someone else then owns the right to control the copying and distribution of said property.

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    2. Re:Imaginary Property rights by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Hi. You are stupid.

      I normally don't repond to flames or folamebait, but I'll make an exception since it seems you are most likely not drinking age yet.

      You own, for a limited time, the right to determine who can or cannot enter the apartment you rent.

      You do not own that apartment. You cannot will it to your heirs in perpetuity.

      I own my house. I have all rights asociated with a rented house, but I own it foreverand can will it to my heirs in perpetuity.

      Now grow up or stay the hell out of a grown up forum, kid.

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    3. Re:Imaginary Property rights by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1
      Hi, you are even more stupid than I thought.

      You own, for a limited time, the right to determine who can or cannot enter the apartment you rent.

      You do not own that apartment. You cannot will it to your heirs in perpetuity.


      Oh, you want to use that as an analogy? Fine, let me put it in a way someone of your limited intellect can understand.

      One can purchase a multi-year lease. If I purchase a 100 year lease on an apartment, I can, in fact, will the right to that 100 year lease to my heirs, who may continue to use said apartment long after I am dead. This is just like how intellectual property copy rights survive the death of the original owner. This hypothetical lease and intellectual property copyright also share something else in common. The exclusive rights are for a limited time; 100 years for the lease, and for whatever the law allows for the copy right. Perpetuity does not enter into it.

      I am probably older than you are. Now, do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up.
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  63. Contradiction - in #4 not in #3 by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

    Essentially, his answer to question #3 is "the federal government should leave it to the states". Fair enough for a candidate for a federal office.

    But as Serenissima already posted, the answer to question #4 does fail to keep the promise from question #2.

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    1. Re:Contradiction - in #4 not in #3 by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Essentially, his answer to question #3 is "the federal government should leave it to the states". Fair enough for a candidate for a federal office.

      Why would that be acceptable? For one, customs regulation is a federal matter. For another, many people, including on slashdot, want to know a candidate's opinions on gay marriage, abortion, and evolution, areas where the president has little or no sway. Aside from pure curiousity, there is also a matter of understanding his intellectual method. If he said, "I think the federal government should stay out of it and there should be no state laws against it", that would be an answer. But that was half an answer at best designed to allow people to read him as pro/anti marijuna legalization as needed.

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    2. Re:Contradiction - in #4 not in #3 by Roblimo · · Score: 2, Informative

      A Slashdot reader truly interested in the issues you mention can find many statements about them from every candidate. The point here was not to ask questions the candidates have answered (often many times, and often on their own websites), but to ask questions that have not been answered by the candidates in easily-found material published elsewhere.

    3. Re:Contradiction - in #4 not in #3 by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      You miss the point of why I brought up those topics. They are yet more examples of things the president has no control over. I was stating that "It's not a presidential function" is a dodge at best, since that in no way means he should not have an opinion on it.

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  64. Where do we put our resources? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From a purely economic point of view it is probably better to let the mentally ill and unemployable just die on the street instead of subsidizing them for the rest of their life, but that's not what most people consider acceptable for the first world.


    To me, it's a question of, "Where do we want to put our resources?"

    Do we want to invest in a better future, or in things/people that have already failed and are waiting for Darwin to claim their ticket?

    I've now had a lifetime of watching social programs try to help the unhelpable, and fail. I agree I'd rather not abandon them, but I've also come to feel that the money we spend on the failing is better spent on educating promising kids, making new technologies, cleaning up our environment, libraries, museums and colleges.

    I'm not alone in this, and this isn't my idea alone. A lot of us have after seeing what has and hasn't worked, started to question the way we're doing things.

    In my city, the people who are homeless are generally insane and often commit petty crimes. They don't like to hang around institutions, which is the only place we're going to have for them. They can't have jobs or take care of homes. Unless you jail them, they'll be on the street. What do we do in this hopeless situation?

    Or do we take the money, send bright kids to college, and recognize that nature has always been red in tooth and claw?
    1. Re:Where do we put our resources? by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      What do you propose to do with those people then? Jail them? Ship them away to some distant island? Disposing of them in any other gentle way? Why not just kill them? You might want to feed on them...

    2. Re:Where do we put our resources? by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1
      I was going to moderate in this discussion, but AC troll that you are, I can't let this go.

      Do we want to invest in a better future, or in things/people that have already failed and are waiting for Darwin to claim their ticket? I've now had a lifetime of watching social programs try to help the unhelpable, and fail. I agree I'd rather not abandon them, but I've also come to feel that the money we spend on the failing is better spent on educating promising kids, making new technologies, cleaning up our environment, libraries, museums and colleges.

      You don't get it, and I'm too nice a guy to wish understanding on you. I hope you don't have to get it.

      If you had a kid with Down Syndrome or autism you'd understand. If you suddenly woke up and found reality slipping away from you, as many people who develop schizophrenia do in early adulthood, you'd get it. The money spent helping these people is not "waste" and the supports are not "failing" but are among the resounding successes of our civilization.

      Not that I think there is not room for improvement, but I can't figure out what standard people who say the social safety net is failing are using.

      We can't Darwin our way to a better future. Natural selection cannot lead to progress. Once survivability of a species is not in question, natural selection really doesn't have anything to offer.

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    3. Re:Where do we put our resources? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Not that I think there is not room for improvement, but I can't figure out what standard people who say the social safety net is failing are using.

      We've had decades of welfare, and as a result, we have inner cities blighted by ghettos. These safety nets are anything but; instead of helping people improve their lives, they only encourage them to develop bad habits.

    4. Re:Where do we put our resources? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Look at countries without any form of welfare. They tend not to have nice cities with a few bad "ghettos" - most of the country is a form of ghetto, often rules by militias. Ghettos aren't a result of welfare. They are pretty much the default condition. It's through community efforts and helping one another that we get nice cities and towns.

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    5. Re:Where do we put our resources? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Well here in the US, we didn't have ghettos before the urbanization of the 20th century, and ghettos got really bad after welfare came along and gave people a reason to not bother working, or to not work legitimately so they could collect a welfare check while still getting money under the table (usually from the drug trade).

      Maybe other countries have figured out how to have welfare without creating a permanent underclass which doesn't work (except for dealing drugs), but in around 40 years we certainly haven't.

      As for "helping one another", the people on welfare don't want to be helped up, they want to be helped out; they want a free ride. Good luck getting them to pitch in any effort of their own.

    6. Re:Where do we put our resources? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      That's absolute horseshit, and revisionist history. Of course there were ghettos before the 20th Century. Never heard of mining camps? Of sharecropping? They just don't look the same as modern ones, because of the lower population densities. There have always been areas where the poor and downtrodden conglomerate.

      Maybe other countries have figured out how to have welfare without creating a permanent underclass which doesn't work (except for dealing drugs), but in around 40 years we certainly haven't.

      Well, it's pretty much directly proportional to the quality of welfare and social services. If we made welfare any worse in the USA (or elimated it), then things would start to look more like Nigeria pretty darn quickly. Our welfare system is substandard, and it needs to be boosted. Then you'll see an improvement. Almost anywhere you look in the world, the nature of the "ghettos" is almost precisely proportional to how good the welfare system is.

      As for "helping one another", the people on welfare don't want to be helped up, they want to be helped out; they want a free ride. Good luck getting them to pitch in any effort of their own.

      More unsubstantiated bullshit. Thanks for proving that your worldview is based on nothing but bigotry and a sense of superiority.

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  65. marijuana by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1
    My question is this: Do you believe I belong in jail? If so, why? If not, what are you going to do to protect me from being arrested?
    Ron Paul campaign:
    I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws.

    Note that his positions are generally for State laws over Federal. Here, he simply opposes federal laws against marijuana. He says nothing about State laws, so you'd still probably be in jail. So, smoke 'em while you've got 'em.

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  66. cat analogy. by RingDev · · Score: 1

    My wife has a cat. Cat is the wrong word for it though. Foul retching hell beast, spawn of Satan, demon of the abyss, etc... are more appropriate descriptors. The thing is ancient (it's unnaturally long lifespan obviously due to some pact with the devil), demanding, cunning, and smarter then it has any right to be.

    Anyways, Saturday night I went up to the bedroom to tuck in for the night and I saw that the foul hell beast had harfed all over my favorite jeans. When I informed my wife about what the demon spawn had done, her reply was "at least she didn't puke on the bed" with a smile.

    Point being, cat harf is cat harf and political BS is political BS, regardless of where it lands and how long it took to come up with. The only thing of value is the response.

    -Rick

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  67. Pot is a touchstone question by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 1

    ...the questions are stupid; are these issues really the most important things to slashdot readers? I'd just love to have one debate/interview here that didn't involve, whatever your position, a pot question. In this context it is not just a weed. It is a symbol for all of the ways that governments interfere with our lives for insufficient reasons. The pot question is really asking: "Are you going to leave me alone as long as I'm not hurting someone else?" And most politicians come back with a convoluted answer about protecting the world from the evils of pot, which translates as: "No, I'm not going to leave you along. I think that I know how to run your life better than you do."

    Ron Paul told us that the feds will leave us alone when he is president.
  68. Fun with Question 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked the fact that on the question about why candidates don't give clear answers to direct questions, the direct question ("Do you think that I want someone in that office ... who is deliberately attempting to deceive me?") isn't answered directly. How hard would it been to throw in a "No, I don't think you want to be deceived, and you shouldn't be deceived. (So vote for me.)"?

    Part of it probably is that the answers to the questions are very short. 1-2 sentences each. Kinda surprising, since I'm used to politicians pontificating. At this point, I'm not sure if the answers are short because Ron Paul avoids hot-air and prefers brevity, or if the campaign views answering the questions as a burden, and can't be bothered to elaborate. (Given the lack of response on the other candidates, I'm leaning toward the latter. - Seriously, it sounds like something an untrained, fourth-tier flunky cobbled together in five minutes from old press releases.)

  69. Re:Clearly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but Ron Paul is against womens rights, and is just another vector to get more religion into the government.

    Both statements are absurd.

  70. Marijuana as a tech concern by prxp · · Score: 1

    we asked you for tech-oriented questions we could


    3) Marijuana

    I'm a college graduate with a decent job, (...) I smoke pot (...) etc, etc, etc


    And that's a tech-oriented question because...?

    1. Re:Marijuana as a tech concern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here.

  71. Re:Barriers to private space flight...like gravity by bunco · · Score: 1

    You're nit picking. The current US President would declare war on "the gravity" in order to accelerate the space program.

  72. I can try to clarify. by Emrys · · Score: 1

    I am a coordinator of the Ron Paul Grassroots efforts in DFW, Texas. And my /. UID length is real, I didn't buy this account.

    We're all pretty busy, which is one reason these answers are so short. I did see them before they were published, but not in time to get them to beef them up some, or I would have. Yes, they didn't get who they were talking to necessarily. At the same time, /. is not really a huge voting bloc, and they have dozens of interviews like this they are trying to respond to right now.

    Anyway, like I said, busy, but I can watch this thread some today and try to help clarify things for people. I won't claim my answers are the campaign's but I have represented them at events in the past and speak to people in the campaign and the Paul family daily so I have at least some claim to being able to get it right.

    1. Re:I can try to clarify. by earlymon · · Score: 1

      At the same time, /. is not really a huge voting bloc, and they have dozens of interviews like this they are trying to respond to right now. Lots of /.ers think highly of your guy as different. But in your one sentence, you reveal his campaign - and for me, that means the man - to be the same as all of the rest in today's sick Walmart-a-torium of candidates.

      I went to http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ - many times. Where is the platform? Where is the list of proposed policies, clearly stated, available for the American public to judge the man? And please don't respond that it's under the "Issues" link - those are just more of the same that this whole thread is about, and all we get these days, which in my opinion, boils down to, "Here are my answers to the hot questions."

      People here are thrashing the Ron Paul campaign for the answers and themselves for the questions - but you politicos are having the last laugh.

      Where was it possible for this or any group to ask, "Please elaborate on position X in subject Y, found on your web site," or, "We believe that position K contradicts your position M, please comment?" It's not possible at all - not with Ron Paul, not with any of the presidential hopefuls.

      Being elected and doing the job have become two different things in this country. Hell, maybe I'm just naive and it's always been this way. A truly different candidate would come out and do the vision thing. It was political suicide for the rich guy not too many elections ago who came with this simple approach - anyone even remember http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/forbes_flat_tax.html ? The guy didn't elected because he had thick glasses, a wealthy name, spoke about wealth and scared people by truly proposing to upset the status quo. All it took to torpedo him were guys like Jerry Brown - Jerry Brown! - to equate the idea of the flat tax with a flat earth. But you politicos missed the point, and will continue to content yourselves that you're doing the right thing running more-of-the-same-campaigns but still somehow believing that your guy is not more of the same.

      Last presidential hopeful that had one intelligent, independent issue all their own? Forbes. How did he do in a sea of howler monkeys? He didn't stand a chance.

      The lesson learned by politicians? Forget about intelligent, independent issues, people are too stupid, no one gets elected that way - and gee whiz, why don't more people vote, it's such a mystery.

      Maybe if a candidate - like Ron Paul - and his staff, or "team" (love that abuse of the word) - took the time to be proactive, you wouldn't have to worry about how hard it is to respond to so many questions from so many splinter groups - like slashdot.

      Why doesn't it say on the top of the Ron Paul website that he's a Republican? Ashamed? Or are we supposed to feel as stupid as I did months ago trying to see from his website what party the yet-another-guy-I've-never-heard-of-but-am-willing-to-take-MY-time-to-find-out is with?

      His website says - and I quote - that he's worked tirelessly for a return to sound monetary policies. What monetary policies? Anoter link - http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/debt-and-taxes/ - says we need lower taxes and - this is a hum-dinger - "We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It's called the Constitution of the United States."

      Ron Paul is exactly the same as the other candidates as far as I'm concerned - vague on issues and demogogic, as clearly evidenced by the above quotes. If he loses, please don't say, "If only we'd gotten the message out!" - because like all the rest, the only message I see is "Me, me, me."
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    2. Re:I can try to clarify. by earlymon · · Score: 1

      PS - sorry to lump you in and categorize you as a politico getting the last laugh. That was personal, and I don't even know you. I regret having said it - true or false, it was an ad hominem. Please accept my apology for that one remark, maybe by understanding it as coming from a simple place - frustration. No one today seems to be accountable to answer to what I've posed - and my opinion isn't even close to a splinter opinion on what's wrong with our system and our candidates.

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    3. Re:I can try to clarify. by Emrys · · Score: 1

      I wrote a pretty long response to this and then decided it was garbage.

      I will grant you that the campaign could do a better job giving bullet point plans for specific things.

      However, I would suggest that the reason they haven't done this is not so much that they are like every other campaign, but because Ron has been in Congress 20 years and has proposed hundreds of pieces of legislation, and they have too much faith in people doing their own research. It's also true that his message is just simpler than most. He doesn't need a 600-page plan to explain how he's going to leave you alone so you can solve your problems as works best for you instead of as dictated by Washington. The Constitution allows the Federal Government to do very little. This is not a bug, it's a feature.

      They did recently summarize his economic recovery plan, with specific bills cited. It's currenetly linked from the top-right corner of his page:
      http://www.ronpaul2008.com/prosperity

      For bills he's written on other issues, speeches, etc., see http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/ If you can't find what Ron Paul specifically thinks on pretty much any issue, I'd be very surprised. But if that's the case, you can in fact get an answer. Go to a rally and stick around after and ask him. He's famous for not leaving until everyone has a chance to talk to him. His staff hates it because he has a schedule to keep. But I've seen him take the time to answer in detail some pretty off the wall questions. Beyond that, find people near you who are close to the campaign and let them get you an answer. That's one reason I'm in here today. I've already talked to them about trying to get /. to do a followup since people wanted more details, but I don't know if /. will do it or if the campaign will decide it's a place they can afford the time. If we as a demographic (and I'm not a politico, I'm a Linux Sysadmin, thanks for the apology) want more of these people's attention we have to actually turn out the vote. Not because we want them to pander, but because even the best statesmen have limited time and have to make hard choices on where to spend it. If he has to choose to take an hour to talk to voters in a Super Tuesday state or respond to ALIPAC or respond to /., which would you have him choose? He can't do all of them at once.

    4. Re:I can try to clarify. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      untold millions and I saw zero ads for Paul on local tv in Nevada.

      What's the deal here? Is paul serious or not?

      (on that note, untold millions and not a superbowl ad?)

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    5. Re:I can try to clarify. by earlymon · · Score: 1

      I do respect that you're working for what you believe in.

      Maybe you should be modded informative for pointing to the prosperity link - I'd found it between your posting and mine, and read it.

      My point was and is simply this - politicians don't make it easy to find out what they think or what positions they really take, probably because that would alienate some voters. Your counterpoint that with his long record allows me to find out what he thinks is true but misses the essential point and my complaint.

      Suppose, because it's true, that I really care enough to want to know about all of the choices for all parties throughout this entire process. I'm not going to find anyone that's "perfect" like most people seem to want, but I've hoped to find someone whose overall stand will make me back him or her.

      How many rallies must I attend, how many cross-references must I perform, how many past records must I look up? Calculate for each hopeful and multiply by number of hopefuls - that takes a lot of time, compadre.

      The truth is, no one has that time, everyone takes shortcuts to get "close-enough" information - and I've yet to see a candidate in the field that isn't exploiting this.

      Now that we've read his Prescription for Prosperity together, you may see my point. (And it's not just that the web site sucks, this is critical info in a banner ad - who thought that gem up?)

      Where's the equivalent statement on abortion? Hate crimes? Welfare? Unemployment benefits? Foreign policy (beyond the simplistic bring-the-troops-home, let everyone fend for themselves (if that's really what he meant to say))?

      I take difference with some of his key policies. SOX (Sarbanes/Oxley regulations) were born to protect minority investors, were they not? I've had to live through the hell in paperwork they impose. But they pose no real barrier. We've sought foreign investments and guess what? Many overseas investors require SOX compliance because they believe - probably rightly so - that they avoid American crooks that can't find money here. I question the reality presented that SOX is sending jobs overseas. Here's another unpopular stand - especially on /. - I question medical mary jane. I live in a state that pioneered it and took heat for years administering it. The health care professionals and patients published in local papers their thankfulness at having THC made available in pill form, as a refinement a natural drug. For some people that benefit from medical hemp, smoking is still just smoking. Try to stay on NORML's good side with that position! So, I'm surprised that an M.D. supports what more advanced colleagues have moved on from.

      But that's just chin music.

      Your original point that I argue with - and you restate so well - was this: would I expect time spent like this on Super Tuesday for a group as small as Slashdot? (I paraphrase openly, but believe in my heart I've done so with high fidelity.)

      My rebuttal comes in two parts:
      1. How very odd that the questions posed weren't answered until Super Tuesday.
      2. The questions were less than stellar, as were the answers, because the candidates so occlude their positions - perhaps expecting that it is our responsibility to do their research for them - rather than specifically stating their positions.

      DRM support - yes or no? FCC management - what, where, how? Transportation department policies - why are Mexican truckers not put to the same standards as our own workers? Defense department - nuclear stockpile - maintain, or decrease? Military training in peacetime - increase or decrease? Abortion - continue to hide behind Supreme Court hyperbole or push the bully pulpit to pass legislation to make it federally legal? Or illegal?

      Were I to look for a job, I could not win because I expected the employer to find the truth (UFO guys, here's your cue: The Truth Is Out There!) - and I wouldn't expect an employer to have to seek out my claims. I make them, they verify.

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    6. Re:I can try to clarify. by earlymon · · Score: 1

      Many people like Ron or Barack or whomever. I don't. I'm disenfranchised by all of them. I continue to be presented with the choice of least evil. If I end up supporting Ron, it will be because of that. And because he actually said something intelligent and true the other night to McCain and Romney about Iraq when they were babbling about buzzwords and timetables. IOW- I'd end up supporting him on a soundbite - just like every candidate hopes for.

      I'll shut up now. Whatever you might say, the last word is yours.

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  73. Re:Clearly by John+Little+John · · Score: 0

    With respect to Ron Paul, you could not possibly be more wrong even if you tried 1,000,000 times to best yourself in how wrong you are about his views on government-mandated abortion rights.

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  74. this is a classic myth by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    the conscience and awareness of the "uneducated" masses is actually more resistant to propaganda than the intellectuals. the more education you have, the more susceptible to propaganda you are. this is true because much of education is not so much hard scientific fact, but really nothing more than indoctrination into the dominant agenda of your clique. this is a true observation for the so called "educated" liberals and "educated" conservatives. for such highly "educated" classes of people, you are really talking about nothing more than indoctrination into an aristocratic viewpoint which is essentially disconnected from the real genuine agenda of the great moderate middle class masses

    i trust the wisdom and true intelligence of the so-called uneducated moderate masses way more than i trust the indoctrinated rightists and leftists

    but don't take this random slashdotter's opinion for granted, read up on jacques ellul:

    The uncultured man cannot be reached by propaganda. Experience and research done by the Germans between 1933 and 1938 showed that in remote areas, where people hardly knew how to read, propaganda had no effect The same holds true for the enormous effort in the Communist world to teach people how to read. In Korea, the local script was terribly difficult and complicated; so, in North Korea, the Communists created an entirely new alphabet and a simple script in order to teach all the people how to read. In China, Mao simplified the script in his battle with illiteracy, and in some places in China new alphabets are being created. This would have no particular significance except that the texts used to teach the adult students how to read -- and which are the only texts to which they have access -- are exclusively propaganda texts; they are political tracts, poems to the glory of the Communist regime, extracts of classical Marxism. Among the Tibetans, the Mongols, the Ouighbours, the Manchus, the only texts in the new script are Mao's works. Thus, we see here a wonderful shaping tool: The illiterates are taught to read only the new script; nothing is published in that script except propaganda texts; therefore, the illiterates cannot possibly read -- or know -- anything else.

    Also, one of the most effective propaganda methods in Asia was to establish "teachers" to teach reading and indoctrinate people at the same time. The prestige of the intellectual -- "marked with God's finger" -- allowed political assertions to appear as Truth, while the prestige of the printed word one learned to decipher confirmed the validity of what the teachers said. These facts leave no doubt that the development of primary education is a fundamental condition for the organization of propaganda, even though such a conclusion may run counter to many prejudices, best expressed by Paul Rivet's pointed but completely unrealistic words: "A person who cannot read a newspaper is not free."


    http://www.swaraj.org/shikshantar/propaganda.htm

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    1. Re:this is a classic myth by Bazar · · Score: 1

      What you say is interesting, but i have a few issues with your source and post.

      First up, the post says "where people hardly knew how to read, propaganda had no effect". I doubt that. To say it had no effect is a very absolute statement, one that isn't given any citation.

      I would expect that being unable to read, they could only hear propaganda, and its a lot harder to distribute a message by human voice then it is by text. So i believe that they simply had a reduced effect where they were unable to read.

      If you consider the example, that was before tv was invented, all they would of had would of been the radio and newspapers. Newspapers and community signs being the primary source of information. In that case, it is to be expected that reading is very important for propaganda since the media is far more readily available in that format.

      If you work of that assumption, then its not a case of being smart enough to read or not, its simply how badly saturated in propaganda you are that affects how biased you become.

      If reading propaganda in newspapers is enough to bias you, then surly one can agree the next logical step is that viewing propaganda on television is also enough to bias you.

      You mentioned in the start that "the conscience and awareness of the "uneducated" masses is actually more resistant to propaganda than the intellectuals", but thats probably simply because they are deaf/blind to it, not because they have a resistance to it.

      Now that is out of the way, I'll point out that just as text can bias people so can the corporate media through tv.

      People that inform themselves on matters can become biased, but the alternative of making uninformed decisions is consideribly worse off then avoiding decisions that might be biased.

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  75. Why I'd like to see Ron Paul win... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    Ron Paul is a licensed gynecologist. I'd love to see him greeting a foreign dignitary from one of those backwards countries where women remain veiled at all times and have no rights at all (you know the places). Then, as he shakes their hand and leans in for the photos, he smiles and whispers "By the way, I'm a gynecologist by trade. Guess where my hands have been!" It would make for some really fun photos.

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  76. Intellectual Property & Encryption by j0ebaker · · Score: 1

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    Dr. Paul,

    Thank you for participating here at Slashdot. This site I have affectionately called the "center of my world" for many years. I should note to you that I would die to protect you Sir in order to bring back a sound monetary system to our nation.

    "Intellectual Property" is a term used these days to encapsulate ideas of copyright, patent protection, a hint of trademark. But this term is a misnomer. As we all recognize some legitimacy to each of the three, we cannot condone the banner "Intellectual Property".

    Software is a special case concerning Patents. Europe doesn't even have patents on software. Software is a mathematical function which exists in nature. As such it must not be given special protection.

    The area of software should receive great and special attention with an emphasis on preserving the freedoms to create and share. Much has changed in the last two decades. No longer does the US Government need to encourage nor protect innovation in the realm of software. Authors are freely collaborating with any and all who would care to participate for the benefit of self and others. Users can no longer trust software which they cannot trust how it was written.

    Patents in software and in communications are hampering growth in software. Only very large corporations can sustain these insane litigation awards for patent infringement. Small, innovative companies are freightened to try bringing things to market for fear of being sued.

    You understand the "Inflation Tax" better than 99.9% of the population. Let me introduce you to another tax called the "Patent Tax". Some have estimated that $20 of each copy of Microsoft Windows goes towards paying legal fees and licensing of patents. Why should schools have to pay for copyright when copies for educational purposes are supposed to be free?

    Free Software authors have developed systems to be freely used by the public and now an enemy rears it's ugly head saying "That software infringes on hundreds of our patents". I'm sorry we are writing code from scratch and we imitate best practices within the industry to serve the public good. If Microsoft had their way they'd be enslaving every Linux user claiming that they've used software that doesn't pay for licensing fees.

    I could go on and on about this. When elected, please pay a great deal of attention to the Electronic Freedom Foundation ( eff.org ).

    Encryption.
    Please before you are elected President of these United States of America, generate a PGP (GnuPG is better) key. This way we can determine whether writings from you are truely from you as others can determine that this message is also mathematically authentic.

    Economy:
    Thanks for suggesting the book "The Creature from Jekyll Island". I read 120 pages of it so far.

    I lost the silver Ron Paul coin that you signed :(

    Yours Truely,
    Joseph William Baker
    Burlington, Wisconsin
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  77. Ron Paul supporters of Slashdot, unite! by Will+the+Chill · · Score: 1, Funny

    If you support the only presidential candidate who truly stands for peace and freedom, join with us to solidify the "Techies for Ron Paul" movement. We helped get these answers posted to Slashdot, and we're absolutely dedicated to getting Ron Paul elected.

    Our primary goals: $10M raised and 10K votes pledged

    Please e-mail me via "willthechill AT hushmail DOT com" if you can help in one of the following areas:

    1) Website design and maintenance
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    3) Web hosting needs (machines & connectivity)
    4) Ron Paul advertising on Slashdot

    Thanks everyone, and keep backing Dr. Paul for the big win!
    -Will the Chill

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    1. Re:Ron Paul supporters of Slashdot, unite! by Sergeant+Pepper · · Score: 1

      Why is this marked Funny? This guy is serious. He says that he is the one who pulled the strings to get these questions here (http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=442666&cid=22309678).

  78. ah, the pathetic libertarian lament by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Troll

    libertarianism appeals to earnest but naive college students with too many philosophy books under their belt, but without any real life experience, who build castles in the sky in their minds about how the world should or would or could work if people just started behaving in ways people have never behaved in any culture or time period since the dawn of mankind

    it also appeals to rural folk, who don't understand how they fit into the larger world, and firmly believe themselves to be islands completely owing nothing to anyone else (you and your limited government paean). what they are of course is coccooned within a larger country and system upon which the relative peace and quiet of their worlds depend. but it is hard to see that from the hinterlands until madness marches across the countryside, which it does, unfortunately, in societies that have abandoned the simple common human responsibility we have to take care of each other. in other words, all of the bounty of your life depends upon the statehood you despise. but you can't see the connection, because you are blind to it. but it is there, making the entirety of your life possible, because you can't see the connection, doesn't mean anything except you are blind to your place in the world and civilization. we need a strong state

    libertarianism also appeals to 40 something selfish assholes behind on their alimony payments, corrupt and personally bankrupt about any give and take in their lives. nothing more needs to be said of such people. we understand them, and we understand why libertarianism appeals to them on a deep level

    libertarianism is nothing but a code word for selfishness, dressed up in political signals and philosphical portents. but if you dress up a cheap whore in a fine dress, she's still a cheap whore. so it is with libertarians and anyone who spouts that nonsense

    i put it this way: human nature is both altruistic and selfish. any political philosophy you present to the world has to address both sides of this coin, or you have built a political philosophy which is a nonstarter in the real world, because it doesn't jive with the nature of the humans you are attempting to impose it on

    we all understand why communism doesn't work: it depends upon altruism, and doesn't address human selfishness. in a communist system, selfishness still exists, in the human beings in the system, but unaddressed by the system imposed upon them, and so selfishness eats communism apart from the inside

    if you will, if a whole country suddenly went libertarian, you'd have the exact same problems as a communist country, in reverse along the axis of human selfishness-altruism. it would fail. as miserably and as surely as communism did. for the same reasons, in mirror image reverse

    libertarianism is a gem of modern foolishness, and you are a glorious fool if you swallow the pap called libertarianism

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    1. Re:ah, the pathetic libertarian lament by Quila · · Score: 1

      If we're talking about the theory, libertarianism stresses personal charity in place of charity at the point of a gun (welfare), as that would be a violation of your rights. Altruism is in the equation.

    2. Re:ah, the pathetic libertarian lament by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i put it this way: human nature is both altruistic and selfish. any political philosophy you present to the world has to address both sides of this coin, or you have built a political philosophy which is a nonstarter in the real world, because it doesn't jive with the nature of the humans you are attempting to impose it on we all understand why communism doesn't work: it depends upon altruism, and doesn't address human selfishness. in a communist system, selfishness still exists, in the human beings in the system, but unaddressed by the system imposed upon them, and so selfishness eats communism apart from the inside if you will, if a whole country suddenly went libertarian, you'd have the exact same problems as a communist country, in reverse along the axis of human selfishness-altruism. it would fail. as miserably and as surely as communism did. for the same reasons, in mirror image reverse libertarianism is a gem of modern foolishness, and you are a glorious fool if you swallow the pap called libertarianism

      Um... I'm pretty sure Libertarians aren't for outlawing charities.

  79. Re:Ron Paul Newsletter by fast+penguin · · Score: 1

    It was not "his own newsletter". Some ppl were simply publishing that under his name.
    CNN interview

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  80. huh? fear? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    you honestly think that is what motivates me?

    (scratches head)

    i am at an utter loss to understand how you arrived at that conclusion. what is it that i am supposed to be scared of in your mind?

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  81. Re:Clearly by DTemp · · Score: 1

    Um... Romney? There's a 90% chance that McCain will seal the nomination TODAY.

  82. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nonsense. It is: Me>everyone else.

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  83. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    wait, casino indian or slurpee indian?

    Really it should be Whites>Asians=Slurpee Indians>Chief Running Bear>Hispanics>Blacks

  84. Answers Schmancers by endemoniada · · Score: 1

    What's the point in publishing the answers, when the answers are so vague that people actually have to interpret what he means by them. If people can't even agree about the answer being a yes or a no, then it's not really an answer.

    Basically, his answer to the fair use question was "yes, no and maybe" all at once. He answered whatever you wanted him to answer, depending on how you interpret his answer.

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    1. Re:Answers Schmancers by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

      No, his answer was that he doesn't have a straight answer regarding his policy to give, and this is clearly because it hasn't been a major focus of his time in office. He hasn't spent a lot of time thinking about it, and wasn't going to make something up. Instead he clearly stated where he was at on this issue, and gave a few statements regarding the perspective from which he would approach the problem.

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  85. This is a joke, right? It must be. by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Jus One Example:

    So my question to you is, "Do you think that I want someone in that office (Whichever one it is) who is deliberately attempting to deceive me?"

    Even if you don't answer this question, I hope you think about it the next time someone asks you a question.

    Ron Paul campaign:
    The American people should expect clear and direct answers to their questions. Not only have I always strived to clearly state my position on issues, but my voting record backs up my commitment to the free-market, limited government philosophy I espouse on the campaign trail. What the fsck has giving a straight answer have to do with commitment to free market and limited government? Do they (Ron Paul campaign) have such a short attention span, or do they expect that their voters have? I felt like someone spat on me, when I read those answers.

    I have seen this sort of BS in all of the answers. Either Ron Paul doesn't care enough to think about these answers himself and lets his minions do the job (but they did it SO poortly!), or his logic device is fried and severely compromised.
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    1. Re:This is a joke, right? It must be. by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

      What the fsck has giving a straight answer have to do with commitment to free market and limited government? Do they (Ron Paul campaign) have such a short attention span, or do they expect that their voters have? I felt like someone spat on me, when I read those answers.

      No, but apparently your english comprehension could use a little work.

      His point is that he has clearly stated his position on issues, and those issues are a central aspect of his platform. He is pointing out that not only does he give direct answers, but his words are backed up by actions that are consistent with what he says - further reinforcing that he is committed to honest answers. He doesn't say one thing and do another.

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    2. Re:This is a joke, right? It must be. by pizzach · · Score: 1

      What the fsck has giving a straight answer have to do with commitment to free market and limited government? Do they (Ron Paul campaign) have such a short attention span, or do they expect that their voters have? I felt like someone spat on me, when I read those answers. But wait until you see the SNL sketch! Hilarious!
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    3. Re:This is a joke, right? It must be. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      What the fsck has giving a straight answer have to do with commitment to free market and limited government?
      It is relevant because it is an example of him telling the truth. 1. I claim I support the free market. 2. My voting record shows I support the free market.

      Some other candidates claim to support the free market, but their voting record contradicts that claim.

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    4. Re:This is a joke, right? It must be. by digitalcowboy · · Score: 1

      The answer was a lot better than that frigtarded question.

      A proper, clear, direct answer to the question posed would have been either, "Yes" or "No" and would have told us nothing other than what Ron Paul thinks about the questioner's desires.

      I can see why none of the other candidates responded. Those questions are just about all either stupid or rhetorical.

  86. Marijuana not analogous to beer by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 1

    The sole purpose of smoking pot, for the vast majority of those who do, is to get stoned. Even those who claim it's for "medical use."

    1. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by east+coast · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you honestly think the vast majority of beer drinkers are doing it for the taste of beer? That's a hoot.

      And to be extremely frank about it, what's wrong with altered states? Why is it as an adult that sitting in front of the tube for 4-6 hours watching guys throw around or beat around a ball while getting wasted on Coors is acceptable but smoking up and listening to some Tangerine Dream or Pink Floyd is considered bad?

      I'd love a real answer to this question. And no, I'm not a pot smoker but I've spent more than enough time around alcohol to know that "social drinking" is largely a joke for the vast majority of drinkers. If you choose not to smoke dope that's great but please don't act like we don't already have an available intoxicant that isn't abused just as much. The only difference is that one can be taxed easily.

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    2. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by TomorrowPlusX · · Score: 1

      The only difference is that one can be taxed easily.

      And that's what I don't get. If they legalised pot I imagine they'd regulate it just like they do alcohol and tobacco. The government would make plenty of revenue off of taxation and the like. Plus, the jails could be filled with -- you know -- actual criminals instead of random people who just wanted to watch Murder She Wrote while baked. Not that I do that or anything...

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    3. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Well, the one argument that comes up is that anyone can grow the stuff. Timothy Leary approached this by saying to tax the user instead of the drug itself. This way the user would be permitted to possess, use and grow for themselves. Of course we could still have professionally made products like smokes are today.

      But beyond all the banter about the actual use and production of the marijuana itself we need to look at it from a social standpoint: marijuana provides soft money for drug dealers and keeps it profitable for them to keep pushing harder stuff. Imagine the breakdown of the drug supply if it were only harder substances without dope smokers funding them? This would put more of a dent in the drug trade than all the attempts made by law enforcement. At the same time we'd free up prison space and put some dollars in the pockets of otherwise subsidized farmers who can't grow a profitable crop anymore.

      And I wonder if there have ever been any hemp/biodiesel studies? Hmmmm....

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    4. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      I'll try and give an answer, but I think it's pretty complex.
      What it boils down to is that many/most people think drinking isn't okay but it's unstoppable because we've been doing it for 3000 years. As a country we did try and stop it in the 1920's.
      Pot is generally regarded as stoppable because it requires actual growing, and it doesn't grow wild in many places in the US.

      A more interesting approach to this whole problem is depressants vs. stimulants: many people have claimed that the transition from the late Middle Ages to the Industrial revolution was actually the transition from massive use of alcohol -- everyone drank beer all the time -- to the massive use of caffeine, as tea or coffee. Once governments figured this out, they promoted use of stimulants -- nicotine cigarettes given out freely by governments to armed forces, likewise methamphetamines in many armies, because of the increase in productivity. So you see a society where massive use of mind-altering drugs that make people more motivated, is encouraged in an organized manner, while use of depressants is discouraged. Pot and opiates are strongly prosecuted, alcohol production and distribution is regulated and discouraged. If there weren't so much money to be made, I think it'd probably be even more discouraged.

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    5. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by east+coast · · Score: 1

      While you bring up some interesting and valid points let's not forget that prohibition in the 30s was largely overturned because of the criminal element. We have the same crime today centered around the drug trade but the media doesn't point to drug kingpins the way they use to point towards bootleggers. Instead they now have this fascination with the weapons used over the motives. This is a dangerous trend.

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    6. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      The sole purpose of smoking pot, for the vast majority of those who do, is to get stoned. The sole purpose of drinking beer, for the vast majority of those who do, is to get drunk.

      What's not analogous, exactly? Is it binary?
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    7. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      many/most people think drinking isn't okay Are you typing from Utah?
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    8. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 1

      > The sole purpose of drinking beer, for the vast majority of those who do, is to get drunk.

      It's not clear at all to me that this is the case.

      I know a lot of people who drink beer (don't we all!) and other alcoholic beverages, and almost none of them drink enough to get drunk.
      But, I am a responsible middle aged adult, and so are most of my peers. YMMV.

    9. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      Umm, the vast majority of beer drinkers *are* doing it for the taste of the beer, because they aren't actually getting drunk.

      The vast majority of college students doing kegs stands and drinking natty light, though, I will agree with you about.

      As for pot being illegal, it's just because it was counter-culture, associated with blacks and communists and other people who were not in power in the 70's. The first drug czar actually believed that smoking pot turned you into a homosexual. Just another culture war.

    10. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, the vast majority of beer drinkers *are* doing it for the taste of the beer, because they aren't actually getting drunk. If you drink a beer you're not going to get very drunk, but you will get a little buzz. If you smoke a joint you're not going to get very high, but you will get a little buzz.
    11. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The sole purpose of drinking beer, for the vast majority of those who do, is to get drunk.

      It's not clear at all to me that this is the case.

      I know a lot of people who drink beer (don't we all!) and other alcoholic beverages, and almost none of them drink enough to get drunk.
      But, I am a responsible middle aged adult, and so are most of my peers. YMMV. Smoking a joint can easily have less of an effect than drinking a couple beers.
    12. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Being part of a bar community of predominantly over thirty members I can tell you that drinking to get drunk does not end at the college level. Maybe you're just out of step with it.

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    13. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've wondered about this as well. And from watching reports on the history of these types of things, the "illegalness" of various substances came about almost randomly during the last century. Almost no drug was made illegal because it was bad for you. Usually, it started off with "I don't like this substance. I don't think anyone else should use it either. Let's make it illegal. If anyone protests, it must be because they are for hurting people." Totally ludicrous but that's how it's been.

      Then there's the recent rash of "War on "'s. War on Crime. War on Drugs. War on Terror. (BTW, by Bush declaring a war on terror, he declared himself a terrorist-- for his statement was a terroristic statement. WTF?! I'd ask if he reads his speeches before he gives them except that this kind of speech slip-up has been common with him for years.) Anyway, by definition you can't declare wars on concepts because there can never be a winning condition. Crime? You expect to stop everyone from breaking rules, not all rules are known, not all rules are clear, not all rules are just, not all rules are moral. Drugs? You expect to stop people from putting random crap in their mouths? You expect people not to take medicine, and how can you ever be sure in all cases whether each drug is a medicine or not to a person. Terror? The is no such thing as a terrorist-- at least not in the way its used today. Why do politicians and media keep talking like there is? Terrorism is a tactic, not a group or a nation. If you intend to attack "terrorists", then there is no one to attack, ergo you cannot win. The focus should be on criminals and enemies (groups and nations)-- the users of said tactics. Stop talking as if there's one group called "the terrorists" that can one day be defeated and no longer exist in the world.

      It's about wording. We should be making policies, not wars on concepts. It puts the focus where it should be. It gives a chance of real improvement. Randomly attacking symptoms hinders them but never makes them go away and they always come back. Treating the disease improves all related symptoms and may even stop them from being problematic.

      On that note, drugs. People harmed or harming others while on drugs, a disease-like problem. Instead of treating the problem, the government attacked drugs, a symptom. This caused a market shortage for drugs. This caused a very profitable business for generating and transporting drugs (both legally and illegally). The illegal business of generating and transporting drug caused rampant related crime. In trying to stop people from hurting each other on drugs, the government inadvertently caused crime. Afterwards, predictably, they attacked the crime (another symptom). The war on drugs has made the drug problem worse. In addition, some drugs receive preferential treatment-- generally those that were profitable to companies before the war on drugs began, cigarettes and alcohol come to mind, buy many medicines far in this category too. Changes to this seem random to me. So it would seem to me that marijuana is banned because it wasn't a profitable drug for companies before the war on drugs began. It may be able to press through if it were shown to be ubber-profitable and thusly lobbied for by companies.

      My alternate solution is simple. It's not perfect (nothing ever is) but simply eliminating the war on drugs clears up tons and tons of problems it caused by itself. My solution: go back to legal drugs and focus on punishing people for their damn crimes. If someone does something bad brought on by a substance, punish them for it, punish them for the crime and punish them for their irresponsible behavior. If you have two similar car accidents: one person is sober but made a mistake, and another person is drunk and made an impaired decision, you punish the drunk person far more than the person who made the mistake-- for they should know better. Do the same thing with all drugs. Instead of trying to exclude behavior that could lead to bad behavior, simply punish the bad behavior, and punish it well.

      --DR

    14. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the vast majority of people who drink alcohol do it to get drunk. The vast majority of smokers do it for the high. They are precisely analogous, except of course that marijuana is somewhat safer and less addictive than the other two.

    15. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Umm, the vast majority of beer drinkers *are* doing it for the taste of the beer, because they aren't actually getting drunk."

      Mild effects that are pleasurable /= "drunk", or "stoned" for that matter. If beer drinkers didn't care about that they'd vote with their wallets for non-alcoholic beer.

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    16. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you honestly think the vast majority of beer drinkers are doing it for the taste of beer? That's a hoot. If you're not drinking beer for the taste, you're not drinking the right beer IMHO. (Also, as a Bavarian and on behalf of all Bavarians, let me clarify that whilst drinking beer to get pissed may be part of it, beer is also simply part and parcel of some cultures and their diet. Prost!)
    17. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      I've never had a non-alcoholic beer that didn't taste like crap :)

    18. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      To answer your question, it depends on the kind of beer.

      Yes, the vast majority of people consuming Miester Brau, Budweiser, and other piss-water beers are doing so to get drunk. Most people never learn to appreciate good beer and wine.

      But, real, honest-to-God beer actually does taste good. Also, for a particular food, there is a particular beer that finishes the taste, creating very enjoyable complex flavor bouquets on the palate.

      As far as MJ goes, I agree with the OP that there really isn't any benefit to using it. I have lived with more than one pot smoker, and with all of them, they would constantly complain about having so much shit to do, but sat their asses on the couch laughing at the snow on the TV for most of the afternoon.

      With any "substance", there are abuse problems: alcohol, drugs, food, exercise, sex, you name it. The line must be drawn when your addiction crosses the line of affecting only your life to the side of affecting more than just your own. When there is an entire class of addicted people who become burdens on the rest of the public rather than contributors, then something must be done about it. That is the balance between personal liberty and public good that must be maintained. We have laws governing alcohol, drugs, and sex. Laws governing food are starting to appear, and I am sure it won't be more than a couple more decades before we start passing laws limiting exercise for the clinically underweight. The growth of the nanny state will only continue.

      Laws and prohibition are only temporary solutions to an immediate problem. Long-lasting solutions can only come from personal and societal habit change. Our founding fathers knew this, which is why they often spoke of personal responsibility, but the current political leaders want us to outsource personal responsibility to the government. Hah..

    19. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by east+coast · · Score: 1

      While I'm not going to flatly dismiss your claim (I actually agree about if it doesn't taste good why drink it?) I still think that if it weren't for the residual effects of the beer that many wouldn't drink it and certainly not in the quantities that most Americans do in the pub culture.

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    20. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by helpfulcorn · · Score: 1

      This might be slightly off topic from the parent post, but it is the closest I can find to be on topic. I'll be honest and say I don't drink (ever) or smoke marijuana or do other drugs (ever), except maybe any caffeine that I consume through soda or from the chocolate in swiss rolls.

      That said, it is surprising to me when people mention the alcohol prohibition and talk about how it was ended because of crime. I'd hate it break it to everyone, but crime really hasn't gone down, the mob still exists, so do gangs, and the number one killer on the road is death by a drunk.

      However, there is still something that separates alcohol from other drugs like marijuana. The primary thing is that when one consumes alcohol it only affects them directly, however if someone smokes marijuana, everyone in the room, and possibly surrounding rooms, has to deal with it.

      I live in an apartment, and my neighbor kept smoking marijuana, the smell and such kept coming into my residence, and bothering me. That really dismisses the whole argument about doing it in private, is perfectly fine, because it did bother me, and that's why I called the police on him repeatedly. It'd be no different than if he came over to my house and poured vodka or something on me.

      I've tried to explain this argument to others before, a few marijuana users told me that it's harmless, and that I should just deal with it. The problem arises here is that while they think it may be *harmless*, it still is infringing on my right NOT to do it. I find it odd people who say people should have the right to do it, never mention the other side.

    21. Re:Marijuana not analogous to beer by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Personally, I would ask your neighbor to shut his doors and windows. And if it's coming through the walls, that's between you and your landlord.

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  87. not typical of RP, written by staffer? by bushwhacker2000 · · Score: 1

    I don't think these answers were written by RP; compare to his overview of Mises and Austrian Economics below or to his recent speech on economics in Seattle. He is very thorough, these "answers" are anything but. Perhaps he was consulted briefly by a staffer but wasn't told or didn't realize the size of the Slashdot audience (which is actually a bit surprising, but then again as much as he loves the Internet he isn't a geek). I think he would have personally answered the questions if he knew his answers were going to be read by several million readers world-wide (or whatever the Slashdot audience is).

    Also worth mentioning is that Ron Paul is not pro-legislation. Much of the questions asked assume the introduction of some type of program or legislation (it seems), but that is not what RP is about. He is about getting rid of shit that doesn't belong. He has said on numerous occasions that he "would never use executive orders to legislate, but would use executive orders to cancel-out bad [pre-existing] executive orders".

    Mises and Austrian Economics: A Personal View [PDF]:
    http://www.mises.org/books/paulmises.pdf

    Ron Paul on economics (Seattle, Jan 31 2008, six parts ~ 50 minutes -- several versions on YouTube this one seems the best):
    part 1
    part 2
    part 3
    part 4
    part 5
    part 6

    Official YouTube site (plenty of stuff here):
    http://www.youtube.com/user/RonPaul2008dotcom

    Official Website:
    http://www.ronpaul2008.com

    1. Re:not typical of RP, written by staffer? by patrik · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that make it worse? It's insulting considering the internet is how he has rallied his fan base, and among the internet, some of the strongest libertarians are geeks. I didn't like RP's policies before, but I think the hollowness of his answers here and the very politic manner in which they are answered without giving a single real answer is insulting. Don't apologize for him, that's his job.

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  88. Re:coflicting answers (aid to china) by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Oddly enough- we do.
    And 1.3 billion dollars would fund a nice little chunk of space program.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_China

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  89. will he end his campaign tonight or tomorrow? by dpjax · · Score: 1

    cause he'll be lucky to beat that nut Huckabee...even still, 3rd place is his best option.

    1. Re:will he end his campaign tonight or tomorrow? by Emrys · · Score: 1

      What, you mean like he ended his crusade for Constitutional government and protecting individual rights back when he lost the other campaigns he ran? Oh, wait, that didn't happen. The quitting OR the losing.

      We took 2nd in Maine over the weekend as well as previously in NV and LA. 19% popular vote, 35% delegates (at least). We are not going anywhere but up.

  90. Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are a free person who is a citizen of a Republic. Here in America, we elect people to make plans for us, because we are free, and we choose to do that. Sorry if you don't like that, but the majority of citizens do, so it is unfair of you to force your 'no government is good government' view on the rest of us.

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    1. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by Xtravar · · Score: 1

      That's why the constitution says that all power not explicitly granted to the federal government should go to the states or the people. Far too much emphasis is put on federal politics when the city and state politicians make most of the decisions that influence your daily life.

      I think that's the major problem with US politics right now - people think that federal and local ideologies must be the same, and that if you don't support federal infrastructure building via income tax then you don't support local roads via property tax.

      There are different levels of governance where different laws & bureaucracies work more efficiently. This continual trend toward a strong federal government, imposing homogeneity on a wide variety of American subcultures, has certain consequences. Unfortunately, one of these is monumental inflation since the federal government is the only level which can create currency (although the constitution says they shouldn't really, since the constitution explicitly mentions gold and silver).

      Really, all Ron Paul is arguing is that we should follow the Constitution and amend it if it is so "out dated". If we followed the constitution, the federal government would pretty much be limited to national defense - which is the level at which defense best serves everybody, I might add.

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    2. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      You present a strong argument for a core tenet of Republican beliefs, namely, a smaller Federal government. That is actually one belief I share with Republicans. This is the best way to provide a "market" of governance. States that do poorly will see their populations fleeing to states that govern the best.

      You probably know, the tool the government has used to get around the limitations on Federal power is the commerce clause. The constitution grants the Federal government the power to regulate commerce, and by some pretty twisted logic, everything effects commerce in one way or another, and therefore, the Federal government can regulate everything.

      However, there are some points where I reject the policy of "Federal government means defense only." As an example, I feel that the Federal government played a good role in the civil rights movement.

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    3. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      You are a free person who is a citizen of a Republic. Here in America, we elect people to make plans for us, because we are free, and we choose to do that. Sorry if you don't like that, but the majority of citizens do, so it is unfair of you to force your 'no government is good government' view on the rest of us. That'd be all well and good if the majority was just getting together, deciding to all pitch in to pay some guy to make plans for them, and then all voluntarily following those plans. That would be free and no libertarian, anarchist, or otherwise leave-me-the-hell-alone type would complain about that. But when your majority drags along those people who want nothing to do you or your plans, and even forces them at gunpoint to fund those plans, that stops being free.

      Nobody is trying to force "no government" on anyone. Nobody is saying that you all can't get together, form a collective entity, direct it to perform public services, and pay for those out of your own pocket. People are just saying, "hey, thanks but no thanks, I can do without that or find it better elsewhere, so leave me out of it". You're all free to go do your thing; those who don't want to do your thing are free to abstain. It's no more right for the majority to force the minority to participate than it would be for the minority to prohibit the voluntary cooperative action of the majority. But "voluntary" is the key word there, and states as we know them are by definition not voluntary...
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    4. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      Not voluntary? Wrong. You are free to leave. It is not our problem if there is no place you would like better. Now, let me ask you, would you like it if I came and lived in your house without paying you, and followed my own rules (including, say, peeing in the sink) while there? No? But I never agreed to follow your rules!

      Don't assume that I simply don't understand the libertarian point of view. I do. I don't agree with it. I think it is selfish and poorly thought out. If libertarians want to live in a different style of society than the rest of us, I suggest they form their own nation or state and make their own society instead of trying to co-opt one that the vast majority of Americans prefer. Sure, they can try to convince us to adopt their point of view, but I am sick and tired of libertarians unjustly claiming the high moral ground. Libertarians can cry that we are "forcing" them to participate, but we are not. You are all free to leave and start your own libertarian utopia on any uninhabited, unclaimed piece of land in the world. As I said, it is not our responsibility to provide you with the options you'd prefer to have rather than the options you actually have. I simply do not understand the logic behind claiming that government is forcing you to do anything.

      You know, I'd like universal health care, but I'm not stupid enough to claim that anyone is forcing me to pay into an HMO. I could go without insurance, but I choose to pay. You could leave the US, but you choose to stay. So do not claim the government is 'forcing' you to stay and participate.

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    5. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by monxrtr · · Score: 0

      Now, let me ask you, would you like it if I came and lived in your house without paying you, and followed my own rules (including, say, peeing in the sink) while there? No? But I never agreed to follow your rules! But that's exactly what people like you that vote for the Federal Government are doing. You don't respect private property. That's why we have private property in the first place, precisely to prevent people from forcing you to live how you don't want to live as long as you are living peacefully.

      Don't assume that I simply don't understand the libertarian point of view. I do. I don't agree with it. I think it is selfish and poorly thought out. No, it's selfish to force people to do as you demand without their voluntary consent. Voluntary consent is established through free market trade, whether for profit or through non-profit charitable institutions. In fact, that the only way society exists to the extent it does in the first place. Why would you ever object to creationism being mandated policy or educators being restricted to religiously certified Christian instructors if a majority wants that?

      Quit pretending you are benevolent, tolerant, and peaceful. Your words and actions show you to be the opposite.
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    6. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      (Paraphrasing...) Being in the majority we have all the power, and so we feel perfectly justified to order you around. Furthermore, to add insult to injury we're going to insist that you're "free" too (free to do what we tell you!) even while treating you as a slave.

      No one is arguing that you shouldn't be permitted to elect someone to govern you if that's what you want. Just leave the rest of us out of it.

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    7. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      Private property is only useful to those who own property. Private property amounts to a contract between property owners to defend each other's property from the have-nots. As a concept, it is of no use to those who don't own property. Why should any non-property owner respect your claim of ownership?

      Now, assuming you do respect private ownership, do you respect collective ownership? If my wife and I own property together, may we not set the rules for that property together? May we not choose to elect someone to manage our collective property? If we do, is it fair for someone else to come in and tell us how to use that property? Now, substitute "US citizens" for "my wife and I." We have elected someone to manage our collective property, known as the United States. Now you want to come in and tell us what to do, because somehow, us deciding what to do with our collective property means we are coercing you into going along with our decisions. If you don't like how we, the US citizens, are managing our property, you can get the hell off of it or go through channels to change things. You can't claim any kind of moral high ground though.

      Quit pretending you value freedom for all humans. Your words and actions show you value freedom only for property owners, not for the majority of the world's citizens.

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    8. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That makes no sense. You are essentially saying that it is wrong for us to impose our "no government is good government" views on you while at the same time you have the right to superimpose your "loot and pillage" philosophy on us? Just because there are more of you in your pillaging horde doesn't make it right.

    9. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      only an authoritarian bastard would think that forcing people to not have views forced upon them is the worse choice.

    10. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      Only an idiot can't see that you are proposing to force your views on us. This country is the property of US citizens. You libertarians want to tell us what rules to play by on our own property. You are the ones forcing your views on others, and disrespecting our property, our autonomy, our freedom, and our decision making abilities to boot. Libertarians aren't about liberty at all. They are all about their own freedom to do whatever they please and everyone else can just go to hell.

      Tell you what, you want to live in a country where you pay no taxes and everything is free market, how about you go make your own country instead of trying to steal ours? No one is forcing their views on anyone. We are saying, "This is our country. If you want to live here, you play by our rules. If you don't want to play by our rules, no one is forcing you to stay here."

      I'm convinced the average libertarian can not think for themselves, and is only capable of parroting back arguments they've heard, but don't understand.

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    11. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1
      (My apologies if this post is a little more terse than I would otherwise like - I just wrote it twice before, with my computer both times crashing right before I finished it. Grr.)

      Private property is only useful to those who own property. Private property amounts to a contract between property owners to defend each other's property from the have-nots. As a concept, it is of no use to those who don't own property. Why should any non-property owner respect your claim of ownership?

      Because whether or not they want to admit it, they'd like to have private property and to have it respected. And in fact they DO have some private property - their own bodies if nothing else - and if they've got any self-respect at all they'll be pretty adamant about it being respected by others as well. Your whole point here that the assertion of property rights is a fiction put forth by property owners to further their own interests can be turned right around, into the claim that the denial of property rights is just put forth by the poor to further their own interests. How do you decide who is right? Ask yourself, would it be better for everyone to own property, or for no one to own property? For everyone to be their own king, or everyone to be everyone else's slave? I don't remember who said it, but there's a quote along the lines of "the problem with capitalism is not that there are too many capitalists, but too few". The problem is not the notion of private property but the fact that some people have so little of it and that having more makes it so much easier to get more from those who have less than you- things which are very serious problems that need addressing, but not by abolishing or crippling the very notion of private property.

      Now, assuming you do respect private ownership, do you respect collective ownership? If my wife and I own property together, may we not set the rules for that property together? May we not choose to elect someone to manage our collective property? If we do, is it fair for someone else to come in and tell us how to use that property? Now, substitute "US citizens" for "my wife and I." We have elected someone to manage our collective property, known as the United States. Now you want to come in and tell us what to do, because somehow, us deciding what to do with our collective property means we are coercing you into going along with our decisions. If you don't like how we, the US citizens, are managing our property, you can get the hell off of it or go through channels to change things. You can't claim any kind of moral high ground though.

      I'm glad the conversation went this way, because I was going to use this very analogy in response to your earlier response to me. If the government was nothing but a big non-profit foundation dedicated to managing the jointly owned property of the citizenry, I don't think any libertarian would have any problem with it. The problem comes when it extends itself into meddling with people's private affairs - not just taking or regulating their private possessions but also their own bodies. Personally I think that such collective ownership of public goods is a pretty good idea, and one that I would support creating in a world with no existing government; but such a collective body must limit itself to managing the jointly owned property, and stay out of people's private business.

      Furthermore, going beyond even existing libertarian thought and into the realm of my own philosophy, I'd hold that even if we were to grant that everything in America was the collective property of all Americans, that still would not legitimate majoritarian, democratic control of it. I believe that the just principle for the governance of collective property is that no co-owner (or group thereof, even a majority) may deny any co-owner the right to act upon or with their collective property, unless such an act would deny the equal rights of other co-owners. This nicely mirrors the Lockean notion of rights limited only by the equal rights

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    12. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      Ah pfhorrest, always a pleasure engaging with you. I strive to be as dispassionate and logical as you are in my discourse, but fail miserably most of the time. ;-)

      As for property, I've thought about this quite a bit. First, you don't own yourself. No one does, ownership is a moot concept when applied to people. Well, not moot, per se, but a nebulous concept, used as a shorthand to refer to whatever bundle of rights the person using the phrase wants to justify. Why should the same concept of ownership apply to you, when you are so unlike any other form of property? Why not just enumerate the list of rights that you mean? Because self-ownership is a semantic trick used to justify private property.

      Next, there is a huge difference between personal property and private property. In property theory, personal property refers to things, while private property refers to land and natural resources. I feel that everyone is entitled to the personal property they've worked to attain. I don't feel that anyone has the right to own private property. I feel that people who personally use a resource should have stewardship rights to it, but not permanent and absolute property rights.

      I agree with the Lockean notion of rights. But I must add a caveat: what use is a personal right, if you do not have the thing that right applies to? I can envision a world where one person owns everything. The right to own property applies equally, but in actuality it applies only to that one person.

      What is under discussion here is the right of a group to ensure that all members of the group pay taxes. I assert that people do have the right to demand dues or taxes as a condition of membership, and that all privileges of membership may be revoked if those dues aren't paid. I find it hard to believe that libertarians can argue against this point, but as I've said, most libertarians do not even understand the arguments they are parroting back. They have no logical consistency, except for, "You're not the boss of me and I'll do whatever I want."

      The thing is, I also agree with libertarians on a lot of issues. The main thing I find lacking is any discussion of, "How do we get to true anarchist, non coercive society from where we are now?" We can't just do away with government, for the reasons you point out. You provide a cogent analysis, but there are a few things I'd like to point out.

      One, I don't think everyone will have equality of outcome even given equal opportunity. Some people are smarter, or more driven than others, and it is just and fair that those people should achieve more. I believe that if there were not such a large disparity, and everyone had their basic needs met, that few would have a problem with this. In fact, I think most people would gain comfort from a sense of justice and fairness, even if they weren't the excellent ones. Maybe I'm weird, but I derive real happiness when I see someone succeed on genuine merit.

      Second, you ignore the network effect that pretty much guarantees a power-law distribution of outcomes even based on equal opportunity and merit. You hint at this when you describe the positive feedback loop of wealth accumulation, but it is more than just wealth accumulation. People don't actually like to make decisions, not hard or confusing ones, anyway. They'd like to just do what works for their friends and relatives.

      That means that slight deviations in distribution of a good become magnified, as more people recommend that good. Look at the popularity of blogs. The most popular is about twice as popular as the next, and so on. Blogs are free, people could choose to look at any of them, but they concentrate attention on a few. Not due to merit, many of the least popular are easily as good as the most popular, but simply based on chance, feedback loops, and non linear systems. I believe it benefits the largest number of people for society to provide some negative feedback loops to offset all the positive feedback loops of wealth accumulation.

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    13. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      Ah pfhorrest, always a pleasure engaging with you. I strive to be as dispassionate and logical as you are in my discourse, but fail miserably most of the time. ;-)

      Why thank you, it's quite a pleasure to hear you say that :-)

      As for property, I've thought about this quite a bit. First, you don't own yourself. No one does, ownership is a moot concept when applied to people. Well, not moot, per se, but a nebulous concept, used as a shorthand to refer to whatever bundle of rights the person using the phrase wants to justify. Why should the same concept of ownership apply to you, when you are so unlike any other form of property? Why not just enumerate the list of rights that you mean? Because self-ownership is a semantic trick used to justify private property.

      You're right that property can be a nebulous concept, as can all concepts, so I suppose I should more formally define at least my usage of it. My 'categorical imperative' of sorts, my overarching principle of justice, is that all and only people have all and only the following obligations: to refrain from acting upon property against the will of its owner, except as such action is necessary to enforce its owner's obligations. As you can clearly tell this is somewhat self-referential, and it basically my encapsulation of the Lockean notion of rights-limited-only-by-others-rights in the terms of deontic logic; but some of the terms, mostly 'property' need further clarification, which will turn out to be somewhat referential to this principle, hence why I stated it first. To me, all and only physical things are property - and as I am a physicalist, that pretty much means that everything is property. The only question is, what kind of property is it; self-owned, private, or public? A thing is property inasmuch as someone has claim rights regarding it; claim rights being identical to obligations upon other parties (by definition you have a claim right just inasmuch as others have a corresponding obligation to you); and as the only obligation I hold anyone to have is the above one, that pretty much defines my notion of property. Property is, in short, the right of someone to say "you can't do that" to someone else regarding some object; so when I say that someone is his own property, I mean simply that he have a moral right to prohibit others from acting upon his body (except as necessary to enforce his own obligations, i.e. to prevent him from committing crimes). No more, no less.

      The other two classes of property besides people (self-owned things) are private property, which is exclusively owned by only some people; and public property, which is inclusively owned by all people. Nothing is unowned. Transfer of ownership is made by consensus, by which I don't mean popular vote but, more etymologically literally, consent, as in gift or free trade. In the beginning, there was only people and public property. Some of that property became private as society agreed that that stick, those rocks, or that land now belongs to that guy. This does not mean that people only have private property right as long as society lets them, any more than it means that you can only keep a gift I give you (or a product I sell you) as long as I let you; once it's given, it's the recipient's property, and can't be taken back. Of course, I'm sure that there is historically a LOT of theft from the public that went on, people forcible privatizing things that the public would not have consented to give or sell to them, but there's got to be a statute of limitations on some of these things, and the above is how private property could be legitimately created out of the initial commons. (And with my illegitimacy-of-rent principle, wealth would tend to distribute itself meritocratically, as the lazy rich who formerly relied on rent and interest to get by were forced to sell their property at market prices instead. I am, furthermore, somewhat amenable to the idea of reinterpreting lease cont

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    14. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      would you like it if I came and lived in your house without paying you, and followed my own rules (including, say, peeing in the sink) while there? No? But I never agreed to follow your rules!

      Wow, that exactly what happened to the USA, it used to be the land of the free, now people have to suffer the Tyranny of the Masses. The one saving grace is that it hasn't gotten as bad as the Reign of Terror yet.

      If libertarians want to live in a different style of society than the rest of us, I suggest they form their own nation or state and make their own society instead of trying to co-opt one that the vast majority of Americans prefer.

      We used to have our own country, it was called the United States of America.

      You are all free to leave

      Yea, instead of you leaving to form your own utopia you want us to leave.

      Falcon
    15. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Only an idiot can't see that you are proposing to force your views on us. This country is the property of US citizens. You libertarians want to tell us what rules to play by on our own property.

      Oh, and you're not forcing your views on us?

      Tell you what, you want to live in a country where you pay no taxes and everything is free market, how about you go make your own country

      Too late, you already stole our country. It was called the United States of America.

      Falcon
    16. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      An authoritarian complaining about the loss of property rights? that is funny.

    17. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      Libertarians are the real authoritarians. They want the freedom to financially oppress others. You all claim that a free market will lead to everyone being wealthier, but I know in your black little hearts you think you're better than everyone else, and that you will be able to rise above the peons and lord over them. Libertarians want a new feudal system where the strong are free to oppress the weak at leisure.

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    18. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      It seems you do not understand the difference between Anarchism and Libertarianism... you seem to think that Libertarianism is some right wing ideology, guess what... it has a left wing and a right wing both of which are separated by economic philosophy. It also appears that you have a very bad understanding of Anarchism. I also sense a bit of newspeak coming from your mouth... You seem to think that oppression of individual rights is true freedom.

    19. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      Idiot. You project your own ignorance onto others. I know very well the difference between anarchism and libertarianism, because I'm an anarcho-syndicalist. That's why I know libertarianism is a right wing ideology. Let me school you. Libertarianism is a branch of individualist anarchism: it's a descendant of the Rothbard/Mises school of anarcho-capitalism, which is itself a descendant of the philosophy of the Boston anarchists. Any of this ringing any bells?

      Unless you are a true fascist, you understand that you have to give up some rights in order to be free. For instance, as much as I would love to punch you in the face, I've given up that right because I don't want to be punched in the face myself. That's how rights work in the real world outside of libertarian fantasy-land. You get some by giving some up.

      Rights derive from society. Without society, there is no concept of rights. There is only, 'What do I have the power to do?" Individuals define rights through contract with other individuals when they join together to form a society. That is the only place rights derive from, not from some idiotic idea of self ownership (You're your own slave? How's that work? Can you sell yourself to me and be my slave? Morons.) not from some humanized ideal of Nature, and certainly not from some invisible sky-daddy. Rights come from individuals agreeing what it means to form a society and they are not absolute, they are conditional upon fulfilling the agreed on contract. You may not like that, and you may make up fantasy stories in your head to hide from that fact, but that is the cold hard truth. Rights come from societies willingness to back them up, which comes from individual agreements.

      The free market does not create freedom. It creates oppression. Because of the runaway feedback loops, the positive feedback cycle of wealth creating more wealth, the rich will always get richer and the poor will always get poorer. The poor will then be forced into servitude by the rich. Economically forced, as in: you do what we say or you don't eat. This is the hell you are working towards. This is what you support. This is the final outcome of your twisted little philosophy, and it is why no one with a heart is a libertarian.

      I can't assume it is ignorance of this outcome that drives most libertarians. I can only assume that they desire this, that they want to be the new feudal lords, the new slave owners. I have to assume this, or assume that all libertarians are idiots, too dumb to see the obvious outcome of their philosophy.

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    20. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      You are an American-centric fool.

      The Libertarian party of the US is not the same thing as libertarianism. Libertarianism is a governance ideology, it speaks nothing of the economics of a society. Libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism.you can have a socialist, mixed, or capitalist economic system under libertarian governance.

      Fucking moron.

    21. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. You are using libertarianism as a synonym for anarchism. Anarchism is the opposite of authoritarianism. Libertarianism is a branch of individualist anarchism. Libertarianism is a governance ideology only if the free market is a form of governance. You can not have socialist libertarianism. Show me references supporting the ignorant crap you spout or shut the fuck up.

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    22. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      You present a strong argument for a core tenet of Republican beliefs, namely, a smaller Federal government. That is actually one belief I share with Republicans. This is the best way to provide a "market" of governance. States that do poorly will see their populations fleeing to states that govern the best.

      This argument is the best reason for federalism. To prevent corporations and other large actors from bidding state against state (and town against town) to eke out ridiculous incentive packages.

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    23. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      Anarchism is NOT the opposite of authoritarianism. Anarchism is a society built upon lack of centralized governance, at many levels.

      Try reading this. Now, shut the fuck up.

    24. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. Here in the US, libertarian means anarcho-capitalist only. What you call "Libertarian socialism" we just call anarchism.

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    25. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      Anarcho-capitolism is jut another form of anarchy.

      Anarchy is not a bad thing. Anarchists do not believe in unregulated society, they believe in the ability to not participate in a social construct that others choose to participate in. All Anarchist also believe in the ability for society to regulate itself with out the need for domination from those with more power. How these societies regulate themselves differers from philosophy to philosophy, but they all have a form of governance, and none have governance through domination of the powerful.

      Market anarchists are the most extreme members of the US Libertarian party. Collectivist Anarchists are the most extreme of the socialist anarchists. in the middle you have very society friendly Mutualism which is kind of like a collectivism on a company sized scale. Mutualists can exist in a market driven economy very easily. I could create a small business that was run through mutualist operations in the US today.

    26. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      You are arguing with an anarchist. Anarcho-Syndicalist and proud card carrying member of the IWW. As far as I know, and I'm prepared to be corrected, the Libertarian Party are all market anarchists. Libertarians refuse to use the word anarchist, even though the word 'libertarian' has become just as tainted through their actions. Just call yourselves anarchists, don't pretend like you invented the philosophy! I really hate it when people say that anarchism is a part of libertarianism, when its the other way around. Libertarianism is an offshoot of anarchism. Maybe in Europe they use the word libertarian to mean general anarchism, but here in America it means only market anarchism.

      I'm familiar with the forms of anarchism, have lived in communes and worked in collectives. So I don't need an education as to what the different branches are. It all boils down to terminology, and I'm guessing that is based on where we're both from. Personally, I've found that most people who claim to be libertarian are, at best, one step up from the gutter punks with the circle A tattoos in their political analysis and thought. Most espouse libertarianism only because they don't want to pay taxes.

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    27. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      I agree with you.

    28. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by spun · · Score: 1

      Sorry about being a dick before. I'm quitting smoking and I've been a dick to nearly everyone recently.

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    29. Re:Don't force your views on the rest of us by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      NP.

      I know it can be hard for some people to realize I am right ;-) [/joke]

  91. If you want answers in depth... by jcr · · Score: 1

    Here you go.

    He's also written extensively on economics, monetary and foreign policy, and there's a large archive of his speeches in congress here.

    -jcr

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  92. you need to take the first step, to bring yourself into reality. a good first step would be, repeat after me: "a fringe candidate will not make war magically disappear"

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    1. Re:yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "a fringe candidate will not make war magically disappear"
      Nobody said that, or anything that implies it. As usual, you're lying about your opponent's position because you can't rebut what they actually said.

  93. Re: Slant?? by Magalia · · Score: 1

    It hardly seems slanted towards Congressman Paul's campaign. The candidates were the exact opposite: not a single one answered emails we sent to their "media inquiry" links or email addresses.... In any case, the Ron Paul campaign finally responded, due to some string-pulling... Roblimo goes on to beg readers to nudge their favorite politicians so they can respond to Slashdot's 'softball' questions and be appropriately put-down. Look at the voting records for all these candidates, and Dr. Paul's is the only consistent one.

  94. Re:lolwut (http://www.signaturemachine.com/) by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Informative
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  95. It was a very direct answer by swillden · · Score: 1

    The question was not "Do you oppose Federal Marijuana laws..." it was "What are you going to do to protect me from being arrested". It's an indirect answer at best. And just one paragraph above, he said we deserve direct answers.

    Bah. He gave a perfectly clear, direct answer to the question. It's not the answer YOU wanted to hear, and he did choose to answer a slightly more general question than was asked, relying on your ability to apply simple logic to find the answer to the question asked.

    For those who can't make the necessary logical steps themselves, I'll walk you through them:

    RP said he opposed federal laws banning marijuana, and federal interference in state marijuana laws. That means that he'd make sure the federal government didn't have any laws that you could be arrested for. So he'd protect you from arrest by the feds. It also means that he would not interfere with state laws. So he wouldn't protect you from arrest by your state.

    All of this assumes that he could actually change federal law, which the president can't, and RP isn't going to be president anyway, but that's understood by everyone.

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  96. Thank You! by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thank You! I kept wondering why I kept thinking that the name Ron Paul sounded like the name of a transvestite. I could not figure out where I was making that connection. Ru Paul explains it.

    1. Re:Thank You! by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Ahh! I haven't really been paying any attention to the campaigns, but I thought I heard something about one of the candidates being black or a woman or something. That explains it.

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  97. Paul's position is a good start. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    They are, according to his website. Frankly, I think we should go further, but getting the gorram Feds out of the way is an acceptable start.

  98. More Answers from Ron Paul; Stuff that Matters. by ponraul · · Score: 1
  99. I care by huded · · Score: 0

    I don't vote for the person I believe has the best chance of winning; I vote for the person I believe would do the best job for the office they seek.

    The only votes that are wasted are cast by those who compromise their principles or sell out their beliefs because they don't believe their candidate has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning.

    I am a Republican and I voted for Ron Paul in New York's primary today, even though I know that:
    a) all electoral college delegates will go the Democratic nominee because the ratio of Dems to Reps in the state is on the order of 8:5 and this is a winner-take-all state.
    b) Ron Paul has two chances of winning the Rebpublican nomination from this state: slim and none.

    But, I will have voted for the person I think will best serve the nation's interests, so MY vote was not wasted.

  100. the best you can hope for by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    is the cannibalization of one the parties, a la the decline of the whigs

    two party politics is all about math. we have two parties because our voting system maximizes to this existence. other countries have multiple parties. but you don't want to know about the lack of principles going on there (socialists getting into bed with archconservatives in order to form coalitions, etc.)

    in other words, the more things change, the more they stay the same. and your complaint: the callowness of politics, is a tale as old as time, and will be with us forever

    and no, dorothy, there really is a moderate middle. the so called red state blue state bullshit is a divisive myth, not a divisive reality. the vast majority of americans agree with each other on the vast majority of important topics, republican or democrat

    you need to get used to the way politics works. you're not giving up on your ideals, you are beginning to understand reality

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  101. Good answer by Quila · · Score: 2, Informative

    He is running for a federal position. He believes the federal has no business in this as a matter of constitutional principle. Any personal opinion he may have on pot is therefore irrelevant.

    If he were to get his way people should be asking their state elected officials this question, not him.

    1. Re:Good answer by patrik · · Score: 1

      But the practical effects of his policies are important. For instance if he had his way with his "We The People" Act he'd remove federal protection of separation of church and state, abortion, right to privacy in the bedroom, and gay marriage. It's nice to claim that it's all about states' rights, but the truth is, these things come up at national level, because these groups are having their rights limited by the states. Gay people don't infringe upon the state by having sex with each other (or in the case of my state two straight people having sex in any position other than the missionary position). In effect states' rights advocates are putting the states over the citizens in these issues. Should the states have the right to restrict how we have sex? Should the states be able to deny me a political office in Texas because I am atheist? It's okay to have a strong federal government and in fact is important especially when the states become trigger happy.

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    2. Re:Good answer by Quila · · Score: 1

      The only way any of this gets up to the federal level is if a state's actions infringe on the rights of a person as a citizen of the United States. Your political office example is explicitly precluded by the federal constitution. Other restrictions will or will not be precluded by either the federal constitution or the individual state's constitution.

      However, we do have this setup so that people can move freely between states in a marketplace of governments. Alabama's too Bible-thumping for you? Move to Michigan. Michigan isn't a right-to-work state? Move to Alabama, which is. New York taxing you to oblivion? Move to New Hampshire.

    3. Re:Good answer by patrik · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly these things came to the federal level because they were being infringed upon. RP's bill is an attempt to override the previous findings in the court cases and prevent them from ever being heard at the federal level again. In affect RP is trying to legislate away parts of the constitution.

      If the people in Alabama are too bible thumping then I might consider leaving (assuming they're only being annoying and not infringing upon my rights). If the government of Alabama is too bible thumping and wants to discriminate against me and restrict my rights that should be given to me as a citizen of the United Stats of America then THEY need to change, not I.

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  102. ... and the rebuttal: by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Captain James T. Kucinich campaign had a one word rebuttal to this:

    Khaaann!!!

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  103. Don't kid yourself. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 3, Interesting

    His campaign web site isn't factual, it's a sales pitch. We don't push those here.

    Let me see if I have this straight: Paul's website is a sales pitch, but the wishy-washy answers Roblimo got from the Paul campaign and posted as the article isn't? As far as I'm concerned, there's no difference between the two. Both are claims as to where Ron Paul stands on particular political issues. That is all they are: sales pitches.

    You can call me cynical, but as far as I'm concerned, all news is propaganda. Hard facts are diamonds trapped in a matrix created by the manner in which a journalist chooses to present the facts. Read a news article, and you are not just getting the facts, but the journalist's (or his editor's) perception of the facts.

    This post is also propaganda, like every other post here.

    1. Re:Don't kid yourself. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Let me see if I have this straight: Paul's website is a sales pitch, but the wishy-washy answers Roblimo got from the Paul campaign and posted as the article isn't?

      The main difference being that on Ron Paul's campaign web site, his campaign PR people get to formulate both the questions and the answers. That's very different from just being allowed to answer.
    2. Re:Don't kid yourself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...both the questions and the answers.

      Ah, you mean like this:

      MODERATOR: Senator, how would you get us out of Iraq, were you elected President in November, and what effect do you think it would have on Middle East stability, and the United States security?
      SEN: Well, let me say, that when I voted for the war, it was on the basis of faulty intelligence, and if I had known then what I know now, about the way President Bush would abuse the authority we gave him, I would never had voted for the war.

      With politicians, it just doesn't matter what the questions are. They are going to give you the answers they want to give you regardless of what the questions are that you ask.

  104. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Woundweavr · · Score: 2, Informative
    I believe the parent comment was referring to the fact that a racist newsletter was published under Ron Paul's name for almost twenty years (78-95) that were filled with hardcore racist views. The newsletters not only were published using his name but by two organizations that Paul owned or ran. Paul isn't a true libertarian, he's a von Mises "libertarian". Anyone who would publish a newsletter that implies he wrote it saying things like "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began" will never get my vote. And it was the MO of the newsletter (from above link)

    This "Special Issue on Racial Terrorism" was hardly the first time one of Paul's publications had raised these topics. As early as December 1989, a section of his Investment Letter, titled "What To Expect for the 1990s," predicted that "Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities" because "mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white 'haves.'" Two months later, a newsletter warned of "The Coming Race War," and, in November 1990, an item advised readers, "If you live in a major city, and can leave, do so. If not, but you can have a rural retreat, for investment and refuge, buy it." In June 1991, an entry on racial disturbances in Washington, DC's Adams Morgan neighborhood was titled, "Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo." "This is only the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s," the newsletter predicted. ...
    Martin Luther King Jr. earned special ire from Paul's newsletters, which attacked the civil rights leader frequently, often to justify opposition to the federal holiday named after him. ("What an infamy Ronald Reagan approved it!" one newsletter complained in 1990. "We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.") In the early 1990s, newsletters attacked the "X-Rated Martin Luther King" as a "world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours," "seduced underage girls and boys," and "made a pass at" fellow civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy. One newsletter ridiculed black activists who wanted to rename New York City after King, suggesting that "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," and "Lazyopolis" were better alternatives. The same year, King was described as "a comsymp, if not an actual party member, and the man who replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration."

    While bashing King, the newsletters had kind words for the former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke. In a passage titled "The Duke's Victory," a newsletter celebrated Duke's 44 percent showing in the 1990 Louisiana Senate primary. "Duke lost the election," it said, "but he scared the blazes out of the Establishment." In 1991, a newsletter asked, "Is David Duke's new prominence, despite his losing the gubernatorial election, good for anti-big government forces?" The conclusion was that "our priority should be to take the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-crime, anti-welfare loafers, anti-race privilege, anti-foreign meddling message of Duke, and enclose it in a more consistent package of freedom." Duke is now returning the favor, telling me that, while he will not formally endorse any candidate, he has made information about Ron Paul available on his website. ...
    Paul's newsletters didn't just contain bigotry. They also contained paranoia--specifically, the brand of anti-government paranoia that festered among right-wing militia groups during the 1980s and '90s. Indeed, the newsletters seemed to hint that armed revolution against the federal government would be justified. In January 1995, three months before right-wing militants bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, a newsletter listed "Ten Militia Commandments," describing "the 1,500 local militias now training to defend liberty" as "one

  105. Re:maybe slashdot should contact the candidates ag by Klowner · · Score: 1

    Is it still called voting if you use a screwdriver and a usb thumbdrive to do it?

  106. IP and the Constitution by slysithesuperspy · · Score: 1

    Looks like whoever replied was in a bit of a rush...but nevermind. It would have been nice to link each answer to the Constitution, like Paul normally does. What does it say about IP in there?

  107. Everything's absurd by Quila · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slashdot readers in general have no idea of how screwed the US is. ... It's absurd to worry about ...
    Different people worry about different things, and some egomaniacs tell you you're stupid to have your set of worries instead of theirs, because theirs are "more important."

    Right now there are millions of Christian fundamentalists who will tell you that you are stupid to think any of these things matter because the morality of the country is going down the tubes and we're straying from God's word, and that's what will destroy us.
    1. Re:Everything's absurd by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      Right now there are millions of Christian fundamentalists who will tell you that you are stupid to think any of these things matter because the morality of the country is going down the tubes and we're straying from God's word, and that's what will destroy us. I agree, those Christian fundamentalists probably will destroy us.
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  108. thank you by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    anthropomorphic talking christmas turd

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  109. My gripe with his IP question responses by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, he should at least be (very lightly) commended for admitting he hasn't thought about it, rather than giving a bullshit answer.

    But why hasn't he thought about it? All of RP's policy decisions come down to this decision: is the power mentioned in the Constitution? If so, then it merits resolution, else the 10th Amendment prohibits it. Well, IP is there, right in Article 1 Section 8. There are so few issues actually at stake, once you look at it in this manner, so I'm kind of disappointed that he doesn't have a position on this one.

    More to the point, I find it hard to believe. Maybe we really did get a bullshit answer. That doesn't really line up with what we know about the guy, but nevertheless I'm getting a whiff of it.

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  110. And now for some actual analysis by Bloodoflethe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) Global high tech

    Ron Paul campaign: America should stop subsidizing the defenses of the rest of the world and worry more about its own national security interests, including its interests in a viable space program. As president, I will also work to remove barriers to private space flight.
    This statement basically says he wants to keep the role of the government to national defense purposes, to which our space program has contributed greatly. He clearly sees private innovation as helpful in much the same way that we see open source development as a good thing (just wait until the private community stops communicating openly with each other).

    2) Why Can't I Get a Straight Answer?

    Ron Paul campaign: The American people should expect clear and direct answers to their questions. Not only have I always strived to clearly state my position on issues, but my voting record backs up my commitment to the free-market, limited government philosophy I espouse on the campaign trail.
    This answer has no conflict with #1. Some may think the quote of limits on government conflict with #1, but libertarians believe that the limits on government are not in the area of national defense, rather in the arena of internal policies that override the sovereignty of states. He believes in free-market (more than I do) and he supports limits on government. So he's basically saying that his voting record and his words match up.

    3) Marijuana

    Ron Paul campaign: I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws.
    This is pretty damn straightforward and does not conflict with the previous statements.

    4) What do you think about technology?

    Ron Paul campaign: I favor enforcement of intellectual property rights; however, some of the steps taken to protect these rights impose unreasonable burdens on the consumers and even raise civil liberties concerns. As president, I will seek a balance between the interest of copyright holders and consumers of digital media.
    He obfuscates his answer a small amount here, but not much. The question itself was badly flawed in that it required a a somewhat convoluted answer in order to get at both topics (which, in my opinion, should be answered in a dissertation for any worthwhile content) For a short answer, this is pretty good.

    5) What do you think about patents?

    Ron Paul campaign: Patents have a role to play in encouraging innovation. While I do not have a plan for patent reform yet, I would want to work with Congress to make sure that the US patent system encourages and rewards innovation. Making sure the patent system is fair to small business and entrepreneurs, rewards the actual inventors of a product, and does not tilt the playing field to large corporations will be a priority in my administration's approach to patent law.
    I think this is the best answer of all: he admits that he doesn't have a reform plan. He then blows a bit of sunshine our way in a nice little marketing ploy, yet managing to keep it honest.
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    1. Re:And now for some actual analysis by Burn_This_City · · Score: 1

      "3) Marijuana Ron Paul campaign: I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws. This is pretty damn straightforward and does not conflict with the previous statements." Yet you notice he says 'I oppose' and not 'will work to remove barriers'. Don't expect any real change there.

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  112. For those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who need answers to more serious issues, just go to his website you idiots.

  113. Re:they're gonna' do everything we want aren't the by Mark+Bainter · · Score: 1

    Yes, by all means put your eggs in the basket with a hole in the bottom instead.

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  114. ifthereishopeitliesinthethirdparties by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Given the way candidates are nominated, I don't think third parties really have much of a chance.

    What I'd like to see (though, I'm sure there's a flaw in it somewhere) is for all the states to have partyless primaries, like Louisiana, where everyone running for prez is on the same ballot, and the two top vote getters go to the general election in November, even if they're from the same party.

    Of course, it has been noted that even this system locks out third parties, because the two top vote getters will always be the favorites of the two main factions. Say candidate A is the favorite of faction A, and candidate B is the favorite of faction B, and nobody in faction A would ever consider candidate B as a second choice, and nobody in Faction B would ever consider candidate A as a second choice. But if there is a moderate candidate C that everyone could live with, even if not their favorite, C doesn't have a chance in the Louisiansa system.

    I would modify that system such that everyone votes for TWO candidates in the partyless primary. So that everyone gets to vote for their favorite, and second favorite. That way Candidate C ends up in the general election.

  115. Great answers from Emrys ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So perhaps Emrys can improve on the following ...

    The first two official answers were completely inconsistent with each other, in that the first statement was as distant from a "straight answer" as anything that the regular batch of politicians might have said.

    Please do the question justice.

  116. An interview with Carol Paul and 2 granddaughters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  117. Greatly appreciative for the reply. by JonTurner · · Score: 1

    Thank you, Emrys! That was very informative.

  118. Translation by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    1) The affairs of others are not our concern.

    2) Could you please rephrase that as a question?

    3) By stressing the word "federal" I can hopefully avoid alienate voters by coming out as pro-drugs (which is an issue not important to me), and instead stress my stand on "small government" (which is important to me).

    4 and 5) The issues are not important to me. Obviously a balance between rewarding creation and the interest of the public is needed. I'll figure out what that balance is after I get elected president.

  119. What I'd like to know... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    Okay, so RP is running on the purist federalist philosophy. Dandy.

    Given that most of the administration in Washington is largely in the business of collecting and redistributing funding to the states with standards compliance requirements attached, does he honestly think that removing the federal component will make a stick of difference to the average American on the ground? The programs will still exist and the revenue will need to come from somewhere. I get the home-rule states' rights bit, but I rarely hear the fanbois cooing over anything but the prospect of cutting their tax bill, which isn't likely even if we burnt Washington to the ground.

  120. Re:coflicting answers (aid to china) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That funding is from the UN, The USA is not the only member of the UN, so probably doesn't contribute the whole amount itself. Perhaps you want to find out what proportion the US contributes, but since I'm not a US citizen or tax-payer, I don't care.

    Ron Paul (or whoever actually wrote the answer to the first question) said that he intends to withdraw funding for the defence of other countries, the aid to China that you linked to was for socio-economic development not defence.

    Did you actually read what you linked to? Because it doesn't look like it. The link you gave doesn't even give any information on recent funding (the most recent figure from that link is 4 years old), so China may not even be getting that much now.

  121. Leading Questions!! by Prof+Dodecahedron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The main hindrance to American technological innovation is a patent system that rewards people for sitting on ideas and punishes those who create new products. It has become an accepted fact that when you create something new, you will likely have to pay companies that had nothing whatsoever to do with your invention, just because they filed a patent while never intending to actually produce or sell anything. Did anyone else notice how leading these "Questions" are? They tell the interviewee exactly what you are wanting to hear, basically just leaving it up to them to answer "Yes I agree". Maybe a better method would be to explain both sides from each side's own view (meaning not degrading or promoting either one) and ask which they support or how they would resolve these two conflicting opinions. These people being interviewed could have no clue about the subject and just telling them one side of the story is like all the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoaxDihydrogen Monoxide hoaxes where politicians were ready to ban the stuff. In fact, that should have been one of the questions imho.
  122. I think that's rather the point by Nursie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That having people stationed all over the world and going on wars of adventure on shaky evidence might just not be the best use of taxpayer money. So yes, shave the defence fund.

  123. Re:co(n)flicting answers by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are also people out there that assume there is a magic bullet government program that will fix everything.

    Yes, those people call themselves "Republicans" and "Democrats" and they are the majority.

    That is why libertarians exist; and also why they lose.

    The vast majority thinks the government exists to be their mommy, and their political parties have turned this cowardly and un-american outlook into the primary legislative theme of almost every representative. This in turn has led directly to the essential irrelevance of the constitution with regard to law, uncontrolled government expansion, loss of liberties, privacy and property, and a general feeling of helplessness when government abuse is directed, as it eventually is, at one's self.

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  124. You're splitting hairs. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    It makes no difference to me, since I myself didn't ask the questions. Chances are that you didn't get to ask either. Slashdot's editors did; they picked the questions and passed 'em along to the appropriate flunky at Ron Paul's campaign HQ.

  125. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I figure you's keepin' the other third cuz we's gooder at sports. Am I right, honky?

  126. Incentive by Quila · · Score: 1

    Knowing that he'll only be able to keep 1 of his 100 billion, he'll likely not even try for the 100 billion and the economic advantage it would have brought to the country. Thus we all lose by over-taxing him to a point you think is reasonable. BTW, you're only 1% away from being pure communist.

    1. Re:Incentive by RobBebop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you miss where I quoted his sarcastic comment and rationalized it? Or did you simply feel the need to re-rationalize my own point? Well, you are correct. Nobody earning more than $100 Billion dollars per year would be compelled to continue earning if his take home pay were on $1 Billion.

      That being said, anybody earning that much is cheating the system somehow...

      What's more to the point, how can you compare a progressive tax in a capitalist economy to communism? If somebody DID earn $100 Billion and he had to give 99% of it up to benefit the rest of us.... and then we all made within 1% of $1 Billion as our annual income (i.e. between $990 Million and $1.1 Billion) then I would agree with you. But *most* people earn 0.005% of $1 Billion, and that hardly meshes with the communist economic ideal that everybody is entitled to the same amount of resources. Thus, you are 99.995% wrong with your analysis.

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    2. Re:Incentive by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      You "rationalized" it with a mythical person making $100 billion a year. You really think that's where the cutoff is going to be? It always starts out high (people making millions), but when the government finds that doesn't bring in enough, they lower the bar. And lower it. And lower it. It got down to $60K a year last time they made the claim. I made $170,000 last year, but I should be just fine keeping $1,700, right?

      You have to remember in the days of 70% brackets there were a lot of tax deductions and tax shelters. When the upper brackets got cut, most of those went away with home mortgage interest being one of the few remaining. Go ahead and buy one of those big tax guides that are for sale this time of year. Look at what can be deducted. There's isn't shit left.

      What the current Left wants to do raise the brackets back without any deductions or protections. But details like this, and many other layers of reality, are just invisible to people like you. Give you a good slogan and a catchy chant and some classic class warfare rhetoric, and you're a happy camper. A "useful idiot" as the saying goes.

      As it is, I probably paid more in taxes than a lot of folks here even grossed only to see it squandered on war and waste and endless bullshit. And now you want me to pay more money down multiple black holes to assuage your guilty conscience of... whatever? Flat out: Fuck you. Keep your grubby hands out of my wallet.

      That being said, anybody earning that much is cheating the system somehow...

      Ah. Now we've tossed "guilty until proven innocent" into the mix. Swell. Will we taking the guillotines out of storage, too?

    3. Re:Incentive by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      I made $170,000 last year, but I should be just fine keeping $1,700, right? [...] What the current Left wants to do raise the brackets back without any deductions or protections. [...] As it is, I probably paid more in taxes than a lot of folks here even grossed only to see it squandered on war and waste and endless bullshit.

      Before continuing the argument, can we state that neither of us is that concerned about money on a month to month basis? I am not. You make more than twice as me, so you should not be either. My arguments mainly apply to those makings half of what I make or less. These people are, I believe, overtaxed.

      No, you should be paying $50k per year and be happy with your scarce budget of $10k per month. There are A LOT of people who have to survive on less than that much per quarter, but the stories about CEOs, professional athletes, businessmen, and actors were earn $20-100 Million per year are who I would stick with the highest taxes. Your paltry 33% range of $160k to $350k is comfortable, but I would progress it up a bit (40%?). I would stick a bracket in the $350k to 2.5M range and hit them with 50% (the budget of $15k to 100k per month is fair). I would add a bracket from $2.5M to 20M for 60% (a paltry 83k to 666k budget per month). Then 70% for everyone above $20M.

      A real PROGRESSIVE tax and not a tax that jumps from 15% for somebody at the poverty level to 25% for most professionals to 35% for the insanely rich.

      I mean, this is *my* own idiot ramblings, and doesn't reflect any specific campaign promises by Obama or Clinton... but I think you will find that their numbers (if they even have numbers that are published) are going to be more agreeable to you than you think.

      Remember, the goal of the government is security... and that includes guaranteeing the all citizens will have enough resources to live comfortably so that they are not driven to crime. Part of reducing crime, is reducing taxes on the poor OR funding social welfare programs.

      But, I agree with you on one thing. We shouldn't be paying (or going into debt for) the war we are currently in. An administration that saves us that expense would be a boon.

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    4. Re:Incentive by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks I need to live. Maybe I want to retire early and do other things with my life other than work 60 hours a week. I'm no Objectivist (I avoid any fixed ideology) but they have a point when they ask if a man is entitled to the sweat of his brow or however the saying goes. They didn't make that up for Bioshock. ;-)

      And to be blunt: you want to reduce crime? Free abortions to all, no questions asked, no age limit. I joke sometimes when I say they should be available in sidewalk kiosks, but only a little. I'm afraid many of the truths in this world are uncomfortable, but we have to accept them.

      Also, the already poor don't really pay many income taxes. That's what baffles me when some on the Left call for higher gas and sales taxes. Those hit the poor more than anybody.

      Actually, I'm sorry if I sounded angrier than I was. I've had a bad week. And I'm just so tired of everything being so broken, and then everyone wanting me to pay to "fix it" when I know we're just going to get more broken stuff. I'm tired and old and I just want to move to Costa Rica or Belize and relax with tequila and whores.

    5. Re:Incentive by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      I just want to move to Costa Rica or Belize and relax with tequila and whores.

      Quit your job. Marry a trophy wife. Let her go to work to support you. Girls these days have good careers with affirmative action. They are smart and perky and idealistic and independent and they've been through college during a time that embraces sex and pornography (because of the widespread use of the internet).

      Plus, you'll get a tax write-off for being married, and you'll join that glorious 15% bracket.

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  127. Patents by Quila · · Score: 1

    I don't like his ideas on patents. ("Patents have a role to play in encouraging innovation." This is a baseless assertion with no supporting evidence, an axiom of ignorance.)
    Baseless assertion? That answer comes directly from the constitutional authorization for patents, promoting the arts and sciences. What I get from his response is that he won't support patents where they don't help innovation (I think patent trolls fit that description).
  128. [[Citation Needed]] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Even God killed Judas.

    Care to give a citation for that? The only reference I can find is in the Bible and it indicates that Judas committed suicide.

    1. Re:[[Citation Needed]] by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      I had heard his suicide interpreted as being influenced by God as punishment. I apologize if that was an incorrect interpretation.

  129. Where does it go? by Quila · · Score: 1

    Since the middle and low income class must spend a larger percentage of their income on purchasing things, there is a better chance it will be spent, than if it lands into a wealthy elite individuals hands, who has more money than they know what to do with.
    You act as if the rich put their money in a mattress. That money gets invested in the markets, providing money for other companies to do more business, hire more people. Or it gets invested directly in small start-up companies so they can grow and realize their dream. A young company called Nanosolar wouldn't be gearing up to cheaply manufacture triple the current US output of solar cells right now if the Google Guys weren't so rich they could afford to invest $100 million in it.
  130. Strange? by fm6 · · Score: 1

    The candidates were the exact opposite: not a single one answered emails we sent to their "media inquiry" links or email addresses. Slashdot has more readers than all but a handful of major daily papers, so that's kind of strange.
    Strange, how? In case you hadn't noticed, this is the busiest part of the primary/caucus season. Especially today, with 23 states holding primaries at the same time. (Is that why it's called "Fat Tuesday"? Just kidding.) I'll bet even the major news organizations are having trouble getting answers to any serious questions. If you wanted to stage a serious Q&A, you should have done it a couple of weeks ago. Or better yet, before the New Hampshire primary.

    Hey, if you'd done that, maybe Fred Thompson would still be in the race. Now he'll probably sign up for another lame TV show. If it turns out that he's the big cheese behind the Dharma Initiative, I'm holding you guys responsible!
  131. Slight correction by Quila · · Score: 1

    Ron Paul only opposes using eminent domain outside the scope of that power granted to government. He doesn't have a problem with constitutional eminent domain, such as you own the land where the city wants to put the new courthouse.

  132. A critical question not even asked... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'd be curious to know what Mr. Paul thinks is needed to be done in healthcare-- with the industry now primarily in the control of insurance and pharmaceutical companies, causing the costs to skyrocket-- just what exactly is the libertarian "free market" solution? Seems to me the "free market" solution is currently in operation there, and is spiralling out of control. The only way you can "open up competition" in healthcare is to remove patent protection on prescription drugs, and that may have the side effect of reducing incentives on drug development. This may be a very hard question, and I think a candidates answer to it would be crucial to their thinking processes (or lack thereof). However, I don't see many people even asking it...

  133. surprised and disappointed about tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm very surprised the slashdot community I regard as an intelligent group who tends to avoid knee jerk reactions and not draw opinions without being somewhat informed of the facts decided to tag the Ron Paul article with words like 'bigot, racist'. Are we turning into Digg?

  134. got it by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    because people arguing for giving the least to public institutions are bountifully generous givers to charity

    you've swalloed the hype man. a politicla theory that is little more than selfishness is not a mainstay of charitable giving. doesn't even remotely pass the laugh test

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  135. Free? by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1


    Who the hell thinks it's free? The states know full well the money came from their taxpayers. Most of that money goes to programs enacted and administered at the state level. Absent the federal tax intermediary or program administration, the states will just tax their citizens directly.

    The majority of Americans live in states where removing the federal administration and financing of those programs will do absolutely nothing to remove the programs or the funding, it will just shift the path of the receipts and will in many cases result in a net INCREASE in cost for those states that currently receive more from Washington than they remit.

  136. Won't respond to questions by HandleMyBidness · · Score: 1

    But I'm looking at a banner for Obama '08 on the front page.

  137. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nonsense, all of the presidential candidates belong to secret societies, pretty much all of which have reformed enough to allow in the occasional black, asian, hispanic, indian... even the occasional butch female. How dare anyone insinuate!

  138. so let me get this straight, that you actually believe this:

    a "political theory" (read: shallow selfishness masquerading as something deeper) based on giving as little as possible to public institutions, is going to release the floodgates on massive charitable giving

    doesn't even begin to pass the laugh test

    you want to tell me, you want me to believe, that a group of people arguing for giving the least to public institutions are... drum roll please... going to become bountifully generous givers to charity in the utopia of libertarianism

    pffffffffffftttttttttttt

    my only question is: can i smoke what you are smoking to believe that flaming giant pos?

    here, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt: assuming there are some idiotic naive twits who actually believe that a "philosophy" founded on giving as little as possible to the concept of the public good is going to mean more charitable giving

    let's just go with the idea that there are actually people that naive in the world. there probably are in fact

    now, if you are such a naive twit: in the boundless limits of your imagination, you can't imagine that this "philosophy" will appeal, in the overwhelming majority, to people who are, frankly, nothing but selfish aholes, who will in fact not give one penny even if they are filthy rich?

    impossible, right?

    my god the naivete

    unfortunate ugly truth of this world: for many people, even if they appreciate the concept of a need to invest in the public good, you still have to force them to do that. that if you make it voluntary, only a fraction of people will give

    ugly

    but iron clad truth

    sorry to burst your bubble, my naive friend

    (snicker)

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    1. Re:HA! by Quila · · Score: 1

      a "political theory" (read: [slander omitted]) based on giving as little as possible to public institutions, is going to release the floodgates on massive charitable giving
      Giving to public institutions is encouraged. Public institutions taking your money at gun point is not. In 2006 there were 902,270 charities in the United States with 1,150,564,786,708 in donations. This does not count small private charitable giving that is not registered.
  139. How do we smear this guy? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I believe the parent comment was referring to the fact that a racist newsletter was published under Ron Paul's name for almost twenty years (78-95) that were filled with hardcore racist views. Had sporadic unpopular views on racially charged subjects, peppered over decades of publication. When putting all of these together at once, and ignoring the fact that they were written by many anonymous contributors, they can be used to make a tolerant, open minded person appear racist.

    If anyone points out he didn't write those comments, you can claim that as a practicing doctor, his involvement in a political newsletter is representative of his involvement in the country as president.
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    1. Re:How do we smear this guy? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Maintain a forum designed to explicitly get racist comments is no better.

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    2. Re:How do we smear this guy? by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maintain a forum designed to explicitly get racist comments is no better. So, since there are racist comments in every thread on slashdot, Rob Malda is racist?
      Or, since when he didn't want to be spending his time in politics, Ron Paul agreed to keep the newsletter in circulation under new management, he can't run a country?

      You have such a tenuous grasp of logic as to be totally insubstantial, if you think that way.
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    3. Re:How do we smear this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The seriously racist newsletters were written within a 5 year span from 1989 to 1994, not decades as you inaccurately state.

      They were not written by many anonymous contributors. They were most likely written by Lew Rockwell, Paul's one-time congressional chief of staff, and vice president of Ron Paul & Associates, the corporation that published the Ron Paul Political Report and the Ron Paul Survival Report. Rockwell is still a friend and associate of Paul, and sometimes accompanied him to political events.

      See here for more info, including words from an editor of American Libertarian who says it was common knowledge in 1988 that Rockwell wrote the stuff published under Paul's name.

    4. Re:How do we smear this guy? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Maintain a forum designed to explicitly get racist comments is no better. So, since there are racist comments in every thread on slashdot, Rob Malda is racist?

      You are either very stupid or extremely disingenuous if you cannot or will not differentiate between "a forum designed explicitly [to] get racist comments" and a forum which happens to receive the usual percentage of racist comments.

      And to head you off at the past, I am not calling you a liar, or an idiot. I am giving you the opportunity to explain which you are, which is subtly different. Well, subtle on your scale. Thank you.

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    5. Re:How do we smear this guy? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      You are either very stupid or extremely disingenuous if you cannot or will not differentiate between "a forum designed explicitly [to] get racist comments" and a forum which happens to receive the usual percentage of racist comments. Go ahead and demonstrate that this applies to the infamous Ron Paul newletter anymore than it does to slashdot.

      Can't wait to see if you're incredibly stupid and/or disingenuous.
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    6. Re:How do we smear this guy? by Woundweavr · · Score: 1

      "Sporadic unpopular views on racially charged subjects" is a description that only one willfully ignoring the facts would apply to the Ron Paul newsletters. Ron Paul started two organizations and authorized those organizations to put together two publications that bore his name. In both of them, articles that warned of a coming "race war", called blacks animals and was full of many kinds of bigotry featured prominently for twenty years. Paul admits that he wrote articles for the newsletters and that the newsletters were put together in such a way to present Paul as the author. Paul refuses to produce any evidence that he didn't write the articles let alone that he was uninvolved in the newsletters.

      For two decades, two organizations Paul ran/owned published two newsletters that bore his name in the title that contained reprehensible material. Even the kindest interpretation of Paul's story - that while he was at times involved with the newsletter he didn't know what was going on under his authority - indicates he is unfit to serve as President. If he couldn't lead his non-profit organization and his small company without discovering that this was happening under his nose for twenty years, he can't lead the country.

    7. Re:How do we smear this guy? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      bigotry featured prominently for twenty years. Prove that.
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    8. Re:How do we smear this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >And to head you off at the past

      Can I borrow your time machine when you are done with it?

  140. Re:maybe slashdot should contact the candidates ag by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Instead of some crackpot geek site they'll see it as a forum for a significant amount of voters. Or maybe they just don't think geeks vote :)

    Yes, but intelligent people aren't fooled by politics as usual. The candidates want people they can easily manipulate into voting for them with rhetoric or prizes (tax breaks, pork). Not people who they have to impress with actual qualifications and viewpoints on issues they are expected to uphold once in office.
  141. RE: Question 3 by penguin_dance · · Score: 1

    How is question 3 a "tech-oriented question"?

    Most of these questions were extremely slanted to the answer desired instead of being open-ended.

    And why not a question like: Windows, Apple or Linux and why?

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  142. No state laws by Quila · · Score: 1

    I think the federal government should stay out of it and there should be no state laws against it
    The problem a lot of people are having is that they are used to politicians who don't think we have a republic made of sovereign states. Any answer that doesn't sound like it fits the "one government" template sounds strange.

    But his answer fits perfectly with his philosophy. As a proponent of the federal republic, anything he would say about internal state laws like this would be purely personal opinion and as utterly meaningless as the "Diamonds or Pearls" question asked of Clinton at one Democratic debate. And Ron Paul isn't prone to meaningless pander.
    1. Re:No state laws by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      But his answer fits perfectly with his philosophy. As a proponent of the federal republic, anything he would say about internal state laws like this would be purely personal opinion and as utterly meaningless...

      Except that it's not meaningless. For one, its a matter of customs and interstate commerce. Leaving that aside, it not being a federal issue is not an answer. What does he think Texas should do? Otherwise, it's an obvious "fill in what you want to hear" answer.

      And Ron Paul isn't prone to meaningless pander.

      Except with regards to the Federal Reserve or any economic matter.

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  143. America can't afford to get out of Saudi by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Sorry. America can't get out of Saudi. The Saudis are propping up the US dollar by accepting paper as payment for oil, and thereby the whole US economy and military machine.

    What I find ironic is that all this goes back to Nixon.

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  144. Free trade by Quila · · Score: 1

    He keeps saying he's for free trade, but whenever a vote comes up he votes protectionist.
    He's not so much for free trade as free and fair trade. He votes against it because most of our free trade agreements give the advantage to other countries.
  145. Re:coflicting answers (true oil price) by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    Why spend 1 trillion dollars and 100,000 soldiers protecting oil flow and royally pissing off huge numbers of people. If the "real" cost of oil is $200 a barrel and we are hiding that by using tax payer money to provide security then stop doing that. With the true price of oil unmasked, then other alternatives become economically viable.

    It's a really interesting point - and oddly obvious, yet no one notices. Let's pretend the war will only cost $1 trillion dollars. OK. Now, How much oil is in Iraq? Well according to the .gov they have 112 billion barrels of oil. I'm going to be generous and round it off to 120 billion, just because I'm nice, and I suck at doing math on the fly. So, divide 1 trillion by 120 billion and you get $8.3 per barrel. BUT: it doesn't work that way. for one thing, you never pull 100% of the oil out. Normally, it's around 50% or so when you start retreating and give up around 75%. So, let's be generous and pretend they will pull 80%, or 100 billion barrels out. That's $10 a barrel. However, there are MANY people looking to buy this stuff, and there is domestic consumption to consider. If the USA pulls 25% of this over to the states, then we're talking $40 a barrel surcharge on EVERY BARREL OF OIL.

    So, when the base cost is $100 a barrel, America will be paying $140 a barrel.

    Brilliant. And that's being bend over backwards generous. Frankly, I think the reserves are over estimated by at least 30% and that the quality is crap and they won't get more than 65 - 70% of it out in total and the USA likely to get perhaps 25% of that, which would make the surcharge more like $60 - 80 a barrel.

    The answer is: it is always cheaper to buy something than steal it.

    RS

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  146. Who's Donald Segretti? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    But of course, we are all supposed to believe that he is not just another politician, and he is somehow fantastic and different. He's the target of smear attacks like any politician, that's for sure.
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  147. The fed's role by Quila · · Score: 1

    If it's customs, then the appropriate question would have been would you push to allow imports? But that question was not asked.

    If it's interstate commerce, then there is the possibility of a role. But the fed's original role for such commerce was mainly to make sure the states operated on a level playing field, not to prohibit. Even then, it's a question that was not asked, as it also doesn't have anything to do with a regular user going to jail.

  148. Re:Ron Paul Newsletter by dangitman · · Score: 1

    And he did nothing to stop it, until he we caught out... what does that say about him? Never mind that the people who wrote it under his name were employed by him to do so.

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  149. Offtopic and nitpicking.. by Sapphon · · Score: 1

    From a purely economic point of view it is probably better to let the mentally ill and unemployable just die on the street instead of subsidizing them for the rest of their life, but that's not what most people consider acceptable for the first world.


    You're making the common mistake of confusing the "economic point of view" with "valuing everything in terms of money". Yes, economists do use money to measure most things, but only because it's the best proxy we can find for what we actually want to measure: utility (think of it as happiness).

    So, yes, the money spent on the mentally ill and unemployable (MI&U)might outweigh the money they generate, but – as you said yourself – "that's not what most people consider acceptable for the first world". That is, if we stopped funding the MI&U, people (the nation) would be unhappier. If this decrease in happiness is greater than the greatest amount of happiness we could generate with the money we stopped spending on the MI&U (the first-best alternative - tax cuts, schools, lollipops for all), then it would make economic sense to keep funding the MI&U

    Economists – we're here to make you happy :-)
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  150. Re:maybe slashdot should contact the candidates ag by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

    How many /.ers are US voters, though?

    (Actually, that would make for an interesting poll. "I voted for Bush" can be the CowboyNeal option.)

    - RG>

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  151. Re:co(n)flicting answers by Naturalis+Philosopho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I normally wouldn't answer a rant like yours, but I feel I must as it's been rated "insightful" for some frightful reason. Guess I'll be losing my Karma.

    You are wrong. Most people do not want to have the gov't be their mommy. Most people either feel helpless to fix the system, are just greedy, or don't think at all. They know the government is broken, but don't feel that they can do anything about it. One man I know feels that the tax cuts are wrong, and that W. has betrayed his conservative ideals, but this man still wants his tax cut money. Why? Because he says that the system is so far gone, he may as well "get his". I think that if you ask around, most people will say they just "want theirs". Greed is good, right Mr. Libertarian? Problem is, if we don't work together sometimes things just don't work.

    Gagh, you made me defend centrists. Now I must shower.

  152. WHAT information??? by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Informative

    or question 4, or question 5 for that matter.
    Moderation +3
        40% Informative


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  153. value of diversity... by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who finds diversity (i.e. confusion) among the laws of a single country a bad idea?

    Likely, no, but there is something to be said about value of diversity as well, if one considers that competition of ideas is a good thing (and central planning does not work).

    Imagine a country where, say, California can implement a full-fledged worker's paradise, and, say, Texas a hard big-business friendly set of policies with you (and me) free to chose (move and take our, preferrably gold-backed, $$ with us) to either one of 48 other places in-between. Eventually laws and people might settle into a configuration which maximizes everyone's happiness (or, at least, minimizes pain).

    How's that for an idea?

    Paul B.

    1. Re:value of diversity... by darthflo · · Score: 1

      For the example you provided, it does seem like a good idea. OTOH I do like to know as much as possible about my rights and duties as a citizen and memorizing fifty sets of different laws plus federal law where applicable isn't something I'd look quite forward to. Of course knowing what applies to my current state of residence should usually suffice, but I somewhat prefer the peace of mind to know my rights when travelling nationally. A country, to me, should mean a(n as) unified (as possible) set of laws.
      Seems I like the European way of handling this (lots of smaller, discrete countries) in favour of the American one (huge but somewhat loose federation of independent states).

    2. Re:value of diversity... by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Seems I like the European way of handling this (lots of smaller, discrete countries) in favour of the American one (huge but somewhat loose federation of independent states).

      And I prefer having local control. I don't want someone 3000 miles away dictating to me.

      Falcon
    3. Re:value of diversity... by aevans · · Score: 1

      Sounds good, except Texas ends up having to pay out federally to clean up the California nightmare.

    4. Re:value of diversity... by PaulBu · · Score: 1

      But remember, the whole premise was that there is no Constitutional right for the (tiny, by then) Federal govt to force for Texas to pay for CA nightmare!

      Paul B.

  154. Don't steal our country, go make your own by spun · · Score: 1

    But this is our country. If you don't like the rules, you are free to enact changes, as long as the majority agree with you. If you don't like the rules and don't want to work through the proper channels to change them, your only other option is to leave. Let's say you go to someone's house, and they demand you give them money. You don't want to give them money to stay there, and insist that they do not have the right to demand money from you, as you didn't agree to it. You are asserting that you have the right to trespass on another person's property. The US is the property of the US citizens, and we have collectively agreed that there will be certain rules that everyone who lives here follows. You do not have the right to claim the moral high ground and to say that we have no right to make you follow our rules on our property. You are free to leave our property if you don't like our rules, but you can't just demand that we change them because you don't like them.

    No one is arguing that you have the right to do whatever you want on your own property if that property is unencumbered by other agreements. All property in the US is encumbered by other agreements. If you don't like the agreements that encumber property here, you are free to buy property elsewhere. You don't have the right to unilaterally decide that property in the US will not be encumbered by those agreements. Sure, you can attempt to get others to agree with your selfish and self centered ideas, but fortunately, only a small minority of crazy libertarians agree with you, and as we've seen, libertarians don't and can't control any nation or state in the world because too few people agree with their insane and selfish ideals.

    Good luck with your childish "You're not the boss of me!" political "philosophy." Just leave the rest of us out of it. If you want to live like that, go find somewhere else to do it. Don't try to steal our country, make one of your own.

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    1. Re:Don't steal our country, go make your own by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      But this is our country.

      It's just as much my country as yours. I own a tiny piece of it -- my property -- and you own your tiny piece of it. Neither of us has any right to tell the other what to do with their piece. If the entire country (geographically) were your property you might have a point, but it isn't. A just claim of ownership is grounded in the process of homesteading, which requires a personal connection to the property. You have none. An unsubstantiated claim, one with no connection to the property, is just empty words.

      All property in the US is encumbered by other agreements.

      You have to own property to restrict its use. You need a valid, voluntary contract with someone before you have any right to demand payment; apart, of course, from compensation for damages resulting directly from the other's actions. No part of these "encumbrances" you are claiming has any basis in reality. The idea of the "social contract" -- that a person can be bound by a contract simply by being born in the wrong place -- was always a myth.

      The selfish person refuses to share what belongs to him or her; the concept presumes absolute individual ownership. Eliminate private property and you remove the choice, eliminating the opportunity for altruism as well as selfishness. Libertarian political philosophy is about giving individuals the choice, not encouraging selfish behavior. Most libertarians, in my personal experience, are quite generous with their own savings.

      Theft is childish. Fraud is childish. Throwing tantrums about not being able to tell others what to do is childish. Defense of basic human rights, including the rights to retain the product of owe's own endeavors, and to choose for oneself between selfishness and altruism, is far from childish.

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    2. Re:Don't steal our country, go make your own by spun · · Score: 1

      You aren't defending basic human rights. You are defending your idea of basic human rights. Not everyone agrees with you on what basic human rights are. For instance, I believe every person should have the right to access the means of their own support and livelihood. This conflicts with absolute property ownership. I believe that the right of anyone to have the means to support themselves trumps any idea of real property. People who believe in absolute property rights believe people have no right to use property that is not theirs, and thus can go starve if it comes to that.

      The thing is, there are very few places in the US that aren't being used at all. So, for argument, lets just consider owned property. Do I have the right to place conditions on the sale of my property? For instance, if you want to buy it, you have to pay this group of people called 'government' on a yearly basis. Is that a valid condition to a contract? How about a stipulation that you must accept certain decisions made by an elected official? How about a stipulation that only said elected official can change the stipulations, and that anyone you sell to must abide by them as well? Is it within my moral rights to make those stipulations? Those stipulations have been made on all property within the US. If you don't like it, you are free to purchase property elsewhere in the hopes that it won't come encumbered by such stipulations.

      What you think of as us forcing or coercing you, we think of as protecting our rights and upholding agreements we all bought into. If you don't want to abide by those agreements, you are free to look elsewhere. You seem to think that you can just unilaterally change the rules and agreements that come with the property you'd like to own. Maybe I'd like a free hooker with every whopper I purchase, but that is not going to happen, and I have no more right to force people to provide me with hookers than you do to force people to provide you with property unencumbered by previous agreements. Sorry.

      This is why I say, libertarians aren't about liberty at all. They are about their own personal freedom to do as they please, and everyone else can go to hell. Its a philosophy founded on selfishness, not freedom. You all want the rights and freedoms that go along with living in a civilized society, with none of the responsibility. You're nothing but a bunch of pirates and thieves.

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    3. Re:Don't steal our country, go make your own by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      You are free to leave our property if you don't like our rules, but you can't just demand that we change them because you don't like them.

      You're doing the exact same thing you're accusing us of doing. This, the United States of America, used to be the Land of the Free, but now it's the land of the Nanny state.

      Falcon
    4. Re:Don't steal our country, go make your own by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      I believe every person should have the right to access the means of their own support and livelihood. This conflicts with absolute property ownership.

      You do have the right, all you have to do is buy your own property. What you do not have the right to do is to force others to give you their property.

      Oh, is it that you want communism? Haven't you learned it doesn't work?

      This is why I say, libertarians aren't about liberty at all. They are about their own personal freedom to do as they please, and everyone else can go to hell.

      Boy are you dead wrong. Libertarians are about making sure everyone has liberty. Anyone should be able to do whatever they want so long as they don't harm anyone else. And if they do harm another then they get their day in court, where the accuser has to prove they caused harm.

      Falcon
  155. mod parent down "ignorant" by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We were attacked due to our interventionist foreign policy in the Middle East.

    Why was Spain attacked by middle eastern terrorists? Or the UK, for that matter?. Because Spain and the UK were involved in your interventionist foreign policy.

    Also, Spain has been at war with islam for nearly a millennium. Go crack open a history book and a newspaper or two, sheesh!
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  156. No one is forcing you to stay! by spun · · Score: 1

    I'll say it again, If you don't like it, get the hell off of our property. Go try out your insane ideas of governance with other people who agree with you. You don't have the right to force US Citizens to go along with you. This is our country, we make the rules collectively, and if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to stay. Go somewhere else to try your libertarian ideals. Maybe if the rest of us see how well they work, we'll agree to go along with you. So far, you libertarian types have not stepped up to the plate. You can't seem to make a go of it on your own, so you want to steal our country and our infrastructure for your little experiment.

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    1. Re:No one is forcing you to stay! by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      So far, you libertarian types have not stepped up to the plate. You can't seem to make a go of it on your own, so you want to steal our country and our infrastructure for your little experiment.

      Who's stealing, has stole, the country? Those who don't want things to change from how things are now or those who want it to be like it was when Thomas Jefferson was around? Those who can't make it on their own are the socialists, instead they want to sponge off others.

      Falcon
  157. Re:maybe slashdot should contact the candidates ag by King+Gabey · · Score: 1

    I think the candidates want as many votes as they can get. Maybe they feel can get better returns by spending their time on David Letterman, or on some other media outlet. However, I don't think that they look at slashdot and go "oh that's where the smart people are. It's not worth trying to sway them with my viewpoints" I think that whoever at those offices read the email and said "What's a /.? Damn hippies can't even use letters in their names!"

  158. Re: free market vs. Monopoly by evought · · Score: 1

    To some extent, I agree with you that a free market requires some regulation. Otherwise it is feudalism. However:

    Your MS example is fatally flawed in two ways:

    1) The regulation has not worked on the federal level either. We are at what? 15 years now and how much taxpayer money with *no change whatsoever*? One thing to realize with some of the state vs. federal or government vs. non argument is that where the less regulated option does not work in theory, the more regulated option fails repeatedly in practice. The *customers* are still giving them money. * I was in a discussion with folks recently who do certified organic farming. The guy from the USDA comes in, looks at their farm, checks their papers, and drives off. They could spray plutonium on their fields the moment his pickup leaves that driveway, and they would still be "certified organic." * SEC regulations did not stop Enron. Although some investors who bothered to do their own market analysis and arithmetic and smelled something rank avoided the mess, the others felt safe *because of* the SEC and got hooked. There are trade-offs to both sides, each case is different, and regulation can often bite in very perverse ways.

    2) As the previous poster pointed out, the office suite monopoly is enforced by government IP laws. In your state vs. MS example, and in the face of less restrictive IP law (protecting interoperability rights, for example), someone could just reverse engineer the thing legally, MS would not be able to bludgeon startups into non-existence, and a lot of other things. Making these laws sane would not eliminate the problems, but they might eliminate 90% of them, and then you could come up with a rational and targeted solution for 8%, and just suffer with the 2% that will never be solved no matter what.

    A counter-example where I would agree with you solidly is utility regulation. Everybody is all about "deregulating" utilities without thinking about why they were regulated in the first place: natural monopoly and the last mile problem. Basically, you can't have two competing power companies both running competing telephone poles into the same city and the same houses, and somebody has to maintain the lines if they are shared (a big expense and one the utility has some unique knowledge for handling). Additionally, you have the problem that utilities would waste resources competing over lucrative urban customers (more than one customer per pole) and ditch the rural customer (several dozen poles per customer). So, we granted regional utilities a monopoly on urban areas in exchange for a requirement that they service the last mile without prejudice. Now we have "municipal electric" coops taking over the urban areas and expect utilities to compete over rural customers? Are people on crack?

  159. A critical question answered on youTube by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'd be curious to know what Mr. Paul thinks is needed to be done in healthcare You'll be happy to hear him tell you for 4 minutes then.
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  161. credit where credit is due by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    Ron Paul doesn't care enough to think about these answers himself and lets his minions do the job Hey, he cared enough to get his minions in on it, none of the others bothered.

    I wish I had minions...
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  162. Re:electricity doesn't work that way by evought · · Score: 1

    If you live in New York, you can't mail order power from Arizona. There is no way to tell specific electrons where to go; they follow potentials. When demand shifts and the grid suddenly has to cross-ship power to balance itself out, transmission lines not meant to take that load can and do fry.

    You cannot just let everyone put power into the grid willy nilly, not unless you want it to be real dark half the time and the fire department to be real busy the other half. Power does not just have to be there, it has to be *clean*: right voltage and amperage, right polarization, and *in sync* with the rest of the grid. Spikes or brown outs, bad polarization or out of sync power can cause fried equipment, can cause fires, it can cause serious damage to the turbines of other generators. This is what happened in New York a bit ago where they lost power Upstate for a couple of *months* in some places. It started with one plant putting out badly polarized power. Another plant had to shut down to avoid damage to its turbines. This meant that power had to suddenly cross the grid in a way it wasn't supposed to and things fried. Because of "deregulation," nobody had a clue whose problem it was, how to find out what went wrong, or how to fix it.

    You can have people putting small amounts of power into the grid and this is especially helpful during peak load or if those small power sources can come online quickly when needed. (Coal plants put out a lot of power efficiently but take hours to warm up and come on line. Natural gas plants are wasteful but can be running from a cold start in 15 minutes). Somewhere, though, you have to have *baseline power*-- a source that is large enough to meet a chunk of the demand, is steady and stable, and has turbines with enough mass to absorb significant surges or spikes. The momentum of the turbines (and force of the magnetic field) actually helps to clean up the power. Hydro, nuclear, and coal are the best sources for baseline power in this respect, especially nuclear. Beyond that, there needs to be clear lines of responsibility for who is in charge of synchronizing power (making sure sine waves and polarity match up) and who decides when sources need to come on and off-line (and prepare other plants for the resulting effect on the grid).

    "De-regulation" in the face of these issues is nuts, not because of economics, but because of physics. The fact of natural monopolies (who owns the poles?) and the last mile problem (why compete for a rural customer?) makes it a potential economic problem as well.

  163. Gold standard != sound money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The gold standard would be the worst thing we could adopt. It's fine and good in theory, until you realize the US doesn't have any gold reserves anymore. They were all stolen. Fort Knox is pretty much empty.

    The gold standard would put us even more at whim of the international bankers than the privately-owned for-profit Federal Reserve bank.

    For more study on this subject, search Google video for "Money Masters" and "Money as Debt".

  164. Re:lolwut (http://www.signaturemachine.com/) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a link where somebody isn't getting paid for it. http://www.signaturemachine.com/products/demo_page.htm

  165. Spain in the Middle East by evought · · Score: 1

    "Who cares who Spain morally supported? Is holding an opinion justification for mass-murder now? The fact of the matter is that we have a heck of a lot more reasons to justify taking out their people than they do to take ours out. If they were to lay down their arms today and promise to stop attacking us then there is a really good chance this war would end. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for us laying down our arms."

    Morally supported? Opinion? They had *troops* on the Arabian peninsula. Does freedom of speech include shooting people now?

    That is also, incidentally, why Al Qaeda has not launched any attacks in the States recently. They said in one of their strategy documents in 2004 that attacking us at home was not their best strategy, Instead, they were going to attack countries that were part of our coalition (with troops in the region) to get them to pull out so that we had to bear the cost ourselves. They thought that once we realized how much running an empire was costing, *we'd stop doing it*. They were right on Spain: they attacked and Spain withdrew. Most of our other allies have scaled back support and the wars are costing us a fortune. They were wrong on the effect: we aren't smart enough to balance our checkbook.

    Murdering civilians for no good reason is wrong. We should probably think about that too. We should probably have thought about that before we turned Afghanistan into a bloodbath (in the '80s) and armed bin Ladin. You might remember we turned the whole region into a battleground in WWII as well. Unfortunately, they don't separate us very well from the Russians and the Germans either, so the distrust of us "Westerners" goes rather deep, just in the modern age.

    The problem with blaming the victim at this point is figuring out who it is.

    1. Re:Spain in the Middle East by cowwoc2001 · · Score: 1

      Murdering civilians for no good reason is wrong. We should probably think about that too. We should probably have thought about that before we turned Afghanistan into a bloodbath (in the '80s) and armed bin Ladin. You might remember we turned the whole region into a battleground in WWII as well. Unfortunately, they don't separate us very well from the Russians and the Germans either, so the distrust of us "Westerners" goes rather deep, just in the modern age.

      The problem with blaming the victim at this point is figuring out who it is. I'm calling bullshit. You don't hear Islamists complaining about the 1980s, they're complaining about today. We didn't turn Afghanistan into a bloodbath in 2001, everyone including the UN attests to the fact that the Taliban were pillaging and raping the people and the land. The security situation might suck there now that it's better to have that and hope for a better future than being raped on a daily basis without hope at all. The Afghanistan mission is backed by both the UN and NATO.

      Furthermore, the US is a Democracy with a rotating leadership. It makes as much sense to refer to a 30-year old President as it does treating today's Germany like Hitler's Nazi Germany. Different leaders, different attitudes, different countries.

      Bottom line is that the West does its best to kill terrorists with minimal collateral cost but it's not easy and *everyone* makes mistakes sometimes, including Britain, Spain, Lebanon, Egypt, etc. I find it peculiar that a few months ago Lebanon bombed the crap out of their local Palestinian refugee camp, killing hundreds of civilians in the process and not a single person condemned them. Not in the media. Not in the UN. I would go further and say that the media only published the official government version and the UN actually passed a resolution expressing full support of their actions. So apparently it's okay for Muslims to massacre their own civilians on purpose but when someone in the West does it by accident while trying to target terrorists that hide in civilian structures, well suddenly we're evil or something. Give me a break!

      The only difference is that people know that they can criticize the West without having their skull smashed open, while the same is not true in Egypt or Lebanon. People are chicken shits that way. For every one thing the West does wrong you could find one hundred things countries in the middle-east do wrong yet you will only see protests against the West. Their action shows that they don't really care about Human Rights.
    2. Re:Spain in the Middle East by evought · · Score: 1

      I'm calling bullshit. You don't hear Islamists complaining about the 1980s, they're complaining about today. We didn't turn Afghanistan into a bloodbath in 2001, everyone including the UN attests to the fact that the Taliban were pillaging and raping the people and the land. The security situation might suck there now that it's better to have that and hope for a better future than being raped on a daily basis without hope at all. The Afghanistan mission is backed by both the UN and NATO.

      All right. You tell me where the Taliban came from. You are totally right that it was *already* a bloodbath before 2001. We put them in power. We pulled out of Afghanistan and left their country in a tailspin it *never* came out of. It was *our* weapons they were shooting at us (mostly). How is that not relevant? Does it "justify" them raping and murdering in their own country? Absolutely not. Is it relevant? Hell yes.

      Furthermore, the US is a Democracy with a rotating leadership. It makes as much sense to refer to a 30-year old President as it does treating today's Germany like Hitler's Nazi Germany. Different leaders, different attitudes, different countries.

      It's a leadership which, supposedly, we elect. We are all part of the problem. We should be part of a solution. We have had an ongoing attitude of heavy-handed intervention which, if anything, has been getting worse. Besides, from their point of view they should what? Drop all of their grievances and forgive us because we had an election? Would we do that for them? I wouldn't.

      Bottom line is that the West does its best to kill terrorists with minimal collateral cost but it's not easy and *everyone* makes mistakes sometimes, including Britain, Spain, Lebanon, Egypt, etc. I find it peculiar that a few months ago Lebanon bombed the crap out of their local Palestinian refugee camp, killing hundreds of civilians in the process and not a single person condemned them. Not in the media. Not in the UN. I would go further and say that the media only published the official government version and the UN actually passed a resolution expressing full support of their actions. So apparently it's okay for Muslims to massacre their own civilians on purpose but when someone in the West does it by accident while trying to target terrorists that hide in civilian structures, well suddenly we're evil or something. Give me a break!

      I certainly have a problem with Lebanon's actions. I don't think that has any bearing on ours.

      The problem is not with collateral damage in our quest to kill terrorists per se, though I think we do idiotic things on that score as well. That ranges from happenstance to stupidity; war is hard; mistakes do happen. The problem is what we are doing which has little or nothing to do with terrorism and a lot more to do with imperialism, putting ourselves in places we shouldn't be in in the first place and then saying "oops" when we kill civilians. That's not collateral damage. That's not accident. It's not even stupidity. It is much worse, and dropping a 500lb bomb on a wedding party and saying "Oh Man!" doesn't seem much different than blowing up a marketplace even if one of the attackers is wearing a uniform and flying an expensive jet. In some totally fscked way, the guy in the market has the high ground since at least he is willing to give his own life for his cause. The fact that we have fallen so far as to fail that comparison is shockingly sad. In some cases (*not all*) our warfare has turned into video games with no connection to people bleeding and dying. The guy living there does not have that luxury and it's not that entertaining to him.

      The only difference is that people know that they can criticize the West without having their skull smashed open, while the same is not true in Egypt or Lebanon. People are chicken shits that way. For every one thing the West does wrong you could find one hundred things countries in the middle-east do wrong yet you will

    3. Re:Spain in the Middle East by cowwoc2001 · · Score: 1

      I'm calling bullshit. You don't hear Islamists complaining about the 1980s, they're complaining about today. We didn't turn Afghanistan into a bloodbath in 2001, everyone including the UN attests to the fact that the Taliban were pillaging and raping the people and the land. The security situation might suck there now that it's better to have that and hope for a better future than being raped on a daily basis without hope at all. The Afghanistan mission is backed by both the UN and NATO.

      All right. You tell me where the Taliban came from. You are totally right that it was *already* a bloodbath before 2001. We put them in power. We pulled out of Afghanistan and left their country in a tailspin it *never* came out of. It was *our* weapons they were shooting at us (mostly). How is that not relevant? Does it "justify" them raping and murdering in their own country? Absolutely not. Is it relevant? Hell yes.

      It's been over 20 years and multiple presidents have cycled through. The Taliban is allies with our enemies so that gives people even less of a right to say we are somehow responsible for this. One of our allies messed up the country 20 years after we cut off connections with them. That's hardly directly our fault. If anything we went in to clean up the problem and that should reflect positively on us.

      Furthermore, the US is a Democracy with a rotating leadership. It makes as much sense to refer to a 30-year old President as it does treating today's Germany like Hitler's Nazi Germany. Different leaders, different attitudes, different countries.

      It's a leadership which, supposedly, we elect. We are all part of the problem. We should be part of a solution. We have had an ongoing attitude of heavy-handed intervention which, if anything, has been getting worse. Besides, from their point of view they should what? Drop all of their grievances and forgive us because we had an election? Would we do that for them? I wouldn't.

      There is nothing wrong with intervention so long as it works. Iraq was poorly implemented and was presented under the glare of a super-critical media from day one. And yes, I would expect people to hold Democracies less accountable for the actions of past Presidents then current ones. I didn't say they hold absolutely no responsibility, but definitely less.

      I certainly have a problem with Lebanon's actions. I don't think that has any bearing on ours.

      The problem is not with collateral damage in our quest to kill terrorists per se, though I think we do idiotic things on that score as well. That ranges from happenstance to stupidity; war is hard; mistakes do happen. The problem is what we are doing which has little or nothing to do with terrorism and a lot more to do with imperialism, putting ourselves in places we shouldn't be in in the first place and then saying "oops" when we kill civilians. That's not collateral damage. That's not accident. It's not even stupidity. It is much worse, and dropping a 500lb bomb on a wedding party and saying "Oh Man!" doesn't seem much different than blowing up a marketplace even if one of the attackers is wearing a uniform and flying an expensive jet. In some totally fscked way, the guy in the market has the high ground since at least he is willing to give his own life for his cause. The fact that we have fallen so far as to fail that comparison is shockingly sad. In some cases (*not all*) our warfare has turned into video games with no connection to people bleeding and dying. The guy living there does not have that luxury and it's not that entertaining to him.

      You're drawing moral equivalence between someone who knowingly walks into a wedding party to blow up the crowd (Palestinians have done this in Israel) to a US pilot mistakenly bombing a wedding party based on incorrect intelligence report provided by a local civilian. Horrible mistakes do happen but you can't begin to compare the two.

  166. Two Things by Gigahurt · · Score: 1

    Were these questions answered today or in the past few days? If so, I understand the answers not be up to par. Super Tuesday is a pretty big deal. Also, to all the Ron Paul haters: Where are your candidate's answers?

  167. Enjoying your egyptian river cruise? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    almost none of them drink enough to get drunk. "I'm not drunk, I'm just buzzed!"
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  168. Re:co(n)flicting answers by westlake · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That is why libertarians exist; and also why they lose.
    The vast majority thinks the government exists to be their mommy, and their political parties have turned this cowardly and un-american outlook into the primary legislative theme of almost every representative.

    The majority thinks that a representative government exists to serve their interests and values. That is a decision any organized community is entitled to make. Whether the money goes to erect a traffic light on main street, pay for the health inspector at the local meat packing plant, or or help provide a minimum income for the disabled is simply a matter of choice.

  169. That was insightful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was the finest summary of the Middle-East conflagration I've seen. That's a 5-insightful if I've ever seen it. Well done! Of course the peace-at-all-cost crowd here will mod it flamebait, troll, etc. because, well, that's what they do. Rather than challenge ideas, they attempt to silence the speaker.
    Like they saying goes: if you're catching flack, it means you're over the target.

  170. Re:co(n)flicting answers by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The majority thinks that a representative government exists to serve their interests and values.

    The federal government exists to serve the specific goals enumerated in the constitution. The president swears to "preserve, protect and defend" the constitution; congressmen and all executive and judicial officials swear to "support and defend" the constitution. This is the constituting authority for the federal government. If the government is to expand its authority beyond those things specifically laid out in the constitution, then it must amend the constitution. All power taken outside that which is specified in the constitution is taken illegitimately, and certainly all power taken that is specifically forbidden — for instance, the power to make ex post facto laws — is illegitimate. When power is taken without authority, that power is of no different character than that which is exercised by a dictator or a monarch. The constitution allows for change, because it was well understood that the document could persist as the basis of government into times when situations demanded revision; this process is called amendment, and generally speaking, it is being roundly ignored in favor of outright power grabs.

    The majority could not quote you the constitution chapter and verse if you stopped them on the street. They couldn't even enumerate the amendments. Why don't you try asking ten random people? They have no idea why the federal government actually exists. Then ask them if they think the feds should be protecting them from child molesters, raiding people's houses in California for using Marijuana, and controlling who has guns. Guess what answers you're going to get. They'll be "mommy" answers.

    That is a decision any organized community is entitled to make.

    The decision on how the federal government is to serve their interests and values has already been made. If they want to change it, they need to instantiate the amendment process. In the meantime, those powers descend to the states and the people. It specifically says so — can you guess where?

    Whether the money goes to erect a traffic light on main street, pay for the health inspector at the local meat packing plant, or or help provide a minimum income for the disabled is simply a matter of choice.

    Yes indeed. The choice of the state government, and the people, not the federal government.

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  171. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Xyrus · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are full of shit. Period.

    Nothing in his congressional record, personal life, nor his medical practice leads one iota of credence to the newsletters. In fact, it's just the opposite.

    Would the president of the NAACP back someone like you just described? Of course not. Would someone that you just described deliver babies for free to African American and Hispanic families that were too poor to afford it? No.

    He was running a full time medical practice and left the newsletters in care of people he thought he could trust. That was a mistake, as there were those who had a different agenda. At least he admitted he had been careless, unlike MOST of our elected officials (Iraq War).

    His actions speak a lot louder than the words written by some assholes who had a vendetta. Here's a challenge for you. I want you to find one, just one instance where an action in his personal, medical, or political life shows paranoid racism. You won't find one.

    He's not a libertarian. He's a constitutionalist. There is a difference.

    ~X~

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  172. Re:co(n)flicting answers by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most people do not want to have the gov't be their mommy

    Oh, but they do. Ask people if they think the feds should be raiding people's homes in California for using Marijuana. Ask them if they think the feds should be controlling who has access to guns. Ask them if they think the feds should be making laws about sexuality. Ask them if they think the feds should be concerning themselves with burning flags. Ask them if the feds should be making national databases of criminals. Ask them if the FBI and the DEA are legitimately constituted agencies. Go ahead, ask. If you just ask these questions and don't set them up as clear violations of constitutional authority, people will generally just nod. I've asked, I continue to ask; it is my way of agitating. Then I explain that there is no authority given to the feds for these things and that the state and local governments can be given that authority if the people so choose, that's the constitutional design, and this makes sense to them (of course — it was designed to make sense by people who were quite bright and very intent on trying to get it right.) When I do my asking, the answers are generally the same, most people, and by that I mean almost everyone I ask, think this is all ok, and furthermore, they are unable to tell me what the constitution says. Without that knowledge, it isn't hugely surprising that they don't understand the basis for the feds being out of hand, but nonetheless, that is the case.

    Greed is good, right Mr. Libertarian?

    No. Greed is ultimately destructive. The urge to grow, develop and expand knowledge, technology, medical care and creature comforts, however, is highly positive. Greed is what drives the federal government today. They are the penultimate example of people involved in a power grab.

    Problem is, if we don't work together sometimes things just don't work.

    Problem is, the federal government isn't doing the job it was constituted to do, and it has used force to steal the power to work together within the states, from the states, thereby making the people unable to work together in favor of their own interests. You act like I'm an advocate of chaos or lack of control; I most assuredly am not. However, if the government does not obey the law, then what controls it? Nothing — and that is both the problem in an anticipatory sense, and in the contemporaneous sense. Today, we have a government making war on a people who did not attack us. It is making ex post facto laws. It has turned the commerce clause on its very head. It has usurped powers that belong to the states and the people. It has grievously violated every one of the bill of rights (amendments one through ten) with the single exception of amendment three. The president is acting as if he is literally above the law, when the constitution specifically says otherwise. It has suspended habeas corpus outside of a time of war. It has made treaties and then not honored them. It has taken money and property from its citizens without trial. In short, the federal government is completely out of control. Any impression that anyone has that it isn't out of control is the result of propaganda. And as for your remark, sir, the implication that we have to let the fed abuse us in order to work together is both disingenuous and without any basis in reality.

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  173. Re:coflicting answers (aid to china) by mark3748 · · Score: 1

    We fund China by borrowing trillions of dollars from them to fund our wars. That money is borrowed with interest, we are paying them billions just so we can fight an unconstitutional and unjustified war.

  174. Re:co(n)flicting answers by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

    Because he says that the system is so far gone, he may as well "get his". I think that if you ask around, most people will say they just "want theirs".
    Ah, the goold old tragedy of the commons. Too bad no one's figured out a workable solution on the large scale yet that doesn't involve massive government regulation and penalties for abusing the commons.
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  175. Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    While Ron Paul is pro-life he would let each state decide for themselves to allow abortion or make it illegal. To him it's all a matter of states' rights.

    His stance on abortion is one I disagree with but for now I generally support Ron Paul. I am both pro-life and pro-choice.

    Falcon
    1. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1
      While Ron Paul is pro-life he would let each state decide for themselves to allow abortion or make it illegal. To him it's all a matter of states' rights.

      No, it is not. Ron Paul is a federalist (states rights) but he is pro-life independent of that. Some people oppose Roe v. Wade only because it violated states rights. Paul opposes it for that reason and because he considers abortion to be "the greatest moral issue of our time".

      I know a lot of Libertarians are all gung-ho about being pro-choice because, superficially, it sounds like less government intrusion. But a strong pro-life stance is perfetly compatible with maximal liberty. The fundamental issue of abortion is whether or not all human beings deserve equal human rights. If you think they do: then maximal liberty comes from banning elective abortions, not from allowing it.

      This is Ron Paul's stance. He's pro-life, not just pro-state's rights. Get over it people.

      Given these dilemmas, what should those of us in the pro-life community do? First, we must return to constitutional principles and proclaim them proudly. We must take a principled approach that recognizes both moral and political principles, and accepts the close relationship between them. Legislatively, we should focus our efforts on building support to overturn Roe v. Wade. Ideally this would be done in a fashion that allows states to again ban or regulate abortion. State legislatures have always had proper jurisdiction over issues like abortion and cloning; the pro-life movement should recognize that jurisdiction and not encroach upon it. The alternative is an outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment that does no violence to our way of government. http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul100.html

      His stance on abortion is one I disagree with but for now I generally support Ron Paul. I am both pro-life and pro-choice.

      Word games aside, this is an impossible proposition. Pro-choice means "abortions should be legal on demand". This is the de facto rule of law in the US and, in fact, 90-95% of the 1M+ abortions performed every year are elective. That iS: there is no signficant or unusual health risk, no fetal abnormality, no rape, etc. The pro-choice stance requires stripping some human beings of the fundamental right to life. The pro-life stance (which can include exceptions for rape/incest, life/serious health, etc.) rests upon the proposition that all human beings have an equal right to life.

      The stances of the pro-choice and pro-life sides with respect to human rights are mutually exclusive. "I wouldn't get an abortion, but I can't legislate it", or "I think it's morally wrong but I can't impose my morality on you" are not pro-life positions. They are pro-choice and pro-choice only because they rule out the right to life of certain kinds of human beings. That is not pro-life. Merely finding abortion morally problematic or icky is insufficient for being pro-life.
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    2. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Some people oppose Roe v. Wade only because it violated states rights. Paul opposes it for that reason and because he considers abortion to be "the greatest moral issue of our time".

      As I said abortion is one of the issues I disagree with, for two reasons. One is I believe in choice and the second is I believe it should be national not state based. However I support him because I have more disagreements with other candidates than I do with him. I'll support him until I know who the Libertarian candidate is, then depending on that candidate's positions on the issues I may support him or her. I support and or vote for the person not the party. I've voted for Democrats, independents, Libertarians, Reform party candidates, and Republicans. Actually I support open primaries not closed ones, I want to be able to vote for the person I think is the best in each party.

      I know a lot of Libertarians are all gung-ho about being pro-choice because, superficially, it sounds like less government intrusion.

      True but other Libertarians are pro-life. This is one issue in the LP, Libertarian Party, where there's a split. For instance here's some discussions by both pro-choice and pro-life supporters. The LP website is filled with them.

      Word games aside, this is an impossible proposition. Pro-choice means "abortions should be legal on demand".

      It isn't an impossible proposition. Like I said I'm against abortion personally except to save the live of the woman or maybe rape, I'd never pay for one and don't want government to pay either, but I also believe I don't have the right to tell anyone else they can't have one. Instead I'd prefer to see the need, perceived or necessary, for abortions reduced. For instance I support increasing sex ed and condom use, not just "just say no".

      The pro-choice stance requires stripping some human beings of the fundamental right to life.

      That's a bias, some don't believe a fetus is a human being until it's viable on it's own. Before then it's a parasite.

      The pro-life stance (which can include exceptions for rape/incest, life/serious health, etc.) rests upon the proposition that all human beings have an equal right to life.

      Something I ask pro-lifers is if they would allow an abortion if the expectant mother's life is in jeopardy. Many though not all are against any exception, so I point out they in fact are not pro-life because they'd rather let the mother die, and possibly the fetus as well, than let her have an abortion. In the same vein I may also ask if they are anti or pro capital punishment. And usually they are pro capital punishment. I call these people hypocrites.

      The stances of the pro-choice and pro-life sides with respect to human rights are mutually exclusive. "I wouldn't get an abortion, but I can't legislate it", or "I think it's morally wrong but I can't impose my morality on you" are not pro-life positions. They are pro-choice and pro-choice only because they rule out the right to life of certain kinds of human beings. That is not pro-life. Merely finding abortion morally problematic or icky is insufficient for being pro-life.

      So says you, others say differently.

      Falcon
    3. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      That's a bias, some don't believe a fetus is a human being until it's viable on it's own. Before then it's a parasite.

      A fetus (and I'm aware that I'm using a technical term loosly) is a human being from the moment of conception. It's not a moral or relgious view. It has nothing to do with philosophy or theology. It's science. An embryo is a representative of the species. It is a human being. Whether or not it is a person is debatable, but I believe in human rights, not person rights.

      "It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive...It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception." - Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School

      "I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception." - Dr. Alfred M. Bongioanni Professor of Pediatrics and Obstetrics, University of Pennsylvania

      "After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. [It] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion...it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception." - Dr. Jerome LeJeune Professor of Genetics, University of Descartes

      "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." - Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic

      "The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter - the beginning is conception." - Dr. Watson A. Boews University of Colorado Medical School

      This led the Senate (these quotes come from a hearing of the judiciary subcommittee in 1981) to conclude:

      "Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being - a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings."

      So yes, I'm aware that some people argue that a fetus is a parasite until viability. The fact that bad argumens exist doesn't really bother me much. They always have, and always will. But the science could not be more clear.

      Something I ask pro-lifers is if they would allow an abortion if the expectant mother's life is in jeopardy. Many though not all are against any exception, so I point out they in fact are not pro-life because they'd rather let the mother die, and possibly the fetus as well, than let her have an abortion. In the same vein I may also ask if they are anti or pro capital punishment. And usually they are pro capital punishment. I call these people hypocrites.

      Re: life of the mother. If the fetus is a human being (and it is) then killing it is homicide. Under what circumstances is homicide justifiable? The #1 is self-defense. So if one human being is facing either death or serious imminent bodily injury from another human being, they have the righ to kill to protect themselves. There is nothing inconsistent about being pro-life (fetus gets human rights) and making an exception for the life of the mother and for serious threats to the mother's health. The case for rape is a bit more complex, so I won't go through it here, but I will just state that there's nothing inconsistent with the basic premise of the pro-life movement (treat all human beings with an equal right to life) and allowing abortion in cases of rape/incest and life/serious health.

      As for the death penalty argument: I've seen that time and time again and I will never understand. From the Due Process clause of the US Constitution: No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ....

      Now if the term person is Constitutionally defined to equal "all living human beings" (as I believe it should be and was originally intended to be) then clearly elective abortion is against the Constitution and capital punishment is not. T

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    4. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      There is nothing inconsistent about being pro-life (fetus gets human rights) and making an exception for the life of the mother and for serious threats to the mother's health.

      Ah but many don't accept an exemption for a mother's life as I stated before. The inconsistence is when there is no exception.

      There's no hypocrisy at all to say "you can't allow innocent human beings to be killed at the discretion of other human beings" and then say "but you can allow convicted criminals to be killed after due process"

      Some of those who were convicted were in fact innocent of the crime they were convicted of. Look at Illinois and Texas. A number of people on death row in both states have been cleared of committing the crime. The Illinois governor halted all executions until all death row cases could be examined. At least as long as a person's alive they can be cleared but once they're dead it's too late for them. Just as Thomas Jefferson believed I believe it's better to free 10 guilty than it is to falsely convict one innocent.

      What people say is irrelevant. This isn't a popularity contest.

      You're right it's not a popularity contest. Those who believe in choice don't go around saying everyone has to have an abortion but so called pro-lifers demand everyone else follow their rules. As if they don't have enough faith in their message so they have to mandate it.

      Falcon
    5. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      Ah but many don't accept an exemption for a mother's life as I stated before. The inconsistence is when there is no exception.

      I agree. But that's a tiny proportion of the pro-life movement. In fact, I've never met anyone who actually maintains this position when pressed. Some will come out and say "no abortions, no exceptions", but without fail if I ask them "you mean even for a mother's life", they say "OK, well for that we can make an exception".

      I'm not trying to convince you that no pro-lifers want no abortions at all with no exceptions, but the numbers are very miniscule.

      Some of those who were convicted were in fact innocent of the crime they were convicted of.

      That doesn't change the fact that an execution of a criminal is the killing of someone who is thought to be a criminal deserving of such penalty. If you want to make the case that because some innocent people will accidentally be killed, it's not worth it, you can make that case. But that's accidentally kililng innocent people. There's nothing accidental about abortion. That's deliberately killing human beings we know to be innocent.

      Surely you can see the difference.

      Those who believe in choice don't go around saying everyone has to have an abortion but so called pro-lifers demand everyone else follow their rules. As if they don't have enough faith in their message so they have to mandate it

      The contention that pro-lifers are being coercive in some way that is systemically bad or different from other law is ludicrous. This is without doubt the worst pro-choice argument that can be mustered. If the pro-lifers are right and the unborn human being deserves a right to life then no amount of "choice" is sufficient to justify electively killing it. The hackneyed responses all apply: should abolitionists have shut up because they have no right to "demand everyone else follow their rules".

      The entire concept of "keep your nose out of my busines" fails miserably to apply when that business involves depriving other human beings of their rights. "Don't like abortions? Don't have one" is as sensical as "Don't like slavery? Don't own one."

      Your argument essentially begs the fundamental question by assuming that there is no 3rd party. There are pro-choicers and pro-lifers and that's it. Sure, if you completely rule out any consideration of the unborn, the pro-lifers have no business legislating their morality. But if you've ruled out the 3rd party (the unborn human beings) you've already embraced the cental tenet of the pro-choice side: that the unborn human being has no right to life.

      You can't apply the old "keep your nose out of my business" Libertarian thread without implicitly accepting the pro-choice position a priori.

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    6. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      I've never met anyone who actually maintains this position when pressed. Some will come out and say "no abortions, no exceptions"

      My experiences are different in that almost every pro-lifer I've talked didn't want any exceptions. Then again that's a small number or people, most of those that I knew their position on abortion were pro-choice. And that I know of personally I only know one person who did have an abortion, which was a sad case. My best friend's girlfriend at the tyme got pregnant and they were looking forward to having a baby. All 3 of us hanged out together almost all the tyme and we all smoked. To make it easier for her to quit smoking we all quit together. After a couple of weeks or so though her doctor told her that more than likely the baby would be born with defects and may not survive. When she originally went in and had a test it came back negative so the doc ordered other tests, including Xrays. Then a pregnancy test came back positive. The doc warned her that the Xrays probably caused damage to the fetus. So for some days there was some agonizing thinking about whether to have the baby or to have an abortion, finally she decided to have an abortion.

      That doesn't change the fact that an execution of a criminal is the killing of someone

      Ah, if they were innocent then they weren't a criminal.

      The contention that pro-lifers are being coercive in some way that is systemically bad or different from other law is ludicrous.

      But they are being coercive and are forcing those who disagree with them to live the way they want them to live. It's one thing to try to convince people to live a life of a certain faith but it's ludicrous to force them to do so, which is what some laws are all about.

      The hackneyed responses all apply: should abolitionists have shut up because they have no right to "demand everyone else follow their rules".

      Yea, it's a hackneyed argument pro-lifers bring up. Whereas slaves were capable of self sufficiency most fetuses aren't. What they are are parasites.

      if you've ruled out the 3rd party (the unborn human beings) you've already embraced the cental tenet of the pro-choice side: that the unborn human being has no right to life.

      No I haven't. Notice before I said I was pro-life, however I will not force my personal beliefs on someone else.

      Falcon

      Oh, when I said fetuses were parasites, those aren't my words. A female friend once argued that and it's stuck to me.
    7. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      My experiences are different in that almost every pro-lifer I've talked didn't want any exceptions. Then again that's a small number or people, most of those that I knew their position on abortion were pro-choice.

      All I can say is that I've been involved in the pro-life movement for many, many years. I've volunteered for the VSHL (Virginia Society of Human Life, VA affiliate of the NRLC) attended NRLC conventions, etc. I co-admin an online pro-life group with 40,000 members. And the "no abortions, no exceptions" crowd is a distinct minority.

      That doesn't change the fact that an execution of a criminal is the killing of someone - theStorminMormon

      Ah, if they were innocent then they weren't a criminal. - Falconwolf

      Please, Falconwolf, can you respond to my question? I asked if you could see the difference between killing an innocent person accidentally, when every reasonable precaution has been taken to ensure they are not innocent and killing a person who is known to be innocent? If an innocent person is killed by capital punishment it is a mistake, not intentional, and it takes place in spite of safe guards. In an elective abortion the victim is a *known* to be innocent beyond any shadow of a doubt.

      Do you see the difference between killing someone who is thought to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and kiling someone who is known to be innocent beyond a reasonable doubt?

      Yea, it's a hackneyed argument pro-lifers bring up. Whereas slaves were capable of self sufficiency most fetuses aren't. What they are are parasites.

      This proves my point, Falconwolf. While you claim to be pro-choice and pro-life your actual point of view is pro-choice and *not* pro-life. You do not believe that all human beings have an equal right to life. You believe that a human being who is not self-sufficient has less of a right to life. I'm willing to put pretty good money on the fact that you think this applies to a fetus but probably doesn't apply to a dialysis patient. Which means it's not actually lack of self-sufficiency, but specifically dependence on another human being. (Stop me if I got that wrong. Maybe you think 'aborting' dialysis patients is OK too since they aren't self-sufficient.)

      In which case it's pretty clear that you, like many pro-choicers, are conflating the issue of what rights the unborn human being deserves with the issue of what the cost to the mother is of giving thsoe rights to the unborn human being. In self-defense cases you don't say that "the person was threatening me and therefore had no right to life". Someone who is trying to murder you still has a right to life, but your right to self-defense supersedes their right to live.

      But in the abortion case, people get confused and think that the cost to the mother (in terms of the costs, physical, emotional, and financial of being pregnant) somehow impact the right of the unborn human being to life.

      I have never seen someone successfully explain this to me. If you'd like to explain why relying on another human being for support in any way impacts your right to life, please have at it. But it's going to take more than simply labelling the unborn human being a "parasite".

      No I haven't. Notice before I said I was pro-life, however I will not force my personal beliefs on someone else.

      And you are not pro-life. You're trying to have it both ways. You're tying to say you just don't want to "force my personal beliefs on someone else". It's great rhetoric, but awful logic. The actual foundation of your belief on abortion is that you think not all human beings deserve human rights. Specifically, you think non self-sufficient human beings have no right to life (although I doubt you actually think that consistently - see the dialysis patient example). This has nothing to do with personal beliefs. This has to do with the civil rights of the unborn. Specifically: you don't think they have any.

      Someone who thinks that unborn human beings have no right to life is not pro-life. Period.

      Oh, when I said fetuses were parasites, those aren't my words. A female friend once argued that and it's stuck to me.

      It's the victory or rhetoric over reason.

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    8. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Please, Falconwolf, can you respond to my question? I asked if you could see the difference between killing an innocent person accidentally

      You didn't ask a question, not about "killing an innocent person accidentally". Here's what you say about it: "If you want to make the case that because some innocent people will accidentally be killed, it's not worth it, you can make that case. But that's accidentally kililng innocent people." There is no question there.

      Do you see the difference between killing someone who is thought to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and kiling someone who is known to be innocent beyond a reasonable doubt?

      Apparently you keep missing the fact that not everyone has your beliefs. A fetus isn't "somebody" to everyone.

      We're just going around and around in circles, so I'm ending this discussion.

      Falcon
    9. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by theStorminMormon · · Score: 1

      Apparently you keep missing the fact that not everyone has your beliefs. A fetus isn't "somebody" to everyone.

      Yeah, and Jews weren't "somebody" to everyone, and blacks weren't "somebody" to everyone, and Mormons weren't "somebody" to everyone, and women weren't "somebody" to everyone, etc. It is a matter of scientific fact that an unborn human being is a living human being. If you can explain your rationale for stripping them of human rights, I'm willing to hear it.

      We're just going around and around in circles, so I'm ending this discussion.

      Perhaps this stems from your unwillingness to defend your points. You claim that an unborn human being has no right to life because they are not self-sufficient. Strictly speaking, an infant is not self-sufficient either. Can infants be electively killed? Dialysis patients are most certainly not biologically self-sufficient. Can dialysis patients be electively killed? Do you have some explanation for this position?

      In addition, you continue to maintain that you are pro-choice and pro-life without addressing my criticisms of this position. You believe that unborn human beings do not have a right to life. This is not a pro-life position. Despite your claims that your position is rooted in a desire not to dictate your morality onto others, the actual logic of your position has nothing to do with that. It is rooted firmly on the principle that if you are not born you do not have a right to life.

      There's no reason that this argument must necessarily be circular. Feel free to respond to either of these positions and the discussion can continue. But you are right that as long as you claim your reason for being pro-choice is one thing despite the fact that the actual logic is an entirely different thing the argument will go round-and-round.

      You didn't ask a question, not about "killing an innocent person accidentally".

      Don't you think that's nitpicking? Consider me asking the question now: do you see the difference between killing a person after a long process to ensure they are guilty (although the process is not perfect) and killing a person that is known, beyond any possibility of doubt, to be innocent? If a convicted felon is innocent, the fact is that their execution is an example of a failure in a system that is designed to prevent this from happening. So it's not a failure of the *principle* of the death penalty, but the *practice* of the death penalty.

      Abortion, on the other hand, invariably and without doubt kills innocent human beings and is therefore killing innocent human beings in principle and not just now and again on accident.

      You can still make the case that the death penalty is not worth the cost of innocent lives. Or you can make the case that we should not kill guilty people either. But I don't think it's possible to make the case that the death penalty is equivalent to abortion. But, I would actually like to hear your answer to the question: can you see the difference between killing someone who has been tried and found guilty and killing someone who is by definition innocent?

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    10. Re:Ron Paul is extremely pro-life. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "Abortion, on the other hand, invariably and without doubt kills innocent human beings"

      It is a popular Christian doctrine that all have sinned.

      Thus along with other popular doctrines _if_ fetuses/unborn babies are human beings, then they're not innocent, and if they don't become followers of Jesus somehow, they are likely to end up in hell.

      Therefore if you are a Christian it's probably best not to perform or have an abortion - since
      1) I don't think you can be sure what will happen to the fetus/unborn baby after that.
      2) It's not as likely to glorify God (last but not least).

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  176. #1 is horrible shorthand for: by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Playing cop and peacemaker and bully across different parts of the world is expensive and contrary to our national interests. If you reverse course on those policies, you allow of lower taxes by cutting the actual need for the money. That in turn allows the country to focus on 'true national interests' which includes private research of all sorts.

    Hey, didn't you know logic and reason aren't allowed?

    Falcon
  177. national deficit by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    to the best of my understanding there it is a stretch to say that there is a direct correlation between paying less taxes and creating more national debt.

    When your income goes down either you cut spending or you go into debt. Not only has the US federal government cut income, taxes, but it has also ballooned spending. When Bush was sworn into office in 2001 there was a budget surplus of, if I recall right, $300B. Now under Bush the USA has the highest budget deficit it has ever had.

    What's so hard to understand about that?

    Paying more taxes does not make the economy healthier.

    Agreed. However when taxes are cut spending needs to be cut as well. We can start by getting rid of waste. Paying more than a half billion dollars ( $740B so far for the world's largest embassy) for a new embassy in Baghdad? That's absolutely ridiculous. With that kind of money you could hand every Iraqi $10,000 and still leave pocket change. How many Iraqis would then hate the US?

    Falcon
    1. Re:national deficit by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      to the best of my understanding there it is a stretch to say that there is a direct correlation between paying less taxes and creating more national debt.

      When your income goes down either you cut spending or you go into debt. Not only has the US federal government cut income, taxes, but it has also ballooned spending. When Bush was sworn into office in 2001 there was a budget surplus of, if I recall right, $300B. Now under Bush the USA has the highest budget deficit it has ever had.

      Reducing the income tax RATE is not the same as reducing income from the income tax. I haven't bothered to check the numbers recently, but as I recall from the '80s, the Reagan Tax Cuts were accompanied by enormous increases in tax revenues.

      The Laffer Curve implies that there is some ideal tax rate which maximizes revenue. Unfortunately for both sides in the tax debate, noone is sure just exactly what that ideal tax rate is. Only way to find out is to adjust the tax rates, then leave them alone for a while and check REVENUE, not DEFICIT. Deficit can go up or down in ways unrelated to tax revenues (i.e. if you doulbe tax revenue, but triple spending, deficit will increase, in spite of the fact that revenue increased). Alas, all we're really sure of is that the income tax rates pre-Reagan were too high (revenue clearly climbed during his presidency), and that the income tax rates pre-Wilson were too low (revenue was essentially zero, of course, since income tax was illegal before the 16th Amendment).

      Note, by the way, that Reagan's tax cuts finally eliminated the last vestiges of the WW2 tax rates. Kennedy also reduced those same tax rates, of course, but reduction from 92% to 70% at the top end isn't really that much of a reduction....

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    2. Re:national deficit by Curtman · · Score: 1

      Now under Bush the USA has the highest budget deficit it has ever had.

      Yeah, but they said they're on track for a balanced budget in 2012. So there's no problem.

      Hahaha
    3. Re:national deficit by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they said they're on track for a balanced budget in 2012. So there's no problem.

      Do you have reference for that?

      Falcon
    4. Re:national deficit by Curtman · · Score: 1
      Sure:

      The budget that I will submit will keep America on track for a surplus in 2012. American families have to balance their budgets; so should their government

      How you set a record deficit every year your in office then claim to be on track for a balanced budget, I'm not sure.
    5. Re:national deficit by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      How you set a record deficit every year your in office then claim to be on track for a balanced budget, I'm not sure.

      Besides that that's a speech, he doesn't provide any real data to support his assertion.

      On another note he says in the next paragraph "The people's trust in their government is undermined by congressional earmarks". I don't trust government period but since he's been president I distrust it even more. What Thomas Jefferson said, "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty" I fear is especially applicable today.

      Falcon
    6. Re:national deficit by Curtman · · Score: 1

      Besides that that's a speech, he doesn't provide any real data to support his assertion.

      I guess the sarcasm didn't come through when I said there was no problem. :)

      It's a big fucking problem, and hopefully GWB will go down in history as a war monger and a destroyer of economies. Not like when people these days try to claim Regan was some kind of hero.
    7. Re:national deficit by meregistered · · Score: 1

      Hey Falcon

      You said
      "
      When your income goes down either you cut spending or you go into debt. Not only has the US federal government cut income, taxes, but it has also ballooned spending. When Bush was sworn into office in 2001 there was a budget surplus of, if I recall right, $300B. Now under Bush the USA has the highest budget deficit it has ever had.

      What's so hard to understand about that?
      "

      I think if you will read my entire previous post you will agree that I am not stating that spending more when there is less is fiscally sound. I am also not suggesting that it does not increase debt. What I am suggesting is simply that tax cuts do not equal debt. ...

      I also specifically did not refer to Bush or his administration as I don't believe the problem is specifically the administrations (Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush: debt increased throughout all administrations[a budget surplus is great but when it's not applied to debt it obviously will not decrease it]). The current administration is always the easiest to blame. And while I believe the current one is to blame in a greater way perhaps than the others I mentioned I believe the full blame is the general attitude and structure of the US political machine.

      It also doesn't help that we, the citizens of the United States, actually do little to resolve this problem.
      The truth is, when enough people decide these issues are important and express our opinions to our representatives change is inevitable.

  178. federal and state governments by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    The problem with the 'let the states do it' concept is that the states end up in a 'race to the bottom'. Politicians go grubbing for tax revenue and what happens? Corporation X, Y, and Z come along and say

    Race to the bottom? Where are this corporations going to get workers? Many people can move to someplace else. For those who can't afford it when Corporation Y moves into an area Corporation X will have competition for employees and therefore will pay more. Both Honda and Toyota have opened new factories in the US and are beating Detroit's big three. The jobs created pay better than the jobs the area already had.

    'well, if you just gut your environmental laws, and forgive 90% of our taxes, and gift us with 40 million bucks to boot, maybe we'll build a factory in your state.

    So then the voters need to hold their government responsible. Oh, and I'll add that because pollution crosses manmade lines on paper, or a monitor, the environment is one area the feds should be able to set minimum standards. Actually here I'd prefer something international.

    Uncle SAM is big enough and the US (even now) is too big a market collectively to be entirely powerless against that. Even so you see what kind of govt we have now? Put it all on the states, it will be 10x worse.

    No, it would cost powerful corporations more to bribe local officials, who are directly responsible to local voters, than it costs to bribe federal officials. As Walmart is finding out local opposition is getting stronger. At the federal level there's not much that can be done but at the local level people have more power.

    While we ALL like the theory of 'small government', the reality is we live in the 21st century, not the 18th century, and pretending we can go back to an 18th century model of government is just that, pretending.

    No it not, it's trying to do something. Those like you, from what you say (pretending), would have people roll over. As the old saying goes, all that's required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    Paul likes to say his voting record is consistent with his beliefs, but it isn't entirely so.

    Please show examples of this to support your contention Ron Paul's voting record does not match his beliefs.

    Falcon
    1. Re:federal and state governments by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

      Race to the bottom? Where are this corporations going to get workers? Many people can move to someplace else. For those who can't afford it when Corporation Y moves into an area Corporation X will have competition for employees and therefore will pay more. Both Honda and Toyota have opened new factories in the US and are beating Detroit's big three. The jobs created pay better than the jobs the area already had.

      Uh, have you ANY knowledge of the history of labor relations? US wages have declined steadily for the last 35 years.

      So then the voters need to hold their government responsible. Oh, and I'll add that because pollution crosses manmade lines on paper, or a monitor, the environment is one area the feds should be able to set minimum standards. Actually here I'd prefer something international.

      And so we agree :) Some considerations are of national, or as you point out transnational, importance, and thus logically the perview of the Federal Government

      No, it would cost powerful corporations more to bribe local officials, who are directly responsible to local voters, than it costs to bribe federal officials. As Walmart is finding out local opposition is getting stronger. At the federal level there's not much that can be done but at the local level people have more power.

      Nonsense. All you have to do is look at what has actually happened with WalMart. They've run roughshod over state and local governments all over the country. Out of every, what, 1000 stores or so they've built they've run into trouble in one place? I really seriously doubt WalMart management is loosing a lot of sleep about it. No, instead they're raking in billions of $ while Medicaide or other programs pay their workers health care costs and they aren't even putting into the till for their share of that. Trust me, I know from personal experience about the way they operate, no local govt/planning organization has a snowball's chance in hell of doing more than slowing them down a bit. They get absolutely whatever they want at a local level. For every $ we can spend they have 100, and they're perfectly willing to ram their development plans down the town's throats.

      While we ALL like the theory of 'small government', the reality is we live in the 21st century, not the 18th century, and pretending we can go back to an 18th century model of government is just that, pretending.

      No it not, it's trying to do something. Those like you, from what you say (pretending), would have people roll over. As the old saying goes, all that's required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

      Well, you can define what I do as 'nothing' if it makes you feel better. Doing nothing is often better than doing something that makes things worse in any case. In any case you sound like you've swallowed the whole 'there is an evil liberal agenda to have all powerful government'. It is crap. It is Corporatist propaganda. The sad part is just how utterly gullible such a large segment of the population is. Who do you think is standing in the background with glee in their eyes just hoping for more 'deregulation' and tax cuts for the rich?

      No, the fact is nobody is in favor of excessive government or wasteful spending. What reasonable person would be for that? Give people a little credit. Reasonable people can disagree, and in the long run reasonable compromises usually prevail. I'd also observe that while the Republicans have given loads of lip service to shrinking government, they've failed utterly to live up to their word. All I've seen is a load of corporate welfare plans and tax cuts for the rich.

      Please show examples of this to support your contention Ron Paul's voting record does not match his beliefs.

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    2. Re:federal and state governments by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      All you have to do is look at what has actually happened with WalMart.

      Ok let's look at what's happening with Walmart. Walmart is the world's biggest retailer, and is one of China's biggest. The Chinese seem able to afford to shop there. Or take Brazil and Mexico. Walmart has been a success in both countries. In Brazil Walmart is closing in on Brazil's largest retailer, the French company Carrefour.

      they're raking in billions of $ while Medicaide or other programs pay their workers health care costs

      As in other areas I'd prefer a free market in health care. I don't believe in employer provided health insurance. In the US this is a vestige from World War II. Then the US had wage control laws that prevented employers from paying employees more, instead to allow businesses to attract employees employers were allowed to offer health insurance to employees. This alone distorted the market for health care and insurance. Even today laws and regulations favor employers who provide health insurance instead of paying them more so they can buy the type of insurance they want. However as you point out with Walmart some employers don't offer insurance for employees. Because health costs are skyrocketing employers are either requiring employees to pay more or are dropping coverage. That has been a sticking point with US auto manufacturers and United Auto Workers. The companies want workers to pay more but the union won't go along. What needs to be done is to let employers pay employees more without either having to pay more taxes then allow employees to buy insurance.

      In any case you sound like you've swallowed the whole 'there is an evil liberal agenda to have all powerful government'.

      On whether or not there's any agenda or not doesn't matter to me, but if there is one it's not liberal. Liberals, real ones not fakes, want liberty and small government.

      It is crap. It is Corporatist propaganda.

      Looks like you've missed where I've railed against corporation. A number of tymes I've stated corporations should have their Corporate Charter revoked if t hey no longer served to public good. The very first corporation, the Dutch East India Company, was granted a corporate charter for this very reason in 1602. Two years later the Honourable East India Company was granted a charter for the same reason, to serve the public good. If corporations today were treated the same it wouldn't be a problem. Thomas Jefferson said "I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and to bid defiance to the laws of their country."

      while the Republicans have given loads of lip service to shrinking government, they've failed utterly to live up to their word.

      Republicans have never done anything to shrink government. Two of past 3 Republican presidents increased the size of government. What's ironic is that the republican president that warned of the military industrial complex, Dwight D. Eisenhower, actually made it stronger. Many Americans believe it was Kennedy who first sent US troops to Viet Nam, but it was actually Ike who sent Colonel Edward Lansdale to undermine a vote on whether North and South Viet Nam would re

  179. large military forces by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    We need these large, permanent bases if we are to keep our ability to strike anywhere quickly with a consistent flow of supplies.

    There is no need for the US to strike anywhere quickly, there's no reason for US military forces to be spread all over the world. Fact is is there's no credible threat to US security other than by politicians and terrorists. And the military won't help with either of these.

    Falcon
  180. Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's one thing to be against "wasteful government spending", but when it ends up involving people dying on the street (social programs), it's a lot harder to stomach. From a purely economic point of view it is probably better to let the mentally ill and unemployable just die on the street instead of subsidizing them for the rest of their life, but that's not what most people consider acceptable for the first world. What nonsense you blather.

    Ron Paul is opposed to the unconstitutional involvement of the federal government. He correctly reminds us such charitable and social programs belong at the state level.

    Meanwhile, you sound like a goat bleating "Long live Microsoft!" with the false and weak excuse that the web will die unless chaotic tag soup continues in perpetuity.
  181. Re:coflicting answers (humor) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well he couldn't just outright say he would legalize personal ICBM's. Goodbye NRA, hello N(ICBM)A.

  182. US war by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    We fund China by borrowing trillions of dollars from them to fund our wars. That money is borrowed with interest, we are paying them billions just so we can fight an unconstitutional and unjustified war.

    And Ron Paul would end that war.

    Falcon
  183. gold standard by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    He wants to go back on the gold standard. Because, yunno, we never had any economic problems in the 19th century.

    No, but we had the Great Depression while we were on the Gold Standard. And the US did have depressions in the 1800s. There was one in 1807, another in 1837, and two more in 1873 and 1893.

    Falcon
    1. Re:gold standard by nuzak · · Score: 1

      I know the 1800's were rife with crashes, I just didn't quite adequately convey my sarcasm :) I admit that I was ignorant enough to think we were off the gold standard during the Great Depression though. I'll have to remember that one if I ever talk to my "Federal Reserve Is A Conspiracy Out To Get Us" friend again. Not that it'll actually have any effect... sigh.

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    2. Re:gold standard by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      I admit that I was ignorant enough to think we were off the gold standard during the Great Depression

      We were on it then but Nixon took the US off the gold standard. However according to this article President Franklin D. Roosevelt effectively took the US off the Gold Standard by making it illegal to own gold, except for jewelery.

      Falcon
  184. Ron Paul and NASA by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I doubt he'd be for increasing NASA's budget, a federal agency. That would contradict what he's been saying all along in terms of reducing the size of our federal government.

    Ron Paul's opposed to funding of NASA. While I support space exploration I don't think government can do any better than private enterprises can.

    Falcon
  185. space by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    What private ventures are these that are putting sciecne satellites in orbit and sending probes to other planets?

    And what are these enterprises supposed to do, compeat with the government when the government makes all the rules?

    And his racism

    Yea, like releasing all nonviolent drug offenders, most of whom are not "white", is racist. "Ron Paul associates the Drug War with racism, and wants to put an end to both."

    Falcon
    1. Re:space by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      And what are these enterprises supposed to do, compeat with the government when the government makes all the rules?

      And just what rules are these that would prevent, say, Boeing, from launching a probe to Pluto? There are private companies providing launch services. The Planetary Society managed to launch Cosmos 1, but the mission was a failure. And if U.S. law is prohibitive somehow, slip the Russkies a couple rubles and you can pretty much do anything you want at Baikonur.

      But there's no reason for a private for-profit corporation to do basic science. In fact they'd probably get sued by their stockholders for wasting money if they did.

      Yea, like releasing all nonviolent drug offenders, most of whom are not "white", is racist.

      Non sequitur. The fact that Paul exhibits common sense on the drug war issue says nothing about his views on any other. For example, being against the drug war might seem to be in favor of people controlling their own bodies - yet Paul wants to overturn Roe v. Wade and permit the states to prohibit abortion.

      In fact, by promoting Paul, you damage progress on the drug war issue by associating it with him. "We should end drug prohibition." "Hah! You sound like Ron Paul! I'm not interested in anything a racist anti-science anti-religious-liberty loon like him has to say!"

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    2. Re:space by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      And just what rules are these that would prevent, say, Boeing, from launching a probe to Pluto?

      Government controls air space over land. Even if I wanted to I couldn't launch a rocket anywhere I wanted to. And yes I used to build and launch rockets, when I started high school I joined a model rocketry club. There we'd build and launch model rockets. Or take flying, except for soar planes and Ultralights you have to have a pilot's license. My uncle built his own plane and he had to have it licensed or certified for flight.

      Paul wants to overturn Roe v. Wade and permit the states to prohibit abortion.

      Abortion is one issue I disagree with Ron Paul on. However I disagree with every candidate on one issue or another.

      Falcon
  186. torture by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    C) Torture? What, this water-boarding stuff? Duress, I agree. But torture? Show me the wounds and the scars left by water-boarding, and I might grant you torture.

    Torture doesn't need to leave physical scars, torture is "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental" is inflicted intentionally. Or is it that you think if a scar isn't visible it isn't torture?

    Falcon
    1. Re:torture by Macgruder · · Score: 1

      I was thinking along the lines of physical, yes. But still, under the 'severe pain or suffering' clause, I still don't see how water-boarding is torture.

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    2. Re:torture by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      I was thinking along the lines of physical, yes. But still, under the 'severe pain or suffering' clause, I still don't see how water-boarding is torture.

      If you think you're going to be drowned then mental pain is being, well may be, applied when you are water-boarded.

      Falcon
  187. You just made my head explode. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    How can someone running for the Republican party possibly be a Libertarian?

    Ron Paul first ran for president in 1988 as a Libertarian. The Libertarian Party got it's start in the 1970s when some Republicans became disillusioned with Nixon.

    Faclon
  188. OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For what it's worth, if you submit a resume to a large company (fortune 500), the first round of examination is automated. If you include lots of good buzzwords relevant to a job that you are interested in, it will head to the top of the heap. It's just like a Monster job search: Find the right job vs. find the right employee. If you send in a paper resume, it adds a step: scanning. And it isn't the hiring manager who will be scanning it. Results will vary, of course.

  189. Now, I'm not a republican and never have been by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I've always been a Libertarian.

    I started out as a Democrat. In 1980 I voted for Carter, then in 1984 for the Democrat candidate though I don't recall the person's name. Things changed in 1988, that year I was deputized to register people to vote. As part of it we were given a list of political parties recognized by the state, and later the names of the candidates on the ballot. I saw Ron Paul running as the Libertarian candidate and not knowing anything about him or the party I did some research. Thereafter I've considered myself a small "l" libertarian.

    Falcon
  190. Re: Question 3 by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

    Because a personal preference of an operating system has absolutely no bearing on politics whatsoever?

    Ok, so it might have a tiny bit if he for some reason totally is supportive of monopolies and unethical business practices, but seriously, if someone is going to vote for a president simply because he uses Linux... :)

  191. The Laffer Curve by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I don't know about the Laffer Curve, not much at least, but I've read how there's some controversies about it.

    Only way to find out is to adjust the tax rates, then leave them alone for a while and check REVENUE, not DEFICIT. Deficit can go up or down in ways unrelated to tax revenues

    The problem I think is is you can't really know if adjusting tax rates will affect revenue. For instance what if tax rates are adjusted either up or down while at the same tyme there's a slowdown in the economy. Or say an adjustment is made when a new technology comes along that improves output.

    Having said this, I don't want you to think I support high, or low, income taxes. I don't, I don't support personal income tax at the federal level. The only income tax I believe in is a tax on the profits a corporation makes, ie the dividends a corporation pays out. If someone wants the limited liability of a corporation then they can pay for it. At the state level, if the people there are ok with a state income tax then they can have one. But I'd rather not.

    Falcon
    1. Re:The Laffer Curve by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the Laffer Curve, not much at least, but I've read how there's some controversies about it.

      I can't imagine how there can be a controversy over the Lffer curve, which is as vague and general as it's possible to be.

      Specifically, it makes two assumptions:

      1) If income tax rates are zero, zero income taxes will be collected.

      2) If income tax rates are 100%, zero income taxes will be collected.

      In addition, it makes the observation that non-zero income taxes are collected with non-zero and non-confiscatory rates. This last cannot be denied, since all (most?) of us are paying income taxes now.

      It follows therefrom that a curve can be drawn, with points 0,0 and 100,0 as points on the curve, and that the curve goes upwards from zero, and downwards toward 100. Which means, almost by definition, that there is some rate between zero and 100 percent at which that curve reaches a maximum, and that increasing or decreasing rates from that point decrease revenues.

      It might be arguable (and probably is, by people who don't approve of Laffer's thought experiment) that marginal tax rates of 100% or even greater are used in places, without producing zero revenue. Alas, Laffer's curve isn't based on MARGINAL rates, but on absolute rates (i.e. if all of us are required to send to Washington every penny we make, with no deductions/exemptions/whatever, then we won't work - what would be the point?). So that argument is really just an evasion of the issue.

      Now, do I know whether a decrease in rates will cause an increase in revenue right now? Nope, not the foggiest. Nor does anyone else, though proponents of tax rate reductions will insist that a decrease would be good, and opponents of tax rate reductions (I call them that, since noone really wants to be called "proponents of tax rate increases") will insist that a decrease will be bad.

      Yes, economic conditions will affect the revenues, in spite of changes in rates. Or because of them, in some cases - even places that are solidly on the side of "reducing tax rates will increase the deficit" are quite willing to offer tax incentives (read: reductions) to lure businesses to their areas. And if it encourages business, it's likely to encourage everyone else.

      Ultimately, it's impossible to use the Laffer Curve as anything other than a theoretical basis for the concept that reducing tax rates does not always decrease revenues, since there's no way in hell that anyone will ever be able to determine analytically the "ideal" tax rate (which, in any case, would change depending on known variables, known unknown variables, and unknown unknown variables).

      Note, finally, that I wasn't trying to suggest that anyone was in favour of higher taxes, or of lwer taxes. I was merely annoyed at the (carefully concealed or ignorantly ignored?) assumption that "tax rates" were synonymous with "tax revenues". This idea is commonly espoused by those in favour of raising taxes, but is by no means unique to them, since ignorance is unbounded.

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  192. abortioon by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    And for those that might want to know my personal opinions on the subject, I think Bill Clinton said it best. Abortions should be legal, safe, and above all else rare.

    That says it best alright. I am both pro-choice and pro-life.

    Falcon
  193. Re:co(n)flicting answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that if you ask around, most people will say they just "want theirs".

    I don't think is it terribly greedy to want a portion of my income back from the government. They sure as hell are not going to use it efficiently.

    Greed is good, right Mr. Libertarian?

    Being free to choose how *my* resources are spent is good. But I can see where you might interpret "wanting greater personal responsibility and independence" as wanting too much.

    I doubt that you can speak for "most people." And since you are condescending enough to state that most people are "helpless, greedy or don't think at all," I doubt that "most people" want you representing them. While you are enjoying your shower, ask yourself why it is that people might not look forward to "working together" with a person like yourself.

    You should go back to not answering rants.

  194. voluntary exchanges by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Two consenting adults should be allowed to trade with each other at whatever terms they voluntarily agree upon.

    There are limits to that. Because as you have just phrased it, debtor armies and slave labor would be entirely acceptable.

    I don't know that the person being enslaved would think it's voluntary.

    Falcon
  195. organic certification by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I was in a discussion with folks recently who do certified organic farming. The guy from the USDA comes in, looks at their farm, checks their papers, and drives off.

    I've heard of some organic farmer who since the federal government took over the organic label have decided to give up on organic certification. This is because the costs of the certification has gone up a lot for them while their income hasn't increased. So what some do is continue operating as they did when certified organic but they won't pay for certification. I heard this is popular in California.

    Falcon
  196. federal or state control by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    How is it that the Federal government is bad when the state government is good? That is illogical.

    Under federal control you have one lab, whereas with the states in control you have 50 labs. Each state can try something. And if it works then other states can try it. Or if it doesn't work the state can try something that works for another state.

    Falcon
  197. corporations by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    By the way: in my opinion, a true libertarian must be against the limitation of liability that shareholders enjoy. The libertarian ideal of "free-market capitalism" only works when our freedom is counterbalanced by we having absolute responsibility for our actions. And you only get that, at the speculative market, once purchasing shares of a company links you, your well-being, your future, your destiny, to those of that company. At the prospect of you going on jail if the company commits a crime, even if you only own a single share. Do this, and you'll notice corporations becoming very good neighbors from day to night.

    What you could do is revoke the Corporate Charter of corporations.

    Falcon
  198. do Republican want small government? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    You present a strong argument for a core tenet of Republican beliefs, namely, a smaller Federal government. That is actually one belief I share with Republicans

    Small government hasn't been a tenet of the Republican Party in a long tyme. The current admin, Bush Jr's, is creating an intelligence state. And Reagan built up the police state Nixon started. Of course Democrats aren't for small government either. They want big social services programs. The only political party in the US that has Small Government as it's platform is the Libertarian Party.

    Falcon
  199. Re:coflicting answers (true oil price) by ill+dillettante · · Score: 1

    It is actually more complex than this because you need to take into account time. The cost of the war is upfront but the oil is only produced over a period of time so it's value of this needs to be discounted. Iraq is currently only producing 2 million barrels per day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves#Iraq/. I can't be bothered doing the full calculations, but at the 30 year bond rate of 4.5% after 30 years this $1 trillion turns out to be $3.74 trillion yet we only get 60 billion barrels of oil out of Iraq. This is $62 per barrel. Using your assumption that only 25% of this flows to the USA this is a subsidy of more than $240 per barrel!

  200. Gold keeps it's value by j0ebaker · · Score: 1

    Gold is the best commodity I've seen that keeps it's value.

    Although recently I've become aware of the central banks of the world conspiring to manipulate the price of gold in the markets to mask inflation of currencys.  See http://www.goldrush21.com for more details.   These whistleblowers spent $265,000 on a full page color ad in the January 31st, 2008 Wall Street Journal.

    I've heard that gold should be at about $5,000 per ounce right now considering how much the dollar has devalued.

    END the Federal Reserve Systems!!!!

    (I usually sign my posts with GnuPG signatures, but slashdot's "Lameness filter encountered.  Post aborted" message indicated "Reason: That's an awful long string of letters there.".)

  201. Re:co(n)flicting answers by Alsee · · Score: 1

    Gagh, you made me defend centrists. Now I must shower.

    Yeah, it really sucks. But heay, it's only once every four years.

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  202. Ron Paul: Simple Solutions for Simple Minds by eyendall · · Score: 1

    Simple solutions for simple Minds. Now what was the problem again?

    1. Re:Ron Paul: Simple Solutions for Simple Minds by timjdot · · Score: 1

      "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler"
      -- Name that quote

      "Keep It Simple Stupid"
      -- Name that SW design group

      Answer these two and you too might understand simplicity!

      BTW, the simplicity of individual responsibility cannot be understood by a Socialist people. Dr. Ron Paul's message of Freedom is unheard and not understood.

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      Expect Freedom.
    2. Re:Ron Paul: Simple Solutions for Simple Minds by eyendall · · Score: 1

      Beware the Law of Unintended (or not thought through) Consequences. Simplicity in a complex world is not itself a solution. Your quotes only point-out the wisdom of choosing the simplest of complex options that work. It always helps to define the problem before jumping into a solution. If we don't agree on the problem we will never agree on the solution.

  203. Re: Question 3 by penguin_dance · · Score: 1

    Except they were supposed to be "tech-oriented questions" (their idea, not mine!) What does legalizing pot have to do with that? (Or question 2 for that matter.) There are a lot of more relavent questions that could have been asked. Such as his position on stem cell research, global warming, Kayoto treaty, H1B workers, etc. They wonder why no one is answering the qustions? Personally, had I been a candidate and gotten this set of questions, I wouldn't have bother to answer them either!

    My question was more of a spoof of the famous "boxers of briefs" question some idiot asked Clinton when he ran for office. But it would have been interesting if any candidate actually knows what Linux IS. Or hell, that he knows what a computer is. You certainly are not going to get a lot of support for the tech community if you elect some guy who, for example, doesn't know how to answer an email.

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  204. No one makes $100 billion a year by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Do you think there's a bunch of people who make less than $90,000 and then an empty void until you get people making a $50 million a year? You're just another nothing who has bought into the whole class warfare claptrap.

  205. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by mhall119 · · Score: 1

    I figure you's keepin' the other third cuz we's gooder at sports. Am I right, honky? Nope, we're keeping you for your math skills.

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  206. Even more softball questions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No offense, but most of your questions really aren't any better. You need to learn to phrase questions in a way that doesn't reveal an infantile understanding of the issues. To pick on a few:

    "Is health care a right?" You mean a natural right? A constitutional right? Why not just ask, what is your opinion on universal health care?

    "Should those on welfare be disallowed from voting?" I just can't see how someone with an understanding of welfare could seriously ask such a question. Should those with frequent flier miles be disallowed from complaining about airlines?

  207. Re: Question 3 by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

    I thought they were just slashdot-asked questions, hehe.

  208. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Woundweavr · · Score: 1

    You are full of shit. Period.

    Thanks for bringing the level of discourse up to a higher level. However, when using the word "Period" as a sentence in an of itself, its is primarily done as the termination of an argument. I understand that you had just delivered your most intelligent point but it wasn't the best choice.


    Nothing in his congressional record, personal life, nor his medical practice leads one iota of credence to the newsletters. In fact, it's just the opposite.

    Other than publishing the newsletters, and writing the newsletters? How about his association with the von Mises Institution and Lew Rockwell (his former staffer)?

    Would the president of the NAACP back someone like you just described? Of course not.
    He hasn't.

    Would someone that you just described deliver babies for free to African American and Hispanic families that were too poor to afford it? No.
    If he wanted to keep his medical license, yes.


    He was running a full time medical practice and left the newsletters in care of people he thought he could trust. That was a mistake, as there were those who had a different agenda. At least he admitted he had been careless, unlike MOST of our elected officials (Iraq War).

    His actions speak a lot louder than the words written by some assholes who had a vendetta. Here's a challenge for you. I want you to find one, just one instance where an action in his personal, medical, or political life shows paranoid racism. You won't find one.

    Oh well if thats what he said, then nevermind. I could never imagine someone lying to cover up a racist past.


    But I'll bite. Ron Paul has extensive ties to the League of the South, a neo-Confederate group that advocates secession, a "return" to Christian law and racial violence.


    Or his association with the John Birch Society, a far right wing society with both racist and conspiracy theory views.

    He's not a libertarian. He's a constitutionalist. There is a difference.
    Someone should tell Ron Paul that.


  209. Re:co(n)flicting answers by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    And the only problem there is that really a "state" should be limited to about 25 million people. Larger populations produce unaccountable governments that are essentially "federal" governments.

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  210. Re:maybe slashdot should contact the candidates ag by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    I think the candidates want as many votes as they can get.

    Not really, they just want the majority of votes in a state. If we had a direct democracy then they would be interested in getting as many votes as they could.

    So they go for the low hanging fruit and move on to the next state.

    However, I don't think that they look at slashdot and go "oh that's where the smart people are. It's not worth trying to sway them with my viewpoints"

    That's the catch here, the candidates generally don't have solid viewpoints on anything. Having solid viewpoints means taking sides in arguments, which means you lose the support of everyone whose side you're not deemed "on". That's why they give vague answers to everything, so they can respin their previous statements to suit whatever the sentiment-of-the-week is in the country on an issue.

    People have already complained about Ron Paul's response here, because he didn't really answer most of the questions. Of course he didn't! Otherwise he wont be able to say the exact opposite later on if he needs to. That's why the other candidates didn't answer, either. The questions they were sent are written in a way that makes it hard to answer without setting a precedent for their views on issues, and they can tell deflecting by answering an unrelated question wont pass unnoticed here.

    It's just not worth the hassle/possible alienation of other voters to them.
  211. useless by sneakyimp · · Score: 1

    Except for the part about weed, this interview is completely useless.

  212. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Xyrus · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=227844

    The president and 20 year long friend of Ron Paul defended him. Ron Paul has also written a treatise about how to eliminate racism, which seems rather odd for someone who would be a racist.

    Lew Rockwell and the Mises institute ARE NOT FRIENDS of Paul. You will find that they have been attacking Paul almost non-stop. Lew Rockwell was fired I believe. It was Lew and pals who orchestrated The New Republic release. Not exactly something you do to someone you support.

    As far as your "extensive ties" go, I can find no such evidence other than some PO blogs and people thinking that Ron Paul supports them. There was one story in the USA Daily, but it was retracted on the basis that they could not find any credible sources to back it up. Other than that there doesn't appear to be any credible information.

    The John Birch Society support Paul for his constitutional views. Other than one speech he gave (on constitutional principles no less), I don't find any other ties to the group. The same with the league of the south. They support him because of his views on the Constitution and states right.

    I do not see any PAC money coming from these groups. Nor do I see Ron Paul actively endorsing or supporting these groups either. I don't see it in his congressional record, and certainly not in his public record. You would think that if what your saying is true, the mainstream media would have picked it up and utterly destroyed him with it.

    But I suppose you want to make a leap from some of the crazies supporting Ron Paul to Ron Paul being a crazy himself. o_0

    The only thing I've managed to find with any racism at all has been the newsletters. Everything else has been word-of-mouth or unsubstantiated, uncorraborative stories. How about something from real source or news outlet.

    But since your so keen on on political wrong-doings and such, try this site http://www.judicialwatch.org/. Obama has quite a record. Another one for more recent statements is factcheck.org.

    ~X~

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  213. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

    Lew Rockwell and the Mises institute ARE NOT FRIENDS of Paul. You will find that they have been attacking Paul almost non-stop. Lew Rockwell was fired I believe. It was Lew and pals who orchestrated The New Republic release. Not exactly something you do to someone you support.

    Some links:

    Lew Rockwell Blog

    LewRockwell.com Ron Paul News

    Past articles by Congressman Ron Paul on LewRockwell.com

    Hmm... these don't seem like things that are critical of Paul, do they? in fact, they seem like the work of an ardent supporter.

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    "MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
  214. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Woundweavr · · Score: 1

    The initial sibling comment has shown your claims regarding Lew Rockwell are obviously false.

    Ron Paul is the "Distinguished Counselor" of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. They publish his latest book - forward by Lew Rockwell.

    Ron Paul also openly associates himself with their of the John Birch Society and thinks its ridiculous that someone would think its bad that he would.

    Clearly you aren't interested in the truth, just in backing your guy. I linked several times to news sources. You then criticize my sources and link Judicial Watch of all places as a source when the first adjective it uses to describe itself is by political ideology ("conservative"). Even your second mentioned site identifies judicialwatch as "a conservative legal group that dogged the Clintons through the 1990s with a stream of document demands and related lawsuits" not a reliable source of facts.

  215. Re:How do you propose to take care of the blacks? by Woundweavr · · Score: 1
    Addendum - Also, obviously Nelson Linder is not the President of the NAACP as the initial comment claimed. He's President of a local chapter of the NAACP and made the statement while on the Alex Jones radio show. Alex Jones is mentioned in the previous article

    What's more, Paul's connections to extremism go beyond the newsletters. He has given extensive interviews to the magazine of the John Birch Society, and has frequently been a guest of Alex Jones, a radio host and perhaps the most famous conspiracy theorist in America. Jones--whose recent documentary, Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement, details the plans of George Pataki, David Rockefeller, and Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, among others, to exterminate most of humanity and develop themselves into "superhuman" computer hybrids able to "travel throughout the cosmos"--estimates that Paul has appeared on his radio program about 40 times over the past twelve years.
  216. Reagan by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    It's a big fucking problem, and hopefully GWB will go down in history as a war monger and a destroyer of economies. Not like when people these days try to claim Regan was some kind of hero.

    Yea, I don't understand how people can say Reagan was a small government conservative. Reagan expanded government more than many apparently believe. Some tyme back "Reason" magazine had a feature going through many of the things Reagan did to expand the federal government.

    Falcon
  217. Re:co(n)flicting answers by rickcain · · Score: 1

    Whats keeping any reform minded party from succeeding is any anti-war message. Let's get something straight. AMERICANS LOVE WAR. Sure the iraqi war isn't popular, but not because of a philosophical opposition to war in general...its just that we are losing and Americans hate to lose wars, so we get stubborn and dig our heels in until it becomes so huge a disaster we finally have to give up, but not before blaming hippies, liberals, dancing peace activists, PETA, and treehuggers for it all. Ron Paul will never win because of his anti-war stance, same reason why Dennis Kucinich will never win.

  218. re: It was insightful for a good reason..... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Call it a "rant" if you must, but had I the mod points, I would have liked to mod that comment from +4 to +5.

    It hits the nail on the proverbial head.

    The fact that some people would want the tax "rebate" money Bush is proposing, yet fully understand what bad fiscal policy the whole thing is does NOT in any way, shape or form make them a hypocrite. I consider myself in this camp, and it's NOT a simple matter of throwing my hands up in the air, saying "It's beyond fixing, so want mine out of the mess!"

    It's an understanding that the American people are WAY over-taxed at the Federal level. As a Libertarian myself, I'd love to see the entire IRS dismantled/abolished. If that's too "pie in the sky" to ever really happen, ok. Then I'd settle for removal of many of the govt. offices that are unnecessary and inefficient. I'd agree with such ideas as dumping NASA and privatizing space exploration, and probably even scaling back the FDA. Homeland Security would be gone in a flash, for sure. Given that mentality, it's perfectly logical I'd take any money back I can get from the feds! I'd rather have what I earned for myself than letting them mis-use it!

  219. Re:co(n)flicting answers by hitchhacker · · Score: 1

    I can't say I have seen more eloquent explanations of what has been going wrong with the Federal Government. This, sir, is almost on par with the Declaration of Independence. Very well done, indeed.

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  220. Aging population by TheLink · · Score: 1

    "At which point, both democracy and economics are going to make everyone from my generation and those that follow my generation into slaves to the needs of the elderly,"

    How about just stop fighting stuff like obesity and smoking so much? Then there won't be so many elderly :).

    Definitely educate everyone of the dangers etc, but don't ban smoking, and don't ban fattening foods.

    Have education campaigns and _tax_ the stuff more. You want to ban smoking in bars? Don't. Just tax bars that allow smoking more.

    Then if people still want to do that sort of stuff and die earlier, let them! Maybe give the exceptional "contributors" a medal or cert for their sacrifice for the country :).

    People say lung cancer treatment is expensive. But so is the other sort of cancer treatment.

    People die eventually - most antismoking studies ignore that, and/or do bullshit stuff like factor in lost _future_ earnings as a cost. I've looked at so many, they all "spin" it.

    If more people stop dying from heart disease (obesity) and lung cancer (smoking), more of them will start dying of other cancers or stroke (see Japan for examples). And those are expensive too - plus you have to support them for many more years.

    If people actually smarten up and take actions to live longer without having to be _forced_ to, that's a good thing, and I'm sure they'll also be smart enough to figure something out.

    I must say that in Japan there's a high smoker ratio, but they still don't seem to drop dead as early as one would expect.

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