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New Communicators from Kyocera and HP

Posted by timothy on from the not-cheap-but-nice-looking dept.

An anonymous reader submits: "Here are two links to articles about the new HP iPaqs and Kyocera's new Communicator .... Both are pretty sweet pieces of hardware."

111 comments

  1. Whoopy.. by evel+aka+matt · · Score: 0, Troll

    Same shit, new week.

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  2. other kyocera products by random735 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have a Kyocera QCP-6035 "smartphone" (basically a PalmIII+cellphone) and based on my experience with it, i'd defintely buy another Kyocera "hybrid" device. The integration is incredible..when i'm using it as a phone, I forget it's a PDA. when i'm using it as a PDA, I forget it's a phone. Except for those occasions when it's *useful* that it's both (ie jotting down notes while on the phone). None of this "touch screen" buttons for dialing crap, my phone has a real keypad, etc.

    The new 7135 looks like it continues this pattern.... that said, I got my Kyocera for $50 after rebates. I wouldn't be inclined to be an early adopter on a device like this (6035s started around $500-800)

    1. Re:other kyocera products by linuxlover · · Score: 2

      I got my smartphone for $350. Sweet phone. I couldn't live without it.

      Only gripe, it is a tad bigger! Hopefully the new one will be smaller and when it comes down in price, I might get one.

    2. Re:other kyocera products by mr100percent · · Score: 2

      I have the same Kyocera, QCP-6035, and I love it as well. I don't know if I like the new one. It worked fine, now the new one looks as if they're trying to copy Handspring's Treo.

      I'm not sure if it'll be as useable, the writing part is separated from the screen, it's at an angle, and now a real flipphone. I liked being able to talk with it open or shut, this one doesn't look like it can do that.

    3. Re:other kyocera products by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll second all of that, but the 6035 is more than basically a Palm III + Cell Phone. It's also a wireless modem and a voice note recorder.

      It's also a really spiff ssh-1 wireless terminal.

      It's a heck of a product. You can get 'em now for $100 with the rebate and commitment to Verizon (ack). But they've got a 700/1000 minute plan with long distance included and data calls just counting against minutes for $50/month.

      At least with the most recent revisions of the ROM, they did a great job with the integration. It's all pretty natural and easy to use.

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    4. Re:other kyocera products by Ducky · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since I'm an employee of the company that's staffing Kyocera's cdma phone division (Qualcomm), I've seen it first hand.

      VERY nice. While I did side by side comparison, I didn't write down dimensions, etc (the general mood was more of "wooo new toy, new toy!"), I can say you're not really losing any size off the width nor the thickness, but it is about 1.75 inches shorter (if not more).

      It's WAY faster. I think double proc speed? don't remember. The various apps I played with (mostly games) were very snappy.

      The screen it had just felt better to scribble on. Color was very spiffy feature, too - but the only other color palm I've played with was a palm iiic

      By far, my favorite features were the fact it can play mp3s, and the memory card slot. My friend could put apps and mp3s on the card, and both would show up when inserted into the phone.

      Yup, definately on my purchase list.

    5. Re:other kyocera products by boggsj · · Score: 1

      I would love to get the 6035 since its cheap now (about $100), and its a sweet phone, with REAL BUTTONS(!)... but would you mind revealing where you got it for $50?

      Much appreciated

    6. Re:other kyocera products by random735 · · Score: 1

      I got mine as a SprintPCS phone from circuit city...at the time it was $150, but circuit city was offering a $50 rebate with activation, and sprint was also offering a $50 rebate with activation. Hence the $50 (minus the $35 activation fee of course). I don't think either of the rebates are still going on, and I think it might have been one of those "new customers only" deals.

    7. Re:other kyocera products by mesocyclone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am a longtime owner of the Kyocera QCP-6035 and I find it a surprisingly lousy product compared to what it could be. The integration of the Palm PDA and the phone is almost non-existent. I want an integrated device, not just two devices in one package (although I have it because the latter is still better than the same two devices in two packages).

      I would be much more careful next time, as Kyocera has not demonstrated to me the ability to create a good user interface that integrates the features properly.

      Maybe I'm just missing something or didn't RTFM enough times, but just calling someone in the Palm phone book is a real pain

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    8. Re:other kyocera products by amarodeeps · · Score: 1
      Maybe I'm just missing something or didn't RTFM enough times, but just calling someone in the Palm phone book is a real pain
      Well, I don't find it too difficult - I set some of the numbers from my palm address book on speed dial, so this is real quick. And to access numbers that aren't on the speed dial, you just hit down on the shuttle, and then press a key (2:abc, 3:def, etc.) to get you closer to that name. It doesn't really get much easier than that, sorry to say--I previously had a Samsung SCH-1500(I think that's the model number) and it was just as easy (difficult) to pull up a number. I'd be interested to find out if there is a faster user interface methodology than this because I haven't thought of one (granted, I'm not the most gifted user interface designer in the world ;).

      I do think you didn't RTFM as far as speed dial; but I figured out the shuttle trick from just messing around, so I don't remember if that is in the manual.

    9. Re:other kyocera products by earlytime · · Score: 2

      if you go to compusa, between 7/4/2002 and 7/7/2002 they have a 100 rebate on all cell phones. So you get the $150 6035 for $50 after the mail in rebate. as far as i can tell, they only require that you to activate the phone, it can be on an existing number. Lots of other cell phone rebates want you to start new service with a new nnumber.

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  3. why iPaq? by Microsift · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I guess they didn't like the name iP (freely)

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  4. Why buy Palm? by --daz-- · · Score: 1

    When things like this are out, why would anyone buy a Palm? The only thing Palm devices have is power consumption, but how hard it is to stick the device on a charger once every 3-4 days. Hell, I have to recharge my cell phone every day, so that's a pretty weak excuse.

    1. Re:Why buy Palm? by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ummm, because they're generally HUNDREDS of dollars cheaper.

      I really like the look of the iPaq, but for $600-$750, I could buy another desktop. For another $200-300 I could buy a full fledged laptop.

    2. Re:Why buy Palm? by rodgerd · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because the Palm has a shitload better UI, as well as a better life. And some of us have cellphones that need to be charged once a week, not once a day.

      I don't see why people bother with iPaqs. They're bigger, bulkier, and far less practical.

    3. Re:Why buy Palm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, I have to recharge my cell phone every day, so that's a pretty weak excuse.

      my kyo6035 smartphone, charge is good for 5 days without talking, on my usage, every 2-3 days.

    4. Re:Why buy Palm? by IHateEverybody · · Score: 2

      One of these "things" is a Palm. A cell phone running the PalmOS is still a Palm in my opinion even if it has another company's logo on it. I have a Handspring Treo cell phone and I consider it to be a Palm.

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  5. My fiancee is not going to be happy... by SillySlashdotName · · Score: 1

    I have a iPaq 3650 w/ microdrive and expansion adapter, but it looks like I am going to finally have to upgrade to the 3900 series. I don't think she is going to be happy ... :-(

    Anyone know if the CF/PCMCIA adaptor sleeve is still used, or is the SD built in (and I have to get new cards - boo, hiss!)

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    1. Re:My fiancee is not going to be happy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont be a bitch about it

  6. The H3950 is pretty sweet by Sheetrock · · Score: 2

    A friend has one of these. As mentioned in the article, these are a lot easier to read (at the expense of battery life) and also quite a bit faster than the 3800 series. He's trying to figure out how to hack Linux into it to no avail, but Microsoft's operating system WinCE seems to work nicely for what he needs it for. It looks kind of pricey though, and personally I'd go for a Palm Pilot.

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  7. Kyocera.. by Chicane-UK · · Score: 2

    Well I hope their new line of communicator devices work better than some of their most recent offerings in the world of Laser Printers.. their old 1550's and 1700's used to work like a charm, but the newer budget 1000 series and the update of the 1700 known as the 1750 gave me nothing but trouble. Random dropped communications from the computer, print jobs vanishing, and paper jams.

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  8. i'm waiting... by mike77 · · Score: 1
    ...for a handheld that has the computing power of a supercomputer, the internet connectivity of a T1 line, acts like a cell phone, will play high quality sound, and call me Al. I don't think that's too much to ask, do you? :)

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    1. Re:i'm waiting... by Linux+Ate+My+Dog! · · Score: 1

      Depends; is your name actually Al?

    2. Re:i'm waiting... by mike77 · · Score: 1

      nope, just a paul simon fan...

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    3. Re:i'm waiting... by powerbarr · · Score: 1

      I'm with you, as long as it costs less than $100.

  9. Samsung's new ones by jlv · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have the Samsung I300 Smartphone - color palm + phone. Like the Kyocera 6035, it's already obsolete. But, I love it.

    Interesting enough, while Samsung is about to release a new smartphone (the I330) that is much like the I300, they have an even newer palm/phone coming out later that is a flip phone like the new Kyocera. Pics here
    http://www.pconline.com.cn/digital/textlib/mobile/ m01/10206/69730_1.html
    and here
    http://www.mobilmania.cz/Mobilnitelefony/Ar.asp?AR I=102483&CAI=2107

  10. better technology is coming... by exhilaration · · Score: 1
    What I'm waiting for is AT&T's mMode network, which is going to be GSM and based on NTT DoCoMo technology.

    Combine that sweeeeet network with one of the Sony Ericsson phone, and you'll be able to post cheesy comment on Slashdot while stuck in traffice.

    1. Re:better technology is coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, don't hold your breath. I'm using that in a market where it's already deployed, and it blows.

      Give me patchwork Cingular over this crap, any time.

  11. maybe finally someone got a clue? by rapid+prototype · · Score: 4, Informative

    is it possible they are finally catching a clue? from kyocera's man Goetter:

    "Voice is still the killer application, and our device has been tailored for voice first," Goetter said. The gadget's design is more like
    that of a phone than a PDA. It's foldable and has a keypad, and its size is phonelike too. It measures 3.97 inches by 2.43 inches by 1.17 inches and weighs 6.6 ounces.

    "Other (similar devices) are very much PDAs first. We're coming at it from a phone-centric standpoint," Goetter said.

    exactly. i'm not carrying two clunky devices (cell phone and PDA), but one of those devices is more important (cell phone). maybe when i'm tired of my nokia i'll check out this one, after the price drops a bit next year.

    -rp

    1. Re:maybe finally someone got a clue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      is it possible they are finally catching a clue? from kyocera's man Goetter: "Voice is still the killer application, and our device has been tailored for voice first," Goetter said.

      Kyocera seems to understand that their products have to be phones first and PDAs second. Kudos to them for not dumping that philosphy when they bought the product line from Qualcomm .

      But the cellular operators remain clueless. They believe their own press releases and insist that just because they overlay a lame packet system (GPRS or 1XRTT) on top of 2G cellular that we'll all flock to use it. Funny how they don't mention the spectacular flameout of CDPD, which did exactly the same thing.

      And in the end the real power's in the hands of the consumer. The combo devices just are not selling in any kind of quantity. A few early adopters and propeller heads buy them, but the middle of the curve still buys plain ol' cell phones. Gotta give the manufacturers credit, though...they keep trying!

    2. Re:maybe finally someone got a clue? by infiniti99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that a phone-centric combo device is probably going to be a bad PDA. I'm already convinced that PDA-centric combo devices (like the Nokia 9000 series) are bad phones. Thus, my opinion on combo devices is that they simply aren't as usable as separate, dedicated components would be.

      While you say you'd rather not carry two devices, I think that is the optimal solution. 99% of the time, you only need your phone, but in the 1% instance you need a PDA, you want something good. I say take the cell phone with you all the time, and then choose to take the PDA with you depending on the necessity. Bluetooth completes this.

      Me? I use the Nokia 6310i and the Sharp Zaurus. No compromises.

  12. THIS is cool by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.voicestream.com/pocketpc/default.asp

    PocketPC and Cellphone combined. Nothing against Palm, but I an TS into my windoze boxes remotely using the Terminal Services for CE client along with our VPN client which is also ported to WinCE.

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    1. Re:THIS is cool by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, I ssh into my servers from my Kyocera 6035 all the time.

      When I go into places like Starbucks, people ask me "Dude, is that a phone, or a brick?" because it's bigger than their dinky little Motorolas. I laugh along with them, because by the time they get their double mocha frappaccinos, I've r00ted their box from my phone, and am tr0janizing their Outlook to send all their sensitive business plans to the competition, and their pr0n collections to their wives.

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    2. Re:THIS is cool by ONU+CS+Geek · · Score: 2
      You can kinda laugh at them...because their little tiny motorolas are running by the way of the wayside. Motorols is pushing their own network (iDEN), and isn't putting Kyocera software on their phones (Kyocera is the parent company of Qualcomm, the CDMA people)....so most of the big phone companies out there (e.g., sprint, Verizon Wireless) are phasing out their phones.

      Nextel is safe because it runs off the iDEN network (Yes, Direct Connect is freakin cool!)--however, I'd give it a year before they give in and put their software back on the phones...nextel is losing money (Lost 9B last year, if my memory is correct) and doing 'triple coupons' (if you've worked in the grocery industry...you'd know what I mean).

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    3. Re:THIS is cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, you aren't

  13. Like the style by peterdaly · · Score: 2

    I hate PDA cellphone combo devices, but I have to say the scratchpad looks like it's in a nice spot. I don't know how easy it really is to use the touchpad, seeing how the screen is above the hinge, but the overall design is (to the best of my knowledge) the first phone designed like this.

    The scratch-pad may be more "ergonomic" to use than a real PDA!

    The basic design looks nice. It runs PalmOS too. I may have to find one of these at a store to play with. To bad no direct connect (Nextel), otherwise this phone would be really worth my checking into.

    -Pete

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    1. Re:Like the style by Dr.+Ion · · Score: 1

      The split-screen works great! The grafiti area is down in the lower half of the clamshell, so that when you hold it in your hand, the writing pressure is against your palm, while the display is angled where you can see it.

      It also works great on a desktop, since the LCD looks best facing it straight on.

      By splitting the two, you end up with a smaller piece of glass, so it's less fragile.

      Clever idea.

  14. The new Ipaq by The_Shadows · · Score: 2

    I know that HP owns Compaq, but you'd think that they would at least put the HP label on the old Compaq line. More to the point, get the Compaq label off if you're going to call it an HP device.

    Of course, they could just use their new stock symbol. Though, come to think of it that would just look wierd.

    HPQ IPAQ

    There just aren't enough vowels in there.

  15. Kyocera rocks! by Satanboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just got a new Kyocera three days ago, and I'll tell ya what, its got the best sound of any cell phone I have ever heard, and the interface is a breeze.

    I would highly recommend one, they are much cheaper than many of the other phones out there, and they seem to be better.

    I am very happy to see they are getting their PDA phones out. My phone isn't a total PDA conversion, its more of a hybrid with a web browser and 56 k connection, but its still very usefull and I am very happy to have one.

    --those are my two cents anyways

    1. Re:Kyocera rocks! by TRyanC · · Score: 1

      > I just got a new Kyocera three days ago, and I'll tell ya
      > what, its got the best sound of any cell phone I have ever
      > heard, and the interface is a breeze.

      Amen to that. I use Sprint, and in my home town (Cambridge, MA), the sound is better than my cordless landline phones at home.

      MUCH better than the Motorola POS I had before (their super-tiny, and super thowable, "v" series).

      The Kyocera also has analog support, which may shound anacrhonistic, but to someone who spends most of the winter in Vermont, has to check in with work periodically, it's a blessing.

      -Ryan

  16. Re:Gah. by shadow303 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I never could understand the obsession with cell-phones. After all, it is basicly a high-tech device that requires social interaction to be useful. If I could get social interaction, I wouldn't need so many gizmos to keep me entertained.

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  17. Who cares Tired old handheld articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who wants to spend $400 on something like this, get a laptop if you want to be able to do something. If you don't have the money get a pencil and a notepad. Please pick a new article theme, handhelds are getting quite old.

    1. Re:Who cares Tired old handheld articles by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      Well, lots of people. Particularly the ones who but them.

      Sometimes a laptop is simply too big/awkward. My I300 is pretty much perfect for me -- it's a good phone, and it keeps my appointments and phone numbers on hand in a convenient, integrated fashion. A laptop could do none of that.

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  18. Getting closer... by Saturn49 · · Score: 1

    Now, if they had an optional hard drive (any Secure Digital hard drives exist yet?), the Kyocera would be very close my ideal PDA/phone/mp3 player.

    Maybe they could make one with a Compact Flash slot so I could use one of those IBM CF hard drives...

    Mmmm. A gig of mp3's in a cellphone...mmmm...

  19. it'll never fly by tps12 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These are pretty cool, just because of the "holy shit that's a little phone + PDA in one" factor. But, really, the market for these is limited, and shrinking fast.

    These were the Next Big Thing during the www.dot.com boom, when everyone wanted as many things clipped to their belts as possible. Nowadays, a more sobering economic client has made all those technophiles look more than a little bit...goofy.

    Yes, phones are useful. And it's nice to be able to store a phone number or ten. But 16MB of memory and a web browser? Video, for heaven's sake? No one needs this. Hell, no one even wants this.

    All anyone is looking for in a cell phone is small size, good battery life, a strong signal, capacity for storing maybe 20 numbers, and mp3 playing. The rest is just nerd candy, stupid features that basically no one will pay for. These companies need to hone their market research skills, or they will go the way of the Amiga.

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    1. Re:it'll never fly by Dr.+Ion · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself, I say. If there was only one requirement for a phone, then you'd have only one kind to choose from.

      This phone rocks. I don't bother taking a laptop on short business trips anymore. I can check email and even reply without waiting for something to boot up and connect. I can usually do a quick mailcheck and send a short reply in less time than it takes to connect a phone jack and boot Windows!

      When it's time to board the plane, just snap it shut and slip it in your pocket or bag.

      Just like belt sanders, these things do have a use, even if you don't happen to need one.

  20. 400 MHz by colmore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've heard that the move from 200 to 400 MHz on these devices has barely changed noticable speed, while adding a good $200 to the pricetag.

    I'll wait for reviews to cement the decision, but I'll probably be going with an older, not that much slower, 200 MHz device.

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    1. Re:400 MHz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The word appears to be although the Xscale chip runs at 400 MHz when running code for the previous generation Arm chip, it runs it about as fast as a 206 MHz ARM. Multimedia is said to actually perform poorer than with the previous generation of PocketPCs.

      Microsoft says they will only support the Arm ver. 4 code base, Intel says you really ought to be compiling for Arm ver. 5. So we the users, will suffer.

      I speculate that Microsoft is hoping that pads kill pocketPCs so they can kill PocketPC development and support a single Windows code base.

    2. Re:400 MHz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably mean this: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/22/185245 &mode=nested&tid=100

    3. Re:400 MHz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One would think PPC might be the red-haired stepchild of the Windows Family after the government used it as an example of modularity in Windows during the antitrust hearings.

  21. Battery eater .... by Mr.+Mai · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hope they did something about the battery, for erlier versions of the IPAQ they didn't last long. More MHz and capabilities = more power consumption.

  22. Son of a... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2

    I knew Kyocera must be up to something. The 6035 is going for only $99. Probably something to do with the Treo...
    So I ordered the keyboard and USB cable, (the Keyspan USB adapter
    having mysteriously dropped support for the phone's data mode after an upgrade--
    or I dropped the components one too many times)
    and I'm left to wonder: will the gozintas and gozoutas of this new unit be compatible?

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    1. Re:Son of a... by Dr.+Ion · · Score: 2, Informative

      It has the exact same connector on the bottom, so your widgets might work on the new one.

  23. The Greatest Improvement... by T3kno · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is that they finally transposed the iPaq and Pocket PC logos. I have been waiting for months for somone at Hewlettcompaqard to pull their head out of their ass and fix this. Finally!! I'm off to BestBuy.

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      Please disregard my previous post. I have been smoking especially potent crack. I found myself on an alien world called Bdjarneaux surrounded by little poprox eating orange worms, and /. was my only link back to reality. Thank you.

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  24. This thing is neat, but... by spaten-optimator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Article:

    "The 7135 features a color screen, Global Positioning System technology, a Secure Digital expansion slot with input and output capabilities, and a built-in digital audio player. The device comes with 16MB of memory and runs version 4.1 of Palm's operating system."

    That's all well and good (and, based on the picture, a hell of a lot sexier than the Treo's that are running around my office now), but what they need to fix (before adding all the bells and whistles) is the fact that I can't drive from work to home and talk to my brother on the phone for 30 minutes without getting dropped during the handoff between cell towers.

    They also need to fix their "nationwide coverage" that doesn't include some key semi-rural areas (I checked - they're in the US) where I go on analog roam, spilling dollars a minute down my phone.

    I'm not saying an integrated GPS-PDA-MP3-Web browser-Phone is a bad idea. I think its yet another cool geek toy.

    But for god's sake, take some of that R&D money and BUILD SOME MORE TOWERS!

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    1. Re:This thing is neat, but... by Osty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's all well and good (and, based on the picture, a hell of a lot sexier than the Treo's that are running around my office now), but what they need to fix (before adding all the bells and whistles) is the fact that I can't drive from work to home and talk to my brother on the phone for 30 minutes without getting dropped during the handoff between cell towers.

      That's a feature, not a problem. When you're driving, pay attention to driving. Stay off the goddamned phone. If you want to talk to your brother, call him before you leave work. Then go drive home. Then call him again if you must. But for the sake of the other drivers that need to share the road with you, leave the damned phone off while you're driving.


      I don't care if you use a hands-free set, you're still gabbing on the phone when you should be paying attention to what you're doing on the road. When you're driving, you're in possession of a 3000lb bullet. Please act accordingly. And don't give me excuses like, "But I've been doing this for years!" or, "I'm a good driver, so I don't have to pay attention to the road." That's crap, and both you and I know it.

    2. Re:This thing is neat, but... by stox · · Score: 2

      You must be a Sprint customer. Join the club. ;-

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    3. Re:This thing is neat, but... by gslinger · · Score: 0

      And you of course, oh holier than thou one, have never spoken to a passenger whilst driving. It's the same thing. If the phone's in a _proper_ handsfree kit, there's no issue.

    4. Re:This thing is neat, but... by Osty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And you of course, oh holier than thou one, have never spoken to a passenger whilst driving. It's the same thing. If the phone's in a _proper_ handsfree kit, there's no issue.

      No, it's not. Not even close. With a passenger in the car, he or she has the same view of the road as the driver. Therefore, if a situation arises where the driver needs full concentration (and you'd be surprised how often this happens, what with soccer moms in their oversized SUVs and idiots talking on their phones ...), the passenger can shut up. The person on the other end of the phone has no clue, and will just continue to babble on and on, distracting the driver and causing a dangerous situation. There's more to driving than just having your hands free for the wheel and shifter (if necessary). To be a good driver, you must have situational awareness. You need to not only know where the other drivers are on the road in relation to your car, but you also need to be able to anticipate what they're going to do. How can you do that if you're chatting up somebody on the phone, talking about where to go to dinner or what movie to see later? Simple -- you can't. Anybody who says you can is either an idiot or a liar.


      Don't get me wrong. I don't subscribe to the Liberal battlecry of "There should be a law!" I'm not saying there should be a law against talking on a phone while driving (although there already are such laws in some areas). All I'm saying is that for your own safety and mine, please keep the phone conversations to non-moving situations please.

    5. Re:This thing is neat, but... by random735 · · Score: 1

      These sound like cellular service provider issues, not phone designer/researcher issues... blame sprint/cingular/whoever, not Kyocera for that stuff.

    6. Re:This thing is neat, but... by rdarden · · Score: 1
      But for god's sake, take some of that R&D money and BUILD SOME MORE TOWERS!


      The people making the phones are not the people financing and putting up towers, so take a deep breath. Even in a company like Motorola that makes both, the people who design base stations are far removed from those who design phones. Also, Motorola (and Nokia, Ericsson, Nortel, etc) don't put up cell towers. They just sell the equipment that allows cellular providers to arrange huge cells, allowing your calls to constantly drop!

      I'm as frustrated by wireless coverage as you are, but it's not going to change any time soon. Best thing you can do is complain regularly to your cell provider.
    7. Re:This thing is neat, but... by unDees · · Score: 1
      Therefore, if a situation arises where the driver needs full concentration ..., the passenger can shut up.
      I dunno about you, but my passengers aren't that polite. They keep on droning. I just tune 'em out. Why should it be different for someone who's on a wireless phone?
      --
      "I call a baby goat a 'goatse.'" -- my non-Internet-savvy 6-year-old stepdaughter
    8. Re:This thing is neat, but... by spaten-optimator · · Score: 1
      When you're driving, you're in possession of a 3000lb bullet. Please act accordingly. And don't give me excuses like, "But I've been doing this for years!" or, "I'm a good driver, so I don't have to pay attention to the road." That's crap, and both you and I know it.


      Granted - people talking on cellphones do increase the number of accidents that happen. Disregarding non-hands-free users (who are just looking for trouble holding a phone up to their ear while driving), the only time I'm distracted by talking on the phone is when I'm looking down at the phone, dialing a number. Which is why I never do that while the car is in motion - only at stoplights or before I start driving.

      Furthermore: my route home is through an underused rural road. It has four lanes, but hardly any cars, even during rush hour. The drive is boring. I talk to my brother (or friends, other family members, whoever) to kill time while I'm making the monotonous trip home every day.

      And besides, when I'm talking on a hands-free set, it is exactly like I'm talking to someone in the car. No different. I've never actually been in a situation where I've required 100% of my brainpower to keep the car inside the lines. I mean, maybe where you're from, the highway designers are purposefully making driving difficult, but here in Texas, they make the roads pretty simple to navigate.

      You are also acting as though 100% of all car accidents occur as a direct result of someone's use of a cellphone. What about the radio? I'm sure many people have wrecked up cars attempting to change the CD in their car, or find a good radio station (looking at the radio rather than the road).

      I tell you what: I'll stop using my "goddamn cell phone" at the same time you stop listening to your "goddamn radio." Deal?

      My point is this: people can become distracted while operating a motor vehicle because of many things, not just cellphones. It is the responsibility of each person on the road to properly manage these distractions so that they can complete their primary responsibility - keeping the car going straight down the road. Your asinine assumption that I cannot do this with a cellphone is analogous to me assuming you can't drive and operate the radio. Don't tell me they are different: you have to look away from the road to change a CD, I can talk on my cellphone without even doing that.

      It all boils down to responsibility. Just because I pick up a cellphone doesn't mean I suspend my responsibility.
      --

      --
      Disclaimer: The above statement probably includes half-truths, because real truth is too complicated.
  25. kyocera | qwest | obsolete by must+be+hard+to+spel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, so I'll admit that I have been drooling over the 6035 smartphone for some time now. And I've been toying with upgrading my current phone, especially since Qwest appears to have an "unlimited data for $10/month" deal. However, I just went to check out the Qwest webpage and the 6035 is gone. And, since the 7135 is not out for a bit yet, there is a definite gap in their product line. Did Kyocera discontinue the 6035 (still on their webpage) or is this simply Qwest (or Qwest's webpage, since doing a search on www.qwestwi reless.com still finds some 6035 literature pages) issue? Is there anything like a firm date on the 7135 being released (other that Q4)? Is there any indication of whether Qwest will be using the 7135? Why is the sky blue? (Yes, I am asking questions that there are probably not answers to. Shame on me.)

  26. it'll fly by must+be+hard+to+spel · · Score: 1

    So, as I said elsewhere, I have been drooling over the idea of a smartphone for some time. "Why?" you may ask. Because when I go into a store looking for something, it is nice to be able to supplement my research on the spot by checking out prices, model specs, etc while I am standing there wondering what the difference between an 1120cs and an 1120ci is. Because sometimes I want to be able to get a map/directions that I didn't know I would need the last time I synched my Handspring. Because I want to check the movie times on a whim (especially when I don't happen to have the theater's phone number and don't want to pay for directory assistance - yes, data service costs more, but if I already have it paid for, why not use it). The only real reason that I haven't picked up a 6035 is because I have been waiting for the new 2.5/3G rollout and didn't want to be picking up something that was going to be upgraded so soon. $500? I don't know. Maybe an early Christmas present to myself. Would I use it $500-worth? I don't know. I do know that my current phone just frustrates me with the lack of Internet awareness and carrying that + my Handspring is not as nice as carrying just 1 uber-device.

  27. Yawn.. When will they deliver with the Linux port? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Goodness knows how many people Compaq fooled into buying their iPaq handhelds because of the promise of the Familiar Linux port [ http://www.handhelds.org ], but I don't see them delivering any time soon.

    Goodness knows how many Linux devotees paid the M$ tax in their rush to try familiar and it still seems as far away as ever from a commercial release.

  28. path paralysis by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm considering switching carriers, waiting for my carrier to come up with a new product, going with a Kyocera or a HandSpring or a Nokia or a Sony Eriksson - in fact, the proliferation of options, and the fear of service abandonment/obsolesence - has motivated me to do nothing. I've frozen my decision to upgrade my phone service until there's been a market shakedown. (The opportunity cost of waiting is not great - I have a cell phone and a palm pilot already.)

    I know that a number of other people are in the same boat, and with funds and budgets being tighter, people don't feel like they have money to burn on just getting the fastest-newest-fanciest. What does that mean for the ability of manufacturers to develop new products? I'm not really sure, but I do think that a lot of manufacturers are going to feel some pain for a while still.

  29. Who wants stupid MP3 in a phone? by jonr · · Score: 2

    No one wants MP3 in their phone. How are you going to listen to music and answer the phone? No siree, we are much better off with pda+phone integration, why should we store information in one gadget, talk into another?
    My point is, don't apply YOUR preferences upon anyone, just because you don't want this, it doesn't mean that no one wants this.
    J.

  30. Yes, the Phone+PDA for Linux users!!! by BitMan · · Score: 2

    Fully Palm OS and conduit compatible -- which makes Evolution the ultimate PIM for and any Palm program executable on this thing. Complete, Hayes AT compatible external 14.4K Fax+Modem using the serial port for portable surfing. Other usability sweetness like the Palm IR, jog dial when in phone mode, etc... One address book, one date book, one thing for everything!

    Kyocera knows its market. I hope the new 7135 is still usable as an external modem. That might not be the case if its USB-based (at least not for Linux).

    --
    -- Bryan "TheBS" Smith
    Independent Author, Consultant and Trainer
    1. Re:Yes, the Phone+PDA for Linux users!!! by TRyanC · · Score: 1

      > I hope the new 7135 is still usable as an external modem.
      > That might not be the case if its USB-based (at least not
      > for Linux).

      Huh? Maybe it's time for you to upgrade from kernel 2.0.38... I had a Visor before I got my Kyocera 6035, and had no problems with the USB aspects of it, even on 2.2.17.

      What would _really_ be nice is if it were usable as an external modem over IR. I have a laptop with IR, and always sync over IR. If I could use the modem over IR, I wouldn't have to lug around a serial cable.

      -Ryan

  31. Not so good by arpeggiate-her · · Score: 2, Informative

    They might be sweet machines, but the iPaq H3900s are reported to run very hot when used for longer than a two hour session. I don't want something in my hand if it's going to hurt to use it after a while!

    1. Re:Not so good by Cplus · · Score: 1

      Slick little goatse.cx link in there. Whoever modded this up is an ass.

      --
      "Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality." -- Dalai Lama
  32. Complete spec from the Kyocera web site. by FocaJonathan · · Score: 3, Informative

    The complete spec from the Kyocera web site.

  33. motorola dragonball super vz - wtf ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when did chipmakers start naming models after anime characters???

  34. new ipaq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You losers! ipaq's suck, get yourself a Zaurus today!

  35. blue tooth by jjshoe · · Score: 1

    if only blue tooth had decent range

    imagine the ipaq with an 802.11b card and a barcode scanner
    lets assume this costs you $2,000 for this on the high end, your still beating out hand held computers in the retail buisness, aka telxon symbol etc etc

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    -- botsex is {grep;touch;strip;unzip;head;mount} /dev/girl -t {wet;fsck;fsck;yes;yes;yes;umount} {/de
  36. VNC Pad by AVryhof · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I want a pad with VNC burned into ROM....so I can display my desktop from anywhere and interract with it using just a pen!

    --
    Make America grate again!
  37. Strange things afoot at the circle-K by nanoakron · · Score: 1

    Is no-one worried that the clickthrough ad on the news.com page says:

    "Microsoft and Unisys offer you an alternative to UNIX"

    ?????

    And I thought this was slashdot!

    -Nano.

  38. Chip Named After Video Game? by BeagleBoi · · Score: 1

    "The Clie PEG-T665C comes with a Memory Stick slot and Motorola's 66MHz Dragonball Super VZ."

    Isn't that a video game?

  39. why no one says...... by Joseph+Lam · · Score: 1

    1. how fast does it crunch rc5?
    2. imagine a b......

    PDA now gets faster and faster and with so many people carrying lots of CPU cycles around, any interesting projects other than dnet and SETI?

  40. Are you sure you own a 6035? by SensitiveMale · · Score: 1

    I am EXTREMELY happy with miine and I the only thing I wish was better integrated would be the ability to record voice memos while on the phone; i.e. record a phone call.

    The integration is damn near perfect. It acts like a phone when the lid is closed and acts like a PDA when the lid is open.

    Great phone. I wonder what phone you have. If you don't like it that is fine. I just wonder how more integrated it could be.

    1. Re:Are you sure you own a 6035? by mesocyclone · · Score: 2

      Errrr... Integration is when the functions work together. What you and I have is two gadgets in one package - a nice thing to have but not as powerful as integrating the gadgets where appropriate.

      --

      The only good weather is bad weather.

    2. Re:Are you sure you own a 6035? by nehril · · Score: 2

      what integration features do you feel are lacking? the phone works as a modem for the palm, so you can run your browsers/telnets/whatever as well as PQAs. You can tap on a phone number in your address book to immediately dial the number. You can stuff it into your cradle and use it as a regular modem off your laptop.

      Incoming calls are caller-id'd to your address book so you can see who is calling. You can set different ringtones based on addressbook category, so you can immediately tell if your boss is calling vs your girlfriend. You can download .wavs and convert them to ringtones.

      the incoming and outgoing call history and length is available to any palm app--I got a nifty third party freeware program that keeps track of total minutes used each month.

      It comes with a palm version of eudora that can seamlessly dial on demand. vindigo/avantgo can all dial on demand as well and sync via the internet.

      you can use your own isp, or the network provider's magic # to get an ip within 5 seconds.

      incoming sms messages are available to any palm app. The kyocera development kit allows anyone to integrate jog dial or phone support into their app (addressplus, a third party addressbook, used this dev kit to add tap dialing to their product.)

      how, exactly, is integration lacking?

    3. Re:Are you sure you own a 6035? by mesocyclone · · Score: 2

      Hmmm.... mine doesn't do much of that as far as I can tell. Ny provider (QWest grumble grumble) doesn't provide any data service for the 6035

      So, I have a secondary phone number for somebody. I would like to be able to train it as a voice recognition number. How do I do that? It owuld be nice if there were an option in the address book to let me do that.

      The stuff available to the palm app is nice, but it would be nicer if the phone came with palm apps to take advantage of all of that!

      Also, I got one of the very first units. I wonder if it needs an upgrade (if that is doable in the field).

      --

      The only good weather is bad weather.

    4. Re:Are you sure you own a 6035? by nehril · · Score: 2

      mine does all of that. The only provider-specific piece is the insta-isp from verizon (my provider). I setup a ppp session to dial #777 with a verizon default password/user id, and I get an ip address in about 4-5 seconds. Sprint has a similar deal with a different magic number. Qwest may have it too, but you may have to dig for it.

      You can still setup a regular isp to dial into if you have a modem-providing isp account. the phone comes with apps that do take advantage of all of that: check out the call log app and the messages app. it comes with eudora too.

      voice recognition is a separate app, I just train it as usual for each phone number. I train it for "FriendHome" and "FriendCell," no problems so far. it doesnt save the train data in the addressbook, which is great since it lets me use AddressPlus, a far superior app. the best way to get to the voice trainer is by closing the flip and navigating the menu, IIRC.

      the minute counter rocks, get it free here. You can even tell it what kind of plan you have (weekend minutes, daytime minutes, what day of the month the minutes reset, etc) and it will keep track of how many minutes you have left.

      the call logging app is also comes with it. it tells you incoming/outgoing calls and the number if available. it can also tell you if a call was a data call or regular voice.

      do some web searches and find the wave-ringtones converter. You can set ringtone/category mappings in Preferences. Check it out man, your 6035 rocks!

  41. Re:Gah. by Joseph+Lam · · Score: 1

    But I could understand the obsession with geek toys. After all, most of them are high-tech devices that you'll find it useful ONLY during social interactions(e.g. showing an iPAQ with Linux in front someone). And in daily social interactions, I often need to have some pricy gizmos in order to be entertained.
    :)

  42. Saturation is immenent. Prepare for self-destruct by ahfoo · · Score: 2

    The article is right, the wireless device market for the existing overpriced wireless infrastrucutre is probably already saturated and now every "ODM" in Taiwan is about to bomb the market with more of these overpriced toys, prepare for fallout.
    What a case of setting themselves up. Reminds me of a time I went to a gangster down New Year's party and started chatting about how my dad was a Jr. High teacher from the hood. Some of the nice fellas there recalled dear Dad quite readily and apparently harbored some resentment. Smack, bang crash! It was mere luck that I made it out alive. I think the only thing that saved me was they were afraid to get any more blood on themselves.
    Looking back I realize I set myself up for that in a big way. My expectations were unrealistic. Dad is like a cop and those guys didn't like cops. These handheld nuts are making the same mistake I did. --Oh this market looks tough, but if we act cute and have lots of enthusiasm we'll be okay.
    Pap, pap, pap.
    Instead of red blood, they'll be oozing market capitalization and laying off employees by the hundreds. Well, if they're as lucky as me they'll live through it. But I'm not kidding myself, it was just luck. Could have went the other way just as easily. Props to all the soon-to-be-dead handheld homies.

  43. After all the embedded company dissolutions by heroine · · Score: 2

    It makes you wonder if there was really as much interest in keeping track of time as there are handheld PC's and advertizements for handheld PC's.

  44. GPRS? by DJGrahamJ · · Score: 1

    Now make one of these babies with GPRS support and I'll pick one up... Oh and BTW it doesn't have GPS! Do you see a huge antenna on it? Nope... Plus if you read the fine print it says something about requiring carrier support. I guess this means The Man knows where you are anyway by triangulation and they'll likely sell that information back to you. Why doesn't someone make an 802.11 phone and bounce voicemail from phone to phone? No carrier required...