You're more likely to expect broken compatibility with a point release, as opposed to an incremental release. But your point is valid, most software vendors have sacrificed compatibility for various reasons when users least expect it.
The difference with UNIX(TM)-ish tool-based OSS (vs monolithic software packages) is that because of the decentralized nature of development, point releases are unlikely to be coordinated into a convenient upgrade. At any given moment, one package or another is moving up to a non-compatible release. Depending on which package it is, this can be a real pain in the ass.
The solution is dependency-checking package systems like rpm. If plug-in developers stopped using the old netscape (drop it in the plugin folder) install method, and started using packages with dependencies, that would solve alot of these kind of problems.
Wouldn't this be nice???: root$ rpm -Uvh mozilla-1.4.i686.rpm mozilla-1.4 requires:
adobe-acrobat-6.0
plugger-5.0
streaming-porn-1.1 download and install required packages from foo-foo linux ftp server (y/n)?
If it turns out that SCO's claims against IBM have no validity, and that SCO insiders sold any significant amount of stock since ~April 6, 2003.... SCO will probably be in for some heavy shareholder lawsuits, and SEC action. SCO's stock price was about $1.40 on Feb 3rd, $3.00 on April 3rd, and is now hovering around $8.50.
At this price, the company is now worth about $100 Mil. At $1.40/share, it was worth less than $20 Mil. At either price, SCO is overvalued, but a buyout would be chump change to most SV players. Sun probably would gain the most, they could move anybody left on sco to solaris86, and use sco's customer list/services biz to push new solaris and raq sales. They'd also save a little cash on thier license for UNIX(TM).
larry & co have been pushing oracle on linux for years. after all, if you run oracle on a stable and cheap OS, there's more licensing and support $$$ left over for larry.
larry's support for linux is not a big deal for sun (at least it wasn't when he started), since 99.999% of linux runs on x86, and (almost)nobody uses solaris on x86.
larry has always hated bill. he's a simple man. he wants, power money and women(in that order), and bill is after the first two. linus is a hippie who's already married, so there's more for larry with linux.
well here is fairfax, va we have cox cable and they used to do "$5/month per additional pc" but i think since they switched from roadrunner to homegrown, they are more customer friendly. Now they say they don't "support" home networks, and if you can't figure it out yourself, it's $5/month per extra pc for a direct connection. i think they realized that in "the home of the internet" (just ask al gore), a huge % of customers have networks at home behind a nat box. i think the *real* bottom line is, more nat boxes means (slightly) better security, means less worms/breakins, means lower bandwith usage overall, means more profit.
the "beginning" of a hard drive is the outer edge. the drive platter has a fairly constant data density, so the outer cylinders(concentric circles) have more sectors(slices of the concentric circle) than the inner cylinders. So on an outer cylinder, more sectors pass under the read/write head per rotation than on an inner cylinder. with cdroms the data is written from inside out, which means that the slowest part of the disc is used first. this behavior is probably a remnant of the days when the cd drive was designed to maintain a constant data rate under the laser, rather than a constant rotational speed of the disc.
the only reason that "verizon avenue" might be any good is because: "Verizon spent $295 million to acquire OnePoint in December 2000, and renamed the company Verizon Avenue. The subsidiary provides DSL access to condominiums and apartments throughout the country, competing with rivals BellSouth, SBC Communications, and Qwest Communications."
I had OnePoint at my apartment in 2000, and right after the buyout, my prices went way up. OnePoint was the only company in Northern VA to compete for local phone service. So much for antitrust regulation.... verizon sucks.
It's fair to say apple has a long history of bucking trends and using non-standard technologies. This is not to say that they always adopted closed tech, but shouldn't thinking different mean being different? In the last 5 years however, apple has made the switch to nearly all standard and open tech, even the stuff that they develop in-house. Note firewire, darwin & rendezvous. I'd imagine that for apple ( besides lean & mean) a big selling point for KHTML over Mozilla is that mozilla makes a point of being "omniplatform", while KDE stuff is really designed for unix. They get to be open and standard, but still keep their work from benefiting windows. It's the smarter move.
1. Cut taxes on the wealthy 2. pretend to serve justice to corporate criminals 2.1 bomb various brown peoples 2.2 form secret police 2.3 create all-knowing govt data warehouse 2.4 detain low wage immigrants 2.5 slash interest rates 2.6 wait x years 3. Economy magically rebounds!
wha they really need to go along with a real scripting environment is to integrate it with the gui like apple does with applescript. Then anything can be reliably scripted.
hey wait a minute, if they do that, how are the MCSEs gonna make a living? I guess they'll just have to half-ass it like they do everything else.
i was gonna disregard your comment as flamebait, but then i decided i'd rather respond....
First off, I disagree somewhat with the opinion that this ISP is neglecting their goal of providing service. I'm sure if this guy wants to pay he can get his own segment behind (or in front of) the firewall, and he'll have whatever ports protocols he wants open. But the reality is that most hosting providers must offer competitive prices, and that means reducing administrative overhead, and providing some "no frills" service packages. This usually means some customers share the same switched segment (in essence the same security domain), have restricted bandwith, and limited ports to communicate on. So, it's in the collective best interests of these customers that security precautions be taken across the board.
Tha said, suggesting using an NTP reciever is a genuinely helpful comment, and a good idea. Even if he can't get gps reception in his particular rack, he may be able to persuade the ISP to offer ntp service from a GPS reciever/ntp server that they buy and manage (i'd pay an extra $2/month for that, and $2*month*customer*server is a pretty good source of income. Generally a business would be more receptive to an idea that leads to more revenue. I'm sure the ISP would find a way to run an antenna for that....
> Why has IBM not yet taken a keen interest in *BSD?
because of the bsd license i presume. seems to me that in the real world, the "pro-commercial" intents of the bsd license do more to discourage commercial use of bsd than the "anti-commercial" intents of the gpl seems to discourage commercial use of linux.
there are certainly a number of companies using bsd, and developing products based on bsd, but there are far more doing the same with linux. I suspect that in time they'll be a more even comparison between gnu(hurd) and bsd.
of course, there's a whole idealogical war over this issue.
that's what I've saying for years. my stoopid assfriends never understood why it was worth it to spend another 30-50 bucks on a better monitor, or to pay 40 bucks for a nice mouse/trackball.
now those jackasses are buying wrist straps and coke bottle glasses.;-)
Mobile cpus have a pretty good bit of modificaton over desktops cpus, primarily designed to reduce heat. cuz the cooler it runs, the faster it can run safely in a laptop enclosure.
1. basic voltage reductions/optimizations
2. some mobile cpus can switch off idle units
3. mobile cpus generally have different on chip
cache sizes than their desktop equivalents
4. the ability to change speeds/voltages on the fly
Tom's Hardware talks about some of this stuff in this article.
How is using "firewire IP" (whatever that is...) different from using "ethernet IP"? If there's no common filesystem that both machines can handle, you still need NFS or SMB or something similar to share filesystems. Connectivity is not the issue, it's compatability. Unlike USB, firewire allows more than one cpu on a chain, so both machines can see the drive on the same firewire chain.
no, lets not. we can do far better. ms code is so bloated and uneliable. why would we want a founding father MS's coding philosphy to work on something less bloated and more reliable?
here's what will happen:
the hackers will get the maps and start mucking with wireless nets in toronto. As the owners of the wireless nets notice that they're being abused, they'll call security firms hoping they will fix the problems.
Companies with weak security don't usually know they have weak security, and they don't read up on security news, so they won't know that ipeverywhere has "assisted" hackers in finding their insecure wireless network. But if they do find out, then they'll realize that the security firms and the hackers are working hand-in-hand to get $$$ from the companies. They may not be complicit, but they are symbiotic. This is just another case along the lines of what gweeds was talking about at HK2K , but you knew that already..... right?
sure, they pump out alot of RF, but who's looking for it? do you know if & where there's a WAPs in your building? When's the last time anybody checked?
It's as easy to find as a rogue dreamcast sitting under somebody's desk, or in a comm closet.
If we assume for a moment that if you can get into the faciity undetected and place a device on the network, that it's not game over already......
why not just drop in a wireless access point, and sit in the parking lot and hack away? That way you can do all of these things without having to worry about establishing an outbound channel. or put the dreamcast in a discreet location outside the building near an outlet. Just cover with a black tarp and there you go. waterproof wireless backdoor.
if you go to compusa, between 7/4/2002 and 7/7/2002 they have a 100 rebate on all cell phones. So you get the $150 6035 for $50 after the mail in rebate. as far as i can tell, they only require that you to activate the phone, it can be on an existing number. Lots of other cell phone rebates want you to start new service with a new nnumber.
on the same vein as rsh, try using psexec from www.sysinternals.com. If you know a username:password ( you better as an admin! ), you can run commands using the netbios interface. Just use a bash like script:
for i in `net view \\domain` ; { psexec.exe \\$i \\fileserver\share\regscript.reg ; }
it *was* funny. i've been unemployed before, and understand your pain. but it's like when somebody owes you money and you're ready to get paid back. Every dime they spend better be spent wisely, or it should have been *your* dime. Even if you only spent even 10 minutes a day 4 days a week on something as, ahem, *important* as your babylon 5 collection, somebody out there might have a different take on your "universe conspiring against you" theory of unemployment.
Also, the openssh-portable folks release source RPMs with every tarball release (2 minutes later actually). At some point, probably openssh 2.1 or so, I'd been unable to get remote users to authenticate properly with the tarball version of openssh on linux and solaris. So I started using the RPMs. If you get the SRPM from a local mirror (see http://www.openssh.org/portable.html), just run the following:
rpm ---rebuild.src.rpm
or to get slick: rpm --rebuild --target `uname -m`-`uname -p`-`uname -s`.src.rpm ( in my case: rpm --rebuild --target i686-unknown-linux openssh-3.3p1-1.src.rpm
Slashdot Mirror
OTOH,
You're more likely to expect broken compatibility with a point release, as opposed to an incremental release. But your point is valid, most software vendors have sacrificed compatibility for various reasons when users least expect it.
The difference with UNIX(TM)-ish tool-based OSS (vs monolithic software packages) is that because of the decentralized nature of development, point releases are unlikely to be coordinated into a convenient upgrade. At any given moment, one package or another is moving up to a non-compatible release. Depending on which package it is, this can be a real pain in the ass.
The solution is dependency-checking package systems like rpm. If plug-in developers stopped using the old netscape (drop it in the plugin folder) install method, and started using packages with dependencies, that would solve alot of these kind of problems.
Wouldn't this be nice???:
root$ rpm -Uvh mozilla-1.4.i686.rpm
mozilla-1.4 requires:
adobe-acrobat-6.0
plugger-5.0
streaming-porn-1.1
download and install required packages from foo-foo linux ftp server (y/n)?
obviously you haven't met the same gainfully empolyed, clueless unix admins that I have in my travels. you're lucky
At this price, the company is now worth about $100 Mil. At $1.40/share, it was worth less than $20 Mil. At either price, SCO is overvalued, but a buyout would be chump change to most SV players. Sun probably would gain the most, they could move anybody left on sco to solaris86, and use sco's customer list/services biz to push new solaris and raq sales. They'd also save a little cash on thier license for UNIX(TM).
FYI,
larry & co have been pushing oracle on linux for years. after all, if you run oracle on a stable and cheap OS, there's more licensing and support $$$ left over for larry.
larry's support for linux is not a big deal for sun (at least it wasn't when he started), since 99.999% of linux runs on x86, and (almost)nobody uses solaris on x86.
larry has always hated bill. he's a simple man. he wants, power money and women(in that order), and bill is after the first two. linus is a hippie who's already married, so there's more for larry with linux.
well here is fairfax, va we have cox cable and they used to do "$5/month per additional pc" but i think since they switched from roadrunner to homegrown, they are more customer friendly. Now they say they don't "support" home networks, and if you can't figure it out yourself, it's $5/month per extra pc for a direct connection.
i think they realized that in "the home of the internet" (just ask al gore), a huge % of customers have networks at home behind a nat box.
i think the *real* bottom line is, more nat boxes means (slightly) better security, means less worms/breakins, means lower bandwith usage overall, means more profit.
actually,
the "beginning" of a hard drive is the outer edge. the drive platter has a fairly constant data density, so the outer cylinders(concentric circles) have more sectors(slices of the concentric circle) than the inner cylinders. So on an outer cylinder, more sectors pass under the read/write head per rotation than on an inner cylinder.
with cdroms the data is written from inside out, which means that the slowest part of the disc is used first. this behavior is probably a remnant of the days when the cd drive was designed to maintain a constant data rate under the laser, rather than a constant rotational speed of the disc.
the only reason that "verizon avenue" might be any good is because:
"Verizon spent $295 million to acquire OnePoint in December 2000, and renamed the company Verizon Avenue. The subsidiary provides DSL access to condominiums and apartments throughout the country, competing with rivals BellSouth, SBC Communications, and Qwest Communications."
I had OnePoint at my apartment in 2000, and right after the buyout, my prices went way up. OnePoint was the only company in Northern VA to compete for local phone service. So much for antitrust regulation.... verizon sucks.
It's fair to say apple has a long history of bucking trends and using non-standard technologies. This is not to say that they always adopted closed tech, but shouldn't thinking different mean being different?
In the last 5 years however, apple has made the switch to nearly all standard and open tech, even the stuff that they develop in-house. Note firewire, darwin & rendezvous.
I'd imagine that for apple ( besides lean & mean) a big selling point for KHTML over Mozilla is that mozilla makes a point of being "omniplatform", while KDE stuff is really designed for unix. They get to be open and standard, but still keep their work from benefiting windows. It's the smarter move.
1. Cut taxes on the wealthy
2. pretend to serve justice to corporate criminals
2.1 bomb various brown peoples
2.2 form secret police
2.3 create all-knowing govt data warehouse
2.4 detain low wage immigrants
2.5 slash interest rates
2.6 wait x years
3. Economy magically rebounds!
wha they really need to go along with a real scripting environment is to integrate it with the gui like apple does with applescript. Then anything can be reliably scripted.
hey wait a minute, if they do that, how are the MCSEs gonna make a living? I guess they'll just have to half-ass it like they do everything else.
i was gonna disregard your comment as flamebait, but then i decided i'd rather respond....
First off, I disagree somewhat with the opinion that this ISP is neglecting their goal of providing service. I'm sure if this guy wants to pay he can get his own segment behind (or in front of) the firewall, and he'll have whatever ports protocols he wants open. But the reality is that most hosting providers must offer competitive prices, and that means reducing administrative overhead, and providing some "no frills" service packages. This usually means some customers share the same switched segment (in essence the same security domain), have restricted bandwith, and limited ports to communicate on. So, it's in the collective best interests of these customers that security precautions be taken across the board.
Tha said, suggesting using an NTP reciever is a genuinely helpful comment, and a good idea. Even if he can't get gps reception in his particular rack, he may be able to persuade the ISP to offer ntp service from a GPS reciever/ntp server that they buy and manage (i'd pay an extra $2/month for that, and $2*month*customer*server is a pretty good source of income. Generally a business would be more receptive to an idea that leads to more revenue. I'm sure the ISP would find a way to run an antenna for that....
> Why has IBM not yet taken a keen interest in *BSD?
because of the bsd license i presume.
seems to me that in the real world, the "pro-commercial" intents of the bsd license do more to discourage commercial use of bsd than the "anti-commercial" intents of the gpl seems to discourage commercial use of linux.
there are certainly a number of companies using bsd, and developing products based on bsd, but there are far more doing the same with linux. I suspect that in time they'll be a more even comparison between gnu(hurd) and bsd.
of course, there's a whole idealogical war over this issue.
that's what I've saying for years. my stoopid assfriends never understood why it was worth it to spend another 30-50 bucks on a better monitor, or to pay 40 bucks for a nice mouse/trackball.
now those jackasses are buying wrist straps and coke bottle glasses.
d'oh! i modded with the wrong remark, this certainly isn't offtopic. hopefully posting this comment will unmod the modding.
actually,
Mobile cpus have a pretty good bit of modificaton over desktops cpus, primarily designed to reduce heat. cuz the cooler it runs, the faster it can run safely in a laptop enclosure.
1. basic voltage reductions/optimizations
2. some mobile cpus can switch off idle units
3. mobile cpus generally have different on chip
cache sizes than their desktop equivalents
4. the ability to change speeds/voltages on the fly
Tom's Hardware talks about some of this stuff in this article.
mozilla IE (not just popup) killer
How is using "firewire IP" (whatever that is...) different from using "ethernet IP"? If there's no common filesystem that both machines can handle, you still need NFS or SMB or something similar to share filesystems.
Connectivity is not the issue, it's compatability. Unlike USB, firewire allows more than one cpu on a chain, so both machines can see the drive on the same firewire chain.
no, lets not. we can do far better. ms code is so bloated and uneliable. why would we want a founding father MS's coding philosphy to work on something less bloated and more reliable?
the hackers will get the maps and start mucking with wireless nets in toronto. As the owners of the wireless nets notice that they're being abused, they'll call security firms hoping they will fix the problems.
Companies with weak security don't usually know they have weak security, and they don't read up on security news, so they won't know that ipeverywhere has "assisted" hackers in finding their insecure wireless network. But if they do find out, then they'll realize that the security firms and the hackers are working hand-in-hand to get $$$ from the companies. They may not be complicit, but they are symbiotic. This is just another case along the lines of what gweeds was talking about at HK2K
, but you knew that already..... right?
sure, they pump out alot of RF, but who's looking for it? do you know if & where there's a WAPs in your building? When's the last time anybody checked?
It's as easy to find as a rogue dreamcast sitting under somebody's desk, or in a comm closet.
If we assume for a moment that if you can get into the faciity undetected and place a device on the network, that it's not game over already......
why not just drop in a wireless access point, and sit in the parking lot and hack away? That way you can do all of these things without having to worry about establishing an outbound channel. or put the dreamcast in a discreet location outside the building near an outlet. Just cover with a black tarp and there you go. waterproof wireless backdoor.
if you go to compusa, between 7/4/2002 and 7/7/2002 they have a 100 rebate on all cell phones. So you get the $150 6035 for $50 after the mail in rebate. as far as i can tell, they only require that you to activate the phone, it can be on an existing number. Lots of other cell phone rebates want you to start new service with a new nnumber.
on the same vein as rsh, try using psexec from www.sysinternals.com. If you know a username:password ( you better as an admin! ), you can run commands using the netbios interface. Just use a bash like script:
for i in `net view \\domain` ; { psexec.exe \\$i \\fileserver\share\regscript.reg ; }
something like that
-earl
hey buddy relax,
it *was* funny. i've been unemployed before, and understand your pain.
but it's like when somebody owes you money and you're ready to get paid back. Every dime they spend better be spent wisely, or it should have been *your* dime.
Even if you only spent even 10 minutes a day 4 days a week on something as, ahem, *important* as your babylon 5 collection, somebody out there might have a different take on your "universe conspiring against you" theory of unemployment.
Also, the openssh-portable folks release source RPMs with every tarball release (2 minutes later actually). At some point, probably openssh 2.1 or so, I'd been unable to get remote users to authenticate properly with the tarball version of openssh on linux and solaris. So I started using the RPMs. If you get the SRPM from a local mirror (see http://www.openssh.org/portable.html), just run the following:
.src.rpm
.src.rpm
/usr/src/redhat/RPMS/`uname -m`/.`uname -m`.rpm
rpm ---rebuild
or to get slick:
rpm --rebuild --target `uname -m`-`uname -p`-`uname -s`
( in my case:
rpm --rebuild --target i686-unknown-linux openssh-3.3p1-1.src.rpm
Then install the RPMs you just built:
rpm -Uvh
Just two simple commands, not bad for a day's work.
-earl