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NSA Considers Linux Journal Readers, Tor (And Linux?) Users "Extremists"

New submitter marxmarv writes If you search the web for communications security information, or read online tech publications like Linux Journal or BoingBoing, you might be a terrorist. The German publication Das Erste disclosed a crumb of alleged XKeyScore configuration, with the vague suggestion of more source code to come, showing that Tor directory servers and their users, and as usual the interested and their neighbor's dogs due to overcapture, were flagged for closer monitoring. Linux Journal, whose domain is part of a listed selector, has a few choice words on their coveted award. Would it be irresponsible not to speculate further?

361 comments

  1. FreeBSD by approachingZero+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One more reason to use FreeBSD.

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    1. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What, then you're daemonic

    2. Re:FreeBSD by approachingZero+ · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was meant to be funny, I'm sure they're watching everyone.

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    3. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OpenBSD = 100% terrorists, pedophiles, and schizophrenics.

      The voices in my head resent being called terrorists!

    4. Re: FreeBSD by bylund · · Score: 2

      The voices in my head use NetBSD.

    5. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      no we're not

    6. Re:FreeBSD by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      TempleOS is the choice OS for schizophrenics.

    7. Re:FreeBSD by countach · · Score: 4, Funny

      They don't flag the FreeBSDers for closer monitoring. They just send them straight to Guantanamo Bay.

    8. Re:FreeBSD by approachingZero+ · · Score: 1

      Very good. My bag is packed.

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    9. Re:FreeBSD by MrBingoBoingo · · Score: 2

      No. No true paranoid would use an OS where everything runs in ring 0.

    10. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Catholic Church just legitimized .exeorcism, so that's not a problem for long. It's back to painting church windows with led paint for me.

    11. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FreeBSD inherits the Unix legacy while Linux was written as an alternative under a specific "free" (eg GPL) political agenda.

      BSD/MIT licenses are "free" licenses, GPL licenses are not. Under certain conditions they are equal, but typically GPL means having political fights while BSD does not. Both can have their fights ultimately, but GPL has killed projects when people don't get along.

      Hence the term "Linux Zealot", someone who advocates Linux/GNU/GPL, even to the detriment of everyone who uses the project.

      I wouldn't immediately dismiss Linux out of hand, except that the political motivations often hamstring it's adoption beyond hobby/cheapness. Commercial scale use of Linux is often picked because it is the only choice due to to the stability of the drivers, but that same stability also causes products to never be upgraded/updated. If AMD and Intel were to develop drivers for FreeBSD, you'd then see many commercial uses of FreeBSD instead.

    12. Re:FreeBSD by davester666 · · Score: 2

      Well, we all are individual sleeper terrorist cells, just waiting to rise up when the right circumstances occur.

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    13. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BSD/MIT and GPL are all free.. but they are in different ways...

      GPL - The source and all mods should stay open for the world to see.. This is good for the project-community where fixes and new development is released back to the community..

      BSD/MIT - Take the code and do whatever you want with it.. This is good for the individual or company that wants something for free.. They can take it for free, make changes and then lock it down.

      The major points are:
      - The source-code should be kept free and not locked down. IE keep the code free.
      - The source-code should be free to do whatever. IE keep it free for the developer to do whatever they want with it..

      But i hate this discussion... If someone writes some code and releases it under the GPL because they do not want someone from taking it and using for their own commercial project then it's fine...

      If someone writes something just for the fun of it and gives it out as under a BSD-type license that's fine too....

      The most funny thing here is that most "closed source" fanatics are usually the ones that says bad things about GPL software because they cannot just take it and incorporate it into their product...

      Rememeber.. It's up to the creator of the source to choose what he allows other people to to do with it... It's not yours. the source is his and you only have a license to use it in the way he wants.. If you want something you have control over then write your own code.. then you can do what you want with it..

    14. Re:FreeBSD by aliquis · · Score: 2

      But the NSA is the only (?) terrorist group with armed aircraft drones.

    15. Re:FreeBSD by aliquis · · Score: 0

      They know BSD is dying and that the problem will take care of itself.

    16. Re: FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you know that using IP laws in a way that doesn't benefit huge corporations and venture capitalists is against the American Way (tm)?

    17. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, BoingBoing makes sense. Though I doubt any of Doctorow's comments constitute a threat to anything except the IQ points of anyone who inadvertently reads them.

    18. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen. I'll bet this website is also probably flagged too, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're prying into our histories as we speak. I wonder if I should call them and ask what extension I used for making youtube videos fullscreen? Otherwise, I'm gonna have to go diging through it myself...

    19. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like this dude?
      http://templeos.org/

  2. Yeah, right. by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's this story about an off-duty bridge officer aboard a large US military ship who, groggy after having to get up rather early, called the bridge and requested that the vehicle, some quarter of a million tons of steel, personnel and equipment, be rotated 15 degrees, all so he didn't have to move an inch to get the sun out of his eyes while he drank his coffee.

    Maybe whoever wrote that list merely wants to read the Linux Journal forums. Surely we're not pretending as if SELinux doesn't exist and that the NSA hasn't historically contributed to Linux. That would be a foolish thing to do. Of foolishness.

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    1. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Reading the definition. It seems designed to flag mentions of "tails" on linux journal forum.

    2. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have read the Linux Journal forums. Sorry, but I have to agree with them on this one.

    3. Re:Yeah, right. by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      There's this story about an off-duty bridge officer aboard a large US military ship who, groggy after having to get up rather early, called the bridge and requested that the vehicle, some quarter of a million tons of steel, personnel and equipment, be rotated 15 degrees, all so he didn't have to move an inch to get the sun out of his eyes while he drank his coffee.

      Maybe whoever wrote that list merely wants to read the Linux Journal forums. Surely we're not pretending as if SELinux doesn't exist and that the NSA hasn't historically contributed to Linux. That would be a foolish thing to do. Of foolishness.

      Keep in mind that management is often divorced from reality. I'm sure that applies to the NSA as well.

    4. Re:Yeah, right. by davydagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you don't understand how these people work, and how they think.

      The concept of a scientific investigation as seen on CSI is a work of creative fiction, nothing more. The capablities of the US government to deter threats including profiling the target with the largest brush feasibly possible, then trying to fuck with the people who fall under whatever target they made up enough that they point fingers at someone else, and whoever has the most fingers in their dirrection looses.

      Hypocrisy and the fact that they might be targeting their best chances to do what most people think they do is not relivant.

      After they label people as "extremists", they then use excedingly long jail sentances, other threats, and attempts to ruin their social lives, and a split from mainstream society as leverage to get these people to work for the NSA or other government or capitalist agencies.

      They can then denounce everyone not explicitly helping them as terrorists.

      The fact that most nerds, anyways still say "fuck the system" is a tribute to moral character, more absolute ideas of freedom, and knowledge of history that isn't dependant on the 2 year TV news election cycle, is a tribute to the moral fiber of the computer enthusiast, something that mainstream society lacks.

    5. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely we're not pretending as if SELinux doesn't exist and that the NSA hasn't historically contributed to Linux.

      You misunderstand. That's simply proof that people interested in Linux are terrorists. ;)

      And I can't find it now, but didn't the NSA or FBI or some other TLA also advocate for use of TOR by foreign citizens trying to circumvent their own governments? Again, people interested in TOR (in this case, the NSA and/or FBI) are terrorists. ;)

    6. Re:Yeah, right. by ctheme · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'm not exactly contributing to the topic at hand, but felt compelled to give a source for your story. It's a reddit post from earlier this year. Here is the relevant portion:

      I was once on a US military ship, having breakfast in the wardroom (officers lounge) when the Operations Officer (OPS) walks in. This guy was the definition of NOT a morning person; he's still half asleep, bleary eyed... basically a zombie with a bagel. He sits down across from me to eat his bagel and is just barely conscious. My back is to the outboard side of the ship, and the morning sun is blazing in one of the portholes putting a big bright-ass circle of light right on his barely conscious face. He's squinting and chewing and basically just remembering how to be alive for today. It's painful to watch.

      But then zombie-OPS stops chewing, slowly picks up the phone, and dials the bridge. In his well-known I'm-still-totally-asleep voice, he says "heeeey. It's OPS. Could you... shift our barpat... yeah, one six five. Thanks." And puts the phone down. And then he just sits there. Squinting. Waiting.

      And then, ever so slowly, I realize that that big blazing spot of sun has begun to slide off the zombie's face and onto the wall behind him. After a moment it clears his face and he blinks slowly a few times and the brilliant beauty of what I've just witnessed begins to overwhelm me. By ordering the bridge to adjust the ship's back-and-forth patrol by about 15 degrees, he's changed our course just enough to reposition the sun off of his face. He's literally just redirected thousands of tons of steel and hundreds of people so that he could get the sun out of his eyes while he eats his bagel. I am in awe.

      Cue downmods and comments of "Slashdot has literally become reddit."

    7. Re:Yeah, right. by geniice · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Eh its got more to do with nerds tending towards white and middle class and thus generaly being left alone by the system.

    8. Re:Yeah, right. by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      That's the one! I would've posted the source but I'd only seen it as an image and didn't remember what to search for. Thanks.

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    9. Re: Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's this story of some Slashdot poster being so stupid as to not even realize how ridiculous a comment about a quarter million ton naval vessel is.

    10. Re:Yeah, right. by davydagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      oh yeah, your right. I mean no nerd ever killed them selves facing 35 to life for technical infractions related to accessing publicly available scientific files.

      No nerd ever lost their job, and is on the run from US law enforcement for exposing unethical mass survialence and harrassment by the US Government.

      No nerd was ever arrested for trying to do the right thing and exposing unethical or dangerous computer behavior.

      No nerd was ever arrested for modifying his own video game system, that he bought, and then blabbing about it on the internet.

      No nerd was ever targeted for being either a terrorist or a school shooter by rampant paranoia from authorities.

      but yeah, your right, nerds are left alone by the system.

    11. Re:Yeah, right. by countach · · Score: 1

      I can't think of any military ship that would be anywhere near a quarter of a million tons.

    12. Re:Yeah, right. by dragonfly_blue · · Score: 1

      >> Cue downmods and comments of "Slashdot has literally become reddit."

      You mean, except for the interface. Right?

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    13. Re:Yeah, right. by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      My mistake; the original text merely said "thousands." See ctheme's comment.

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    14. Re: Yeah, right. by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      I believe you'll find it's spelled "navel vassal."

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    15. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    16. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    17. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There will be a point that people snap from this, there will be a point when the masses realize that this terrorism propaganda is nothing more then bullshit, are there terrorists YES, but the claims by the US that there are "sleeper cells" and it is worldwide chaos is complete bullshit. For all their efforts to "combat and monitor" terrorism they've managed to obtain no advantage or information on anything that claims it is a national security threat.

      They went around arresting innocent Americans with their wild imaginations after 9/11 and those people never saw a day in court. Nor was there any evidence that directly linked them to terrorist activities. If you (I do) smoked pot, or used heroin you were a terrorist supporter, if you bought gasoline that wasn't labeled "American" you were a terrorist supporter, this went on for years always with some new spin off.

      It sounds dangerously close to the same shit they pulled off with communism. Going after authors, film makers, radio, pretty much any and all media, including people that speculated or openly criticized their government/politicians, AKA Censorship. They went after the Civil Rights movement claiming they were communists, when all they did was point a finger and asked why only certain people had free rights, they did it with the "hippie" movement, they went after the Black Panthers labeling them as a terrorist group, and the Black Panthers were a neighborhood watch group that got tired of watching their own people being beaten down by cops, and other white folks.

      My point is you can only forcibly push and dictate people around for so long before it reaches a critical state, that state will lead to chaos, people fighting back using force as opposed to our defunct justice system, the only time it seems to work is when the press get a hold of some story and it becomes national outrage that the courts then decide to make the proper ruling/judgement on a certain case.

      And to throw another twist in this. What makes me dumbfounded by people in this country is they dont trust government but yet they believe what their government tells them!

    18. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BORDER CRISIS between slashdot and reddit...

    19. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one your mom is stationed on.

    20. Re: Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're absolutely right in that this kind of stuff can only go on for so long until people actually DO something about it.

      Question is, when does it get to that point? Because I know a lot of highly intelligent people that were predicting revolts/revolutions for the last decade now and I really don't see that happening just yet.

      Given the NRA rhetoric you'd think by now there would be 10 million Americans storming the White House with AR-15s but all they are doing so far is going to Starbucks and Target...

    21. Re: Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nerds deserve to be treated like the lunatic, misogynistic scum they are. Targeting them for any kind of abuse is simply appropriate. It's high time aspies be categorized as a threat to society and dealt with accordingly. Until then, social isolation is the best course of action.

    22. Re: Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Highly intelligent people"? ROTFL. Compared to you, maybe. We call them lunatic and ignorant morons, which is exactly what they are.

    23. Re: Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *golf clap* 4.8/5 ...nicely done.

    24. Re:Yeah, right. by geniice · · Score: 0

      Thing is by the standards of the average housing project that's "tuesday".

    25. Re:Yeah, right. by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      you don't understand how these people work, and how they think.

      And, you do?...Not.

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    26. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, since 2001, 9/11, and the DHS reorg, not only has NSA, a branch of DOD, been roped into being an arm of law enforcement more fully, but a LOT of the management and technical savvy of the NSA has revolving-doored out from the agency itself into the employ/management of private and public corporations now controlled by foreign interests. The same ones building the backends to ACA and other government control grids. So, the neo-con (aka Nazi) ploy only hastened the liberal (aka Maoist/Leninist) agenda. Sorta like 2 hands greasing each others' palms. Really slick, although extremely disconcerting.

      NSA ain't the only place this happened, either.

    27. Re:Yeah, right. by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      You didn't go far enough. Many of the people in control at these agencies are of average stupidity and somewhat greater than average paranoia, and they fear and distrust smart people just for being smart. They are political hacks who kissed up to the right politicians in the right ways. One of their qualities is blind loyalty to their masters. This problem was at its worst during the Bush administration. Remember how it was nearly treasonous merely to argue against going to war in Iraq? We had little choice but to watch the idiots charge into the War of Choice.

      They want smart people on their side, but constantly fear that those same people might turn traitor according to a very broad definition of treason. They want those smart people thinking only about the technical details and not any larger implications. They reserve for themselves the right to think about larger pictures as long as they aren't too large, and seem to really believe that's acceptable. They and their masters do the thinking and smart people are supposed to do nothing else other than make it happen. They are blindly loyal to their masters, and expect their underlings to show the same blind loyalty to them. A smart person just thinking about larger pictures is potentially treasonous. They also want contradictory things, and will suspect inability to accomplish two opposing goals could be treachery. You could do it if you really wanted to, and you're just giving them bull, is what they're wont to think. Why don't you want to do it? They think smart people can do almost anything, particularly black hat stuff. But at the same time they constantly suspect incompetence, especially when hearing protests that something is impossible. They actually want to see smart people humbled on occasion and when they think they've seen a mistake, they jump all over it, indulge in a bit of bashing just to enjoy bringing a smart person down to their level. Sometimes they resort to threats, think that can make things happen. They totally fail to see their own double standards and hypocrisies, and that their thinking is irrational, stupid, and vicious, and drives smart people away.

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    28. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Keep in mind that management is often divorced from reality. I'm sure that applies to the NSA as well.

      Management can do a lot of harm. See if people remember Stalin -- heck, he's having an impact NOW for removing Ukrainians from Crimea and filling it up with Russians!

      The situation is getting grimmer by the second. It's up now to Americans to stop "National Security" before it devours everyone. Ever hired a bodyguard who was so good at killing you started to fear for your life?

      Of course, spying capabilities are needed by several countries; however, control must be maintained or the consequences will be bad -- and maybe not for the enemies... by the way, who says who is the enemy? Beware of auto-immune diseases!

    29. Re:Yeah, right. by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I'd like to mod this comment up even though that might make me seem like a terrorist.

      Some of the best people I know seem to be on that list these days. Sounds like the Founding Fathers would fit in the same category.

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    30. Re:Yeah, right. by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      While there may be a lot of minorities over represented in the Penal system -- you get on the wrong end of the law and you are suddenly one of the minorities. If you go the route of contesting your guilt, you face higher penalties fines and punishment than if you just cop a plea. Being innocent is painful and expensive. How many people just say; "You are right, I'm a bad boy" because it was bankrupting them? Only people with means can afford to be innocent. It's easy to believe the system is fair as long as you never get on the wrong end of it. The accusation becomes the reputation which rationalizes the punishment.

      I can't imagine if the Feds wanted to make an example with me, and their credibility were on the line. "Tipping the scales" because they want to make an arrest easy and 'get the bad guy' -- I can imagine that happens more often than not. There's a lot of financial and career pressure on enforcement -- and I'm sure to get cyber criminals and whistleblowers, regardless of merit, is even greater.

      As someone said; it's probably got little to do with investigation, and more coercing people to give up associates who MIGHT be guilty, and then leaning on them until they get somewhere. Like the drug war, that friendly recreational drug dealer that supplied your party gets squeezed and their life ruined to get SOMEONE. I suspect intimidation and thuggery is more useful than detective work.

      So, suffice to say, if your parents aren't totally politically connected and rich -- you aren't the precious white boy if you are a nerd in the cross hairs of the Fed or NSA. You are at least going to be collateral damage because Uncle Sam isn't spending a few billion on this agency not to have results. Again, just like the inquisition finding a witch -- it doesn't matter if you've actually consorted with Satan.

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    31. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have just described Silicon Valley management.

    32. Re: Yeah, right. by davydagger · · Score: 1

      you mean like catching rapists who broadcast their deeds online. I mean terrible, its some sort of violation of the bro code.

    33. Re:Yeah, right. by davydagger · · Score: 1

      I think at this point if your not on a terrorist list, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

    34. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've made it abundantly clear that the very notion of freedom disgusts them. Why do you think they continue these unconstitutional programs, and attack anyone who tries to secure their privacy?

  3. Extreme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I do feel kind of extreme. Extremely awesome for being a Linux user!

    1. Re:Extreme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, me, and every other Super Villian, bro!

    2. Re:Extreme? by chispito · · Score: 2

      I do feel kind of extreme. Extremely awesome for being a Linux user!

      Most Linux users do.

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    3. Re:Extreme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait till you see an AIX admin

    4. Re:Extreme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Linux users do.

      lololol you're right.. we do. *spins the cube* "Weeee!"

    5. Re:Extreme? by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 1

      What I am is More Than Words.

      The NSA are just a Hole Hearted organisation Run with way too much Money. I wish they would just chill out and Play With Me and do the Decadence Dance. If not, then they can just Get the Funk Out.

      Time for me to watch some more Pornograffitti.

    6. Re:Extreme? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      They label us as religious extremisms for our belief in the power of the source and trying to force our beliefs onto others (that may be why they mention Linux but not BSD.)

    7. Re:Extreme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want Extreme? I've been extreme for 16 years now!!! Gnu/Linux is the best thing since Fish and 3 Veges.
      BTW, I use Puppy Gnu/Linux. What a ripper.

  4. It's not what you think by tyggna · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They're looking for potential hires. What better pool to pull from than technical terrorists?

  5. I'm finally Extreme by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    Too bad it's not slang for groovy radically bodacious these days.

  6. BINGO! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    My whole card's filled out!

    I guess that makes me Cyber Bin Laden?

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    1. Re:BINGO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More like Recycle Bin Laden

    2. Re:BINGO! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

      -sh: /usr/bin/laden: not found

      Muahahaha! >:-D

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    3. Re:BINGO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that makes me usr bin Laden?

      ftfy

      kill -9 `/usr/bin/Laden`

    4. Re:BINGO! by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Actually they are all just in fear of our /root powers.

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    5. Re:BINGO! by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      My whole card's filled out!

      Now go outside and hold it up high to claim your prize.

    6. Re:BINGO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were too late a few years ago. He died non-violently in December 2001 from kidney failure.

    7. Re:BINGO! by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Funny
    8. Re:BINGO! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Osama Bin Hacken

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    9. Re:BINGO! by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds cool until they show up and kill -9 your ass.

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    10. Re:BINGO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You win the internet for the day.

    11. Re:BINGO! by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      More like Recycle Bin Laden

      Replying to reverse a fumble-fingered mod. Meant to mod you up as Insightful - accidentally modded you down as Redundant. Sorry about that...

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    12. Re:BINGO! by gargleblast · · Score: 2

      kill -9 `/usr/bin/Laden`

      I'm looking for something like: moderate .. -1 "unix newbie"

    13. Re:BINGO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHA!

  7. neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so, can the government now confiscate their own bank accounts for financing terrorists?

    1. Re:neat by mu51c10rd · · Score: 2

      so, can the government now confiscate their own bank accounts for financing terrorists?

      Would there be anything there to confiscate?

  8. BINGO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess that makes me usr bin Laden?

    ftfy

  9. Not a big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    With people like Richard Stallman at forefront, who can blame them?

    1. Re:Not a big surprise by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With people like Richard Stallman at forefront, who can blame them?

      You mean the guy screamed about the government spying on us and that we can't trust closed source anything for decades. Guess what he turned out to be right.

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    2. Re: Not a big surprise by chromeronin799 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, he is not only a dirty commie, But a neck beard hippy too. Why not add terrorits to his list. 8) just remember that without peaceful liberal extremists there can be no middle ground against the conservative fascists.

    3. Re:Not a big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you're correctly paranoid doesn't mean you're not crazy.

    4. Re:Not a big surprise by jader3rd · · Score: 0

      You mean the guy screamed about the government spying on us and that we can't trust closed source anything for decades. Guess what he turned out to be right.

      But the government is intercepting data primarily from open protocols to do the spying. I don't think that closed source had anything to do with that.

    5. Re:Not a big surprise by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are few greater crimes in the US than being right when the right answer isn't popular. Ask any Vietnam war protester or George Carlin about airport security.

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    6. Re:Not a big surprise by jenningsthecat · · Score: 3, Informative

      But the government is intercepting data primarily from open protocols to do the spying. I don't think that closed source had anything to do with that.

      That's only because they picked the low-hanging fruit first, and long-ago compromised closed-source with the sometimes-eager help of the companies who sell it.

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    7. Re:Not a big surprise by Megol · · Score: 1

      Sources for that claim PLZ?

    8. Re:Not a big surprise by jeIlomizer · · Score: 1

      I don't see where RMS is crazy at all.

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    9. Re:Not a big surprise by emj · · Score: 2

      Sources for that claim PLZ?

      RSA, Cisco?

  10. Silver Lining by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally someone pays attention to us Linux folk!

    1. Re:Silver Lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NSA - proof your government does listen to you.

  11. Extremist, says who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article and summary _ARE_ extremist by making the outlandish assumption that the intelligence community is interested in ONE thing and everything related to one search criterion is labeled as such.

    Applying the same logic to someone's Google search for "stuffed linux penguin", it'd be like claiming they think penguins are operating systems.

  12. News Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NSA closely monitoring /.

    1. Re:News Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? To laugh at us?

    2. Re:News Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crap. I follow /. and use linux, I must be a double threat. Wait, there's some black suv's with funny antenna's on the roof outside, noooo.

    3. Re:News Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's just the punctuation police triangulating your unlicensed apostrophe emissions.

    4. Re:News Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      57 65 27 72 65 20 57 61 74 63 68 69 6E 67 20 59 6F 75 2E

    5. Re:News Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can closely monitor quite a lot of things... but then, there are mostly many other sides to it. ;}

    6. Re:News Flash by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      NSA closely monitoring /.

      well in that case one thing to say to the NSA '); DROP TABLE 'lister king of smeg';--,

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  13. Year of the linux extremist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, this is the year of the linux extremist. Stone every windows infidel! Show Darwinists how well their Mac burns!

    1. Re:Year of the linux extremist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before you send SWAT teams: this was intended as a JOKE.

    2. Re:Year of the linux extremist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too late, SWAT team's on their way.

      - Spook

      P.S. you might want to take this time to lock up your pets

  14. Magazine by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That sounds like a good name for a magazine: "Linux Extremist"

    1. Re:Magazine by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I do recall a magazine called 'Linux Extreme'

    2. Re:Magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously though, where do I sign up? ;-D

    3. Re:Magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of an oldie but goodie:

      Dr. Fun from 1996 Dec 20

    4. Re:Magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once considered starting a pro-commuter-cycling group called "Bicycle Jihad". Someone talked me out of it. That was more than twenty years ago.

      OK, that's a lie, no one talked me out of it. Someone expressed opposition and I'm not really very good at following up with my ideas.

  15. Year of the Linux Extremist? by inhuman_4 · · Score: 1

    Year of the Linux Extremist?

    That has got me curious. I wonder how many terror groups use linux?

    1. Re:Year of the Linux Extremist? by spacepimp · · Score: 2

      Linux Fundamentalist is the term.

    2. Re:Year of the Linux Extremist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's starting read like a Linux version of the Chinese zodiac.

      Year of the Zealot
      Year of the Desktop
      Year of the Extremist ...

    3. Re:Year of the Linux Extremist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not it's really extremism; a fundamentalist Linux developer community would not have produce something that replace many small daemons and assorted config files with a more integrated monolithic process, that store it's configuration in a binary format by default.

  16. oh god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i read Linux magazine , i use tor and worse than other , i am from Iran . oh god ! i have no doubt.they should list my name beside bin laden .

    1. Re:oh god by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I cant imagine how you can find spare time amidst all of your jihadding to post on slashdot...

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    2. Re:oh god by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      It is all about taking EP to another level.

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  17. We're all Terrorists by BlueTemplar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At this point, I think I'm not going to be too far away from the mark by saying that if you're not part of the USA' "Military-Industrial Complex", then you're a terrorist.

    1. Re:We're all Terrorists by Dishevel · · Score: 1, Troll

      Snowden was a part of the USA' "Military-Industrial Complex", and he is a terrorist.

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    2. Re:We're all Terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and that mere comment just confirmed you ARE a moron.

    3. Re:We're all Terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      flamebait?

    4. Re:We're all Terrorists by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Funny
      Oh.

      Thank you for your comment. I really appreciate the way ACs are not only so free with their opinions, but I have noticed that almost without fail they always offer tons of well researched supporting facts to back up their opinions.

      That coupled with their awesome grasp of humor and their perfect recognition of sarcasm makes me value opinions of ACs like you so very much.

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    5. Re:We're all Terrorists by BlueTemplar · · Score: 1

      Hey, I never said that if you _were_ part of the USA' "Military-Industrial Complex", you couldn't be a terrorist as well! Don't underestimate their paranoia...

    6. Re:We're all Terrorists by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      I never do. I was just specifically pointing out that everyone is a terrorist.

      The NSA should look more deeply into my grandson. He is quite good at terrorizing sometimes.

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    7. Re:We're all Terrorists by BlueTemplar · · Score: 1

      Well, of course! Don't forget, I'm an extremist after all!

    8. Re:We're all Terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joe better keep a watch out for the black helicopters.

    9. Re:We're all Terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowden was part of the USA' "Military-Industrial Complex", and he is a terrorist.

      In other words, the moment he stopped being part of the machine, the machine turned against him.

    10. Re:We're all Terrorists by Megol · · Score: 0

      Just like you then? Ever thought of posting as AC?

      Both of your claims are wrong BTW using the standard definitions of the terms. Support for that? Go google them yourself...

    11. Re:We're all Terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then, we need to change the dictionary word.

      Terrorist : a person with a normal life that doesn't work for the NSA.

    12. Re:We're all Terrorists by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      So not true. If you are part of the USA "Prison Industrial Complex" you are exempt.

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    13. Re:We're all Terrorists by BlueTemplar · · Score: 1

      I like this one!

  18. Playing it Safe by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 0
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  19. Can you blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you want weird you go where the weirdos are.

  20. Underlying cause? by no-body · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are they in any way successful in catching "terrorists"?

    Hardly - maybe they caught one guy in - was it San Diego - to give money to some far away organization labeled as well, offensive/dangerous in some way (don't recall all details).

    There was also a hearing and a lied number of 20-isch? was admitted but later debunked.

    So - all in all, the tremendous snooping effort is not showing much result and essentially being a flop.

    Remedy: Increase effort in more and more complex systems.

    Otherwise, maybe it's just inner need for control, power and conditioned thinking which motivates and attracts humans to participate in this nonsense (religions come to mind following the same principle).
    Actually a very dangerous route this is taking - thought control (if you THINK that, you are...) and modeled prediction of events based on secret procedures

    1. Re:Underlying cause? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, somebody has to keep all these peeping toms employed, right?

    2. Re:Underlying cause? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      So - all in all, the tremendous snooping effort is not showing much result and essentially being a flop.

      For whom?

      - Count de Monet

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    3. Re:Underlying cause? by Zordak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So - all in all, the tremendous snooping effort is not showing much result and essentially being a flop.

      I don't know about that. I'm sure it's been about as successful as J. Edgar Hoover's mid-century communism witch hunts, which had more to do with propping up Hoover's own personal empire than with catching communists.

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    4. Re:Underlying cause? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorism is the red herring used to distract the masses from the real purpose of domestic spying: political gain.

    5. Re:Underlying cause? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re 'Actually a very dangerous route this is taking - thought control (if you THINK that, you are...) and modeled prediction of events based on secret procedures"
      "IRS policy that targeted political groups also aimed at open source projects" (July 3 2014)
      http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...
      So a person codes in the freedom of their basement, free time and uploads quality code to the world for free.
      Slowly self radicalizing? A cult like mascot and forming deeper emotional links to incompatible European views on intellectual property.
      At university? Talks to the press? Goes to European Open Source conferences?
      Would that make any code contributor a freedom fighter to be watched?
      Thats a lot of new funding for some gov or mil budget and a flood of new informants to turn.
      Does they live in a state with a farm? Tack on some nice Ag-gag findings. (agricultural anti-whistleblower laws, gag: prevent speech)
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      State got a mil base, site, camp? Pass the details onto base security.

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    6. Re:Underlying cause? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      It was well documented after the fall of the Soviet Union that there was a powerful network of communist infiltrators within the US government, and that Sen. McCarthy was right, though he had a horrible clumsy way of acting in reaction to it. Also, read about The Venona Project. The Rosenbergs deserved to die, they were guilty.

    7. Re:Underlying cause? by Megol · · Score: 1

      Clumsy? I guess the nazis were horrible clumsy too then?

      He and his ilk were not clumsy - they destroyed the lives of a huge number of people that didn't fit into the Amerikkkan ideals. Many of the harassed people were Jews too and (given the documented facts about McCarthy and fans) that was probably not coincidental.

    8. Re:Underlying cause? by jeIlomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It was well documented after the fall of the Soviet Union that there was a powerful network of communist infiltrators within the US government, and that Sen. McCarthy was right, though he had a horrible clumsy way of acting in reaction to it.

      Clumsy? People's fundamental liberties were violated. No matter how 'safe' that makes us, that's more criminal than clumsy.

      The Rosenbergs deserved to die, they were guilty.

      I don't see how the former follows from the latter, because I don't believe in government thugs executing people to begin with.

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    9. Re:Underlying cause? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Hardly - maybe they caught one guy in - was it San Diego - to give money to some far away organization labeled as well, offensive/dangerous in some way (don't recall all details).

      Ironically the former head of the NSA was a person that was giving large sums of money to the Provisional IRA not long after they attempted to blow up Maggie Thatcher.

    10. Re:Underlying cause? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      He was clumsy. His attention seeking witch hunt aimed at getting him into the White House failed when he started calling US war heroes traitors. He did a lot of damage before that implosion.

    11. Re:Underlying cause? by Zordak · · Score: 1

      Well, I didn't actually say anything about Senator McCarthy. It is true that there were communist infiltrators, and it is true that the Rosenbergs were guilty. I'm talking about J. Edgar Hoover, who had secret files on pretty much every person in power in America. Like that dangerous communist, John F. Kennedy, for example, who knew not to mess with J. Edgar because J. Edgar could prove that Jack was bedding two or three different women a week. How many current politicians know not to mess with the NSA, because they know the NSA could scuttle their careers?

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    12. Re:Underlying cause? by marxmarv · · Score: 1

      It was also well-documented after WWII that there was a powerful network of industrialists trying to defend their privileges in capitalism, and that the John J. Birch Society was a creation of the same Koch family that bankrolled climate denialism and the Tea Party movement.

      If we're going to play G-d and hand out deserts, you're right, Alyssa Rosenberg did deserve to be executed (but, sadly, wasn't).

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  21. Well, of course by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you dare to not follow the herd, think for yourself, make up your mind by yourself without the aid of government "guided" media, of course you must be an extremist.

    It's frightening how close the US already got to the USSR of old.

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    1. Re:Well, of course by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's frightening how close the US already got to the USSR of old.

      I don't know.

      I think the in days of the USSR, the citizens didn't believe the propaganda. Whereas a lot of Americans seem to think "why, we have to do this to stop the terrorists".

      Convincing people to buy into it is quite a feat.

      Basically the NSA has decreed anybody who disagrees with their methods and scope must be an extremist.

      I predict in less than 10 years any form of dissent, or privacy will be completely gone in the West. And then we're all harmless sheep, which is exactly what they want.

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    2. Re:Well, of course by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you dare to not follow the herd, think for yourself, make up your mind by yourself without the aid of government "guided" media, of course you must be an extremist.

      It's frightening how close the US already got to the USSR of old.

      Oh, irony.

      See, a rational person would have looked at what's going and concluded that the NSA's position is "of course you're more likely to be an extremist" rather than "of course you must be an extremist". But self-styled "free-thinkers" such as yourself always seem to tend toward these extreme, paranoid views that barely resemble the actual situation. It's almost as if you tended towards extremism or something.

    3. Re:Well, of course by Flavianoep · · Score: 2

      It's frightening how close the US already got to the USSR of old.

      I don't know.

      I think the in days of the USSR, the citizens didn't believe the propaganda. Whereas a lot of Americans seem to think "why, we have to do this to stop the terrorists".

      Soon will come the time when they will not need to convince anyone anymore.

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    4. Re:Well, of course by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Soon will come the time when they will not need to convince anyone anymore.

      Yes, because they'll have arrested anybody who disagrees with them, and all that is left will be people too scared to say anything or who agree.

      The NSA is the enemy of freedom and liberty, they just act like they're defending it.

      And, yeah, some desk weenie has probably flipped a switch that says I'm an extremist -- what they don't realize is the more they do this shit, the more they'll create extremists.

      What's really pathetic is how many Americans are buying into this, when not 20 years there would have been outrage.

      Really, and truly, on 9/11 the terrorists got exactly what they wanted -- the destruction of Western societies as we knew it, and the rise of Americans saying "we don't give a crap about the rest of the world, we're scared". Sadly, that will create a backlash of people saying "we don't give a crap about the US, now piss off".

      There's no going back from this kind of thing.

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    5. Re: Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We live in feminist countries anyway so who cares. Our societies aren't really for us. We can't marry nice cute young girls. The sooner we die the better.

    6. Re:Well, of course by purpledinoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what is the actual situation? The searching for terrorists is probably not the only thing the data is used for. I'm sure the data is used for various nefarious purposes, such as industrial espionage, political espionage, blackmail. Maybe figuring out the sentiment of the population and their likelihood to breakout into mass protest. I'm sure they're doing some non-evil research too. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a database identifying people who are against the status quo of the Democrat/Republican duopoly, and feeding that data to the media outlets so they run stories smearing any third party candidates. That's a bit farfetched, but everything the NSA was confirmed to be doing was also farfetched before Snowden leaked those documents.

    7. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, yeah, some desk weenie has probably flipped a switch that says I'm an extremist -- what they don't realize is the more they do this shit, the more they'll create extremists.

      Maybe that's exactly what they want ...

    8. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Obama is in charge of the NSA, so they must be good. Right?

    9. Re:Well, of course by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I used to think that way, but more and more I think it's going the other way.

      Governments seldom get anything right. Look at the NSA. It's big, it's grabbing data so fast that it has 1.) Nowhere to put it and 2.) Nothing to analyze it with.

      Meanwhile, the general population is growing data at exponential rates AND is increasing its own awareness of government's interest AND is taking steps to muck things up for the NSA.

      In my view, the people are smarter than their government.

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    10. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the problem ? You stole the medievalist's oil, now shut up and experience their way of policing. Because that is the root cause of all this shit - mixing up with Sunni Islam.

    11. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on man, please. Speak for yourself! :>

    12. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's frightening how close the US already got to the USSR of old"
      Ah, but this behavioral 'evolution' was identified in the early 40s by Kurt Gödel.
      Honest, who believes in 'the country of liberty and justice for all' ??? this could well a quotation from the Pravda.
      Actualy, the real difference between USA and USSR lies in the fact that ciizens of the latter never believed in the lies of their government.

    13. Re:Well, of course by Sique · · Score: 2

      Actually no. A rational person would think: See, the NSA tries to keep an eye on everyone that is more likely to find a way out of their dragnet, and because it's politically not very easy to label them "not easy to spy on", they use the catch-all phrase "extremist".

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    14. Re:Well, of course by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      I think the in days of the USSR, the citizens didn't believe the propaganda.

      I think that most USSR citizens did believe it. Many people outside the USSR like H.G.Wells and old-style socialists like my (British) grandfather even believed it. The impression that they did not is due to the coverage that the Western media gave (and still gives) to the minority dissidents.

    15. Re:Well, of course by DMJC · · Score: 2

      Follow the Herd? you must be GNU here?

    16. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what they don't realize is the more they do this shit, the more they'll create extremists.

      The very same has been pointed out about air strikes against targets in foreign soil.

    17. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I use the hurd I must be an uber-extremist. I even use pseudo-foreign hyphenated words. Pretty scary ?

    18. Re:Well, of course by dragonfly_blue · · Score: 1

      I must also be extremely extremist, unlike all o' these *amateur* milquetoast extremists you see around these days.

      I say "Debian GNU/Linux" out loud even.

      I would ask somebody "Greetings & Salutations, friend. How is that MIPS/ARM cross-compilation of the GNU/hurd kernel & toolchain coming along?"

      This is of course to appease Her Majesty "savannah", which is either extremely gnu or extremely non-gnu of me.

      Basically, I guess I'm just a hipster. Perhaps a radical, extremist hipster who deserves to be on all these watch lists, but pretty much just a hipster.

      ( Also, to pre-emptively appease RMS, I make a pan flute burnt offering, hopefully before he can play it. )

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    19. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the in days of the USSR, the citizens didn't believe the propaganda..

      Are you sure about that?
      I know this is becoming off-topic, but if you take a look at the situation in the current Russian Federation then you will see that they see themselves as the glorious victors of the second world war, like they single-handedly beat the axis forces, never committed crimes against humanity with their gulags and always have the moral high ground. So if the citizens didn't believe the propaganda then their descendants must have, since they're carrying the old same propaganda on and on. Look at the situation in the Ukraine, where the official stance is that Crimea was liberated from the fascist usurper of the throne, while their own National Bolshevist stance is absolutely fine.
      They're watching homosexuals in public, stifling their freedom of expression, since their governments approach on human rights is to protect children from the harmful influence of the disease called homosexuality. I'm sure that they would do pretty much the same as the NSA does if they had the technological capabilities and infrastructure to do so.

      Look, I'm not saying that what the NSA does is fine, I'm just saying that the "east" was and isn't any better. If you think that then you've possibly fallen for their current propaganda from sources like their government funded RT broadcast.

    20. Re:Well, of course by Megol · · Score: 1

      Well they ARE the glorious victors of the second world war! And they payed for that victory with a lot of blood. Thinking otherwise is believing US-centric propaganda.

      That doesn't absolve them from previous and current crimes against humanity.

    21. Re:Well, of course by jeIlomizer · · Score: 1

      See, a rational person would have looked at what's going and concluded that the NSA's position is "of course you're more likely to be an extremist" rather than "of course you must be an extremist".

      Which is also a bullshit position. Actually, a rational thinker's position would be, "They're just using this as another excuse to violate the constitution and people's fundamental liberties."

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    22. Re:Well, of course by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      They did believe it. My mother says that when she was in her 20s, she very much believed that she was living in the best country in the world. It took five years of Komsomol career to begin to notice the discrepancies in the message, and that largely because she got acquainted with some of the elite party kids and saw how they lived.

    23. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > on 9/11 the terrorists got exactly what they wanted

      So true. Now think, who has created more fear in you: a handful of fanatics that managed to hijack some planes, or your government?

      A terrorist is someone that uses terror and fear to pursue his objectives. Don't fall on the trap, refuse to be afraid.

    24. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... you're more likely to be an extremist ..

      This is wrong on so many levels.

      In other news, people feeling lonely, cold and wet are more likely to be in the Atlantic ocean. This is just the NSA using a sneaky version of 'Correlation == causation'. I won't ask how the NSA determined that linux was more predictive than windows, unix, MacOS. News networks blame violence and terrorism on social isolation, gun culture, video games, pornography, international travel, Islam (but rarely Christianity) and lately, psychiatric conditions. None of these loud-mouthed pundits have blamed the operating system. I suspect those news networks can't get a 'How to spot a Linux extremist' PSA past their lawyers.

      But I am reminded of the pointless truism that 'mathematically speaking, half of people are below average'. Now extremism isn't simply the bottom-half but more of a standard deviation cut-off: The top-quarter plus the bottom-quarter. The bottom-quarter of the population will be caught or killed by their own stupidity. Which leaves all the people with the intelligence to contradict the sheeple that ideologues must belittle and imprison in their war against drugs/terrorism/piracy/pedophiles. You know people like Albert Einstein, Isaac Asimov, Robert Oppenheimer, John Lennon, Martin Luther King: They all disagreed with the government policies of the day.

    25. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Irony yourself. Actually, a rational person would know that "more likely" is not how people work.

      You can try all you want to use statistics to determine people's behavior, but it is always a lie.

      People are not rational. Survival, emotion, and instinct are part of us.

      "Extremist" itself is an irrational label, devoid of any meaning.

      Extreme what? Extremely sane? Extremely moderate? Extremely law-abiding? Extremely freedom-loving?

      What is the parent paranoid of that you think is unjustified? Human nature? Have you read the constitution?

      Were they "paranoid" of what EVERY GODDAMN GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD TURNS INTO?

      Your "free-thinking" is nothing more than boot-licking. How "unique" of you. What a snowflake you are.

      When illegal spying is free-thinking and freedom is "paranoia" something is very wrong.

    26. Re:Well, of course by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      I'm sure the data is used for various nefarious purposes

      No doubt planned by a guy with a cat in his lap, who likes to say "eeexcellent" a lot.

      That's a bit farfetched, but everything the NSA was confirmed to be doing was also farfetched before Snowden leaked those documents.

      There was nothing far-fetched about the idea that the government was dong metadata analysis, or working with large corporations to access their data. Both of those things were pretty much an open "secret" well before Snowden leaked anything; he merely provided greater detail about the extent of those operations, and brought that information into the public consciousness.

      Besides which, if your thought process goes along the lines of "these far-fetched things have happened, therefore all these other far-fetched things are probably true" .... you are not a rational person. People who think that way end up believing every goddamn conspiracy theory under the sun.

    27. Re:Well, of course by TerryC101 · · Score: 1

      The USSR didn't have Hollywood. Just look at the amount of positive propaganda that gets consumed as entertainment. It's almost like there's some sort of plot.

    28. Re:Well, of course by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The problem is, that terrorist can really mess with your life. They can arrest you, destroy your life, career and credit and in the foreseeable future they'll sure find a way to legally kill you.

      Compare to that shit the crap that Bin Laden and his merry men could do and eventually did was peanuts.

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    29. Re:Well, of course by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's where capitalism is a bit more insidious than communism. We too see those party member kids, but we still buy the shit that they "earned" it.

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    30. Re:Well, of course by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The only difference is that they don't kick your door open yet on the "because we wanna" premise.

      Not yet at least. Let's give it a few more years. One more "terrorist" attack and you can wave due process and the fourth good bye. Well, rather, you can wave good bye to what's left of it.

      The only reason they don't go NKVD on everyone's ass that they deem a suitable target is that this could possibly still cause some people to actually raise their voice. The sooner that threat to liberty and democracy in the US is disbanded the better for the US and its people.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    31. Re:Well, of course by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      At one time, long ago, the US was actually a capitalist paradise. No, really. The "levels of society" were penetrable. You could actually get far if you decided to work hard. There are quite a few stories of people who started out as the dishwasher in a hotel and eventually owned their own chain of hotels. Those rags-to-riches stories did exist, and they were not few and far between, but actually very possible. An idea, a dash of daring to take a risk and hard work and you could go far. And even if not, even if you didn't land the big deal and got rich, there was still the promise that you could at least get somewhere if you put your mind to it, rolled up your sleeves and worked for your goals.

      Not anymore. And people are catching up. They don't believe in it anymore. The new American dream is not getting rich from work. The new american dream is winning the lottery. And it sure ain't just 'cause people got lazy. People simply got disillusioned. Even if you're well educated, smart and would be willing to take the risk and work for it, it just won't fly. Not in this world. The business form of the lottery dream is basically founding a startup and hoping that Google or Facebook buys you before someone else shoots you out of the sky with patents and copyright or other red tape.

      The American dream is over. And people are noticing that. People used to work for their goals and tried to reach their dreams. But people are just completely disillusioned today. If you start out your career with more debt than you could possibly hope to ever earn in your life, why bother working? Why bother staying honest? If you could only work 'til your back breaks and still won't ever see retirement because you simply can't earn more than you need to just get by, why bother trying?

      Get a lottery ticket. Hope for the best.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    32. Re:Well, of course by X.25 · · Score: 1

      Oh, irony.

      See, a rational person would have looked at what's going and concluded that the NSA's position is "of course you're more likely to be an extremist" rather than "of course you must be an extremist". But self-styled "free-thinkers" such as yourself always seem to tend toward these extreme, paranoid views that barely resemble the actual situation. It's almost as if you tended towards extremism or something.

      Kiddo, the "you're a conspiracy theorist" line doesn't work anymore.

      You should really try something new.

    33. Re:Well, of course by marxmarv · · Score: 1

      what they don't realize is the more they do this shit, the more they'll create extremists.

      How do you know that they don't? C'mon, systems thinking (or even murder thinking): for which agents in the system is that outcome a win (motive)? Who is equipped to pull it off (means)? Who has the political capital to put such a thing through without mass disobedience (opportunity)? Or, forget that, and just look at the USA's documented habit of quietly funding, arming and training a new flavor of fundie (ISIL, 2012, Jordan) to break down working secular governments so Grover Norquist can drown them too in a bathtub and steal the hydrocarbons from under them.

      Static analysis is useless in politics. Assume every word or act from every authority figure is an attempt to exploit until proven otherwise. (If infosec were a high school graduation requirement, this consumer politics of jousting with pool noodles would collapse instantly.)

      --
      /. -- the Free Republic of technology.
    34. Re:Well, of course by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      If you look at just about anybody's success story, the first thing that is of utmost importance is being in the right place at the right time. In other words, luck. The American dream has always been a dream. I'm not convinced that anything much has changed in the last 70 years about this, i.e. since about the end of WWII. Sure hard work is a factor but by no means the only one.

    35. Re:Well, of course by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sure, you always needed a hint of luck and a bit of "right place, right time". That's how the game ran. But that just isn't true anymore. It's no longer "be at the right place at the right time, have some luck and work hard". It's "know the right people, have some luck, no work required. If there is some required, find some idiot you can swindle out of his share".

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  22. "Sir.. HOLY SHIT SIR!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "SIR, more than half the internet are terrorists! They are all connected to Linux!"
    "Mother of GOD! Get the President!"

    NSA Learns How The Internet Works, coming to a theatre near you!

    1. Re:"Sir.. HOLY SHIT SIR!" by dysmal · · Score: 1

      This would be Science Fiction because the NSA will never learn how the internet works.

    2. Re:"Sir.. HOLY SHIT SIR!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They know how the internet works, they are complete amateurs at data sorting and categorization though, because if they were pros at it, they wouldn't be monitoring everyone and his dogs, and also wouldn't result in Snowden style leaks.

      Summary of all this? NSA are a total fuckup and the president should come clean and hand them all their pink slips.

    3. Re:"Sir.. HOLY SHIT SIR!" by CreatureComfort · · Score: 2

      Personally, I'd rather have a bunch of total fuckups in charge of this stuff, rather than someone more capable, and therefore more dangerous.

      --
      "Unheard of means only it's undreamed of yet,
      Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
    4. Re:"Sir.. HOLY SHIT SIR!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes

    5. Re:"Sir.. HOLY SHIT SIR!" by Evtim · · Score: 1

      Is that you, mister Buttel/Tuttle?

  23. Paging cold fjord and c6gunner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please go ahead and tell us how great it is that the NSA is spying on Americans in order to protect us from extremist Linux users.

    Thanks in advance!

    -- an American who researched encryption utilities for the electronic medical software he's a developer for. You know who I am!

    1. Re:Paging cold fjord and c6gunner! by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Please go ahead and tell us how great it is that the NSA is spying on Americans in order to protect us from extremist Linux users.

      Thanks in advance!

      -- an American who researched encryption utilities for the electronic medical software he's a developer for. You know who I am!

      not even cold fjord could come up with twisted enough of a logic to call this reasonable.

      --
      ---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
    2. Re:Paging cold fjord and c6gunner! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Funny

      Really? Check out the beards on Islamic fundamentalists and l33t *nix sysadmins. Are you ready to assume that's a coincidence?

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    3. Re:Paging cold fjord and c6gunner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Linux Users hate us for our Free Software?

      Oh, wait...

    4. Re:Paging cold fjord and c6gunner! by CreatureComfort · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can tell the difference by the Cheeto stains.

      --
      "Unheard of means only it's undreamed of yet,
      Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
    5. Re:Paging cold fjord and c6gunner! by DMJC · · Score: 1

      You've got it backwards dude... Unix Sysadmins have long ponytail hair... Everyone knows that. Just checkout Johnathon Schwartz to see what I'm talking about.

    6. Re:Paging cold fjord and c6gunner! by cb88 · · Score: 0

      Yep... the bearded ones are Unix engineers and Perl hackers... O.o and Emacs users of course on the other hand I envision Vim users to look like nerdy versions of patrick stewart (mostly the shiny head)

    7. Re:Paging cold fjord and c6gunner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Check out the beards on Islamic fundamentalists and l33t *nix sysadmins. Are you ready to assume that's a coincidence?

      Which beard? I have a hard time growing one. Guess it needs light to grow.

  24. It is time to by Twelfth+Harmonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    liberate our OSes !! In all seriousness; it pains me to see the country that created the Bell Labs to fall into the hands of these lunatics.

    1. Re:It is time to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to break this to you, but Bell Labs is just the other side of the coin. With the front side being NSA. Now THINK.

  25. Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by timrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just finished reading the article, and here's something I don't get. They mention that for certain "fingerprints", the NSA would automatically exclude users believed to be in one of the "Five Eyes" countries. Yet, for other fingerprints (such as searching for Tails) it would gather data regardless of where the user is located or believed to be located. Why would they apply the "Five Eyes" exemption some but not all of the time?

    1. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They give you the Five Eyes exemption until you do something really dangerous like read a Linux magazine or look up encryption tools. Then you've shown that you are a potential threat like all those shady characters who live in every other country on the planet.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    2. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by timrod · · Score: 2

      I guess that begs the question then: If they're putting people on watch lists (and capturing data on them for permanent storage) merely for reading Linux Journal or trying to download Tails, how much taxpayer money are they wasting on server space, bandwidth, personnel, electricity, etc to capture and maintain all of this data on people who are on the list for the sole reason that they tried to read about Linux or encryption?

    3. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      To be serious, I'd have to imagine they're wasting the vast majority of their resources on this crap. There are a lot more Linux users, privacy advocates or cipherpunks than terrorists in the world, and that's not even getting into the human rights activists, world leaders, phone users from the Bahamas, etc.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    4. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is really the question, isn't it? NSA has created the biggest haystacks in the planet's history and most of them are needle-free. They have their collective fingers in their ears as we ask, "What / Where's the point?!"

    5. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are missing the point.

      Threat has to be created for the apparatus to be funded.

      Repeat the above until it sinks in. People would lose jobs if they said "hey, well, we don't really have a serious threat.... so yeah, we are doing nothing at this time". So they make shit up to keep busy.

      Wars are fought for the idea "keep population distracted".

      If people were actually rational beings, not "retarded emos", we would not need more than half (more like 90%) of the so called security apparatus. And FBI would not be having a war on drugs, they would be having a war on DUIs (driving under influence), speeding and we would require yearly vehicle safety checks. Also, most people would not be speeding anyway, because hey, would be rational creatures. We would not need to even debate US's outdated second amendment.

      But no, we live in a world of phycohistory. Masses are not governed by rationality, but by emotion. The world is "fuck you, got mine". So that's what we have and deserve. We have thousands of nukes still ready to kill off our civilization *today*. We have War on Drugs and War on Everything. We have people protesting nuclear power, because hey, AGW is not real and somehow they think coal is better.

      So, it's back to square one. "Fuck you, got mine". That's why we are where we are. /RANT

    6. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The other eye nations are trusted to watch their own people based on generations of US and UK methods using US funded equipment.
      The staff in the Eyes nations will share all with the USA by default over generations by default.
      Local staff are not selected, advanced, cleared and trained until they are ready for projects of that scale and the sharing with 5+ other nations.
      Its a big step to give away all your nations secrets for free every decade to 5+ other competing nations.
      Shared sites are costly to run for the US and why waste time on duplication of material?
      The locals get the same product from all networks in their county and can look deep into their region for as a thank you.
      Thats the cover story. Reality might be that the tasks flow down to a site and the product flows back. The locals ensure the hardware and software is in place 24/7.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    7. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Also, most people would not be speeding anyway, because hey, would be rational creatures

      This, of course, assumes that speed limits in North America are rational. There are some pretty strong arguments against this.....

      --
      "City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
    8. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      That is really the question, isn't it? NSA has created the biggest haystacks in the planet's history and most of them are needle-free. They have their collective fingers in their ears as we ask, "What / Where's the point?!"

      That is why we are being targeted because we can show that they are full of shit, that is what makes us "dangerous" andwe can show others too which scares them even more.

      --
      ---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
    9. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse me, but if you think using the slur against the intellectually disabled is o.k. to describe things you don't like or understand or otherwise find objectionable, do you also think it is o.k. to use the other hateful labels like "cunt" (for woman), "nigger" (for black), "cracker" (for white), "kike" (for Jew), mick (for Irish), wop (for Italian), spick (for Hispanic), "chink" (for Chinese) ... ?

    10. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Fuck you, got mine", according to you, but then you call the 2nd amendment outdated?

      What we're really in is a "(Must) do X, just don't get caught, and above all, don't get in the Man's face" world, unless you're going to be an oblivious Boy/Girl Scout, however rogueish, square peg in a round hole, squeaky wheel sort of way. Like Aaron, just don't be surprised at how it may turn out.

      What ramps up the paranoia is knowing now that you're busted before you're done, and the only reason you don't get caught is because "they" have no need to catch you, they don't really care anyway, you're more useful to them doing what you're doing, and it would remove all doubt that they know every thing they about everyone that they want. :-) They'd rather people keep admiring the Emperor's wonderful new clothes, instead. ;-)

    11. Re:Why do they not exempt 5 eyes countries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the people of this utopian fantasy was indeed rational, they'd lobby the government to set rational speed limits through debate and votes.

  26. The NSA has a "game of thrones" complex. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    Everyone who isn't us is the enemy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    1. Re:The NSA has a "game of thrones" complex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And us, too. Have you watched the loo scene in the last episode?

  27. To a coward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They say to a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To a frightened small-minded cop, everyone looks like a crook. To an agency charged with protecting a nation against people who keep secrets, everyone looks shifty, and like he has something to hide.

    To the hanging judge, every man looks guilty, and to a coward, every man is a terrorist.

    Their attitude reflects their mindset: they're a bunch of frightened, small-minded cowards. The sad thing is...

    We. All. Collectively. Hired. Them. To. Protect. Us.

    What does that say about us? Sure, it was by proxy, we hired the useless, corrupt, bought-out politicians who hired them, but it is still the fault of the person who voted these clowns into office. Don't blame the NSA for doing their job, blame the lazy, stupid, good-for-nothing assholes who hired them and gave them permission or negligently allowed them to do what they do, and then blame the people who elected THEM.

    There is an old saying: in a democracy, people deserve the government they get. To be honest though, it's not just democracies where this happens. In general, people deserve the government they get. Period.

    1. Re:To a coward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      government is a failed experiment.

    2. Re:To a coward... by Zordak · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is an old saying: in a democracy, people deserve the government they get.

      Actually, the saying is, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." It was H.L. Mencken who said it.

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      Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number e.
    3. Re:To a coward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jeez, I wonder if Mencken meant that to sound as porny as it does?

    4. Re:To a coward... by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      My gravestone will say "I never voted for a democrat or republican...".
      One of my life's proudest accomplisments......

      --
      When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
    5. Re:To a coward... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I want a bumper sticker that reads: "I voted for Clinton twice, I voted for Bush twice, but at least I never voted for Obama."

    6. Re:To a coward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps... I can't recall, is H.L. Mencken the guy with the fancy knives they sell at Target with the weird, fat, stick-figure guy on the box, or the guy who had that pyramid scheme with the carpet cleaning company in the 80's? I'm almost certain it's one or the other of them.

    7. Re:To a coward... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      They say to a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To a frightened small-minded cop, everyone looks like a crook. To an agency charged with protecting a nation against people who keep secrets, everyone looks shifty, and like he has something to hide.

      To the hanging judge, every man looks guilty, and to a coward, every man is a terrorist.

      Their attitude reflects their mindset: they're a bunch of frightened, small-minded cowards

      And this kind of insightful eloquence (from an AC, no less) is the reason I still come to /., despite Dice's best efforts at killing it.

      --
      "City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
    8. Re:To a coward... by mark_reh · · Score: 1

      Back when Clinton was in office I wanted a bumper sticker that said "the wrong Clinton is in the Whitehouse". I refer, of course, to George Clinton.

    9. Re:To a coward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, Pogo, not me. I voted against every one of 'em. :-)

      There is a saying; you carry your own water. It's not cowardice at work here, it's laziness, and refusal to take responsibiity. We expect and demand way too much from government. Yes, I know we are encouraged to. Doesn't change the fact.

      Cowardice can be a side effect. It is encouraged to be, yes.

  28. FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Linux people _might_ be terrorists. FreeBSD users most certainly are terrorists, don't ya know?

  29. Enjoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The feds have been tagging talk radio listeners, gun enthusiasts and others as "extremists" in training material and other non-public documents for years now.

    How's it feel?

    The precedent is long set, but you didn't care when it started because you agreed with it at the time; "teabaggers herp derp."

    Too late now, fuckers. Keep your head down.

    1. Re:Enjoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “First of all, they came to take the gypsies
      and I was happy because they pilfered.
      Then they came to take the Jews and I said nothing,
      because they were unpleasant to me.
      Then they came to take homosexuals,
      and I was relieved, because they were annoying me.
      Then they came to take the Communists,
      and I said nothing because I was not a Communist.
      One day they came to take me,
      and there was nobody left to protest.

      Bertold Brecht, inspired by Emil Gustav Friedrich Martin Niemöller”

    2. Re:Enjoy by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      The feds have been tagging talk radio listeners, gun enthusiasts and others as "extremists" in training material and other non-public documents for years now.

      How's it feel?

      The precedent is long set, but you didn't care when it started because you agreed with it at the time; "teabaggers herp derp."

      Too late now, fuckers. Keep your head down.

      I've never agreed with it. A gun enthusiast is no different from a racing enthusiast. A talk radio listener is no different from a /. visitor. An 'other' is no different from you or I. For the government to tag any of these as "extremists" or "needs closer monitoring" or anything else, is just wrong.

      --
      "City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
    3. Re:Enjoy by Megol · · Score: 1

      Your definition of "gun enthusiast" must differ with mine and . People that call themselves that tend to basically worship the idea of guns and using them for shooting people IME, often combined with extremist right wing political views. And that's f-king scary if you ask me...

      Now I do agree that there are a lot of sane people that like shooting and collecting guns etc. and those are just like normal enthusiasts.
      [I'm not anti-gun: Personally I think .22 pistols are the nicest for normal shooters due to price of ammunition (and one have to shoot quite a lot if one want to get good at it), 9mm isn't as precise for target shooting IMHO but that may be due to mostly using ex military overpressure rounds. Other than that I've shot a lot of 7.62 NATO rounds with a H&K G3 variant, nice gun and nice round for longer distances.]

    4. Re:Enjoy by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Some time in the 1970s US gun clubs got taken over by batshit insane weekend "warrior" draft dodging pussies who want to use military grade weapons as toys without the responsibility to learn how to use them properly. They have failed to run their sport well since then but they have put a LOT of effort into dabbling with politics.

  30. i dont know how much more i can take. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First i was an extremist because I visited, and posted, to slashdot. then i was an extremist because I used tor, then again because I used crypto on my laptop, and again for reading wikipedia...and once more im an extremist for reading the linux journal?

    At what point in my extremety should I start endorsing things like sports drinks and shoes? Am i still allowed to drink tea in the morning or does this mean i need to switch to energy drinks and techno music. Does this work like GTA? can i take up knitting and become less extreme instead? Do the kids know im extreme? I mean the only un-extreme thing i seem to have been able to do last year was buy this Model M keybo0@0#69t@[NO CARRIER]

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    Good people go to bed earlier.
    1. Re:i dont know how much more i can take. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  31. RMS & Md by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RMS == Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)
    GNU/Linux == Sunni Islam
    GNU/Libre-Linux == Shia Islam

  32. Yeah, right. by slashdice · · Score: 1

    The NSA also contributed to Dual_EC_DRBG.

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  33. That's nothing by m.dillon · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the 80's it was well known that the CIA was monitoring the USENET. Apparently there was a list of keywords that they searched for that became well known, so we used them all the time. We had it on good authority that the CIA had become amused by our antics. It probably relieved the boredom.

    -Matt

    1. Re:That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS, Send one to the door with a free dominos pizza

      signed,
      get the door its Dominos IA

    2. Re:That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh shit. it's THE matt dillon of DragonFlyBSD. Once a major contributor to FreeBSD, left with the rest of the hoard after the ungrateful BSDi developers ruined the FreeBSD dynamic. Glad to see you're still around, my friend. I used to chat with you in the early days on #FreeBSD/Efnet. Times have changed, hope you're doing well.

      -K

    3. Re:That's nothing by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      In the 80's it was well known that the CIA was monitoring the USENET. Apparently there was a list of keywords that they searched for that became well known, so we used them all the time. We had it on good authority that the CIA had become amused by our antics. It probably relieved the boredom.

      -Matt

      I have this sense that US people, on average, would be scared to pull something like that nowadays. I occasionally see a slashdotter type a line of words like 'bomb bomb bomb nuclear suitcase etc.." in a post to be funny when something about monitoring comes up. But other than that, I can't picture 'messing with intelligence services' on a wider scale in a particular medium just for fun anymore.

      Without any evidence whatsoever.. I get this feeling that CIA/FBI would not be amused in this day and age. Well..I guess some evidence may be found in the overreactions to kids bring pocket knifes to schools and stuff like that.

  34. I'm extra screwed then by Maquis196 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm a Linux sysadmin, run Tor at home and vote Green Party. (In UK were considered domestic extremists - http://www.theguardian.com/pol....

    I do wonder how that Ice cream van outside stays in business, its not even hot outside!

    1. Re:I'm extra screwed then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      at least buying ice cream is convenient.

    2. Re:I'm extra screwed then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the USA. I worked with a guy whose ex-girlfriend was an actual Communist--member of the CPUSA or something like it. He got Top Secret clearance. What will kill your clearance is 1. Lying. Oh boy, even if you just lie about your favorite color you're out. 2. Actually being actively involved in working against them.

      Also, depending on your level of involvement in such organizations, they might actually want to use you as an insider. I've heard that at some point half the KKK was actually FBI agents working to take it down.

      Of course if you do take such a path, they'll watch your every move. The guy next to you at the rally, you're gathering information on him... he either believe you're one of them... or he's gathering information on you for the same agency!

    3. Re:I'm extra screwed then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      paint the cash you buy the ice cream with using a combination of arsenic, cyanide, and antrax spores.

    4. Re:I'm extra screwed then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's like the ice cream van at my local uni - hash, pot, cannabis and something for the munchies.

    5. Re:I'm extra screwed then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that we have a President who associated with domestic terrorists/extremists, we might as well have a few communists with clearances as well.

  35. A mark of honor by A+non+moose+cow · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has not been categorized as an extremist by now should be ashamed of their "fainting goat" status.

  36. Know your history by HeckRuler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Time to remind everyone of the last time this happened.

    Except it was J Edgar Hoover, the FBI, their programs like COINTELPRO, and those crazy radicals like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Albert Einstein as well as people on the list for being part of the women's right movement, civil rights movement, "the new left", criticizing the Vietnam war, and the typical boogy-man organizations of socialists and communists.

    Or hey, how about MINARET? or SHAMROCK?. Both of which had no warrents, but when people got a whiff of them, congress came down hard and the projects were discontinued.

    What's so different about this time? Why are the power that be not doing their job?

    Here's a great quote by meta-monkey, from A YEAR AGO:

    Re:"Congressional hearings" (Score:5, Insightful)
    by meta-monkey (321000) Friend of a Friend on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @12:39PM (#44437417) ...
    Scarier part: why aren't they blaming each other for this "serious overreach?" That they will then investigate, have some hearings, and then go right back to biz as usual? That's all politicians do. Make vague, meaningless statements and take no responsibility, blame everyone else, then do nothing. Instead they're making firm, direct statements. "Legal!" "Constitutional!" "Full oversight!"

    Why are they so far off script? Here's how the script is supposed to go:

    Snowden: "They doin' teh snoops!"
    Democrats: "Bush started it!"
    Republicans: "Saint Bush never would have authorized this! This must be part of a secret communist Muslim plan to install sharia law!"
    Obama: "No, really it was just the Cincinnati branch of the NSA!"
    Senate committee: "Thank you for your service, Mr. Snowden for bringing this overreach to our attention. We've got top men working to correct it. Top. Men."
    Snowden: "No prob, I'll go rot in obscurity now."
    Clapper: "Ow. My wrist. From the slapping. Wheeeeeelp, back to the shadows for biz as usual."

    The mask isn't just slipping. It's on the floor. The man behind the curtain is doing a tap dance. Just what the fuck is going on?

    One YEAR. The exact same trend is continuing. No one of power is fighting this. No one is backing down. Just what the fuck is going on?

    1. Re:Know your history by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Informative

      You forgot about one of the dangerous communists he was tracking, Isaac Asimov.

      (TFA in that link is worth a read, or you can read my spoilers)

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    2. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hypothetically speaking: would you oppose the NSA when you know they might have a file containing all those dirty secrets that will definitively end your career?

    3. Re:Know your history by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shit man, don't attract more attention on me! I, uh, use Windows! Windows...ummm...8? Is that the least terreristy one? I don't know! Don't rendition me, I'm harmless I swear!

      --
      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    4. Re:Know your history by Noryungi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Stasi (East Germany Secret Police) used to be one of the most powerful intelligence service in the world. It is estimated they had hundreds of thousands of informants and it maintained files on millions of citizens of East Germany.

      But the Berlin wall eventually fell, despite all its efforts and all its agents. I believe the same thing will happen in the US. When the times comes, the whole rotten house of cards will crash down to earth.

      Oh, and, NSA? Please go f**** yourself.

      --
      The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
    5. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can be god damn sure that Hillary and whoever ends up with the Republican nomination won't do anythign about it when they get elected in 2016.

      If you care about stuff like this more than all the other political crap, vote libertarian. I'm not saying libertarian is a perfect party, but putting an end to this stuff is at the top of their agenda, which you can't say about either of the two big parties.

    6. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One YEAR. The exact same trend is continuing. No one of power is fighting this. No one is backing down. Just what the fuck is going on?

      I blame Reality TV shows like America's got Talent (sic) for dumbing down the populace, and shows like CSI for making these practices seem like commonplace.

    7. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are ignoring it and are just waiting for people to forget/ gain a false sense of security. Or passing it off to the next administration.

    8. Re:Know your history by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      What dirty secrets?
      Me and a friend regularly chat about this sort of social trends. His father was an enforcer for the Hell's Angels. He's lead a slightly more colorful life than I have. I have to remind him at regular intervals that some of us actually kept our nose clean and don't have a sordid past and a laundry list of activities that others could hold over our head forever.

      But sure, in such a hypothetical scenario: I'D ABSOLUTELY OPPOSE THE NSA'S ILLEGAL PROGRAMS! (especially when it gathered said dirty laundry). I'd just do it anonymously, because otherwise they could end me at a moment's notice. Because I'm not sure I'm such a martyr that I'd make that sort of sacrifice just to showcase how badly they could abuse their power.

      Now... if I were a hypothetical politician, becoming a martyr and exposing such actions is actually good for the career. Sooooooo maybe I'd try to exchange the dirty laundry for the good deed.

    9. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .... last time this happened .... J Edgar Hoover

      J. Edgar Hoover was the "last time?" Skipping over a lot there buddy.

      But then, one does have to reach far back into the cold war to find folks on the left treated like this.

      MINARET and SHAMROCK? The '60s and '40s respectively. Things have changed pal; it's not about pinkos any more. It's about anyone with the temerity to listen to talk radio, talk about the Constitution, or buy a gun.

    10. Re:Know your history by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      HAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, it's too good of a post not to pass along.

    11. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Stasi (East Germany Secret Police) used to be one of the most powerful intelligence service in the world. It is estimated they had hundreds of thousands of informants and it maintained files on millions of citizens of East Germany.

      But the Berlin wall eventually fell, despite all its efforts and all its agents. I believe the same thing will happen in the US. When the times comes, the whole rotten house of cards will crash down to earth.

      Oh, and, NSA? Please go f**** yourself.

      You need to compare what the Stasi DID, and what our law enforcement DOES, not the information they have available.

      It's 2014 and people are afraid of teh information leaking, lol.

    12. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's so different about this time? Why are the power that be not doing their job?

      Their job is to remain in power. They're doing it pretty well, all things considered ;)

    13. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may had fallen but it's a bloody phoenix. Look at privacyinternational reports on Germany. Look at recent reports on BND's cooperation with NSA.

    14. Re:Know your history by Zordak · · Score: 1

      One YEAR. The exact same trend is continuing. No one of power is fighting this. No one is backing down.

      No one, or almost no one, gets that high in the political machine without having some serious skeletons in the closet. And who knows where all those skeletons are hidden? Oh, yeah. The NSA. QED

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      Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number e.
    15. Re:Know your history by Zordak · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, when it happens, the good things about the USA will fall with it. I admit, I enjoy being in a place where I can live on a nice suburban street with minimal immediate worries, drive a comfortable car with air conditioning, gas it up when necessary, and purchase as much food as I need at the grocery store whenever I need it. When the house of cards comes tumbling down, the WHOLE house of cards will come with it. Of course, our runaway spending will probably topple it before the iron fist of the NSA. But when it does happen, it will hardly matter what the most immediate exciting cause was.

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      Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number e.
    16. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You underestimate the power of the 1%. NSA's job is first and foremost to protect the 1% crimes against anybody who will question them. You essentially sugges that the cleptocrats will fade away. I don't see that yet.

    17. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah the stasi even knew about the USA spying on western countries. The moment west germany reunified with east germany, the documents were transported into the USA, without copies.

      I'm sorry, I can only give you this german link.

    18. Re:Know your history by cb88 · · Score: 0

      Yeah,I agree... But at the same time also think that the things that may the USA truly great may still stand a chance. I mean the things you list are side effects of "America" .. the freedom and liberty enjoyed for the last 15-20 coon ages is what has made the country great. Sure we have our rough spots but people eventually come around and remember what being American is all about.... adversity fosters it!

    19. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Sure. Have you not noticed? The majority of Americans of any means now firmly believe in a Just World. Essentially, "Fuck you, buddy. I've got mine." The problem here is that they don't have what they think they have.

      In the 50s, Communism and Socialism were blamed. These days, it's lazy people who don't work hard enough, and the terrorists. Which terrorists? Any terrorists.

      The short of it is that you're not this special breed just because you live in America. You're human, like those who live in the rest of the world, you're governed by the same laws of nature that we are.

      Get used to it.

    20. Re:Know your history by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      Vote for most anyone without big money support. Especially if they're being ridiculed/laughed at by the MSM.......

      --
      When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
    21. Re:Know your history by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      No one of power is fighting this. No one is backing down. Just what the fuck is going on?

      The answer is fairly clear: NSA has sufficient dirt on anyone with the power to fight this that they're too afraid to do so. We know they've tapped Supreme Court justices, members of Congress, presidential candidates, etc. We've reached a point where it's going to take one or more of these officials to get so fed up that they're willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Whatever's being used to keep them quiet, they're going to have to air it up front and then start in with congressional hearings.

      If I were NSA, my biggest fear would be an unfriendly Senator who discovers he has a terminal illness. Not long to live, no re-election to worry about, and done giving a fuck whether people find out he's secretly gay and loves snorting coke with illegal immigrants. That man, the one with power and nothing to lose, that's the one who can bring the whole thing down.

      --
      Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
    22. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to remind everyone of the last time this happened.

      Except it was J Edgar Hoover, the FBI, their programs like COINTELPRO, and those crazy radicals like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Albert Einstein as well as people on the list for being part of the women's right movement, civil rights movement, "the new left", criticizing the Vietnam war, and the typical boogy-man organizations of socialists and communists.

      Or hey, how about MINARET? or SHAMROCK?. Both of which had no warrents, but when people got a whiff of them, congress came down hard and the projects were discontinued.

      What's so different about this time? Why are the power that be not doing their job?

      Here's a great quote by meta-monkey, from A YEAR AGO:

      Re:"Congressional hearings" (Score:5, Insightful)
      by meta-monkey (321000) Friend of a Friend on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @12:39PM (#44437417) ...
      Scarier part: why aren't they blaming each other for this "serious overreach?" That they will then investigate, have some hearings, and then go right back to biz as usual? That's all politicians do. Make vague, meaningless statements and take no responsibility, blame everyone else, then do nothing. Instead they're making firm, direct statements. "Legal!" "Constitutional!" "Full oversight!"

      Why are they so far off script? Here's how the script is supposed to go:

      Snowden: "They doin' teh snoops!"
      Democrats: "Bush started it!"
      Republicans: "Saint Bush never would have authorized this! This must be part of a secret communist Muslim plan to install sharia law!"
      Obama: "No, really it was just the Cincinnati branch of the NSA!"
      Senate committee: "Thank you for your service, Mr. Snowden for bringing this overreach to our attention. We've got top men working to correct it. Top. Men."
      Snowden: "No prob, I'll go rot in obscurity now."
      Clapper: "Ow. My wrist. From the slapping. Wheeeeeelp, back to the shadows for biz as usual."

      The mask isn't just slipping. It's on the floor. The man behind the curtain is doing a tap dance. Just what the fuck is going on?

      One YEAR. The exact same trend is continuing. No one of power is fighting this. No one is backing down. Just what the fuck is going on?

      You do realize of course, the only difference between COINTEL PRO and COINTEL Home Edition was that the regular version had an arbitrary memory cap of 2GB, whereas the PRO version supported up to 8GB, and the code inside was exactly the same; you could change the $SOFTWARE KEY ID string, and convince the computer you had installed COINTEL PRO even if you only paid for the Home Edition, and save hundreds of dolla....

      Wait, what are we talking about? I feel like I may have missed something here...

    23. Re:Know your history by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      There's no Berlin Wall in America. No guard towers, barbed wire, or land mines to keep the people in. In fact, fences are regarded as useless and large sections of the borders are simply left unguarded, for anyone to escape. I think you didn't get the memo on the whole Berlin Wall metaphor. And besides, you're supposed to compare the USA to Nazis, those are the wrong kind of Germans.

      "Communism is powerful, powerful stuff. So powerful it managed to spread laziness, poverty, and hideously poor engineering in a country populated entirely by Germans."

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    24. Re:Know your history by Noryungi · · Score: 2

      There's no Berlin Wall in America.

      ... Yet. They are working on it, thank you very much. See here. Or here.

      I think you didn't get the memo on the whole Berlin Wall metaphor.

      Your poor attempt at sarcasm betrays (a) an overly sensitivity to criticism of your country, and (b) a complete misunderstanding of the issue at hand. There is no Berlin Wall because there is no escaping the NSA. They are spying on the entire world. You can move to Mexico - that makes you a suspect. You can move to Canada - that makes you a suspect. If you even talk to someone who may know someone who may have been in contact with a suspect, you will be caught in the dragnet.

      Everyone is fair game, everyone is a potential target. Everyone will be spied on, because terrorists! 9/11! Dirty bomb! Mushroom clouds! They hate our freedom!

      I suspect YOU did not get THAT memo. Or maybe you are of the "I did not do anything wrong - so I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear from Big Brother" persuasion? Hmmm?

      By the way, why are you reading Slashdot, citizen? Do you have your permit for that? And why talk to this terrorist suspect or that one?

      The rest of your comment are more of the same drivel, so I will not even dignify it with a response.

      --
      The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
    25. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This means that whatever they are doing, it's far worse than Snowden knows. Far worse. The final mask has yet to fall off.

    26. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We know they've tapped Supreme Court justices, members of Congress, presidential candidates, etc

      Citation needed.

    27. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drat, I knew we shouldn't have got rid of all those Windows Vista style Compiz themes.

    28. Re:Know your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Berlin wall fell because of inadequate change control within the East German government and allowing a carefully worded press release to be read on TV by someone who wasn't at the original meeting. It's an interesting story but they never intended to just give up and let it collapse.

  37. And yet they can't find hires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    LOL, simultaenously they struggle to find hires. Maybe the NSA will collapse under the weight of its own absurd contradictions. /dream-on.

  38. I call bullshit on this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm one of the people calling bullshit on this, there's plenty of Linux users both in the US and in the world that are not "extremists," case-in-point, pretty much all Ubuntu or Mint users, for example, and I'm also a Linux user and I'd consider myself pretty far from "extremist."

  39. ISIS Caliphate by turgid · · Score: 2

    Anyway, the new dude is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and he's assimilating Irag, Syria and probably Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Somalia, Nigeria... you name it... into his all new "proper" Islam state.

    A number of armies in the region are already squaring up, including Iran and Saudi. There have been some murders of Israeli and Palestinian teenagers by terrorists too, probably trying to goad each side into action.

    It's a bloody miserable state of affairs.

    1. Re:ISIS Caliphate by Shompol · · Score: 2

      Judging by the map it is mostly Iraq and some Syria so far. Thanks, Bush Jr!

    2. Re:ISIS Caliphate by turgid · · Score: 2

      ...and his side-kick Blair.

    3. Re:ISIS Caliphate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you nicely repeat the lies they have fed to you ? The Isis thing is once again financed by the Sauds. YOUR friends.

    4. Re:ISIS Caliphate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was ok till Obama f'd it up.

    5. Re:ISIS Caliphate by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I love the picture on that page of the 'scud missile' they captured and are parading about. They almost certainly have neither the expertise to fire the missile, nor is it likely complete and able to be fired. They'd have a hard time even unloading the 'missile' off the parade-float truck it's resting in. They're a bunch of goatherds with rusty kalashnikovs and light pickup trucks.

    6. Re:ISIS Caliphate by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      I was talking to a co-worker who is 15+ year Army vet, and we both agree with you. When ISIS is faced with a "real military" (Jordon, Iran, Syria, whomever) they will crumble into dust.

    7. Re:ISIS Caliphate by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It's possible that like in Bouganville they are led by real military (in this case Jordon, Iraq, Syria) that disagree with whoever used to give them orders. It's too early to tell especially since it's looking like they are lining up on a religious divide (one that puts them firmly on the side of Iran) and they get mass defections to them if everything goes even more pear shaped.

    8. Re:ISIS Caliphate by turgid · · Score: 1

      So you nicely repeat the lies they have fed to you ?

      What lies? That there are a bunch of murderous thugs trying to take over the Middle East and impose a 1500-year-old fascist dictatorship on the 99.9% of ordinary people that live there?

      The lies about the suicide bombers with surgically-implanted bombs?

      The Isis thing is once again financed by the Sauds. YOUR friends.

      Yes, I know who finances them. They're not "my friends." I've never met any of them personally, and I don't approve of any of it, whichever of the warring sides you care to mention.

    9. Re:ISIS Caliphate by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Oh look. There is a nut-job named Bakr on that side of the world too.

      --
      Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
    10. Re:ISIS Caliphate by turgid · · Score: 1

      Sing: "Send me your money."

  40. Actually they're saying they are going to watch... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    ... them. They label them extremists because they need to do that to watch people. Is it fair or reasonable? No. It just how our stupid government works.

    Should the NSA be watching the very savvy computer communities? Obviously. They have to do that. They can't do their jobs unless they're aware of what is going on there.

    Should they label them extremists? No. But neither should they need to do that to watch someone.

    This is why a lot of political groups in the US are being labeled as extremists. Because there are some people in those groups that do crazy stuff like make bombs. Practically none of them do that but one out of a million does... and they need to watch for that.

    --
    I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
  41. Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android is Linux. Linux users are extremists....

    If A = B and B = C....

    1. Re:Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buy old blackberry?

  42. The NSA also considers Slashdot by tekrat · · Score: 3, Funny

    The NSA also considers Slashdot to be a terrorist organization.

    And they'd be right too, judging from some of the comments I've posted here... oops.

    --
    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
    1. Re:The NSA also considers Slashdot by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      The NSA also considers Slashdot to be a terrorist organization.

      You mean just beta? Or /. in general?

      --
      "City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
    2. Re:The NSA also considers Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:The NSA also considers Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happy 4th of July!

    4. Re:The NSA also considers Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hereby propose that we the Anonymous Cowards to renamed as Anonymous Terrorists or Anonymous Extremists. The rest are named and identified.

  43. Twitter by Shadyman · · Score: 1

    In other (related?) news, I can't seem to send twitter direct messages containing "http://yro.slashdot.org". Is it just me?

    1. Re:Twitter by Shadyman · · Score: 1

      In other (related?) news, I can't seem to send twitter direct messages containing "http://yro.slashdot.org". Is it just me?

      False alarm, it seems you can't direct message any urls except Google's. Derp.

  44. Black helicopter on my lawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Glad I mowed it.

  45. Odd choices all around by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Linux Journal, really? The real extremists are over at LWN. And by extremists, I mean those who are extremely good at what they do.

    Anyway, while the NSA is searching nerd sites for terrorists, the FBI has been caught covering up for Saudi terrorists.

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    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  46. What's with the 'might'? by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    Linux since 1991 (MCC floppies).
    Proud to be an extremist.

    1. Re:What's with the 'might'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh well, linux booted from a floppy without any hdd here then.. :/ What would it really have been without all these flavours. It somehow cannot be denied that it is kind of extreme. ;}

    2. Re:What's with the 'might'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here here! Softlanding linux vertion 1 by Gary McDonald if I recall the name. It was back before that newfangled Slackware got started and no one had ever heard of Red Hat. Lots of floppy disks and if you wanted to use X11 you had to come up with your own video timing values by hand. Those were the good old days. Why lots of older IT guys like me even had jobs back then, can you imagen that!

      I've been using Linux since kernel 0.99pl10. If using Linux makes me and extremist, then I guess I'm a hard core extremist. Do I get to ware one of those cool Guy Fox mask now?

    3. Re: What's with the 'might'? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall only two floppies were needed, one for the kernel and one for userspace. But that was a bare bones command line install. As there were no distros yet, everything else was downloaded to my 40MB hard drive and compiled from source (including a replacement kernel that had all the drivers for my hardware, once the bootstrapping was out of the way).

  47. Next will be programming language preference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The logical progression from here will be discrimination based on programming language preference. Watch out Lipsers while .Net'ers and Javastas can sleep a little easier. Clojurians may end up a little confused, however.

  48. NSA Engineers by ozzy85 · · Score: 0

    Who works for these terrorists of freedom? Any engineer in their supposedly educated mind should see through this propaganda and dip.

  49. Everybody go to linuxjournal.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for linuxjournal.com to get a whole lot of extra traffic. Let them find lots and lots of terrrists.

  50. Das Erste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just for the scale: Das Erste isnt some random publication, but Germany's state TV, their equivalent of the BBC.

  51. Just Connect The Dots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1.) Bush senior is CIA boss, has excellent relations to the Saudis. See "House of Bush, house of Saud" movie.
    2.) Bush Junior is an idiot, needs money.
    3.) Conjecture: Sauds sell oil to Bush junior much below market rate, so he can "finally make some money".
    3.1) Russia has become a very weak bogeyman by 2001. They are essentially bankrupt and cannot be used to justify MIC pork in the hundreds of billions.
    4.) Saudis fly into WTC
    4.1) Tata ! A new bogeyman is on stage
    5.) Totally unrelated Iraq (Saddam was a socialist and not a islamist) is being hit with war. Saudis are not touched at all
    6.) Big business for war industry. 800 billion/year

    What does it mean ? We (pax Americana) are ruled by a massively corrupt security establishment. Military officers, police, NSA, CIA, DIA and the "commander in chief" are actually corrupt bastards. They easily kill their own compartiots in order to ensure funding. That's the tough shit truth.

    Grow some cynical balls and forget all those fairy tales they indoctrinated you in school.

    1. Re:Just Connect The Dots by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      AC needs a mod up here......

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      When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
  52. So, Linux on your iPod makes you what? by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this is so bizarre that this has to be a garbled report of something simpler. I can see them tracking white power bigots, drugs villains, and people saying any variant of 'God tells me to kill anyone who disagrees with me' but readers of computer science materials?

    --
    ---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
    1. Re:So, Linux on your iPod makes you what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux on an iPod? Well, it makes you a self-important, bi-curious (or directly queer), snobby intellectual terrorist pansy cunt. I suppose.

    2. Re:So, Linux on your iPod makes you what? by dragonfly_blue · · Score: 1

      Do they really have Linux for your iPod? ( serious )

      *ahem*

      _I_ have an iPod.

      --
      Free music from Jack Merlot.
    3. Re:So, Linux on your iPod makes you what? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Do they really have Linux for your iPod? ( serious )

      *ahem*

      _I_ have an iPod.

      There used to be at least but it is outdated unsupported now.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...

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      ---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
  53. This isn't the first time I've been called... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    ... an extremist.

    Alas, the bill in question was pushed through despite otherwise unanimous opposition within a few weeks of the conservative party obtaining a majority government in Canada.

  54. Finally!! by hduff · · Score: 1

    At last it's the Year of the Linux Desktop! That's terror-riffic!

    --
    "I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
  55. Is NSA being just a little Schizophrenic? by hAckz0r · · Score: 1
    First they publish the SELinux security enhanced architecture for all of the Linux community to use, to be safely computing. A really great technology, and highly advisable.

    .
    Then they put all the people on the black list that might want to *read* about SELinux, or other technologies, before using it?

    Come on, you either want people to be safe _from_ hackers (the bad guys) or arrest all the hackers (software engineers). Maybe someone needs to buy them a current dictionary including the many uses of the common word "hacker" and what it really means in which context?

    1. Re:Is NSA being just a little Schizophrenic? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      When the military wants a jock they hint at parachutes, skiing, diverse sporty conditions globally for free with advanced tech.
      When the military wants a nerd they hint at seeing the world, a safe lab coat with neat tech, a good starting wage and the academic freedom for free further education.
      Hinting you will be working on open source OS or securing banking codes might be some good news to have floating around too.
      Anyone on a list can/will be turned just before arrest.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  56. Give 'em something to worry about... by jcochran · · Score: 1

    Just download tails yourself and start using it. Increase the amount of encrypted traffic that they don't know the contents of.

  57. You Might Be "Extremists" If: by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

    You Do Not listen to Fox news for content.

    You Might Be "Extremists" If:
    You ask why?

    You Might Be "Extremists" If:
    You think things through.

    You Might Be "Extremists" If:
    You disagree with the NSA.

    You Might Be "Extremists" If:
    You work for the government, and you don't think its a good idea to shut down the government.

    You Might Be "Extremists" If:
    You're old, white, male, and NOT angry.

    You Might Be "Extremists" If:
    You think the Iowa caucuses are comedy.

    You Might Be "Extremists" If:
    You haven't seen any voter fraud.

    You Might Be "Extremists" If:
    You think anyone that doesn't think like you may have a valid point.

    apologies to Jeff Foxworthy

    1. Re:You Might Be "Extremists" If: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh crap, you nailed me. I even run Linux and read Linux Journal.

      Just one problem: I have a current TS clearance. For some reason, the DoD disagrees with the NSA.

  58. 'Tis better to be thought a terrorist by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    than a jack-booted thug trampling everyone's God given rights. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for an NSA employee to enter the kingdom of God.

    1. Re:'Tis better to be thought a terrorist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is my honor to be a linux extremist.

  59. Re:First Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You misspelled "fr05ty p155!"

  60. There is no other category by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and that mere comment just confirmed you ARE a moron.

    Actually, the parent's comment confirms that you're out of touch with popular opinion on Slashdot, because that comment is sitting pretty at +5 Insightful.

    From the establishment's perspective, there is no doubt that anyone who is fighting them is under suspicion of being anti-establishment, and they have only one pigeon hole for people of that persuasion.

  61. And now I understand how by ralphaostrander · · Score: 1

    Extremest are created. Perhaps they are actually Mildest.

  62. i dont know how much more i can take. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't tase me bro! BBZZZZZZZTTT!! Yeow!

  63. Virtual Burner Phones by dragonfly_blue · · Score: 1

    I use OpenBSD & Debian GNU/Linux primarily, which I'm *positive* triggers some kind of NSA monitoring trope whenever I use apt-get to install GPG or OpenBSD's pkg_add to install, well; *any* OpenBSD package is probably viewed as "suspicious".

    Since I use Debian sometimes, I also *sigh* hereby admit that I've occasionally frequented _The Linux Journal_, & I enjoy their content immensely.

    I don't *always* go there to learn how to enable full-disk encryption or how to create "burner" phones by running SIP/VoIP software in a _qemu_ virtual machine, but I'm sure I've bumped into black-flagged projects & probably, in some kind of desperate, bumbling attempt at following an article about $PRIVACY::$ANONYMITY Perl modules, well, you can probably guess.

    I admit it. I've accessed cryptographic software directly from the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network, on more than one occasion.

    I've succombed to kitten huffing.

    I keep a three-ring binder filled with barrettes from females I've encountered over the years as a kind of "keepsake" album.

    And once I shot some racy digital photographs with a woman I was dating, & I couldn't decide whether or not 2048-bit, 4096-bit, or 8192-bit encryption was strong enough to protect the images from being leaked into the internet. So I deleted them.

    So, I admit it. I'm a Linux & OpenBSD user that has rummaged through countless software repositories on all seven continents over the course of several decades. I read _The Linux Journal_ & I like it.

    The way I figure it, that probably puts me into some kind of watch-list bonus round, or some kind of keyword-trigger-list Hot 100 chart on the NSA's giant wall of pulsating 256" plasma displays.

    I don't usually talk about it, & hell, I haven't even been over here to SlashDot for quite some time, but I figure, if TrollHax0r, Sarcasta, CmdrTaco, Bruce Perens & friends are still around, they can vouch for the fact that I am guilty as charged on all counts.

    Sincerely,

    dragonfly_blue

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  64. Re: fatwah against Lennart Poettering's systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck systemd

  65. Who Will Die? by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Covert operations tend to allow actions to come into play. If they find a problem person will they suddenly develop really bad health or worse?

  66. Re:FreeBSD, OpenBSD, GhostBSD, DragonflyBSD by dragonfly_blue · · Score: 1

    My optical drive crapped out on me a couple months ago so I have unfortunately not been able to install NetBSD on my toaster oven, which doesn't have a coreboot/openbios compatible EEPROM so I can't even do a PXE network install.

    That's not NetBSD's fault obviously. But since I can't complete that project, that means I have to use my OpenBSD systems to make breakfast.

    I'm sure if _The Linux Journal_ was a selector, that the OpenBSD package repositories & mirrors are likewise tripwired.

    And even if they aren't, well. The NSA would hardly overlook the OpenBSD community for possible deviants, especially considering the time Theo de Raadt started a food fight in the company cafeteria with some of the fine representatives of DARPA. I'm *pretty* sure that the NSA heard about that.

    So instead of monkeying around at monkey.org or whatever, I'm trying to come up with some catchy OpenBSD slogans or whatever. Hopefully that will make us seem a little bit less... "Linux Journal"-esque, & you know. More appealing to stay-at-home dads & soccer moms.

    OpenBSD: Maybe not portable enough to install on your toaster oven, but portable enough.

    OpenBSD: Paranoid by default: paranoid by choice.

    OpenBSD: the choice of security-conscious systems administrators worldwide.

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  67. Re:Gnome3 by dragonfly_blue · · Score: 1

    Gnome3 has far surpassed my expectations on OpenBSD 5.5.

    It is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike Microsoft Windows, in every way.

    In fact, this is the last time I will even mention Gnome3 in the same paragraph as Windows. Promise.

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  68. The Long Term Five Eyes Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are a member of the military you are already on the watch list.
    If you work for a defense related company you are already on the watch list.
    Apparently if you use Linux, or Tor, or read Linux Journal, or read this ... you are already on the watch list.
    If the AI marks you as a potential future trouble maker, expect that eventually you will be quietly sidelined. You won't be fired, you will be made irrelevant. (You just won't get that promotion ... ever.)
    Eventually the AI will get good enough to pick children likely to become trouble makers. These children will discover higher hurdles in their education and future jobs. Again they will be steered into "safe", "low risk", low paying jobs. These people will be steered away from others of their kind to ensure they don't collaborate in their "trouble making".
    If you are a "trouble maker" your children will automatically be marked as "trouble makers".
    Eventually the AI will get good enough to pick which children will make charismatic, "right thinking", leaders. These children will find help and encouragement in their education and jobs. They will be steered into positions of power.
    Currently there is the computing equivalent of a desktop PC dedicated to watching each person on the watch list. The watching is extensive but not complete. As time goes on, more and more activities, "transactions", "feeds", become available on each watched person.
    In 10 to 20 years, the computing equivalent of one of today's super computers will be used to watch each targeted person, and instead of a list of a couple of million, (with a couple of tens of thousands of high value targets,) each person in the country will be watched.
    If you are 5Is, how do you get around the laws forbidding watching your own citizens? Get another of the 5Is to put everyone on their target list and feed everything you have to them...

  69. Mountain Dew connection by ulatekh · · Score: 1

    The problem started when the NSA realized that many programmers drink Mountain Dew, given its caffeine/sugar jolt.
    Add to that all those Mountain Dew commercials featuring "extreme" personalities.
    Treating programmers as extremists was simply the next logical step.

    Now pardon me, I must ride my snowboard down the side of the building while screaming "WOOOOOOOO!!!!"

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  70. The NSA also recruits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...people from that same group. They correctly assume that smart, talented people with serious computer skills are potentially more of a threat than morons. That is, its better than, say, keeping an eye out on readers of "high-times".

    This doesn't offend or surprise me at all.

  71. Re:Gnome3 by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

    Gnome3 has far surpassed my expectations.

    in which direction?

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  72. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do think you over-estimate the power of authority. The soviet union tried what you suggest and, yeah, NSA is up to something quite similar. BUT - despite their massive, well-equipped armed forces, despite their Tsheka, despite their propaganda efforts - they failed. Because you cannot "mandate" economic performance and creativity.

    This is a battle and you will win it BY using FOSS software, BY using ciphers so that your trade secrets will stay secret, BY turning off the mobile phone so they cannot manufacture "incidents" easily.

    Just tell them they are Little Tshekists and to eat out their soul.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka

    That's going to wear down their morale.

  73. Are they seriously monitoring anyone using Linux? by netsurfer912 · · Score: 1

    They are very welcome to look at my programs that don't even compile, crappy website and a whole lot of pictures of my cat. I'm an extremist, you know? They absolutely need to waste your tax money on me, it's for national security.

  74. Re: Are they seriously monitoring anyone using Lin by netsurfer912 · · Score: 1

    Wait a minute, I forgot that they can't break into Linux, that's why it's the top choice for extremists ;-)

  75. To a coward... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and then blame the people who elected THEM

    Yeah, but you have an electoral choice of one party or almost the exact same party but with an elephant mascot. Sure, they might have a few minor funding priority differences but it's window dressing. It's a one party state except the one party has split into two branches, to give an appearance of choice. You know, I reckon if China just did that - split the Communist party into the Communist People's party and the Communist Republican party, and then came up with a cosy arrangement that ensured that no other party had a cat's chance in hell of any power whatsoever and the two branches pretty much took turns at having power (a) everything would be just the same in China and (b) the West would hold them up as a paragon of the democratic ideal.

  76. Re:Actually they're saying they are going to watch by jeIlomizer · · Score: 1

    But neither should they need to do that to watch someone.

    So they should just be able to watch people for absolutely no reason at all, no warrants required?

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  77. Re:Actually they're saying they are going to watch by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    ... You don't need a warrant to pay attention to what people are doing.

      Does a cop need a warrant to watch a street corner? Obviously not.

    Anywhere in my post did I reference breaking into people's machines or compelling people to release information by court order or otherwise?

    no... I did not.

    So I'm talking about the sort of things you need warrants for at all.

    If the NSA is getting warrants to tap the communications of people that they don't know even did anything then that's obviously wrong.

    However, the NSA obviously should watch savvy computer groups to be aware of new technologies, new programs, new ideas, new threats, new talent, new names in the game, etc.

    If they don't pay attention then they're going to be clueless.

    Should they label people extremists simply because they have information that they might want? Obviously not.

    But then this is a lot of the consequences of the patriot act which is still screwing things up. The government just labels everyone a terrorist and then gets to do whatever it wants.

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  78. Situation normal - cross purposes by dbIII · · Score: 1

    The CIA ran guns to Castro while another portion opposed his revolution, and that's when the CIA was relatively small. One of the guys running guns to Castro later got mixed up in Watergate which is how that sillyness eventually came out in court and got into the press.

  79. The NSA is more extreme than you know by kevlar_rat · · Score: 1

    See, a rational person would have looked at what's going and concluded that the NSA's position is "of course you're more likely to be an extremist" rather than "of course you must be an extremist".

    This is a comment in the actual code used by the NSA:

    /* These variables define terms and websites relating to the TAILs (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) software program, a comsec mechanism advocated by extremists on extremist forums. */

    The source also says the NSA refers to "the Linux Journal - the Original Magazine of the Linux Community", and calls it an "extremist forum".

    So yes, the NSA, in their own words, do indeed believe if you use TAILS, or read The Linux Journal, you are an extremist.

  80. What "Publication" ? by Wdi · · Score: 1

    "Das Erste" is a (major) TV broadcaster and its name roughly translates as "TV1". The fact that they also have a Web site which summarizes the content of previously broadcast features does not change this.

  81. Extremism is evil by kevlar_rat · · Score: 1

    'Extremism' is an evil concept. An 'extremist' implies someone on the edges of the bell curve of belief - but guess what - most people think of themselves as being in the middle of that curve, no matter what their own beliefs. So in practice 'extremist' means 'extremely different from me'.
    The purpose of law enforcement should be to stop acts of violence, terrorism, subversion, whatever - but never to stop mere difference. In a violent society, peace is extremist. In a dictatorship, freedom is extremist. In a racially segregated society, equality is extremist.
    It's no wonder authorities love the word 'extremism', it's a slur for any kind of dissent.
    Remember, the direct opposite of 'extremism' is 'conformism'.

  82. Holy **** Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At some point, the (US) public reaction to this matter, as more and more awesomeness is revealed, has to change from the initial shock and discomfort over what arguably pushed right up close against Constitutional prohibitions, to something more like "Holy Shit That's Fucking Cool!!!!"

  83. Anti-economic NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm guessing they're anti-economic in that sense they're trying to prevent people outside the US to purchase US-made Linux-based items such as SBC's and whatnot. I can understand that but some people are just world-citizens and think that US creations are great and well worth the price (or how you say it)

  84. Super Villian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Super Villian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LsxmQV8AXk

  85. Re:Actually they're saying they are going to watch by X.25 · · Score: 1

    This is why a lot of political groups in the US are being labeled as extremists. Because there are some people in those groups that do crazy stuff like make bombs. Practically none of them do that but one out of a million does... and they need to watch for that.

    There are some Americans that make bombs.

    Better watch all of them. Just in case.

  86. Ever hear of something called a "sales pitch"? by marxmarv · · Score: 1

    It's what comes out of most Americans' mouths when they open. They can't help it, though. They've mostly accepted that social self-determination is bad and needs to be razed at gunpoint and replaced with markets.

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    1. Re:Ever hear of something called a "sales pitch"? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I am sorry you:

      1.) Live among most Americans
      2.) Chose to be a statistician.

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  87. Ah, ah, sources and methods by marxmarv · · Score: 1

    Rays can be traced both ways. Each bit of intelligence gathered provides information about how and whence it was collected. That's not the sort of thing you throw around casually unless you're trying to burn it. (See also "parallel construction".)

    Besides, why would they when GCHQ's already got a whole company of Internet trolls to run propaganda ops (or as they call them, "Internet effects operations") and outsourcing makes for cleaner hands and more deniability?

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  88. Speed limits are perfectly rational by marxmarv · · Score: 1

    as a means of keeping the working class obedient and docile and paying for the middle class. They are also rational from a safety perspective. The devil (or the intent to exploit, if you prefer) is in the details.

    The mistake is assuming that the ancien regime exists to serve you, which is not only laughably ahistorical, but nauseatingly consumerist. Unless you're part of the gentry, you exist to serve them.

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  89. "I hunt sysadmins" by marxmarv · · Score: 1

    I Hunt Sysadmins discusses why sysadmins are high-value targets. In short, sysadmins are often softer targets than the high-value Linux systems they might be paid to secure or administer. They probably use webmail or social networking services from PRISM partners, and the things they look up often reveal information about their projects and methods. The thrust of it is how to look at haystacks with CT technology instead of boring old flat radiographs, and as odious as the ends are, the means are the stuff of a fascinating, occasionally scintillating read. They are, after all, just a very large IT shop with a one-of-a-kind data set to play with.

    Of course the haystack analogy breaks down before it starts as there is no +1 Needle of Revealed Wisdom to locate and extract. Is Russia fomenting a "color revolution" in the US as payback for the two we gave them in Ukraine? Is China building a fifth column inside the US to ensure their trillions in dollar holdings will hold value? Is French heavy industry spying on major US political patrons and stealing intellectual "property" or business information? Does Germany still believe the USA is faithfully holding all their gold on deposit at Fort Knox? Is Elizabeth Warren really a danger to foreign investors favored by the ruling class? etc.

    If you think situational awareness is a waste, you're probably forgetting that government organizations can provide good service to customers iff the government thinks it's important. City hall treats you with hostility not because they're the government, but because you're not.

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  90. Random thoughts by marxmarv · · Score: 1

    DUAL_EC_DRBG was a random number generation algorithm that only its mother could love. It's slow, complex not provably more random than other algos, and comes with magic, unexplained constants, which are the last thing you want to see in an ostensible entropy generator based on asymmetric crypto... and if you want FIPS certification you have to use the given constants. Why did NSA want it in there so badly? Why, after a potential flaw was found and corrected, did NSA personnel "suggest" a change that, in retrospect, only made that putative flaw more reliably exploitable? Cryptologists explain.

    On the hardware side, Theodore T'so observed that Intel was very eager to have RDRAND be the exclusive source of entropy for the kernel's RNG, as was one goofball at Red Hat who tried to introduce a kernel parameter to do the same thing. He fought them both off, thankfully.

    In general, see also ProPublica on the SIGINT Enabling Project.

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  91. Colour me unsurprised! by Majestix · · Score: 1

    I was wondering when something like this would happen.

    K

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  92. There is a difference between fear and contempt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt they fear BoingBoing readers.

  93. First reaction by ABZB · · Score: 1

    While not surprised, given the standard set of stereotypes that generally seem to be employed, both justifiable and not, nevertheless: The Flibberty!?