After tinkering with Pro Tools LE, I have determined it's pretty much crap compared to the full deal
Um, so you've used a full up HD system?
The moment you get more than say, 10 effects going, LE craps out and complains about not enough CPU power
this isn't the fault of PTLE. Its the nature of the beast. Plugins are expensive in terms of resources. There are creative ways to use plugins (like not using them in realtime) to minimize this.
After reading about Garage Band, I am somewhat impressed... but keep in mind, I don't believe this to be a replacement for a decent Pro Tools rig.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not being a snob or anything, I think its great that Apple is introducing an entry-level system for those who want to just get into home recording, but for us folks who have been doing this recording thing for a while (nearly 10 years for myself) PT has no equal (as I have found)... and yes I'm referring to PT LE (that comes with Mbox, Digi 002 + 002r)... heh, don't know too many home recording folks who could afford or even want a full HD system:-D
What, no "George Lucas raped my childhood" posts? Come on now... we can all do better than this... than just to rehash "he's just trying to make money off the franchise" arguments.
I feel my/. experience is being raped because of the lack of "childhood was [insert horrible thing here] by George Lucas" posts here today. Damn.
What I think is funny and pathetic is that people who write that kind of shit allow someone to have that sort of power over them. Makes for some funny and sad reading.
Considering that I do look forward to the day when Linux is installed on every new desktop PC
This isn't a troll... I promise... just an honest question I'm curious about. Wouldn't this create another monoculture? I mean, its pretty obvious the pitfalls and dangers involved with monocultures... this too would be the same, just different flavor... right?
What I'd like to see is a more diverse OS field... where no one OS dominates. Yeah interoperability would be a concern, but less skewed distribution of Windows and a more even distribution of MacOS, Linux... BSD's, BeOS's... whatever. I know... total freekin pipe dream... but in terms of security. Things would be much better, where a script kiddie couldn't take down 80% of anything with one well written worm.
Songwriting and playing talent is a lot more important than what mic you're using.
Um, to some extent yes... but my point is, if you want need to get a sound, simulating it, isn't always the way to go. If you need that beautiful warmth that a vintage Neumann gives you, you can't duplicate it (accurately). I would argue that yes, the gear *does* matter, I know its popular in the home recording arena to believe otherwise... but I disagree with that concept.
One brag, we've decided to sell our house and have one built... so I finally get my own room (large enough too) for a studio. I've already started picking out woods for the isolation booths
Heh, when we built our house, I staked out the basement as my territory:-)
I have my studio down there, its a dual purpose area though (home theater) but it gives me the room I need to have a full blown (or at least my attempt) studio. One thing I have learned is... no matter how big the space is... it shrinks! Which is one of my motiviations to go more of a pro-tools route... reclaim some of that space.
You are absolutely correct. There will (probably) never be a replacement for a finely tuned commercial recording facility. The amount of work and art that goes into the design, construction and operating of a world class recording studio does indeed pay off in the final product. I mean, sing vocals into a Neumann U47 versus a Shure 58... yeah, there's a BIG difference. Use a classic Neve console versus a Mackie or a "virtual" console. There's a big difference in the sound.
These things cost huge amounts of money. Hell, I just priced a Neumann U47... $5,000. For one mic! A good 48 channel Neve... $500k and up.
Yeah, home recording is great, and there have been home recordings I have heard that rival many the output of many commercial studios I have heard, but to think that your laptop will suplant something like a Record Plant, um, probably won't happen.
I would recommend the Digdesign MBox, it comes with Pro Tools LE and the MBox itself has two mic pre's, all interfaced via USB into your PC.
Of course, if you need more inputs... the Digi 002 may be an option. Of course M-Audio (if you don't want to go the pro rools route) makes some damn fine USB/Firewire interfaces.
Heh, this is cool, as I am about to pluck down $2,200 for a Digi 002 and run it off my PowerBook 17" Eventually, within the next few months I'll probably be upgrading to the Control|24, as I like to have more than just 4 mic pres... and well, the idea of having 16 Focusrite pre's really gets me drooling.
I've been into home recording for almost 10 years, and have been pretty weary of going the PC-route, in that I've always thought of it as being "toy-ish" but now, with Digidesign getting into the more project studio market, its getting more "professional." This migration to PC-based production has been slow for me, in that right now (pre-Pro Tools) I am just doing "mastering" on my PowerBook (via T-Racks), but I've really become a believer in this PC production thing... especially when you have gear that is lacking.
This isn't new, in fact independent labels (like Victory Records, Drive Thru, Jade Tree etc.) have been going this for a long time (download full MP3's, completely legal)... and they are not any way tied to the RIAA.
Why this is news, is ridiculous... this type of model is just good business if you are an independent label, because this is what gives you your edge over the majors, your ability to be flexible, without sacrificing the bottom line.
I'm curious, and please don't take this the wrong way, how has Bill Gates wounded you? Did he hit you? Has he done real physical or mental harm to you... personally?
If you think so, you may want to seek some help because you *may* be taking this OS/computer stuff a bit too seriously. Time to loosen the grip a little.
Comparing the actions of Bill Gates to that of an abusive husband (or wife) is a bit not right I think.
If you were just joking, and I mis read the humor... nevermind:-D
The best decisions come from the integration of feeling and thought
When emotions enter the equation of making critical decisions, 9 times out of 10, you will make a poor decision (that other time you were just damn lucky).
Its a good thing good (successful) military commanders don't follow this highly flawed philosophy of using "feelings" to make decisions.
You use experience, wisdom, logic and analysis to make good decisions. Feelings and emotions are best left at the door.
I think the real issue is that a wise man would realize that SCO's days are numbered
Exactly! That is a rational and pratical approach. The rest is emotional. I think the writing is on the wall with regards to SCO's viability... and any right-thinking employee should have the resumes dusted off.
But if I'd had a family to feed at the time, the need to feed my family is the trump card. It is THE dominant philosophical issue
Here here, exactly. The right and correct attitude in my book. Those that sacrifice the stability and comfort of a spouse and children for the sake of making a political point are too centered on self and are completely disconnected with reality (I think I said that before).
disagree. If a person shows a willingness to stay with a company that is very obviously doing the Wrong Thing
So, how was a person who was working support, or development or whatever, doing the "Wrong Thing?"
Guilt by association?
In the big picture what SCO is doing is not really wrong, its just business... its bad business... and they will fail... but that's all it is, a very bad (and stupid) business decision made by a half wit and a gaggle of hungry lawyers. What you have is a bunch of fragile knee jerk geeks who think its true evil and get all bent out of shape when faced with confrontation. It isn't evil... and to punish those who just want to feed their kids, save for retirement and do their thing is not only unfair, but is stupid, supremely stupid.
To quit one's job over the SCO vs. Linux debate is intensly stupid and shows a real disconnect with reality... and to discriminate against those that don't is as stupid.
I think what gets lost is, in the grand scheme of things... this SCO thing is insignificant. In fact, I would say those that really cry the loudest about this are the one's that need it the most... gives them something to complain about on/. (over and over and over again)
First, this is a joke... we have a saying around here... goes something like: a good programmer is one who can replace all sys admins with a shell script.
Its a funny joke.
But anyway, I would becareful with your generalizations. I, as a programmer, have an enormous amount of respect for the admins because well, they know their shit and are pretty cool to boot... and you can't just say a programmer can be replaced by folks in India or Russia... as someone who has as much experience as I do, and not just hacking code, but doing analysis, design, consulting and all of the other things one gains by years of experience is not so easily replaced and is also considered a gem. Yeah sure college kids fresh from classes looking at jobs to do web development or whatever have a steeper hill to climb, but hey, that's the way its supposed to be... paying the dues and all that jazz.
Okay, I thought this was interesting. I got to thinking though, if by 2005 physical media will be well on its way out, that would mean that the vast majority of consumers of DVD (and whatever) would have to have broadband service (with the exception of on-demand via digital cable or satelite, but again, this infers broadband).
So, I went and googled and found this study that basically says that by 2005 only 40% (or so) of US house holds will have broadband service. This too, is a forecast. So, it just seems to me that this projected date of 2005 is a bit, well, optimistic?
Self interest doesn't equate to one having powerful reasons of their own You missed the point. To think that IBM has come to the side of OSS because of this high driving principle (e.g. idealism) is wrong.
Yeah, self interest is a very powerful reason and like I said, I was not discounting that.
I'm sorry, while I liked reading this open letter and found it mildly entertaining and also relevant and pretty much dead on in how it characterized SCO and in particular McBride... I do, however, have a problem with this bit here:
The very best kind of ally is one who comes to one's side for powerful reasons of his or her own. For principle Wrong.
I'm sorry, to think this is what forms alliances is so niave its laughable. Alliances are formed because they serve a self interest. If IBM didn't have a vested interest in open source it would not be an ally.
I am not discounting IBM's weight in this matter, nor am I marginalizing Raymond's assertions and opinions but this just seemed more of the wishful-thinking-head-in-the-clouds-out-of-touch-w ith-reality many in the open source community are prone to engage in. Not that its always bad, trust me, I'm there my fair share of the time, but, really. Come on now, I assure you IBM is all business... which again is not bad. I hope IBM isn't being lead around by their emotions.
I love the line from Jerry McGuire: "its not show friends, its show business." Not a bad way to think of this perhaps?
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After tinkering with Pro Tools LE, I have determined it's pretty much crap compared to the full deal
Um, so you've used a full up HD system?
The moment you get more than say, 10 effects going, LE craps out and complains about not enough CPU power
this isn't the fault of PTLE. Its the nature of the beast. Plugins are expensive in terms of resources. There are creative ways to use plugins (like not using them in realtime) to minimize this.
After reading about Garage Band, I am somewhat impressed... but keep in mind, I don't believe this to be a replacement for a decent Pro Tools rig.
:-D
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not being a snob or anything, I think its great that Apple is introducing an entry-level system for those who want to just get into home recording, but for us folks who have been doing this recording thing for a while (nearly 10 years for myself) PT has no equal (as I have found)... and yes I'm referring to PT LE (that comes with Mbox, Digi 002 + 002r)... heh, don't know too many home recording folks who could afford or even want a full HD system
Damn!! Where are the mod points when you need 'em. +5 Funny without question.
What, no "George Lucas raped my childhood" posts? Come on now... we can all do better than this... than just to rehash "he's just trying to make money off the franchise" arguments.
/. experience is being raped because of the lack of "childhood was [insert horrible thing here] by George Lucas" posts here today. Damn.
I feel my
What I think is funny and pathetic is that people who write that kind of shit allow someone to have that sort of power over them. Makes for some funny and sad reading.
So, lets get going here!
Considering that I do look forward to the day when Linux is installed on every new desktop PC
This isn't a troll... I promise... just an honest question I'm curious about. Wouldn't this create another monoculture? I mean, its pretty obvious the pitfalls and dangers involved with monocultures... this too would be the same, just different flavor... right?
What I'd like to see is a more diverse OS field... where no one OS dominates. Yeah interoperability would be a concern, but less skewed distribution of Windows and a more even distribution of MacOS, Linux... BSD's, BeOS's... whatever. I know... total freekin pipe dream... but in terms of security. Things would be much better, where a script kiddie couldn't take down 80% of anything with one well written worm.
You may want to take a look at this site. Lots of valuable information on the construction of a studio... from the home-studio perspective.
Its sorta like bible on the home recording BBS site.
Songwriting and playing talent is a lot more important than what mic you're using.
Um, to some extent yes... but my point is, if you want need to get a sound, simulating it, isn't always the way to go. If you need that beautiful warmth that a vintage Neumann gives you, you can't duplicate it (accurately). I would argue that yes, the gear *does* matter, I know its popular in the home recording arena to believe otherwise... but I disagree with that concept.
One brag, we've decided to sell our house and have one built... so I finally get my own room (large enough too) for a studio. I've already started picking out woods for the isolation booths
:-)
Heh, when we built our house, I staked out the basement as my territory
I have my studio down there, its a dual purpose area though (home theater) but it gives me the room I need to have a full blown (or at least my attempt) studio. One thing I have learned is... no matter how big the space is... it shrinks! Which is one of my motiviations to go more of a pro-tools route... reclaim some of that space.
From the site:
:-D
and compatibility with both Pro Tools TDM- and LE-based systems
I know that the control|24 is *just* a control surface
You are absolutely correct. There will (probably) never be a replacement for a finely tuned commercial recording facility. The amount of work and art that goes into the design, construction and operating of a world class recording studio does indeed pay off in the final product. I mean, sing vocals into a Neumann U47 versus a Shure 58... yeah, there's a BIG difference. Use a classic Neve console versus a Mackie or a "virtual" console. There's a big difference in the sound.
These things cost huge amounts of money. Hell, I just priced a Neumann U47... $5,000. For one mic! A good 48 channel Neve... $500k and up.
Yeah, home recording is great, and there have been home recordings I have heard that rival many the output of many commercial studios I have heard, but to think that your laptop will suplant something like a Record Plant, um, probably won't happen.
I would recommend the Digdesign MBox, it comes with Pro Tools LE and the MBox itself has two mic pre's, all interfaced via USB into your PC.
Of course, if you need more inputs... the Digi 002 may be an option. Of course M-Audio (if you don't want to go the pro rools route) makes some damn fine USB/Firewire interfaces.
Heh, this is cool, as I am about to pluck down $2,200 for a Digi 002 and run it off my PowerBook 17" Eventually, within the next few months I'll probably be upgrading to the Control|24, as I like to have more than just 4 mic pres... and well, the idea of having 16 Focusrite pre's really gets me drooling.
I've been into home recording for almost 10 years, and have been pretty weary of going the PC-route, in that I've always thought of it as being "toy-ish" but now, with Digidesign getting into the more project studio market, its getting more "professional." This migration to PC-based production has been slow for me, in that right now (pre-Pro Tools) I am just doing "mastering" on my PowerBook (via T-Racks), but I've really become a believer in this PC production thing... especially when you have gear that is lacking.
Sorry, Victory Records is NOT a member, Victory Music is NOT Victory Records.
Victory Records is based in Chicago, and has bands like Snapcase.
This isn't new, in fact independent labels (like Victory Records, Drive Thru, Jade Tree etc.) have been going this for a long time (download full MP3's, completely legal)... and they are not any way tied to the RIAA.
Why this is news, is ridiculous... this type of model is just good business if you are an independent label, because this is what gives you your edge over the majors, your ability to be flexible, without sacrificing the bottom line.
the scale *is* a bit off.
Yer right... lets engage in wealth redistribution! Lets reward those who do nothing, and lets make sure to remove any incentive to do better.
Oh wait, stupid me, we already do that! Thanks IRS!
I'm curious, and please don't take this the wrong way, how has Bill Gates wounded you? Did he hit you? Has he done real physical or mental harm to you... personally?
:-D
If you think so, you may want to seek some help because you *may* be taking this OS/computer stuff a bit too seriously. Time to loosen the grip a little.
Comparing the actions of Bill Gates to that of an abusive husband (or wife) is a bit not right I think.
If you were just joking, and I mis read the humor... nevermind
The best decisions come from the integration of feeling and thought
When emotions enter the equation of making critical decisions, 9 times out of 10, you will make a poor decision (that other time you were just damn lucky).
Its a good thing good (successful) military commanders don't follow this highly flawed philosophy of using "feelings" to make decisions.
You use experience, wisdom, logic and analysis to make good decisions. Feelings and emotions are best left at the door.
I think the real issue is that a wise man would realize that SCO's days are numbered
Exactly! That is a rational and pratical approach. The rest is emotional. I think the writing is on the wall with regards to SCO's viability... and any right-thinking employee should have the resumes dusted off.
But if I'd had a family to feed at the time, the need to feed my family is the trump card. It is THE dominant philosophical issue
Here here, exactly. The right and correct attitude in my book. Those that sacrifice the stability and comfort of a spouse and children for the sake of making a political point are too centered on self and are completely disconnected with reality (I think I said that before).
Okay fine, so are you saying that what SCO is doing is on the level of robbing a bank (read: committing a felony) ???
That's a stretch. The worker at SCO isn't breaking the law by working at SCO
disagree. If a person shows a willingness to stay with a company that is very obviously doing the Wrong Thing
/. (over and over and over again)
So, how was a person who was working support, or development or whatever, doing the "Wrong Thing?"
Guilt by association?
In the big picture what SCO is doing is not really wrong, its just business... its bad business... and they will fail... but that's all it is, a very bad (and stupid) business decision made by a half wit and a gaggle of hungry lawyers. What you have is a bunch of fragile knee jerk geeks who think its true evil and get all bent out of shape when faced with confrontation. It isn't evil... and to punish those who just want to feed their kids, save for retirement and do their thing is not only unfair, but is stupid, supremely stupid.
To quit one's job over the SCO vs. Linux debate is intensly stupid and shows a real disconnect with reality... and to discriminate against those that don't is as stupid.
I think what gets lost is, in the grand scheme of things... this SCO thing is insignificant. In fact, I would say those that really cry the loudest about this are the one's that need it the most... gives them something to complain about on
Can't you see it? Its so very simple. The "evidence" points to a now deceased man Morasco. Look at the last three letters in his name!
Its all a plot I tell you! SCO is out to control our minds!
Where's my tin foil hat?
First, this is a joke... we have a saying around here... goes something like: a good programmer is one who can replace all sys admins with a shell script.
Its a funny joke.
But anyway, I would becareful with your generalizations. I, as a programmer, have an enormous amount of respect for the admins because well, they know their shit and are pretty cool to boot... and you can't just say a programmer can be replaced by folks in India or Russia... as someone who has as much experience as I do, and not just hacking code, but doing analysis, design, consulting and all of the other things one gains by years of experience is not so easily replaced and is also considered a gem. Yeah sure college kids fresh from classes looking at jobs to do web development or whatever have a steeper hill to climb, but hey, that's the way its supposed to be... paying the dues and all that jazz.
Okay, I thought this was interesting. I got to thinking though, if by 2005 physical media will be well on its way out, that would mean that the vast majority of consumers of DVD (and whatever) would have to have broadband service (with the exception of on-demand via digital cable or satelite, but again, this infers broadband).
So, I went and googled and found this study that basically says that by 2005 only 40% (or so) of US house holds will have broadband service. This too, is a forecast. So, it just seems to me that this projected date of 2005 is a bit, well, optimistic?
Self interest doesn't equate to one having powerful reasons of their own
You missed the point. To think that IBM has come to the side of OSS because of this high driving principle (e.g. idealism) is wrong.
Yeah, self interest is a very powerful reason and like I said, I was not discounting that.
I'm sorry, while I liked reading this open letter and found it mildly entertaining and also relevant and pretty much dead on in how it characterized SCO and in particular McBride... I do, however, have a problem with this bit here:
w ith-reality many in the open source community are prone to engage in. Not that its always bad, trust me, I'm there my fair share of the time, but, really. Come on now, I assure you IBM is all business... which again is not bad. I hope IBM isn't being lead around by their emotions.
The very best kind of ally is one who comes to one's side for powerful reasons of his or her own. For principle
Wrong.
I'm sorry, to think this is what forms alliances is so niave its laughable. Alliances are formed because they serve a self interest. If IBM didn't have a vested interest in open source it would not be an ally.
I am not discounting IBM's weight in this matter, nor am I marginalizing Raymond's assertions and opinions but this just seemed more of the wishful-thinking-head-in-the-clouds-out-of-touch-
I love the line from Jerry McGuire: "its not show friends, its show business." Not a bad way to think of this perhaps?