don't blame the chinese for that, blame the short sightedness and the stock market instead. Nobody forced those American companies out of business, Americans did. Instead of going for quality they went for price, the rest, as they say, is history.
America used to be the industrial backbone of the world, but being market driven, marching in lockstep to the quarterly reports you've thrown your industrial capacity and your engineering talent under the bus of short term profits.
so, the 'free market' is not good enough when you lose your job but it's just fine when a bunch of canadians or mexicans lose theirs ? Where was the outrage over the beef and timber tarrifs ?
of all the bullshit the factor of 40 really had me cringe, current solar cells are anywhere from 8 to 30% effective, even 40 * 8 is well over 100...
I'll be happy when there is a month going by without an announcement of some future improvement of solar cells but a proven and ready to ship announcement of say 5... 10% or so.
I have both mac os/x and linux here and I *far* prefer KDE (3) over os/x, I just can't seem to get used to the main menu switching all the time depending on what has focus. I prefer 'stateless' designs over state any time.
In Canada in a place called crowleys ridge I came upon a truck sized super conductor based stabilizer used to connect the wind farm at that location to the power grid.
Not exactly mass market but definitely an application of superconduction.
I think the really interesting point here is that a large part of the populace is more than willing to believe a spam with that headline. The only reason *I* would not believe it is because it lands in my mailbox from some address that I don't know, if it was reported on google news then I'd believe it in a heartbeat.
GWB has a negative credit rating here, he's already started one war on false premises, why disbelieve it if he starts another one ? Especially if it drives the price of oil up.
It's amazing the guy can get away with as much as he does without getting impeached, it raises the bar for impeachment to incredible heights.
Then you probably should have posted the original list or you should have given an explanation regarding the weird format up front, this one looks as if google got added in on purpose or at a later date, which you more or less confirm in your posting.
You seem to fail to address any of the points regarding the specific pieces of code I've raised in a concrete way (GFS + the indicated mods to the kernel, not the 'regular' fixes).
The reason I mentioned the licensing fees is because google deploys an enormous number of servers and that even a moderate fee would translate into a very large expense if you'd build it on a commercially available platform. Of course you could build it on any other freely available platform too, but there must have been some reason why Linux was chosen over those other platforms.
I don't think I used the word 'stolen' anywhere, that's simply a strawman.
the only good way to teach religion in school is to make sure people are educated to the point that they won't be sold a bill of goods. Teach them critical thinking and to detect lies.
It's my understanding (possibly wrongly so) that there is a special version of the linux kernel that google has created that has a large number of changes to improve scaleability and facilitates the managing of a large number of machines in a cluster. Those are the improvements that I meant. The existence of this kernel has been hinted at in several google publications. It is also my understanding tha these modifications have not been given back to the community.
As for GFS, that stands unchallenged.
Look at it this way, without the linux OS google essentially would be paying a fairly astronomical amount of money in licensing fees, the little bits that have been contributed back are not in relation to the amount of savings.
Also, to call the 13th place 'not too shabby', especially when there clearly was made an effort to include google in the 'study' (at the last spot, and where all the other lists run to 10), when Intel, Novell, IBM, Red Hat and Oracle, 'renesas technology' (whoever they are) are well above Google, and numbers 11 and 12 don't even rate a mention make it seem that a real effort was made to put google on that list somehow. If Google would have been at third or fourth place I'd have called that 'not too shabby', to be the last entry in a list manipulated to include google is different.
Google is the largest Linux driven presence on the net, the 1.4% contribution to the kernel bears no relation to that.
Google is literally built on linux, the competitive edge google has because of building on linux is imho not reflected in the contributions flowing back from google.
yes, but only when we decide it's either bad business (as in we just dropped it) or when it makes us look good. If it should in any way shape or form be a 'key' item (GFS, linux kernel improvements) then forget about it.
The Hitch Hikers Guide To the Galaxy by Douglas Adams. My son has been reading it back to front and front to back since age nine, the copy is so tattered that I'll probably have to get him a new one...
Orson Scott Card is just religion warmed over. He definitely started out great with Enders Game but the sequels are more and more used as vehicles for 'the message'.
A couple of threads up there is a small bit by someone whose dad murdered his mom, for all of those that still don't get it go and read that. It doesn't matter if Hans Reiser wrote code on par with the gods, the disconnect between him being an OSS contributor and a murderer at the same time may be very hard to swallow for some here but people are complex that way.
Just like some people can not do good in the eyes of the open source community some apparently can't do bad.
Whatever Nina's shortcomings (and I'm sure there are plenty) she did not deserve to die for them, and her and Hans' children did not deserve to be deprived of both parents.
From the various bits and pieces out there it seems that these people had serious issues but murder (and then all these attempts to cover it up) was not a solution, only more trouble.
I think one of the main reasons for that is that working on OSS is 'karma positive', in other words if you've done that you're probably a good guy/gal. To then imagine someone doing such nice things to turn around and murder their wife and hide the body is inconsistent with the positive karma.
sorry, but that's just plain false. Operating system wise Apple makes a good product, so does Sun microsystems, there's HP/UX, we've got open office and google docs in the 'office document processing' arena, and for both these groups there are countless others besides the ones listed.
Which 'product that is good value' is it that you are referring to ?
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don't blame the chinese for that, blame the short sightedness and the stock market instead. Nobody forced those American companies out of business, Americans did. Instead of going for quality they went for price, the rest, as they say, is history.
America used to be the industrial backbone of the world, but being market driven, marching in lockstep to the quarterly reports you've thrown your industrial capacity and your engineering talent under the bus of short term profits.
so, the 'free market' is not good enough when you lose your job but it's just fine when a bunch of canadians or mexicans lose theirs ? Where was the outrage over the beef and timber tarrifs ?
I've been seriously considering sticking linux on the mac just for that reason (the nice hardware) :)
Another (not so nice) reason is that it will freak out the occasional mac fan that visits...
of all the bullshit the factor of 40 really had me cringe, current solar cells are anywhere from 8 to 30% effective, even 40 * 8 is well over 100...
I'll be happy when there is a month going by without an announcement of some future improvement of solar cells but a proven and ready to ship announcement of say 5 ... 10% or so.
I have both mac os/x and linux here and I *far* prefer KDE (3) over os/x, I just can't seem to get used to the main menu switching all the time depending on what has focus. I prefer 'stateless' designs over state any time.
In Canada in a place called crowleys ridge I came upon a truck sized super conductor based stabilizer used to connect the wind farm at that location to the power grid.
Not exactly mass market but definitely an application of superconduction.
absolutely excellent observation, thanks!
I think the really interesting point here is that a large part of the populace is more than willing to believe a spam with that headline. The only reason *I* would not believe it is because it lands in my mailbox from some address that I don't know, if it was reported on google news then I'd believe it in a heartbeat.
GWB has a negative credit rating here, he's already started one war on false premises, why disbelieve it if he starts another one ? Especially if it drives the price of oil up.
It's amazing the guy can get away with as much as he does without getting impeached, it raises the bar for impeachment to incredible heights.
yes, but you make decisions based on available information, provided by that monitor.
Then you probably should have posted the original list or you should have given an explanation regarding the weird format up front, this one looks as if google got added in on purpose or at a later date, which you more or less confirm in your posting.
You seem to fail to address any of the points regarding the specific pieces of code I've raised in a concrete way (GFS + the indicated mods to the kernel, not the 'regular' fixes).
The reason I mentioned the licensing fees is because google deploys an enormous number of servers and that even a moderate fee would translate into a very large expense if you'd build it on a commercially available platform. Of course you could build it on any other freely available platform too, but there must have been some reason why Linux was chosen over those other platforms.
I don't think I used the word 'stolen' anywhere, that's simply a strawman.
you missed the 'profit' step...
the only good way to teach religion in school is to make sure people are educated to the point that they won't be sold a bill of goods. Teach them critical thinking and to detect lies.
hi Chris, thank you for answering,
It's my understanding (possibly wrongly so) that there is a special version of the linux kernel that google has created that has a large number of changes to improve scaleability and facilitates the managing of a large number of machines in a cluster. Those are the improvements that I meant. The existence of this kernel has been hinted at in several google publications. It is also my understanding tha these modifications have not been given back to the community.
As for GFS, that stands unchallenged.
Look at it this way, without the linux OS google essentially would be paying a fairly astronomical amount of money in licensing fees, the little bits that have been contributed back are not in relation to the amount of savings.
Also, to call the 13th place 'not too shabby', especially when there clearly was made an effort to include google in the 'study' (at the last spot, and where all the other lists run to 10), when Intel, Novell, IBM, Red Hat and Oracle, 'renesas technology' (whoever they are) are well above Google, and numbers 11 and 12 don't even rate a mention make it seem that a real effort was made to put google on that list somehow. If Google would have been at third or fourth place I'd have called that 'not too shabby', to be the last entry in a list manipulated to include google is different.
Google is the largest Linux driven presence on the net, the 1.4% contribution to the kernel bears no relation to that.
Google is literally built on linux, the competitive edge google has because of building on linux is imho not reflected in the contributions flowing back from google.
yes, but only when we decide it's either bad business (as in we just dropped it) or when it makes us look good. If it should in any way shape or form be a 'key' item (GFS, linux kernel improvements) then forget about it.
I think she's pretty smart too !
And I'm not biased, that's an amazing child you have there. Makes the prodigy composers of a few centuries ago a lot more believable.
The Hitch Hikers Guide To the Galaxy by Douglas Adams. My son has been reading it back to front and front to back since age nine, the copy is so tattered that I'll probably have to get him a new one...
Orson Scott Card is just religion warmed over. He definitely started out great with Enders Game but the sequels are more and more used as vehicles for 'the message'.
It's a real pity you did that as AC. Thanks.
A couple of threads up there is a small bit by someone whose dad murdered his mom, for all of those that still don't get it go and read that. It doesn't matter if Hans Reiser wrote code on par with the gods, the disconnect between him being an OSS contributor and a murderer at the same time may be very hard to swallow for some here but people are complex that way.
Just like some people can not do good in the eyes of the open source community some apparently can't do bad.
Whatever Nina's shortcomings (and I'm sure there are plenty) she did not deserve to die for them, and her and Hans' children did not deserve to be deprived of both parents.
From the various bits and pieces out there it seems that these people had serious issues but murder (and then all these attempts to cover it up) was not a solution, only more trouble.
somebody mod the parent up please...
I think one of the main reasons for that is that working on OSS is 'karma positive', in other words if you've done that you're probably a good guy/gal. To then imagine someone doing such nice things to turn around and murder their wife and hide the body is inconsistent with the positive karma.
talking to yourself ?
Ok, you owe me a new keyboard. This one has very sweet tea all over it.
Well, point of sale systems are not exactly my specialty so I'll concede that to you.
sorry, but that's just plain false. Operating system wise Apple makes a good product, so does Sun microsystems, there's HP/UX, we've got open office and google docs in the 'office document processing' arena, and for both these groups there are countless others besides the ones listed.
Which 'product that is good value' is it that you are referring to ?
Why would you have to switch ? The stuff you've got should continue to run just fine.
The upgrade treadmill would simply stop turning.
I think your suggestion that we are that dependent on a single company is a fantastic reason to get rid of it today.
clicked the bio link to see if she's hot and didn't bother to click the article ?