Then you should accept that using "the" in front of a country has nothing to do if the "the" is part of the official name, but mainly a question how 'the sentence sounds better'.
My 36 years of speaking English tells me that "the Ukraine" sounds as natural as "the Russia".
From November 1991, several American journalists began to refer to Ukraine as Ukraine instead of the Ukraine. The Associated Press dropped the article 'the' on 3 December 1991. This approach has become established in journalism and diplomacy since (other examples are the style guides of The Guardian and The Times). In 1993 the Ukrainian government requested that the article be dropped.
I don't think they plan on stripping it down, I think they plan some low-power static test fires to verify that it would be able to achieve full thrust again. I don't know if they can do that without stripping it down, but I would imagine that they would generally want to keep it as whole as possible just for posterity.
Everyone in Germany says "Die Ukraine", and guess what, the Ukrainians I know say "Die Ukraine", too.
Yeah, well, Germans also think it's a good idea to mash 10 words together into one giant word. Just because the Germans do it doesn't mean it's a good idea. With the exception of various engineering practices.
Besides, that's just something that German people do:
The use of the definite article is standard in some other languages such as French (l'Ukraine) or German (die Ukraine), but this is not a marked feature, since the article in French is required for all countries (except Singapore and Israel), and in German, for all non-neuter countries.
and regarding "Ukraine" *we* say "the Ukraine", what *you* say is your matter.
If by "we" you mean English-speakers, then no, *we* don't. If you're talking about German speakers, feel free to call it die Ukraine all you'd like. There's no reason to translate that to English though.
No one worries about the southeast Asian country being often referred to in English as 'the Philippines'
You mean the Republic of the Philippines? The country composed of the Philippine islands?
or about the country south of Egypt being sometimes called 'the Sudan'
You mean the Republic of the Sudan?
Those are their official names.
Numerous other non-country uses exist for various non English names across the world, including 'the Levant' (the east) of the Mediterranean coast, the Deccan (the south) of India, the Pampas (the plains) of Argentina, et.c.. It is just a recognition that the user knows the original meaning of the name, it is perfectly normal and correct in English.
So you don't care at all that the Ukrainian government specifically requested 22-odd years ago that English speakers drop the the?
Who knows more about the name of Ukraine, some random English speaker on the internet or the Ukrainians?
I know, we all need to panic! North Korea finally has the bomb! Surely they have imminent plans to use it!
Also, I'm really looking forward to the debut of 30 Rock on NBC in a couple days, I really like that Tina Fey and Tracy Morgan.
And the World Series is coming! Who is going to represent the American League, will it be the Tigers or A's? What about the National League, are you thinking Cardinals or Mets? The Cardinals' rookie pitchers Anthony Reyes and Adam Wainwright are looking pretty good, right?
I hear the US is supposed to hit 300 million people this month!
It's scary (really really scary!) about the NK bomb, but I'm still sad about those 5 Amish schoolgirls that got shot in Pennsylvania.
Did I miss anything else from October 2006? Read that first article in TFS. You can shit your pants if you want to over this latest test, go ahead, that's exactly what the North Koreans want you to do. Like the article says, they don't have many cards to play at this point.
OK. The Ukrainian government would still prefer that you just use "Ukraine".
In the Wikipedia article where you copied much of that text, the following paragraph says this:
In 1993 the Ukrainian government requested that the article be dropped.
The next sentence says this:
Referring to Ukraine as the Ukraine (instead of Ukraine) is considered insulting by Ukrainians.
That according to The Guardian:
"My feeling toward the Ukraine and towards the entire area is very, very strong. I know many people that live in the Ukraine, they're friends of mine, they're fantastic people," said Trump, who referred repeatedly to "the Ukraine", apparently oblivious to the fact the use of the definite article when referring to the country is considered insulting by Ukrainians.
no one is really saying: "I'm going to a trip to Ukraine"
Yes, they do. That's exactly how someone should say that, if they are in fact traveling to Ukraine (actually, they would say "on a trip", but whatever).
The official name of Germany is Bundesrepublik Deutschland, the official name of the US is The United States Of America, and the official (English) name of Ukraine is Ukraine. I would paste the Cyrillic version but we all know how much Slashdot likes UTF characters. Their Act of Independence contained language like this (I assume not actually written in English):
Act of Declaration of Independence of Ukraine - In view of the mortal danger surrounding Ukraine in connection with the state coup in the USSR on August 19, 1991, - Continuing the thousand-year tradition of state development in Ukraine, - Proceeding from the right of a nation to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations and other international legal documents, and - Implementing the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine,
the Verkhovna Rada of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic solemnly declares the Independence of Ukraine and the creation of an independent Ukrainian state – UKRAINE.
The territory of Ukraine is indivisible and inviolable.
From this day forward, only the Constitution and laws of Ukraine are valid on the territory of Ukraine.
I suspect that using "the" was from the Soviet days of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Today it's just Ukraine, not The Ukraine Republic or The Republic of Ukraine or whatever else.
"The Ukraine" was once the usual form in English but since the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine, "the Ukraine" has become much less common in the English-speaking world, and style-guides largely recommend not using the definite article.
The declaration of independence was adopted in 1991. Try to keep up.
Just like e.g it is 'the USA'
Yes, as in "The United States Of America", just like the Articles Of Confederation say:
In 1777 the Articles of Confederation announced, "The Stile of this Confederacy shall be 'The United States of America'".
Ukraine never called itself "The Ukraine". The official name of the country is "Ukraine". One major hint is the fact that "the" is an English article.
Prior to Ukraine's independence from the USSR, the country was generally called "the Ukraine" (with the definite article appended before the name) in English, but this usage is on the wane and officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications.
You see, writing something bold does not make it right.
That's correct, but being right does make it right.
The summary contains a few errors. Here, I fixed some:
When the Russia decided to abandon its drive to land cosmonauts on the moon, the reasons were not so much political than they were fiscal. The low price of oil and the costs of Vladimir Putin's imperial adventures in the Ukraine and the Syria had crowded out funding for the Russia space missions.
If we're talking about "the Ukraine", might as well also go with "the Russia" and "the Syria", right?
You even quoted text that says it "may not" have been an H-bomb, and "might" have been a simpler bomb. So, no, they are not saying that it was a smaller bomb, just that it "might" have been. If you go that NPR story and click on the link to that "expert's early assessment" tweet, you will notice words like "doubt" and "likely". And that NPR article doesn't say anything about satellite data about the current test either, that must have come from a source you didn't link to.
the only way to keep that is through duping the populace with this perpetual war.
I wonder where they think this leads. If they keep announcing that they have more and more advanced weapons, in order to keep up that trend then eventually they'll need to announce that they have missiles capable of striking the US. At that point they will have declared that they have the capability to attack the US mainland with nuclear weapons (regardless of whether or not that's true, like this announcement). At some point the population is going to start wondering, if NK is in some constant state of war, and has the capability to crush the US like the government claims, then why haven't they done it? Eventually the NK government is going to run out of lies to tell their people, I wonder if they've planned that far ahead. At some point there aren't going to be any new weapons to claim they have or any new capability they claim without their people wondering why they aren't using those things to finally win the non-stop war and re-unite the peninsula.
Uh, yes, that's correct. Instead of "keeping people safe", it probably has more to do with the developers at Microsoft not wanting to make changes to 4 different versions of their software across multiple operating systems when they could only do it to 1. If you're concerned about safety at all then maybe consider using a browser that was released within the past 3 years instead of counting on Microsoft to hold your hand.
That's the part that isn't happening. They aren't making anything use less data, it's the same amount of data just taking longer to transfer because they cap the rate. The only "optimization" they are counting on is having the video provider notice that your data rate is only 1.5mbps and having the server automatically switch to sending you a lower-quality stream. The server is doing that, not T-Mobile, and if the server isn't bothering to check your download rate then it doesn't happen anyway.
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Then you should accept that using "the" in front of a country has nothing to do if the "the" is part of the official name, but mainly a question how 'the sentence sounds better'.
My 36 years of speaking English tells me that "the Ukraine" sounds as natural as "the Russia".
Perhaps an Ukrainian can shed light on it ;D
They did:
From November 1991, several American journalists began to refer to Ukraine as Ukraine instead of the Ukraine. The Associated Press dropped the article 'the' on 3 December 1991. This approach has become established in journalism and diplomacy since (other examples are the style guides of The Guardian and The Times). In 1993 the Ukrainian government requested that the article be dropped.
You miss the point; why should one country prescribe how foreigners name it, especially to this detail?
So, who cares what the Ukrainians think? Fuck it then, let's just call it Greater Penistan and move on.
Haha, yes, it would be. Sort of like how saying something racist in English would only be considered racist to people who speak English.
Thank you. The check's in the mail.
Drupal cannot full-proof poor administrator practices.
When did that become a phrase? What would "full-proof" mean? It's immune to, what, being full?
"Hey pal, you want the diet whiskey with that?"
"No, I'll have the full-proof."
How about "fool-proof"?
I don't think they plan on stripping it down, I think they plan some low-power static test fires to verify that it would be able to achieve full thrust again. I don't know if they can do that without stripping it down, but I would imagine that they would generally want to keep it as whole as possible just for posterity.
It BELONGS in a MUSEUM!
They're really "slinging" doubt, but "doubtslinging" isn't a word. I thought of "FUD", but that implies a point of view
FUDslinging would actually be a pretty scrumtrulescent word.
Everyone in Germany says "Die Ukraine", and guess what, the Ukrainians I know say "Die Ukraine", too.
Yeah, well, Germans also think it's a good idea to mash 10 words together into one giant word. Just because the Germans do it doesn't mean it's a good idea. With the exception of various engineering practices.
Besides, that's just something that German people do:
The use of the definite article is standard in some other languages such as French (l'Ukraine) or German (die Ukraine), but this is not a marked feature, since the article in French is required for all countries (except Singapore and Israel), and in German, for all non-neuter countries.
and regarding "Ukraine" *we* say "the Ukraine", what *you* say is your matter.
If by "we" you mean English-speakers, then no, *we* don't. If you're talking about German speakers, feel free to call it die Ukraine all you'd like. There's no reason to translate that to English though.
It doesn't matter if all of Ukraine calls it "Ukraine", there will be plenty of people outside who will still call it the Ukraine.
Yes, like Donald Trump. I understand. It is the pet peeve. I'm just trying to do my part to educate English speakers.
No one worries about the southeast Asian country being often referred to in English as 'the Philippines'
You mean the Republic of the Philippines? The country composed of the Philippine islands?
or about the country south of Egypt being sometimes called 'the Sudan'
You mean the Republic of the Sudan?
Those are their official names.
Numerous other non-country uses exist for various non English names across the world, including 'the Levant' (the east) of the Mediterranean coast, the Deccan (the south) of India, the Pampas (the plains) of Argentina, et.c.. It is just a recognition that the user knows the original meaning of the name, it is perfectly normal and correct in English.
So you don't care at all that the Ukrainian government specifically requested 22-odd years ago that English speakers drop the the?
Who knows more about the name of Ukraine, some random English speaker on the internet or the Ukrainians?
Or, more likely, it's the exact same kind of device they detonated 3 years ago but they're just calling it an H-bomb. Like TFA suggests.
I know, we all need to panic! North Korea finally has the bomb! Surely they have imminent plans to use it!
Also, I'm really looking forward to the debut of 30 Rock on NBC in a couple days, I really like that Tina Fey and Tracy Morgan.
And the World Series is coming! Who is going to represent the American League, will it be the Tigers or A's? What about the National League, are you thinking Cardinals or Mets? The Cardinals' rookie pitchers Anthony Reyes and Adam Wainwright are looking pretty good, right?
I hear the US is supposed to hit 300 million people this month!
It's scary (really really scary!) about the NK bomb, but I'm still sad about those 5 Amish schoolgirls that got shot in Pennsylvania.
Did I miss anything else from October 2006? Read that first article in TFS. You can shit your pants if you want to over this latest test, go ahead, that's exactly what the North Koreans want you to do. Like the article says, they don't have many cards to play at this point.
OK. The Ukrainian government would still prefer that you just use "Ukraine".
In the Wikipedia article where you copied much of that text, the following paragraph says this:
In 1993 the Ukrainian government requested that the article be dropped.
The next sentence says this:
Referring to Ukraine as the Ukraine (instead of Ukraine) is considered insulting by Ukrainians.
That according to The Guardian:
"My feeling toward the Ukraine and towards the entire area is very, very strong. I know many people that live in the Ukraine, they're friends of mine, they're fantastic people," said Trump, who referred repeatedly to "the Ukraine", apparently oblivious to the fact the use of the definite article when referring to the country is considered insulting by Ukrainians.
no one is really saying: "I'm going to a trip to Ukraine"
Yes, they do. That's exactly how someone should say that, if they are in fact traveling to Ukraine (actually, they would say "on a trip", but whatever).
The official name of Germany is Bundesrepublik Deutschland, the official name of the US is The United States Of America, and the official (English) name of Ukraine is Ukraine. I would paste the Cyrillic version but we all know how much Slashdot likes UTF characters. Their Act of Independence contained language like this (I assume not actually written in English):
Act of Declaration of Independence of Ukraine
- In view of the mortal danger surrounding Ukraine in connection with the state coup in the USSR on August 19, 1991,
- Continuing the thousand-year tradition of state development in Ukraine,
- Proceeding from the right of a nation to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations and other international legal documents, and
- Implementing the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine,
the Verkhovna Rada of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic solemnly declares
the Independence of Ukraine and the creation of an independent Ukrainian state – UKRAINE.
The territory of Ukraine is indivisible and inviolable.
From this day forward, only the Constitution and laws of Ukraine are valid on the territory of Ukraine.
I suspect that using "the" was from the Soviet days of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Today it's just Ukraine, not The Ukraine Republic or The Republic of Ukraine or whatever else.
sigh...
"The Ukraine" was once the usual form in English but since the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine, "the Ukraine" has become much less common in the English-speaking world, and style-guides largely recommend not using the definite article.
The declaration of independence was adopted in 1991. Try to keep up.
Just like e.g it is 'the USA'
Yes, as in "The United States Of America", just like the Articles Of Confederation say:
In 1777 the Articles of Confederation announced, "The Stile of this Confederacy shall be 'The United States of America'".
Ukraine never called itself "The Ukraine". The official name of the country is "Ukraine". One major hint is the fact that "the" is an English article.
Prior to Ukraine's independence from the USSR, the country was generally called "the Ukraine" (with the definite article appended before the name) in English, but this usage is on the wane and officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications.
You see, writing something bold does not make it right.
That's correct, but being right does make it right.
I got a vasectomy a few years ago and I was told that there were about 20 'loads' in storage past the vas deferens.
OK. Then after hitting the switch you've got some serious work to do before that big date.
The summary contains a few errors. Here, I fixed some:
When the Russia decided to abandon its drive to land cosmonauts on the moon, the reasons were not so much political than they were fiscal. The low price of oil and the costs of Vladimir Putin's imperial adventures in the Ukraine and the Syria had crowded out funding for the Russia space missions.
If we're talking about "the Ukraine", might as well also go with "the Russia" and "the Syria", right?
Which country doesn't have a history of genocidal land grab, ethnic cleansings, or "worst form of slavery very late"?
Tonga!
Wait, shit, no.
Greenland!
You even quoted text that says it "may not" have been an H-bomb, and "might" have been a simpler bomb. So, no, they are not saying that it was a smaller bomb, just that it "might" have been. If you go that NPR story and click on the link to that "expert's early assessment" tweet, you will notice words like "doubt" and "likely". And that NPR article doesn't say anything about satellite data about the current test either, that must have come from a source you didn't link to.
Always remembers me this
Thanks a lot, it's going to take at least an hour for that twitch on my face to subside.
the only way to keep that is through duping the populace with this perpetual war.
I wonder where they think this leads. If they keep announcing that they have more and more advanced weapons, in order to keep up that trend then eventually they'll need to announce that they have missiles capable of striking the US. At that point they will have declared that they have the capability to attack the US mainland with nuclear weapons (regardless of whether or not that's true, like this announcement). At some point the population is going to start wondering, if NK is in some constant state of war, and has the capability to crush the US like the government claims, then why haven't they done it? Eventually the NK government is going to run out of lies to tell their people, I wonder if they've planned that far ahead. At some point there aren't going to be any new weapons to claim they have or any new capability they claim without their people wondering why they aren't using those things to finally win the non-stop war and re-unite the peninsula.
Uh, yes, that's correct. Instead of "keeping people safe", it probably has more to do with the developers at Microsoft not wanting to make changes to 4 different versions of their software across multiple operating systems when they could only do it to 1. If you're concerned about safety at all then maybe consider using a browser that was released within the past 3 years instead of counting on Microsoft to hold your hand.
Sweet Jesus, I wasn't aware of this.
Tell me, how does Microsoft force anyone to use anything?
others will be processed to use less data.
That's the part that isn't happening. They aren't making anything use less data, it's the same amount of data just taking longer to transfer because they cap the rate. The only "optimization" they are counting on is having the video provider notice that your data rate is only 1.5mbps and having the server automatically switch to sending you a lower-quality stream. The server is doing that, not T-Mobile, and if the server isn't bothering to check your download rate then it doesn't happen anyway.