Anything that reduces the average home owner's reliance on the grid is good in my book...especially as the infrastructure is so dated and fragile.
Dated and fragile? Where on earth do you get that impression?... The technology of power transmission hasn't fundamentally changed in 100 years...
You said it yourself - the technology hasn't changed in 100 years. It was never designed with terrorism and climate change in mind. To continue relying on a grid that is vulnerable to cascade failures and can be taken down by an ice storm, (or a few well-placed bombs), thereby rendering a large part of the continent powerless, is silly and irresponsible.
Sure, continuous improvements are being made to the grid, and tech advances are making it more reliable and less vulnerable. But the complexity of the newer control systems constitue their own Achilles heel - see 'requisite variety' to understand why. The grid will never be as resilient and fault tolerant as widespread local power generating capacity will be.
Add in the fact that distributing solar capacity is more efficient than centralizing it, then consider the carbon footprint of coal-fired plants, and solar plus batteries starts to look damned good.
uhm, you forget all of these agencies report to the guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave...
Yes, but doesn't the guy at 1600 report to the corporations and special interest groups? Truman probably didn't, but Obama, (along with most presidents since Kennedy), probably does.
...I can also say that, having read "Man in High Castle", that's not an easy book to put to film...
Funny, I've always thought exactly the opposite. When I read it I can visualize the movie scenes in my head, and I almost feel I could write a screenplay from it, even though I've never written one before. I can't think of any other novel that I've had that response to - especially ones written by Dick.
Anyone who says Israel have left Hamas no choice is both morally_and_intellectually bankrupt !!
You didn't watch the video, did you, Mr. Anonymous Coward? The guy in it is the son of an Israeli general who was pretty much a hero to the Israelis, and who in his later life became devoted to the cause of peace and was very much against Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. His son, (the guy in the video), lost a beloved 14-year-old niece in a Palestinian attack, yet he is critical of his own government's role in the environment that led to her death, and has managed to make friends among the Palestinians.
These are people who have a serious amount of skin in this game, yet they have risen above their own knee-jerk reactions, thrown off the propaganda they've been exposed to, and made a hard choice to try to heal the wounds and bury the hatchet. Sure, Hamas' actions are evil - but can you see that your actions might be over the top if you were forced into the shit-end of an apartheid relationship and saw your children not having enough food, water, and education as a result? If you had decades of being demeaned and treated as second-class citizens, with the same for your kids, with no end in sight?
The point here is not about who's right, who's wrong, who's better, who's worse. It's about atrocities having been committed by both parties, and about stopping that shit for the good of all of us. It's easy to stand on the sidelines and engage in name-calling. It's hard to get on the battlefield and fight. But the hardest thing by far is to forgive and to try to move forward when some of the bodies on the field belong to your family. The world needs more people who choose the hardest road - I hope I never have to make that choice, but if I do, I sure as hell hope that I take the hardest path.
Responses like yours only serve to escalate conflicts, add fuel to a fire that's already out of control, and encourage propagandists and tyrants. And don't assume that you'd be so different from Hamas if you were put into the same situation. Desperation makes people do things they never thought they would or could, and I seriously doubt you're very much different from the rest of us in that regard.
Did you ever stop to wonder if perhaps Hamas are "bad guys" because the Israelis have really left them no choice?
If you watch the entire video while maintaining a little intellectual honesty, you won't be so quick to condemn Hamas as being so much worse than the Israelis. There's plenty of evil in that region, and Israel is both directly and indirectly responsible for a very large part of it.
> In short, the designers are (willfully?) ignorant of the fact that
> not everyone uses their web browser exactly the same way
> they do.
Aren't you make that mistake yourself?
No, he's not making the same mistake. He's perfectly willing to let others use the new design and features - he just wants a way to keep the old behaviour, and so do I.
> Any time they change the interface, add an easy-to-find
> checkbox under the options to restore the old functionality.
That leads to an explosion of difficult-to-understand checkboxes in the UI, and an unmaintainable mess under the hood.
I'm not very well qualified to comment on the 'unmaintainable mess', but it smells fishy to me. If Pale Moon can keep the old behaviour while incorporating the new security enhancements, surely Mozilla can keep the old UI and the new one without compromising maintainability. Especially since addon designers have been doing pretty much that for your users for 25 or more releases. And as for the 'difficult to understand check boxes', scratch them. Just give us a well documented set of 'about:config' entries that are already present and prefixed with something like "old behaviour" so can go to one block of entries, change them all, and be done. Heck, you could boil it down to ONE entry called 'browser.pre_australis_mode'.
I'm pretty sure that won't happen though, not because it's too much work, but because Mozilla is hell bent on me-tooing their way into the future with all the other browser makers whose attitude is 'screw the users'. So in the meantime I'm using Pale Moon. Yes, I see the apparent hypocrisy in that decision. I hope Mozilla sees the hypocrisy of bringing private corporation attitudes to their ostensibly FOSS organization.
I'll install it when that godawful Australis interface is rolled back or replaced with something less eye-bleedingly bad
If enough of us move to Pale Moon, (it's all I've used since shortly after Australis first shat all over my computer screen), then perhaps Mozilla will get the hint that we love Firefox, but hate what it's become. And if they don't get the hint, well, then we're supporting a viable alternative for the time when Mozilla gets eaten by the shark it just jumped.
BTW, although the Linux version of Pale Moon is 'unofficial' and maintained by somebody outside the organization, I've had no trouble running it under Debian Jessie with all of my usual addons.
I'm astonished that they haven't made more progress on cancer. I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, and I realize that cancer is a whole bunch of diseases while HIV is a handful of strains of the same virus. Still, cancer research has been very heavily funded for far longer than HIV research. Yet it seems that very little progress has been made on cancer beyond 'cut it out, poison it, nuke it', while attempts at eliminating HIV seem more subtle and nuanced by comparison. I know I'm probably missing something important here; anyone care to enlighten me? TIA.
When sonar is used, it can create sound pressure levels of 140dB 300 miles from the source. The sound is so excruciating that whales will surface too fast and get the bends, and/or beach themselves, just to escape the sound.
Yup, let's rape our irreplaceable planet some more while torturing innocent, intelligent creatures. After all, they aren't human, and our comfort, convenience, and entertainment are so much more important than their lives.
Rogers... one of the most evil corporations ever created.
I'm a Canadian, and I used to be a Rogers customer. Yes, they are evil, but they're nowhere near the top of the evilness ladder. Monsanto, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharma make companies like Rogers look positively saintly by comparison.
I excel at problem solving, and have excellent verbal and written English communication and comprehension skills. Abstraction, (except for the mathematical kind), is a primary mode of thinking for me. I'm also versatile; I've been successful at analog, digital, and RF hardware design, authored and delivered well-received technical trainings, performed well in tech support, and have lots of troubleshooting and repair experience under my belt.
I also can't find employment beyond casual repair work. For me, even solid skills and a good track record haven't enabled me to get a job. YMMV.
Poison the well. Everybody, anywhere in the world, whether it be a government, corporation, or individual, needs to become skilled at disinformation. If everybody's default behaviour is to muddy the waters by generating all kinds of contradictory data, the background noise level becomes so high that discerning fact from fiction is very difficult. Governments and corporations already use this tactic against the population; I consider much of Prime Time and 'reality' television to be propaganda, a kind of cultural disease vector.
Given that the genie is out of the bottle and privacy is dead, it would be best for everybody to know everything about everybody else, until the data becomes meaningless because of its sheer volume and commonness. If all possible information about what's going on is available to everyone everywhere, then it becomes essentially worthless. But the TLAs and corporations won't let that happen - they'll always be one up on mere citizens when it comes to info gathering. So maybe it's time for everyone to start sowing disinformation. That would make the world really, really suck; but it would probably suck a lot less than it will if the ultimate goals of Big Brother are achieved.
...other input voltages than 5V are still not accepted, making battery powered applications unnecessarily difficult.
Yes, a range of, say, 5V to 15V would have been nice. But then they would have needed to add a 5V regulator that would be responsible not only for local regulation, but also for powering anything and everything attached to the four USB ports. Might be a bit much to ask of a small, inexpensive board.
I agree fully with your comment about using a micro USB connector for power though. That thing is awful, and it should be replaced with a real power connector.
What impact does file sharing have on the sales of DVD's and BluRay? I would expect advance availability to boost theatrical revenues, as the study indicates. But downloading likely has some negative effect on media sales post-release.
Of course, file sharing would have less of an impact if the industry's media model wasn't broken in so many ways - DRM, unskippable ads and warnings, laughably high prices, region locking, and any other ways movie makers have found to take careful aim before shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly by pissing off their increasingly non-captive audience.
As for theatrical releases, I very seldom go any more. I love the big screen, but I HATE the product ads, the self-serving propagandistic trivia games, and the over-priced snacks that ruin what would otherwise be an enjoyable evening out.
Depending on how specific their criteria, and how high they set the detection thresholds, the following people could be in for serious grief:
1) Gardeners and farmers - (nitrate compounds from fertilizer, + fuel oil from any of a dozen sources)
2) Painters, mechanics, people with Zippo lighters, people who use hand sanitizer, people who gas up their own vehicles - (flammable solvents)
3) Anyone who handles paper money (cocaine)
They'd be better off doing genetic research to figure out how to give us all the olfactory capabilities of blood hounds. Then none of us would have any secrets from each other. Of course, the ass-sniffing thing would get old pretty fast.
My thoughts exactly. A discussion of the merits of add-on vs built-in sound hardware is worthwhile on its own terms; but basing the discussion on a specific add-on card, with the flimsy excuse of one company's 25th anniversary, strikes me as blatant shilling.
"I'll be explaining today why emergency legislation is needed to maintain powers to help keep us safe from those who would harm UK citizens."
— David Cameron
No need to explain, David. We all know this is just another excuse for more power-hoarding privacy invasion, and that "those who would harm UK citizens" are in fact you and your masters. Kindly stop pretending and man up. The only "emergency" here is the fear fantasy you're manufacturing and trying to get UK citizens to swallow.
1. Olympic Gold Medal
2. 5x Jeopardy Champion
3. Professional Concert Pianist
4. Bolshoi Ballet
5. Supermodel etc.
The idea is to find your niche in life and exploit it. Not call the whaaambulance.
Sure. But lots of people participate in sports, just not at the Olympic level. Lots of people play Jeopardy, play the piano, dance, and vamp for photos, to the betterment of their own lives and for the entertainment of both themselves and others. How many people are 'casual programmers' in the sense that they can do a little bit of programming to enrich their own lives and those of others in their immediate circle?
I see this as being more about moving away from excessive specialization and exclusiveness, rather than making all programming so simple that dedicated, hard working, deeply knowledgeable programmers are no longer required. We still need wizards to maintain, improve, and expand the underpinnings and structure of programming, and do the really complex stuff. But it's time for average people to have the ability to develop some basic applications, just as they can now produce photographs that two decades ago would have been the exclusive domain of professional photographers.
The power grid operates on incredibly tight tolerances with regard to frequency...
FTA: "It found fundamental differences in the structure of the harmonics of the 50 Hz which could be detected because Total Harmonic Distortion was strongly affected by local factors and had as a result little geographical consistency."
Not that any of this is likely to matter. Even if they had a unique spectrum capture of a specific location at a specific time for comparison purposes, turning one computer on, (or off), would totally change the harmonic signature appearing on the local wiring, thereby making the reference capture useless. And a vacuum cleaner running would really mess things up.
For anyone worried about this, running a randomly-swept audio generator through a frequency range of, say, 20 to 150 Hz, and injecting the signal into the audio capture at a level that is just audible without being too annoying, should seriously reduce any chances of the 'power line signature' being traced.
Now if someone is actually injecting a unique signal into the grid for a defined geographic area, countermeasures would be more involved. Recording in a very good Faraday cage, using battery power only, with no cables entering the Faraday cage from outside, would probably thwart any such attempts at tracking. The sweep-generator technique mentioned above would provide additional insurance. But now we're very far into tin-foil-hat territory.
But the government is intercepting data primarily from open protocols to do the spying. I don't think that closed source had anything to do with that.
That's only because they picked the low-hanging fruit first, and long-ago compromised closed-source with the sometimes-eager help of the companies who sell it.
Anything that reduces the average home owner's reliance on the grid is good in my book...especially as the infrastructure is so dated and fragile.
Dated and fragile? Where on earth do you get that impression?... The technology of power transmission hasn't fundamentally changed in 100 years...
You said it yourself - the technology hasn't changed in 100 years. It was never designed with terrorism and climate change in mind. To continue relying on a grid that is vulnerable to cascade failures and can be taken down by an ice storm, (or a few well-placed bombs), thereby rendering a large part of the continent powerless, is silly and irresponsible.
Sure, continuous improvements are being made to the grid, and tech advances are making it more reliable and less vulnerable. But the complexity of the newer control systems constitue their own Achilles heel - see 'requisite variety' to understand why. The grid will never be as resilient and fault tolerant as widespread local power generating capacity will be.
Add in the fact that distributing solar capacity is more efficient than centralizing it, then consider the carbon footprint of coal-fired plants, and solar plus batteries starts to look damned good.
uhm, you forget all of these agencies report to the guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave...
Yes, but doesn't the guy at 1600 report to the corporations and special interest groups? Truman probably didn't, but Obama, (along with most presidents since Kennedy), probably does.
...I can also say that, having read "Man in High Castle", that's not an easy book to put to film...
Funny, I've always thought exactly the opposite. When I read it I can visualize the movie scenes in my head, and I almost feel I could write a screenplay from it, even though I've never written one before. I can't think of any other novel that I've had that response to - especially ones written by Dick.
Anyone who says Israel have left Hamas no choice is both morally _and_ intellectually bankrupt !!
You didn't watch the video, did you, Mr. Anonymous Coward? The guy in it is the son of an Israeli general who was pretty much a hero to the Israelis, and who in his later life became devoted to the cause of peace and was very much against Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. His son, (the guy in the video), lost a beloved 14-year-old niece in a Palestinian attack, yet he is critical of his own government's role in the environment that led to her death, and has managed to make friends among the Palestinians.
These are people who have a serious amount of skin in this game, yet they have risen above their own knee-jerk reactions, thrown off the propaganda they've been exposed to, and made a hard choice to try to heal the wounds and bury the hatchet. Sure, Hamas' actions are evil - but can you see that your actions might be over the top if you were forced into the shit-end of an apartheid relationship and saw your children not having enough food, water, and education as a result? If you had decades of being demeaned and treated as second-class citizens, with the same for your kids, with no end in sight?
The point here is not about who's right, who's wrong, who's better, who's worse. It's about atrocities having been committed by both parties, and about stopping that shit for the good of all of us. It's easy to stand on the sidelines and engage in name-calling. It's hard to get on the battlefield and fight. But the hardest thing by far is to forgive and to try to move forward when some of the bodies on the field belong to your family. The world needs more people who choose the hardest road - I hope I never have to make that choice, but if I do, I sure as hell hope that I take the hardest path.
Responses like yours only serve to escalate conflicts, add fuel to a fire that's already out of control, and encourage propagandists and tyrants. And don't assume that you'd be so different from Hamas if you were put into the same situation. Desperation makes people do things they never thought they would or could, and I seriously doubt you're very much different from the rest of us in that regard.
...Hamas really is "the bad guys"...
Did you ever stop to wonder if perhaps Hamas are "bad guys" because the Israelis have really left them no choice?
If you watch the entire video while maintaining a little intellectual honesty, you won't be so quick to condemn Hamas as being so much worse than the Israelis. There's plenty of evil in that region, and Israel is both directly and indirectly responsible for a very large part of it.
AKA "Some tears fell on my diary, and now I've lost everything!"
FF31 has just been released AFAIK
So whats new (or broken) in FF31 - should I upgrade from FF30 ?
Unless you like Australis, you may want to 'upgrade' to Pale Moon 24.
> In short, the designers are (willfully?) ignorant of the fact that > not everyone uses their web browser exactly the same way > they do.
Aren't you make that mistake yourself?
No, he's not making the same mistake. He's perfectly willing to let others use the new design and features - he just wants a way to keep the old behaviour, and so do I.
> Any time they change the interface, add an easy-to-find > checkbox under the options to restore the old functionality.
That leads to an explosion of difficult-to-understand checkboxes in the UI, and an unmaintainable mess under the hood.
I'm not very well qualified to comment on the 'unmaintainable mess', but it smells fishy to me. If Pale Moon can keep the old behaviour while incorporating the new security enhancements, surely Mozilla can keep the old UI and the new one without compromising maintainability. Especially since addon designers have been doing pretty much that for your users for 25 or more releases. And as for the 'difficult to understand check boxes', scratch them. Just give us a well documented set of 'about:config' entries that are already present and prefixed with something like "old behaviour" so can go to one block of entries, change them all, and be done. Heck, you could boil it down to ONE entry called 'browser.pre_australis_mode'.
I'm pretty sure that won't happen though, not because it's too much work, but because Mozilla is hell bent on me-tooing their way into the future with all the other browser makers whose attitude is 'screw the users'. So in the meantime I'm using Pale Moon. Yes, I see the apparent hypocrisy in that decision. I hope Mozilla sees the hypocrisy of bringing private corporation attitudes to their ostensibly FOSS organization.
I'll install it when that godawful Australis interface is rolled back or replaced with something less eye-bleedingly bad
If enough of us move to Pale Moon, (it's all I've used since shortly after Australis first shat all over my computer screen), then perhaps Mozilla will get the hint that we love Firefox, but hate what it's become. And if they don't get the hint, well, then we're supporting a viable alternative for the time when Mozilla gets eaten by the shark it just jumped.
BTW, although the Linux version of Pale Moon is 'unofficial' and maintained by somebody outside the organization, I've had no trouble running it under Debian Jessie with all of my usual addons.
I'm astonished that they haven't made more progress on cancer. I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, and I realize that cancer is a whole bunch of diseases while HIV is a handful of strains of the same virus. Still, cancer research has been very heavily funded for far longer than HIV research. Yet it seems that very little progress has been made on cancer beyond 'cut it out, poison it, nuke it', while attempts at eliminating HIV seem more subtle and nuanced by comparison. I know I'm probably missing something important here; anyone care to enlighten me? TIA.
When sonar is used, it can create sound pressure levels of 140dB 300 miles from the source . The sound is so excruciating that whales will surface too fast and get the bends, and/or beach themselves, just to escape the sound.
Yup, let's rape our irreplaceable planet some more while torturing innocent, intelligent creatures. After all, they aren't human, and our comfort, convenience, and entertainment are so much more important than their lives.
Rogers... one of the most evil corporations ever created.
I'm a Canadian, and I used to be a Rogers customer. Yes, they are evil, but they're nowhere near the top of the evilness ladder. Monsanto, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharma make companies like Rogers look positively saintly by comparison.
Never heard of 'butt dialing'?
I excel at problem solving, and have excellent verbal and written English communication and comprehension skills. Abstraction, (except for the mathematical kind), is a primary mode of thinking for me. I'm also versatile; I've been successful at analog, digital, and RF hardware design, authored and delivered well-received technical trainings, performed well in tech support, and have lots of troubleshooting and repair experience under my belt.
I also can't find employment beyond casual repair work. For me, even solid skills and a good track record haven't enabled me to get a job. YMMV.
Poison the well. Everybody, anywhere in the world, whether it be a government, corporation, or individual, needs to become skilled at disinformation. If everybody's default behaviour is to muddy the waters by generating all kinds of contradictory data, the background noise level becomes so high that discerning fact from fiction is very difficult. Governments and corporations already use this tactic against the population; I consider much of Prime Time and 'reality' television to be propaganda, a kind of cultural disease vector.
Given that the genie is out of the bottle and privacy is dead, it would be best for everybody to know everything about everybody else, until the data becomes meaningless because of its sheer volume and commonness. If all possible information about what's going on is available to everyone everywhere, then it becomes essentially worthless. But the TLAs and corporations won't let that happen - they'll always be one up on mere citizens when it comes to info gathering. So maybe it's time for everyone to start sowing disinformation. That would make the world really, really suck; but it would probably suck a lot less than it will if the ultimate goals of Big Brother are achieved.
...other input voltages than 5V are still not accepted, making battery powered applications unnecessarily difficult.
Yes, a range of, say, 5V to 15V would have been nice. But then they would have needed to add a 5V regulator that would be responsible not only for local regulation, but also for powering anything and everything attached to the four USB ports. Might be a bit much to ask of a small, inexpensive board.
I agree fully with your comment about using a micro USB connector for power though. That thing is awful, and it should be replaced with a real power connector.
What impact does file sharing have on the sales of DVD's and BluRay? I would expect advance availability to boost theatrical revenues, as the study indicates. But downloading likely has some negative effect on media sales post-release.
Of course, file sharing would have less of an impact if the industry's media model wasn't broken in so many ways - DRM, unskippable ads and warnings, laughably high prices, region locking, and any other ways movie makers have found to take careful aim before shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly by pissing off their increasingly non-captive audience.
As for theatrical releases, I very seldom go any more. I love the big screen, but I HATE the product ads, the self-serving propagandistic trivia games, and the over-priced snacks that ruin what would otherwise be an enjoyable evening out.
"explosives, flammable solvents, cocaine...
Depending on how specific their criteria, and how high they set the detection thresholds, the following people could be in for serious grief:
1) Gardeners and farmers - (nitrate compounds from fertilizer, + fuel oil from any of a dozen sources)
2) Painters, mechanics, people with Zippo lighters, people who use hand sanitizer, people who gas up their own vehicles - (flammable solvents)
3) Anyone who handles paper money (cocaine)
They'd be better off doing genetic research to figure out how to give us all the olfactory capabilities of blood hounds. Then none of us would have any secrets from each other. Of course, the ass-sniffing thing would get old pretty fast.
My thoughts exactly. A discussion of the merits of add-on vs built-in sound hardware is worthwhile on its own terms; but basing the discussion on a specific add-on card, with the flimsy excuse of one company's 25th anniversary, strikes me as blatant shilling.
FTA:
"I'll be explaining today why emergency legislation is needed to maintain powers to help keep us safe from those who would harm UK citizens."
— David Cameron
No need to explain, David. We all know this is just another excuse for more power-hoarding privacy invasion, and that "those who would harm UK citizens" are in fact you and your masters. Kindly stop pretending and man up. The only "emergency" here is the fear fantasy you're manufacturing and trying to get UK citizens to swallow.
But what about that ATM slot on the front of my computer?
Uh... I put that there. And, hey - thanks for all the money!
Normal humans are excluded from a lot of things.
1. Olympic Gold Medal 2. 5x Jeopardy Champion 3. Professional Concert Pianist 4. Bolshoi Ballet 5. Supermodel etc.
The idea is to find your niche in life and exploit it. Not call the whaaambulance.
Sure. But lots of people participate in sports, just not at the Olympic level. Lots of people play Jeopardy, play the piano, dance, and vamp for photos, to the betterment of their own lives and for the entertainment of both themselves and others. How many people are 'casual programmers' in the sense that they can do a little bit of programming to enrich their own lives and those of others in their immediate circle?
I see this as being more about moving away from excessive specialization and exclusiveness, rather than making all programming so simple that dedicated, hard working, deeply knowledgeable programmers are no longer required. We still need wizards to maintain, improve, and expand the underpinnings and structure of programming, and do the really complex stuff. But it's time for average people to have the ability to develop some basic applications, just as they can now produce photographs that two decades ago would have been the exclusive domain of professional photographers.
HUGE problem with this theory.
The power grid operates on incredibly tight tolerances with regard to frequency...
FTA: "It found fundamental differences in the structure of the harmonics of the 50 Hz which could be detected because Total Harmonic Distortion was strongly affected by local factors and had as a result little geographical consistency."
Not that any of this is likely to matter. Even if they had a unique spectrum capture of a specific location at a specific time for comparison purposes, turning one computer on, (or off), would totally change the harmonic signature appearing on the local wiring, thereby making the reference capture useless. And a vacuum cleaner running would really mess things up.
For anyone worried about this, running a randomly-swept audio generator through a frequency range of, say, 20 to 150 Hz, and injecting the signal into the audio capture at a level that is just audible without being too annoying, should seriously reduce any chances of the 'power line signature' being traced.
Now if someone is actually injecting a unique signal into the grid for a defined geographic area, countermeasures would be more involved. Recording in a very good Faraday cage, using battery power only, with no cables entering the Faraday cage from outside, would probably thwart any such attempts at tracking. The sweep-generator technique mentioned above would provide additional insurance. But now we're very far into tin-foil-hat territory.
But the government is intercepting data primarily from open protocols to do the spying. I don't think that closed source had anything to do with that.
That's only because they picked the low-hanging fruit first, and long-ago compromised closed-source with the sometimes-eager help of the companies who sell it.
More like Recycle Bin Laden
Replying to reverse a fumble-fingered mod. Meant to mod you up as Insightful - accidentally modded you down as Redundant. Sorry about that...