Your entire premise is based on the faulty assumption that Microsoft decided he cheated by observing his gameplay traits/skill either directly or with automation. They claim he cheated ACHIEVEMENTS. This usually means someone tinkered with their xbox to give themselves a bunch of achievements illicitly and is easily detectable by Microsoft by analyzing the CODE that is running when the achievements are given and not the player's gameplay. Heck you could even just look at the timestamps probably. Probably didn't get 40 achievements from 10 different games in 30 seconds. That sort of thing where there is no gray area involving outlier skill because the assessment of cheating has absolutely nothing to do with skill or ability.
Right, because I'm sure there'd be no outrage in publicly humiliating an underage autistic child by detailing his cheating to the public. If the mother doesn't believe what MS told her she's welcome to take the evidence to the court of public opinion but that's her choice not Microsoft's.
Hell, by the time you get 5% you can be damn sure one if not both of the other two parties will change their tune on whatever issue is causing people to vote that way in order to try to gain that 5% for themselves and then you've done what you wanted.
Ummm, I'm going to call utter bullshit on that one when it comes to modern day fighter jets. And programming a plane to be a UAV and then sitting a chimp in the cockpit as cargo doesn't really count as flying. Hell, if Chimps have even been taught to actually land any plane using full control of stick, flaps, rudder pedals and throttle I'd like to see the citation.
I think you should re-read the textbook. I didn't make a circular argument defining "good christian homes" as not being full of violence and depravity. I simply pointed out the logical impossibility that if "good christian homes" are full of violence and depravity and there are many Christians in the world then it wouldn't make sense for few people to even be able to imagine let alone witness the violence and depravity he did. GP is the one making the universal claim, not me, and I'm not dismissing a counterexample through circular logic but instead pointing out the faulty logic in his universal claim
Even had I taken the tack of saying "well it's not a good Christian home because it was full of violence and depravity" it would be a form of the No Scotsman fallacy but that's not necessarily a bad thing as long as we understand I am presenting what I believe to be a unfalsifiable axiom and not a conclusion.
Presenting unfalsifiable axioms are not necessarily a bad thing. For example, I might say "No Good work environment involves forced rape." You can point out what you believe to be "good work environments" where people get forcibly raped all you want but I'm just going to say they aren't good work environments because I wasn't presenting a conclusion that even has the possibility of being disproved by counterexample but instead preventing an unproved axiom that is self evident. You can disagree with the axiom but that doesn't mean I'm committing some sort of logical sin in having such an axiom.
I have but I've never heard of anyone kicked out of a church for not doing it. Also tithing usually includes money given to charities and the like. Faith be oppressing people into choosing to help the less fortunate huh?
Just because youre not opressed enough by the catholic church as europeans were hundreds of years ago (some still chose to be now...) doesnt mean thats not the foundation of a religion.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. You think I'm not being oppressed enough by the Catholic Church? Just because religion doesn't do something anymore doesn't mean that thing isn't it's foundation? I might be confused about foundations and all but I'm pretty sure a structure has to have one to exist. I've replaced foundations in buildings before, but you certainly can't leave a building devoid of one, unless it's in space. Hmmm...a space church....I'll be right back.
I don't see how this relates at all to the topic I was addressing but I'd agree with the money issue. I've never seen a church that required you to pay anything though unless you want to use their building for a wedding or something, which seems rather understandable to me. Unless we're going to consider asking for donations to be the definition of corrupt now and lump that child cancer hospital that asks for donations at the movie theater into the corrupt category.
I don't understand why having principals and guides about how children should be raised would make a faith corrupt. We're talking about a way of life here, and your claiming that no way of life should guide someone in how to deal with the biggest part of most people's lives? That just doesn't make any sense.
I know this because I have lived in a "good christian home" and saw violence and depravity that few can imagine
If few can even imagine the "violence and depravity" you witnessed at home, and Christianity is one of the world's major religions, it stands to reason that perhaps by any definition of Christianity that you didn't actually live in a "good Christian home". Also I don't know what version of the bible you're reading "every chapter, every verse, and every word" of but if it has anything about the Spanish Inquisition being the foundation of Christianity then you should probably buy a new one.
We need to wake up and realize that religious fundamentalism of every stripe is the root cause of most of the world's problems, and then effectively deal with it.
No, this sentence with a different group targeted is the cause of most of the world's wars. And it's only the cause because it convinces people who do not like the targeted group to let it happen and even join in. The root cause it the motives of the person who uses this sentence to get everyone else on board even though their actual goal might simply be nationalistic pride, wealth, or territory.
We need to wake up and realize that terrorists of every stripe is the root cause of most of the world's problems, and then effectively deal with it. - Current Wars
We need to wake up and realize that communism of every stripe is the root cause of most of the world's problems, and then effectively deal with it. - Vietnam, Korea
We need to wake up and realize that Jews of every stripe is the root cause of most of the world's problems, and then effectively deal with it. - World War 2
Congrats, you're exactly what you're railing against with a different color paint.
Is it possible that both of you see the people on your side if the argument through biased lens of "clearly they are more intelligent people who have done way more research into the the matter because they reached the same opinion as me, and anyone who reaches a different opinion must not know as much as me or have ulterior motives."
It is a rare day indeed when you find a person who will admit that someone who disagrees with them has done an adequate amount of research and fact finding and simply has reached a different well informed opinion. We always want to believe people who disagree with us simply don't have all the facts or dismiss their opinions as misinformed ignorant sheep.
Actually some of the prison guards are still pursued to this day. The difference between the heads and the guards is when they all flee the concentration camp before the allies arrive few people remember the names of individual guards and they are harder to track down. Everyone remembers the commandant. It's merely a small fish get through the nets easier issue, not that they are thrown back when they're caught.
Or perhaps Google pointed out Iran could already just use a proxy to access/download Google earth without anyone able to stop them currently and our government really is that reasonable?
Programmers can not be held liable, have no professional license, no government accountable body, no code of ethics, no liability insurance, or other measures in place to directly protect the public.
Think about it.
Professional Engineer != Engineer
Unless of course you wish to make the argument that making say, a space shuttle, doesn't require any "real" engineers or didn't you know that aerospace engineering is largely unregulated with no professional license, no government accountable body, no code of ethics, no liability insurance or other measures in place to directly protect the public from the individual engineer rather than the company or organization? The same thing with the majority of mechanical engineers, as cars don't require professional engineers because they are under interstate commerce and it's the State's that license professional engineers. Really it seems your only view of engineering here is people that make buildings and bridges. Exciting, glad you loved your statics and materials science course so much. The rest of us "engineers" in the later half of the 20th century are going to go over here and keep building spaceships, cars, missiles and airplanes and you know what? We're even going to put SOFTWARE in them and we're going to do it ALL without a professional license from the great state of *insert your local jurisdiction here which doesn't govern space, the sky, or even interstate roads*
Believe it or not, the profession of engineering existed long before jurisdictions realized they could make money by charging people fees for professional licensing to "protect the public" while at the same time protecting local jobs by making it harder for out-of-state engineers to do work there unless they go through the local licensing process.
Can you post this proof? From what I remember it wasn't inadvertent, it was one of the reasons he hacked her account in the first place (the accusations already existed) and when he did nothing that was released looked like official correspondence conducting state business but simply private personal conversations between friends. Of course that didn't matter to the people making the claims in the first place because they just shout "leaked emails prove wrongdoing!" and everyone like yourself keeps repeating it years later without ever bothering to check for yourself or listen to ANY of the news reports at the time which contradict your point of view.
You just listed what the maximum allowables for sentencing are, not what he was actually sentenced to, which is 366 days in a minimum security prison, dorm style, little to no fencing, low worker-prisoner ratio, and a focus on job skills and work development. How is that stupid, spiteful and harmful to society as a whole?
This isn't informative it's just plain WRONG. Please, post an email that shows the conduction of official state business rather than private personal communication. And not just the names on the emails, but the actual content as coworkers are sometimes friends that have personal discussions too. As far as I remember all the emails shown were of a personal nature but the idea that she was using it for official correspondence pre-dated the leak so people just up and decided that the leak confirmed what they already beleived despite every major news outlet and the actual leaked emails contradicting them.
Yea, that would teach him his lesson, and teach everyone else that all they need to do is act dumb and they can screw with the communications of an election campaign in a hope to influence results and break into peoples emails and all they will get is "the lightest of punishments" in order to "rehabilitate" them. Sentences are always meant to be both punishment to the offender and deterrents to the rest of society. Rehabilitation is tertiary and should never be used as the main objective of sentencing. Once a person has been sentenced THEN the systems goal should be rehabilitation while they serve their sentence.
No, the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is the rule of law for both civilians and soldiers tried under the UCMJ.
The supreme court ruled that the Angola 3 have a valid case against the State of Louisiana and specifically called their stint in solitary "inhumane and unconstitutional" so I wouldn't exactly try to use their punishment as precedent for what's acceptable. That being said I agree there's a huge disparity between a couple months as you get transferred stateside and get ready for trial and 30 years.
People have always believed that it's perfectly acceptable to kill off other species to keep humans around. Why do you think the Grizzley bear and wolf populations got so low?
Who are you to say that we are more important than, say, the really clever octopods who will come after us?
What a stupid question. I'm more important because I'm me and I want to live, and if that motherfucking octopod thinks he's going to take my place he better bring a whole bunch of bros and some serious weaponry otherwise he's ending up on my plate for dinner. I think a better question is what type of self hating species WOULDN'T do anything and everything in their power to survive? If you feel a deep rooted urge to jump into killer whale's mouths in order to save THEIR species then by all means do so before you spread your genes and hurt ours.
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Your entire premise is based on the faulty assumption that Microsoft decided he cheated by observing his gameplay traits/skill either directly or with automation. They claim he cheated ACHIEVEMENTS. This usually means someone tinkered with their xbox to give themselves a bunch of achievements illicitly and is easily detectable by Microsoft by analyzing the CODE that is running when the achievements are given and not the player's gameplay. Heck you could even just look at the timestamps probably. Probably didn't get 40 achievements from 10 different games in 30 seconds. That sort of thing where there is no gray area involving outlier skill because the assessment of cheating has absolutely nothing to do with skill or ability.
Right, because I'm sure there'd be no outrage in publicly humiliating an underage autistic child by detailing his cheating to the public. If the mother doesn't believe what MS told her she's welcome to take the evidence to the court of public opinion but that's her choice not Microsoft's.
Maybe we all work for corporations and are perfectly awake...all the time. Happy dreams.
Hell, by the time you get 5% you can be damn sure one if not both of the other two parties will change their tune on whatever issue is causing people to vote that way in order to try to gain that 5% for themselves and then you've done what you wanted.
Sorry, but chimps have been taught to fly planes
Ummm, I'm going to call utter bullshit on that one when it comes to modern day fighter jets. And programming a plane to be a UAV and then sitting a chimp in the cockpit as cargo doesn't really count as flying. Hell, if Chimps have even been taught to actually land any plane using full control of stick, flaps, rudder pedals and throttle I'd like to see the citation.
I think you should re-read the textbook. I didn't make a circular argument defining "good christian homes" as not being full of violence and depravity. I simply pointed out the logical impossibility that if "good christian homes" are full of violence and depravity and there are many Christians in the world then it wouldn't make sense for few people to even be able to imagine let alone witness the violence and depravity he did. GP is the one making the universal claim, not me, and I'm not dismissing a counterexample through circular logic but instead pointing out the faulty logic in his universal claim
Even had I taken the tack of saying "well it's not a good Christian home because it was full of violence and depravity" it would be a form of the No Scotsman fallacy but that's not necessarily a bad thing as long as we understand I am presenting what I believe to be a unfalsifiable axiom and not a conclusion.
Presenting unfalsifiable axioms are not necessarily a bad thing. For example, I might say "No Good work environment involves forced rape." You can point out what you believe to be "good work environments" where people get forcibly raped all you want but I'm just going to say they aren't good work environments because I wasn't presenting a conclusion that even has the possibility of being disproved by counterexample but instead preventing an unproved axiom that is self evident. You can disagree with the axiom but that doesn't mean I'm committing some sort of logical sin in having such an axiom.
Have you ever heard of a "tithe"?
I have but I've never heard of anyone kicked out of a church for not doing it. Also tithing usually includes money given to charities and the like. Faith be oppressing people into choosing to help the less fortunate huh?
Just because youre not opressed enough by the catholic church as europeans were hundreds of years ago (some still chose to be now...) doesnt mean thats not the foundation of a religion.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. You think I'm not being oppressed enough by the Catholic Church? Just because religion doesn't do something anymore doesn't mean that thing isn't it's foundation? I might be confused about foundations and all but I'm pretty sure a structure has to have one to exist. I've replaced foundations in buildings before, but you certainly can't leave a building devoid of one, unless it's in space. Hmmm...a space church....I'll be right back.
I don't see how this relates at all to the topic I was addressing but I'd agree with the money issue. I've never seen a church that required you to pay anything though unless you want to use their building for a wedding or something, which seems rather understandable to me. Unless we're going to consider asking for donations to be the definition of corrupt now and lump that child cancer hospital that asks for donations at the movie theater into the corrupt category.
I don't understand why having principals and guides about how children should be raised would make a faith corrupt. We're talking about a way of life here, and your claiming that no way of life should guide someone in how to deal with the biggest part of most people's lives? That just doesn't make any sense.
And since the entire world has a deep and profound respect for patent laws this would never have any downside ;)
Not saying this is the real reason here, just that it's not implausible
I know this because I have lived in a "good christian home" and saw violence and depravity that few can imagine
If few can even imagine the "violence and depravity" you witnessed at home, and Christianity is one of the world's major religions, it stands to reason that perhaps by any definition of Christianity that you didn't actually live in a "good Christian home". Also I don't know what version of the bible you're reading "every chapter, every verse, and every word" of but if it has anything about the Spanish Inquisition being the foundation of Christianity then you should probably buy a new one.
It would also stop the suicide bombing, since they would be able to target what they really want to hurt: the IDF.
Yea, I'm sure the suicide bombers attack crowded lunchtime cafes because they just can't possibly find an IDF checkpoint.
We need to wake up and realize that religious fundamentalism of every stripe is the root cause of most of the world's problems, and then effectively deal with it.
No, this sentence with a different group targeted is the cause of most of the world's wars. And it's only the cause because it convinces people who do not like the targeted group to let it happen and even join in. The root cause it the motives of the person who uses this sentence to get everyone else on board even though their actual goal might simply be nationalistic pride, wealth, or territory.
Congrats, you're exactly what you're railing against with a different color paint.
Is it possible that both of you see the people on your side if the argument through biased lens of "clearly they are more intelligent people who have done way more research into the the matter because they reached the same opinion as me, and anyone who reaches a different opinion must not know as much as me or have ulterior motives."
It is a rare day indeed when you find a person who will admit that someone who disagrees with them has done an adequate amount of research and fact finding and simply has reached a different well informed opinion. We always want to believe people who disagree with us simply don't have all the facts or dismiss their opinions as misinformed ignorant sheep.
Actually some of the prison guards are still pursued to this day. The difference between the heads and the guards is when they all flee the concentration camp before the allies arrive few people remember the names of individual guards and they are harder to track down. Everyone remembers the commandant. It's merely a small fish get through the nets easier issue, not that they are thrown back when they're caught.
Really, y'all proved P==NP in your first year of undergrad and didn't bother sharing it?
Or perhaps Google pointed out Iran could already just use a proxy to access/download Google earth without anyone able to stop them currently and our government really is that reasonable?
Once and for all, programmers are not Engineers.
Programmers can not be held liable, have no professional license, no government accountable body, no code of ethics, no liability insurance, or other measures in place to directly protect the public.
Think about it.
Professional Engineer != Engineer
Unless of course you wish to make the argument that making say, a space shuttle, doesn't require any "real" engineers or didn't you know that aerospace engineering is largely unregulated with no professional license, no government accountable body, no code of ethics, no liability insurance or other measures in place to directly protect the public from the individual engineer rather than the company or organization? The same thing with the majority of mechanical engineers, as cars don't require professional engineers because they are under interstate commerce and it's the State's that license professional engineers. Really it seems your only view of engineering here is people that make buildings and bridges. Exciting, glad you loved your statics and materials science course so much. The rest of us "engineers" in the later half of the 20th century are going to go over here and keep building spaceships, cars, missiles and airplanes and you know what? We're even going to put SOFTWARE in them and we're going to do it ALL without a professional license from the great state of *insert your local jurisdiction here which doesn't govern space, the sky, or even interstate roads*
Believe it or not, the profession of engineering existed long before jurisdictions realized they could make money by charging people fees for professional licensing to "protect the public" while at the same time protecting local jobs by making it harder for out-of-state engineers to do work there unless they go through the local licensing process.
Can you post this proof? From what I remember it wasn't inadvertent, it was one of the reasons he hacked her account in the first place (the accusations already existed) and when he did nothing that was released looked like official correspondence conducting state business but simply private personal conversations between friends. Of course that didn't matter to the people making the claims in the first place because they just shout "leaked emails prove wrongdoing!" and everyone like yourself keeps repeating it years later without ever bothering to check for yourself or listen to ANY of the news reports at the time which contradict your point of view.
You just listed what the maximum allowables for sentencing are, not what he was actually sentenced to, which is 366 days in a minimum security prison, dorm style, little to no fencing, low worker-prisoner ratio, and a focus on job skills and work development. How is that stupid, spiteful and harmful to society as a whole?
This isn't informative it's just plain WRONG. Please, post an email that shows the conduction of official state business rather than private personal communication. And not just the names on the emails, but the actual content as coworkers are sometimes friends that have personal discussions too. As far as I remember all the emails shown were of a personal nature but the idea that she was using it for official correspondence pre-dated the leak so people just up and decided that the leak confirmed what they already beleived despite every major news outlet and the actual leaked emails contradicting them.
I heard many of the districts she targeted were also hit with heavy snowstorms. Coincidence? I think not!
Yea, that would teach him his lesson, and teach everyone else that all they need to do is act dumb and they can screw with the communications of an election campaign in a hope to influence results and break into peoples emails and all they will get is "the lightest of punishments" in order to "rehabilitate" them. Sentences are always meant to be both punishment to the offender and deterrents to the rest of society. Rehabilitation is tertiary and should never be used as the main objective of sentencing. Once a person has been sentenced THEN the systems goal should be rehabilitation while they serve their sentence.
No, the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is the rule of law for both civilians and soldiers tried under the UCMJ.
The supreme court ruled that the Angola 3 have a valid case against the State of Louisiana and specifically called their stint in solitary "inhumane and unconstitutional" so I wouldn't exactly try to use their punishment as precedent for what's acceptable. That being said I agree there's a huge disparity between a couple months as you get transferred stateside and get ready for trial and 30 years.
People have always believed that it's perfectly acceptable to kill off other species to keep humans around. Why do you think the Grizzley bear and wolf populations got so low?
Who are you to say that we are more important than, say, the really clever octopods who will come after us?
What a stupid question. I'm more important because I'm me and I want to live, and if that motherfucking octopod thinks he's going to take my place he better bring a whole bunch of bros and some serious weaponry otherwise he's ending up on my plate for dinner. I think a better question is what type of self hating species WOULDN'T do anything and everything in their power to survive? If you feel a deep rooted urge to jump into killer whale's mouths in order to save THEIR species then by all means do so before you spread your genes and hurt ours.