Both the Nazis and Japanese used prisoner populations to undertake medical studies, and not just for sake of cruel curiosity. The Nazis are known to have subjected prisoners to both heat and cold experiments. These were done to provide data on survivability for soldiers, and the cold studies were especially important to them because German armed forces faced harsh mountain conditions and the very real possibility of having to survive in the North Sea or the Atlantic if their ship was sunk or their plane was shot down. They also conducted drug trials (recent studies have suggested that thalidomide may actually have been developed this way) and tested surgical techniques. Their prisoners included Jews, but also included homosexuals, gypsies, the mentally retarded, and other undesirables, as well as some prisoners of war. They used twin studies and randomized trials to validate data. As cruel, immoral, and unethical as they may have been, they kept excellent records and wrote detailed papers. This not only helped to convict many of them, but also provided data to the medical industry, the ethics of which use has been debated since they were first uncovered.
The Japanese did similar work using the populace of conquered nations, convicted criminals, and prisoners of war. They are known to have undertaken wound studies by tying human prisoners to posts at varying points around a munition (shell, grenade, mine, etc.) and exploding it, then observing the wound patterns and shrapnel damage on the subjects. Similar experiment were used to test new weapons or ammunition. They also performed experiments with chemical and biological agents in part to determine efficacy of the agents but also to test defenses against them. Other biological agent experiments were used to breed the agents; subjects were then infested with fleas which were collected to be spread over populations or their bodily fluids were used to contaminate supplies in order to spread the disease. Many of those who participated and survived the war, including the entirety of Unit 731, were given immunity in exchange for sharing their work exclusively with the United States. In this way, they were treated much as the US treated German rocket scientists who had used slave labor (though there's a significant difference between using slave labor and condemning people to death through medical torture).
Both conducted experiments including vivisection (with and without anesthesia), organ removal, infection and decay, amputation, hyper- and hypobaric conditions, and water and food deprivation. I'm sure that to call it horrific would not begin to describe it, as many of those who discovered the sites developed PTSD from their experiences viewing the aftermaths. There were also those, such as Josef Mengele, who professed to work in the name of science but by all accounts were simply there for curiosity and torture. But others believed (or rationalized) that their work was crucial and, under wartime conditions, ethically permissible.
DD-WRT if you just want a feature/reliability improvement.
I don't know about that. At least from the view of official builds, DD-WRT has stagnated. The last official release was more than three years ago and the last pre-SP2 release was more than two years ago.
Even the unofficial builds aren't much of an improvement to me. I was using a couple of different builds to get IPv6 functionality and while it worked, I had problems with odd setting resets or services just stopping for no clear reason. Ultimately, I decided to just go with a new DLink router because it provided the functionality that I wanted and pretty much Just Worked. No messing with scripts, no tinkering with poorly-documented settings. It just worked like it was supposed to. (Well, mostly. There's an issue where.11n connectivity breaks, but.11g still works, but that's far less irritating as there's an effective fallback that works.)
I understand the desire to have control over the firmware, as I ran OpenWRT or DD-WRT for several years. I'm also not averse to installing things of questionable stability, as I use Fedora for most of my Linux stations. I enjoyed what I was doing for a while and I learned some things on how the services worked, but it became more of a distraction where I was spending time fixing issues instead of learning other things.
You'll find no argument there from me. But the Thai king is much like the British monarchy: it technically holds certain powers, but they're almost a formality and are used only in the rarest of cases. Even in the military coups that Thailand has seen so frequently, the king rarely gets publicly involved. The Prime Minister and the senior officers of the armed forces are the real powers there, though none of them do much to directly cross the king.
I don't agree with laws like this, but the Thai people seem to be comfortable with it and support it. I can disagree with it and maybe I will do so strongly enough that I will never visit the country, but I'm not going to push the issue much more than that.
You can be pro-vaccination and be against mandated vaccination. And yes, it can be an emotional issue when it comes to bringing a more immediate threat. I plan to have kids in the next few years and I live in California (at least for the moment); you can bet that I'm irritated at the people who have chosen to not get their kids vaccinated against whooping cough, leading to a statewide epidemic of thousands of cases and numerous deaths, reversing a 60-year trend. That's an emotional reaction, but I still support mandated vaccinations on the basis of scientific evidence.
Ultimately, I see mandated vaccinations as no more unreasonable than other public health laws such as food preparation requirements, sewage management, and waste disposal. They're all intended to minimize the spread of disease, and I don't find them to be too onerous.
If you concede that the law may be sane and reasonable, then consider it and support it (or not) for your own reasons. Don't let the fact that someone may be stupid in their own support determine whether you will support it; that's just an emotional reaction to an emotional reaction. I have plenty of my own views on other topics that I continue to support because I believe in them, despite the many idiots with whom I'd rather not share any views. A rational mind discounts the idiots and addresses the point at hand.
Airports are not federal property. They're just under federal jurisdiction for security purposes. LAX, Ontario, and Van Nuys airports are owned and operated by Los Angeles World Airports, a department of the LA County government. Fullerton Airport is owned by the City of Fullerton. Most airports are owned by local municipalities.
In any society, certain behaviors must be mandated in order for that society to function, let alone thrive. These can be narrowly-tailored; in the US, the Supreme Court has been delivering largely narrowly-tailored opinions for the last decade, realizing that sweeping generalizations can often do enough harm to society so as to outweigh the good coming from rectifying the immediate issue before the Court. It is possible to back mandated vaccinations without backing pervasive surveillance. It is a narrowly-tailored exception to not wanting the government to track all of my activities based on the overall benefit that comes from almost everyone being immunized. In addition, immunization provides a relatively rapid and verifiable outcome, something widespread surveillance will likely not do (at least in part because many of the actions undertaken by surveillance units will never be publicly revealed).
On a side note, becoming anti-vaccination simply to make a political point is an unthinking, knee-jerk reaction to someone telling you what to do. If you're taking the view for a religious reason, that's one thing. But to take a view just to stick it to the man means that you're leaving your reasoning at the door and allowing emotion to make up your mind. I understand your questions and skepticism, but please do put some rational thought into the decision.
Fascism is neither right- nor left-wing. Like Libertarianism, it covers the spectrum. Speaking from a general perspective, backing a strong military and nationalism are right-wing aspects, but the elimination of social classes and the government-led policies affecting wide aspects of individuals' lives are left-wing aspects. There are, of course, differences in believers' views of fascism, but it does still tend to be hard to pigeon-hole to either side.
Such as? The major problem seen in recent years is the reduction in herd immunity due to lack of immunization and the outbreaks of measles and whooping cough in populations that have had low or zero rates over the past few decades.
Approval would be far more likely were it Sprint trying to buy it, especially in light of the document that leaked proving that AT&T was just trying to buy out the competition to have less of it. However, Sprint doesn't have the money to do so and is still trying to deal with the technology merger from when it bought Nextel. Maybe in a few years, when LTE is the de facto standard instead of the competing 3G techs, such a merger will make sense, but not now.
Except that habeas corpus has only been suspended in a declared war during World War II, and then only for the territory of Hawaii. Habeas corpus has been suspended outside of a declared war only a few times, most notably the Civil War and in the Phillipines when it was a US territory. Martial law has been declared more often, but with the exception of the Civil War and the aforementioned situation in Hawaii, it has generally been limited in the scope to a city or a few counties.
The way the US practices war is a little different from how nations on other continents have practiced it, in large part because the US has had few hostile immediate neighbors, and even when it did, its existence was in comparatively little danger.
Hushmail lost a lot of credibility a few years ago when it turned out that its most commonly-used encryption method that ran server-side was delivered in a modified state at the request of government agencies. Yes, there are issues with trusting anything server-side, but its promises started sounding hollow when the CTO openly admitted it.
If you built your own applet from the public source code, the interception was not an issue, but if you used the easier mechanism hosted by Hushmail, you were at risk of your mail being decrypted and turned over.
No war was ever declared against Iraq. The only times war has been declared by the US were the War of 1812; the Mexican-American War; the Spanish-American War; and both World Wars. Iraq was a congressionally-authorized military action. There's a significant legal difference.
Point of fact: Germany declared war on the US first. That allowed the US to legally respond in kind and undertake overt hostilities.
07 Dec 1941: Japan attacks Pearl Harbor, declaring war later that day
08 Dec 1941: US declares war on Japan
11 Dec 1941: Germany and Italy declare war on the US; US declares war on Germany later that day.
With the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US's full entry into the war went from an eventual likelihood to a guarantee.
I agree with you on the invasion of Iraq and the apprehension of Saddam Hussein. I disagree that Afghanistan should be vacated right now, as it's still not nearly stable enough and we'd just end up back there sooner or later.
Part of the problem is that many people accept copyright because they think that it protects their childhood memories (like Steamboat Willie) from being co-opted by others who would somehow twist it, never mind that their worst fears are already protected in the US under parody exceptions (see the various porn adaptations of Snow White). When it comes down to artistic freedom or protected memories, the latter will often win.
GPS is now so heavily used by so many segments of the civilian world that no nation can afford its loss unless it was about to be annihilated. The more precise signals can be re-encrypted, as they were for a long time, but the basic signal is too ingrained for the US to completely shut down GPS (or remove all access to it).
I have a British friend from around Bath who shares your opinion of bacon, but would disagree with you on the general comparison of British vs. American food. When he stayed with us and we went to breakfast, he stared at the bacon for a couple of minutes before even trying it, and then only ate one piece of the three, expressing some dismay at the difference. My then-girlfriend and I ate the other two pieces.
I don't cook my bacon until it's carbon. My guide is the fat. I like it browned and flaky, and the meat should be a dark reddish-brown. There is a point at which it's too burnt to eat and just tastes like soot.
I'm not sure why you want to limit my rights to publish the location of something that you broadcast to the public. I'm not cracking it, and I'm not even trying to log into it. I just capture the beacons and note the likely location based on GPS triangulation. Why do you consider that so private that I cannot publish it even though you're making it possible for me to see and locate it, especially when you accept that it's not an issue that I can see it?
Garrett was also in large part responsible for fixing a running problem with booting on UEFI systems, particularly notebooks. (That wasn't the only patch that needed to be written, but it did provide the foundation. It's also one of the funniest developer commentaries for a patch I've ever seen.) I've seen his name attached to Linux development for a while, but it's only recently that I've come to understand just how much of the deep internal architecture he understands and has helped to fix.
But I've yet to see anything (and it would take a lot, so I'm not expecting it) to overcome their overly short support cycles.
if support cycles are important, then Fedora isn't for you. It's intended to be the latest, cutting-edge software which itself takes so much time and energy to put together that supporting older versions becomes a drain on newer version development. It's essentially Red Hat's public test lab, and one of the reasons that they don't formally support upgrading between distros (especially not in cases like F16 where so much of the support architecture has changed in one release).
Some things will change, but probably not as much as in Tunisia or perhaps Libya. Mubarak kept a strong military as a counter to both Libya and Israel, and because the US was willing to send a lot of military hardware his way. That proved to be his downfall. A strong, secular military has its own reasons and expectations to exist (see Turkey) and doesn't like those outside its upper echelons to get in the way of that. Egypt has been expanding its role in the Sinai and pushing the limits of its agreement with Israel to limit deployments there, but they're also actively searching for terrorists, and Israel seems to be OK with that, at least for the moment.
Egypt's current military government has a real interest in maintaining the peace with Israel, especially since trade with Israel is fairly strong and Israeli tourists bring a lot of money with them. The general running the show recently appeared in public while wearing civilian clothes for the first time ever, and there have been discussions of him retiring soon; the timeframe most often discussed is shortly before the elections are held--purely a coincidence, of course. The military doesn't want the Muslim Brotherhood gaining a serious foothold, though they're being less repressive than Mubarak to make them at least appear to be better than him.
The concern is that the 1967 borders are nearly indefensible, and if Israel is forced to give up its control of the Golan Heights, Syria regains a powerful strategic position. Israel is a tiny country, and they are fearful that should Palestine gain statehood and Egypt and Jordan will return to their old ways, the ability to defend Israel will be far diminished. With Hezbollah holding a great deal more power in Lebanon than a few years ago and Syria trying to figure out how to unify its people to stop the uprisings, the region is far too volatile for the Israelis to believe they can calm down.
I'd rather see the Gaza Strip absorbed into Egypt and the West Bank absorbed into Jordan. This brings about difficulties for both nations both politically and economically, but at least the two are at peace and relatively friendly with Israel. Both of them have issues with Palestinian leadership, though, in regards to past terrorism and assassination plans, so that's almost certainly not going to happen. Israel's constant addition of new settlements doesn't help at all and is clearly against international law, but no one wants to be the force to try to remove them because it will start a war.
The whole situation is ugly, and won't be sorted out in the next few decades unless the area is completely depopulated and people stop caring.
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Both the Nazis and Japanese used prisoner populations to undertake medical studies, and not just for sake of cruel curiosity. The Nazis are known to have subjected prisoners to both heat and cold experiments. These were done to provide data on survivability for soldiers, and the cold studies were especially important to them because German armed forces faced harsh mountain conditions and the very real possibility of having to survive in the North Sea or the Atlantic if their ship was sunk or their plane was shot down. They also conducted drug trials (recent studies have suggested that thalidomide may actually have been developed this way) and tested surgical techniques. Their prisoners included Jews, but also included homosexuals, gypsies, the mentally retarded, and other undesirables, as well as some prisoners of war. They used twin studies and randomized trials to validate data. As cruel, immoral, and unethical as they may have been, they kept excellent records and wrote detailed papers. This not only helped to convict many of them, but also provided data to the medical industry, the ethics of which use has been debated since they were first uncovered.
The Japanese did similar work using the populace of conquered nations, convicted criminals, and prisoners of war. They are known to have undertaken wound studies by tying human prisoners to posts at varying points around a munition (shell, grenade, mine, etc.) and exploding it, then observing the wound patterns and shrapnel damage on the subjects. Similar experiment were used to test new weapons or ammunition. They also performed experiments with chemical and biological agents in part to determine efficacy of the agents but also to test defenses against them. Other biological agent experiments were used to breed the agents; subjects were then infested with fleas which were collected to be spread over populations or their bodily fluids were used to contaminate supplies in order to spread the disease. Many of those who participated and survived the war, including the entirety of Unit 731, were given immunity in exchange for sharing their work exclusively with the United States. In this way, they were treated much as the US treated German rocket scientists who had used slave labor (though there's a significant difference between using slave labor and condemning people to death through medical torture).
Both conducted experiments including vivisection (with and without anesthesia), organ removal, infection and decay, amputation, hyper- and hypobaric conditions, and water and food deprivation. I'm sure that to call it horrific would not begin to describe it, as many of those who discovered the sites developed PTSD from their experiences viewing the aftermaths. There were also those, such as Josef Mengele, who professed to work in the name of science but by all accounts were simply there for curiosity and torture. But others believed (or rationalized) that their work was crucial and, under wartime conditions, ethically permissible.
I don't know about that. At least from the view of official builds, DD-WRT has stagnated. The last official release was more than three years ago and the last pre-SP2 release was more than two years ago.
Even the unofficial builds aren't much of an improvement to me. I was using a couple of different builds to get IPv6 functionality and while it worked, I had problems with odd setting resets or services just stopping for no clear reason. Ultimately, I decided to just go with a new DLink router because it provided the functionality that I wanted and pretty much Just Worked. No messing with scripts, no tinkering with poorly-documented settings. It just worked like it was supposed to. (Well, mostly. There's an issue where .11n connectivity breaks, but .11g still works, but that's far less irritating as there's an effective fallback that works.)
I understand the desire to have control over the firmware, as I ran OpenWRT or DD-WRT for several years. I'm also not averse to installing things of questionable stability, as I use Fedora for most of my Linux stations. I enjoyed what I was doing for a while and I learned some things on how the services worked, but it became more of a distraction where I was spending time fixing issues instead of learning other things.
You'll find no argument there from me. But the Thai king is much like the British monarchy: it technically holds certain powers, but they're almost a formality and are used only in the rarest of cases. Even in the military coups that Thailand has seen so frequently, the king rarely gets publicly involved. The Prime Minister and the senior officers of the armed forces are the real powers there, though none of them do much to directly cross the king.
I don't agree with laws like this, but the Thai people seem to be comfortable with it and support it. I can disagree with it and maybe I will do so strongly enough that I will never visit the country, but I'm not going to push the issue much more than that.
You can be pro-vaccination and be against mandated vaccination. And yes, it can be an emotional issue when it comes to bringing a more immediate threat. I plan to have kids in the next few years and I live in California (at least for the moment); you can bet that I'm irritated at the people who have chosen to not get their kids vaccinated against whooping cough, leading to a statewide epidemic of thousands of cases and numerous deaths, reversing a 60-year trend. That's an emotional reaction, but I still support mandated vaccinations on the basis of scientific evidence.
Ultimately, I see mandated vaccinations as no more unreasonable than other public health laws such as food preparation requirements, sewage management, and waste disposal. They're all intended to minimize the spread of disease, and I don't find them to be too onerous.
If you concede that the law may be sane and reasonable, then consider it and support it (or not) for your own reasons. Don't let the fact that someone may be stupid in their own support determine whether you will support it; that's just an emotional reaction to an emotional reaction. I have plenty of my own views on other topics that I continue to support because I believe in them, despite the many idiots with whom I'd rather not share any views. A rational mind discounts the idiots and addresses the point at hand.
Airports are not federal property. They're just under federal jurisdiction for security purposes. LAX, Ontario, and Van Nuys airports are owned and operated by Los Angeles World Airports, a department of the LA County government. Fullerton Airport is owned by the City of Fullerton. Most airports are owned by local municipalities.
Widely revered does not mean universally revered.
In any society, certain behaviors must be mandated in order for that society to function, let alone thrive. These can be narrowly-tailored; in the US, the Supreme Court has been delivering largely narrowly-tailored opinions for the last decade, realizing that sweeping generalizations can often do enough harm to society so as to outweigh the good coming from rectifying the immediate issue before the Court. It is possible to back mandated vaccinations without backing pervasive surveillance. It is a narrowly-tailored exception to not wanting the government to track all of my activities based on the overall benefit that comes from almost everyone being immunized. In addition, immunization provides a relatively rapid and verifiable outcome, something widespread surveillance will likely not do (at least in part because many of the actions undertaken by surveillance units will never be publicly revealed).
On a side note, becoming anti-vaccination simply to make a political point is an unthinking, knee-jerk reaction to someone telling you what to do. If you're taking the view for a religious reason, that's one thing. But to take a view just to stick it to the man means that you're leaving your reasoning at the door and allowing emotion to make up your mind. I understand your questions and skepticism, but please do put some rational thought into the decision.
Fascism is neither right- nor left-wing. Like Libertarianism, it covers the spectrum. Speaking from a general perspective, backing a strong military and nationalism are right-wing aspects, but the elimination of social classes and the government-led policies affecting wide aspects of individuals' lives are left-wing aspects. There are, of course, differences in believers' views of fascism, but it does still tend to be hard to pigeon-hole to either side.
Such as? The major problem seen in recent years is the reduction in herd immunity due to lack of immunization and the outbreaks of measles and whooping cough in populations that have had low or zero rates over the past few decades.
Approval would be far more likely were it Sprint trying to buy it, especially in light of the document that leaked proving that AT&T was just trying to buy out the competition to have less of it. However, Sprint doesn't have the money to do so and is still trying to deal with the technology merger from when it bought Nextel. Maybe in a few years, when LTE is the de facto standard instead of the competing 3G techs, such a merger will make sense, but not now.
The FCC's input in this is important, since its approval is required by law.
The odds of the merger happening have dropped dramatically, though I think they were less than even before this.
Except that habeas corpus has only been suspended in a declared war during World War II, and then only for the territory of Hawaii. Habeas corpus has been suspended outside of a declared war only a few times, most notably the Civil War and in the Phillipines when it was a US territory. Martial law has been declared more often, but with the exception of the Civil War and the aforementioned situation in Hawaii, it has generally been limited in the scope to a city or a few counties.
The way the US practices war is a little different from how nations on other continents have practiced it, in large part because the US has had few hostile immediate neighbors, and even when it did, its existence was in comparatively little danger.
Hushmail lost a lot of credibility a few years ago when it turned out that its most commonly-used encryption method that ran server-side was delivered in a modified state at the request of government agencies. Yes, there are issues with trusting anything server-side, but its promises started sounding hollow when the CTO openly admitted it.
If you built your own applet from the public source code, the interception was not an issue, but if you used the easier mechanism hosted by Hushmail, you were at risk of your mail being decrypted and turned over.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/11/encrypted-e-mai/
Treason is defined, but the details (including punishment) are still laid out in law.
No war was ever declared against Iraq. The only times war has been declared by the US were the War of 1812; the Mexican-American War; the Spanish-American War; and both World Wars. Iraq was a congressionally-authorized military action. There's a significant legal difference.
Point of fact: Germany declared war on the US first. That allowed the US to legally respond in kind and undertake overt hostilities.
With the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US's full entry into the war went from an eventual likelihood to a guarantee.
I agree with you on the invasion of Iraq and the apprehension of Saddam Hussein. I disagree that Afghanistan should be vacated right now, as it's still not nearly stable enough and we'd just end up back there sooner or later.
Part of the problem is that many people accept copyright because they think that it protects their childhood memories (like Steamboat Willie) from being co-opted by others who would somehow twist it, never mind that their worst fears are already protected in the US under parody exceptions (see the various porn adaptations of Snow White). When it comes down to artistic freedom or protected memories, the latter will often win.
GPS is now so heavily used by so many segments of the civilian world that no nation can afford its loss unless it was about to be annihilated. The more precise signals can be re-encrypted, as they were for a long time, but the basic signal is too ingrained for the US to completely shut down GPS (or remove all access to it).
I have a British friend from around Bath who shares your opinion of bacon, but would disagree with you on the general comparison of British vs. American food. When he stayed with us and we went to breakfast, he stared at the bacon for a couple of minutes before even trying it, and then only ate one piece of the three, expressing some dismay at the difference. My then-girlfriend and I ate the other two pieces.
I don't cook my bacon until it's carbon. My guide is the fat. I like it browned and flaky, and the meat should be a dark reddish-brown. There is a point at which it's too burnt to eat and just tastes like soot.
Crispy, near-burnt bacon is best. If it flexes, it can still be cooked.
I'm not sure why you want to limit my rights to publish the location of something that you broadcast to the public. I'm not cracking it, and I'm not even trying to log into it. I just capture the beacons and note the likely location based on GPS triangulation. Why do you consider that so private that I cannot publish it even though you're making it possible for me to see and locate it, especially when you accept that it's not an issue that I can see it?
Garrett was also in large part responsible for fixing a running problem with booting on UEFI systems, particularly notebooks. (That wasn't the only patch that needed to be written, but it did provide the foundation. It's also one of the funniest developer commentaries for a patch I've ever seen.) I've seen his name attached to Linux development for a while, but it's only recently that I've come to understand just how much of the deep internal architecture he understands and has helped to fix.
if support cycles are important, then Fedora isn't for you. It's intended to be the latest, cutting-edge software which itself takes so much time and energy to put together that supporting older versions becomes a drain on newer version development. It's essentially Red Hat's public test lab, and one of the reasons that they don't formally support upgrading between distros (especially not in cases like F16 where so much of the support architecture has changed in one release).
Some things will change, but probably not as much as in Tunisia or perhaps Libya. Mubarak kept a strong military as a counter to both Libya and Israel, and because the US was willing to send a lot of military hardware his way. That proved to be his downfall. A strong, secular military has its own reasons and expectations to exist (see Turkey) and doesn't like those outside its upper echelons to get in the way of that. Egypt has been expanding its role in the Sinai and pushing the limits of its agreement with Israel to limit deployments there, but they're also actively searching for terrorists, and Israel seems to be OK with that, at least for the moment.
Egypt's current military government has a real interest in maintaining the peace with Israel, especially since trade with Israel is fairly strong and Israeli tourists bring a lot of money with them. The general running the show recently appeared in public while wearing civilian clothes for the first time ever, and there have been discussions of him retiring soon; the timeframe most often discussed is shortly before the elections are held--purely a coincidence, of course. The military doesn't want the Muslim Brotherhood gaining a serious foothold, though they're being less repressive than Mubarak to make them at least appear to be better than him.
The concern is that the 1967 borders are nearly indefensible, and if Israel is forced to give up its control of the Golan Heights, Syria regains a powerful strategic position. Israel is a tiny country, and they are fearful that should Palestine gain statehood and Egypt and Jordan will return to their old ways, the ability to defend Israel will be far diminished. With Hezbollah holding a great deal more power in Lebanon than a few years ago and Syria trying to figure out how to unify its people to stop the uprisings, the region is far too volatile for the Israelis to believe they can calm down.
I'd rather see the Gaza Strip absorbed into Egypt and the West Bank absorbed into Jordan. This brings about difficulties for both nations both politically and economically, but at least the two are at peace and relatively friendly with Israel. Both of them have issues with Palestinian leadership, though, in regards to past terrorism and assassination plans, so that's almost certainly not going to happen. Israel's constant addition of new settlements doesn't help at all and is clearly against international law, but no one wants to be the force to try to remove them because it will start a war.
The whole situation is ugly, and won't be sorted out in the next few decades unless the area is completely depopulated and people stop caring.