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Fedora 16 Released
Karrde712 writes "Fedora 16 has just been released, bringing with it Gnome 3.2, KDE 4.7, GRUB2 and more!" Here are the full release notes; most users will probably want to jump to the list of changes for desktop users.
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so forget it.
It should be noted in the article.
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Perhaps the problem with GNOME 3 is that GNOME 2 will no longer have the support of the GNOME Foundation behind its continued development, and it might take too long to build up the financial wherewithal to establish a Fork-of-GNOME-2 Foundation.
They're actually listing grub2 as an UPGRADE?
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I've got a fever and the only prescription is more COBOL.
,,, were it not for Gnome by default. But I've yet to see anything (and it would take a lot, so I'm not expecting it) to overcome their overly short support cycles. I need something better to use this at work, for either the desktops (we only use Windows where there is absolutely no other choice, which makes a grand total of 2) or the servers (0). But even Ubuntu's slow (in some cases) security updates are starting to bother me (over an issue they haven't yet updated in my one-version-behind system even though Slackware fixed the same one over a month ago in versions all the way back to 2007).
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
GNOME 3, systemd, autokey, just to name a few. Now they're saying that everything belongs in /usr/bin.
Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to re-invent it, badly. Evidently, as Fedora.
Maybe I'm just getting too old for this, but I'd rather have improvements in the tools that work than to have to learn a completely new tool every year because somebody decided that the old way is wrong because they didn't invent it. I guess Vim will be on the block next.
Are we, as a community, absolutely certain that "release early, release often" is always the best way to go?
I want all of the power and none of the responsibility.
for those upgrading via preupgrade, make sure to have at least 70% free space in boot or it will fail with an out of space error on the reboot.
Good people go to bed earlier.
I don't see anything in the release notes, I thought buterfase was supposed to be the default file system in F16?
I'm not exactly a newbie; I've run every release of Fedora since the beginning, and compiled my own RH distributions before that - I'm one of the original RHCEs (Feb 2000). Like most people, I was very shocked and frustrated when F15 came out with Gnome3 and found that I lost a lot of functionality because of the new desktop that is being geared towards tablets and ignores the rest of us. At least with the fallback mode and some add ons I could get close to previous functionality, but the app bar is long gone. My temptation at the time was to fall back to F14. I've learned my lesson, I won't automatically upgrade, but load to a VM first.
I may be a gnome(3) hating "refusenik" curmudgeon, even I have to admit that systemd seriously rocks. It's a massive step forward and very unix friendly. It even has excellent man pages (something nothing fedora has added this decade except selinux has)
Applefication (The doctrine that designers know better than users, and that users should not worry their tiny little minds about how to configure something to be useful for them) of desktops and applications may be fine for Sheeple, but not for people who want to get the most out of their desktops.
GNOME 3 is a total disaster, it is simply unworkable for people who actually want to do serious work - unless your use of a computer is somewhat trivial and you're happy with what appears to be something that seems to be based on a mobile phone interface for large screens.
GNOME 3 is a triumph of fashion over functionality.
As Linus, and others have said, xfce is better than GNOME 3, but not as good as GNOME 2.
What are they smoking? Were they bought out by Apple or Microsoft???
you will have all manner of problems if you still have GNOME and its files around. the proper way would be to uninstall GNOME desktop and erase all the dot files that could fuck xfce up, and there are a few. I tried Fedora as one possibility to fleeing ubuntu, but quite frankly the alternative desktops either aren't as well stocked for serious admin of the machine, or have conflicts
nope, certain gnome dot files will screw up xfce4. you'd have to remove GNOME desktop first, and then delete some dot files in home directory. the truth is that fedora is geared to about two desktops and xfce isn't one
Like you Netcraft is a Troll. So get on your troll-cycle and be off with you.
Uh, yeah, I tried it in other Fedora releases, and didn't happen to run into those problems. I could log into Xfce, Gnome, KDE, and LXDE in turn using a login selector without any problems.
I can't imagine any case where this would happen.
Have you reported any bugs on it? Not against Fedora Xfce apparently, since I've never seen them (I'm one of the Fedora Xfce maintainers).
Fed16 smells a bit too Unity-ish for me. The desktop is being further relegated to nothing more than wallpaper and not a productive space (not storage space mind you!). I feel like at this point the Gnome 2 look and feel is gone with the larger distros. The king is dead; long live the king. I am giving Mint a try, but their 12.x plans to produce a hybrid Gnome 2 + 3 environment sounds like a clustersmack waiting to happen. Sigh. I think I miss right-clicking for Properties most of all.
Since Kermit has been embroiled in some rather obscure licensing issues over the years, from the project's name to the open-source license, I was surprised to see ckermit included in Fedora at all. As it turns out, Columbia University shut down the Kermit project earlier this year. Kermit is now really open-source. http://www.kermitproject.org/
Kriston
If you use nvidia drivers with Fedora -- or at very least, do so with the aid of rpmfusion -- you may want to hold off on upgrading to F16.
To see if you should wait, run the following command:
nvidia-settings -q AccelerateTrapezoids
If you get nothing returned (or more accurately, two CRLFs), you will probably want to hold off on upgrading F15 -> F16. Looks like there is a bug in the nvidia drivers which can cause some pretty severe performance degradation.
Specifically, any card that can't handle trapezoid acceleration will suffer due to this regression. And to put it in perspective, my GT240, which is not ancient doesn't support this. So it's pretty bad.
More details: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166698
It /is/ apparently fixed in the 290.06 driver - but that's not in rpmfusion yet.
A good few sites are saying that after a burst of enthusiasm, the project seems to have stalled.
guess you don't read the fedora forums, then
Bitch Bitch Bitchy Bitch
You don't like it don't use it and STFU
WTF! SOSO........8*)
most developers don't read forums, as they're incredibly inefficient; just keeping up with Bugzilla is enough work. so if you want a dev to see your issue, file it as a bug, not a forum post.
Indeed. Although in this case, I do in fact read the forums. ;) ( if you are talking about fedoraforum?).
I don't recall seeing any such bug.
As Adam notes, filing an actual bug is much more likely to get folks attention, but if you note your forum post I'd be happy to reply to you there too.
rpm = really poor package management. Cloud computing services ? Are they nuts ? Cloud computing is a security nightmare and I shudder to think what bonehead corporations and individuals are willing to sacrifice the privacy of their data to faceless entities.
The welcome screen is a big black blob of window, and the interface is no better than Fedora 15. The net benefit is the newer kernel. My first efforts with newer software versions, met with failed to launch, and bugzilla core dumps being forwarded.
Here is an interesting idea for an improvement. In the bottom right corner, allow the gnome 2 desktop switcher to appear. It allows us with one click to move from desktop to desktop with a single click, and allows Gnome3 to please the email/internet users.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
Now that there's a continuous repository for CentOS 6, it's a pretty obvious Linux desktop to use in a work environment. It means GNOME 2, Sys V init scripts (i.e. stuff that works!) and updates for 7 years. If you're like me, you'll maintain a handful of packages manually (I have scripts to create RPMs of the latest Firefox and Thunderbird, plus I install the latest LibreOffice too), but with useful repos like EPEL, RPMforge and ELrepo filling in the remaining gaps, it's a pretty stable setup and a much more sensible choice than Fedora for a work desktop.
Bonus point: You can run the exactly the same OS on your desktop and servers! Even Windows can't do that...
the forums have solution of removal of certain dot files, to cure the problem. thus it may not even constitute "bug" so much as "interference" between packages that use same configuration files.