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Sci-Fi Books For Pre-Teens?

o2binbuzios writes "I have two pre-teen boys who are avid readers, and I am going through my mental catalog for great sci-fi & fantasy books for them. What are some of the classics (and maybe new additions to the classics) that would be great for them to read? I am asking because some of the 'straight-up' classics I remember actually seem kind of dark & cynical for younger readers. Starship Troopers and some of the other Heinlein are definitely darker and more political than I remember... Foundation Trilogy and psycho-history maybe too dry. Road-trip reading season is upon us — what are the good reads for the kids in the back seat?"

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  1. Try these by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd suggest you try Anne McCaffrery's "Decision at Doona" and James Blish's "Welcome to Mars."

    Both are great SF, both are aimed at younger readers, both are upbeat and greatly enjoyable to read.

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    1. Re:Try these by TheRedSeven · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anne McCaffery has some good ones, but they are generally dragon & space oriented. Pretty good reads, and there's quite a few in the series.

      Orson Scott Card has Ender's Game (and several more in that series). These are definately classic.

      A Wrinkle in Time by Madeline L'Engle, and the follow-ups are all very well written, though some of the deeper themes might be a bit above your kids depending on how sharp they are.

      CS Lewis' Space Trilogy is excellent, though it gets pretty violent, and might be a bit advanced for pre-teens.

      Terry Pratchett's books are funny, but they tend to spoof the politics and happenings of the US and the UK, so your kids might not grasp all the jokes. Much better would be Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and the (increasingly misnamed) Hitchhiker's Trilogy (there are five books there).

      If you like, you might even start them on JRR Tolkien, which is more fantasy than sci-fi, but definitely a classic. You also have the advantage of the movies once they're done with the books. (Books are better though.)

      Those are my picks, and that should be enough reading for at least this summer, if not longer. You can also walk into your local Borders and ask someone. There's tons of great kids books in Sci-Fi...

    2. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ender's Game has some elements which some pre-teens may find disturbing (animal torture) and the sequel has some graphic elements involving planting a tree. Plus, the message is a bit advanced for a pre-teen. I'm not sure most pre-teens would really grasp it.

    3. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd add Larry Niven's Ringworld series.

    4. Re:Try these by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      What about Ringworld. Hard scifi doesn't get a midgin hard and they're such fantastic reads you can blast through the trilogy+1 in a few days. A little graphic risasthra but whatever :)

    5. Re:Try these by Clockwork+Apple · · Score: 2, Informative

      Addams and Tolkien Great choices.

      But since the topic is scifi"&"fantasy I suggest the Christopher Stacheff Books in the Warlock series. It's about a space "secret agent" who is sent to a world where magic appears to be a real phenomenon. Witches, shapeshifters, robots and rayguns. Its great stuff.

      http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/christopher-stasheff/

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    6. Re:Try these by Famanoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anne McCaffrey is definitely on the top list, along with David Eddings.

    7. Re:Try these by herdingcats · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i can still tell you the exact time and place i picked up my first sci-fi read.

      i was thirteen, in junior high school, and it was Heinlein's "The Star Beast". that was decades ago.

      been hooked ever since. don't always have time for it, but always come back to it.

      don't live in the parent's basement or fit any other definitions of hardcore nerd- or geek-dom, but picking up that first sci-fi book (and i subsequently read _all_ of heinlein, hebert, asimov, campbell, pournelle, niven and the rest) definitely started me on a path to looking at the world with different eyes.

      the guys that write sci-fi (especially in the "golden age") are/were genuine pioneers of thought. fuck disney; they're the _real_ imagineers.

      i can't recommend more highly turning your kids on to a "thinking out of the box" genre like sci-fi.

      as to which first? don't know; times change, but you see where i started, for better or worse.

      hell, i'm just glad someone wants their kids to actually read.

    8. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can not believe that the great John Brunner hasn't been mentioned.

      Any work by him will captivate the reader.

      Oh, and when done with them, "The Jesus Incident"

    9. Re:Try these by mrbluze · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Why not Douglas Adams' novels? I read those when I was 10 - pretty harmless except I had nightmares of electric monks for a week once.

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    10. Re:Try these by mrbluze · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      erm.. I saw you mentioned him already, about 20 milliseconds after I clicked submit. oops

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    11. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've read all the posts I can see rated 4+ here, and nobody has yet recommended the Norby Chronicles by Asimov? That was my first Sci-fi read, and it got me hooked. I agree with most of the rest of your recommendations, but though I read CS Lewis' space trilogy too I can't stomach it now...

    12. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is a nice list of science-fiction stories on this LiveJournal blog.

    13. Re:Try these by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Anne McCaffrey is definitely on the top list, along with David Eddings.

      Wow, both of those authors are pretty bad. Though I admit I liked Eddings when I was a child. Can't stand his stuff now though.

    14. Re:Try these by fumblebruschi · · Score: 1

      Bridge of Birds by Barry Hughart. A brilliant, wonderful book. Don't bother with the sequels though.

    15. Re:Try these by Schemat1c · · Score: 1

      A great list and I would like to add one the almost no one has read:

      The Spaceship Under the Apple Tree - Louis Slobodkin

      This is the book that started me on sci-fi when I was around 7, unfortunately it is out of print and very hard to find but it's an excellent science fiction yarn for children.

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    16. Re:Try these by GryMor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Heinlein's juveniles aren't dark.

      Niven's stuff may work, depending on your definition of dark.

      I can't think of any of Frank Herbert's work that isn't dark (or at least twisted) though the Jorj X McKie ones may just be a bit odd (I Arthur C Clark's work? Certainly some classics, although, a bit slow in places.

      And a random smattering of alternate suggestions:
      Greg Bear
      Peter F Hamilton
      David Weber
      Louis McMaster Bujold
      David Brin

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    17. Re:Try these by szyzyg · · Score: 1

      Ringworld, and a lot of other 'classic' sci-fi is full of poorly written sex scenes, so not really perfect for pre-teens.

    18. Re:Try these by Famanoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, your taste doesn't match mine! What a thought!

    19. Re:Try these by fireboy1919 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Terry Pratchett's books are funny, but they tend to spoof the politics and happenings of the US and the UK, so your kids might not grasp all the jokes.

      You're just thinking of the Discworld, which isn't even Sci-Fi. Then there's the Diggers and the Johnny Maxwell trilogy, both of which are actually Sci-Fi series written for children. Kids should be able to get those jokes. They have lessons in them, too. It's a complete package. Pratchett also happens to be an amazing writer. His command of language, plotlines, and character development are a wonder to behold. People have written doctorate theses examining the art that is Terry Pratchett's work. So he's definitely a good choice.

      Anne McCaffery has some good ones

      You're reading them as an adult, and you're glossing over things. Her novels are definitely PG-13, or possible R rated. She makes sex and death an everyday part of her novels, and not the Judy Bloom way. Characters are mating with/killing other characters, and she's describing how it makes them feel, which makes it much more real than seeing random redshirt die in Star Trek, or Kirk sleep with the green chick.

      CS Lewis' Space Trilogy is excellent, though it gets pretty violent, and might be a bit advanced for pre-teens.

      Definitely. The language is too complex for most. It's also highly Christian. As in, the protagonist is a Christian fighting the forces of Satan with the aid of angels. And this isn't all symbolic/easy to overlook like it is with the Chronicles of Narnia. So if you're hostile to Christianity, don't have them read it. If, however, you're not, it's a really good read. One of the first sci-fi novels written where you actually end up getting to know what the characters are *feeling*.

      Which is a problem with the early works of the genre as a whole (i.e., pre-1960 or so). Start with people who actually write well to get them hooked on reading. Sadly, quite a few of the classics - Heinlein, Asimov, Bradbury, Wells - are terrible writers. They have excellent ideas from the broad "wouldn't this make a good story?" sense, but their command of language, plot development, and characters aren't as vivid as many of their counterparts of the times they wrote. That was just the way that sci-fi was. Most important of these is the characters. The timid reader has to become attached to them early on in the story so that he'll keep reading.

      Later, once they're voracious readers, they can take on the guys who have great ideas but don't write well. They won't need to constantly be fed the writing equivalent of high definition to want to "view" it.

      And for that reason, I definitely like the parent. These writers he has chosen are really good at writing to grab the readers and hold their attention.

      Bearing that in mind, I have two more authors to add:

      David Eddings - he's known for his endearing characters. Unfortunately, I don't think he's ever strayed from writing fantasy. The important poitn is that you can basically start with "you liked Harry Potter? Why don't you read this..." IMHO, going from Harry Potter books to David Eddings is a fairly natural progression. Once you've absorbed those, you're pretty well prepared to move into heavier stuff.

      Alan Dean Foster - writes, among other things, the "Pip and Flinx" novels. While he's not the greatest writer in the world, Flinx is a young boy at the start, and very well developed as a character. Young readers will identify with the feelings and attitudes that Flinx goes through as he transitions into someone remarkable.

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    20. Re:Try these by DataPath · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why not Douglas Adams' novels? I read those when I was 10 - pretty^H^H^H^H^H^H^H mostly harmless

      There. Fixed it for you.

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    21. Re:Try these by willib · · Score: 4, Informative

      H Beam Piper The Fuzzy series are great books Most can be found on the gutenburg project

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    22. Re:Try these by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      If they don't have the attention span for pure text, there's always Calvin and Hobbes, Doonesbury, 9 Chickweed Lane(for the ladies), Outland/Bloom County, etc.

      They're entertaining, easily followable crash courses into philosophy, politics, and extensive vocabulary.

    23. Re:Try these by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

      Heh. I am in complete agreement. I read the "Belgariad" when I was in junior high, loved them, and when I found out there was a second series being made, jumped at the chance to read them. They were a horrible slog, and when I revisited the Belgariad, I discovered that it was a less horrible slog, but also sloglike.

      Oddly, though, I always hated McCaffrey, though my opinion of her writing is probably colored by the fact that I ran a MOO based on the Pern books for several years.

    24. Re:Try these by PakProtector · · Score: 2, Funny

      All sex scenes are poorly written by definition.

      Of course, I'm taking this on faith, as you will have to, since, the two of us being slashdotters, have never had sex with anyone.

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    25. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anne McCaffrey's Crystal Singer series I enjoyed
      Also the SF collections (Year's Best SF 13 - and all the previous ones)

    26. Re:Try these by kriyasurfer · · Score: 1

      I had a whole long list ... and then the browser switched pages. Bah.

      So I'm pointing out one series:

      Rick Cook's Wiz Biz (Wizard's Bane, Wizardry Compiled), Wiz Biz 2 (Wizardry Cursed, Wizardry Consulted), and Wizardry Quested.

      A Cupertino hacker got summoned to a parallel world where magic works. People expected great things of him but he is totally inept at the magic. He eventually figures out that he can peice components together just like calling a subroutine, and have something else perform the spell (this tool being called Emacs and manifests itself as a gnome). Beautiful woman is saved, much rejoicing ... and then he goes out and does it again. Much adventuring.

      Some others off the top of my head: David Weber's Honor Harringon; Dave Weber and John Ringo's March Upcountry / March to the Sea / March to the Stars / We Few; Larry Niven's Destiny's Road; Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosaigan series (starting with The Vor Game); Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game (maybe not Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind), Ender's Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, Shadow of the Giant ... Heinlein's Have Space Suit, Will Travel, Space Cadet, Rolling Stones, Citizen of the Galaxy.

      Oh. And the Foundation and I, Robot series sucks. And yes, I did read them.

    27. Re:Try these by scottrocket · · Score: 1

      Pre-teen? Try The Proteus Operation . It's not too heavy on the violence, & they might learn something about "history" (in this novel, history is negotiable).

    28. Re:Try these by miskate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Terry Pratchett's work spoofs politics in general - corruption, bureaucracy, the foibles of human beings in general, power, corporations, monarchy, religion, racism, crime, insurance, technology, death ... I think they're a great way to get young people thinking about the broader issues of the world.

      You really don't have to know what (if any) specific events are being referred to to get the jokes. That said (and here's a nod to the person who mentioned the Maskerade/Phantom of the Opera connection) I think I enjoyed the first two Granny Weatherwax books all the more for recognising them as Macbeth and A Midsummer Nights Dream (and yes, obviously the third one is Cinderella).

    29. Re:Try these by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      I was always a big fan of Pamela F. Service and William Sleator. Lesser known names, sure, but still excellent reads. Robert Silverberg had some really really good sci-fi aimed at a younger audience as well. And of course there's always John Christopher's Tripod series. Can't forget Bruce Coville, if you feel like a bit of silliness is in order.

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    30. Re:Try these by iocat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      All the books by British author John Christopher are really great. The Tripod series, and the Burning Lands series are both post-post-apolyptic and blew my mind when I read then around age 12 or 13. Nerds of a certain age may remember that the Tripod series was serialized in comic form in Boys Life for years in the 1980s.

      The burning lands series has some great elements of questions about science and technology whether or not its use is ultimately good or evil -- good food for thought for youngersters raised in the Internet age, and also is sex-scene free.

      Additionally, if you read some books you now think are too old for your kids, maybe you should consider that those books were too old for YOU, and you turned out fine! I cringe when my son reads MAD, but it was probably just as nihlistic and subversive in the 1970s as it is today.

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    31. Re:Try these by Tebriel · · Score: 1

      I love the Belgariad and Mallorean in the same way I love some of the old cartoons I watched as a kid. They're fun, fluff, and though nothing really in the way of mature literature, but it's not the worst way to spend an afternoon.

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    32. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I strongly agree with Madeline L'Engle, one of the best writiers in the world. She doesn't treat children as fools, instead introducing them to complex concepts and helping them to understand them. Definitely a favorite.

    33. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll second the recommendation for the Wrinkle in Time trilogy, which were some of my favorites as a lad. There are deeper themes but I think they are presented in a way that easily resonates with younger readers.

    34. Re:Try these by Swampash · · Score: 1

      Orson Scott Card has Ender's Game (and several more in that series). These are definately classic.

      I have a young son, and I'd rather torture him with a cattleprod than let him read that shit.

    35. Re:Try these by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Though I would argue that dark isn't bad.
      Kids thrive on dark; fairytales, ghost stories... though maybe I wouldn't give them Martin. Especially if they tend to bond with characters they grow to like.

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    36. Re:Try these by richrag · · Score: 1

      John Varley's "Red Thunder", "Red Lightning" and "Rolling Thunder" would be good candidates though the last one rolls in more sex than some parents might want their pre-teens exposed to (of course they already know it all but wouldn't want to shock the folks). They are reminiscent of Heinlein's juveniles. Of course, you want to radicalize them with Cory Doctorow's "Little Brother". Finally, on the fantasy side, the "Keys to the Kingdom" series by Garth Nix is a nice bit of creative plays with ideas and kids as heroes. Six of the seven books in the "Keys" series are now published.

    37. Re:Try these by ac666 · · Score: 1

      Fantastic, and one of my all-time favourites. But not for (most) pre-teens. Entirely too bloody, plus no shortage of sex-scenes (at least, they're not graphic ones)

    38. Re:Try these by stackdump · · Score: 1

      I agree the Ender's game series was the first thing to pop into my head.

    39. Re:Try these by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      the guys that write sci-fi (especially in the "golden age") are/were genuine pioneers of thought.

      Ray Bradbury has to be there somewhere. He, Arthur C. Clarke and John Wyndham would be my picks.

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    40. Re:Try these by callmetheraven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey, Pak Protector! How about the book Protector? (Larry Niven, of course, for those who didn't know.) Other good books by Niven: (besides Ringworld) Tales of Known Space, Neutron Star, World of Ptavvs.

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    41. Re:Try these by callmetheraven · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Could never understand the fuss over Card/Ender. Weak books.

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    42. Re:Try these by callmetheraven · · Score: 1

      Clarke's got some great stuff: Imperial Earth, Glide Path, The City and the Stars, Childhood's End, The Songs of Distant Earth.

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    43. Re:Try these by binpajama · · Score: 0

      Excellent list. I will add the old masters - Verne, Wells and Conan Doyle to the list. While the science they worked with tends to be obsolete now, some of the sociological themes they picked up on seem to still be relevant.

    44. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I started reading the Dragonriders of Pern in 5th grade. I was peripherally aware that people were mating, but I kind of glazed over it. I loved the entire world of Pern.

      Start with Dragonsong, Dragonsinger and Dragondrums. They are focused on younger characters who are at school.

      Aura Mae

    45. Re:Try these by dreamer-of-rules · · Score: 1

      I _loved_ "Decision at Doona" as a young kid, and still read it from time to time (nostalga). Good themes, and generally upbeat.

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    46. Re:Try these by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Though I would argue that dark isn't bad."

      So true. And I'm not so sure that the OP's original statement about Starship Troopers being "political" is on the money either. Or rather, it is, but getting kids to think about those kinds of things is important. As is introducing them to concepts like duty and honor and responsibility.

      Add a firm dash of irreverence and the importance of questioning authority, and they'll be good to go.

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    47. Re:Try these by GryMor · · Score: 1

      I like dark. I was purely basing my commentary on the expressed desires of the OP. For all I know, the kid gets nightmares easily. I honestly don't know why OP doesn't want dark, but no reason not to humor them.

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    48. Re:Try these by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      At that age I liked Tolkien, Madeline L'Engle, CS Lewis, Terry Brooks, Orson Scott Card, Douglas Adams, Susan Cooper (The Dark is Rising), Lloyd Alexander (Prydain & Westmark), John Fitzgerald (Great Brain), the Tom Swift series, etc. I wouldn't assume they won't like a little more dark and mature book either as I read just about every scifi/fantasy book I could get my hands on. I also loved things like the Hardy Boys and the Three Investigators.

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    49. Re:Try these by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      Protector still sorta has a sex scene or too in it, although I read it when I was 11 or so.

      I'd honestly recommend something like Have Spacesuit Will Travel or Podkayne of Mars.

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    50. Re:Try these by Kokuyo · · Score: 2

      Tolkien? She was asking for great works, dude... and great writing, Tolkien's books definitely aren't. Boring, flat and uninspired are rather more fitting terms to describe the Lord of the Rings. Even most badly written Harry Potter fanfictions offer more suspense and character development than this.

      Why in the world do people always mention LotR? I don't get it. A classic it may be, a lot of great inspirations it may hold, but good writing clearly is different.

    51. Re:Try these by TornCityVenz · · Score: 1

      In these summer seasons even the most avid readers will find themselves distracted by many things. you might consider some collections of short stories... I can't honestly remeber the titles of any of the books / stories I read when I was a preteen but I do remember cutting my teeth so to speak on poeple I had heard were "classics" Ray bradbury comeing to mind. There's an awefull lot of decent Star Wars universe books out there now which are fun reading if they enjoyed star wars. I seem to recall having read a lot of doctor who books as well, mostly from the older (per tom baker) doctors that I was'nt able to see here in the states.

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    52. Re:Try these by Noodlenose · · Score: 1

      I would suggest Heinlein's 'Have spacesuit, will travel'. Funny and definitely made for kids.

    53. Re:Try these by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 1

      Additionally, if you read some books you now think are too old for your kids, maybe you should consider that those books were too old for YOU, and you turned out fine! I cringe when my son reads MAD, but it was probably just as nihlistic and subversive in the 1970s as it is today.

      I agree with that - and your kid doesn't have to get all the subtle political and philosophical layers to enjoy good stories about spaceships and robots.

    54. Re:Try these by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      I'd think starting off with the 3 Tiffany books (Wee Free Men, a Hat full of a sky, Wintersmith) would make for an excellent introduction to Pratchett.

      Only downside might be that since these were written relatively late in his career they'll put the bar too high to properly enjoy some of the earlier books, especially considering how the characters have evolved over time.

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    55. Re:Try these by try_anything · · Score: 1

      I can not believe that the great John Brunner hasn't been mentioned.

      I remember enjoying The Sheep Look Up when I was a kid, though I don't remember what it was about besides pollution.

      I liked Stand on Zanzibar, too, though it was a tough slog, and the rewards were not that great given how much work I put into it. I got more out of it as an adult. Stand on Zanzibar would be perfect for an older kid (or adult, of course) who is interested in recent US history, because the most fascinating thing about it is how it reflects how people in the Sixties saw the world and its future development.

    56. Re:Try these by c0p0n · · Score: 1

      My pick for kiddos is Lucky Starr.

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    57. Re:Try these by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

      Anne McCaffery has some good ones

      You're reading them as an adult, and you're glossing over things. Her novels are definitely PG-13, or possible R rated. She makes sex and death an everyday part of her novels, and not the Judy Bloom way. Characters are mating with/killing other characters, and she's describing how it makes them feel, which makes it much more real than seeing random redshirt die in Star Trek, or Kirk sleep with the green chick.

      I read Anne McCaffery's pern books when I was 9-10, and loved it (especially the harper hall trilogy), and suffered no long lasting consequences. If I read them now, as an adult, as you say, I find them a bit naive, except for the ones I am very fond of since childhood (out of nostalgia value).

      Which is a problem with the early works of the genre as a whole (i.e., pre-1960 or so). Start with people who actually write well to get them hooked on reading. Sadly, quite a few of the classics - Heinlein, Asimov, Bradbury, Wells - are terrible writers. They have excellent ideas from the broad "wouldn't this make a good story?" sense, but their command of language, plot development, and characters aren't as vivid as many of their counterparts of the times they wrote. That was just the way that sci-fi was. Most important of these is the characters. The timid reader has to become attached to them early on in the story so that he'll keep reading.

      Later, once they're voracious readers, they can take on the guys who have great ideas but don't write well.

      I won't argue that asimov was not much of a writer (technically speaking), especially in his early works. Bradbury on the other hand I will vouch for. But anyhow none of this rant matches my experience. I was reading the old, hard sci-fi mostly before my tenth birthday, and enjoyed Asimov's short stories/novellas (nightfall anyone?) as well as the martian chronicles a lot too.

      Please, please please, if you want to think of the children, don't underestimate them.

    58. Re:Try these by gailwynand · · Score: 1

      I started with Have Spacesuit Will Travel - I was in the third or fourth grade. It made me want to be an engineer.

      I have the same experience with the books as o2binbuzios - the books are darker and more political than I remember. I have the same experience in re-reading Dickens. I think they are still appropriate for pre-teens, though (the Heinlein juveniles). The reason you have a different reaction to them now is that you are a different person. The social commentary of Citizen of the Galaxy was well over my head when I first read it, but I understood what it was like to try to fit in among people you don't understand. Have Spacesuit taught me to protect people that are weaker than me and to make my life what I want it to be.

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    59. Re:Try these by somersault · · Score: 1

      Collections of Isaac Asimov short stories are great for kids, and usually quite thought provoking too :) For example The Bicentennial Man (made into a movie in the last decade) started as an Asimov short story, which he expanded into a novel length story IIRC.

      The Hobbit is also a great book for kids - as well as adults I'm sure. I personally plan on reading it again soon even though I was about 9 when I last read it. I was finished in a day or 2 even though I had school as well, so unfortunately it must be quite short.

      LOTR was extremely boring to me and I never finished it - I got close to the end of the second book and then just never went back to reading it for some reason. Probably because I was used to the much faster pace of the Riftwar Saga (which has a fair amount of sex in it so I wouldn't recommend it for young kids) and DiscWorld. If your kids are used to faster paced stuff like Harry Potter, Narnia or any other children's classics then perhaps they'd find LOTR a bit heavy going.

      The DiscWorld books, by Terry Pratchett are great. Full of all kinds of humour from slapstick to subtle word play. Also the occasional bit of innuendo but nothing too bad (and the frequency of such jokes decreased after the first few books IMO, either that or I just became desensetised to them of course).

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    60. Re:Try these by Dekortage · · Score: 1

      CS Lewis' Space Trilogy is excellent, though it gets pretty violent, and might be a bit advanced for pre-teens.

      It also gets a bit mystical, and is much darker and harder to read than Lewis's Narnia series. That Hideous Strength in particular.

      In a completely different vein, I'd also suggest William Gibson's books, particularly Neuromancer.

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    61. Re:Try these by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      Orson Scott Card is just religion warmed over. He definitely started out great with Enders Game but the sequels are more and more used as vehicles for 'the message'.

    62. Re:Try these by GeffDE · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Animal torture is disturbing; I would hope that the OP's kids find it disturbing. There are a lot of disturbing things in the world, and so in order to maintain sanity, one has to learn how to deal with unpleasant things that come up in daily existence. I would argue that reading about disturbing things before having to actually experience them is beneficial because it forces the reader to confront and deal with disturbing images/ideas/etc., but while the reader is in a safe place.

      I also think that underestimating kids is deleterious to their existence; if you aren't sure they would grasp it, have them read it and talk about it. Even if they still don't grasp it totally now, when they reread it, they will grasp it and marvel about how their perception of the book has changed.

      O2binbuzios: So in the same vein, I think you should suggest to your kids the same books you read when you were their age. If you, like me, read Starship Troopers at their age, suggest it to them. The reason you don't remember it being as dark and as political is because you didn't recognize the dark and political parts when you read it as a child; your kids probably won't either.

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    63. Re:Try these by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Funny

      Definitely. The language is too complex for most. It's also highly Christian. As in, the protagonist is a Christian fighting the forces of Satan with the aid of angels.

      Nothing wrong with reading CS Lewis provided you go on to read Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials for balance (protagonist fighting the forces of God and the church with the aid of witches and fallen angels...)

      PS: Beware - do not place His Dark Materials on the shelf next to Narnia or the Space trilogy - they will annihilate each other in a burst of dark matter.

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    64. Re:Try these by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 1

      Madeline L'Engle

      This was an awesome book back when I first read it as a pre-teen myself, it seems rather tame now though....Any kid that's watched a decent amount of anything like the TNG-onwards Star Trek series or Stargate probably won't find the premise quite as fantastic as it seemed 15 years ago though.

      Orson Scott Card

      Have to echo a few of the other posters and say that the Ender's Game books are probably a bit much for pre-teens...All depends on the individual kid though. Personally, I didn't read the first one till I was 20 or so, though that was more because I just hadn't known it was out there.

      Susan Cooper (The Dark is Rising)

      Quite good...I found the whole "struggle against ancient evil" to be quite a good read when I found these during grade school, though maybe that's because i'm also a fan of the story formula in most JRPGs, or vice-versa :):P

      the Tom Swift series

      I agree these were pretty good also - I had (almost) the entire Tom Swift Jr. series passed on from my dad's childhood, and I enjoyed them quite a bit during my pre-teen years.

    65. Re:Try these by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      Personally, though at this point I've read hundreds of thousands of pages, I still can't stand Bradbury. I've read stuff written by 10th graders that's better. He's one of the worst writers I've ever read. I can't get through more than a chapter of a Bradbury story before I want to put it down. It's like reading the phone book.

      The only one of those who I actually like to read regularly is Heinlein. I don't really read Asimov either, but that's because his books seem so soulless, which is more of a personal thing.

      I was reading the old, hard sci-fi mostly before my tenth birthday

      You are fortunate that you were able to move past that, and didn't get turned off to reading right then. I read the entire short story section of the library near where I lived by then, and most of the young adult novels. That covers 1001 Arabian nights, all the greek myths, and a lot of the works of a lot of authors. By ten I was reading 150 or so pages a week.

      Please, please please, if you want to think of the children, don't underestimate them.

      This isn't about underestimating. You don't get someone excited about Rock 'n Roll by having them listen to a 30 year-old vinyl album of the Monkeys playing in concert, and you don't get someone interested in Sci-Fi by showing them authors who can't write. In either case, the fidelity and quality of work just isn't there.

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    66. Re:Try these by JWW · · Score: 1

      I think Ender's Game is fine for pre-teens (had my son read it). I do agree that Speaker for the Dead, however, is a more "grown up" book. Instead of having my son read that I had him read the Ender's Shadow book which is a great retelling of the story from Bean's point of view.

    67. Re:Try these by KludgeGrrl · · Score: 1

      Ditto on Christopher Alexander -- I read him when I was around ten and just adored him. He writes well and his themes and ideas are thought-provoking. I still remember how blown away I was by the ending of the Burning Lands trilogy (I didn't know authors could do that to a reader!)

    68. Re:Try these by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

      Please, please please, if you want to think of the children, don't underestimate them.

      This isn't about underestimating. You don't get someone excited about Rock 'n Roll by having them listen to a 30 year-old vinyl album of the Monkeys playing in concert, and you don't get someone interested in Sci-Fi by showing them authors who can't write. In either case, the fidelity and quality of work just isn't there.

      My comment on not underestimating children was mostly about you saying the Anne McCaffrey books have too much sex and death to be for children. Personally I consider most of the Pern books children/young teen books.

    69. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha... David Eddings... he's a guy who writes relatively well, but tells only one story. Read one of his series and you have read them all.

    70. Re:Try these by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      Oh, well that's true. I read 'em when I was 12. But some parents are protective of their children, and some children aren't ready for that stuff...and there are *some* of those books that are probably written for young adults. But you can't really be sure until you've read them.

      PG-13 is called that for a reason. It doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of 8 year olds who can't handle it. :)

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    71. Re:Try these by logistic · · Score: 1

      In no particular order.

      E E "Doc" Smith - Lensman series ( have been reissued no so long ago so you should be able to find them). They're fun and it's a lengthy series.

      C.M. Kornbluth and Fredrick Pohl The Space Merchants,& The Merchants war. Wrote a nice series about if advertising agencies ruled the world. In many ways more timely now than when they were written. Kornbluth has fun short stories along this line about inbreeding and consumerist societies...

      A lot of Harry Harrison Novels would likely fit the bill too (I'm mostly thinking of the Stainless Steele rat. )
      The Earthsea Trilogy (and the fourth book written much later) recomendation by others here is right on.

      A lot of folks mention Enders Game which doesn't sound like what the OP is looking for despite being quite good.....Card's Alvin Maker series probably is and is great fun. The Call of Earth books would be appropriate too, but they are not very good.

      While foundation trilogy may not be what the OP is looking for at that age I thought Caves of Steel, Robots of Dawn, and I Robot were awesome!

      I'll second the Frank Herbert recommendations but you can go farther afield than Dune to stuff like the Dosadi experiment too.

      Tom Swift series - basically Sci Fi Hardy boys. Neither dark nor political but honestly kinda dull.

      At the risk of going off topic non Sci-fi thats great at this age is The Hornblower Series.

    72. Re:Try these by Kheldarstl · · Score: 1

      I agree with Ender's Game - Excellent read, Some SF Recommendations...

                    Journey to the Center of the Earth - Even after 100+ years a great book which I read at age 9. Decently paced, and one of the foundations of much of the SF written today.

                    The Time Machine - relatively short, interesting, and thought provoking, Precursor to one of the best TV Shows out there - Doctor Who.

                    Dune - Well written, kinda long, but worth the effort.

      On the Fantasy front....

                    The Belgariad/Mallorean - By David Eddings, one of my favorites, I discovered Eddings shortly after discovering Tolkein and have reread these books several times, Bonus point is that there are 12 books in the series, It helped me to keep focus when I was first reading them at age 13, and provided reading material for a long time.

                      The Riftwar Saga - by Raymod Feist - The first trilogy - Magician, Silverthorn and A Darkness at Sethanon were easy to relate to as a teenager due to the protagonists being teenagers and being forced to overcome many trials and tribbulations throughout the course of the trilogy.

                      The Mithgar series - By Dennis McKiernan - Tolkienesque, Early books are fairly short and easy reads, lots of action, and humour to keep it intersting, Books have a central theme which carries all of the way through the trilogy but isn't explicitly stated unti lthe last book.

                    and Finally - The Dragonlance novels - By Margaret Weis and Tracey Hickman - Excellent - Action Packed, Good Vs. Evil - Some shades of gray, younger characters to relate to.

      Hope these provide a decent smattering for you, Several of the trilogies I mentioned are also available in an omnibus with all or most of the indovidual books bound together.

    73. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll try not to be a parrot and simply recommend the books I enjoyed most as a preteen/teen:

      - Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman
      The death gate cycle (dragon wing, etc.), dragonlance chronicles trilogy (dragons of autumn twilight, etc.), dragonlance legends trilogy (time of the twins, etc.).

      This duo tells a great story, but they often don't know how to wrap a series up in good fashion. Nonetheless, these are among the best fantasy books I have ever read.

      - Robert Jordan
      Wheel of Time etc. obv obv obv.

      I started reading these in my early teens and it is simply matchless.

      - David Eddings
      The Belgariad and the Mallorean, and the Elenium and the Tamuli.

      Very entertaining books with well-developed and likable characters. Kinda sappy, but in a good way.

      - Piers Anthony
      A Spell for Chameleon, Night Mare, Ogre Ogre, Crewel Lye, Golem in the Gears, and Man from Mundania from the Xanth series.

      I'd definitely cherry pick Xanth as it simply sprawling, but there are moments of sheer beauty in many of them, mostly in the previous short list.

    74. Re:Try these by DarkSarin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually there is a LOT of truth to this.

      As an aspiring writer, and someone who tends to read a lot about writing, and reads a LOT (the last of which hardly makes me unique in this crowd, but there you go), lets just say that sex scenes are, by definition poorly written, and the MORE graphic they are, the poorer the writing. They may function perfectly for providing pornographic imagery but as literature they stink. I find that if an author wants to include a sex scene, the BEST ones are those that are minimalistic, initiate the romance, and leave it alone. Let the reader imagine the details, if they so choose.

      There are a number of reasons for this. First is that this means that there is less question of age-appropriateness (and yes you can still handle the same themes of love, compassion, romance, etc within a work while remaining very minimalistic in this regard). Second, ALL sex-scenes can a break from the book. If they are sufficiently erotic that they actually elicit a reaction from the reader, then they may actually be jolted from the story (this is bad). Third, sex scenes don't generally advance the story. In most cases the actual description of the sex is inconsequential to the story, and is therefore filler. This is bad in many ways. On the other hand in the rare cases in which the actual sex scene is crucial to the story, I have no problems with its inclusion, but that is an exceptionally rare situation, and almost always a contrivance.

      With all that said, as a writer, sometimes a scenario just suggests itself as necessary, and you have to include it. In these cases, I have no problems with it.

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    75. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What, you didn't blow up frogs when you were a kid? You never bothered to find out the gruesome effects of salt on slugs? Never pulled the legs from insects? You make a poor excuse for a geek, sir!

      As a kid, I did some things that would make me puke today. But children are often not at all bothered by such things. Mostly just interested.

      You have to develop a taste first, for things to become distasteful.

    76. Re:Try these by pdh11 · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with reading CS Lewis provided you go on to read Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials for balance

      Narnia : Pullman : Bromeliad :: thesis : antithesis : synthesis

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    77. Re:Try these by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

      We are having a civilized conversation here... but this is slashdot! Please someone start a flame war!

    78. Re:Try these by Vornzog · · Score: 1

      Easier answer - pick books that are an easy read and a fun introduction into the genre that you are trying to get your kids interested in.

      My dad read The Hobbit to my sister and I when I was in ~3rd grade, then started into some David Eddings. By half way through the first book, we were moving too slow, so I stole the book and tore through the rest of the series. Once I started, there was no looking back - I went on to read everything I could get my hands on. Sci-fi, fantasy, mysteries, classics - whatever. All I needed was a starting point.

      My wife, who grew up in a house where the TV was a family activity, never thought she liked reading, until I started reading some of those books to her in the evenings. It's become one of our favorite ways to spend time together. We've read Tolkien, Eddings, the Harry Potter series, and Narnia so far. We're doing A Wrinkle in Time right now, and I'm thinking we might try Dune next. In addition, she's now started to read quite a bit more on her own - some literary classics, some sci-fi, but all stuff she picked out herself. Most of it, I've never read. All she needed was a starting point.

      To get someone started, pick something that has a good story and dive it. Show them that reading can be an extremely enjoyable activity. Provide a little direction toward a couple of books at the right reading level, then sit back, and smile and nod knowingly when they start telling you how great one of your favorite books is, or how they've discovered this great new series...

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    79. Re:Try these by DMStewart · · Score: 1

      Bujold is excellent, as is Weber. Others that might be good beginning reads for budding SF readers are: John Ringo's Posleen series (though it is a bit violent and has some strong language), Asimov's Robot novels (The Caves of Steel, The Naked Sun, The Robots of Dawn, and Robots and Empire) or Empire novels (Pebble in the Sky and The Currents of Space). The Caves of Steel is an excellent introduction to SF for those who already like mysteries. Clarke is good, but stick to the 2001 series or the short stories. Rama is a bit ... weird for early teenagers. Heinlein, while excellent, is also better for mid-teens or up. Not because of the sexual content, mind you, but because the political and social commentary is probably a bit over their heads. Another excellent starter is Fallen Angels by Niven, Pournelle and Flynn.

    80. Re:Try these by brasscount · · Score: 1

      I literally grew up with Garion. Read the first one at 10, and every year or so after that another one. Definitely a good read, and the character grows with the child. Raymond Feist and the Magician: Apprentice and Master books are great, after that it went downhill a little, but also good for pre-teens. Both are fantasy, but great for younger readers. On the sci-fi front, while not classic, or even that good now that I look back on them, Alan Dean Foster's Flinx books were fun when I was ten. Start with For Love of Mother Not, and go from there. Lastly, don't forget the non sci-fi / fantasy, Encyclopedia Brown was my perennial favorite. Child Sherlock Holmes. Very good reads for kids.

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    81. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dialectics: boring.

      I'm talking about both the original and the kind with extra economics.

      Posting anon so I don't waste my used mod points.

    82. Re:Try these by Kazin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was going to recommend William Sleator as well, I grew up on his stories. Especially "The Interstellar Pig" :)

    83. Re:Try these by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      I cringe when my son reads MAD, but it was probably just as nihlistic and subversive in the 1970s as it is today.

      I bought a copy of Mad for my son a couple months ago, and it was awful - as in pitiful and unfunny. Maybe I'm just remembering it more fondly than it deserves, but I still think it was better when Don Martin was around and Al Jaffee did more than just the fold-in.

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    84. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can not go wrong with Rama series by Arthur C. Clarke. The first is one of my favorite reads.

    85. Re:Try these by JohnsonWax · · Score: 1

      You're reading them as an adult, and you're glossing over things. Her novels are definitely PG-13, or possible R rated. She makes sex and death an everyday part of her novels, and not the Judy Bloom way. Characters are mating with/killing other characters, and she's describing how it makes them feel, which makes it much more real than seeing random redshirt die in Star Trek, or Kirk sleep with the green chick.

      Keep in mind that books on the Holocaust are becoming standard reading in 4th grade. My son read two Holocaust books and one from a boy whose family were in a Japanese internment camp in WWII. They're definitely getting exposed to the darker side of human nature, injustices, politics, and so on.

      I think a little sex and violence is fine at this age provided that they do indeed explore the emotions behind those activities. It's the emotional connections and thought patterns behind activities that kids needs to be exposed to in order to understand what's going on around them.

      Always read the book first, of course, and every parent has a different take on this, but if your kid is in any way worldly then I don't think there's much benefit sheltering them from these topics when they are presented well.

    86. Re:Try these by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Sleator has some good stuff, I remember inhaling his books when I was younger. He writes the whole gamut, from off-beat stories like Fingers and Strange Attractors, to classics like like Interstellar Pig, The Boy Who Reversed Himself or The House Of Stairs. I recommend all of the above.

      However, you might want to save The House of Stairs for last, because it's one of his darkest works.

      Another suggestion: try Heinlien. Before Starship Troopers, he wrote books for teens. I actually read Tunnel In The Sky about the same time I was reading Interstellar Pig (6th grade), they were about equal in terms of accessability. Have Spacesuit Will Travel is also an excellent book, not all that dark.

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    87. Re:Try these by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

      I'm sure someone else in this thread may have already mentioned this one, but since I haven't read the entire discussion, I will recommend Alexei Panshin's first novel "Rite of Passage." Fantastic story about a pre-teen that doesn't talk down to the reader. Almost a tribute to Heinlein's juveniles, but written in such a way that both adults and young readers can enjoy it. I read it in college and it still holds up today.

      Cory Doctorow's new novel "Little Brother" is also written for this audience, and is available online at http://craphound.com/littlebrother. I haven't read the full book yet, but heard him do a reading recently and this one could be just what your children would enjoy. My own son read Doctorow's first novel, "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom" when he was sixteen, and became an instant fan.

      You are a great parent. Years from now, your smart kids will thank you for encouraging them to read mind-expanding books.

    88. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anne McCaffery has some good ones...

      I believe she did when she was younger, but they must be kind of saggy now.

    89. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think Bradbury isn't a good writer, then you should read Dandelion Wine. The language and the lyricism in that book is some of the most beautiful I've come across.

    90. Re:Try these by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Add a firm dash of irreverence and the importance of questioning authority, and they'll be good to go.

      Puberty'll handle that all on its own.
      No parental effort required.

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    91. Re:Try these by ozbon · · Score: 1

      [Tangent] Tripods was also a TV series in the UK in late 70s/early 80s[/Tangent]

      On a related note, you could also try some of the John Wyndham stuff - Chocky, Day of the Triffids etc., which might be a bit dated now, but are still good reads. (Related due to TV series of them at the same time as Tripods)

      One that hasn't been mentioned is Jane Yolen - she did a bundle of dragon-based fantasy stuff which was pretty good (admittedly, that's based on me reading it twenty years ago) and Margaret Mahy did some excellent novels for the pre-teen/teen market.

      A lot of the Ursula K LeGuin stuff - particularly the Earthsea novels - might be worth a go, along with Susan Cooper's "Dark Is Rising" sequence, and Alan Garner's novels (sorry, can't recall the name of the big series of his ones)

      And would William Gibson's NeuroMancer trilogy be in the right age-zone? There's very little sex/violence, as I recall, but they make for damn good reads. Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash is possibly a bit too old for them, but is worth remembering - again, it's more story than sex/violence, but there's more of it than in the other recommendations.

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    92. Re:Try these by mshaver · · Score: 1

      Arthur C. Clark "Tales from the White Hart", "Rendezvous With Rama"
      Isaac Asimov "I Robot"
      Ursula K. Le Guin "Worlds of Exile and Illusion: Three Complete Novels of the Hainish Series in One Volume--Rocannon's World; Planet of Exile; City of Illusions"

    93. Re:Try these by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Flowers for Algernon - Daniel Keys
      Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter Miller

    94. Re:Try these by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      Narnia : Pullman : Bromeliad :: thesis : antithesis : synthesis

      Peter

      Harrumph. Any more of this nonsense and Prices Slashed will come for you!

      Actually, Pratchett has a much better potshot at religion in Small Gods, with less vitriol than Pullman and arguably better insight (people end up believing in the human institutions of religion instead of the gods they are supposed to represent - and those institutions can be far nastier than the gods!)

      The Bromeliad is probably better for kids, though.

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    95. Re:Try these by djnrrd · · Score: 1

      I'd have to agree with the Tripods series of books, perfect coming of age storytelling mixed up with some subtle post apocalyptic stuff. Plus if you get the kids into it now they'll be well cool before the upcoming movie (hope they don't ruin that)

    96. Re:Try these by mdfst13 · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure that the OP's original statement about Starship Troopers being "political" is on the money either. Or rather, it is, but getting kids to think about those kinds of things is important.

      For pre-teens? These are elementary school kids. Start them on the Heinlein juveniles. If they take to them, they can find Starship Troopers and Stranger in a Strange Land on their own later, maybe when they are in the fifteen to seventeen range. Starship Troopers makes perfect sense as a high school (for the precocious) or college book to accompany classes on civics. It's not nearly as much sense in elementary school. Starship Troopers needs to be read with a grain of salt; it's about asking questions and thinking about how to answer them (e.g. does it make sense to limit the vote to people who finish a stint of government service or does the disenfranchising effects on non-voters outweigh the advantages).

    97. Re:Try these by bvonr · · Score: 1

      Issac Asimov had a great series called Lucky Star (6 books) that were great as a young teen growing up in the 50's and 60's and as said previously Heinlein and Herbert. C.S.Lewis The Chronilces Of Narnia is one of the best Fantsy books for kids. Also Piers Anthony's Myth series.

    98. Re:Try these by wasmoke · · Score: 1

      UR SO GHEY I H8 SCI FI

    99. Re:Try these by GuyWithLag · · Score: 1

      John Varley also has written recently some fiction for juveniles (Red Lighning/Red Thunder), and it's very Heinleinesque.

    100. Re:Try these by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Anne McCaffery has some good ones, but they are generally dragon & space oriented. Pretty good reads, and there's quite a few in the series.

      The "Ship ..." series has some really interesting long-term themes of discrimination, ability and disability, 'what is it to be human'. In the long run, I suspect that they'll be the ones by which McCaffrey is remembered. "Dragon ... XX(Gay)X" is a good enough series, but it could really have benefited from being about half the size. Some people might consider the gay undertones a bit much for pre-teens. Perhaps not the parents (or pre-teens) in question, but loaning one of the books to a schoolfriend who's parents are gay-burners could make for some unpleasant scenes. Educational for the kids, but possibly upsetting too. Or amusing, depends on their personality.

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    101. Re:Try these by Pandarsson · · Score: 1

      I was going to suggest A Wrinkle in Time. I read that one as a kid and was fascinated by the idea of a tesseract. Also at the time, I enjoyed several Star Trek related novels (various authors). Maybe not really science fiction, but often a fun read. As long as I'm mentioning non-science fiction, I always suggest, young and old, Watership Down by Richard Adams. A beautifully detailed plot from the point of view of nonhuman characters, I have never heard a science fiction lover say they didn't enjoy it.

    102. Re:Try these by Cruise_WD · · Score: 1

      You've just recommended everything I was going to :P

      "The Dark is Rising" series is excellent fantasy for younger readers, and while I've not read as many of Alex Garner's stuff, what I did read I enjoyed.

      I credit John Wyndham with getting me hooked on sci-fi. I've loved every book of his I've ever got my hands on.

      Earthsea is also a good choice because of the style used - it feels very gentle and friendly.

      I wouldn't recommend Neuromancer - I found it depressing and bleak, and the actions of the protaganist are not the sort of behaviour I'd want recommended to any child of mine.

      To add something original, can I recommend "The Spiral Series" by Michael Scott Rohan? Followed, naturally, by his "Winter of the World" series (the original trilogy at least). Possibly a little darker and mature than the other recommendations, but anybody whose age is in double-digits should be able to cope with the content with no problem.

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    103. Re:Try these by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      the sequel has some graphic elements involving planting a tree

      WTF?

      I haven't read it so I have no idea what you mean, but I'm intrigued.

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    104. Re:Try these by ozbon · · Score: 1

      I can't say much when it comes to "too dark" or "too bloody" - part of my formative reading at about that age was the Icelandic sagas (Njal's saga etc.) which are some of the more bloodthirsty books around.

      I also loved the "Prince with the Silver Hand" trio by Michael Moorcock - at the time I didn't know anything about his greater story curve with Elric of Melnibone etc., but the Prince Corum novels were also bloodthirsty enough to be mistaken for Icelandic sagas...

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    105. Re:Try these by NickDB · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed, didn't expect The Stainless Steel Rat to show up. Got a collection of Sci-Fi short stories as a kid and the extract of the first Stainless Steel Rat, that it had, now has me buying every one I come across 20 years later, and seriously got me into the genre.

      Although to be honest, it's not up there with Clarke, and Asimov. But since this is for Pre-teen boys doesn't really matter.

    106. Re:Try these by philosopher3000 · · Score: 1

      Enders game and Enders Shadow - Classic Strategy Try H.G. Wells - Time Machine and Everything Also old Amazing Science Fiction Mag. Also Library Hugo Award Anthologies Short Stories by Isaac Asimov "The Last Question" http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html "The Last Answer" Robert A. Heinlein - Farmer in the Sky (Stranger in a Strange Land)

    107. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was a but a wee lad, I quite enjoyed the Planet Builders series.
      This site has them all

    108. Re:Try these by lhuiz · · Score: 1

      Planting trees can be quite bloody, it turns out. Then later it turns out things are not quite what they seem.

      Seriously though: get reading! This is good stuff. Just bear in mind that it was written by an active Mormon. The translation into Dutch is by a Jesuit monk, BTW. How funny is that?

  2. Enders Game by jhittner · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ender's Game or just about anything from Orson Scott Card

    1. Re:Enders Game by Eric+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He wanted stuff that is not "dark and cynical". That pretty much rules out _Enders Game_.

    2. Re:Enders Game by Robert1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wouldn't say ANYTHING by him. Ender's Game is obvious, but his early sequels to it were too preachy, dull, and moved away from a preteen protagonist. His later sequels/retellings?, however, are great - the Ender's Shadow series.

    3. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Ender's Game ...

      Cripes, what's with people's fascination with this book? It's a great little short story badly padded out to book length. Well, more accurately, it's a mediocre short story about the belief-beggaring "tragedy" of turning babies into warriors with a great short story about the training and trials of a natural leader buried underneath it. Seriously, 7 to 11 year old children are not physically or mentally capable of the things Card has them doing, no matter what training regimen you put them through. It ruins a perfectly interesting military science fiction story in order to fulfill a stupid and unnecessary melodramatic point. Add 10 years on to all the kids' ages and the eyerolling quotient would have been reduced dramatically.

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    4. Re:Enders Game by chillax137 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd stay away from most of Card's work. As someone else mentioned, the early ender sequels were very preachy. The Ender's Shadow series is definitely some good stuff (except you may notice some prejudice creep into the most recently released ones). His other books have not-so-subtle Mormon overtones that turn an otherwise decent book into a terrible one.

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    5. Re:Enders Game by Larryish · · Score: 0

      7 to 11 year old children are not physically or mentally capable of the things Card has them doing, no matter what training regimen you put them through.

      Kids keep getting smarter. When I was 4 years old, preschool consisted of fingerpainting and coloring, maybe a little bit of ABC and number recognition.

      My recently-5-year-old finished preschool in May, during which she learned to recognize and write over 2 dozen words (colors, numbers, shapes) as well as basic addition and subtraction.

      In the near-distant future (200 years? 300 years?) how much further along will kids be? Algebra in primary school?

      Don't sell kids short. Unless you have kids of your own, you really don't have enough material with which to reference an evaluation.

    6. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A recently 5 year old would have been in Kindergarten when you were a kid, which is where you learn to recognize words, etc. Kids aren't getting smarter, everyone is just putting their kids in school later. I started Kindergarten at 4, my daughter won't be starting until she's 5 and a half.

    7. Re:Enders Game by Broken+scope · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except in the universe presented there had been concerted effort to make smarter and smarter children who would be intelligent at younger and younger ages.

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    8. Re:Enders Game by Larryish · · Score: 0

      No, she turned 5 in late May, shortly before the end of school.

    9. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      When I was 4 years old, preschool consisted of fingerpainting and coloring, maybe a little bit of ABC and number recognition.

      I only have three real memories of when I was in preschool (I'm going to say I was 5, then k,1-12 and college and... yeah 5) about 25 years ago.

      I remember learning to count to 100 (and realizing that once you got there you could keep going by basically starting over again) and learning to do simple addition using these nifty colored plastic squares (in little bite-sized pieces, then bars of 10 squares, then plates of 100).

      I remember one day the teacher had this felt board with various shapes that stuck to it. One day she set it up with a thermometer and a little felt sun at the top and a snowman at the bottom. She pointed at the board and asked me to spell it, so I spelled out the word "thermometer", and was promptly laughed at because she wanted me to spell "sun".

      Finally I remember sitting around one day gluing pieces of construction paper together and being grossed out by two of the other kids sitting there eating their paste.

    10. Re:Enders Game by Verteiron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heinlein's "Have Spacesuit Will Travel". I first read that when I was nine, and it was the first "real" sci-fi I read (L'Engle's stuff doesn't really count as sci-fi). It's not dark, it's not cynical, it's nicely anti-authoritarian and tons of fun. After that I read Dune. Quite a shift.

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    11. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't agree more, by some luck, I went straight from ender's game to ender's shadow and its sequels, all of which I though were excellent. When I later went back to read the sequels to ender's game, I couldn't believe how overtly religious the plot became.

      I suffered through it until I reached the point where the Lusitanians argue about the Descolada viruses right to live, at which point I couldn't take it any more, and stopped reading.

      More to the point, Ender's shadow and its sequels were good, but I thought Ender's Game was the only must-read of the series.

    12. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Except in the universe presented there had been concerted effort to make smarter and smarter children who would be intelligent at younger and younger ages.

      Which is what's ridiculous. Physical maturity and adult-level intelligence aren't independent of one another. Childrens' brains are simply not physically developed enough to do the things Card has them doing. If they had found a way in that universe to make them smarter, they also would be physically more mature.

      To top it off, he handwaves away the reality of physical maturity too. There one specific passage where 11 year old Ender finds himself developing muscles from all the combat training--- 11 year olds can't develop musculature without showing other signs of physical maturity first! It's just an absurdly long reach he's making in order to fulfill a really lame "think of the children" point. The worst part is that this point is totally superfluous to the real meat of the story, and could have been better made. The tragedy of wasting a young man's life putting him through that rigorous military training his entire young life is actually a greater tragedy if it's 10 years longer and he's a 21 year old mentally destroyed leading the fleets to victory. An 11 year old could plausibly recover.

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    13. Re:Enders Game by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I think Dune is definitely something that should wait till you're a bit older.

    14. Re:Enders Game by szyzyg · · Score: 1

      Kids learn what interests them, my 3 year old daughter can sing her way through some of the tracks in rock band and shows our guests how easy the drums and guitar are.

      She also DJ's.... with ye olde vinyl... and got featured in 'Mixmag' when she was 2 years old.

      Of course I think she's smart, but of course I'm biased.

      Then again, that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

    15. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you saying? There was nothing dark and cynical about Ender's Game. He went through all that training, and in the end, he beat the computer game. A happy ending, right?

    16. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Kids keep getting smarter.

      No they don't. They just push them harder.

      When I was 4 years old, preschool consisted of fingerpainting and coloring, maybe a little bit of ABC and number recognition. My recently-5-year-old finished preschool in May, during which she learned to recognize and write over 2 dozen words (colors, numbers, shapes) as well as basic addition and subtraction.

      None of that is surprising. You were not pushed as quickly. 5 years old is about where kids learn to read. That can be pushed back up to about a year for most kids, but no amount of anything is going to result in a 2 year old that can read. Kids aren't changing.

      In the near-distant future (200 years? 300 years?) how much further along will kids be? Algebra in primary school?

      Kids already learn algebra in private primary schools. Again, you can shift the age a little with aggressive teaching regimens, but we'll never see 7 year olds learning advanced combat tactics.

      Don't sell kids short. Unless you have kids of your own, you really don't have enough material with which to reference an evaluation.

      Now you're just being silly. Even if I didn't have any children (I have one), that wouldn't disqualify me to speak on the subject of juvenile education.

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    17. Re:Enders Game by Hassman · · Score: 1

      Agreed... OSC has trouble finishing a series. Great novels that would have rocked as a singleton, but when stretched into a series dragged on... and on... and on...

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    18. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anything by R.A. Salvatore is great. I loved the Drizzt Do Urden series by him. In fact, I own almost the entire series...

    19. Re:Enders Game by crazyjimmy · · Score: 1

      Heinlein's "Have Spacesuit Will Travel". I first read that when I was nine, and it was the first "real" sci-fi I read (L'Engle's stuff doesn't really count as sci-fi). It's not dark, it's not cynical, it's nicely anti-authoritarian and tons of fun.

      I would gleefully second Heinlein's 'Have Space Suit Will Travel'. I read that a bunch as a kid. Also, 'Puppet Masters' is pretty tame, as are his short story collections.

      After that I read the Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison (in Jr. High), and transitioned from there to Zelazny.

      --Jimmy

    20. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just an absurdly long reach he's making in order to fulfill a really lame "think of the children" point. The worst part is that this point is totally superfluous to the real meat of the story, and could have been better made. The tragedy of wasting a young man's life putting him through that rigorous military training his entire young life is actually a greater tragedy if it's 10 years longer and he's a 21 year old mentally destroyed leading the fleets to victory. An 11 year old could plausibly recover.

      Hmmm. Do you really think Ender's Game is actually about Ender..?

    21. Re:Enders Game by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I consider Ender's Game to be by far his weakest book in that universe. Then again, I'm very fond of the rather "preachy" (as you put it) style of book, I consider the philosophical aspects as making it far more engaging. Certainly it's not something you can issue a blanket recommendation against, the OP's kids may enjoy that style of writing.

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    22. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Re:Enders Game (Score:1, Troll)

      Ender's Game ...

      Cripes, what's with people's fascination with this book? It's a great little short story badly padded out to book length.

      See? Offer a valid logic-based criticism of Ender's Game, and get modded "Troll". Why is Ender's Game such a sacred cow among nerds? Seriously, the short story was decent even with the age silliness, and the book was an interesting enough expansion on the combat tactics and space battle strategy aspects, despite the tedious, superfluous flummery with his siblings' hoo-hawing in irrelevant politics and the tiresome "dream game" thing with Ender--- this stuff's all the more obvious as filler if you've read the short story.

      So really, what is it? Why are so many nerds intolerant of criticism of what is only a fair-to-middling book?

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    23. Re:Enders Game by 644bd346996 · · Score: 1

      So you attribute the Flynn effect to... agressive parenting? Sure, evolution isn't having any effect on that small of a scale, but I wouldn't say that gains from things like improved nutrition (including maternal nutrition), better access to teaching materials, and parents that have more time to spend with their kids count as pushing kids to learn faster.

      Your claim that young kids can't learn about tactics is rather silly. For starters, Ender's Game didn't portray most of the 7 year olds as having a good grasp on combat tactics. The 7 year old students were grunt soldiers that moved in formations (albeit in 3 dimensions). And the abilities shown for the 12 year old leaders were completely realistic. I've worked with a lot of 12 year old Boy Scouts that seemed close to being good enough to be Battle School leaders. If anything, Orson Scott Card underestimated what a well-trained 12 year old could do. I'd guess the abilities of a normal Battle School leader are only about 2 standard deviations above average for kids raised in a suburban middle class setting, but Battle School was described as way more selective than that.

    24. Re:Enders Game by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Ummm.... why? Yeah, it's a bit over the head of your average 9 or 10 year old, but it gives them something to reach for. If you give kids something they're not old enough for, they tend to either get bored and come back to it at an older age (me with "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy") or get totally absorbed in it -- as long as you don't tell them it's too advanced for them.

      A little kid will read Dune and, yes, just see a hero-story set on a desert planet. But it's a book they'll get more and more from every year.

    25. Re:Enders Game by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      None of that is surprising. You were not pushed as quickly. 5 years old is about where kids learn to read. That can be pushed back up to about a year for most kids, but no amount of anything is going to result in a 2 year old that can read. Kids aren't changing.

      I was a two-year-old who could read.

      I got my first library card at three and a half, and I still remember the first books I borrowed.

      And BTW, I wasn't pushed at all. It's just that whenever I pointed at a letter or a digit, my parents would tell me what exactly it was.
      Granted, Croatian is a language with pretty much phonological spelling, so it was rather easy to jump from letters to words, but still.

      Kids already learn algebra in private primary schools. Again, you can shift the age a little with aggressive teaching regimens, but we'll never see 7 year olds learning advanced combat tactics.

      I would not dare play strategy games against the kids of today.
      I was never much of a gamer, so it would kind of suck to get my ass handed to me by a primary school kid.

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    26. Re:Enders Game by BigDaddyNyth · · Score: 0

      Dune is a good book to read and reread at various times and points in your life. I read it at a young age and got a totally different experience reading it again 12+ years later.

    27. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Do you really think Ender's Game is actually about Ender..?

      Well yes, it basically is. If you disregard the pointless idiotic side-plot about Peter and Valentine ruling the world by publishing anonymously online (scoff), pretty much every page is about the Life of Ender.

      Why, do you think the book is secretly entirely about Maezer Rackham and all that stuff about Ender is thrown in as a clever ruse to throw us off? Or are you going to spin off into some tired discussion of how this symbolizes Man's Inhumanity to Man, and that symbolizes the perseverance of the human soul? Sure, battle school is essentially Lord of the Flies In Space , but the fact that the "camera" is always on Ender or someone who's talking about Ender is a pretty solid clue the book is about Ender and the terrible things "society" does to him.

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    28. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      So you attribute the Flynn effect to... agressive parenting? Sure, evolution isn't having any effect on that small of a scale, but I wouldn't say that gains from things like improved nutrition (including maternal nutrition), better access to teaching materials, and parents that have more time to spend with their kids count as pushing kids to learn faster.

      No, I'm saying that the Flynn Effect isn't going to lead to a majority of 2 year olds with a grasp of calculus, for example. Nutrition and better educational resources don't make kids read earlier, they simply facilitate it.

      Your claim that young kids can't learn about tactics is rather silly. For starters, Ender's Game didn't portray most of the 7 year olds as having a good grasp on combat tactics. The 7 year old students were grunt soldiers that moved in formations (albeit in 3 dimensions). And the abilities shown for the 12 year old leaders were completely realistic. I've worked with a lot of 12 year old Boy Scouts that seemed close to being good enough to be Battle School leaders. If anything, Orson Scott Card underestimated what a well-trained 12 year old could do.

      I'm not talking so much about the things the characters did, but rather how the instructors marvelled and wowwed over Ender's greatness. The actual tactics used in the book were pretty transparent and not really even slightly innovative. Card shows a pretty piss-poor grasp of what truly innovative tactics are.

      I'd guess the abilities of a normal Battle School leader are only about 2 standard deviations above average for kids raised in a suburban middle class setting, but Battle School was described as way more selective than that.

      Well yeah, that's the weakness of Card's writing. You have to gauge the supposed "greatness" of Ender, Bean, et al by the reactions of the adult staff to their performance, not the "learned it the first week of Army training" level of sophistication their tactics actually illustrated.

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    29. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      I was a two-year-old who could read.

      I knew my failure to repeat the context was going to bite me in the ass. We're talking about "kids getting smarter" in general, not the 7-sigma cases holding down the ends of the bell curve.

      I would not dare play strategy games against the kids of today. I was never much of a gamer, so it would kind of suck to get my ass handed to me by a primary school kid.

      Sounds like not so much an issue of "kids of today", but rather one of "I am not a strategy gamer". You'd likely have had your ass handed to you by a kid of 30 years ago too. Kids today haven't evolved some magic "strategy gene".

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    30. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I think I've found the answer to my own question within the reviews on Amazon.com:

      "The reason for the book's popularity is clear: it panders to a very common personality flaw among young, intellectual males: a belief in one's own intellectual superiority, the notion that one is rejected simply because one is so much "smarter" than others of the same age."

      Man, if that doesn't perfectly nail the average Slashdot nerd, what does?

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    31. Re:Enders Game by rumith · · Score: 1

      Vernor Vinge, then? I find 'A deepness in the sky' absolutely amazing, and while it contains a healthy portion of politics and cynism (lots of those, actually), it's geeky and well written enough to be exciting and not depressing to pre-teens at the same time.

    32. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids today haven't evolved some magic "strategy gene".

      Korea. Starcraft.
      Need I say more?

    33. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this. The Icewind Dale Trilogy is great for younger readers.

    34. Re:Enders Game by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      The Hitch Hikers Guide To the Galaxy by Douglas Adams. My son has been reading it back to front and front to back since age nine, the copy is so tattered that I'll probably have to get him a new one...

    35. Re:Enders Game by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      I think she's pretty smart too !

      And I'm not biased, that's an amazing child you have there. Makes the prodigy composers of a few centuries ago a lot more believable.

    36. Re:Enders Game by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      The reason for your vehement criticism is also clear: it displays a very common personality flaw among intellectual males, a belief in one's own intellectual superiority...

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    37. Re:Enders Game by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      11 year olds can't develop musculature without showing other signs of physical maturity first!

      What, 11 year olds don't have muscles? How do they move, then?

      Or do you think that children's muscles don't develop from exercise? Of course they do.

      Children have musculature. That musculature develops in response to exercise. What's your point?

      I teach martial arts to kids. In over two decades of training I've met two or three kids who, given a mental and physical training program (quite likely involving hormone treatments of some sort) starting at birth, I could see as Battle School fodder.

      The ages of the characters in Ender's Game stretch the suspension of disbelief, but do not break it. Certainly less so than the buggers or the DR device.

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    38. Re:Enders Game by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      Kids keep getting smarter.

      Pigmaei gigantum humeris impositi plusquam ipsi gigantes vident

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    39. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Korea. Starcraft. Need I say more?

      Get a clue. The "strategy" found in Real Time Strategy games is vanishingly small. RTS's are an exercise in who can select sets fastest, not strategy.

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    40. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The reason for your vehement criticism is also clear: it displays a very common personality flaw among intellectual males, a belief in one's own intellectual superiority...

      Actually, the reason for my criticism is that I didn't particularly like the book. The fact that I believe in my own superiority is not relevant.

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    41. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hold on there, as good as "Ender's Game" is, "Speaker For the Dead" is a far superior book.

      That said, I haven't read past that one, and I've been told I shouldn't.

    42. Re:Enders Game by yukk · · Score: 1

      Seconded. I read Dune at 10 and enjoyed it. That was as far as I got though. I hated the second book and never continued on. I re-read Dune 20 years later and again, I enjoyed it though it seemed shorter and a lot simpler. I wouldn't discount giving books like Dune to kids that age. There's nothing there a pre-teen who enjoys reading can't work through. Give kids some credit. If you don't let them tackle some things that they may find hard, how will they grow ? I'm sure nobody on /. wants their kid to grow up to be a gamma !

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    43. Re:Enders Game by nomadic · · Score: 1

      It's not an issue of difficulty, it's an issue of disturbing scenes and adult elements in it.

    44. Re:Enders Game by qeveren · · Score: 1

      I honestly found Deepness to be a little too bleak for my tastes, and I love Vinge's stuff; but that's just me. I'd rather suggest A Fire Upon The Deep, or the Realtime series.

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    45. Re:Enders Game by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Sounds like not so much an issue of "kids of today", but rather one of "I am not a strategy gamer". You'd likely have had your ass handed to you by a kid of 30 years ago too. Kids today haven't evolved some magic "strategy gene".

      Of course they haven't.
      But their immersion in those games makes them better strategists than me.

      A large part of it is nurture, though I do hear from some psychologists that the average IQ is rising, so they have to recalibrate their tests every once in a while.

      The child's brain is designed to absorb and process vast quantities of information. Some of it, like morality, cannot be processed at a very young age because of underdeveloped cognitive facilities in certain areas. In others, though, they are extremely malleable.

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    46. Re:Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to have not evolved some magic "humor gene" that everyone else has. I'm sorry, perhaps you might like to try a new life in an off-world colony? You must have a painful existence here on earth.

    47. Re:Enders Game by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1
      I found the HHGttG to be very dark and cynical, but in a surprisingly light and amusing way.

      I agree that it would be a good choice for young readers.

      Eric

      "I want you to imagine that I have an extremely powerful Kill-O-Zap blaster pistol in my hand."

    48. Re:Enders Game by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1
      I second this. I first read it in the 4th grade, and then again in Middle School and High School. One of the greatest books ever written.

      There isn't much else in the way of Sci-Fi that I would recommend. Most of the other books I had around that age were basic programming books. ^_^

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    49. Re:Enders Game by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Disturbing scenes? Which disturbing scenes? And unless I've forgotten a whole lot of the book, they don't exactly have graphic sex.

  3. Jules Verne by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I was a kid, I had a lot of fun time reading Journey to the Center of the Earth, from the Earth to the Moon, etc.

    1. Re:Jules Verne by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      agreed!

      I'm less than a month past my 24th birthday and have just started getting into Jules Verne. He's not just for kids - its great literature and you can learn a lot. Verne was waaaay ahead of his time with some of the things he discusses.

      For instance, he proposes hydrogen fuel cells (using electricity to separate the hydrogen and the oxygen) as an alternative to coal (which he predicts to run out in 250-300 years) in "The Mysterious Island," which is sort of the sequel to 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

    2. Re:Jules Verne by SputnikPanic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At first I was going to suggest The Martian Chronicles, Fahrenheit 451, and the Foundation series -- you know, the classics. Then I got to thinking a bit and the sad thing is that I'm not sure the kids today would appreciate those works as much as we did when we were their age. If they were to read those when they're slightly older or maybe even as adults, then maybe they might appreciate them more. But now? Probably not so much. I mean, we're talking about a generation that's grown up on a style of television and film different from that that we grew up with. Today, a camera angle rarely holds for more than 10 seconds before it cuts to another angle.

      All this to say that I think your recommendation of the Verne novels is pretty spot on. There's more plot and more stuff happens in those Verne novels -- which are indeed great -- than in the works of Bradbury and Asimov which tend to be more contemplative and intellectual.

    3. Re:Jules Verne by OrangeTide · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Foundation is pretty brutal to get through. I think 2001 would be far better as long as you don't bother reading the inferior sequels.

      I think Asimov, Heinlein, Bradbury, Card, etc can be good for those kids (late pre-teens) who can manage to read junk like Harry Potter without having to run around acting it out. But I am aware of few pre-teens that can manage such restraint.

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    4. Re:Jules Verne by lazyDog86 · · Score: 1

      Me, I'm a sucker for short stories, The Illustrated Man needs to be on the list.

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    5. Re:Jules Verne by iroll · · Score: 1

      Dude, are you kidding about the Martian Chronicles? Those are EXACTLY the kind of fluffy, fast-paced things that a 12 year old would like. Really, how many pages does John Carter go WITHOUT cutting somebody's head off? Each book is only about 150 pages, of which 100 are devoted to merciless slaughter, in great detail. I mean, if film had been around when Burroughs was writing, he would have invented the "bullet time" matrix effect for his stories--it's the way they're told.

      I agree with your take on Foundation and Bradbury, but Burroughs is all about fast-paced action. I mean, if I had to come up with a metaphor end for "Foundation is to John Carter what..." I'd have to end with "NOVA is to The Fast and the Furious."

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    6. Re:Jules Verne by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > There's more plot and more stuff happens in those Verne novels..

      Well if it's fast plotting grab the first few of the Edgar Rice Burroughs Martian books. Written as serials they tend to jump from one cliffhanger to another. While I enjoyed em, they did had a high cheese quotient when I read em a generation ago, not sure they would pass the smell test today. The later sequels should be passed over at any rate.

      And the Heinlein juvi novels should be on anyone's short list. Starship Troopers and Moon is a Harsh Mistress should probably be held back until the mid teens at the earliest. Some of his later stuff is R rated at best.

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    7. Re:Jules Verne by nomadic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dude, are you kidding about the Martian Chronicles? Those are EXACTLY the kind of fluffy, fast-paced things that a 12 year old would like. Really, how many pages does John Carter go WITHOUT cutting somebody's head off? Each book is only about 150 pages, of which 100 are devoted to merciless slaughter, in great detail. I mean, if film had been around when Burroughs was writing, he would have invented the "bullet time" matrix effect for his stories--it's the way they're told.

      Wrong Martian Chronicles. Bradbury's work was philosophical, allegorical, and in many ways surreal, and while I don't have trouble reading it I've found that even as an adult (with some graduate training in literary theory) it takes some effort to appreciate the nuances. Not a work for kids, though I think his Fahrenheit 451 should be required reading for someone who's just finding out about real literature.

    8. Re:Jules Verne by GradiusCVK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, you keep shoveling horse manure at your kids and they will grow up with a taste for horse manure. Why are you all so quick to discount your kids? Do you honestly consider them to be "not good enough" to enjoy tasteful books? How about not trying to lower the level of entertainment to what you perceive as their standards, but elevate it to what is likely well within their reach. As a young child I had a major hardon for "contemplative and intellectual" books, and I'm only 23 now, and not an outlier for my generation. Due to your own pre-screening of their entertainment, your children will grow up to be exactly as superficial and attention-deficient as you expect them to be.

    9. Re:Jules Verne by roguenine19 · · Score: 1

      I think you do modern kids a disservice by thinking that they aren't up to the task of understanding Asimov or Bradbury. True, they might not grasp all the nuances, but I doubt you did when you were ten, either.

      I'm several years older than the kids mentioned in the summary, but I'm still young enough to be part of the generation raised on video games and MTV. I ate up everything sf I could find at that age and would have loved to have known about the golden age sf writers then. Plus, we're not exactly talking about James Joyce here. Most of the stuff that's been mentioned here isn't too hard to get through.

      Don't lower your expectations of your kids; they might surprise you.

    10. Re:Jules Verne by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      I think all of these "I don't think the kids can handle it" is selling them short. I'm sure that the adults of our childhood thought the same about a lot of us. If you think it's a classic and worth reading, give it to them and let them decide. Keep the others as back-up plans. The worst thing we can do is to dumb our kids down by dumbing down the knowledge we give them.

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    11. Re:Jules Verne by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't lower your expectations of your kids; they might surprise you....

      You could do what we did. A very prominent wall in our living room is solid-packed bookshelf of several hundred fantasy and SF novels. I told each of our daughters that they were absolutely forbidden to read any of them.

      Naturally, they were soon sneaking novels off the shelf and reading them in their room, and I suspect they've gone through at least 3/4 of the library by now.

      There was absolutely no filtering other than that it reflects our taste in the genera. They're both Straight-A students (one in university now) and their conversation is consistently astute and challenging and full of fresh ideas, and they're both full of smiles and bounce. Mind you this could also because they told us to pull the plug on free-to-air/cable TV several years ago, so that source of brain Lanacaine was removed.

      So to follow the thread, we have the full Pratchett at eye level, Asimov at the top left and Zelazny at the bottom right. The Heinlein juveniles were popular as were the Eddings Belgariad/Malloreon series.

      Let 'em read it all; good minds will do the filtering themselves, and do a better job of it than second hand criticism.

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    12. Re:Jules Verne by netsavior · · Score: 1

      At first I was going to suggest The Martian Chronicles, Fahrenheit 451, and the Foundation series -- you know, the classics. Then I got to thinking a bit and the sad thing is that I'm not sure the kids today would appreciate those works as much as we did when we were their age. If they were to read those when they're slightly older or maybe even as adults, then maybe they might appreciate them more. But now? Probably not so much. I mean, we're talking about a generation that's grown up on a style of television and film different from that that we grew up with. Today, a camera angle rarely holds for more than 10 seconds before it cuts to another angle.

      I think statements like this don't give kids enough credit. Who is more to blame, the television producers, or the parents that assume their children are broken due to a widely held but never proven stereotype that children somehow lose the ability to be intellectual with each subsequent generation.

    13. Re:Jules Verne by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      That's funny. I was running through Foundation novels at ages 10-12.

      Kids can get through pretty much any book as long as you give them a reason to do so. Use some psychology.

    14. Re:Jules Verne by iroll · · Score: 1

      AH! Well, I stand by E.R. Burrough's Martian Adventures then. If it wasn't so late, I'd try a direct reply to OP to suggest them. They were probably one of my favorite series when I was about 12-14, at about the same time that I was reading Piers Anthony and a lot of other pulp sci-fi. Funny that I was reading century-old books at the same time as contemporaries. I definitely didn't appreciate Asimov or Bradbury (never read his Martian Chronicals, but I have a few others) until I was in my late teens, early 20s.

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    15. Re:Jules Verne by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      Amen! Let them read it all, don't spoon feed. My folks did not have a lot of books, especially SF, around, but I did have a library card. I found the wonders of the SF section and pretty much read from end to end. Did not have anybody to recommend or criticize except myself. My small-town library back in the 50s had mainly Wells, Verne, and Edgar Rice Burroughs (now there's a real trip for you!), and a fair amount of Heinlein. As an older person now, I love most anything by Orson Scott Card (despite his religion and politics) -- his Songmaster is possibly my favorite novel of all time. (After "The Novel" by Michener)

    16. Re:Jules Verne by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Ah yeah!, Jules Verne was a good starting for me too. When I was like 7 my father used to buy us "condensed" stories of Jules Verne (less words, however, they had no pictures).

      I find funny how this story is tagged "lotr", and that a lot of people here are recommending stories with dragons and witches and whatnot.

      LOTR and dragonlance and all those are fantasy books. People here might not think there is a difference but there is. Personally I do not like fantasy books. I can't finish them, however, I just read "Rendevouz with Rama" and am in the middle of "stranger in a strange land". And have read all Asimov's science fiction books.

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    17. Re:Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My son is 13 and started reading the Foundation series a year ago--he loved them. Dune as well, but it gets a little funky the last couple of books.

    18. Re:Jules Verne by xtracto · · Score: 0

      I told each of our daughters that they were abs... ...They're both Straight-A students (one in university now)

      May I be the first to say...

      PICS OR IT DID'NT HAPPEN!

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    19. Re:Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear, Hear!

    20. Re:Jules Verne by verbalcontract · · Score: 1

      Don't discount the value of a piece of trash. I read crap like "Goosebumps" as a kid and I loved it then, but I wouldn't say I read crap fiction today. If anything, it helped me understand the difference between good scenework and inelegant scenework. People need to experience it to recognize quality, much like sleeping on 200 thread-count sheets makes one appreciate 1000 thread-count sheets.

    21. Re:Jules Verne by tamarawilhite · · Score: 1

      You might enjoy "Humanity's Edge" and "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell". They're thrilling science fiction, not just for young adults, but accessible to all levels. I am the author.

    22. Re:Jules Verne by SputnikPanic · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify, I never said anything about whether today's kids can handle Bradbury, Asimov, etc; in fact, I'm sure they can. Nor was I suggesting that we equip them with blinders. Hell, let them read anything and everything they want; they're smart, they'll figure things out. I was simply wondering whether today's kids, pre-teens especially, would find those books as entertaining as we did. What qualifies as "entertaining" changes as we get older and I also think that it changes with the generations too. Would today's kids geek out over Tron the way we did? I can't say for sure, but I'd be surprised if they did.

    23. Re:Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and some of the other Heinlein are definitely darker and more political than I remember...

      Just let them read Heinlein et al. If it's "darker and more political" than you remember that's because when you read it as a pre-teen the "dark" and "political" stuff went over your head. Presumably the same will happen with your daemons.

    24. Re:Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention 20,000 Leagues under the sea. Verne is good because the books are a quantum level better than any movie version. Plus it can lead to all sorts of discussions about the technology and where we now know it wouldn't work. (Just WHY can't you fire a shell with people in it and get to the moon.) and where he got it right.

      For some reason it is impossible to make a good movie out of Verne's work. I've seen so many awful versions of 20,000 Leagues under the Sea. Not to mention the Doug McClure Journey to the Center of the Earth.

    25. Re:Jules Verne by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I find funny how this story is tagged "lotr", and that a lot of people here are recommending stories with dragons and witches and whatnot.

      LOTR and dragonlance and all those are fantasy books. People here might not think there is a difference but there is. Personally I do not like fantasy books.

      You might not like them, but your rant is pointless. Read more than the headline

      "...catalog for great sci-fi & fantasy books for them..."

      Emphasis mine

    26. Re:Jules Verne by AdamThor · · Score: 1

      Yes, you keep shoveling horse manure at your kids and they will grow up with a taste for horse manure.

      I read 5 or 7 Heinlein books as a youngster before realizing that they were lame. I read a few L. Ron Hubbard books as well before it became clear to me that they were not good, despite the shelfspace the author occupied.

      Don't worry about exposing children to stuff that sucks - they'll be able to decide they don't like it. The point is to make sure they're exposed to stuff that's good.

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    27. Re:Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tripod trilogy by John Christopher was a great read when I was a kid.

      http://www.amazon.com/Tripods-Boxed-Set-White-Mountains/dp/0689027737/ref=pd_bbs_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215633610&sr=8-10

    28. Re:Jules Verne by Dragoness+Eclectic · · Score: 1

      Pfft! The parent had a valid point: Isaac Asimov was not the best of writers. He had great ideas, but he couldn't characterize his way out of a paperbag. When your most vivid characters are your robots, you're not doing it right...

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    29. Re:Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look for books in the Time Traveller series by Andre Norton.

    30. Re:Jules Verne by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      They're 17 and 21 and no, you don't get pictures. But I assure you they are both drop-dead gorgeous, and the eldest is a certified grade-A geek and her level 70 Druid has epic flight form. The youngest teaches ballet. I married a lady programmer. NEENER NEENER NEENER!

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    31. Re:Jules Verne by Polo · · Score: 1

      Maybe not so much Asimov's foundation series.. I could not get through them as a kid.

      However, the Asimov robot books, like "I, Robot" I loved and read as many as I could.

    32. Re:Jules Verne by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      As a young child I had a major hardon for "contemplative and intellectual" books

      Great choice of words.

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    33. Re:Jules Verne by xtracto · · Score: 1

      You sir, are my new friend...

      And not for your children, but for your reply.

      Godspeed.

      BTW, I was just kidding. I have a gorgeous girlfriend which I love :)

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    34. Re:Jules Verne by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      "which I love :)"

      Unfortunate choice of words. :-D

      You probably meant "whom I love".

  4. Ben Bova Exiles trilogy by MajorDick · · Score: 1

    I read this in about 4th grade (althought it was new then, ugh 1975(=)

    If my meory is right about 100some pages each and pretty gripping stuff....

    Exiles from Earth was the first I think

    Right in line with a 6th grade or so reading level I would say...

  5. Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by drdanny_orig · · Score: 4, Informative

    Always at the top of my list. It's one of those books that when you finish, you think "how the hell did he fit all that in so few pages?" I can't remember if there's any sax or violins, but that's good for kids too.

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    1. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by Ugmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love almost all of Larry Niven's books but World Out of Time may not be good for pre-teen boys. Part of the plot is that most of humanity is wiped out. The remainder is look like pre-teen boys but are actually immortal. So far so good. These boys do maintain a breeding population that consists mostly of women with the minimal number of men to keep them pregnant. There is at least 1 orgy scene and some other sex scenes. Minimal violence though. So if you don't mind your 10 year olds reading about orgies, go for it.

    2. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by gordo3000 · · Score: 1

      you know, for a while I was wondering what orchestra instruments have to do with appropriateness of a book for teens

    3. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by OrangeTide · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      There's some pretty dirty stuff in these books. Re-reading some books that I read as a teen and pre-teen I have come across a few "WTF" moments. A lot of the pervy stuff I totally didn't remember.

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    4. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or there's always Brave New World:

      "Orgy-porgy, Ford and fun,
      Kiss the girls and make them One.
      Boys at One with girls at peace;
      Orgy-porgy gives release."

      Boy, did that book ever freak me out when I was a kid.

      Of course, nowadays it's real life that freaks me out.

    5. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of the pervy stuff I totally didn't remember.

      And this pretty much sums up why people worry too much about this stuff.

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    6. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

      That was the first good sci-fi I read beyond school it got me into reading novel length books. I was about in the target audience age then too.

      Though if you want a bit more contemporary, maybe the Dream Park series by Larry Niven and Steven Barnes would be good.

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    7. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is going to go into the borders of TMI territory, but I have to admit to being turned on by events that I found even in Piers Anthony's Xanth books as a teenage boy - when let's face it, anything will accomplish that. It does not seem to have unduly warped me, however; for example, I do not believe Piers Anthony to be a competent author now that I am an adult.

      Long story short, kids will actually seek that stuff out once they know it exists; but they have a short attention span and low burnout factor. Or put another way, kids out there are so fucking jaded these days they're bored with porn. You didn't think Net Nanny was effective, did you?

      Slightly more on topic to the question, I would very much suggest Niven; I was aiming for the Smoke Ring books. I'm sure this has been suggested up and down, but Orson Scott Card does a very good job of putting children in adult situations, which I know really got me interested in the ethical questions when I was that age. But I do want to stress that I read basically every piece of science fiction I could get my hands on as a teenager, and today I only have forty or fifty gigabytes of pornography. :D

      I just thought of another must-read, C.J. Cherryh's Chanur series. As a teenager, I really loved all of her sci-fi.

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    8. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by fumblebruschi · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I read Ringworld when I was about ten and all the sex stuff just went over my head. (I was aware that something I didn't quite get was happening, but that was all.)

      This is also why my experience of Stephen R. Donaldson's work was rather different than most people's: when I read it, at age ten, I had never heard the word "rape" and didn't know what it meant, and so I never realized what actually happened at the start of the story, and never understood why everyone was so mad at Thomas Covenant.

      So I wouldn't worry about it. Kids usually just let things go when they don't understand them. They won't be scarred for life.

    9. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I KNEW it. I knew I couldn't be the only guy to masturbate to Piers Anthony. Split Infinity and Centaur Aisle were HOT... when I was 15.

    10. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      As long as there's no Kenny G, the kids will survive OK.

    11. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      Good thing you never read Bio Of A Space Tyrant, then... that got downright graphic.

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    12. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by yukk · · Score: 1

      Parent isn't flamebait. Parent is insightful. Don't get all cut-up because someone says your favourite book has "dirty stuff" in it. It's true. Kids read about an orgy and blink a couple of times and either get it or shrug and continue on to the "good bits" that make sense to them.

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    13. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by amohat · · Score: 1

      Yes, leave your kids to be exposed to the real world (sex) by other kids, tv, movies, other adults.....and the fucking internet, no less.

      God forbid they read some story that happens to have the sense to create a fantastic alternative reality that is realistic enough to include how species reproduce. Since, you know, sheltering kids have always worked out for the best...it did with you, right? RIGHT?

      The world does not need more stupid kids. We need the best and the brightest, exposed to constant, realistic problems to solve.

      Give them over to us, you crazy, selfish, lying-ass, hypocritical parents. Mankind needs more fuel.

  6. Terry Pratchett by rminsk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Almost anything by Terry Pratchett.

    1. Re:Terry Pratchett by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I read some of these as a preteen. Also, Ray Bradbury. The Star Trek and most of the Star Wars novels are all suitable for preteens.

    2. Re:Terry Pratchett by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah, and *I* read the Foundation Trilogy when I was like 12 or 13. Loved it. Still do.

    3. Re:Terry Pratchett by robbkidd · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Strata and The Dark Side of the Sun are his sci-fi books. (But his fantasy is the really good stuff.)

    4. Re:Terry Pratchett by PlatyPaul · · Score: 1

      Not almost anything. As much as I love his stuff, there's a mighty whopping of violence and/or death (plus a few naughty words) in some of his Discworld novels. "Maskerade", for instance, is one that I would recommend for a slightly older audience (who would also appreciate the "subtle" Phantom of the Opera references).

      That being said, "Going Postal" (and Making Money), as well as "The Truth", would probably go over well.

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    5. Re:Terry Pratchett by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. His best scifi is the Bromeliad Trilogy (consisting of Truckers, Diggers, and Wings).

      The Johnny Maxwell series is quite good as well.

    6. Re:Terry Pratchett by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 1

      I'd put most of Terry Pratchett's work in the Fantasy category rather than sci-fi, although the sci-fi he has written is pretty good. I really enjoyed the Douglas Adams books as a kid, although I was lazy so I preferred listening to tapes of the Hitch-hiker's Guide To The Galaxy radio play.

      Whichever the preference, humour is generally a good way to keep it interesting, at least it was for me as a kid.

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    7. Re:Terry Pratchett by gmuslera · · Score: 1
      The Bromeliad Trilogy was meant mainly for childs. The Discworld stories around Tiffany Aching were also meant for young readers.

      About the rest of Discworld, they probably will miss a good part of the fun, but will enjoy them.

    8. Re:Terry Pratchett by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Well the radio broadcast, (and tv miniseries, and movie) were different from the book. I think it's best to check them all out :)

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    9. Re:Terry Pratchett by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sorry. To clarify - I read the books when at home. I listened to the tapes on long drives. Reading in a car always made me feel sick anyway.

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    10. Re:Terry Pratchett by uncamarty · · Score: 1

      "Reading in a car always made me feel sick anyway."
      Funny - usually puts me in hospital...

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    11. Re:Terry Pratchett by mengel · · Score: 1

      He has some new books pointed squarely at younger readers, though... Hat Full of Sky and The Wee Free Men...

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    12. Re:Terry Pratchett by miskate · · Score: 1

      Not to mention Truckers, Diggers, Wings and the Johnny books which are also all aimed at pre-teens.

    13. Re:Terry Pratchett by DrNico · · Score: 1

      Having just read all of the 'for younger persons' Pratchett to my 8 year old boy, Maurice and his educated rodents is IMHO by far the best, followed by the Tiffany Aching series (Hat full ...). It's probably the funniest, but also has really interesting themes such as how do you represent knowledge when you're a rat; for a being that finds itself conscious, what are its right and responsibilities and so on. Being Pratchett, it's not done in a heavy handed way, but breakfast has been much more interesting around our place since we read it. It's perfect for any child with a slightly philosophical bent.

    14. Re:Terry Pratchett by MarcoG42 · · Score: 1

      I've been a tremendous fan of Pratchett's for over 10 years, now. I've yet to find anything remotely similar, and I like to laugh when I read. Though I've read Tolkien, I really can't stand to read books full of battles and the typical "Horse and Sword" type fantasy. I do enjoy Gaiman, Jim Butcher and Christopher Moore, if that gives you any idea of where my tastes (or lack thereof) are.

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    15. Re:Terry Pratchett by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pratchett is a great recommendation, as well as the first three Hitchhiker's Guide.

      Early Heinlein is much more kid friendly. "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" is the first Sci-Fi I ever read. Piers Anthony is probably right up their alley, also.

    16. Re:Terry Pratchett by Cederic · · Score: 1

      wtf? The violence, death and naughty words are pretty tame relative to anything north of Enid Blyton.

      There are good reasons for not recommending Pratchett to children that young, but death/violence/language are not among them.

  7. Modesitt by YoungHack · · Score: 3, Informative

    I like the Recluse series by L. E. Modesitt. I read those books over and over.

    1. Re:Modesitt by PresidentEnder · · Score: 1

      I, too, read it over and over. Every time I picked it up, though, it was retitled, and Lerris had a different name and profession. Wait, that's a series? (I kid, I kid. They're great fun to read, seriously).

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    2. Re:Modesitt by johndmann · · Score: 1

      Really wish Modesitt's series was more popular. Wonderful stuff!

  8. Ender's Game by MattW · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ender's Game, of course.

    1. Re:Ender's Game by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would add to this that kids are much more likely to enjoy the Ender's Shadow line of sequels that focus on Bean rather than the actual Ender sequels like Speaker of the Dead. Hell, I couldn't even get through that whole series - Xenocide was bad enough, I still haven't bothered to pick up Children of the Mind. The Ender's Shadow series, on the other hand, keeps a lot of the pacing and feel of the first book instead of plodding into endless philosophical discussion.

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    2. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children of the Mind is much better than Xenocide.

    3. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agree!

    4. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree 100% That was the first Sci-Fi book I read and I'm glad I was given the chance to read it for my Summer Reading for Freshman year of HS. Brilliant book.

    5. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course Ender's Game, but you can't forget Enders Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, and Shadow of the Giant. If your kids are anything like I was, they will really like being able to go through such a complete story of a character (Bean). If they are up for it, the other 3 Ender books are still good too (Speaker for the dead, Xenocide, Children of the mind).

      I Also very much enjoyed The Belgariad. Its technically under "fantasy" but it makes sense and was one of my very favorite series of books. Prolly just because it had a chick that I imagined was my age and pretty hot...

      my $0.02

    6. Re:Ender's Game by djp928 · · Score: 1

      Xenocide/Children of the Mind were flipping terrible. Such an incredible letdown after Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead. Speaker is very very different from Ender's Game, but at least it's *good*. Xenocide and Children are just awful.

    7. Re:Ender's Game by jgijanto · · Score: 1

      I agree. Speaker for the dead made me think the series had some potential, but xenocide was a complete waste of time and I barely finished it. Having seen Card ruin that branch of the series, I don't see myself reading any of his other novels.

    8. Re:Ender's Game by amohat · · Score: 1

      I would suggest Ender's Game as a exercise in critical thinking.

      As in, just how many huge glaring plot holes can you find? Just how badly did Card screw up the whole idea? If Ender is so smart, why is he so incredibly stupid, far stupider than any kid I know? Any punk gamer I know can pull better, more innovative military strategy out of his ass.

      To say nothing of how stupid the adults are! The smarter Card tries to make them, the stupider the choices they make!

      Sorry, after y'all hyped this book so much, I found it was laughably bad. Worse, as it had so much potential! And to read Card's intro...he is certainly full of himself, isn't he?

    9. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seconded.

      Especially if the kids are bright at all. I think every young geek can feel empathy with Ender's story.

      might want to skip "speaker", "Xenocide" and "Children of the mind" (more adult book in my opinion) and go to the "Puppet" series told from Bean's POV.

    10. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orson Scott Card is perfect for this age group and older. The whole series following Ender are incredible. Deep insight, and spectacular writing make Ender's Game an essential classic for sci-fi enthusiasts and anyone who cares for the psyco-social themes in Card's works.

    11. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried reading Chapter 1 of that, as a reaction to these recommendations...

      What intelligent person would give to their child, whom they love, a story that substitutes predator values for worth.

      What intelligent person would give their child a story that suggests that "intellect" supersedes wisdom, heart, values, life, everything?

      What ignorant, mundane-evil crap, to deform one's child's meaning with.

      Maybe remembering what it felt like, if one read it decades ago, is different from reading it now
      ( in which case it is the recommendations that are mistaken ) .. and my recent attempt to reread the stories I was so fond of, as a child, discovering that they aren't good, well written, or healthy, suggests that this is what is going on, but

      If you value your child as a human being, rather than as a predator, find something else to imprint their meaning with...

      Sorry to disagree with others' recommendations, but *read it yourself*
      ( not years ago, now! ) before imprinting your child with it!

  9. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enders Game.

  10. Anne McCaffrey by gradient · · Score: 1

    I grew up reading Anne McCaffrey's "The Dragonriders of Pern" series and they're still the only books I reread on a regular basis.

    1. Re:Anne McCaffrey by turtledawn · · Score: 2, Informative

      In particular, McCaffrey's Dragonsdawn even has a little bit of science in it! A smattering of biomed, genetic engineering, some light AI, space navigation and terminology (this is where I discovered Oort clouds), a tiny bit of geology and botany. It's fun, and the psionics comes in late enough that you can ignore it if you want.

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    2. Re:Anne McCaffrey by compro01 · · Score: 1

      I heartily second that. Todd McCaffrey (her son) is also taking up the torch and continuing the series, and from what I've seen so far, he's doing a pretty good job of it.

      Though I'd catagorize the mid-timeline books (the first 2 books of the original trillogy and others set slightly before then.) more as fantasy than sci-fi.

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    3. Re:Anne McCaffrey by doas777 · · Score: 1

      I would typically leave mcaffrey for early teens and up. I was rather surprised that for an elderly lady, Ann is really into male homosexuality. nothing wrong with that, but may be better for a slightly older audience.

    4. Re:Anne McCaffrey by MachDelta · · Score: 1

      There are three series' of books I truly sunk my teeth into early in my life.

      The Dragonriders of Pern was one of them. High fantasy bravado mixed with Sci Fi. Loved it. Still read the newer ones from time to time.

      Shannara was another. Post apocalyptic epic high fantasy with hints of steampunk. Was one of my first tastes of geekdom (and still one of the sweetest).

      And last but not even close to least, the entire 21 book saga known as Robotech. Classic Japanese SciFi (mecha, aliens, romance, and more!) adapted for north america. It took me a loooong time (mostly trying to hunt the books down in the right order!) but devouring this series was one of my proudest accomplishments as a young boy. And if I had the time in my life, i'd do it again as an adult. It was fucking awesome.

      Anyways, those are where I started.

    5. Re:Anne McCaffrey by giminy · · Score: 1

      I dunno if I'd say that she was 'really' into male homosexuality. Of the hundred or so relationships explored in the Pern books, there were a few mentions of homosexuality and one or two actual homosexual relationships (I recall two male scientists in Dragonfall and I think one other couple in one of the later series...typically her homosexual relationships were defined by their dragons coupling [okay now that I write that it's got some humor to it]). I'd consider the Pern universe on par with what the Real World looks like...mostly straight, but pretty much everyone knows a gay person or two. Besides, for a pre-teen, it could be a good thing to read (especially if they're going to turn out gay).

      I'm not gay, though I'm glad I read that stuff when I was young. I think I was ten or eleven when I did read most of McCaffrey's works, still at an age when girls had cooties, but it definitely opened up my mind as I got older.

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    6. Re:Anne McCaffrey by bob_herrick · · Score: 1

      For an earlier example of a female SF author, try Andre Norton. I recall "Beastmaster" as particularly engaging.

  11. Bradbury by philspear · · Score: 1

    Ray Bradbury is good, although I was less inclined to read him once I found out that my mother had herself read them when she was a kid (not having the term "pre-teen" in her day.)

    Granted also that I didn't understand them... and still don't.

  12. Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by gral · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He is the same guy that wrote Tarzan. There are several on http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/b#a48 They are a little light on the Science part on occasion, but they were written in 1914.

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    1. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by Haoie · · Score: 1

      Those books are excellent. More importantly, they're also free, woot.

      Also by Burroughs, the Lost World is a nice read.

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    2. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      His Venus series was pretty good, too, and this reminds me of Lin Carter's books, as well.

    3. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by uncamarty · · Score: 1

      Carr go 'Baroom'...
      is there a theme here or what?

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    4. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by unjedai · · Score: 1

      "Magnifique!" ejaculated the Countess de Coude, beneath her breath. The Return Of Tarzan You gotta love a book that starts out like that.

    5. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barsoom. They're on Barsoom.

      (He also wrote a couple on Venus...)

    6. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by srothroc · · Score: 1

      I'd second this, with a correction -- they're generally referred to as the "Barsoom" books, with an "s". They're great, action-packed, feature strong, moral male characters, and can teach kids that old books are not bad books.

      Along those lines, I'd also recommend the Tom Swift books. The first series is interesting for showing them what people a hundred years ago thought was science fiction -- many of his inventions are fact now. The second series is more traditional science fiction, with space stations, rockets, and Russians stealing strange inventions that have to do with nuclear technology.

      Additionally, I'd recommend Heinlein's or Asimov's juveniles -- there's a reason they're called "juveniles". Things like The Star Beast, Have Spacesuit May Travel, Podkayne of Mars, the Lucky Starr series, and some of Asimov's short story colletions.

      You can probably also dig up old astronaut series like Tom Corbett or even the Lensman books. There are also tons of juvenile Star Wars and Star Trek books to be had on the cheap in used book stores all over the place.

      I'd suggest reading along with them, or at least trying to read what they're reading when they're not -- not for watching their material or anything like that, but simply so you know where they're coming from when they say something is cool. That way you can actually talk about it.

    7. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by gral · · Score: 1

      The link I provided shows all of the ones on GutenBerg. I have read almost all of them. Height of pulp fiction. ;-)

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    8. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by gral · · Score: 1

      Hey, I thought I hit the s key there. I think I scared it at least. I am trying to break in this keyboard. Yeah, that's it.

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    9. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barsoom.

    10. Re:Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by Arccot · · Score: 1

      He is the same guy that wrote Tarzan. There are several on http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/b#a48 They are a little light on the Science part on occasion, but they were written in 1914.

      Seconded. For sheer enjoyment, most of Burroughs stuff is great, and the Barzoom saga is at the top. It's purely fluff, but all of the books were glued to my hands until I could finish them.

  13. Just give them the "dark" ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They seem kind of dark and cynical because you are older. When you are a teenager, all you remember is the hero kicking ass and getting the girl.

  14. My suggestions by Forrest+Kyle · · Score: 1

    I really enjoyed 2001: A Space Odyssey (and the sequels!), as well as some of the Rama books, all by Arthur C. Clarke. I was about 14 when I read them. It sounds like your kids are younger, but they may still enjoy it. It never hurts to over-estimate your kids. I read some pretty heavy tomes by the time I started high school.

    I really recommend Timothy Zahn's Star Wars "Heir to the Empire" series. It's not "great" literature, but it's some of the best Star Wars writing out there.

    "1984" by George Orwell is a good book. It might spark some interesting discussions about current events. (wire tapping, Habeas Corpus, etc)

    1. Re:My suggestions by KylePflug · · Score: 1

      I started reading Star Wars in first grade and didn't turn back until high school. It's not the densest or most thought-provoking stuff on the planet, but it's fun, clean, and usually interesting. I had no love for words before then. Since then, I read literally every star wars book ever published until the Yuuzhan Vong nonsense. That's what made me start writing and eventually become an English student, publish my own book of poetry, and (via a ridiculously circuitious route), go to law school. I was a terrible english student. I read about a hundred star wars novels. Then I got a 780 on the SAT verbal as a sophomore. I'm no genius, and there isn't a 1:1 connection there obviously, but anything that will but a large volume of words and constructions will give your kid a grasp of the language that he'll never lose. Anything Timothy Zahn is a great recommendation. When I was a kid I also loved the Kevin J. Anderson Jedi Academy series, the Rogue Squadron books, and the Corellian Trilogy.

  15. "Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by PlatyPaul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back in six grade, we read "Invitation to the Game" by Monica Hughes, and I've been hooked on scifi ever since.

    Brief plot synopsis: unemployment is skyrocketing due to mass mechanization of society, although the unemployed are well taken-care-of due to the same efficient use of resources. It can be dull to be unemployed, at least until you get an invitation on your doorstep mentioning a secret game with a very exclusive list of players.

    Mystery/adventure/scifi, very highly rated, but do not read the Amazon editorials (thar be spoilers afoot).

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    1. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by ChipmunkDJE · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have to second "Invitation to the Game". As a young reader, I absolutely LOVED this book. I even read it a second time immediately after I finished because of the "new perspective" of the ending. The only books I do that with now are instruction manuels...

    2. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by Velocir · · Score: 1

      I was the same way with "The Electric Kid". Good stuff :)

    3. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of people in this topic are missing the "pre" part of the description. Tolkien, Heinlein, even Card are all better for teens rather than preteens. However, "Invitation to the Game" is right on that level (I read it around 12 or 13). I would add David Edding's "Belgariad" and "So You Want to be a Wizard" by Diane Duane. Finally, "Dealing with Dragons" by Patricia Wrede. These are all books that I read while i was younger and that I have picked up again in adulthood without disappointment.

    4. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by behnnie · · Score: 1

      I *LOVED* "Invitation to the Game" as a child!

      Who am I kidding? I still reread it at least once every other year and I'm in my late 20s. That book totally reshaped the way I constructed my inner fantasy life.

      Young female readers may also enjoy Hughes' "Isis" series. (Male readers may enjoy it too, but it's definitely written towards a female audience, I think.)

      If PlatyPaul's synopsis for "Invitation..." reads like something the young readers you have in mind might like, a good "next book" for them a year or two down the road might be Pamela Sargent's "Earthseed." Some similar themes and views of society, but with a little bit of sex and violence mixed in for good measure. Not overwhelming by any means, and I remember being completely drawn in and intellectually excited by it when I read it in middle school, but some of the scenes might not be universally appropriate.

      And I heartily second (or third or fourth or whatever) Madeleine L'Engle's "Wrinkle in Time" series. Wow on so many levels, and available at used book stores and libraries everywhere.

    5. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by EPAstor · · Score: 1

      "Dealing with Dragons", and possibly the sequels - absolutely seconded. Truly fantastic books, and I devoured them at that age. Particularly the last one, which manages to continue the universe's fun subversion of fantasy tropes while incorporating an entertaining "Hero's Journey". "So You Want to Be a Wizard" is excellent wish-fulfillment, with solid stories and decent morals backing it up. "Invitation to the Game" is great sci-fi as well, with a slightly darker edge, and a beautiful twist at the end. At least, it'll probably still be a twist to readers of that age who haven't read every science-fiction book they can get their hands on yet.

    6. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by A+L+1+E+N · · Score: 1

      I want to second the Monica Hughes recommendation. When I was young, I was entranced by her "Devil on my Back," it's sequel, and many of her other books:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Hughes (Geez, that list brings back memories :') )

      She was a fantastic author and her books are specifically tailored for budding sci-fi enthusiasts. Heartily recommended.

      ps. Thanks for reminding me of them. :)
    7. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember reading that, in fact I still own a copy. The ending can be a tad metaphorical with the egg and what not, though I didn't notice that part for years.

    8. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anything by Monica Hughes is brilliant, and I still have a copy of Invitation on my shelf.

      That said, I read Heinlein's "troopers" at ten, and the politics flew clean over my head.

    9. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great suggestion, but I would go further to say pretty much ANYTHING by Ms. Hughes is an excellent preteen read. She's got a perfect voice for the age bracket.

    10. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      The Dealing With Dragons trilogy(?) was pretty enjoyable. Might want to note, though, that Wrede:Feminism::Lewis:Christianity.

      And I definitely agree with the recommendation for the "So you Want to be a wizard" (back in the late 80s the whole trilogy was available in a collection called, I think, "Support your local wizard")

    11. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second this recommendation. I read this book three times in as many years.

    12. Re:"Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes yes yes. I was already hooked on scifi when I read this one, but it was a perfect read when I was in 4th grade and reread it several more times after.

  16. Re: E.E. Doc Smith by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those are good. Along those lines, if the readers in question can put up with a style like Verne's (in the sense that it isn't a modern style) they might enjoy E.E. Doc Smith's Skylark and Lensman series; those were very cool to read. The styles can be a show-stopper for some, though. Personally, I just re-read the Skylarks and they were great.

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  17. Airborne and Skybreaker by Kenneth Oppel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.airborn.ca/

    Good story, not hard-core "science" fiction, but in that genre. Definitely pre-teen or so.

  18. Alfred Bester by Syrente · · Score: 2, Informative

    I found Alfred Bester's works to be timeless classics. Especially "The Stars My Destination."

    1. Re:Alfred Bester by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      I love Bester's work as well, but am unsure I would suggest any of his non-comic book work to pre-teens. If I were going to choose one, I'd probably go with The Demolished Man over The Stars My Destination.

    2. Re:Alfred Bester by yuna49 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wow, another Bester/"Stars" fan? I thought I was among the five people left in the world who loved this story. I was about 12-13 at the time I read it for the first of perhaps half-a-dozen times. Now that you've reminded me about it, I'll have to read it again. It's in my now almost fifty-year-old copy of A Treasury of Great Science Fiction edited by Anthony Boucher which I just found on the bookshelf.

      I like many of the Heinlein novels from his early period, particularly the ones that were political in nature. His depiction of an America with politics based on fundamentalist Protestantism seems remarkably prescient since the Reagan years. Once sexuality appears on your childrens' horizons, it might be time to read Stranger in a Strange Land.

      I was a pretty devout Catholic as a child and remember the impression Arthur C. Clarke's short story "The Star" made. Like the protagonist in the story, it may have marked the beginning of doubt.

      Another author that I loved in my youth was "Andre" Norton, the pen name of Alice Mary Norton. When she started writing SF and fantasy, women were so rare in the profession that she took a man's first name to get published. Looking at her bibliography, I recall reading a number of books that she wrote in the late 1950's and early 1960's.

      Finally if your children like fantasy, I strongly recommend Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea Trilogy, another series intended for young readers but with great appeal to adults as well. Le Guin was the daughter of the famous American anthropologist Alfred Kroeber, an influence that's obvious in many of her best works like The Dispossessed.

    3. Re:Alfred Bester by Syrente · · Score: 1
      Now it's my turn to wow: an Earthsea fan? I read that... I have no idea how many years ago but I still always keep it on my bedside bookshelf (should I be worried I have a bedside bookshelf?).

      I can't even begin describe how much I loved that quartet, especially 'The Tombs of Atuan.'

      Wait did you say Trilogy? It's a Sextet, now, plus three non-canonical short stories, according to Wikipedia... I guess I'd better get reading.

    4. Re:Alfred Bester by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because a book with a homicidal protagonist (and part-time rapist) is PERFECT for preteen readers!

    5. Re:Alfred Bester by Syrente · · Score: 1
      'The Demolished Man' is also brilliant, but I still feel 'The Stars My Destination' is his best.

      I think it's because TDM is all about getting away with murder while TSMD is more of a bildungsroman. Also I prefer the ending of Stars.

    6. Re:Alfred Bester by Gridpoet · · Score: 1

      i also read a lot of Andre Norton, very good stuff. I can vividly remember in sixth grade discovering the sci-fi fantasy section of my grade school library, up until that point i had read stories here and there and new what i liked, but i had NO idea there was a complete genre (heck, i didn't even know what a genre WAS!) that i could read!

      As sappy as it may sound, i sometimes wish i could go back to those days, the stories were so fresh and exciting, i must have read every sci-fi book in the library...

      on that note you might want to see if one of your local grade schools has a library with a Sci-fi/ Fantasy section, its a veritable wealth of pre-teen appropriate material

      On a more specific note, one of the series i remember vividly was "The Tripod Trilogy" by John Christopher, it must have been good if i remember it 20 years later

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    7. Re:Alfred Bester by McNally · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, another Bester/"Stars" fan? I thought I was among the five people left in the world who loved this story.

      Not at all. It's just that most people who love it know it as "The Count of Monte Cristo."

      Actually, if I had a kid who was into science fiction I'd love to give them "The Stars My Destination" (which I agree is a terrifically entertaining read and a great story in its own right even if Bester did cop the basic plot from Dumas) and then *after* they'd read it rent a movie production of "The Count of Monte Cristo" to see if they recognized it as the same story. I know it took me a surprisingly long time to work that out..

    8. Re:Alfred Bester by deeredr · · Score: 1

      I completely agree, "The Stars My Destination" was and is one of my all time favorites, hard to beat.

      Also

      "Galatic Derelict" by Norton-Priceless!

      "Earthblood" by Keith Laumer-Go Terra!

      "When Worlds Collide" and "After Worlds Collide" by Phillip Wylie-Campy but a young boy's imagination stretcher!

      And more, so many many more....

      Hey! What was that sound? A blue jaunt perhaps??

    9. Re:Alfred Bester by Nimey · · Score: 1

      I kill you filthy.

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    10. Re:Alfred Bester by Fyzzler · · Score: 1

      Andre Norton is what got me started in SciFi Fantasy. The witch world series,The Time Agents Series and basically her entire 100+ book catalog is all appropriate reading for pre-teens.

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    11. Re:Alfred Bester by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      by the way, I read this book under a less known 'Tiger Tiger' title. It is one of my all time favorites.

    12. Re:Alfred Bester by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terry Pratchett and Adams are funny, but after a while just too much - children want a plot, not an endless series of funny jokes, often based on experiences they don't have. I don't read their stuff any more - I was impressed and amused, but I wanted to be enthralled and carried away.
          Ender's Game bites - Card's stuff makes me want to have a shower, it's so neurotic, and I want stories about struggle and success, not a kid with a wild talent who's played for a fool by the military.
          I would start young children with Roy Meyers's Dolphin Boy. All of my children loved it. Also Anne McCaffrey's first two dragon books. I read King Solomon's Mines at ten and loved it, and I think that it wold have been SF had the term existed in the mid nineteenth century.
          Eric Frank Russell's Men, Martians and Machines, the earlier Niven stuff, Theodore Sturgeon, anything by Keith Laumer. There is a ton of stuff out there, and don't sell your kids short - by eight years old they have more sense than you would believe, and probably more intelligence than you have retained.
          Of course most of us cut our teeth on endless collections of short stories, the good ones are clever and brief, and if they suck not much time is lost - you learn to separate the gems from the scrap, and to push on. The good stuff you will remember forever, at least I did.

    13. Re:Alfred Bester by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get why people always go on about Stars when they talk about Bester.

      The Demolished Man is a heck of a lot better, and one of the best books (sf or not) ever written. And the ending _really_ surprised me, which is rare.

    14. Re:Alfred Bester by estarriol · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Count me as another huge fan of Earthsea and The Stars My Destination - 33 now and I just reread Stars a couple of weeks ago (in one sitting) and will reread Earthsea soon. I also enjoyed Tombs of Atuan best - I constantly wonder that this book isn't recognised more and consider it to be perfect. That Harry Potter gets so much attention when wonders like A Wizard of Earthsea exist is a source of regular irritation to me.

    15. Re:Alfred Bester by estarriol · · Score: 1

      I liked TDM but the ending is very weak IMO. Stars is superb.

    16. Re:Alfred Bester by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Finally if your children like fantasy, I strongly recommend Ursula LeGuin's [ursulakleguin.com] Earthsea Trilogy"

      I doubly recommend this series. The books are written to be approachable for younger readers, yet they touch on much deeper subjects. I especially liked her take on magic -- great power, but requiring deep responsibility and something to be used sparingly. My child loved the series.

    17. Re:Alfred Bester by thegameiam · · Score: 1

      I liked The Demolished Man better myself, but it's a slower story - The Stars, My Destination has a lot more action in it, and of course the main character is the hero, not the villian...

      But in truth, I'd just have a well-stocked bookshelf, and let children figure it out for themselves.

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    18. Re:Alfred Bester by Dragoness+Eclectic · · Score: 1

      Ah! Another Norton fan! I wondered why no one recommended her juvenile sci-fi for kids; they're classic space opera, and frequently center around orphaned or otherwise alienated children as protagonists.

      And while we're talking about Bester, how about "The Demolished Man"?

      Also, H. G. Wells was a good writer and is definitely a classic.

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    19. Re:Alfred Bester by GrandpaLeaman · · Score: 1

      I would have to agree with this assessment. Older teens or young adults would better appreciate these two classic. I didn't get to read "The Stars My Destination" till I was about 24 years old. It is so well crafted that even today it remains one of my favorite SF/Fantasy stories. Not that there is anything wrong with Robert Heinlein or Larry Niven! When the kids get older you may want to introduce them to Roger Zelazny's "Amber" series.

  19. Heinlein juveniles by opencity · · Score: 5, Informative

    Citizen of the Galaxy, Farmer in the Sky, Have Space Suit will Travel, Starman Jones - all by Heinlein. These are his juveniles and are all good stories, drama and action along with some moralizing about studying hard etc ... I read them as a kid and was hooked. The Larry Niven short stories.

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    1. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget Heinlein's Red Planet.

    2. Re:Heinlein juveniles by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to agree with the Heinlein books that are written for children (his adult science fiction is way beyond pre-teens). Asimov has some good ones that might work. Janet Asimov's (written with Isaac) Norby Chronicles are also fun books. John Christopher's Tripod books are good too (The Sword of the Spirits is good as well but is more fantasy than sci-fi).

      Ender's Game, as many have said is great too but much of it other than the action will be lost on youngish kids.

      There are also some great newer books (the following are mainly fantasy) for kids (Bartimaeus Trilogy, Artemis Fowl, Percy Jackson and the Olympians, Harry Potter (they've probably read them though), etc.). There are many more but I can't think of them right now.

    3. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to recommend these, as well. I also like Tunnel in the Sky, and there are some 1950's collections of short stories from the greats (Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein, Bradbury), which are probably out of print, but can often be found on thrift store shelves that are really good. In the same vein, the Martian Chronicles are good, but perhaps a little abstract for younger readers.

      Also, don't forget War of the Worlds!

    4. Re:Heinlein juveniles by samkass · · Score: 1

      Asimov's short story collections, as opposed to his novels, are great for younger readers. Personally, I prefer them to his longer works anyway even as an adult, but for younger readers they offer more concise stories that are easier to wrap your head around.

      Some easier-reading technical science fiction (if you'd like your kid to get interested in geekier lines of thought) includes Rick Cook's Wizardy series, and Xorandor by Christine Brooke-Rose.

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    5. Re:Heinlein juveniles by rossdee · · Score: 1

      Also by RAH

      Between Planets
      Star Beast
      Have space suit will travel
      Space Family Stone

    6. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also,

            Starman Jones (First Heinlein I ever read, great book)
            Glory Road
            Citizen of the Galaxy.

            Great Juveniles,

    7. Re:Heinlein juveniles by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      I'll second the Percy Jackson and the Olympians series. It and a bunch of other series of books follow the Harry Potter theme (young misunderstood and sometimes socially rejected 8-12 year old youth discovers his innate powers and that he's an integral part of a huge good/evil struggle...) These series tend to age with the character. They were released about once a year, and each book picked up a year later (summer camp, etc.) with the main character. So the themes in the book age as well, get more serious or dark, girl-boy issues start to become more important. That said, most of these (and the Percy Jackson series handles this well) keep their subject matter grounded to a 10-12year old level. actual death and killing it kept to a minimum, language and humor are age appropriate, etc.

    8. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I couldn't agree more. The Heinlen juveniles are what you're looking for.

      AC

    9. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 1

      Red Planet was the first novel I read.

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    10. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Iogsotot · · Score: 1

      Mee Too! Tunnel in the Sky is pretty tame, as is Space Cadet, from what I can remember. I can't recall anything too "bad" in Citizen of the Galaxy, either.

    11. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Pooua · · Score: 1

      I read "Between Planets" as a young teen. I enjoyed it a lot, and still enjoy recalling the storyline.

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    12. Re:Heinlein juveniles by spikedvodka · · Score: 1

      I started reading Asimov's "R daniel" series when I was 11-ish... "Caves of Steel" is a great place to start

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    13. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Goobermunch · · Score: 1

      I'll third this. Tunnel in the Sky is an excellent novel for pre-teen boys, especially if they have any interest in scouting.

      --AC

    14. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Swampash · · Score: 1

      The Heinlein Juveniles:

            1. Rocket Ship Galileo, 1947
            2. Space Cadet, 1948
            3. Red Planet, 1949
            4. Farmer in the Sky, 1950
            5. Between Planets, 1951
            6. The Rolling Stones aka Space Family Stone, 1952
            7. Starman Jones, 1953
            8. The Star Beast, 1954
            9. Tunnel in the Sky, 1955
          10. Time for the Stars, 1956
          11. Citizen of the Galaxy, 1957
          12. Have Space Suit--Will Travel, 1958

      More info:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinlein_juveniles

      Every year I buy my son one Heinlein Juvenile for his birthday. He just turned three, and he has Rocket Ship Galileo, Space Cadet, and Red Planet on his bookshelf.

    15. Re:Heinlein juveniles by TrentTheThief · · Score: 1

      Very good choices, opencity. I must have read those dozens of times.

      Good material, and good themes.

    16. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you want to convey a strong anti-drug message there is Farham's Freehold. I managed to come across that book when I was very young because I had read most of his books for kids and found some other titles by him in the adult section of the library.

    17. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Citizen of the Galaxy, Farmer in the Sky, Have Space Suit will Travel, Starman Jones - all by Heinlein. These are his juveniles and are all good stories, drama and action along with some moralizing about studying hard etc ... I read them as a kid and was hooked. The Larry Niven short stories.

      Moralizing? In a Heinlein book? No way! I can hardly believe it...

      (For the uninitiated: Starship Troopers is about 10% action, 30% story, and 60% Heinlein using the novel as a soapbox for dubious political philosophy...)

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    18. Re:Heinlein juveniles by opencity · · Score: 1

      Starship Trooper would be a little dry for kids, or did you notice the original posters question? Heinlein's political and social rambling ends up taking over his later works but are kept in check in the juveniles. The point in Starman Jones seems to be 'study real hard and follow your dream' - as opposed to Starship's 'join the Army, earn the vote' or Stranger In A Strangeland's 'sex and talking'.

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  20. Bradbury -- yes. Heinlein -- yes. by gunnk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Both Bradbury and Heinlein are wonderful. I loved The Martian Chronicles in Junior High.

    On the Heinlein side, check out his youth fiction rather than his more political stuff. He wrote a bunch of novels targeted directly at youth.

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  21. I think Heinlein would be ok by j-pimp · · Score: 1

    I never read him, but I've had similar experience with 1984. Obviously, I though it was political when I read it at 14 (~1996), but I considered it as well as The Lion an the Unicorn an impossibility since we beat the Russians, and the British were pretty democratic. I think even if 9/11 never happened, or if we ignored it I'd still think differently about it.

    I think preteens will appreciate the meaning of books they read at that age when they are older. I certainly saw the whole epic good versus epic evil themes of the lord of the rings in 5th and 6th grade, and sensed that was some sort of Christian allegory. I later learned Tolkien was a devout Catholic and hated allegory which explains why the christian symbolism didn't quite add up.

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    1. Re:I think Heinlein would be ok by maxume · · Score: 3, Informative

      In "Time Enough for Love" (by Heinlein), the protagonist has sex with both his mother (there is time travel) and with his X-duplicated, female clone. Lots of his stuff would be fine, but not really all of it.

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    2. Re:I think Heinlein would be ok by cthulu_mt · · Score: 1

      "Time Enough for Love" would not fall into the 'juveniles' category.

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    3. Re:I think Heinlein would be ok by maxume · · Score: 1

      Yes, that was essentially my point. Note that the comment I replied to made a rather blanket recommendation and also stated that they had not read any Heinlein.

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    4. Re:I think Heinlein would be ok by cthulu_mt · · Score: 1

      Yar, epic fail.

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  22. Ender's Game by Fast+Thick+Pants · · Score: 1

    Dark *is* fun. Kids know when they're being coddled, and that's enough to turn some kids off a whole genre or reading altogether.

    Anyway, Ender's Game is great -- playful but also rife with doom. I didn't always have a huge attention span when I was a youngster, though, so I read all the volumes of Hugo short-story winners I could find. Some great stuff in there.

  23. Hmm by aitikin · · Score: 1

    Herbert's work is always wonderful. Asimov goes without saying.

    I don't really know much about the preteen scifi stories though, I jumped right to The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings when I was about 11.

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    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Dune", by Frank Herbert

      "the mote in god's eye", by larry niven and jerry pournelle

      "gateway", by fredrik poul

      "foundation", by isaac asimov

    2. Re:Hmm by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 1

      Dune and Foundation are a little advanced for pre-teens. They could read them, of course, but you have to consider the kid. You don't want a kid to read Dune and not enjoy it then never read it again because of that bad experience (by the way, I think Dune is one of the greatest books ever written). The Foundation novels could work too but they get a little too involved for most 10-12 year olds.

    3. Re:Hmm by xstonedogx · · Score: 1

      With respect to Frank Herbert, his writing style is much dryer than Asimov's Foundation series.

    4. Re:Hmm by William+Baric · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I strongly disagree, at least with the Dune series. I read Dune (although not in English) when I was 11 or 12, and I believe it's the perfect kid sci-fi. It's light, it present political and social ideas with simple examples instead of explanations, it is morally clear cut so the kid will know who's who, and yet introduce him to some exoticism which can open the kid's mind and certainly lead him to dream about this world. I certainly did.

      On the other hand, I think foundation is better for a 14 or 15 years old. It's better on the "idea" side, it has more food for thought, but there is a lot less action and heroism. It's certainly more nerdy than Dune.

      (Disclaimer, I read both series a long time ago, so I'm relying on a 25 to 30 years old memory... I may be wrong)

    5. Re:Hmm by Bugs42 · · Score: 1

      Herbert's work is always wonderful.

      You obviously never read past book 3 of the Dune series.
      Dune - FANTASTIC book. One of my favorites.
      Children of Dune - Another great book.
      Dune Messiah - Good.
      God-Emperor of Dune - Eh...
      Heretics of Dune - Utter crap.
      Chapterhouse Dune - Even more crap than the above

      And so on. I couldn't bring myself to read anymore.

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  24. Timothy Zahn by Gambrinus · · Score: 1

    Timothy Zahn has written several books that would be of interest. Some have been republished. A used book store would be a good place to visit.

    1. Re:Timothy Zahn by ross.w · · Score: 1

      Of all the writers that wrote books based on the Star Wars Universe, Timothy Zahn is the best. Thrawn Trilogy FTW The other Star wars stuff is OK though. My 9yo is currently reading the X-Wing series and thoroughly enjoying it.

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  25. The answer, of course, is 42! by Landshark17 · · Score: 1

    The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy by Douglas Adams.

    Also, though it's not sci-fi, Masters of Doom by David Kushner is a fantastic book about the development of id Software in the early 90s. It's a fun read for anyone into gaming.

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  26. As I remember it ... by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    A field guide to birds. Come on, it's got to be fiction ... little creatures that go around waving their arms to defy gravity? Surely those things only exist in cgi "nature" documentaries.

    (that's it, I've officially gone all old and grumpy, thinking that there's so much fiction and fantasy in the world that we've stopped looking at the reality out the window)

  27. Belgariad by David Eddings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fantasy series. Easy read and it was very accessible when I was that age.

  28. Fantasy by doas777 · · Score: 1

    in terms of fantasty, though it is far from classic, I'd recommend David Eddings' "the Belgariad" series. a great story, without too many adult overtones.

    once their a few years older, peirs anthony is great for early teens.

  29. Everything by Saxerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My advice would be, don't hold back. I had a voracious appetite for books as a teenager which crossed many demographics and genres. But the most memorable to me are the ones with more of an adult edge that really made me think. Personally, I think we spend too much time holding children back and looking to make their lives better than our own. Not every novel I've read was a classic, but there are very few I would say I didn't at least enjoy. Let them read everything you can get your hands on that looks interesting.

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    1. Re:Everything by SubComdTaco · · Score: 1

      I agree, don't hold back. Give each of them a set amount of money for books/graphic novels, then go with them to the book store and see what they pick out, where their interests lie. Now with this information you can make meaningful future suggestions.

    2. Re:Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite everything...I'd stay away from Piers Anthony if I were you - especially his Bio of a Space Tyrant. It's full of rape and brutality from start to finish.
      On a positive note, John Wyndham is a little dated but well worth a read.

    3. Re:Everything by raddan · · Score: 1

      My advice would be, don't hold back.

      I'm going to second that. The best thing to do would be to lead them into the library and help them choose their own books. I had a voracious appetite for reading when I was a kid, and it was fueled by pretty much anything I could get my hands on. I was especially fond of Asimov, Clarke, and Bradbury, but I also read the Hardy Boys, Encyclopedia Brown, Shel Silverstein, Judy Blume books, Discover Magazine, Popular Science, and so on. I also had some juvenile illustrated editions of classics like The Tell-Tale Heart and The Count of Monte Cristo. One of my favorite reads was an old set of science encyclopedias I acquired for $1 during a library book sale.

      I often didn't really understand the things I was reading (as I've frequently rediscovered when I went back and reread stories I read as a kid), but that's fine-- developing the joy of reading is the important part. Unfortunately, I did not discover Heinlein until I was an adult, but his books would be good additions (especially Have Spacesuit, Will Travel), too. Oh, and make sure you discuss the books with your kids-- they'll probably generate a lot of questions during their reading, which is a habit you want to promote, especially if you want them interested in science and mathematics when they get older.

    4. Re:Everything by raddan · · Score: 1

      Oh, and I almost forgot-- The Chronicles of Narnia are pretty much mandatory for any kid. They're still favorites of mine, and I still periodically reread them. You can throw the Harry Potter series in there as well, which were not available to me as a child, but I think I would have enjoyed them immensely.

    5. Re:Everything by mcgeeb · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Not only that, but if things do go over their head they'll appreciate it more when they re-read them later in life (as it sounds like you did).

    6. Re:Everything by jd · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't say everything. "A Clockwork Orange" and the Gor series are probably not suitable for most pre-teens (even though Amazon has the former on the pre-teen recommended reading list - I didn't bother looking much after that). I say most, because everyone is different and there may well be pre-teens who are intellectually and emotionally mature enough that these are acceptable. I won't rule out the possibility, I just don't think it very likely.

      However, there are plenty of books which are edgy, intellectually demanding, and which push the reader to the limits which are ENTIRELY suitable and should be encouraged. Indeed, I would argue that if a novel can be read just once with everything gleaned from it, it wasn't worth the read. But what is challenging? Even advanced readers won't get everything they can out of a single read of, oh, Rab C. Nesbit's classic stories, because there are nuances that are subtle, but it's hardly something you'd give to a modern, sophisticated 12 year old - if you intend to live. Chances are, the kid could claim justifiable homicide, too. Hey, those're well-written stories, but not for that age-group and not for these times.

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    7. Re:Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with this. Sure, as a kid I didn't grasp everything in some Sci-Fi stuff, but the general plot comes through for sure. And of course, when they get a little older and reread them they will understand and appreciate them even more.

    8. Re:Everything by hardie · · Score: 1

      I agree. A couple of suggestions that a quick glance didn't show (@143 comments):
      Charles Sheffield has a handful of juvenile fiction (which is pretty good if you're adult, too):
      The Billion Dollar Boy
      The Godspeed Drive
      Putting Up Roots
      The Cyborg from Earth
      Higher Education

      Anything by James Schmitz (which has *all* recently been re-issued in compilations--buy them all).

      The Gandalara Cycle by Randall Garrett and Vicki Heydron (5-6 books, the first is The Steel of Raithskar). Giant (ride-able) telepathic cats.

      Anything Heinlein. Don't be your parents--be the people your parents warned you against.

      Steve

    9. Re:Everything by Keill · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with this - I actually started out by reading Nicholas Fisk and Douglas Hill books at Primary school, (I'm in the UK), which is probably a bit younger than the ages we're looking at here, and it was those two that got me interested in sci-fi and after that I moved straight into Asimov - (Foundation and Robot stories) - Heinlein (my dad had a big collection of his) - and Clarke...

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    10. Re:Everything by ender- · · Score: 1

      Not quite everything...I'd stay away from Piers Anthony if I were you - especially his Bio of a Space Tyrant. It's full of rape and brutality from start to finish.

      I agree, you have to be careful with Anthony. As a young teen I read the Mode series, starting with "Virtual Mode". It was pretty shocking to me at the time how much he went into the main character's [12yrs old] suicidal tendencies [wrist slitting] and sex.

      Not that they were bad books, just be aware of what you're getting into, or letting the kids get into.

    11. Re:Everything by Blibblob · · Score: 0

      I also agree. I don't think there's an age limit on good literature. Note good literature, sex novels are not a good idea because they just suck as well as are inappropriate. The whole appeal of Science Fiction to me is that there's multiple levels of depth, on the surface there's the story which is good for all ages and intellect. But with the greats of the the genre you also get intellectual babble to think about if you read far enough in. That's the biggest problem I have with most old classics, there's hardly ever a good story there, just the contemplation of society and life, which can get boring. I first read Dune in elementary school and was hooked on the story and whatever insights I could get from it at that age. Then I read it again when older and got more out of it, and then again when even older. Though if you're not big on open sexuality, then the last few books in that series are not for kids, my parents didn't know that, since they don't read; good experience for me. But the general idea is that pretty much any sci-fi book you grab will be good for any age and even better for a re-read. I would advise not holding them back on these things because you don't think they're intellectually mature enough, they'll get there by reading them.

    12. Re:Everything by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Now that we're off the scifi track, I'd add Momo by Michael Ende (who wrote Neverending Story, which really is a good book too). A few years back I picked up a used copy, and having read it as an adult, I regret never having heard of it as a kid.

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    13. Re:Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Don't play the "oh, they're too young" game. Look at the TV programs you probably let them watch. They can handle most of the science fiction out there. ;)

      I read 1984 in 4th grade (which was in fact the year 1984 for me). I didn't die.

    14. Re:Everything by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      Word. There's a lot of stuff I wish I had read earlier in life, when I still had time to read, and to dream.

    15. Re:Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a 50-something who cut my Sci-Fi teeth on Asimov, Clark and Heinlein. One thing that consistently angers me is how 'adults' continually underestimate our kids. I know one youmg woman, who at the age of 15 was running a web development business and making far more than the national average. (She also learned early about paying incometaxes in 2 countries, 2 states and one Canadian provincee). I know another who started a very unique business at 14, one which now, 15 years later, employes a couple of hundred people. Both got their start reading things that might have seemed "hard".
      When I was in 3rd grade my teacher had a supply of non-juvenile books in the classroom. In particular I remember "Sinking of the Titanic and Great Sea Disaster" printed in 1915. I got interested in it because of the "Time Tunnel" TV series of the time. Definitely NOT a book that would make anyone's 'recommended list' for pre-teens, but I was fascinated. Don't worry about the material being over the kids heads. Either they will like it or not. Far mor likely they will enjoy real stories than predigested pap. Then again, I loved Heinleins juveniles, and especially Asimov robot stories. Snce I work as a controls engineer in manufacturing, you might say they started me on my career path.

    16. Re:Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, thanks for the recommendation!

  30. 1632 series by Eric Flint by azazrael · · Score: 0

    The 1632 series by Eric Flint - alternate history - politics but a history lesson also - many in series can be can be downloaded for free fron Baen books http://www.baen.com/library/

  31. MYTH Adventures series by GuanoTO · · Score: 2

    Robert Aspirin's Myth Adventures books, the first 3 are: Another Fine Myth Myth Conceptions Myth Directions Quite funny, lots of pun names and general hilarity. Terry Pratchett's Disk World novels are also very funny, with lots of "play on word"s to keep a young mind on its toes (so to speak)...

    1. Re:MYTH Adventures series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember a few passages from the myth book dealing with the villians dead sister that def would not be appropriate for a you reader.

    2. Re:MYTH Adventures series by GuanoTO · · Score: 1

      And yet, I started reading them as a pre-teen. I did not then, nor do I feel now, that the three Myth books I referenced are inappropriate for the age group.

    3. Re:MYTH Adventures series by arcum42 · · Score: 1

      A couple paragraphs? One line, said by the main villain, in a way that it is clear that he is completely mad:

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          He gestured absently and the inn door slammed shut.

            There was a sudden ripple of dull clunks behind me, and I realized the room doors were locking themselves. We were sealed in! All of us.

            "I don't believe I've had such a good time since I made love to my week-dead sister."

            Isstvan's voice was still jovial, but it struck an icy note of fear within me. I realized that not only was he a powerful magician, he was quite insane.
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      That's it. Total. I still think a young reader would be up for it. Though I seem to remember that the books that really got me into reading would have been "R is for Rocket" and "S is for Space", by Ray Bradbury.

  32. Van Vogt, Russell by shoor · · Score: 4, Informative

    I mostly bring up old-timers because they're the ones I read when I was young. Asimov's Robot novels like "Caves Of Steel" might be more appealing than the Foundation stuff. Heinlein wrote a lot of juveniles. I've read that "Starship Troopers" was supposed to be a juvenile but it was deemed to rough by the editors and re-marketed as adult. However, "Double Star" is a good juvenile by Heinlein.

    In the old days, Sci-Fi was mostly short stories, go find good anthologies! The Science Fiction Hall Of Fame anthology of the best science fiction stories is a good place to start.

    Other recommendations would be "Voyage Of The Space Beagle" by Van Vogt, "Wasp" by Eric Frank Russell.

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  33. How far pre-teen? by east+coast · · Score: 1

    I don't know how young you mean but I think that Dream Park is a great introduction to Larry Niven... I would think they should be in their mid-teens though...

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  34. Piers Anthony by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Might be a little early for them, but the Xanth series was great. Kind of silly fantasy humor, though there is a little bit of sexual content as I recall (nothing that a teenager can't handle).

    My dad gave me a copy of A Spell for Chameleon as I recall the first book of the series was titled. I was about 13 or so at the time and that series reintroduced me to books at a time I had started to grow away from reading for fun.

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    1. Re:Piers Anthony by doas777 · · Score: 1

      I remember being a touch titillated by anthony's work at about that age. My first instinct is to leave him till the reader is 12 or so, but it depends on the kid.

    2. Re:Piers Anthony by rodney+dill · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Xanth series really got my daughter hooked on reading. I'd read 10-12 of the series when I was in College (all that were available at that time) and she's blown through the 30+ books that are now part of the series.

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    3. Re:Piers Anthony by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      Macroscope has less sexuality than some of his other works and is a pretty good story to boot. In comparison, some of his works like the "Cluster" series have a good dose of erotic content. I especially recall one species that had a ball for a foot with intercourse consisting of rolling over one another's slime trails. Each of the various galactic cultures reflect its method of procreation with the humans described as a "thrust" culture!

    4. Re:Piers Anthony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been reading these to my kids (now 11 and 13). We're up to "Swell Foop", so at about a chapter per night we've been doing this for a while.

      The kids really enjoy them and they're not a bad read for an adult.

    5. Re:Piers Anthony by bintech · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with GodfatherofSoul. The Xanth series has by far got to be one of the most creative series made with its play on words within the Sci Fi/Fantasy genre. Things like a Nightmare ( a horse that only runs around at night delivering bad dreams ) The Brain Coral ( Smart being ), Catapult ( Cat who can hurl objects with its tail ), or the Yaks ( who never shutup ) I think your boys will certainly have fun with these series and definitely give it a huge 2 thumbs up :)

    6. Re:Piers Anthony by Lewie · · Score: 1

      I liked the series where Death, Fate, Time, etc. are personified. I am slapping myself because I can't remember the name of the series, but the first book was about Death, Time was #2 I think, and the last two (6&7) were Satan and God.

      These and Xanth are especially good because they don't aspire to literature, which I think is better appreciated a few years later. Better off saving Heinlein, Card (Orwell, Huxley) until there is a bit of personal context.

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    7. Re:Piers Anthony by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      I remember this series as well. Kind of a futuristic setting with Gods personified. I think I read that whole series as well. On a Pale Horse, about Death, is the only title I can recall. I remember his other series being a bit heavier on the sexual content which is why I left it out.

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    8. Re:Piers Anthony by johndmann · · Score: 1

      I definitely agree to Piers Anthony being wonderful! But I wouldn't give anything outside of the Xanth-based books to anyone under 13. Some of his works, like Bio of a Space Tyrant, I would wait a bit later as well, 15-16 I'd say.

      The Xanth series itself is ginormous and is relatively harmless. Enjoyed everything Piers had to offer in my teens.

      I really, really, really loved L.E. Modesitt, Jr.'s Magic of Recluse series... Man, good times!

      OH, and Larry Niven's Ringworld was very dear to me as well.

    9. Re:Piers Anthony by Samizdata · · Score: 1

      That would be the Incarnations of Immortality series. Started with On A Pale Horse (Death) in high school. The Incarnations were actually mortals that inherited their positions from the prior holders. I have not read the latest (all of them listed here. They can be a little mature in places.

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    10. Re:Piers Anthony by BearRanger · · Score: 1

      I read these as well. The "Incarnations of Immortality" series:

      "On A Pale Horse" (Death)

      "Bearing an Hourglass" (Time)

      "With a Tangled Skein" (Fate)

      "Being a Green Mother" (Nature)

      "Wielding a Red Sword" (War)

      "For Love of Evil" (Evil)

      "And Eternity" (Good)

      I found them very enjoyable, but I think I was around 15 at the time.

    11. Re:Piers Anthony by callmetheraven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I preferred the Catastrophe over the Catapult! But I think that Anthony got kinda lazy after Centaur Aisle, I don't think he put a lot of thought into the books that follow, just cashed in on the franchise. And the puns get agonizing from about Ogre Ogre on... Compare what a great book Castle Roogna is VS, say, Golem in the Gears...

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    12. Re:Piers Anthony by Quantus347 · · Score: 1

      Piers' Incarnations of Immortality is really good, in a pun filled way like Xanth was

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  35. These... by Monkey_Genius · · Score: 1

    Asimov
    Clarke
    Elison
    Niven

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    1. Re:These... by Samizdata · · Score: 1

      Ellison? Interesting choice, but keep them away from the Dangerous Voices series he edited.

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  36. Try short stories by shadowofwind · · Score: 1

    For non-dark full length novels, I remember liking Rendezvous with Rama by Clarke. And I think lots of Robert Silverberg stories were OK, though none stick in my head.

    All of my favorites were dark though. All-time favorite was novella The Fifth Head of Cerberus by Gene Wolfe.

    Maybe one way to go is short stories - easier to hold their attention than full-length novels, and it gives them a chance to find out what they like. Brian Aldiss had some good short stories, though I suppose a lot of them are somewhat dark. And of course there's lots of treasury collections that have interesting stuff in them.

  37. Ursula Le Guin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    other suggestions:

    Diana Wynne Jones: Howl's Moving Castle
    William Sleator : Interstellar Pig, Singularity, House of Stairs.
    Joan Vinge: Psion (Cat trilogy), etc.

  38. Harry Potter, of course by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No doubt Slashdot is full of Harry Potter haters. I was one, too, until I actually read the entire series last month. It's still not exactly my cuppa, but it's an incredibly well-crafted work of fantasy fiction for young adults. The first couple of books are pure wish-fulfillment, which will appeal to any pre-teen. The books are too long for young readers to make it through all of them back to back, though, so by the time they get around to the later volumes, they will be just the right age to appreciate the darker aspects and more complex themes of the series's conclusion.

    Unfortunately, most kids will probably just watch the movies.

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    1. Re:Harry Potter, of course by scott792283 · · Score: 1

      Same here, though I read them a year or so ago. Good story (completely ripping off LOTR, Worst Witch and other books probably), and presented in an attractive way. JK lies though... she didn't plan it all from start to finish, otherwise every book wouldn't introduce something completely new and unheard of before. The films aren't bad, but generally films rarely live up to the book.

    2. Re:Harry Potter, of course by russellh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I read the entire Harry Potter series to my seven year-old daughter. She *loved* it, and even though we've seen the first few movies, she likes the books much, much better. So much more detail in them, much more involving.

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    3. Re:Harry Potter, of course by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      JK lies though... she didn't plan it all from start to finish, otherwise every book wouldn't introduce something completely new and unheard of before.

      Sure it would! That was one of the things that kept the series interesting for me. After the first two I began to detect a pattern: sorting hat, first day of class, Christmas, birthdays ... every year was starting to seem the same. Only then she started throwing us curve balls.

      Besides, she never said she had the whole thing plotted out on paper, the way George Lucas claimed to. I think she said she had the last chapter of "Deathly Hallows" completed somewhere during the writing of "Order of the Phoenix." But that's just the absolute end of the story, though -- I've read interviews where she claims to have purposely left lots of interesting details to "reveal themselves" as she went along. Otherwise, she said, it would just be too dull to write the damn things if she knew absolutely everything in advance. She was often pretty distraught to have to kill off certain characters, too, but said that's just the way the story seemed to be heading.

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    4. Re:Harry Potter, of course by scott792283 · · Score: 1

      It does make for a more interesting read book by book. It was just a side jibe really. I still think she'll be writing "Potter: The College Years". She'll milk it some more.... and I'll probably read it :(

    5. Re:Harry Potter, of course by oolon · · Score: 1

      There are so many better books to read first, the problem with JKR is after the initial success no editor dare edit the work, her novels would be great if half the length (and with less illiterations snape snuffied), by the end she is not telling a story she is recording the lives of the main characters. Personally I think you cannot go wrong with anything by Terry Pratchet and Douglas Adams and Pilip Pullman.

    6. Re:Harry Potter, of course by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      by the end she is not telling a story she is recording the lives of the main characters.

      Actually, I think that's her major innovation. So much fantasy fiction relies on generic stereotypes and faux-operatic melodrama. By contrast, Rowling's old, white-haired, bearded wizard is not Gandalf. Her protagonists aren't hobbits and they aren't the long-lost kings of an ancient race and they aren't kids at their magical old uncle's house; they're 21st century British schoolkids. The people they meet are ordinary folks in an extraordinary setting. They have feelings -- not all of which are worthy of fantasy heroes -- and family, and jobs. (Goblins! Actual goblins! And what do they do? They're clerks at a bank.) The lives of her characters are pointedly not the stuff of legend; rather, most aspects are quite ordinary.

      Rowling is sly about it, so that you don't realize it at first, but the main thrust of her narrative is that these ordinary kids manage to enter a world of magic and mystery -- and in many aspects it's no different from our world. At first it seems like they're the luckiest kids in the world, but in reality, things are still hard for them. They still have problems to overcome, the respect of their elders to earn, friends to win, their first loves to deal with.

      In other words, the whole point of the books is chronicling the lives of the main characters. You, who have probably read too much stock fantasy fiction, just didn't get it. I bet young kids all get it, though.

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    7. Re:Harry Potter, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who gives a fuck what an obvious retard thinks? go fuck your precious harry potter books. fucking shitball. it's not even sci-fi. not that a fucking retard like you could understand the difference.

    8. Re:Harry Potter, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most kids will probably just watch the movies? Have you been living under a rock? It's kids reading those books, and surprising a lot of cynical adults. Maybe if some adults read non tech news now and then they would have already known that.

    9. Re:Harry Potter, of course by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think that's her major innovation....the protagonists... they're 21st century British schoolkids.

      The children in Narnia are 20th century British schoolkids. Yeah real innovative. Sure you can argue that Peter/Susan/Edmund/Lucy had some destiny in Narnia but the same could be said of Potter. And the children of Narnia started out, and ended up 20th century schoolkids. Eustace, and Jill were even less 'extraordinary' if such a thing were possible. As were Polly and Digory of The Magician's Nephew.

      And recall that Digory didn't fight the Witch, or defeat an army... his greatest challenge was to fetch an Apple, and his moment of greatest triumph? Resisting the temptation to steal one to save his dying mother. Its brilliant in its simplicity. And its moving in a way that Harry Potter just isn't.

    10. Re:Harry Potter, of course by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Actually, I plan on giving my kids the Potter books exactly as I got them: one to each birthday, starting at age 11.

      OK, my birthdays and the book release dates didn't synch up that exactly, but as a child I was never more than 2 years younger or older than little Harry Potter. I'd like my children to experience that.

    11. Re:Harry Potter, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 12 year old son never bothered to read the Harry Potter books, until this summer. Now he's blown through the entire series and in the middle of the last book. Discovering the back stories and details left out of the movies was a magical discovery. I'm sure the fact that he was grounded from all electronics for 3 weeks due to poor grades had nothing to do with his sudden interest in reading.

    12. Re:Harry Potter, of course by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      The children in Narnia are 20th century British schoolkids.

      It's the closest comparison, I'll admit; with the little wrinkle that I don't remember the schoolchildren in the Narnia books ever actually having to go to school. And even Narnia wasn't completely original; the Peter Pan story predated it by almost 50 years, and Lewis Carroll's books are even older.

      Were the Narnia books more "moving" than Harry Potter? It's hard for me to say. As I've said in one of the parents, Potter isn't really my cup of tea; but then again, as a 35-year-old, neither is Narnia. I remember that The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe moved me quite a lot as a young child. I doubt that I'd be able to recapture that feeling if I re-read it, however.

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    13. Re:Harry Potter, of course by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Kids are reading those books, but I think you're exaggerating to say that the audience reading them "is kids." Many young kids have them read to them by parents. And industry scuttlebutt says the real reason for Harry Potter's resounding success is because adults bought them for adult consumption, though I can't find any demographics to support that at the moment. Certainly the only piece of printed matter that a great many adults of my acquaintance were likely to read in recent years was the latest Harry Potter book. My disgust at that fact is one reason why I put off reading them myself.

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    14. Re:Harry Potter, of course by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Yeah, 7 seems to be a perfect age for the Harry Potter books. My older daughter can't get enough of them.

    15. Re:Harry Potter, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So there's finally a book that manages to encourage huge numbers of people who otherwise wouldn't read to be engaged in literature, and this disgusts you?

      You should consider adjusting your perspective.

    16. Re:Harry Potter, of course by vux984 · · Score: 1

      It's the closest comparison, I'll admit; with the little wrinkle that I don't remember the schoolchildren in the Narnia books ever actually having to go to school.

      On the other hand I don't remember the schoolchildren in Narnia ever doing anything supernatural. They were in an impossible magical world, and had extraordinary adventures, but remained far more ordinary than Harry Potter ever was.

      You have to be born into Harry Potter's world - otherwise you were just a poor oblivious muggle. But anyone of us could have gone to Narnia.

    17. Re:Harry Potter, of course by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Overall, I give the HP series about a B, maybe a B+. The first book was great for wish fulfillment, the second two were only so-so follow-ups. Things get better in book 4 (Goblet of Fire) which is one of the best of the series. There was a bit too much of "Harry and crew learn something that conveniently helps them later". Still things, plod along nice in 5 & 6.

      But the 7th and last book suffers from being crammed into a timeline of exactly one year. Some of the climaxes were either overly obvious or a bit iffy.

      So, it's a good series, but not a great series. And sometimes that's enough to hit the sweet spot of market acceptance.

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    18. Re:Harry Potter, of course by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      It disgusts me because they're childrens' books. If that's the only thing that can entice grown adults to read, it's a sad thing for our society.

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  39. HHGTTG and Ender's Game by The+Rizz · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is a good, easy read, and is what actually got me started reading Sci-Fi.
    Ender's Game is excellent, and while a little dark in places, it's no darker than most classic fairy tales.

    Also, if you're at all interested in getting them some fantasy books, two of the absolute best reads would have to be Clive Barker's The Thief of Always, and China Mieville's Un Lun Dun.

    1. Re:HHGTTG and Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course HHGTTG is a great book, but I fear the irony and sarcasm it uses may well be beyond a pre-teen reader. I'm sure it would have been beyond me at that age.

    2. Re:HHGTTG and Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got hooked on the Hitchhikers guide (have the green tongue guy tattooed on my arm now) when I was in middle school. While I don't believe I understood all of the humor when I was that young, it stuck with me to be a re-read multiple times over. Everytime I read it, I find something I somehow missed the last time.

    3. Re:HHGTTG and Ender's Game by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Brust's Jhereg books seem like they would be a lot of fun for a younger reader. They remind me of a fantasy action movie. Loads of both physical and magical violence, but the main character has to go through an ethical transformation during the series (I still need to read one or two, actually) and it's not just a hack and slasher. Swords, sorcery, familiars, assassins... it's got all the classic elements :)

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    4. Re:HHGTTG and Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would second The Thief of Always. It was my favourite book growing up and remains close to me.

    5. Re:HHGTTG and Ender's Game by Jager+Dave · · Score: 1

      If they can read the "Harry Potter" series, they can most certainly read "Ender's Game" (and the subsequent books). Orson Scott Card himself, in an article talking about frivolous lawsuits, compared the Potter series to the Ender series - young boy with extraordinary abilities, alienated by his family, gets shipped off to a school for similar children, etc, etc. You can see where the similarities are.

    6. Re:HHGTTG and Ender's Game by KBKarma · · Score: 1

      The Guide got me as well. I also had a soft spot for the Pern series (still do, actually). I'd recommend the Artemis Fowl books. They're wonderful for teens and above. Also, the Old Kingdom series by Garth Nix is an excellent series. The two previously-mentioned series are both mature and fun, so you can read them after they're done.

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    7. Re:HHGTTG and Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clive Barker's other stuff is a bit too adult oriented for kids, but *The Thief of Always* is amazing.

      Also have them check out the Uglies series by Scott Westerfeld and the His Dark Materials series. Both hold the reader to a high standard.

    8. Re:HHGTTG and Ender's Game by booch · · Score: 1

      I first read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy when I was about 12. I definitely recommend it, and think it would be appropriate at around that age. It's still my favorite book. (Snow Crash is a close second, but not age appropriate until about 17.)

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  40. Douglas Arthur Hill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Hill

    His books were some of the first sci-fi / fantasy books I read as a child. They're quick reads. The only downside is that I don't think any of them are in print. You may be able to find them at your local library though.

    Although the series goes down hill rapidly "Wizard's First Rule" by Terry Goodkind would be a pretty good ready for a 12 year old. Although, there is some graphic violence and adult concepts (rape, torture, etc...). I don't really have a good handle on what should be allowed at what age. I do remember reading "The Stand" before I could drive (I think 14).

  41. Twilight Series by Stephanie Meyer by kg4mxz · · Score: 1

    More of a fantasy series, but I definitely enjoyed it (ie couldn't put it down). Has a romantic element to it though, but a great read nonetheless.

  42. Burroughs + modern classics by smalloy · · Score: 1

    I have fond memories of reading Edgar Rice Burroughs' Mars series when I was about 11. Women in servitude, men fighting alien beasts with swords, political intrigue, betrayal. Everything a growing boy needed.

    More modern classics are also probably in order. Ender's Game, the Rama series, Armor, The Diamond Age, HHGTTG, etc. And don't automatically dismiss RAH's work because it's too political - that's part of what makes them good. While I wouldn't necessarily start a pre-teen off with the Lazarus Long I've-always-been-too-fond-of-Mom saga, I'd have no problem handing some of his earlier works to a similarly aged relative.

  43. Don't underestimate your kids! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you should let your kids decide for themselves if books like the Foundation Trilogy are "too dry". I personally liked more sophisticated, intellectually challenging books by that age. It's a real tragedy that kids are often confined to dumbed-down, "age-appropriate" books. Of course, telling them that "these books might be too advanced for you" might be exactly the right thing for encouraging them to read more.

  44. Necroscope! by conteXXt · · Score: 1

    Brian Lumley's amazing fantasy series about psychic warfare and AWESOME vampires. Might want to wait until you catch them laundering their own sweat socks though.

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  45. Asimov's Norby series by ryder · · Score: 1

    Start with "Norby, the Mixed Up Robot". I remember reading these when I was pretty young and loved them.

    1. Re:Asimov's Norby series by kalirion · · Score: 1

      Norby is exactly what I was going to suggest. I'd only read the first few though so I don't know if they stay good or not.

  46. Sword of Truth by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

    The Sword of Truth Series by Terry Goodkind is very good in my opinion. In each book the theme varies from Critical Thinking (book 1) to objectivism (book 6). Some of the books are extremely preachy (books 5 and 7) and dull IMHO.

    However, the first 3 books are easy to read, and carry a message that I think is very pro-science. However, that is hidden from younger readers I would think.

    I think that teens interested in Fantasy would devour at least the first 2 books.

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    1. Re:Sword of Truth by mycroft822 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, just warn them that once they get past #4 it's a waste of time. They will figure it out for themselves eventually though. I seriously skip several pages at a time in the last few books because the author gets so redundant and long winded.

    2. Re:Sword of Truth by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      To be quite honest when I got further into the series I was wondering whether I was reading fiction or anti-communistic propaganda.

      Another issue I had with the series is that the hero is so goddamn perfect all the time. I like my heroes human and flawed, thank you.

      Maybe that's the reason I like Colin Hobb so much. Her characters are just as flawed as real people, sometimes annoyingly so. Would seem pretty suitable for a younger audience too. No preaching, interesting concepts and storylines, and what sex and violence there is is described in a non-shocking manner from what I can tell.

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    3. Re:Sword of Truth by kalirion · · Score: 1

      I don't think pre-teens would be interested in all the rape though.

      As far as fantasy goes, I'd suggest David Eddings' Belgariad/Malloreon for the lil' ones.

  47. Leiber and Schmitz by mjc_w · · Score: 1

    Leiber - Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser - Enjoyable sword and sorcery.

    Schmitz - The Telzy Amberdon stories - especially good for girls.

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  48. LeGuin & L'Engle by More+Trouble · · Score: 1

    Earthsea & A Wrinkle in Time, et al.

    1. Re:LeGuin & L'Engle by dzelenka · · Score: 1

      At 53, I still have memories of A Wrinkle in Time. I think I read it in 5th grade.

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    2. Re:LeGuin & L'Engle by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 1

      I'll second both. I read both in 5th grade, and I am now 39. I came into this thread specifically to mention A Wrinkle in Time , and found that it had already been mentioned in the parent post, so I'll just second and add some info about it. Actually, it's now a "third," not a "second," because another person already posted a reply to the PP. That person also read A Wrinkle in Time in 5th grade, but it looks like that was 14 years before I read it in 5th grade. Anyway, parents, despite the trouble Ms. L'Engle had getting the book published in the early 1960s, once it was published, it eventually won a Newbury Medal, a Sequoyah Award, and a Lewis Carroll Shelf Award, and was runner-up for a Hans Christian Andersen Award. I also read two other books by L'Engle based on the same characters: A Wind in the Door and A Swiftly Tilting Planet. There's apparently a 4th book in that series, plus another series involving the children of two of the characters from the original series.

      The Earthsea series has also won a number of awards, including a Nebula Award, a Newbury Silver Medal, a National Book Award for children's books, and a Lewis Carroll Shelf Award. Plus there's more good LeGuin stuff for them as they get older...

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    3. Re:LeGuin & L'Engle by Katalyst23 · · Score: 1

      I second the Earthsea series and in addition recommend LeGuin's "The Lathe of Heaven". I didn't read it till I was 18 or 19 though, I'm not sure if younger kids would enjoy it or just be weirded out by it.

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    4. Re:LeGuin & L'Engle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At 53, I still have memories of A Wrinkle in Time. I think I read it in 5th grade.

      Keep your memories - don't go back and read it again.

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  49. Here's some that got me started, decades back. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's some that got me started, back in the late 50s. They are all quite accessible to a young reader:

    Eric Frank Russel's _Wasp_ (Also good: _The Space Willies_ A.K.A. _Next of Kin_)
    Murray Leinster's Med Ship series.
    Hal Clemmet's _Needle_ (A.K.A _From Outer Space_)
    Heinlein's _Red Planet_
    George O. Smith's _Space Plague_ (A.K.A. _Highways in Hiding_) and _Venus Equilateral_ (though the latter is quite dated, using vacuum tube technology.)

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    1. Re:Here's some that got me started, decades back. by arcum42 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, Med Ship is available for free.

  50. Foundation by mrsam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Foundation" is not "too dry". The best thing you can do for your kids is to give them reading material -- sci-fi or any other genre -- that challenges their mind, and makes them think.

    Before Foundation, though, get them started on three Robot novels, then the seven Foundation books. After they're done with Asimov, give them the three Lord Of The Rings books. I read all three LOTR in my early teens, in high school. They weren't "too dry", in the least. I loved them. I had no problems with it, and English isn't even my native language.

    Don't be afraid to challenge your kids. Challenging reading material is very good brain food. Other suggestions:

    * The first three Mars books, by Edgar Rice Burrows. Some of that (mostly the first book) is a bit dated, and a bit bizarre (everyone on Mars walks around naked, and Martian women lay eggs). But, once you get passed the weird stuff, it's great pulp.

    * War of the Worlds, by HG Wells

    * A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's court, by Mark Twain. Yes, it's sci-fi/fantasy.

    That should be enough to last until next year. Come back then for more stuff to suggest.

    1. Re:Foundation by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Honestly I found Foundation and Foundation and Empire rather dry. I've also been thinking about continuing with the series because I enjoy the concepts, serious questions: are they all written in the manner of the originals? Is there anymore Hari Seldon stuff?

    2. Re:Foundation by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      The best thing you can do for your kids is to give them reading material -- sci-fi or any other genre -- that challenges their mind, and makes them think.

      I'd say the best thing you can do for you kid is to read the book at the same time that they do, then discuss the themes in it.

      I have a much deeper appreciation for 1984, Ender's Game, The Martian Chronicles, Fahrenheit 451 and a few other books, because I read them in school and the teacher explained the deeper issues being portrayed.

      My suggestion would be to pick up any Sci-Fi/Fantasy that there is a Cliffs Notes (or similiar publication) for and start there. You might even learn a thing or two yourself. Reading can be fun and a learning experience.

      Oh, and buy short story compilations.
      They're light weight and fun to read, especially "best of" compilations.
      You can find those going back decades, for next to nothing, from a variety of publishers.

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    3. Re:Foundation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enough for 6 months, 18 books? That does not seem like enough. If your local library has a decent children's section and librarians, I would recommend asking them. This is what my library recommended http://www.lakeforestlibrary.org/greatscience07.html http://www.lakeforestlibrary.org/greatscience2.html
      However, I had moved out of the children's section by around 3rd grade and read whatever seemed interesting in the adult sci fi section. This did lead to finding some books with potentially objectionable sections, ie Dhalagren or some L. Ron Hubbard books, but I doubt any of this did me harm.

    4. Re:Foundation by bradkittenbrink · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything you said.

      However, in case o2binbuzios doesn't believe you that Foundation is not too dry, etc...

      I started reading Asimov with the I Robot short stories. They are what got me interested in the rest of Asimov. They are completely approachable and will almost certainly inspire interest in the Robot and Foundation novels.

      I have recently come to believe that the short story is in some ways the ideal medium for scifi. By that, I don't mean that it's a replacement for the novel, but merely that it does some amazing things that novels can't. A year ago I read through The Collected Stories of Arthur C Clarke. I had mostly stuck to novels since I was about 14, but this completely renewed my childhood wonder with the genre. I don't can think I can describe it adequately, but there's really nothing like the adventure of being thrown headlong into a completely new universe every 5-20 pages.

    5. Re:Foundation by mrsam · · Score: 1
      ... yes. Hari Seldon disappears for a while, then reappears in the "prequel" Foundation books (that were the last ones written by the good Dr.).

      ... and no. The first Foundation book is really a collection of shorter stories that Asimov serialized in the monthly pulp magazines, of that time. The later books were complete, overarching stories that were published a book at a time.

      Also, Hari Seldon is just a minor player, that was a bit in the focus in the first book. There's plenty of

    6. Re:Foundation by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      I'd say the best thing you can do for you kid is to read the book at the same time that they do, then discuss the themes in it.

      You mean like an exam or something? Seriously, let the kid think for himself, let him discover ideas by himself, don't try to guide his fantasies. That's the best thing someone can do. If the kid wants to talk with you about something he read, be there, I guess, but I seriously doubt the kid will want to do that (with his parents). When I was a kid, reading was my escape, it was a way for me to grow up (as in learning to be self-sufficient). It was the time when I didn't have to follow advice or learn and interpret things the way other people wanted me to do. That's why I loved reading so much. I certainly would have read a lot less if it was another "listen to your parent" thing.

    7. Re:Foundation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second the Robot books. Perfect sci-fi for this purpose really.

      I'd give them The Hobbit before the LotR series though.

    8. Re:Foundation by EPAstor · · Score: 1

      As for Connecticut Yankee - I can't second this one strongly enough. Sci-fi & fantasy, with some wonderful play with the story. It'd probably help if they knew at least a bit of the King Arthur myths first, though.

    9. Re:Foundation by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Foundation's subject matter might be kind of dry, but remember that the original three books were compiled from a bunch of shorter pieces that appeared in science fiction magazines. As such, they spell it out to you in easily-digestible chunks. The overall writing style is accessible, also.

      I was first introduced to Foundation by a Caedmon audiobook of the first part of the first book, ready by William Shatner. I was probably a young teenager at the time, but it left a definite impression on me.

      Agreed with the other poster who recommended against anything after the first three, though. I really wanted to like the later stuff as a teenager, but as the years have rolled on I have to admit that it all just left a bad taste in my mouth. Everything from the characters, to the plots, to the overall themes were lacking compared to the originals.

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    10. Re:Foundation by xtracto · · Score: 1

      I agree that the Foundation Books would be great... I love them.

      However, I think that the *best* book to start is the "I Robot", for two reasons. First, the book is a collection of short stories. Therefore your kids won't get bored after reading the first N pages. This was one of the reasons I love this book. It really got me reading after having stopped reading novels for about 5 years.

      Secondly, the book is friendly for kids. You have the two heroes doing some things to save the day. After some of the novels, you have more elements and characters (like the beautiful Dr. Susan Calvin) are introduced, but by that time your kids won't be able to put the book down.

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    11. Re:Foundation by xtracto · · Score: 1

      You mean like an exam or something? Seriously, let the kid think for himself, let him discover ideas by himself, don't try to guide his fantasies.

      No way! I know what GP is getting at. It is similar to as when you go to the movies and after watching The Matix (or LOTR, or whatever you like) with your friends, you go out and like to talk about it.

      My father did that with my brother and I. Several of the books we started to read, my father had read before. And because we also used to travel a lot (camping and such kind of things), we used to talk a lot in the car while my dad or mom were driving.

      It was really good to be able to talk about my thoughts on the books. My brother and my father shared more "detective" or war novels like Black Hawk down, Tom Clancy stuff and Jack Higgins, while I shared more Science Fiction stuff like Isaac Asimov, Arthur C Clarke, etc.

      That's why I loved reading so much. I certainly would have read a lot less if it was another "listen to your parent" thing.

      Funny, the reason I loved talking about the stories with my parents was *because* it meant time interacting with my father, besides of the father-son typical interaction (school,eat,afternoon-school,tv,nintendo,dinner,bed).

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    12. Re:Foundation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, please.

      Even Asimov *himself* said foundation was a quarter million words where nothing really happened, people just talked.

  51. Heinlein has some of the all time best... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Recommend the following:

    "Time for the Stars"

    &

    "The Red Planet"

    Also, the shorts "Green Hills of Earth" are pretty good and I think they're mostly decent for kids.

  52. If they're avid readers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have them read something outside sci-fi.

    Turns out there's a lot of pretty good books in the world that aren't in the sci-fi/fantasy genre. Maybe they'll even grow up just a little bit cultured.

    1. Re:If they're avid readers... by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      I think people worry a bit too much about what people read, when in reality, it's the very act of reading that we should be encouraging. There are plenty of reasons to read almost anything: vocabulary building, knowledge of action and consequence, ethical drama (often intertwined with action and consequence: how do "ethical" outcomes compare with "unethical" ones?), observing character progression, and, perhaps most importantly, because establishing reading as a fun activity ensures that a person will read in the future (not just books, too - reading in general).

      How do we do it in primary school? We push a collection of "classics" that children would really not care to read upon them, then we enforce this reading by giving tests on the material. Years later, we wonder why so many people hate reading.

      I am a voracious reader. I've filled two very large bookcases and I'm working on a third. I've probably covered all of the major literary categories by now. It wasn't some collection of classics that I cut my teeth on, however; it was Nintendo Power magazine. The classics came afterwards, and of my own volition.

  53. give 'em all of it by BootNinja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ringworld, Snowcrash, Cryptonomicon, The Hobbit, LOTR, Harry Potter, Odd Thomas, Dragonlance (the stuff written by Weiss and Hickman, not the 3rd party crap), Star Trek novels, Sword of Truth, A Game of Thrones, Neuromancer is pretty edgy, but a great read. My younger brothers absolutely loved a series called Animorphs. When I was about 12 I really enjoyed Swiss Family Robinson. Maybe throw in some classics like Frankenstein and Dracula. H.G. Wells Time Machine, Gulliver's Travels, Around the World in 80 days, Dune

    I would also second the suggestions of Card's early work. Ender's Game, Songmaster, The Shadow Series, The first few Alvin Maker books are good. I would definitely get them to read Pastwatch: the Redemption of Christopher Columbus.

    You also can't go wrong with comics. There's a lot of really good stuff in trade paperback these days. You can introduce them to Marvel's Ultimate lines; Ultimate Spiderman, Ultimate Fantastic Four, etc. These series start over and reboot the universe. They will be more compelling for young readers because there isn't 40 years of continuity to sift through.

    I would also suggest giving them books that you enjoyed as a child, or even an adult. Just because something is edgy or political doesn't make it automagically inappropriate for a child. You can tell them to come to you with any questions, and you will end up raising a kid who's wise beyond his years, and that will serve the kid well as he gets older.

    1. Re:give 'em all of it by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 1

      I just want to reply and say that A Game of Thrones and Neuromancer are both quite inappropriate for pre-teens (especially Neuromancer). Maybe I'm just a bit prudish (and I love the A Song of Fire and Ice novels) but A Game of Thrones is way too overtly violent for kids that age. Neuromancer is pretty trashy actually (I'm not commenting on how well it is written or how good the story is; I'm just commenting on its content in case people haven't read it before).

    2. Re:give 'em all of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A Game of Thrones" is a really really bad suggestion for pre-teens. Like, holy shit, have you even read the books?

    3. Re:give 'em all of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neuromancer has depictions of sex, extremely heavy drug use, rape, incest. Probably not a good choice for the preteen.

    4. Re:give 'em all of it by maxume · · Score: 1

      The Ultimates may rate a little higher than pre-teen. Hank Pym beats his wife and then gets beat by the Captain, and Betsy is turned on by the Hulk eating people. And so on. I guess the Spiderman series is probably aimed a little younger, but probably closer to 14 than to 12.

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    5. Re:give 'em all of it by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Heh, I just finished reading Clash of Kings today and am halfway through Neuromancer. I totally agree with you though, there's some pretty intense stuff in the two Martin books I've read so far.

    6. Re:give 'em all of it by SpiritGod21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was practically raised by the DragonLance Saga (definitely Weis and Hickman, though don't avoid Knack's The Legend of Huma), which taught me a lot of my morals. Good guys wear silver armour, bad guys wear black. Honour and chilvary are paramount. Tears that honour life are OK, and we must never give up hope.

      I think I cracked my first DragonLance novel around the age of eight or nine. Definitely grade A fantasy for the younglings.

      As others have mentioned, McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern novels are all great, and Mercedes Lackey has a wide range of novels (The Free Bards is a good one for younger readers). I also recommend my wife's favourite, Diana Wynne Jones and the various Chrestomanci books. She read them as a child and we still read them. Diane Duane's Support Your Local Wizard is another great young adult fantasy novel.

      Rather than go on, feel free to check out the books in our library tagged as young adult and fantasy.

    7. Re:give 'em all of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second the parent's recommendation. You'll get a better idea of what books your sons like by exposing them to different authors and genre's. Plus if they are as avid readers as you suggest, they may be ready for more mature themes sooner than later. I read the LOTR for the first time in 4/5th grade.

      Books that they may like:

      Lloyd Alexander - The Black Cauldron series
      John Christopher - Tripod Series (Serialized in Boy's Life as a comic)

      Anne McCaffery - Pern Series. Several of them were aimed at children.

      Susan Clark's The Dark is Rising series.

      They may be a little young, but E.E. 'Doc' Smith's Lens-series might be enjoyable. 1930's style prose though.

      If your interest is to encourage their reading, series tie-in books (Battletech, Star Wars, Star Trek) may also work. The writing can be bad and the "science" information worse.

      It's a bit of a stretch, but I'd also recommend
      _Carry On Mr Bowditch_ by Jean Lee Latham and John O'Hara Cosgrave II - Historical work about Salem in the late 1700's. The major character was self-educated.

    8. Re:give 'em all of it by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I'd second the Dragonlance nomination for the fantasy catagory. Those books are great, and an easy enough read for pre-teens. For sci-fi I suspect most parents would not think Snowcrash nor Cryptonomicon would be age appropriate. However, Tad Williams has a four book series called "Otherland." It'd be a bit more of a challenge for a pre-teen reader than Dragonlance but should still be a good fit and a fun read.

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    9. Re:give 'em all of it by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Informative

      Snowcrash, Cryptonomicon, Sword of Truth and A Game of Thrones are all pretty poor suggestions for preteens.

      Snowcrash has a lot about cult prostitution, drug-use, and the odd bit of underage sex. Sword of Truth has bondage, sado-masochism, rape, and eating a child's testicles for magical power. A Game of Thrones includes rape, incest and prostitution. Cryptonomicon doesn't have anything really objectionable, but it's incredibly dense, and lacking in any sort of action that might interest preteens. Really, unless the kid is some sort of savant, they're probably not that interested in cryptography algorithms at 11.

      Don't get me wrong, I love A Song of Ice and Fire, and Snowcrash (and even Sword of Truth wasn't too bad for the first few books), but this is a thread about recommendations for kids, not listing your favourite sci-fi/fantasy novels.

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    10. Re:give 'em all of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can also recommend the Animorph series. Easy, quick reads that write about stuff that your average preteen scifi reader would like.

      Protagonists are given the ability to shape shift by a dying alien. They go on to fight a secret war (right here at home) for the survival of humanity.

      Also, A Billion Days of Earth by Doris Piserchia is a very obscure and very, very good book.

      Its 1 Billion days in the future - humans have become gods and evolved rats their puppets, unwittingly reenacting human civilization over thousands of years. Each and every character is an archetype. The book details the (pseudo cataclysmic) events causing humanity to finally leave Earth... primarily from the point of view of the rats.

    11. Re:give 'em all of it by BootNinja · · Score: 1

      yes, I have read the books. I guess I just have an odd idea of what is inappropriate for children.

    12. Re:give 'em all of it by BootNinja · · Score: 1

      bondage, sado-masochism, rape, and eating a child's testicles for magical power.

      hm... maybe I need to go back and re-read the series from the beginning. I honestly don't remember much of that.

    13. Re:give 'em all of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll second Ender's Game, as well as The Time Machine. Assuming you can find still find copies of the books, Animorphs is definitely a neat series.

    14. Re:give 'em all of it by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 1

      I'd second Frankenstein. It is a science fiction novel, in the sense that it is speculative fiction that evaluates the results of a dramatic technological innovation. In addition, it is riveting, full of action, and incredibly well written.

      Second, as another post mentioned, look at the classic short stories, especially the anthologies. See the "Science Fiction Hall Of Fame". You can't be a well-read science fiction person without having read things like "Nightfall" and "The Nine Billion Names of God".

      Finally, read the works of Harlan Ellison.

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    15. Re:give 'em all of it by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

      I'll throw in a third for the DragonLance series. Picking up the collection of DragonLance Chronicles was the first time I enjoyed reading as a child, and the first time I read a seriously long book (three books really) -- 1000+ pages. If I hadn't started on DragonLance, I'm not sure when I would have started reading for pleasure.

    16. Re:give 'em all of it by djp928 · · Score: 1

      Wow, seriously? In the first book alone, the female lead cuts off a man's testicles and force-feeds them to him, and the male lead spends a few hundred pages getting tortured and sexed up by a sexy, sexy dominatrix.

  54. Check your premises by mitch.swampman · · Score: 1

    If you're looking for your classic sci-fi to be apolitical, you're basically looking for bad science fiction. Wherever science fiction depicts the future, it comments on the present.

  55. Darkover! by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Informative
    One of Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover series, Star of Danger, is pitched at younger readers...and it could lead them into reading the whole series when they get a bit older. Couldn't put those books down.

    rj

  56. Some books I read when I was young by amstrad · · Score: 1

    A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
    Hitchhikers Guide (read when I was 10, I thought it was the best thing since the Thundercats)
    The White Mountains (Tripod trilogy) by John Christopher
    I see Ender's Game has alread been mentioned

  57. William Sleator by Aldryd · · Score: 1

    He doesn't seem to be as popular as other authors for young readers, but I really enjoyed reading books by William Sleator when I was in 6th or 7th grade. The first one I read was Strange Attractors, though I think my favorite was from him Interstellar Pig.

    1. Re:William Sleator by NoData · · Score: 1

      I was a big fan of William Sleator's when I was a kid. Unlike many of the books being suggested, Sleator's books are ACTUALLY for pre-teens, making them fun while at the same time exploring various mind-bending sci-fi paradoxes. Additionally, the central characters of his books are almost always regular, everyday kids who discover bizarre extra-natural phenomena or devices in this world (time machines, portals to parallel universes, etc.). I found this made the stories relatable and compelling. In addition to Interstellar Pig, I recommend the Green Futures of Tycho and Singularity.

    2. Re:William Sleator by CheckeredShirt · · Score: 1

      I absolutely agree with this recommendation. Interstellar Pig was a book that was read to my 4th grade class. I picked up House of Stairs on my own after that. They are both excellent for the pre-teen group.

      I also highly recommend Madeleine L'Engle's A Swiftly Tilting Planet (and the rest of that series). The target for this book is young but it discusses something so adult as folding space. To this day I remember the analogy for folding space in the book.

      I think that Foundation and Ender's Game are probably too much for a young adult even though they are fantastic books.

  58. And My List by tengu1sd · · Score: 1

    Bug Park by James Hogan.
    The Heinlein teen stories are dated, but I still enjoy them.
    Short story collections, Rod Serling, Alfred Hitchcock, Richard Matheson. Bonus points for movie tie ins with some kids.
    The Darkover books by Marion Zimmber Bradley. Some racey stuff in a few stories.
    A Spaceship for the King by Jerry Pournelle, great adventure yarn.
    Honor Harrington series by David Weber. Space opera updated and polished for today. You can't read just one.
    The Dragon series by Anne and Todd McCaffery of course.
    The High Crusade, by Poul Anderson.

    Plus 5 Karma bonus for getting the kids hooked on reading.

  59. Lots to choose from by germansausage · · Score: 1

    I gave my kid a stack of classics and let her pick. Farmer in the Sky, Lord of Light, Hiero's Journey, I Robot, The Stars My Destination, Voyage of the Space Beagle, Galactic Patrol, Swords Against Death, The Dying Earth. She is now plowing her way through all the Vorkosigan stories, and she wants Gray Lensman next. There is huge selection of great stories out there, if your kids develop a taste for Science Fiction and Fantasy they will never run out of books to read.

  60. A few very basic suggestions by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not a huge sci-fi reader, but also never really found what I read to be all that difficult.

    'Dune' is a great place to start out. I was never able to get through the sequals, but the original is a classic. Possibly a bit advanced and cynical, but definitely on the 'required reading' list. The Sci-Fi channel miniseries is also excellent.

    Another obvious recommendation is The Hitchhikers Guide series. They're easy, they're funny, and unfortunately not strictly sci-fi. Either way, I'd have a hard time thinking of reasons not to read something by Douglas Adams.

    On the fantasy end of things (more my tastes, and still closely related to SF), I'd strongly recommend His Dark Materials, LoTR (if you can manage to get through the first 250 pages), and anything by Terry Pratchett.

    If your sons have any interest in The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan, I'd highly recommend starting early, as the average lifespan of the typical human is only just barely long enough to cram them all in (I jest, but seriously.... if you follow the user-submitted reviews of the books on Amazon, the readers get fewer and angrier as the series goes on with seemingly no end in sight).

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    1. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Korbeau · · Score: 1

      About the Wheel of Time: it's an amazing read even though the story really wears out in the final volumes. It's sad that the author recently passed away as the upcoming 12th book was supposed to conclude the series. Brandon Sanderson is working on finishing it and I'm really wondering how they'll be able to close so many broad & ongoing plots in a single book. For that alone it will sure be an interesting read.

    2. Re:A few very basic suggestions by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      I second the Wheel of Time, I'm sure they're pretty intimidating though for the average pre-teen, they span like two feet of my bookshelf. Maybe get the audio book for the first one, the readers are really, really good if you ask me. If they like it, give them the second one and definitely the third. After that, just let them know they're about to start heading down a path (of daggers) where they will come to many crossroads (of twilight) and want to quit.

      If you're looking for a little lighter fantasy I would highly recommend the Book of Swords and the Book of Lost Swords by the also late Fred Saberhagen.

    3. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jordan died not too long ago. I guess they'll finish his series one of these days, but I'm not sure recommending someone start it now is such a hot idea. It might take them several more years to polish up a finish to that series.

    4. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, the Dune series is great for children... Does anyone else remember the band of hypnotizing dominatrices at the end of the series who use sex to graphically control men.

    5. Re:A few very basic suggestions by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My dad introduced me to science fiction by bringing home a "kid's" novel one day. I couldn't have been much older than eight or nine. I tore through it as quickly as I could, sneaking a flashlight under the covers to finish it. It was Tom Swift: The City in the Stars. As each new one came out, I'd spend my allowance on it (when I wasn't saving for a Lego set).

      I was hooked. I made it through the sixth book in the series before I tumbled to the fact that this wasn't the original series. At that point I became a regular at the library and checked out every Tom Swift book they had. That's how I learned about this "interloan" thing.

      I'd never been out of the kid's section before but I noticed that the library had this whole other back section that wasn't nonfiction, and wasn't kid's books. I walked back through it and to my amazement I discovered shelf after shelf full of fiction and a fair number of the books had the letters SF written in Sharpie on a label card on the spine. Magic!

      I decided to try out my first "Adult" science fiction novel and I thought robots were just the coolest thing (next to spaceships of course, but all decent science fiction had spaceships in it). Robots of Dawn had just arrived, and since the title sounded cool, I grabbed it from the returns rack. I became a lifelong fan of Isaac Asimov after the first chapter. I went back to the library and dug up as many books by him as I could find, not just his science fiction, but the Ellery Queen stories, his science books, as much as I could find in the library's catalog or through the interloan program.

      I began reading back issues of Astounding Science Fiction, Analog, Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine (IASFM!), and discovered other authors. Many of the story intros or commentaries in anthologies had mentioned this Dune novel, so I decided to check it out. I had to renew it because I couldn't read through it in three weeks (it was 1984, the same year the David Lynch movie was released... I was ten). It was a revelation.

      From there, Arthur C. Clarke, Robert Silverberg, Heinlein, Simak, Gordon R. Dickson, Phillip K. Dick, Sturgeon, Bradbury, Poul Anderson, Piers Anthony, Douglas Adams, C.J. Cherryh, Kim Stanley Robinson, Spider Robinson, Ursula K. Leguin, Joan D. Vinge, Vernor Vinge, and more, and more. But to understand all of these, I had to get their references, and so I began to dig into Dickens and Melville and Shakespeare. By the time I was in Junior High School, I was more widely read than just about any other kid in school.

      Don't sell your kids short thinking they're too young for Asimov. Granted, his writings are a gateway drug.

    6. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your sons have any interest in The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan, I'd highly recommend starting early, as the average lifespan of the typical human is only just barely long enough to cram them all in (I jest, but seriously.... if you follow the user-submitted reviews of the books on Amazon, the readers get fewer and angrier as the series goes on with seemingly no end in sight).

      This is especially true as the author died...

    7. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would recommend the parent read all three books in His Dark Materials before letting a pre-teen or teenager read them. The last book is very anti-Christian.

    8. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, Robert Jordan died earlier this year so his "Wheel of Time" series ends 11/13 books.

    9. Re:A few very basic suggestions by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

      Although I think Dune is a must read for every Science Fiction fan, I don't think it's all that great a place to start for these kids.. It's a great story, but a complicated read for someone these ages I think.. Actually the Foundation series is in my opinion less complicated, and easier reading.

      My personal progression was.. mysteries, then horror, followed by Sci-Fi at about age 16. My first Sci-Fi book was a collection of short stories.. and Dune was actually my second, which was picked because it was the thickest book I could find for a long bus trip.. Sci-Fi has been my favorite ever since.. although I like the occasional cross genera like Koontz.

      I think a collection of short stories would be a good choice.. perhaps Greg Bear.

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    10. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      umm it ends next book kinda has to since the final book is being ghost written in his name so the series is still ended despite his death several months ago

    11. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Arccot · · Score: 1

      I began reading back issues of Astounding Science Fiction, Analog, Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine (IASFM!), and discovered other authors.

      Just a reminder that some of these periodicals are still around, and still well worth reading. The shorter stories in a monthly means that a youngster can discover for themselves which authors or styles of SF they like.

    12. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Wheel of Time is the best series ever. *Moment of silence for Robert Jordan*
      The 12th and final book of the series should be out in the next couple of years. His wife and a colleague are going to finish it.

    13. Re:A few very basic suggestions by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Astounding became Analog, which is still around. You'll find your basic hard SF and space opera here, along with SF related science articles. IASFM was renamed (and relaunched if I recall correctly) as Asimov's Science Fiction. ASF content is a bit broader than Analog as you'll find more "speculative fiction" here (like alternate histories...). I have the current copies of each one on my desktop at home at the moment.

    14. Re:A few very basic suggestions by illmunkeys · · Score: 1

      The Wheel of Time is ending soon. Robert Jordan passed recently, and his wife and editors have nodded to an author (I forget his name) to use Jordan's very meticulous notes to finish the finale. It should be done by the time any teen could possibly read through all of Jordan's monstrosities.

    15. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I jest, but seriously.... if you follow the user-submitted reviews of the books on Amazon, the readers get fewer and angrier as the series goes on with seemingly no end in sight).

      Well, seeing how Robert Jordan died last year ... I'd say there is definitely an end in sight

    16. Re:A few very basic suggestions by slapmastered · · Score: 1

      I second the recommendation of "Wheel of Time" series...most kids actually will be able to absorb the series, particularly if they are as voracious a reader as you are giving them credit for.

      I disagree with the timetable on them, however...I went through the first 9 in the span of just over a summer...but I've been known to devour 100 pages in about an hour and a half...your reading rates may vary. I'm now anxiously awaiting the 12th and final novel...ghost-written by someone who was told the story by The Dragon himself, the old fashioned way; he became a gleeman for a very select audience just before he passed away.

      I was also delighted to see recommendations for Fred Saberhagen's "Book of Swords" and "Book of Lost Swords." My dad had both of those and I picked them up on a whim (my father's sci-fi/sci-fantasy collection is better than most public library's, and often better than bookstores...) at approximately 14, and promptly devoured them.

      I also recommend Piers Anthony, but not the Xanth novels after about 15...I'd put them on the "Incarnations of Immortality" series. Xanth is great...as long as you are SCAdian and can get some of the in-jokes about the Dark Horde...

      Terry Brooks also has several good novels appropriate for kids; I'd recommend the first "Shanarra" trilogy (Sword of Shanarra, Elfstones of Shanarra, and Wishsong of Shanarra) and his "Knight of the Word" trilogy; it's one of his more recent works (Running with the Demon, A Knight of the Word, and Angel Fire East) but a very good read indeed.

      If your kids lean more toward a fantasy bent (I happened to...) I'd also recommend Raymond E. Feist's "Riftwar Saga" It starts with "Magician: Apprentice" and "Magician: Master," and concludes the initial tetralogy with "Silverthorn" and "A Darkness at Sethanon"

      I think your kids should be exposed to everything that you can expose them to; to assume that they are not old enough to understand something may be underestimating their capacity to learn and grow. I am endlessly glad that my mother and father just pointed me at good books and let me go, with no pretense or explanation before I read the book. Of course, when your mother is a librarian, and your father has a collection of well over 1000 sci-fi/fantasy novels, you have a bit of a leg up on variety...

    17. Re:A few very basic suggestions by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      I fear I must disagree with a couple of your selections.

      I found it so difficult to get through Dune (boring!) that I never developed any need to even look at the sequels.

      Similarly, I think The Wheel of Time requires a longer attention span. Still, as a coming-of-age story, it still has its attractions. And think of it... when you're done with them, you can use them as blocks to help balance the motor-home!

    18. Re:A few very basic suggestions by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Similarly, I think The Wheel of Time requires a longer attention span.

      Now, there's an understatement if there ever was one :-)

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    19. Re:A few very basic suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your sons have any interest in The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan, I'd highly recommend starting early, as the average lifespan of the typical human is only just barely long enough to cram them all in (I jest, but seriously.... if you follow the user-submitted reviews of the books on Amazon, the readers get fewer and angrier as the series goes on with seemingly no end in sight).

      Actually, there is no end in sight, ever, seeing as Robert Jordan died of cancer before he could finish the last book.

    20. Re:A few very basic suggestions by robinsc · · Score: 1

      Tom swift - a name from my childhood . thre were at least three different series by this name probably by people writing under the pseudonyms of victor applegate I , II and III
      the three series are set quite a while apart in time too . the first is more hand cranked cars which the last is all silicon computers and man -robot prosthetics...

      Pre teen sci fi I personally like a series of books of which I remember the title of one as Crisis on Conshelf ten and earth dark by monica huges... pretty good sci fi , social statements and not too heavy.

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  61. Earthsea by Bob54321 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea novels + short stories are a fairly easy read. Also each is quite short. Can't remember anything in it that might not be suitable for younger children offhand.

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    1. Re:Earthsea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the Earthsea books would be a great idea to give kids for fantasy.

      The short stories though... a lot of them are good and most of them are definately thought-provoking, but I wouldn't give most of her short story collections to your kid until you've read them yourself and have prepared yourself to answer the questions your kid will invariably have about the tougher subjects (racism, slavery, sexuality, and so on. Sometimes all at once, and those are the stories that creeped me the hell out when I read them as an adult) in there.

  62. Feed by AlexisMachine · · Score: 1

    Feed by M.T. Anderson is some nice light reading.
    http://www.amazon.com/Feed-M-T-Anderson/dp/0763622591

  63. How 'bout some non-scifi? by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

    What's wrong with books that aren't sci-fi or fantasy?

    You do know there are other genres of books, some of which have even been around for centuries? They might even get "cultured" or something.

    1. Re:How 'bout some non-scifi? by Bob54321 · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with this whole heartedly. I read mainly horror with some fantasy when I was younger and have come to regret not delving into much classic literature. While some of the classic works will be incredibly dry to younger minds by today's standards, it is possible to find something of interest. The Hunchback of Notre Dame and the Phantom of the Opera are both reasonable.

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    2. Re:How 'bout some non-scifi? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Won't the kids likely get into the classics in high school?

    3. Re:How 'bout some non-scifi? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with books that aren't sci-fi or fantasy?

      What are you doing on Slashdot? :)

      Just kidding. I actually started to deliberately expand my reading spheres about 12 years ago, and found I loved Tom Clancy and Robert B. Parker, as well as other things. The more I tried of the 'classic' stuff (Hemingway, etc.), the more I found it was really not for me. But at least I tried.

    4. Re:How 'bout some non-scifi? by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      some of which have even been around for centuries? They might even get "cultured" or something.

      You're absolutely right! How could we have missed it? Add Jules Verne to the list!

      On a more serious note, there's plenty of other stuff out there that kids should be able to sit through, like the Iliad and the Odyssey, or Gulliver's Travels, or the Three Musketeers. Progressing more towards modern times we have H.G. Wells (who did more than just The War of the Worlds, for instance, The Invisible Man).

      In the middle there are the philosophers like Thoreau. If your kid's in Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts, I'd suggest handing them a copy of Walden, or if that's too boring (in which case I'd blame city-slicker troops that go camping once a year in only perfect weather at a pre-approved campground complete with plumbing), track down some volumes of the Foxfire Books.

      Or you could break out War and Peace and "culture" the kid upside the head with it.

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    5. Re:How 'bout some non-scifi? by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

      Or you could break out War and Peace and "culture" the kid upside the head with it.

      I know it was joke, but War and Peace is actually a pretty quick read, particularly once the war gets started; probably not adolescent material though. And if you're ever learning Russian, its prose is pretty simple.

  64. recomendation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i would recommend endars game

  65. On the fantasy side . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really enjoyed Birth of the Firebringer (Meredith Ann Pierce) when I was that age. Never read the sequels, though, so I can't speak for those.

  66. Valentine's Castle by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Interesting

    by Robert Silverberg. Gripping plot, accessible on several levels, no naughty words that I can recall.

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    1. Re:Valentine's Castle by Lil'wombat · · Score: 1

      If you ignore him sharing a woman with his best friend on the slopes of the big giant mountain.

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    2. Re:Valentine's Castle by sampson7 · · Score: 1

      Exactly why I loved Valentine's Castle at about 12. Is it "appropriate" in the adult sense of the word....? Perhaps not. But any 12 year old boy will enjoy re-reading a few of those scenes under the covers at night.

      What better way to intill a love of reading?

      PS - it's actually pretty tame. But at 12, I was willing to take whatever I could find!

  67. Now I feel old by SUB7IME · · Score: 1

    When I was a preteen, I read the science fiction classics - not because someone forced it on me, but because the books themselves drew me in. I won't push my kids to read books they're not interested in, but I certainly don't plan on feeding them whitewashed drivel, either.

  68. Star Wars by Denger256 · · Score: 1

    There is an entire line of star wars books for young readers. Here is a link to a list of them.

    1. Re:Star Wars by kstatefan40 · · Score: 1

      As an 18 year old, I can recommend the Jedi Apprentice series by Jude Watson. They are absolutely fantastic books to start with and can really get thought patterns down. Once they are comfortable reading that, and if they enjoy it, move them into Mathew Stover's writing. It is absolutely dark and political, but it is also amazing at getting someone to understand themselves and controlling their emotions. Although it is fiction, Stover really gets down to the fundamental level of human nature, and they will be valuable lessons to know growing up.

  69. His Dark Materials by Amy+Grace · · Score: 1

    I loved The Golden Compass when I was about 11. Actually, I still do. I don't know if it would have been as cool if I had seen the movie first though, cos the movie definitely didn't do the book justice. I'm sure the "Heavy Atheism" has been prominent enough in the media that anyone buying these books for their kids will know that already.

    DogsBody, by Dianne Wynne Jones, was pretty sweet too but it was kind of dark in the start.

    Ooh, and although I don't know if it's appropriate for kids, The Time Ships by Stephen Baxter is about the height of rad escapism. It's an authorized sequel of The Time Machine, I guess.

  70. It's like swiming just throw them in the deep end. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Start 'em off with a little Kurt Vonnegut. Most of the vocabulary won't be over their heads but the subject matter will get the little brain cells working and drive their teachers nuts when they give their book reports.

  71. Hitchikers Guide -- D. Adams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DON'T PANIC!

    Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, the trilogy by Douglas Adams isn't as much sci-fi as all the others I've seen mentioned on this list so far. Still, it's sci-fi -- even the Babble Fish has become reality after all.

  72. Fantasy Books by chiefbutz · · Score: 0

    Here are some good books, though I am not sure what the reading level on them is. The Lost Years of Merlin series (very good, probably suitable for pre-teens) The Abhorsen Series (3 books long, might be a little advanced) the Enchanted Forest Chronicles (very good, and a fast read for more advanced readers, probably suitable for pre-teens) There are also some Star Wars series that are you. the Young Jedi Knight series was one that I read and enjoyed.

    1. Re:Fantasy books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire "Legend of Drizzt" series ... (The best single series of fantasy books ever written)

      Wait... are you serious? Now, I'll be honest, I've enjoyed (most of) the Drizzt books. A few of them (I'm thinking of "Servant of the Shard," or "The Silent Blade," in particular) are great. The series as a whole, though, is far from the finest quality fantasy series in the world.

      Read something by Tad Williams ("Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn"), Philip Pullman ("His Dark Materials"), or Celia S. Friedman ("The Coldfire Trilogy"), to name a few -- and those are just modern authors. We'll pretend that you're only talking about modern authors, since that excludes Tolkein, and I would hate to think that anybody thinks R. A. Salvatore is a better author than Tolkein.

      Some of the Drizzt books have been real stinkers, too. "The Spine of the World" was a chore to finish, and I'm even one of the few people who actually likes Wulfgar. I know a few people who don't like him, and they weren't even able to get halfway through the book.

  73. A couple choices by Diakoneo · · Score: 1

    I found Mercedes Lackey's Chanur series to be riveting when I was young. There is some politics, but the action scenes (and there are a LOT) leave you breathless and dead beat fatigued (in sympathy with the main characters.)

    And I really do have to recommend the Narnia series. If they're Christian - great, they'll get the allegory. But if not, it's just a ripping good series of fantasy novels.

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  74. Cory Doctorow's Little Brother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have heard good things about it (albeit from BoingBoing).

    1. Re:Cory Doctorow's Little Brother by Squiggle · · Score: 1

      It is a free download on his website if you want to check it out:
      http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/

        I downloaded the PDF and, after reading the first few chapters, I've have been looking for it in bookstores.

      Definitely great reading material for teens. Fantastic reading for those with a taste of geek-pop culture. The story feels more "current" then anything I've read for awhile,.. a hard to describe feeling cousin to deja vu maybe.

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  75. Eleanor Cameron! by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet and sequels.

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  76. Cross Time Engineer by iaamoac · · Score: 1

    A sword fighting 20th century engineer travelling around in 13th century Poland--what's not to like?

    It's a light and fun read.

  77. For Kids Of All Ages by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pretty much all Hienlien's earlier stuff is what I call "boy scout" stories. I developed the term from his Sunjammer solar sail story that premiered in the boy scout magazine "Boys Life".

    And every kid of any age should read everything from Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Besides 36 novels, he's written some books specific to younger readers (and won awards for same) and there's been both animated and live versions of some of the Discowrld books made. The Discowrld stories are much like the old Bugs Bunny cartoons -- well done for and received by kids, but some more esoteric pieces inserted specifically for those who can find them -- mostly for adults, sometimes for specialists (like the details of the "clacks" being there for techheads).

    Asimov's collections of short stories are good for kids and he puts in well explained details of the science involved. And if you can interest them in these, then you can give them his collections of science essays, which are equally entertaining but even more educational. By the time they catch on to the latter, they'll be more interested in learning more, and that's the best thing that can happen from all this.

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  78. Something different by Knight+of+Shadows · · Score: 1

    As a suggestion, "Stardance" by Spider Robinson, or Frederick Pohl's "Gateway". These weren't written for younger readers, but I think they could grasp them quite easily.

  79. Preteens? by vux984 · · Score: 1

    Yeah Asimov's Foundation is probably a bit dry. I first tried it when I was ~11 and got lost. I somehow didn't clue in that it was a collection of short stories, not a novel proper.

    The Robot novels are probably a good fit though, especially I, Robot. Other classic titles that spring to mind for an avid pre-teen age group are The Chyrsalids, The Tripods Trilogy, (The White Mountains, City of Gold and Lead, Pool of Fire), Ender's War, Tron, Fantastic Voyage

    A little higher up on the difficulty scale: Ringworld, Dune, The Mote in God's Eye, Rendezvous with Rama, Foundation, 2001 A Space Odyssey, Flowers for Algernon,

    Maybe a little older - The Handmaid's Tale, Brave New World, 20000 Leagues Under the Sea, A Clockwork Orange

  80. some other authors... by griffjon · · Score: 1

    The Foundation Trilogy is less dry than you might recall. You could always start with the detective-esque robot noir prequel series?

    Arthur C Clarke is a great path into scifi; I also fondly recall Ann McCaffrey's dragonriders series as scifi/fantasy crossover (and fantasy in general isn't a bad thing - Tolkien, for example).

    The Dune series is good for a first reading around then.

    Ender's Game goes without saying I'd hope?

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    1. Re:some other authors... by Spacejock · · Score: 1

      I read the foundation series as a pre-teen, and I agree.

      I also read The Hobbit and then Lord of the Rings.

    2. Re:some other authors... by griffjon · · Score: 1

      I mean, there's a whooole lot of good sci-fi and fantasy worth a first read as a pre-teen and a later revisiting. Ray Bradbury, Ben Bova, Spider Robinson (not really hard scifi, but a good read), Alfred Bester (who got a Babylon 5 character named after him)...

      Bonus with a lot of the classic sci-fi is that it deals with social and political issues in a subtle but engaging way. These authors and the ones mentioned in my earlier list deal with immigration/genocide, resource scarcity, government censorship and oppression, police and nanny states, the importance of resistance, and the value of creativity.

      Good things to instill in a teen :)

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    3. Re:some other authors... by joearf · · Score: 1

      Was in my late teens while in the Army and picked up one of the collection of Spider Robinson's Callahan's Crosstime Saloon stories [maybe the first: it was '77]. As griffjon says, they were not really hard science fiction: stupid stuff, really [and I mean that in a good way; a fun way]. What was neat about them, and why they stand in my memory, was that they made me laugh at a time in my life where there wasn't a whole lot to laugh about, and inspired me to start writing, myself: similarly silly, science-fictiony short stories that I shared with some of the guys in my company.

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  81. Lots of stuff by xstonedogx · · Score: 1

    Asimov's short stories
    Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
    Songs of Distant Earth by Arthur C. Clarke
    Piers Anthony's Xanth series (fantasy; some sexual elements)
    Piers Anthony's Incarnation of Immortality series (strong sexual elements)
    John Carter of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
    Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat
    Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (fantasy)
    Roger Zelazny's Amber series
    Stephen King's Gunslinger series (strong sexual elements)
    Lone Wolf series (fantasy; like choose-your-own-adventure with role playing elements)

    1. Re:Lots of stuff by xstonedogx · · Score: 1

      Oh, and one I really liked as a pre-teen:

      The Guardians of the Flame series by Joel Rosenberg (fantasy)

    2. Re:Lots of stuff by WobindWonderdog · · Score: 1

      I read this series when I was younger, and while I enjoyed it to a certain degree, it seemed too gritty at that stage, too realistic, with none of the escapism I was after at that age.

  82. My list by bobetov · · Score: 1

    Sci-Fi:

    - Ringworld by Larry Niven (and generally any Niven book where he's the only author)
    - The Mote In God's Eye/The Gripping Hand by Niven and Pournelle
    - Mile Vorkosigan novels by Lois McMaster Bujold (NOTHING else by her!)
    - Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card (duh)

    Fantasy:

    - Dark is Rising series by Susan Cooper

    Graphic Novel:

    - Dark Night/The Year One by Frank Miller

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    1. Re:My list by bbsguru · · Score: 1
      How about Eric Flint, the "1634" series? Alternate-history SciFi, and insidiously educational... Bonus! The first one can even be downloaded free (take that, Borders!).

      Bradbury and others of my youth, even Clarke, seem a little dated. Heinlein is not a pre-teen read (!). Asimov is timeless, but might be too subtle.

      Of course, if someone could update them so that the Nintendo generation wouldn't laugh out loud at them, the Tom Swift books were absolutely made for pre-teens. But seriously: "a giant silver cigar-shaped space ship"?? Yeah, that was the sound of a Game-boy booting up...

    2. Re:My list by WobindWonderdog · · Score: 1

      I totally second the Dark is Rising series, highly entertaining, and well written, avoid at -all- costs the movie =)

  83. My First Sci-Fi Books by emeri1md · · Score: 1

    There are three series written by Bruce Coville. These are the books that got me into the genre in the first place. I enjoy them enough that I still reread them on occasion.

    The AI Gang Trilogy
    Aliens Ate My Homework and sequels
    My Teacher is an Alien and sequels

    There are a few others by him as well that may be worth a look. And many of these books are on the 4 for 3 list on Amazon.

    Happy reading!

  84. drmawyer by dmawyer · · Score: 1

    My all time favorite is Bradburys "Dark they were and Golden Eyed". The best short story that teaches reality is "The Cold Equations".

  85. DON'T PANIC by NitroMo · · Score: 1

    Gotta vote for Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy. My 10 year old just finished rereading for the 3rd time, and it has helped bring out the sense of humor in him. Now he's going to be as twisted as his dad!

  86. Just a thought.... by zappepcs · · Score: 1

    and some of the other Heinlein are definitely darker and more political than I remember..

    is precisely one of the reasons that they should read them. Explaining a bit of Heinlein is a sight easier than explaining how Bush has gotten away with all that he has... IMO

  87. Come on!!! This is '70s and earlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do any of you actually have kids and read the books that they like?

    They want to read books that are relevant now! Not '50s books.

    And yes, I've read many of them, and the classics are awesome, but they're not the way to get kids interested in reading.

  88. Get them a subscription to Analog. by Skurge357 · · Score: 1

    And also, Frank Herbert's Dune Series; Any Heinlein or Isaac Asimov; Janet Asimov's Mind Transfer was good... Don't forget that books like Lord of the Rings and other fantasy are good stuff for kids. I practically breathed the stuff.

    1. Re:Get them a subscription to Analog. by sbeckstead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Dune books are far too adult for pre-teens.
      Give Frank Herbert a pass. Go for the Heinlein and Poul Anderson.

    2. Re:Get them a subscription to Analog. by illmunkeys · · Score: 1

      You under estimate. I was reading Dune when I was a pre-teen, and now, I read the series about once every other year or so. Don't pass on Dune.

  89. Pre-Teen Sci Fi by Ugmo · · Score: 1

    SF:
    Dune by Frank Herbert
    Asimov's Early Robot Series - Caves of Steel,The Naked Sun,Robots of Dawn
    Heinlein's "Juvenile" books - http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/1872/juvie.htm I especially liked "The Star Beast" and "Have Space Suit, Will Travel"
    Daniel Keys Moran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Keys_Moran Especially "The Long Run", "The Armageddon Blues"
    Vernor Vinge: "The Peace War" The hero is a child math wiz.
    Douglass Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy book #1

    Fantasy:
    JRR Tolkien The Lord of the Rings
    R.A. MacAvoy, Damiano Series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._A._MacAvoy
    Gene Wolf Urth of the New Sun Series, maybe just the first book.
    Terry Pratchett's Disc World books

  90. The Tripods by znark · · Score: 1
    OK, here goes, off the top of my head:
    • Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea (and other novels) by Jules Verne
    • The Barsoom (Mars) series by Edgar Rice Burroughs
    • The Adventure series by Enid Blyton (at least The Mountain of Adventure)
    • House of Stairs and Interstellar Pig by William Sleator
    • The Tripods by John Christopher (well, Samuel Youd, actually...)

    I don't see much reason to "protect" children from the "darker" stories. On the contrary, those are the ones that kept my interest in books going in the formative years - getting a glimpse of the adult world (however fictional); difficult and dangerous situations, strange ideologies and world orders (often written as satirical analogies of actual historical events or political ideas, which I was only to find out about later), visions of post-apocalyptic societies... something to give your imagination wings; going beyond the ordinary, mundane world and opening up new ways of thinking about things.

  91. 2001 was a good read, as is Philip K. Dick by OrangeTide · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I enjoyed 2001 when I was a kid. I also liked Nemesis by Isaac Asimov when I was a pre-teen (although some people hate that book). Project Pendulum by Robert Silverberg is a decent read for young sci-fi fans. Of course Piers Anthony is also fun for pre-teens for the Fantasy genre (I used to really be into the Xanth novels). Although I think Terry Pratchett is somewhat better but some American kids might not get the humor at first and be put off by it. For a pre-teen The Hobbit is always a great suggestion, a much faster and lighter read than Lord of the Rings.

    When I was 12-13 I read the first six books of Mission Earth. I would not recommend that, it's pretty psychologically and morally warped. (I would say F'd up actually)

    Heinlein's stuff would be good too, Stranger in a strange land perhaps. and certainly Starship Troopers (pre-teen is not too young to be exposed to controversial political topics, imo). You'd be surprised how interesting kids can be once they start having opinions on these "adult" topics. Kids, in my experience, generally don't pick a position on socio-political issues and stick with it forever (unlike adults). So the earlier they can start asking questions and examining the choices society has made, the better. Probably best for pre-teens that have a tendency to approach issues curiously and rationally as if it were a puzzle with a solution they can figure out, rather than kids who tend to think of things in emotional terms or wants immediate answer for rote learning. although looking at these problems of the world with a bit of empathy can yield pretty useful results as well.

    But most of all, I would highly recommend exposing a kid to some of Philip K. Dick's books. Galactic Pot-Healer is a nice one I think, it's weird but not over a typical pre-teen reader's head. Reading Philip K. Dick can let a kid experience a wild drug trip without all the nasty side-effects :)

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    1. Re:2001 was a good read, as is Philip K. Dick by nomadic · · Score: 1

      certainly Starship Troopers (pre-teen is not too young to be exposed to controversial political topics, imo)

      Ehhh...I'm sort of on the fence about that. Kids read things less critically than adults; maybe it would be a good idea to give the kids Starship Troopers, then the Forever War. Or even Bill the Galactic Hero makes a nice antidote to Heinlein's philosophy.

    2. Re:2001 was a good read, as is Philip K. Dick by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I think books like these ought to be part of a supervised exercise, rather than purely casual pre-teen reading. My experience was I had adults to discuss the questions and concepts in the books. As well as have a little Socratic teaching applied to me as part of an informal book report.

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    3. Re:2001 was a good read, as is Philip K. Dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You shouldn't assume any of the views espoused by characters in Starship Troopers to be a faithful representation of Heinlein's philosophy. (Perhaps you should try to read more critically?)

    4. Re:2001 was a good read, as is Philip K. Dick by snooo53 · · Score: 1

      Stranger in a strange land? I dunno, I'd leave that one off the list... the first half was good but then it just got way too annoying to read. I was ready to throw the book out the window the 500th time I read someone saying "Thou art God". A good idea, but the second half was way too out of touch with reality (and not in an entertaining way)

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    5. Re:2001 was a good read, as is Philip K. Dick by nomadic · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't assume any of the views espoused by characters in Starship Troopers to be a faithful representation of Heinlein's philosophy. (Perhaps you should try to read more critically?)

      Heinlein was not shy about sharing his philosophy outside his novels. Some of the ideas espoused in Starship Troopers he probably didn't really believe, but there was plenty that he did, as he did give his opinion on things outside his fiction. If you can't follow the simple idea that fiction authors sometimes (gasp!) use their fiction books as vehicles for their ideology, then you're a simpleton.

    6. Re:2001 was a good read, as is Philip K. Dick by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Then you prove his point, because kids read less critically as adults. The author may not agree with the views represented in the book, but if someone reads it and misinterprets the message then the author's personal views are irrelevant. I would rather look at the book and discuss that than try to divine some meaning by looking at the author. Because that is the initial impression a vast majority of readers will take from a book, not an impression based on their knowledge of the author.

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  92. William Sleator by OodlesOfGerbils · · Score: 1

    How about Interstellar Pig or House of Stairs by William Sleator? They are maybe kind of dark, but I read them when I was about 10 or 11 and they blew my mind in a wonderful way. Other books by William Sleator might be just as good, but I haven't read them so I don't know. Interstellar Pig got a very positive critical response when it was first published in the 80s, and it is still one of my favorite books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_Pig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stairs_(William_Sleator_novel)

  93. Here's a couple by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Two of Frank Herbert's less-known works, "Whipping Star" and "The Dosadai Experiment" are pretty good. So is "Lord of Light" by Roger Zelazny. A few more: "Space Skimmer" by David Gerrold. "Cities In Flight" by James Blish. "Davy" by Edgar Pangborn if you don't mind a little minor sexuality. Anything by Larry Niven. "Ensign Flandry" by Poul Anderson. The "Flinx" and "Icerigger" books by Alan Dean Foster.

    I'm sure I'm forgetting a ton more than I mentioned, but those are pretty good, older, adventure-style SF stories young readers would probably like.

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  94. Jack McDevitt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though his books are all geared toward older readers, I really can't recall there being any specifically mature themes.

    Most of McDevitt's books are sci-fi adventures dealing with xenoarchaeology. Very, very good stuff, and will really get kids imaginations going.

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  96. Re: E.E. Doc Smith by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A problem with the Skylark and Lensman series is that they were written when eugenics was still popular in the US, before the NAZIs made such a graphic display of their dark-side implications. The good guys are good guys and the bad guys bad guys largely due to their genetics. The last book of the Lensman series shows that the police/military organization you've been following was actually a secret breeding program, run by behind-the-scenes aliens, to produce a human master race to rule the galaxy and wipe out their ancient enemies.

    Whenever I feel like trusting government officials I re-read the section of _The Grey Lensman_ where an "unattached lensman" (a supercop, with carte blanch to do whatever he pleases, no oversight, massive resources, and a gadget that lets him wiretap minds remotely) wipes out a nest of dope dealers by calling in the equivalent of a massive surprise nuclear carpet-bombing on the city they're in, to vaporize them all before they can get away.

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  97. Caves of Steel by kirblam · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Asimov robot trilogy is more accessible than the Foundation series.

  98. Robots of Dawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By Asimov, of course.

    Earth Detective Elijah Bailey is summoned off-world & partnered with a robot in order to solve a murder on a "spacer" planet. There are strong political winds about & the murder must be investigated with the utmost delicacy. And... the murder victim is a robot.

    Yeah, I know... but you can let the kids have it after you've read it.

  99. DUNE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ive just finished reading Frank Herbert's "Dune" saga. I recommend it, but it has some sexual content around book 5.

  100. Recommended Reading List by GeorgeVW · · Score: 5, Informative

    My wife is the current librarian of the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society, and there's a Children's Recommended Reading List that the club has been keeping up for some time. There's a lot of stuff on there, and it should offer some guidance.

    1. Re:Recommended Reading List by cayle+clark · · Score: 1

      Less useful than it might be -- it isn't well formatted (author names run into the titles and what do the asterisks mean?) but mainly because it is just authors and titles, no indication of SF or fantasy, no indication of series/trilogy connections, no clue as to contents other than the title.

    2. Re:Recommended Reading List by ATucker · · Score: 1

      If you take time to actually read, it says "Titles more appropriate for younger readers are indicated with an asterix" (sic) at the top of the page.

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    3. Re:Recommended Reading List by GeorgeVW · · Score: 1

      yeah, well we had a nicely formatted pdf version but the current webmaster said they would only accept a .docx and then horked the formatting when they put it up. One of the problems with all-volunteer organizations is that sometimes you get the person who wants the job rather than the person who can do the job.

  101. Timothy Zahn by zamboni1138 · · Score: 1

    I don't have kids, but I would suggest some of the Timothy Zahn novels. I have only read his Star Wars books and they keep my simple mind entertained. Not that I'm saying your kids are simple or anything. The Thrawn Trilogy was the first of his I read and I enjoyed his vision of the post-Emperor period. The Hand of Thrawn series and Outbound Flight were also enjoyable.

  102. Let your kids read the things you read. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encourage them to discuss what they read with each other, and with you, and with anyone else they can. Dark, political and brooding can all be very thought-provoking.. and provoking thought in your children is a marvelous goal. There are far too many sheep in this world who blindly follow everything the government says (This is MOST people in MOST countries.) and let the government get away with whatever they want. People who actually THINK FOR THEMSELVES and encourage others to do the same are the only answer.

  103. Try Gaiman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 11 yr. old son and I are thoroughly enjoying Interworld by Neil Gaiman. It was written for the 9-12 age group, and has humor, action, fantasy worlds, other beings, and much more.

  104. Edgar Rice Burroughs by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

    When I was teen, I read every one of Burroughs Mars, Venus, Pelucidor , actually once I got started I read every work he did.

    I found myself sitting on a glass incubator looking out over the plains watching thoats and Mad Zitidars fight.

    Wow, this brings back memories

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  105. Mack Maloney by tsunamiiii · · Score: 1

    Check out the Superhawk and Wingman Series by Mack Maloney. Total cult classics! www.mackmaloney.com/thebooks.html

  106. Piers Anthony by KGIII · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Though his Xanth series is probably more widely known there are others to choose from. Terry Pratchett had some good stuff for kids as I recall though I think I only read one of them and it was about gnome type critters but good reading regardless.

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  107. Edge Chronicles by Rupert · · Score: 1
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  108. That depends a lot on the exact age-group. by jd · · Score: 1
    I definitely recommend "Citizen of the Galaxy" to older pre-teens. The Tripods series are also pretty good, though intended for younger readers. Spaceship Medic is excellent. I do not know why "Clockwork Orange" is on Amazon.com's list of recommended pre-teen sci-fi, or indeed why "Watership Down" is on the same list. The latter is certainly more appropriate, but hardly sci-fi! All the "Target" Doctor Who novels are worthy contenders for a holiday read, with the exception of "Doctor Who and the Zarbi", which has to be the worst novelization of all time. It's a decent enough episode on television, but the novel is ghastly.

    If you include fantasy, then Alan Garner's classics (Weirdstone of Brisingamen, Moon of Gomrath, Owl Service, Elidor) are hard to beat for just about anyone. If you don't mind stories with a religious tone, then "A Swiftly Tilting Planet" and "A Wind in the Door" are good reads too. For very young readers, I would probably opt for "Smith of Wooten Major".

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    1. Re:That depends a lot on the exact age-group. by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Clockwork Orange is NOT for pre-teens. Almost all of Asimov's short stories are good for the 9-13 set. There has been a reprint of the 50 best worlds short SF stories and it is great.

      Some of Heinline can be a bit graphic and a little too right for my tastes (though, I read them all as a kid) - Take Time Enough For Love as an example. Lazarus Long's "seed" is preserved/harvested "orally."

      Keith Laumer's Diplomat At Arms is good - and leads into the whole Retief series.

  109. Expendable and Ascending by gustolove · · Score: 1

    by James Alan Gardner. I've not read his other books so I cannot suggest them.

  110. A Good List for your kids age group ^_^ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are in order from most recommended, and lightest most age appropriate to slightly darker (although I have nothing here that is really remotely close to Enders Game or anything of the sort)

    Diana Wynne Jones Crestomanci Series
    Charmed Life
    The Lives of Christopher Chant
    Conrad's Fate
    Witch Week
    (She keeps it very light while having real peril, and true character growth for her preteen budding magicians. Your kids will love these.)

    Diana Wynne Jones Castle Series
    Howl's Moving Castle (The basis of the film by Hayao Miyazaki. The book was better IMO)
    Castle in the Air (The sequel... also light, and totally magical. Very immersing.)

    Artemis Fowl (Whole series.. evil genius preteen discovers hidden fantasy society set in present day. Enjoyed it, even if it seemed geared to younger children. Very quick reads.. will need many books if you go with these.)

    A Wrinkle in Time
    Wind in the Door
    Swiftly Tilting Planet
    Many Waters (all by Madeline L'engle these are sequential in the series although most people only get through the first which is a pity. This is as close to scifi I have on this list.)

    Also if your children are ready for something a touch more classical I would recommend

    Lloyd Alexander's Pyridian Chronicles
    The Book of Three
    The Black Cauldron (Better than the disney I promise)
    The Castle of Llyr
    Taran Wanderer
    The High King
    (Reading all of these as I matured with the main character was a wonderful thing for my teen hood. once again the main character is a preteen boy to begin with. The mood is not as light as Diana Wynne Jones, but its very thought provoking. It may have some material that is mildly alarming to some children.)

    Good luck with your summer reading.

    1. Re:A Good List for your kids age group ^_^ by ender- · · Score: 1

      Ooh, excellent choice on the Wringle in Time books! I can't believe I didn't think of them myself.

      Awesome Series!!!

      Also, you inadvertantly reminded me of another humorous set of books that started with "Castle Perilous" by John de Chancie.

      Man I live these 'suggest a book' threads. They always give me new ideas, and bring back old favorites I hadn't thought of in years. :)

  111. Wide array of posibilities and directions by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 1

    The Dragonlance Chronicles are easy reads by Weiss and Hickman.

    Flowers for Algernon isn't too dark, and it's short.

    Many people have already mentioned Pratchett, but I would focus on stories that center around Carrot. He's the embodiment of selfless good.

    I found Madeleine L'Engle's Time Quartet to be very engaging.

    Here's a departure from your theme, but many of the D&D rulebooks are AWESOME imaginary catalysts. No real story, but they always provoked me into thought by giving me a framework to build my own worlds. They still do have that "loser" stigma to them even if geekiness is en vogue.

  112. Outdated, maybe by amliebsch · · Score: 1

    But I read every single "Adventures of Danny Dunn" book that my local library had, and enjoyed them all immensely. They are fantastical entertaining fictional stories, but with enough actual science to spark a genuine interest in the subject.

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    1. Re:Outdated, maybe by Rob+Riepel · · Score: 1

      > "Adventures of Danny Dunn"

      I'll second this. They're great reading. I read every one I could get my hands on as a preteen. Before that I was a lousy reader and not really interested in getting any better. Those books were the key that unlocked the world of reading for me.

  113. Excellent young-reader books by mattlmattlmattl · · Score: 1

    These are mostly fantasy, but uniformly excellent:

    The Dark is Rising series by Susan Cooper (especially the book "The Dark is Rising") - forget about the abysmal movie they recently made and that the author hated.

    The Earthsea books by Ursula K Leguin (starting with "A Wizard of Earthsea" and which she just keeps on adding to, getting better and better as you grow older with them.)

    The Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis (forget about the whole "Ooh, but it's Christian!" - when you're a kid reading them, that doesn't come across and they're great reading.) Read them in publication order starting with "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" (not the newfangled and completely WRONG order.)

    "Charmed Life" by Diana Wynne Jones (very fun and you can see where Rowling stole many ideas - really, many of the books I'm listing were sources for her.)

    "A Wrinkle in Time" by Madeleine L'Engle

    "The Riddle-Master of Hed" (and 2 sequels) by Patricia A. McKillip

    Possibly "Master of the Five Magics" by Lyndon Hardy (I really liked it, the sequels aren't quite as good.)

    Of course, "The Hobbit" by J.R.R. Tolkein

    And I imagine some people will recommend the "His Dark Materials" trilogy by Philip Pullman, starting with "The Golden Compass". The first book is OK, but I feel they go downhill until they're just anti-Christian rants.

    Then, as your kids age, if they're liking the fantasy, I'd say the Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books by Fritz Leiber, starting with "Swords and Deviltry" would be good. But I'm thinking they're a bit too old for pre-teens.

    I've loved most of these books for years and re-read them periodically. I hope your kids like them, too!

  114. Arthur & Isaac by HiramAbif · · Score: 1

    Arthur C. Clarke always seemed to be the "classic" sci-fi writer to me. His short stories are great - the Rama trilogy is brilliant (if a little longwinded in the latter novels). He's probably good for younger readers too as his style is pretty straightforward "normal" future fiction - not too much way out there stuff. Isaac Asimov's novels always seemed a little slow to me but his short stories are great. There are 2 collection books of sci-fi stories I know of plus a couple of others more fantasy based. Plus they might be more inclined to get into other areas once they recognize his name (he did write about almost everything at some stage). Along with Heinlein and Bradbury these guys should also give a sort of "old time" view of sci-fi your youngsters can compare with more modern writers.

  115. The Giver. by OodlesOfGerbils · · Score: 1

    The Giver by Lois Lowry is not exactly hard sci-fi, but it is set in a dystopian future and telepathy features prominently in the plot. I keep racking my brains trying to come up with good sci-fi that isn't at all dark, but I'm not sure if it even exists.

  116. Heinlein by mknewman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most of Heinlein's early works (Tunnel in the Sky is my favorite) are pre-teen fodder. It's not till the 60's when he started getting into the more mature stuff. As a kid I whet my teeth on Tom Swift Jr., by Victor Appleton III. There were a bunch of earlier ones that were Tom Swift Sr. that I didn't find as interesting, Tom Swift and his Motorcycle, etc. There are a bunch of new generation ones also, Tom Swift and his IPod or whatever. Any good library's sci-fi section should do splendidly, especially at their schools. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Swift By the way, I got my daughter to read Tunnel in the Sky and she loved it. She's now devouring Bradbury books after reading Farenheit 451 in school (8th grade).

  117. Edgar Rice Burroughs by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    Just about everything ERD wrote is suitable for pre-teens and early-teens.
    That includes like 25 Tarzan novels, 11 "John Carter of Mars" novels, 8 Pellucidar (center of the earth, very timely with the new movie) novels, and at least another 30 or 40 miscellaneous stories.

    ERD was like the steven king of sci-fi and fantasy, his books are nowhere near as long as King's but they are almost always real pager turns that your kids will want to stay up past their bedtime reading under the covers with flashlights.

    And, despite the covers on some editions sporting very nubile women, the books are completely tame.

    PS, many of them are available for free on project gutenberg

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  118. Snowcrash by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    Nuff said.

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  120. Actual Science Books? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

    Call me dry, but while I do appreciate the positive effect on creativity of sci-fi, I think that actual scientific literature and even textbooks can be well worth reading, and yes even entertaining.

    There's nothing wrong with a good popular science book. What about an introductory book to something like astronomy, cosmology, or quantum physics? A popular modern engineering book would be just about as amazing as most sci-fi novels, and plausible besides.

    Sometimes, cutting out all that "drama" stuff can actually make some books better. For some people anyway.

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    1. Re:Actual Science Books? by sbeckstead · · Score: 1
      Ok you are dry and lacking imagination.

      Popular Science manages to be popular by not being much science. You don't give preteens non-fiction books unless they have lots of pictures and are written by Asimov. Who did a wonderful job of making some of his science books fun.

    2. Re:Actual Science Books? by WobindWonderdog · · Score: 1
      pft, You can still find wonder and awe in well written non-fiction. As a teen I highly enjoyed reading about Richard Feynmann and about chaos theory and the like.

      James Gleick has a fantastic writing style that portrays the normally dry material in a engaging style.

      Otherwise, books on logic, astrophysics etc can all be found in some books that present the information in a format edible for younger kids.

  121. Enders Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to second Enders Game(forth or fifth it I suppose). Ender' Shadow being my second favorite although the other Enderverse books are quite good. I first read Ender's Game in grade school and it was the only book I could stand reading, it kept me interested and I couldn't put it down. I still read these books, I just finished children of the mind today, and yes some of them can get a little deep/preachy but it's rare and it opens up topics that a child would never consider and make them think about it.

  122. Dune by Tykho · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think Dune is probably the first Sci Fi I read that's really memorable to me, although I'm not sure I would really recommend it to you. I was a huge fan of Star Wars novels when I was younger, especially the ones authored by Timothy Zahn.

  123. Crichton by trinarybit · · Score: 1

    Jurassic Park and Sphere I would recommend to anyone ten or up, though the thickness could be a bit intimidating. Timeline was another good one, though I'm guessing these are only science fiction by association with science. Raptor Red by Bakker is decent, but again, a story told through the eyes of a Utah-raptor is science fiction?

    1. Re:Crichton by Krater76 · · Score: 1

      Let me be the first to say that I am not an avid reader and I found Crichton to be excellent. Out of all the posts in this thread you are the only one I saw who had Crichton in the title. I think his sci-fi is very underrated and I've read a lot of his stuff. I think he probably gets a lot of criticism from the hardcore readers for his books turning into such mediocre or bad movies. He's written more than Rowling and seems to have no control over the quality of the adaptations.

      I was given Jurassic Park to me (pre-movie thankfully) by my aunt and read it very quickly. This was followed up by Andromeda Strain, Sphere, and Congo. Personally, I think his best is Sphere. I couldn't put that down. I read it when I was 15 and it was easily digestable and could've easily handled it a little earlier.

      He also has the ability to help readers move out of sci-fi with medieval/historical stuff like Timeline (science is used as a plot device, not really sci-fi), Eaters of the Dead, and The Great Train Robbery. Also there's the social/political/business issues brought up in Rising Sun and Disclosure, although the adult themes in Disclosure are a little racy.

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  124. Short Stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting as AC because I'm at work and too lazy to log in.

    I remember reading compilations of SF short stories that were put together by Asimov when I was a kid - HUGE things, two inches thick or more, and great stories. Kept me entertained for ages. Never underestimate the power of a short story; they're often very well written, and have a lot more punch-per-word than a novel or novella. Anything written or compiled by him is good value.

  125. Stanislaw Lem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially The Star Diaries. You may know Lem from his other writings, like Solaris, but his Ijon Tichy series, of which The Star Diaries is a part, is more lighthearted. For younger readers, a collection of short stories like The Star Diaries can be easy to read as well.

  126. Newberry Awards by stevarooski · · Score: 1

    Check out the list of Newberry Honor and Newberry Award books. Even today I will happily sit down with one of these--shorter, simpler prose combined with incredibly powerful stories.

    Since you asked for sci-fi in particular, here are a few Newberry suggestions that may suit:

    The Giver by Lois Lowry (Houghton)
    A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle (Farrar
    The High King by Lloyd Alexander (Holt)

    Full list can be found here:

    http://www.ala.org/ala/alsc/awardsscholarships/literaryawds/newberymedal/newberyhonors/newberymedal.cfm

    Check them out, you wont be sorry. :)

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    1. Re:Newberry Awards by MajikJon · · Score: 1

      The whole of the Prydan Chronicles (The Book of Three, The Black Cauldron, The Castle of Llyr, Taran Wanderer, The High King) are excellent examples of non-Tolkein high fantasy that are aimed at late grade-school/early middle school age kids, but that I still enjoy as an adult. Basically, theWelsh fables, but very well told, and appropriate for youngsters.

  127. Little Fuzzy by way2trivial · · Score: 3, Insightful

    H. Beam Piper.

    2-3 sequels..
    fuzzy sapiens...

    a great read- similar to heinline juveniles.

    hard to find-- worth the search....

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    1. Re:Little Fuzzy by sabre86 · · Score: 1

      The Fuzzy series is great!

      And I think Little Fuzzy and Fuzzy Sapiens are bound together in The Fuzzy Papers . That's how I read them.

      As for the Heinlein juveniles, which I realize have come up several times already, I favor Podkayne of Mars and the The Rolling Stones for their strong female characters and good plots.

      One thing I haven't seen mentioned here (and should probably go somewhere else as it's off-topic for a reply), is Asimov's Lucky Starr series. They might be even a bit too young for, say, a twelve year old, but I loved them when I was 6 or so.

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    2. Re:Little Fuzzy by Nimey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, another Piper fan. I also strongly recommend the Paratime stories and especially _Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen_.

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  128. Some ideas by c · · Score: 1

    Well... Looking at my wall 'o books... pretty much anything by Alan Dean Foster would be okay for pre-teens. A lot of Modesitt's stuff... Iain M. Banks... A lot of the old-school pulp authors would be good.

    Honestly, though, what's "okay for pre-teens" about anyways? Minimal sex, lack of gratuitous violence, happy endings? There really aren't all that many sci-fi novels which are any more "adult" than prime-time television. Okay, there are a few, but I doubt they sold all that much (although I do find an absurdly large number of copies of "NYPD 2025" in used bookstores...)

    c.

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    1. Re:Some ideas by skelly33 · · Score: 1

      I second Alan Dean Foster - I loved his books in high school, though some of the material might go right over the head of a pre-teen. Alien was rather exciting, and Sentenced to Prism was really weird and imaginative.

      Also Terry Brooks' whole Shannara series - that ought to take a year or two to power through. Good adventures, simple but descriptive writing style that paints vivid imagery which is nice for a Fantasy.

      For super-lightweight adventure with a bit of comedy infused, Robert Asprin had some good ones like his Myth series and Piers Anthony had numerous clever and fun adventures.

      There is some really great material in classic though too - how about Fahrenheit 451? It's short and sweet and would give you an idea if your young reader has any interest in those sort of futuristic dystopia stories.

    2. Re:Some ideas by skelly33 · · Score: 1

      Oh! Someone above mentioned War of the Worlds. In that same vein, a few classic stories that knocked my socks off as a kid:

      * Journey to the Center of the Earth - get it before the new movie comes out to compare notes!

      * 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea - A little heavy on science talk, but might be inspirational for your reader.
      * Lord of the Flies - like whoah.

      Also a couple deeper, but delightful stories I've found in the last 5-10 years:

      * Mipam (journey of a Tibetan monk)
      * Siddhartha (similar, less descriptive, more folk tale like)
      * Bridge of Birds (a light folk tale set in China, modeled after Chinese folk tales)
      * Life of Pi (survival story of an Indian boy is lost at sea after a cargo vessel sinks and he alone survives with some wild animals that were on the ship now stuck in a life raft with him)

      Okay, sorry - I think I'm done now, though I'm sure there are more that will come to me :)

  129. I can't believe it. by wellingj · · Score: 1

    No mention of BattleTech novels? I thought we were geeks here.

  130. John Christopher by Scutter · · Score: 1

    How about the Tripod Trilogy?

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  131. My early-teen list: by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

    First, I'd give them some of Michael Pryor's books. The Doorways Trilogy, starting with The House of Many Rooms is about a teenager from Earth who gets swept up in a succession conflict and ends up traveling between worlds. In the first book there isn't much remarkable about him except that he can open "Doorways", like members of the royal family of The House of Many Rooms - a completely fabricated world, an ever-expanding house in the void between worlds. Two others of his I recommend are The Mask of calaban and Talent. Those two touch a little on the darker side of human nature, but aren't dark overall. After those, I would say The Obernewtyn Chronicles, by Isobelle Carmody. It's an as-yet incomplete series set in a post nuclear holocaust future. The world has reverted to a middle-ages tech level and few remember exactly what the bright lights were, generations ago. Along with the usual negative mutations, there are positive mutations like psychic abilities. Children with those abilities are stolen away to a secret facility called Obernewtyn where they're experimented on. The first book deals with the children overthrowing the controllers of Obernewtyn, while the rest of the series is about them fighting to stay alive, since they're seen as abominations. The main character, Elspeth, is on a quest to destroy the last remaining nuclear weapons to prevent them from harming the world again.

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  132. Hurtling Moons! Ant Cities! Talking Dogs! by cazwax · · Score: 1

    E. R. Burrough's Martian trilogy. A good way to open up discussions about the American civil war and the evil of organized & politicized religion as well.

    Pratchett's Tiffany stories ( also available in CD form; excellent excellent listening )

    Hienlien: Citizen of the Galaxy, The Star Beast, Have Spacesuit Will Travel ( also available in audio format ), Rocketship Galileo, the Rolling Stones...

    The Robot stories, certainly.

    Journey to the center of the earth, etc.

    Simak's City. I must of read that 50 times as a pre-teen / teen.

    The ballad of lost c'mell?

    Some of the old Greek mythologies, popularized. Gives one a chance to discuss how people may of thought in those days. Robots too!

  133. So many....try Danny Dunn by gorehog · · Score: 3, Informative

    I loved sci-fi short stories as a kid.

    I, Robot by Isaac Asimov (get the book of short stories not the movie adaptation)

    The Wind From The Sun is a good collection of Arthur C. Clarke.

    If you can find 'em, the Danny Dunn series of books were great, always had hard core science. Kinda like the Hardy Boys, but with a sci-fi influence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Dunn

    Sherlock Holmes!

    1. Re:So many....try Danny Dunn by Krater76 · · Score: 1

      I think the best part of 'I, Robot' is that it's an easily digestible chunks that are fully fleshed out mini-stories and flow nicely into a long-term story arc. And yes, if you read the book and then see how the movie throws the 3 laws out the window, you get somewhat disillusioned.

      And don't forget 'Bicentennial Man'. Same style and also made into a lackluster movie.

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  134. Novels by gagol · · Score: 1

    There is a collection of Isaac Asimov's Robot themed Novels. I think they are very creative imaginative and will develop their critical and technical thinking skills. I have one edition in French that ends with a small roman, Caves of steel. Something like that would be my best bet.

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  135. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Paul+Carver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first time I read the Narnia books, I had no idea there were "Christian overtones." But I was young and just enjoying a quick fantasy.

    When I read the Narnia books when I was a kid I had no idea there were "Christian overtones.". When I read them again when I was 33 I still had no idea there were "Christian overtones."

    I think whatever overtones you're reading are more about what YOU put into what you're reading than what's written on the page.

    I know C.S Louis was considered by himself and others as a christian writer, but it's quite a stretch to think that the Narnia series are any more "christian" than most other fantasy novels.

    Unless you consider anything with good and evil epic battles and sacrifices to be "christian", but that seems like an awfully broad definition.

  136. The Dark is Rising Series and Pit Dragon Trilogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually think in many cases adult sci-fi is perfectly appropriate for pre-teens. In my experience, kids/teens who are interested in sci-fi tended to be more mature (at least in a literary sense) than others their age.

    But, if you want to focus on stuff specifically for your kids, I strongly recommend Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Is_Rising_Sequence). I read and LOVED it as a pre-teen. Plus,the 2nd book of it is coming out as a movie soon, which could help stimulate their interest.

    I also really enjoyed Jane Yolen's Pit Dragon Trilogy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pit_Dragon_Trilogy). The name might make you think it's fantasy, but it's actually sci-fi (and wonderful).

    Also, I have to second *More Trouble* and *amstrad* on A Wrinkle in Time (and the rest of Madeleine L'Engle's work); it's amazing!!!

    Other great ones that were already mentioned:
    * Dragonlance series
    * Ender's series

  137. Speaking of comics. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    You also can't go wrong with comics.

    Speaking of comics: The Disney studios Duckburg stories by Carl Barks are a crash course in economics, politics, and practical philosophy.

    (One strongly libertarian entrepreneur of my acquaintance styled himself a "Barksist" and would quote the nephews' statement "Flipism gets its acid test." when approaching a particularly spaghetti-bowl like freeway interchange. B-) )

    They've been reprinted under the imprint "Gladstone Press".

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  138. Asimov by russlar · · Score: 1

    Some light Asimov should do them well.

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  139. Lucky Starr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lucky Starr series by Asimov.

  140. Bujold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The SF novels of Lois McMaster Bujold, especially the Miles Vorkosigan series, seem to be targeted at adolescents. And the writing is good.

    1. Re:Bujold! by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      I would add something Bujold herself recommended in one convention: Cordwainer Smith.

      Pretty hard-core SF, with lots of elements of Chinese storytelling that makes it that little bit more magical. Especially if your kids like cats.

      I know I would have devoured his stories had I encountered when I was 10. As it happened, I devoured them at 20.

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  141. Dies the fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Teen (preteen then) got hooked on the S. M. Sterling series when I left a book lying around.

    Don't worry about 'Teen level' books. Good writing will hook anyone. If they have to stretch their minds, so much the better. You wind up with smarter kids.

    Happy Dad.

    1. Re:Dies the fire by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      My Teen (preteen then) got hooked on the S. M. Sterling series when I left a book lying around.

      Don't worry about 'Teen level' books. Good writing will hook anyone. If they have to stretch their minds, so much the better. You wind up with smarter kids.

      Happy Dad.

      Understanding level is not always the criteria to use but appropriateness. There are some pretty racy Science Fiction novels out there and I know I didn't let my pre-teen read some of Anne Rice's. Granted that's Horror but it's in the neighborhood.

  142. Hal Spacejock by Spacejock · · Score: 1

    ... except you can't buy it outside Australia. You can download the first one though - see the sig.

    (There are over 1000 copies of the Hal Spacejock books in Australian school libraries.)

    1. Re:Hal Spacejock by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I've never heard of it before, but there are several books available at Amazon. Maybe they're imported? $17.95 for a paperback.

  143. My pre-teen kids liked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    based on recent experience, my pre-teen kids liked:

    Enders Game and Enders Shadow - Card

    Interworld - Neil Gaiman and Michael Reaves

    Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy - Adams

  144. Andre Norton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really liked the Witch World series when I was younger. She also wrote some other sci-fi that was very good. I remember getting a boxed set of sci-fi books when I was about six or seven. Best thing the old man ever did for me.

    1. Re:Andre Norton by darrylo · · Score: 1

      I'll second Andre Norton. Forerunner Foray, Time Traders, Witch World, etc. are all excellent. The same goes for old Heinlein (his later stuff is either not as good, inappropriate for children, or both, IMHO).

      Most people here are largely recommending more modern Sci-Fi (Eddings, Card, Rowling, etc.), and so I'll suggest some older or lesser-known authors:

    2. Re:Andre Norton by darrylo · · Score: 1

      Oh, and Fred Saberhagen's Dracula series is good, too, as well as his Empire of the East series. "The Dracula Tape", and "An Old Friend of the Family" are two more of my favorites.

  145. Re:Van Vogt, Russell by DrLudicrous · · Score: 1

    Yes, the pre-Nebula Award SFHoF vol.1 is perhaps the greatest selection of sci-fi short stories ever put together. No author has more than one entry in the book, so you get exposed to a wide swath of different writers. Look for it on eBay!

  146. Tripods/White Mountains by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    Good, I was going to mention the White Mountains trilogy if nobody else had.

    But for those unfamiliar with the story, read the original trilogy ("The White Mountains", "The City of Gold and Lead", and "The Pool of Fire") first.
    I haven't read it, but the prequel, "When the Tripods Came", apparently gives away a lot of stuff that makes the later books less interesting if you read them in story-chronological order.

  147. The Amtrak Wars by Patrick Tilley ... by grim-one · · Score: 1

    ... I read them in high school and enjoyed them!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak_wars

  148. Little Brother by Cory Doctorow by sheetzam · · Score: 1

    Just came out, awesome awesome awesome. And it's released under the creative commons.

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  149. My choices; Norton, LeGuin, Rowley, Bellairs by david.emery · · Score: 1

    I don't think these have been mentioned yet:

    Andre Norton, "Zero Stone" and "Uncharted Stars," or just about anything else as far as that goes. (I read "Zero Stone" & "Uncharted Stars" about 40 years ago and -many- times since)

    Ursula LeGuin, "Wizard of Earthsea" tetralogy - my standard present to kids looking for something after Harry Potter.

    Christopher Rowley, "Bazil Broketail" books (are there 5 of them?). Well these arrived after my youth, but I really like them.

    John Bellairs, anything, but particularly "The Face in the Frost". Hey, what can you say about a book with a magic mirror with a love for old Brooklyn Dodgers games?

    dave

  150. Andre Norton by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Informative

    If ERB is the Stephen King of SF/F then Anre Norton was the Judy Blume. Like ERB, almost all of her 300 books are suitable for younger readers.

    It's been so long since I read her stuff, but don't ever remember being disappointed by any of her books.
    Some titles that come to mind:

    Quag Keep
    Zero Stone
    Android at Arms
    Ice Crown
    Merlin's Mirror
    Voorloper
    Crossroads of Time
    Forerunner Foray
    Exiles of the Stars
    Postmarked for the Stars
    The Time Traders
    Galactic Derelict
    Witch World

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  151. Short List by tahuti · · Score: 1
    Relatively safe authors (depending on series)
    • Jules Verne
    • H. G. Wells
    • Poul Anderson
    • Gordon R. Dickson
    • Jack Vance
    • C. J. Cherryh

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_short_stories
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_novels
    Don't forget Tarzan.

  152. Two timeless series': Wrinkle in Time & Tripod by ThePopeLayton · · Score: 1

    Check these out: I read these in elementary school and remember loving them: Wrinkle in Time and the Tripod Series: http://www.amazon.com/Tripods-Trilogy-John-Christopher/dp/0020425716

  153. Hickman and Wiess DeathGate Cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hickman and Weis DeathGate Cycle... gave my imagination a boost and was appropriate.

  154. Re:Dark and Cynical? by hansamurai · · Score: 1

    I read the series knowing that some people saw Christian themes and I guess I could see them when looking hard enough, but like you, I'm not sure if they would stand out to me otherwise. Except for the last book though, I think the last few chapters in that were kind of heavy in Lewis' Christianity.

  155. Danny Dunn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Danny Dunn - can't recall the series... but there were quite a few.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Dunn

  156. Short stories are best by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't try to avoid dark in sci-fi. A lot of the best sci fi is more about exploring the human psyche - the technology or remote physical setting is more a tool than the focus of the story.

    My recommendation: Go for a short story collection. Anything by Asimov would be good. Or failing that try a collection that exposes the youngster to a wide variety of authors, but in short little bursts. Any story that isn't interesting can be skipped, or if read won't turn into a long drawn out drag that'll put the little tike off.

    If short stories aren't what you want, try Cities in Flight James Blish.

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  157. Dragonlance by Hy-teq · · Score: 1

    Not exactly Sci-Fi; This series is Fantasy and has been specially formatted for young readers.

    Book1
    A Rumor of Dragons: Dragons of Autumn Twilight, Vol. 1 by Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman

    Just keeps going from there.

    By the time they are done the young readers series they will be old enough to read all the regular Dragonlance novels.

  158. Tom Swift!!!! by BLKMGK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh heck yes! There have been multiple generations of this series. The older stuff like Tom Swift and his biplane perhaps not as interesting but there were at LEAST 3 generations after that! I actually collect some of the really old ones - now nearly 90 years old and have some of the 2nd and 3rd gen ones too, I think there's a 4th newest generation as well.

    For stuff that is NOT dark, not super violent, and a decent read for younger people this stuff is great I think. It's like Sci-Fi Hardy Boys. When I was a kid I read every one of them the local library had in multiple cities.

    The oldest Tom Swift books are now public domain it seems, holding one that old in your hands is pretty wild but be advised that they aren't terribly "PC" for the modern world, they depict stereo-types pretty badly in the oldest books. A window into that time I guess but I do find it bothersome sometimes. These are popular on eBay...

    There was another bunch of books - Zip Zip was in the title. John Schealer was the author of these - I liked them as a kid too. Worth checking out although likely dated now like the old Tom swift books.

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    1. Re:Tom Swift!!!! by bosef1 · · Score: 1
      I'll also put in a vote for Tom Swift, particularly the 1950-1970 Tom Swift Jr series. The books are probably pretty dated by now, but I remember that they were a lot of fun to read when I was, I guess, in grades 3-5, and the science was pretty easy to digest. Kind of like how Indiana Jones is an archaeologist, who has these awesome adventures. I've not read the previous series. I tried one of the books of the third series (I think the title was Ark Two), but it struck me more as bad modern sci-fi than the older books, and I didn't read any of the others.

      As far as the man himself, Tom Jr is generally protrayed as a regular 1950's teenager / young adult than as a bookish nerdy type. He's just got a really cool car and a spaceship that he built. The books also tend to show Tom using his inventions to help people out and make the world a better place. One caveat is that the Tom Swift Jr books were aimed at 1950's boys (since only boys did science in the 1950's), and may not hold the interest of modern girls; of course, your mileage and children may vary.

    2. Re:Tom Swift!!!! by KezMaefele · · Score: 1

      Wow!!! I forgot about Tom Swift!!! I used to stop by the library on the way home from school (yes I'm a geek - it is Slashdot) and read Tom Swift. So long ago now! My memory banks are all fuzzed up from college and I don't remember much about my youth. (Damn bong resin has stolen my youth!) Anyways I do have fond memory of Tom Swift books. I can almost smell those old dusty pages.

    3. Re:Tom Swift!!!! by mknewman · · Score: 1

      I must say during the era I was reading Tom Swift (I still have all 33 of the books) I was rushing home to watch Thunderbirds on our old RCA black and white TV. They also had that positive spin going.

  159. Tripod Trilogy - John Christopher by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    The White Mountains, The City of Gold and Lead, and the Pool of Fire.

    It has been a long while, but I remember enjoying them and they had some interesting concepts.

    1. Re:Tripod Trilogy - John Christopher by Hy-teq · · Score: 1

      The White Mountains, The City of Gold and Lead, and the Pool of Fire.

      It has been a long while, but I remember enjoying them and they had some interesting concepts.

      Forced to read this in Highschool - not very good.

    2. Re:Tripod Trilogy - John Christopher by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Forced to read this in Highschool - not very good.

      Well it *is* targeted to 10 years of age (elementary school) and we are talking about pre-teen sci-fi, so I'm not suprised it didn't thrill you in high school.

    3. Re:Tripod Trilogy - John Christopher by oolon · · Score: 1

      Personally I loved these the BBC not making the third book as a TV series forced me to read it just to know what happened.

    4. Re:Tripod Trilogy - John Christopher by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      It has been a long while, but I remember enjoying them and they had some interesting concepts.

      I'll second that. I don't remember a thing about the plots, I must have read them back around 4th or 5th grade, but I do remember liking them a lot for being just a little surreal. I think that was around the time that I found a few collections of short stories by JG Ballard which were completely off the scale of surreal.

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    5. Re:Tripod Trilogy - John Christopher by bjackson1 · · Score: 1

      Fun books to read at a young age. Most of it is pretty "iffy" in terms of science, etc, but a great read.

    6. Re:Tripod Trilogy - John Christopher by bigbigbison · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutely. I still read them every few years even though they are very much "Boy's Own Adventure" stuff with teens and tweens saving the world.

      Just a note, however, there's also a prequel which explains how the world happened but that ruins half the fun of the series. Do not read it first.

      It is an ok book but read it last. Half the fun of reading The White Mountains is figuring out what is going on, what time period it is and other things. Once you read the first three books then read the prequel to learn how the world got that way.

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  160. Before the Golden Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Edited by Asimov

    Out of print, but you can find it online.

  161. Hoover by YoungHack · · Score: 1

    H.M. Hoover's books like "Winds of Mars" would be great for young Sci Fi readers too.

  162. A few I remember by hkmarks · · Score: 1

    I loved Diane Duane's "Young Wizards" series. It's technically fantasy but the worldview is much more scientific than you'd think.

    My favourite for a long time was Monica Hughes' "Invitation to the Game" but she wrote many kids' SF books.

    I loved John Wyndham's "The Chrysalids" though I haven't read it in many years.

    They may also enjoy Osamu Tezuka's "Astro Boy". It's been out of print in English for a while so it's hard to find.

    1. Re:A few I remember by awol · · Score: 1

      I endorse the parent poster's recommendation of The Chrysalids and even further would highly recommend almost all of John Wyndhams work.

      I read a book called "Grinny" by Nicholas Fisk. I remember being scared but it was an excellent story.

      I also started reading Verne, Conan Doyle and some of the classic romantics (Dracula, Jekyll etc) in my first year of high school (I turned 12 that year).

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    2. Re:A few I remember by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      I second the "Young Wizards" series. It features protagonists that young readers can identify with, and I would go so far as to describe the "Young Wizards" universe as non-fantasy: it just runs on word-based science (aka: PROGRAMMING) instead of number-based science.

    3. Re:A few I remember by 21st+Century+Peon · · Score: 1

      I second "Grinny," and also the sequel, "You Remember Me". Also, "Z for Zachariah", although that might go in the "Young teen" section.

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  163. Anonymus Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about Charles Sheffield. He wrote a youth series ala Heinlein.

  164. Jules Verne books by BlueBlade · · Score: 2, Informative

    The first books I've read and still remember fondly these days were The Mysterious Island by Jules Verne. I think I was 9 or 10 years old at the time and the edition I read had some pencil-drawn pictures every 5 pages or so.

    Amazing, engrossing story of a group of people lost on an island and how they build their own little pocket of civilization. There's an engineer in the group and they build a watermill, a telegraph, etc. They even rebuff a pirate attack! I thought that was the coolest thing ever. I absolutely loved those books (I think it's only a single book, but the ones I had were split in two). They are accessible and I don't remember anything objectionable in them. There's a little tie-in at the end with Captain Nemo, from the Twenty Leagues Under the Seas story, but the books stand on their own.

    I highly recommend this book. Hmm, I wonder if I can find a good online version of it to read again...

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  165. Authors by Geek_engineer · · Score: 1

    I was pre-teen when I snuck into the teen section where all the good stuff was. Bradbury, Asimov, Verne (20,000 Leagues... and Mysterious Island the sequel), Wells, Del Rey, Heinlein, Clarke... My real advice - don't censor. Let them read anything they have interest in.

  166. More book suggestions by psychaotix · · Score: 1

    Id also suggest the Belgariad and Malloreon by David Eddings. The "Magician" series by Raymond E Feist is also a good choice, though its aimed at a more advanced level of reading ability My brother, 10, has ploughed through the Belgariad with very few troubles. Im yt to start him on the Magician series.

  167. What to read? A philosophy and some books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi,
    My early reading was less monitored by my parents than most, which was largely good and partly bad.

    As I mature, I'd suggest, don't be afraid to let your kids read and be exposed to fiction that deals with death, betrayal, corruption, and conflict; for me personally, it was a joy to come to learn and understand these sorts of ideas on my own.

    But on the other hand, vet the books first; a guy lying in bed talking with the woman he loves is very distinct from an explicit, graphic description of disgusting exualsay erversionspay [dumb google bots].

    With that in mind, I would extremely highly recommend:
    John Varley - "Red Thunder" (red lightning = seql)
    Orson Scott Card - "Ender's Game"
    Robert Heinlein - "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel"
    Charles Sheffield - "Higher Education"
    Charles Sheffield - "The Ganymede Club"
    Charles Sheffield - "Cold As Ice"
    L.E. Modessit - The Ecolitan series

    I also liked Greg Bear's novels "Eternity" and "Moving Mars".

    Peace,
    John

  168. Some more obscure options by ender- · · Score: 1

    I recall trying to read The TIme Machine in 5th grade. It didn't go so well. :) I really didn't understand it until I read it years later.

    With that said, around that age I really enjoyed the obvious classics like Chronicles of Narnia and The Hobbit.

    On the less common front, I was absolutely spellbound by a book called "Children of the Dust" by Louise Lawrence. It's a pretty harrowing story of the aftermath of a nuclear war, but wasn't so dark that it scarred me for life or anything. :)

    I also really enjoyed the works of William Sleator. These days he's kind of billed as a bit of a young adult 'horror' author a-la R.L. Stine, but Sleator's stuff isn't really that horrory.

    I particularly enjoyed "House of Stairs", "The Boy Who Reversed Himself", and "Interstellar Pig".

    I might also suggest that you let your kids read those books that you now find dark and cynical. You didn't find them so at a younger age, as the books typically work on multiple levels. Even if you didn't get all the aspects of the stories, if they were good enough for you to read and enjoy at that age, they are probably good enough for your kids to read.

    1. Re:Some more obscure options by ender- · · Score: 1

      I know, bad form to reply to myself, but someone else mentioned Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy [excellent choice!] and it reminded me of a few other series that I enjoyed in my younger days.

      Along a similar humorous vein was the Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison, and the "Myth" series starting with Another Fine Myth by Robert Asprin.

      Once they're a few years older, I'd also HIGHLY recommend A trilogy called "The Deed of Paksenarrion" by Elizabeth Moon [fantasy]. The 2nd book [and beginning of the 3rd] are pretty dark, but once they can get through the Hobbit, they can probably handle those books. The first book is called "Sheepfarmer's Daughter"

      It is easily in the top 5 of the best books/series I've ever read.

  169. Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat series! by brianc · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat series! by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      Seconded, they are great books for kids and adults alike - also, Hitch Hikers Guide, of course, but its always neat when somebody knows the Stainless Steel Rat books. I remember them very fondly from my youth.

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    2. Re:Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat series! by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      Seconded and thirded! Can't start basic sociology young enough.
      If your children are going to be growing up as criminals, they might as well be good at it.

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  170. Books and stuff and things... by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

    I recommend going to www.lasfsinc.info and find their Recommended Reading list for children and young adults. They also have an adult reading list.

    http://www.lasfsinc.info///index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=181

    The Los Angeles Science Fantasy society is the oldest continuous meeting science fiction literary society in America. Nice bunch of people too.

  171. Doctorow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctorow's cc-licensed "Little Brother" is great juvenile-political-scifi reading...

    Heck, I really enjoyed it as an adult.

    http://craphound.com/littlebrother/

  172. Re:Dark and Cynical? by nhaines · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, C.S. Lewis had been converted to Christianity by J.R.R. Tolkien and in fact wrote the Chronicles of Narnia as a sort of Christian allegory. The "overtones" (to put it mildly: I agree with others now that they are overwhelming and a bit cloying) are not really meant to be subtle.

    This is in contrast with The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings which does have a very Catholic foundation in its setting. The entire nature of the origins of the Elves--firstborn of the Children of Ilvatar--and their undying nature, the idea of the Halls of Mandos and the Gift of IllÃvatar (Elves were immortal only as long as Arda existed, but the spirits of Men lingered in the Halls of Mandos and then passed beyond the circles of the World), plus the hand of God guiding the heros (Frodo actually failed his Quest--it was impossible for him to overcome the lure of the One Ring, but because he showed Sméagol mercy and did everything that he had the strength to do, by divine fate the Ring was destroyed.

    All in all I far prefer the quiet, assumed Christianity of Middle-earth to the blatent allegory of Narnia. That said, I found the series delightful as a child.

  173. Hogan's Giants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    James P. Hogan's "Giants" trilogy (but the 4th book, "Entoverse" is for adults). First book is Inherit the Stars , about an odd situation involving a dead astronaut on the Moon who died 50,000 years ago.

  174. Good list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ranger's Apprentice series
    Artemis Fowl series
    Septimis Heap series
    The Amulet of Smarkand series
    The Yowler Foul-up series
    Seeker series
    Enders series

  175. Remember the age, people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As much as we all love Honor Harrington, Dune (I couldn't really get through that at 15, much less 11-12), etc, they're just a little too complicated for this age group. Personally, I'd recommend David Eddings's Belgariad/Mallorean. I read them at 8-9 and still occasionally reread them.

  176. Artemis Fowl. by Jaywalk · · Score: 1

    My wife is a junior high teacher and I raid her book supply for commuter reading. The best of the lot that I've come across is the Artemis Fowl by Eoin Colfer. It's tongue in cheek fantasy about a brilliant young thief who decides to steal gold from the Lower Elements Police Reconnaissance (LEPRecon for short). The sixth book in the series has just been released.

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    1. Re:Artemis Fowl. by Rupert · · Score: 1

      Seconded.

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  177. Suggestion by pcolaman · · Score: 0

    I see a lot of people suggesting LOTR, when I would actually suggest starting them with the Hobbit first. It's a bit easier to read and will introduce the backstory. Also, Wheel of Time is a great series but a little too mature for a pre-teen IMO. Lots of stuff in there that I think should be left until the teen years.

  178. "Invitation to the Game" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by Monica Hughes.

  179. Foundation Trilogy: Teen Protagonist by AJ+Mexico · · Score: 1

    They'll like the teenage protagonist of the Foundation trilogy. Also, my son loved some of the Asimov robot short stories, even when he was so young I had to read them to him.

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  180. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Broken+scope · · Score: 4, Informative

    The "sinner" is replaced by the blameless sacrifice, who is shamed, mocked then killed, the women weep over the body which disappears, then the blameless sacrifice is resurrected.

    Lion the witch and the wardrobe.

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  181. Maybe too young... by ppmax · · Score: 1

    I dont remember how old I was when I read these but I enjoyed The Tripods by John Christopher. Also, maybe a bit on the young side, The Gismo From Outer Space by Keo Felker Lazarus was a great read as a kid.

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  182. The Softwire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd definitely recommend The Softwire series, by PJ Haarsma. I believe he's on his second book at the moment. It's geared towards younger readers, but it's a great story. Nathan Filion (Mal from Firefly/Serenity) narrated the first audio book.

    http://www.thesoftwire.com

  183. Stanlaw Lem's the man by bursch-X · · Score: 0

    I can highly recommend anything from Stanislaw Lem. Not only are some of his books amusing to read ("The Star Diaries") they usually have a lot of depth and are socially critic and give you good food for thought. And some of them are just a good thriller ("Peace on Earth").

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  184. My picks by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 1

    1. Asimov. Doesn't have to be Foundation and friends, his other stuff is a tad easier to get at. Maybe Fantastic Voyage or something. And who knows? I enjoyed the Foundation novels at ~12, so they could perhaps be into it.
    2. I just read Podkayne of Mars by Heinlein. That could be interesting to them.
    3. Snowcrash.
    4. Neuromancer.
    5. This is more fantasy, but Philip Pullman's Dark Materials trilogy.
    6. This isn't reading, but get them to play through the old Wing Commander games.

    It's just a start...

    1. Re:My Picks by nosaj13 · · Score: 1

      Goto agree with the animorphs for pre-teens. I am a huge Sci-Fi fan an have enjoyed most of the greats; and alot of others along the way; but i got started on the animorphs and highly recommend it for that sorta age group.

    2. Re:My picks by andr0meda · · Score: 1

      Great list, you should try Dune, too because if you like SnowCrash you'll certainly like Dune!

      As for the parent's original question concerning reading material for pre-teens, I think Pratchett's discworld series can be appropriate, though somewhat thick. The same yields for the HitchHiker's I guess.

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  185. Little Brother by Cory Doctorow by MathBluster · · Score: 1

    Little Brother is hands-down the best young-adult sci-fi I've ever encountered. It's quite recent (within the last year), and is Creative-Commons licensed, so you can check it out before buying if you so desire. The writing is excellent, the story top-notch, and it's chock full of technophilia and anti-authoritarianism. Might be a bit too dark for pre-teens (judge for yourself). Everyone should read this before high school. I say that without reservation. http://craphound.com/littlebrother/ (Also, I second the recommendation for Invitation to the Game. I liked it.)

  186. Go to a local library book sale by WDot · · Score: 1

    And get yourself an anthology of short stories for 50 cents. There are a ton of good books that anyone can recommend, but there's a reason I'd recommend a book of short stories: Imagination. Within the course of a few hundred pages, your kids will be hit with so many new ideas and thoughts their heads will spin.

    Just as an example, in my old copy of "The Year's Best Science Fiction" (17th annual), I read about cryogenics and long term space travel, making "backups" of the human mind and even real-life events, engineering a spaceship to be a habitat, a version of history where Mohammed was prevented from starting Islam, the dangers of living on the moon (because of low gravity), a sport where manipulating wavelengths is the key to success, modifying the human body to become more efficient to the environment... And I've only read about half of the book!

    Many of the authors in this topic are amazing authors and a few of my childhood favorites, but don't let them miss out on the experience that is a sci-fi short story anthology.

  187. Three good series! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Tripod Trilogy

    The Outcast Trilogy

    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Trilogy (of 5)

    God so many great books!

  188. Tolkien, Asimov, Card & Choose your own Advent by MacLurch · · Score: 1

    They've already been mentioned but:

    The Hobbit (not Sci-Fi) got me hooked in 6th grade. I read LotR in 7th & 8th. Hooked forever.

    I, Robot (not the movie!). I think I've still got the copy dated in the 60's that I got from my Dad. The rest of the Robot Stories are a good follow on.

    Ender's Game is another one that I've read many times since Jr. High.

    Not mentioned (that I saw):

    Choose your own Adventure. If you can find them, these are some of the best books ever. There are lots of Time Travel and Sci-Fi stories in there. A game and a book. What more can you ask for?

    On a Pale Horse from Piers Anthony is a good novel that starts with an odd premise and leads to a few more good books.

  189. Red Wall by mkiwi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Along a similar line as Harry Potter-
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Brian Jacques' "Red Wall" series of books. Perhaps I am getting older, but those were a lot of fun when I was in elementary school.

    The series is about various critters who act like humans. Lots of well described scenes, battles, and specific personality traits characteristic of which type of critter you are looking at. Your kids will probably learn some vocabulary too.

    Thoughtful and well written series of books.

    1. Re:Red Wall by WobindWonderdog · · Score: 1

      Seconded, although not precisely scifi, Redwall was an enthralling series for me when I was younger =)

  190. Nina Reiser by sonchat · · Score: 1

    how do I work the *&&)(* firehose, I can't get it to show previous submissions about finding Nina Reiser's body.

  191. Some more fantasy... by Panaflex · · Score: 1

    My children love Olympians books by Percy Jackson. Very witty, and they learn a bit of greek as well.

    The Redwall series by Brian Jacques is great fiction as well.

    My own favorite experiences were from reading lots of HHGTTG and Arthur C Clarke... I enjoyed lots of classics as well.

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  192. My List (Terry Brooks, Steven Lawhead, etc) by nitroamos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I realize you are looking specifically for sci-fi, but since people who like that typically also like fantasy, here were some of my favorites.

    * When I was a pre-teen, I really enjoyed Sword of Shannara, and then I followed the series as more came out. Other Terry Brooks books are also great.

    * Almost all of Isaac Asimov's stuff. Foundation series, the spacer books, etc.

    * Chronicles of Narnia. These were the popular books for elementary kids where I was.

    * Some of the Star Wars books were good, but not all. Most were "unoriginal".

    * I read the Dune series when I was in middle school, and loved it. But I suspect only the 1st would hold the attention of a pre-teen.

    * Michael Crighton books scared me to death when I was a kid. Maybe I was too young when I read those.

    * Flatland. Helps you imagine what higher dimensions would "look" like.

    * Obviously LOTR + The Hobbit. Non-negotiable.

    * I read a lot of books by Steven Lawhead, many of them fit better in the fantasy category, but some were sci-fi like. I *really* enjoyed Empyrion.

    * Also, I really enjoyed sci-fi short stories. I felt they worked really well, but you'd have to find a collection.

    * Others: Madeline L'Engle, Ray Bradbury. I know he's not sci-fi or fantasy, but I really liked Shogun by Clavell. Hey, Japanese dress like aliens...

    I'm currently reading the Hyperion series by Dan Simmons, and I love it, but it's not for pre-teens. Save it for later.

  193. Re:Dark and Cynical? by mtgarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the record, Lewis wasn't trying to write "Evangelistic" literature. He wanted to teach children ideas about right/wrong, self-sacrifice, good behavior and such. His self-avowed goal with those series was to plant seeds of good conduct not to explicitly attempt a conversion.

    And, yes, I like the books and agree with what he did with them.

  194. Tripods trilogy by John Christopher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found the Tripods book trilogy very interesting and an easy read at that age. It was featured in the magazine Boy's Life which was how I found out about it.

    I also agree with the suggestions to start kids into Asimov's classics, probably starting with I, Robot. The nice thing about that book is that it's a collection of short stories, so you can take it in small bites. The stories are interrelated enough to keep you wanting to see what happens next.

    Asimov's Robots of Dawn are a good 2nd set before starting into Foundation.

  195. Tripod Series by Dan+B. · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Tripods Series is a great Sci-Fi read for that age. It's a vaguely Orwellian world of the future, ruled by aliens with man in controlled virtual slavery. Kids try to break free of control and rescue man, etc, etc....

    When the Tripods Came/White Mountains/City of Gold and Lead/Pool of Fire.

    I'm pretty sure the books are labelled in sequence order

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=the+pool+of+fire&x=0&y=0

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    1. Re:Tripod Series by OctaviusIII · · Score: 1

      I'd say read When the Tripods Came last. It's sort of the final huzzah to the series, and it ends on both a sad and a happy note, to see how things all began and whatnot. Very good books.

      There's also one that I don't recall the title of, perhaps someone could help? It involves a kid stranded on a desolate planet with stuff falling from the sky that eats metal. There are a bunch of sickly looking creatures, there's a wild girl involved, he's got a cybernetic arm...

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  196. My Picks by Sonnekki · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't forget The Animorphs!

    The Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy is both hilarious and accessable.

    Or maybe if they are feeling dangerous:

    NEUROMANCER!!!!!!!!!!

  197. Podkayne of Mars-Heinlein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Young adult book. EE Doc Smith lensman series. No sex but definitely violence. However, they're really awesome space opera, and the violence is less than most video games.

    Susan Cooper-The Dark is Rising series(5 books)

    Lloyd Alexander-The Black Cauldron series

    Roald Dahl-Not sci-fi I know but should be required reading.

  198. The Boy Who Reversed Himself by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

    By William Sleator

    Pretty good book for kids that gets into 4th and 5th dimensional geometry.

    For that matter, get them Flatland and Sphereland. You can get them as a single volume.

  199. Whoa - I forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Star trek novels of all decades (80's, 90's, 2000's) and for all series (but especially THE Star Trek, and TNG, and DS9) have a great wealth of good, low-level writing that still has pretty good/really good characters, settings, description, dialogue, and most importantly IDEAS!!!

    The ideas are usually nowhere near what a real sci-fi has, but are still leagues beyond any "creative thought" you can find outside of the genre [of sci-fi].

    Lastly [I love how Dr. Danny put it] I have never encountered any significantly graphic sax or violins in the novels; as always, you may as well vet them by reading them yourself - hey, that way, everybody wins:)

    And if you're wondering how to vet:
    if you encounter something so obscene or graphic you make a face and/or violin-tly throw the book across the room, don't give it to your kids. Maybe burn it:)

    But if its just something that makes you think "Is he old enough for this?" but does not jump out at you as disgustingly obscene/graphic/whatever,
    give the kid the benefit of the doubt.

    If you're really worried, get his opinion on it after, and explain WHY (whatever part/s) are objectionable.

    Peace again!
    John

  200. Brave new World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. Written nearly 70 years ago and more contemporary than ever. Dark, yes... but Sci-Fi is as much about futures we want as those we don't want. Read it as a kid and still remember it 30 years later.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

  201. Re: Sci-Fi Reads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Less Challenging:
    - Ender's game (only book 1. The rest take some dedication to appreciate)
    - The Deathgate cycle (Weis and Hickman)
    - Eye of the World (Robert Jordan, books 1 and 2 are very good... but it's all downhill from there)

    More Challenging:
    - I think Foundation is probably fine... above all Prelude to Foundation. I think I was 14 when I read/loved it.
    - 1984 (Orwell)

    Impossible:
    - Foucault's Pendulum

  202. Two I enjoyed.. by JustShootMe · · Score: 1

    "But we are not of Earth" and "Princes of Earth".

    Nemesis by Isaac Asimov might be good but I doubt it.

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  203. I fondly remember reading many good books! by glaese · · Score: 1

    John Carter of Mars Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs The Lensman Series by Doc EE Smith (corney but good) Tom Swift comes to mind. Also. on the Fantasy side, anything Xanth! (beware the "pun"-ishment!)

  204. Lifeforce by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

    Lifeforce series from Pournel
    Most of Allen Dean Fosters Flinx series
    Allen Dean Fosters Hichi stories
    Niven's N-Space
    Heinlein's Expanded Universe and Juvies
    Asimov's "I Robot" and Foundation series.
      - for that matter just about everything Asimov works.
    Card's Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow (most of the rest of each series is later in life for the main characters, but Shadow of the Hegemon may work also.
    Arthur C. Clark's short stories.
    Starbridge series by A. C. Crispin
    A lot of the fantasy by Mercedes Lackey

    Tip on this, start by reading the first two chapters at bed time with the allowance that they may continue from there as long as they are reading they may stay up. (If they stop reading to play games, throw things, etc. time for the foot to go down and them to get to sleep.)

    And have fun with the stories and your kids.

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  205. Re:Dark and Cynical? by mtgarden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also, you could check out the Binding of the Blade series. Definitely fantasy and overtly Christianized. The author does not explicitly mention Christianity, but the characters reference a single God and the story arc is about God's interaction with His creation, not about individual characters.

    The characters come and go (sadly), but ultimately their goal in life is to accomplish the will of God (i.e. your Christian overtones). And yeah, like Lewis, I agree with the author's theological points. So, I'm biased.

    Still these are VERY well written stories.

    Other than that caveat, the violence is not any more graphic than Tolkien and no other objectionable elements exist.

    I reviewed them more in depth at Conservativebooktalk.com.

  206. some reading suggestions for whipper snappers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    on the fantasy front...

    - The Dark is Rising series, by Susan Cooper
    - The Prydain Chronicles, by Lloyd Alexander
    - The Earthsea Cycle, by Ursula K. Le Guin
    - the Xanth series, by Piers Anthony

    as for sci fi...
    - "Superluminal", by Vonda N. McIntyre
    - "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH", by Robert C. O'Brien, illustrated by Zena Bernstein
    - Time Quartet, by Madeleine L'Engle ("A Wrinkle in Time", "A Wind in the Door", "Many Waters", "A Swiftly Tilting Planet"

    and here is a link to a list of sci fi for kids (some of the above are on it)
    http://www.colapublib.org/reading/children/sci-fi.html

    another light hearted and great book that ties the magic and science together is
    - "The Blood and Thunder Adventure on Hurricane Peak", by Margaret Mahy

  207. 13 Crimes of Science Fiction by floodo1 · · Score: 0

    A compilation edited by Isaac Asimov.
    Really great storeis in here. Not too many books concerning Sci-Fi crime!

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  208. Start with your favorites by carlzum · · Score: 1

    I loved reading my parents' favorites when I was a kid. You know best what's appropriate for them and you'll be able to discuss it when they're done. On more than one occasion my mother or father reread a book after I renewed their interest, or we picked up a new novel by the author and read it together.
    Sharing your love of reading with them can be as much fun for you as it is for them. Enjoy it, soon they'll be moody teens and college know-it-alls looking for literature that's their own.

  209. Zelazny by wytcld · · Score: 1

    Nine Princes in Amber, then on through the series. Smart, literary, very readable, amazing visual imagery (the various illustrators haven't come close to what the language suggests), philosophically suggestive, yet nothing too disturbing for a child.

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    1. Re:Zelazny by Fireshadow · · Score: 1

      Concur on the Chronicles of Amber series. I think it'd be appropriate for near-teenage boys. Characters have sword and gun fights to resolve personal problems and achieve personal desires. I would also recommend "Unicorn Variations" a collection of short stories. The title story won a Hugo award. Home is the Hangman is another Hugo winner story there. The novel "Roadmarks" is hard to find, but is a fun read. A road tht runs through time and the smuggler that travels it.

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  210. Bible? by Panaflex · · Score: 1

    Why? Because there's just tons of references to the Bible in almost all literature... even if you're agnostic it'll help you know when to run away when someone mentions "the road to Damascus" or "the prodigal son."

    Start with the brutal gen-o-cide page-turner (Genesis) and skip Numbers and Deuteronomy.
    (posted anonymously because I try to avoid flames... both virtual and spiritual!!) (PS... lame-n e s s filters suck...)

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  211. Good stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, yeah, yeah... Dune, the LOTR, Foundation, the Hitchhiker's Guide, etc. Those are all great books and obvious choices. But if you're looking for quality material that's specifically geared towards a younger audience, here are some of my personal favorites.

    The Wee Free Men and sequels by Terry Pratchet. All the quality of his other works, with a little less political satire.

    The Dark is Rising series by Susan Cooper. The first book's a bit boring, but they get much better after that.

    The My Teacher is an Alien series by Bruce Coville. I would almost consider these to be classics.

    The Tripod Trilogy by John Christopher.

    The Neverending Story by Michael Ende. Another classic.

    The Abhorsen series by Garth Nix. The content in these ones may be a bit mature, but they are found in the young adult section of my local bookstore.

    I'm a voracious reader and also a bit of a sci-fi/fantasy snob. (I never understood the Harry Potter craze.) These are all books that I can (and have) pull out at any time and still enjoy today. All of these are intelligent and well written. Some of the above posters seem to imply that just because a book is aimed at a younger audience, that it can't make you think and question yourself. That just isn't the case.

    Have fun!

  212. back in my day... by passion · · Score: 1

    In the mid to early 80s, I absolutely loved the Tom Swift series. Only later when I was looking for the 12th book in the series did I realize that Tom Swift had other series back in the 50s. Today I realize that it was the 3rd of 4 series:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Swift#Third_Tom_Swift_series_.281981-1984.29

    It appears that it's the only series set in outer space, which is probably why I loved them so much.

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  213. Re:Heinlein juveniles and others by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget RAH's first - Rocketship Galileo, and also Space Cadet, Time for the Stars. Also: I think 'The Rolling Stones' is the correct title of 'Space Family Stone', although I understand many of his early works were originally published serially, and under different titles; that may be the case here, but the novel has always been known to me as 'The Rolling Stones.' I would also include 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' and 'Starship Troopers' here, and perhaps 'The Puppet Masters.' I read all of these before I hit 12, and had no problems with them. Indeed, Moon is perhaps my favourite book to this day, even though I don't agree with some of Heinlein's social or some of his political views, it certainly formed or firmed a lot of my beliefs then and since. I don't see any need to avoid political stuff simply due to being young. On the contrary, much like with pets, it's good to get exposure early, else you might develop an allergy later in life. :)

    Other good ones include Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books (originally credited to his alter ego, 'Paul French', I think). There are also Schmitz's "Telzey Amberdon" books, as well as his classic "The Witches of Karres." Clarke's "Islands in the Sky", Gallun's "The Planet Strappers" (hard to find, but awesome), "Across a Billion Years" by Silverberg, "Space Angel" by John Maddox Roberts, "Healer" by F. Paul Wilson, "Eridahn" by Robert Young (dinosaurs! Time travel! Martians! Aliens! (yes, Martians and Aliens are listed separately here :)), someone else already mentioned "Welcome to Mars" by Blish, and I'll certainly second that. There's a LOT more to E.E. Doc Smith than his Lensman and Skylark books, and I think I'd recommend them all. "Spacial Delivery" by Gordon Dickson was a good one, as are "Talking to Dragons" by Patricia Wrede, (which is apparently part of a series. This is the only one that I've read, and it stands alone brilliantly), the Harper Hall trilogy by Anne McCaffrey (set on the Pern world), and the undersea books by Jerry Pournelle (I think) I remember as being quite fun, too. Also: Robert Aspirin's "MythAdventures" books, and Piers Anthony's "Xanth" books (though the older you are, the more you'll get the 'awful' puns).

    Many, if not most, of these, will need to be purchased used, due to the sad state of the publishing industry. *sigh*

    I actually wrote a gigantic list on this subject several years ago on Slashdot - you may be able to find it via a search by using some of the more unique titles or names listed here as keywords.

  214. My childhood favourites by Traf-O-Data-Hater · · Score: 1

    'The Spaceship under the Apple Tree' by Louis Slobodkin. Every kid wishes a spaceship would land in their backyard, this is that story. There are sequels but unfortunately never found them.
    'Kings of Space' by Capt WE Johns. Yes, the Biggles author. Ten easy-to-read books, great adventures. Basically, Biggles in Space! One of the protagonists is ex-RAF, he takes his hunting rifle on interplanetary trips. This comes in useful when one super-advanced (and weaponless) planet they visit is suddenly invaded, he wins the day by taking potshots at the invader's ships :)
    Perry Rhodan books were great too.

    1. Re:My childhood favourites by BoydWaters · · Score: 1

      Slobodkin is GREAT!
      http://www.slobodkin.org/books/index.html

  215. One word: Huxley by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if these are actually sci-fi, but I enjoyed Brave New World and Island by Aldous Huxley. I read them when I was 15.

  216. John Cristopher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No-one's mentioned John Christopher yet, so I'll recommend him. I read a lot of his stuff as a kid and loved it.
    Try "The Tripods" trilogy, and the "Prince in Waiting" trilogy for starters.

    Also, "The Triffids" by John Wyndham. :)

    Enjoy

  217. Norby, the Mixed-Up Robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would suggest the Norby series of short stories by Janet and Isaac Asimov. They are simple engaging stories for younger kids. It is about a robot name Norby, and the young space cadet who found it in a used robot shop.

  218. Other suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Serious classic author: E. E. "Doc" Smith, anything
    Classic author: H. Beam Piper, anything
    Classic author: H. G. Wells, anything
    I second the nomination of Jules Verne, anything
    #
    For variety:
    H. Rider Haggard, Adventure, anything
    Rafael Sabatini, Adventure, The Sea Hawk, Captain Blood, Scaramouche
    #
    For the politically incorrect: Tom Swift (parential advice possibly)
    #
    Many of these are available (free) at Project Gutenbert and LibriVox.

  219. Classics not yet mentioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in my 50s, so what I read as a pre-teen is now somewhat obscure. I won't list those that have already been mentioned, but here's a few that I read, and re-read, and re-read again...

    A Life For The Stars - James Blish
    Rite Of Passage - Alexi Panshin
    Between Planets - Robert Heinlein
    The Lensman Series - E.E. "Doc" Smith
    The Stars My Destination - Alfred Bester (Best SF book ever, IMHO)

  220. Censorship is Bad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you didn't notice the politics in Starship Troopers, your kids won't either.

    Don't try to limit what your kids read. The occasional swear word, or bad situation won't corrupt them.

    As for recommendations, Cory Doctorow is a great author. His newest novel, Little Brother, is meant for young adults. It might be a little soon for pre-teens, but maybe not. I was reading The Sword of Truth when I was twelve.

  221. Too much sex for most parents! by Sun+Chi · · Score: 1

    People are coming up with some great books, but the parents of most pre-teens, or parents period, wouldn't approve.

    For example: Ringworld, Snowcrash, Cryptonomicon, Neuromancer -- all of these have rather heavy sex scenes. Remember now, eh?

    Forget the books with complex politics or the fact that Harry Potter isn't Sci-Fi; these kinds of books are the worst possible picks. Sex is the biggest problem in selecting for any pre-adult reading list. I don't care if less-than-13-years-olds read about perfectly natural human interactions like sex. In my opinion, it is better than reading about intense violence. And maybe my parents wouldn't have freaked at me reading them at 11, but most parents would.

    My List: H. G. Wells, Jules Verne, Heinlein's youth oriented stuff, and The Hitchhikers Guide series.

  222. Heinlein JUVENILES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there's a whole set of Heinlein books aimed at younger (pre-teen to early teen) readers. Have SpaceSuit Will Travel, Farmer in the Sky, The Rolling Stones, etc, etc. Basically, all have teenage heroes/heroines, and are less political/lighter than his adult books.

    Bob

  223. Clarke by Nicodemus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anything written by Arthur C Clarke. I was devouring everything clark when I was around 10. I started with Rendezvous with Rama, which remains my favorite book of all time. It was actualy on the pre-teen shelf at the library when I was a kid. The sequels are really good, too, imo... though many disagree. The 2001 series is good, Hammer of God, Songs of Distant Earth, Childhood's End. Too many to list. Sometimes the themes are a little advanced, but don't underestimate young readers. I think kids should pick up more advanced books early anyways... it helps development. Too many adults these days are still stuck in a Dr. Seuss world =)

    Nicodemus

    1. Re:Clarke by ivucica · · Score: 0

      Indeed, I have great memories starting with 2001 and its sequels. Then I devoured more and more of Clarke's opus. Hm, that reminds me, I should try to find more his works I haven't read and complete my Clarke reading.

    2. Re:Clarke by rgviza · · Score: 1

      >Rendezvous with Rama

      +5

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    3. Re:Clarke by rgviza · · Score: 1

      >Rendezvous with Rama
      +5

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    4. Re:Clarke by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Too many adults these days are still stuck in a Dr. Seuss world =)

      I'll get back to you when I've gotten this one last Truffula Tree.

  224. Re:HHGTTG by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

    I believe I first read HHGTTG when I was ~11, and while some of the irony and sarcasm probably went over my head, there was still more than enough humor and adventure to keep me interested in the book.

  225. H2G2 & RD by jaminJay · · Score: 1

    I agree with many of the recommendations here, but would add to the Hitchhiker's Guides the Red Dwarf novels (Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers and Better Than Life, especially) for two reasons: the discussed universe is restricted by there not being any alien cultures, etc., allowing a somewhat unique viewpoint in the sci-fi world; and it tends to be quite funny. No matter what anyone tells you, comedy requires insightful thought processes on behalf of the audience; being humourous about thoughtful topics even more so.

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  226. Re:Dark and Cynical? by XeresRazor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or as my wife like to succinctly put it "OMG WTF Jesus Lion"

  227. State Bird Studies... :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing honors the Mosquito more than the Deathworld trilogy by Harry Harrison. A light fun read with plenty of action... I highly recommend.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathworld

    In addition to my challenge one summer to go from the true beginning of Asimov's Robots/Empire/Foundation story line to the end. Needless to say much time was spent in Half Price Books. (Also a great spot to get such pulpy Sci-Fi).

  228. Think about this for a minute. by CDarklock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't remember these books as dry and cynical because you didn't care.

    You're not seeing them the same way today. Just as I look back on books I loved as a child and see new things, so do you. But the fact remains: they were good books. Children are very, very good at ignoring the things they don't understand in favor of the things they do.

    Consider just handing them Heinlein, and letting them figure it out for themselves. Children are robust little machines for making sense of the world. Give them "Stranger in a Strange Land"; all the sex and religion parts whizzed right by me as a kid, and I mainly came away from it with an appreciation for cultural differences. So if you were looking at that book thinking the sex and religion parts were too much, you might be right, but you're also throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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    1. Re:Think about this for a minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree 100%. But I suggest Wrinkle in Time and anything by Arthur C. Clark - It was political and I got some then and later when I read it again I got some more. Let it be iterative with your young ones too. This is how we all grow.

    2. Re:Think about this for a minute. by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

      Good point. My father had a collection of art house and underground comics that I used to read a lot, even before I could actually understand the languages in them. (Freak Brothers, Manara's works, Moebius come to mind) Drug use, nudity, sexual content, it was all there. And you know what? It didn't shock me, or traumatize me - I didn't care. None of that stuff connected with me, I had no first-hand experience with anything related and so it meant nothing to me. Now that I think about it, I used to read the Freak Brothers just for the Fat Freddy's Cat mini-strips that were at the bottoms of the pages - the rest of it seemed way too boring to me.

    3. Re:Think about this for a minute. by Quantus347 · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. One if the things I loved growing up was going back and reading some books i had read much younger and getting lines and passages that I had always glossed past before. McCaffery's Pern series is a good example of that. I think it was nice to have books like that that grew in depth as I did. But then for ever one that did kept up, dozens fell behind. They'll have to find the one they get into the most.

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      Common Sense isn't as Common as people think...
    4. Re:Think about this for a minute. by acklenx · · Score: 1

      It might be a little hard to get them to pay any attention in church after they read "A Stranger in a Strange Land". I think it _will_ catch up with with them in Sunday school - and your kids quoting Heinlein back to the teacher probably won't go over well

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    5. Re:Think about this for a minute. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got to agree with CDarklock on this. I was raised in a very strict religious home. I went to religious schools and went to church dutifully 2x a week. Skirts & dresses for girls, no cards, no dice, no dancing, no music with drums etc. Being female I was taught not to think because my husband would do that for me.

      As a young teen I got my hands on "Stranger in a Strange Land" and it honestly changed my outlook on life. It opened my eyes to tolerance, religious and otherwise. I began to question my religion but not my faith, something that I don't think most books can pull off. I was a voracious sci-fi reader after that.

      I put myself through college and now a successful Unix sys admin. As an adult I find that I am much more tolerant than those I work with and I'm not a jealous person. Both things I attribute to the novel.

      Sure it's dark and has sex, bur reading that book is what moved me from a child to a thinking adult.

  229. Percy Jackson series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My kids are voracious readers of sci-fi/fantasy stuff and we've been through the Harry Potters, Jules Verne, etc.

    Recently they have been reading a newer series of books called 'Percy Jackson and the Olympians' by Rick Riordan and love them. It is set in modern times with the premise that the Greek goods are still around. The series follows the adventures of a son of Poseidon and a mortal woman as he and his other half-god friends on various adventures. Does a good job of tying in with the classic stories. It actually got my kids so interested in mythology in general that my wife had to go get them each a copy of a mythology textbook.

    My wife & I read the books as well and they are really enjoyable and fun. Good adventure yarn.

    The punchline came when the kids were watching a Stargate rerun and connected the dots on a couple of the mythology references.

  230. John Norman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I highly reccomend John Norman's Gor books, nothing like a little sci-fi, romance, and a plain way to make sure they know their place as males and how females have a basic need to be dominated by them!

  231. Michael Moorcock by jsse · · Score: 1

    I'd strongly recommend all of the works of Michael Moorcock. He wrote sci-fi as well as fantasy.

  232. LRH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything by L. Hon Hubbard is very funny but you might lose your children!

  233. Re:Dark and Cynical? by novakyu · · Score: 1

    Actually, C.S. Lewis had been converted to Christianity by J.R.R. Tolkien and in fact wrote the Chronicles of Narnia as a sort of Christian allegory.

    Er, I thought it was the other way around---I thought C.S. Lewis converted J.R.R. Tolkien to Christianity, and that's why you could read Christian themes into LOTR if you try at all.

    As far as I know, C.S. Lewis has always been a Christian writer.

  234. The Thirteen and a Half Lives of Captain Bluebear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pre-Teen is hard...

    I think the first SF I did read where the The Star Diaries from Stanislaw Lem and I enjoyed them as much for the jokes as for the way they did confuse me.

    As teenager I liked the Stainless Steel Rat books from Harry Harrison, but they are already somewhat darker.

    Terry Pratchett certainly - he has some books which are probably fine for kids. Like "Only you can save Mankind".

    For fantasy I can recommend strongly "The Thirteen and a Half Lives of Captain Bluebear" from Walter Moers. One of those incredible books for all ages.

  235. Re:Barsoom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by JAZ · · Score: 1

    I agree, but John Carter and Tars Tarkas' adventured on Barsoom.

    just sayin'

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  236. Butterfly effect, Re:Foundation by quenda · · Score: 1

    Foundation series is good.
    Just make sure they haven't read anything about chaos theory and the butterfly effect first :-)

    For younger kids "A wrinkle in Time" by Madeleine L'Engle is one of the greats.

  237. In the same vein: by weston · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lloyd Alexander's books. His "Chronicles of Prydain" (starting with "The Book of Three") are probably his best work, but he's got some other wonderful stuff.

    Jeff Smith's Bone -- don't hold the fact that it's a graphic novel against it. :)

    1. Re:In the same vein: by PMuse · · Score: 1

      Lloyd Alexander's books. His "Chronicles of Prydain" . . .

      This would have been my number one fantasy recommendation for young readers. The best of the bunch IMHO are Taran Wanderer (4th), a wonderful coming of age story, and The Castle of Llyr (3rd), a lovely tale of young love. First time readers may prefer The Book of Three (1st), The Black Cauldron (2nd), and The High King, which are more action-adventure in nature.

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    2. Re:In the same vein: by TomRK1089 · · Score: 1

      Dang, you beat me to it -- I was going to recommend Bone myself. It's an excellent graphic novel that's both lighthearted and funny at points, yet still full of great action sequences and epic battles.

      Slightly off-topic, now you've got me reminiscing about being back in the 90s and waiting for each new trade paperback to come out...

      Llyod Alexander is another excellent choice. I read the Chronicles of Prydain when I was in either fourth or fifth grade, and it was a great introduction to fantasy.

      Another author to consider, though he's more horror than sci-fi or fantasy, is Jonathan Bellairs. He wrote some excellent stuff for younger readers and pre-teens, such as The House With A Clock in its Walls. Plenty of plucky 1950's-style action, with a young protagonist who your kids will likely identify with.

      I see some people have mentioned Ray Bradbury, but I didn't spot Something Wicked This Way Comes up there. Again, it's more horror than s/f, but still an excellent read and will get them interested in the other stuff he wrote as well.

      Timothy Zahn is another great sci-fi author. He's done Star Wars novelizations, but I personally think his best work is his original stuff, such as Manta's Gift, The Icarus Hunt, and Angelmass. Have your kids check out his Dragonback series as well -- even I'm still reading it to see what happens.

      If I think of more while I'm at work, I'll post a new reply ;)

    3. Re:In the same vein: by Cogline · · Score: 1

      Also off the beaten path:

      * Warlock in Spite of Himself by Christopher Stasheff
      This is a very interesting bridge between science and fantasy, while spending equal time on both. He continued on with this main character for several more books, and then started a spin-off series for the main character's son.

      * The Stainless Steel Rat by Harry Harrison
      This is a delightful sci-fi series that provides comedy and fun for younger readers, but more food for thought when re-read later.

      * Jhereg (Vladimir Taltos) books by Steven Brust
      More fantasy than sci-fi, but a delightful series with lots of character development that stays good for any age reader.

      I hope this helps fill out your summer list, and many to come. I know it has added some to mine!

      Cogline

    4. Re:In the same vein: by Btarlinian · · Score: 1

      Along the same vein, Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising series is excellent. It's probably more for the preteen set than for teenagers though, but it's still a great read when you get older.

    5. Re:In the same vein: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Eoin Colfer?

      Artemis Fowl - 2/3 sequels
      and some of the greatest characterizations/plots I have ever read...

  238. The complete Heinlein juvenile list: by DeComposer · · Score: 4, Informative
    • Rocket Ship Galileo
    • Space Cadet
    • Red Planet
    • Farmer in the Sky
    • Between Planets
    • The Rolling Stones
    • Starman Jones
    • The Star Beast
    • Tunnel in the Sky
    • Time for the Stars
    • Citizen of the Galaxy
    • Have Space Suit--Will Travel
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    1. Re:The complete Heinlein juvenile list: by sconeu · · Score: 1

      The Future History anthology ("The Past Through Tomorrow") is very good for this age as well.

      I read "Time Enough for Love" at 13, but it's a bit mature for pre-teens.

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    2. Re:The complete Heinlein juvenile list: by SQL+Error · · Score: 1

      Also - though they aren't canonically part of the juvenile list - The Door into Summer, Podkayne of Mars, and Double Star should be fine for pre-teens.

    3. Re:The complete Heinlein juvenile list: by hardsky · · Score: 1

      Great list!
      I would add:
      Heinlein 'The Door into Summer' (not sure, but i just like it)
      Harry Harrison 'Stainless Steel Rat'
      Harry Harrison 'Deathworld'
      Clifford Simak 'The Werewolf Principle'
      Ursula Le Guin 'A Wizard of Earthsea'
      Sprague de Camp 'The Goblin Tower'
      Gordon Dickson 'The Genetic General'
      Gordon Dickson 'The Dragon and the George'
      Andre Norton 'Witch World'
      Alfred van Vogt 'The World of Null-A'

    4. Re:The complete Heinlein juvenile list: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
      The Number of the Beast
      The Revolt in 2100
      The Cat Who Walks Through Walls
      The Menace From Earth

    5. Re:The complete Heinlein juvenile list: by frogzilla · · Score: 1

      Do you have a 13 year old son? Have you reread these and many others of the classics of early science fiction? I think you will find the style extremely dated. It just doesn't fit well with modern kids. My son said "Have Space Suit Sill Travel" was boring. This hurt me a bit, until I reread it. Then I could see what he meant. I grew up in the 70s and 80s on Tom Swift, books by Heinlein, Asimov and their contemporaries. After thinking a bit more critically about them, I don't think they are actually that brilliant. They are a bit hokey and contrived and Heinlein especially has such an agenda. I was probably quite impressionable. Sadly, most SF is really not good literature though it can be fine entertainment.

      My son and his older sister really liked books from The Three Investigators series. Not SF and written a little later (well the first batch is from the nineteen-sixties). The writing also isn't really that good in this case.

      There are many age appropriate fantasy titles out there. Unfortunately, there are too many fantasy titles out there. Far too many. Most of them are drivel.

    6. Re:The complete Heinlein juvenile list: by Cadallin · · Score: 1

      ARG! Nobody mentions the short fiction. There's a quite substantial catalog of it, and almost all excellent.

  239. The Artemis Fowl series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are a blend of sci-fi and fantasy but absolutely enjoyable

  240. At that age, plot and characters make the book... by Kreisler · · Score: 0

    In middle school, I remember reading Dune, Ringworld, and some Heinlein. I also discovered Hitchhiker's Guide around that time. I also haven't seen David Brin mentioned yet. The larger concepts will probably be a bit too abstract, but his books are full of unusual and interesting characters. Another possibility are the Star Trek/Wars and other movie/TV tie-in novels. Many are quite good and would be instantly accessible if the kids are familiar with the movies. Karen Traviss' (of the Wess 'Har series) did some writing for the Star Wars series if I remember correctly.

  241. Harry Harrison by Hashi+Lebwohl · · Score: 1

    The Stainless Steel Rat series. Can't remember when I started them, but it couldn't have been later than 12 or so. Loved every minute!

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    1. Re:Harry Harrison by picross · · Score: 1

      I would agree - they were very funny. They are set in the future and have discovered that God doesn't exist if that matters to you.

      I have also recently read the Eragon and Artemis Fowl series - both more fantasy but still a good entertaining read.

    2. Re:Harry Harrison by CryptoKiller · · Score: 1

      Harry Harrison was one of my favourite authors when I was kid. The Stainless Steel Rat books were excellent!

      Cheers,

      Richard

  242. E E Doc Smith by LazJen · · Score: 1

    E E Doc Smith did great Space Opera genre - these were a great read as a kid for me. Particularly the Lensman series.

    As others have said, the Heinlein books targetted to youth are excellent as well - and can give a good lead in to his more political works later.

    Some of Arthur C Clarke's books might be appropriate as well.

    Julian May's Exile series - I remember enjoying that a lot.

    I'm sure you've done some googling, etc, but in case you haven't trying searching for terms such as "Space Opera", "Youth SF", etc. I'm sure that'll turn up a lot of information.

  243. Learn your roots... by Tamugin · · Score: 1

    I have to second several mentions here. Giving your kids an opportunity for a good grounding in classic sci-fi/fantasy literature will pay back in spades. I've also added in some more recent enjoyments.

    * A.E. van Vogt - just about anything will do
    * Andre Norton - again, just about anything
    * Edmond Hamilton - _The Best of Edmond Hamilton_ collection
    * Leigh Brackett - _The Best of Leigh Brackett_ collection
    * Heinlein juveniles - _Time for the Stars_, _The Starbeast_, etc.
    * E.E. "Doc" Smith - Lensman hexology
    * Asimov - Robots series
    * Bester - _Stars my Destination_ is a little mean, but workable
    * Clifford Simak - _Time and Again_
    * Weis and Hickman - DragonLance Chronicles and Legends trilogies
    * Robert Jordan - Wheel of Time series, long and a bit more grown up, but your kids will handle them
    * L'Engle - Time Quartet
    * Patricia McKillip - Riddle-Master trilogy
    * Tolkien - they'll handle the classic four
    * Robin McKinley - _The Blue Sword_, _The Hero and the Crown_
    * Anne McCaffrey (and others) - Dinosaur Planet series, especially the latter three: _Sassinak_, _The Death of Sleep_, _Generation Warriors_
    * C.J. Cherryh - _Downbelow Station_, _Rimrunners_
    * Arthur H. Landis - _A World Called Camelot_
    * Neal Stephenson - if they like history, _Cryptonomicon_

    That's about all my poor brain can dump at this time.

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    Chris
  244. Little Brother and others. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cory Doctorow's new "Little Brother" is considered youth literature and is something you can enjoy reading along with them.

    They probably would enjoy "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" series ... and in a few years when they reread it, they'll love it all over again. There is some arial sex over Islington though.

    Terry Pratchett works for just about any age group, but isn't actually Sci-Fi (more fantasy). Also in the Fantasy camp, "The Chronicles of Narnia" are probably best read as a child before they are old enough to pick apart the analogies.

  245. Asimov short stories by spandex_panda · · Score: 1

    I think these are a great place to start, I have read asimov for a long time and I still love his books of short stories most! All are good and some ideas have stuck in my mind long after. So one big vote for books of Asimov short stories. Gee other than that, I didn't read much sci-fi as a kid, I did read Stephen King thought, they are an easy read, no science in there thought!

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  246. Clifford D Simack / Susan Cooper by Lil'wombat · · Score: 1

    City and Time is the Simplest Thing are two of his best.

    Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising series is also excellent.

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  247. Good young reads by Wulfkiller · · Score: 1

    James H. Schmitz has many great titles for preteens. The Witches of Karres, Eternal Frontier, Agent of Vega, The Hub: Dangerous Territory, Trigger and Friends, T.N.T:Telzey & Trigger, Telzey Amberdon have all been rereleased by Baen so you can still get them. Terry Pratchett has several books aimed at preteens. The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents, The Wee Free Men, A Hat Full of Sky, Wintersmith are all good reads that you may read together with them and enjoy yourself too. That should get a a quick start as all are in print. The problem with a lot of the classics are you need to get them at used bookstores as many are out of print.

  248. My favs by etherlad · · Score: 1

    I was pleasantly surprised to find that my top choice, Anne McCaffrey, was one of the first posts. here.

    I started in on her Dragonriders of Pern series. It waffles back and forth between sci-fi and fantasy, but it's definitely a great read. I stopped with the Masterharper of Pern, which was a good dozen books in, at least, and there've been more since. The Harper Hall miniseries (Dragonsong, Dragonsinger, Dragondrums) is more aimed at the younger crowd, so it might be a good introduction for preteens, with the main body of the series once they get a little older.

    There's also the Brainship series (the Ship who Sang, the Ship Who Search, the City who Fought, etc.), the Crystal Singer series, both the Talents series, and so on.

    Aside from McCaffrey, can't go wrong with the Chronicles of Narnia.

    I also enjoyed Piers Anthony. Stay away from Xanth unless you want to stunt their minds with endless puns and what is practically porn. Instead, look for the Incarnations of Immortality (On A Pale Horse, etc.) and the Phaze/Proton books (Out of Phaze, etc).

    Since I mostly covered fantasy, Asimov's full-length novel "Nightfall" was fun.

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    1. Re:My favs by dreamer-of-rules · · Score: 1

      I also enjoyed Piers Anthony. Stay away from Xanth unless you want to stunt their minds with endless puns and what is practically porn. Instead, look for ... the Phaze/Proton books (Out of Phaze, etc).

      Funny you should recommend Phaze/Proton.. I grabbed that from the library as a teenager because of the nearly naked chick on the cover of the second book. Then went back to read the first book, which takes place in a fully nude society, begins with the protagonist having sex with a stranger, and includes the same protagonist having loving sex with a unicorn. As I recall, he casts a spell on himself to last through her "heat". I'm not saying it's bad. But in addition to the wonderful puzzles, games, and magic, there is a fair bit of "porn". :)

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    2. Re:My favs by etherlad · · Score: 1

      Funny you should recommend Phaze/Proton.. I grabbed that from the library as a teenager because of the nearly naked chick on the cover of the second book. Then went back to read the first book, which takes place in a fully nude society, begins with the protagonist having sex with a stranger, and includes the same protagonist having loving sex with a unicorn. As I recall, he casts a spell on himself to last through her "heat". I'm not saying it's bad. But in addition to the wonderful puzzles, games, and magic, there is a fair bit of "porn". :)

      You know, you're right, and I had forgotten about that entirely. I guess it just wasn't as blatant as it was in Xanth, where women are showing off their bountiful bosoms and mens' eyes become literally stuck in their heads as a result, which I always thought was a bit childish.

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  249. Coupla three newer series... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alex Rider
    Percy Jackson and the Olympians
    Ranger's Apprentice

    My 2 boys (9 & 11) love these.

  250. Asimov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked the Norby Series when I was young
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norby

  251. Some that haven't been mentioned yet... by Samrobb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Series:

    • Steven Brust's "Jhereg" series
    • Glen Cook's "Black Company" series
    • Jim Butcher's "Cursor" series
    • Tamora Pierce's "Lady Knight" series

    Novels:

    • "God Stalk" and "Dark of the Moon" by PC Hodgell
    • "The Practice Effect" by David Brin
    • "Spaceling" by Doris Piserchia
    • "Dreamsnake" by Vonda Mcintyre
    • "Doorways in the Sand" and "Lord Demon" by Zelazny
    • "Millenium" by John Varley
    • "The Door Into Summer" by RAH
    • "Caves of Steel" by Asimov
    • "City", "Mastadonia", "Project Pope", "Cemetery World", "The Goblin Reservation"... really, just about anything by Clifford D. Simak.
    • Ditto for anything by Manly Wade Wellman

    Collections:

    • "Unacomapnied Sonata" by Orson Scott Card
    • "Unicorn Variations" by Zelazny
    • "The Best of Frederick Brown" by... well... Frederick Brown
    • "The Long ARM of Gil Hamilton" by Larry Niven
    • "Casebook of Jules De Grandin" by Seabury Quinn
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    1. Re:Some that haven't been mentioned yet... by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Agreed on Tamora Pierce (fantasy), though I'd take it beyond Lady Knight - all the Tortall books, and the Circle books as well, are worth reading IMO. My sister and I both loved the Lioness books, and she couldn't have been more than about 9 when we picked up the first one.

      Witches of Eileanan (spelling probably a bit off) is also good, fun fantasy.

      One of the first sci-fi I remember taking from my father's shelf, other than The Star Beast, was a series called the Stainless Steel Rat.

      Starswarm, by Pournelle, is a fun read that should be suitable to a near-teen audience.

      The Animorphs books were quick and trivially easy to read even at a very young age, but I liked them until I outgrew them. They're great as intro sci-fi, though.

      Redwall is a fun series (fantasy), though overly formulaic. It got predictable after the first few (the very first is actually one of the less formulaic, though among the most cliched, but to a your reader that's probably not a problem).

      I didn't have a problem with the Dragonriders of Pern books when I was young, though they certainly contain some adult themes. Kids really are good at filtering out all that for the parts they like understand.

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  252. A Song of Ice and Fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Martin's "A Game of Thrones," along with the subsequent books. Kicks the shit out of 99.5% of other fantasy books.

  253. Westerfeld & Doctorow by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    I can't believe I forgot to mention Scott Westerfeld's "Uglies" series (Uglies, Pretties, Specials, Extras).

    Fantastic stuff, and quite thought-provoking. I was surprised how well the quality held up - every one is better than the one before.

    Also, Cory Doctorow's recent "Little Brother" is an absolute gem, and should be on every geek's gift list to everyone they know, kid or adult.

    1. Re:Westerfeld & Doctorow by akp · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Peeps, which is my favorite Westerfeld.

      Seriously, a lot of the best SF/F is being marketed in the YA section these days. I'd refer everyone to this thread at BoingBoing, which has a good overview of recent YA.

      And everyone here at Slashdot who hasn't recommended Little Brother yet should be ashamed.

    2. Re:Westerfeld & Doctorow by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Peeps, which is my favorite Westerfeld.

      Indeed, Peeps was great, but I was a bit disappointed in the sequel. I think Peeps would make a great movie, if handled correctly.

      re: your link to Boing Boing

      Gads, I can't believe I forgot Varley's 'Thunder' books. Great stuff that I just read within the last year.

      I also like the Lt. Leary books by David Drake. A much less serious and less technical version of Weber's Honor Harrington books, I suppose you could describe them as.

      I know I'm forgetting a lot more, but it's been a long day, and I'm going home now. *yawn*

    3. Re:Westerfeld & Doctorow by T3Tech · · Score: 1

      I would second Doctorow. I'm actually surprised that this is the only mention I've seen of him, particularly since he releases his books/stories in electronic format for free.

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  254. Heinlein's adolescent stuff... by infochuck · · Score: 1

    "The Rolling Stones", "Citizen of the Galaxy", "Have Spacesuit - Will Travel", "Farmer in the Sky", "Tunnel in the Sky", "Red Planet".

    I'd even recommend them in roughly that order.

    I've not read these in many years, but they are what got me into SF, with a vengence for a spell. Say what you will about the man, his JuvFic was wonderful, escapist stuff. I hope they hold up well with a modern reading, because I'm really starting to get a jones to re-read these classics.

  255. CS Lewis, John Christopher, & the classics by Rouverius · · Score: 1

    Pulling from my childhood memories... CS Lewis was mentioned already. But obviously, the Narnia series. The Space Trilogy... but it maybe be a bit hard to follow for on a young reader. John Christopher's Tripod Trilogy ("The White Mountains" , "The City of Gold and Lead" , "The Pool of Fire" ) - Basically what would have happened if HG Well's Invaders from "The War of the Worlds" didn't die of a cold. Told from the perspective of pre-teen boys on how the world might resist that type of subjugation. Although those old dusty classics don't seem to have much appeal at first these days, but they are hidden treasures; especially for new readers! (ex. Robinson Crusoe)

  256. As an avid Sci-fi/Fantasy reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I definitely second Ender's Game. I've read that four or five times without it getting old. The first couple of sequels are decent as well, but they eventually get long and never come close to the original. I would also recommend some of Asimov's books that aren't part of a series. Nightfall is good, as is Nemesis. All of R.A. Salvatore's Dark Elf books are excellent, but they get more than a bit violent at parts. They're also fantasy. I'd also recommend collections of short stories, although alot of those (unless published by Random House) are more for teens and adults. John Cristopher's Tripod series is very good, and not too far out of preteen material. There's a series called Broken Sky, which is fantasy/sci-fi but very good. It maybe a tad violent, and there's the fact that a lot of the books are out of print, but it reads like a comic book. Ha looking around my room I can see more sci-fi books than I can count, but all in all I'd just recommend the classics and short stories, although I'd either read them or research some of them first.

  257. The Cyberiad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stanislaw Lem: The Cyberiad! Absolutely wonderful on all levels -- playful and full of ideas.

  258. Isaac Asimov (writing as Paul French) by Unconventional · · Score: 1

    There is a series of classic (and somewhat corny) books by Isaac Asimov writing under the pseudonym of Paul French; the books are in the "Lucky Starr" series. They take place in the 25th or 26th Century, and sort of are a prelude to the more mature writings of the "Foundation" series, or of the world depicted in "Caves of Steel." I read these when I was in the seventh grade, and remember them still. May not be easy to find, but definitely worth it.

  259. My teen-era favorites... by haemish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any of the "Tales of Known Space" series by Larry Niven; "Tar Aym Krang" by Alan Dean Foster.

  260. How about by Narpak · · Score: 1

    Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar
    http://www.amazon.com/Stalin-Court-Simon-Sebag-Montefiore/dp/1400042305
    It might not be scifi, but after reading that however "dark" a scifi (or any other genre) is trying to be it don't compare. And there is no bad guy in fiction that quite comes close. Also it should remove any nightmares they watched the new alien movie at a friends house (now they have new nightmares about camps and purges instead).

    Seriously though. I think it is good to read some dark, cynical and edge stories when you are young; it is afterall the periode of your life when you are supposed to learn. And learning that the world is a cruel place that causes the majority of the populace to suffer is something that should be faced at an early age. If not, there is no-one to blame, but ourselves, when our children stick their heads in the sand and pretend all the bad things happening in the world is something they just have to close their senses to. Sheltering the young from pain is instinctual and a part of being a parent, but overprotecting can do more harm than good.

    Then again they are pre-teens, so letting them read The Gap Series might not be the best first step in getting them into Scifi.

    Personally I started with people like John Bing (norwegian author) who has written a ton of decent scifi books; than I enjoyed a lot when I was in my early teens (and before I seem to vaguely recall). However I can't seem to find any translated into English.

  261. The Sirens of Titan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

    Or H.G. Wells and Jules Verne (just because they're classics and everyone should know them).

    Most sci-fi is meaningless crap though. The first Dune book was pretty good and Heinlein did some good stuff. Brave New World was decent, except for the fact that the author's last novel was a non-sci-fi retort to it. Most sci-fi is no different than romance or western or horror or fantasy. The best sci-fi is on film anyway - Star Wars and Star Trek (original movies and Next Generation).

    The only other sci-fi I'd really recommend, but not to kids, would be William Gibson. Staying within a genre is very limiting and because readers tend to do this a lot of crap gets published - especially in the case of sci-fi/fantasy.

    Oh - I almost forgot - for pre-teens the Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle or anything by Ray Bradbury. Sci-fi does have its triumphs here and there.

  262. Arther C. Clarke and Victor Appleton II by right+wing+geek · · Score: 1

    As a young guy, I loved the Tom Swift Junior books by Victor Appleton II.
    Tom was a young inventor that managed to get into very cool adventures. My
    first real hard Sci Fi book was Against the Fall of Night by Arther C. Clarke.
    He is still one of my fovorite authors.

    Of course, Heinlein, Stanislaw Lem, Herbert, and Zelazny have to be mentioned.
    These are a bit dark for young teens . . . except for Lem who is hilarious.

  263. anonymouus coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Andre Norton had me hooked when I was about 10,11,12. Lord of the rings is heavy going at that age, but what about the Hobbit? The Lensmen series by EE 'Doc' Smith?

  264. My first encounter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with sci-fi was "The Stars My Destination" by Alfred Bester. I can't say it was the best sci-fi I've read, but it is one of my favorites. I was maybe 11 or 12 and had read a lot of other things, but not anything I would've considered science fiction. That book (and Alfred Bester's style of writing) had me hooked.

    From there I turned to the usual suspects; Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Dick, Niven, Gibson, Pournelle, Wells, etc... Which turned me onto other genres such as fantasy and horror and other categories too numerous to mention. That one book provided me the opportunity to become the geek I am today.

    Just give them a couple books by the aforementioned authors, they'll do the rest.

  265. A Wrinkle in time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all the madeline l'engle books.

  266. There are some older ones that are still great rea by Magneon · · Score: 1

    The Lensman Series (one of the first Sci-fi series ever)
    The Space Eagle (I enjoyed this one at age 10-12)
    the old Tom Swift series

  267. Hal Clement, James P. Hogan, John W. Campbell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hal Clement - Mission of Gravity & Star Light
    James P. Hogan - Inherit The Stars, The Gentle Giants of Ganymede, Giants' Star
    John W. Campbell - The Black Star Passes, Islands of Space - the Best of John W. Campbell
    Jack L. Chalker - Midnight at the Well of Souls - The Well World series
    Lester Del Rey - The Best of Lester Del Rey
    Eric Frank Russell - The Best of Eric Frank Russell

    1. Re:Hal Clement, James P. Hogan, John W. Campbell by jthill · · Score: 1

      Hal Clement - Mission of Gravity

      Yes. If the notion of life on a neutron star would excite your kid's imagination, or you can work him or her around to that state, then do it. I'm not sure there is any finer demonstration of the value of respect, anywhere. The title is one awesome pun.

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  268. Re:Dark and Cynical? by nhaines · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, Tolkien grew up a devout Catholic. So that's definitely not it. :)

    I hate to appeal to Wikipedia, but the article there does mention Lewis's falling away from Christianity as a teenager and then returning to theism and then Christianity when he in his early 30's.

    C.S. Lewis was definitely one of the great Christian apologists of the 20th century, and it's no wonder that you remember him as such.

  269. Arthur C Clarke by westlake · · Score: 1
    Ringworld, Snowcrash, Cryptonomicon, The Hobbit, LOTR, Harry Potter, Odd Thomas, Dragonlance

    It surprises me that there has no mention of Arthur C. Clarke.

    The early short stories are accessible and satisfying.

    "Rendezvous with Rama."

    I'll not complain if you take a pass on the sequels.

    You also can't go wrong with comics.

    This summer seems a particularly good opportunity to introduce new readers to Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight" and "The Dark Knight Strikes Again."

  270. another author: Tamora Pierce by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    Pierce's fantasy books are great reads, and not just for girls (or children). Probably a really good idea for boys to read to get the girl's perspective. Hopefully they won't be TOO much of a pain in the ass afterwards. Her 'The Cirle Opens' and 'The Circle of Magic' books, her Alanna books, her 'Immortals' books, 'Protector of the Small' books, are all great reads.

  271. A Somewhat Different Approach by Dr.+Faustroll · · Score: 1

    Like many of the other people who have already commented on your request, I would encourage you not to delete books from your list because they might be somewhat dark or complex. I remember reading Bradbury, Cordwainer Smith, Asimov, and Clarke when I was your sons' age, and appreciating the fact that the worlds and scenarios they created had ambiguities and shades of gray.

    That said, I would recommend taking a look at a history of science fiction for suggestions. My own personal favorite is Brian Aldiss and David Wingrove's Trillion Year Spree: The History of Science Fiction - it does a great job of covering the classics of science fiction, while pointing out lesser-known authors. The book summaries and analyses should give you a good feel for whether a particular author would be of interest to your sons.

  272. Not being too far from that age... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I'd agree with "don't hold back". Most of those classics and classic authors mentioned above in the comments? I read by age 13, including Orson Scott Card, Tolkein, Pratchett, Piers Anthony, Heinlein, L'Engle, Hitchhiker's Guide, Dune, and a whole bunch of edgier, darker and racier stuff I found in the very dusty sci-fi section of my library. Don't hold back, let them pick what they like or think they'll like, and, to be blunt, don't worry about the sex and violence, unless your children are wont to believe everything they read.

  273. Asimov had a great sci-fi series for younger ages by Michael+the+Great · · Score: 1

    Asimov and his wife wrote a series about a robot called Norby that I loved (there are about 10 of em--all with Norby in the title). Those are what got me hooked on Sci-fi. Then I also enjoyed CS Lewis's Sci-Fi trilogy called the Space Trilogy (Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous Strength). The two City of Ember books are fun and the first one is coming out as a movie this fall.

  274. Zelanzy, Gibson and Stephenson by atari26k · · Score: 1

    Roger Zelanzy's Amber series (Nine Princes in Amber is the first) isn't sci-fi, but is a great starter series. Gibson is just a great, well-known writer. Stephenson's latest stuff comes across dry, might be boring for kids, but Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon are good choices. And if everyone hasn't had enough of the fantasy sci-fi, Piers Anthony and his Incarnations of Immortality series is both... I recall this as being my first collection of stories that I really got into.

  275. Some old and new suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I quite liked E.E. Doc Smith's stuff (Lensman series, Subspace Explorers/Encounters, Skylark series).

    Timothy Zahn's Dragonback series is also an excellent current series specifically intended for younger readers. Zahn's other books are also very good.

    I'd also suggest exploring the Star Wars extended universe stuff, as well as the Battletech novels. Some of it is fairly poor (e.g. anything with the name Kevin J Anderson attached to it), but you will find some good reads in both (Zahn, Stackpole, Allston, Denning, etc)

  276. Tom Swift and Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    enjoyed them as a kid

  277. Anything - Tad Williams by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

    I have recently started reading just about anything Tad Williams which is utterly sensational. Otherland is a bit on the long side (four books, about 4-5000 pages all up) but is a wonderful blend of both sci-fci (short term future, earth based) and many other worlds (visited through a VR system) where the majority of the books unfold.

    Really worth the read. It pulled my back into reading after years of not reading.

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    1. Re:Anything - Tad Williams by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Agreed. War of the Flowers was a one-off, "Normal Human in Faerie world"[0] type that was just fun to read (the foul-mouthed faerie was great).

      The "Memory, Sorrow, And Thorn" series was maybe a bit derivative, but very deep and enjoyable as well.

      Working on Otherland now.

      [0]I think these are often called "Stranger in a strange land" themes, but given the context of the discussion, I thought using the term would confuse things. :)

  278. Daniel Pinkwater by bosef1 · · Score: 1

    I don't know if anyone has mentioned Daniel Pinkwater yet. Some of his books have a good sci-fi flavor (though they tend to straddle that line between science fiction and fantasy). In particular I enjoyed Fat Men from Space, The Magic Moscow, and Alan Mendelsohn, the Boy from Mars. See here for more information.

  279. something that you've read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't worry too much about the sex/violence/darkness part; you should read the book, too, or have read it. The best part of having your kids read scifi is talking to them about it.

    I think scifi is a genre where short stories are as important as novels, Pick a big anthology published in the 60s, and you can't really go wrong. I would certainly pick that over something like Tolkien, where you really have no choice but to plough through hundreds of pages to say you've done it. I am pretty sure Tolkien was more than a little bored with it himself by the end.

    Having said all that, I loved Philip K Dick as a kid. He is famous for his drug use nowadays, but other than Scanner Darkly and Valis that's not realy what his books were about. His preoccupation with reality vs. illusion the stuff I was worried about as a teenager...but maybe that was just me, or just the 1970s.

  280. Heinlein juveniles by corbettw · · Score: 1

    RAH wrote several books specifically tailored to pre-teen and teen readers. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinlein_juveniles for a list. Another good Heinlein book might be Glory Road; it could be a little too sexual for them (your call, you're the parent), but I thought it was a fun read when I was 13.

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  281. Another fan's list by Sierran · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'll try to stick to ones I didn't see on a fast pass through the topic...

    • George R.R. Martin's Tuf Voyaging
    • Lester Del Rey's Runaway Robot is one for late pre-teens I fondly remember
    • C.J. Cherryh's Chanur books
    • Scott Westerfeld's The Midnighters series (more urban fantasy, I guess)
    • Christopher Anvil's Interstellar Patrol stories
    • It's really hard to find, but This Time of Darkness by H.M. Hoover
    • Roger Zelazny's The Last Defender of Camelot story collection, which includes both the more adult Damnation Alley but my favorite short novel ever, For A Breath I Tarry.
    • John Varley's Red Thunder is a Heinlein juvenile homage
    • Alexander Key's Rivets and Sprockets (also hard to find but wonderful)
    • Eleanor Cameron's The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet
    • Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451
    • Madeleine L'Engle's The Young Unicorns
    • Steven C. Gould's Jumper and Wildside
    • Andre Norton's Star Guard
    • L. Frank Baum's The Wizard of Oz (dammit! :-))
    • Brian Daley's Han Solo books (the older ones, pre-Star Wars licensing craze - Han Solo at Star's End, Han Solo's Revenge, Han Solo and the Lost Legacy).
    • John M. (Mike) Ford's excellent Star Trek novel The Final Reflection and his excellent Princes of the Air

    As always, vet for yourself! Good luck! I envy your kids, just starting out with all the wonder out there.

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    1. Re:Another fan's list by cschep · · Score: 0

      Jumper and Wildside, and even Reflex are EXCELENT! Also check out the Kidd and LuEllen books by John Camp/Sandford. They are so good for any teens/adults with an affinity for tech. Enjoy!

    2. Re:Another fan's list by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      I'd have considered Jumper a little old for a pre-teen, but maybe not. I was 17 or so by the time I read it, though, and it is good (and not much like the movie).

      I read a copious number of Star Wars and Star Trek novels around this age. The only ones I really remember are the Corellian trilogy and Generations (I actually read the book long before the seeing movie, since I picked it up at a library along with a large amount of read-enjoy-forget material).

      Zelazny's Amber series is probably OK for pre-teens.

      The Ear, the Eye, and the Arm was one of my FAVORITE books at this age.

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    3. Re:Another fan's list by meesto · · Score: 1

      Yes - go read Wildside.

  282. Golden Age is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll second the Earthsea series by LeGuin. The Amber series by Zelazny was a favorite of mine at that age as well.

    Asimov and many Golden Age authors are a good place to go. I loved the Foundation series when I was a tween, but I didn't really "get it" until I read it in my twenties. The Robots novels were much better in this regard, and I can't imagine a better series of road trip books.

  283. Re:Dark and Cynical? by fumblebruschi · · Score: 4, Funny

    From McSweeneys:

    3-Line Narnia

    C.S. LEWIS: Hey, a Utopia ruled by children and populated by talking animals!

    THE WITCH: Hello, I'm a sexually mature woman of power and confidence.

    C.S. LEWIS: Aaaahhh! Kill it, lion Jesus!

  284. Georgeâ(TM)s Secret Key to the Universe by wkitchen · · Score: 1

    Hawking may not be the first author that comes to mind when looking for a children's book, but my 10 year old daughter really enjoyed Lucy and Stephen Hawking's book Georgeâ(TM)s Secret Key to the Universe.

    See http://nymag.com/family/kids/39565/

  285. Accelerando by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By Charles Stross... His other books are awesome too.

  286. Tripod Series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Christopher's, "Tripods" series (The White Mountains, The City of Gold & Lead, The Pool of Fire)

    Also, anything by Asimov; the Robot, or 'Lije Baley' novels (The Caves of Steel, The Naked Sun, The Robots of Dawn, Robots and Empire)

  287. Re:Dark and Cynical? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

    "Son of Man, Daughter of Eve."
    Yeah no biblical overtones there.

    Royal King with mystical powers who dies in place of a 'sinner' and is resurrected defeating the witch.

    No undercurrents of Christianity there.

    If Aslan isn't Jesus I don't know who is. Perhaps YOU aren't very well versed in biblical studies and as such aren't seeing the parallels because I can say for sure that I could read an allegory of the Koran and not notice a single similarity.

  288. Feed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feed by M T Anderson.

  289. The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander was a series of books that I found very enjoyable (and I'm surprised no-one else has mentioned them yet).

  290. Jean E. Karl by BoydWaters · · Score: 1

    The Turning Place
    But We Are Not of Earth

    http://www.childrensliteraturenetwork.org/birthbios/brthpage/07jul/7-29karl.html

    She was a brilliant author and editor. Under-appreciated.

    Also:
    Runaway Robot by Lester Del Ray

  291. All the books you'll need by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a list of books suitable for children from six to sixteen at The LASFS website. It's one of the many projects of This World's Oldest Science Fiction Club.

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  292. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Narpak · · Score: 1

    I enjoyed both Lord of the Rings and Narnia as a child, though LOTR is the only series that stuck with me.

    It is a digression I know, but I just felt like pointing out that one of my biggest grips with the Fantasy inspired by Lord of the Rings (and in part Narnia) is always so focused on the battle between good and evil; which is fine. But why does just about every fantasy series revolve around children, especially boys, who is more often than not "the true heir to the throne". Why is it that fantasy authors for some reason glorify monarchical dynasty and the idea of "the good King".

    If anyone can name good mature fantasy (and mature in this context dosnt mean sex; which it seems to indicate more often than not) that doesnt revolve around the end of the world, the fight against the "dark one" and the "chosen one" I would be very interested. Already I have found several authors, more and more these days it seems, but I am always looking for more. Scifi and fantasy are still some of the "settings" that interest me the most. But it just seems to be so much crap dominating those genres (fantasy in particualar).

  293. favorites by TwoWheelTomy · · Score: 1

    Ender's Game, Red Wall, HG Wells War of the Worlds, Ringworld

  294. It's hardly deep, but... by Yooden_Vranx · · Score: 1

    for a roadtrip, try The Rolling Stones. For one, it's a traveling tale. It'll introduce them to Heinlein, and it'll get them started with something that doesn't seem daunting at first. While some pre-teens can doubtless handle the Foundation Trilogy, or enjoy LOTR, they may feel like too much work/too much like school at first.

  295. Perspective Changes by Lomky · · Score: 1

    Don't be quite so quick to rule out books that you now see as dark or political. One of my greatest joys now is going back and reading books like Ender's Game, Fahrenheit 451, or Starship Troopers and seeing how much my perception of them is changed. It's a great measure of your own maturation, and makes you realize that your opinions can and do change. Just as you said, you don't remember them being that dark because you didn't interpret them that way when you were younger.

  296. William Sleater: The Green Futures of Tycho by astro · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Futures_of_Tycho

    This book had a huge impact on me some 25-odd years ago, and is likely what got me very interested in not only Sci-Fi, but also some aspects of philosophy. I recently passed it on to my now-12-year-old, and despite not being much of a bookworm (too busy with that newfangled intarweb), he was also enraptured by it.

    I can't recommend it highly enough.

  297. Dune by Knightbane · · Score: 1

    Dune by Frank Herbert

    Did a book report on it in 4th grade. Enjoyed it.

    Also, anything by Asimov. Couldn't get enough.

  298. Fahrenheit 451, definitely. by Rachel+Lucid · · Score: 1

    I loved that thing circa 8th grade. Read it after I got curious from seeing a question/excerpt about it on our standardized testing for that year.

    Good stuff.

    (Yes, I was a nerd, but aren't we all?)

  299. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The "sinner" is replaced by the blameless sacrifice, who is shamed, mocked then killed, the women weep over the body which disappears, then the blameless sacrifice is resurrected.

    Lion the witch and the wardrobe.

    Precisely. I like the stories from an agnostic's perspective -- after all, would you rather your kids learn about Jesus as "Oh, the guy in the ancient myth who was the inspiration for Aslan in that cool fantasy novel", or about Jesus from your local fundamentalist outfit?

    I wouldn't care whether any of my offspring grew up to be believers or not -- but I would want them to know that the historical/literary Jesus bore very little relation to the version of Jesus that the anti-sex anti-science fundie whackjobs seem to believe in. The literary genius of the Narnia tales is that they illustrate the myth without preaching belief one way or the other. The theological genius of the Narnia tales is they illustrate the teachings and let the reader come to his or her own conclusion as to whether Aslan was worth following.

    To use a modern analogy, one doesn't have to believe in Yoda or Anakin/Vader to realize that Yoda's teachings are more worthy of being followed than Darth Vader's.

    To go back to a Narnia analogy -- if I brought my kids up on a diet of Aslan vs. the Witch, I think they'd quite accurately discern that the fictional character for whom the fundie nuts are working... sure as hell ain't Aslan.

  300. Bloodhag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure if this would encourage your kids but: check the bibliography of Seattle's heavy-metal band Bloodhag. Their songs are really really short, really really loud, and all relate the autobiographies of famous sci-fi writers.

    Some rock bands have a satan schtick, some push christianity or drugs. Bloodhag have a silly name and preach early childhood literacy through science-fiction. They throw books at their audience, screaming, "Read!" Could work, and they might play your public library on one of their tours.

    Their bibliography really is quite good. "Andre Norton has a posse."

    http://www.bloodhag.com/

  301. Re:Bradbury -- yes. Heinlein -- yes. by CrypticKev · · Score: 1

    Bradbury wrote some wonderful short stories, many of which should be freely available from the local library. Short stories can make a great introduction to different authors, and many of those mentioned in other responses have short stories - either a few (usually found in collections with other authors), or a lot (e.g. Asimov's 'Robot' stories, Bradbury, etc).

  302. Suggestions from my wife by Andyvan · · Score: 1
    Off the top of my head, Christopher was into the Animorph series, and the Red Wall Series when younger.

    As he got a bit older, Everworld series, The Wrinkle in Time Series and the Xanth Books.

    Oh, he also really liked Dragonriders of Pern (McCaffery)- there are a LOT in the series - some are small paperbacks - mostly about the smaller dragons, those are an easier read and would be better for a younger crowd.

    It would be silly to suggest Harry Potter I assume - most kids have already read them...or maybe not :-)

  303. Lloyd Alexander by wadjet · · Score: 1

    When I was in 5th grade I read Wrinkle in Time and I also enjoyed the Prydain series by Llyod Alexander, which is on about the same level.

  304. Mercedes Lackey by NerdyLove · · Score: 1

    I found myself sucked into the Heralds of Valdemar series when I was younger. The concepts aren't complicated at all, and the message was always good. Should be perfect at their age.

  305. Prof Branestawm (Hunter), The Cyberiad (Lem), by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Larry Niven
    Arthur C Clarke
    James Blish
    Michael Crighton
    Edgar Rice Burroughs?
    Short stories!

  306. I started very young ... by pvera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and I really enjoyed Jules Verne. The Asimov short stories are really good and not as convoluted as Foundation.

    Asimov's robot series are also pretty simple unless you try to make them fit into the big picture, then it turns into a huge headache. I still remember throwing Prelude to Foundation across the room when I realized that it connected to some other Asimov books I always assumed to be isolated.

    The litmus test for when a kid is ready for Asimov is to let him read "The Last Question" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Question).

    If the kid goes "uh, whoa" at the end of the story, then he is ready for Asimov.

    If he can't figure it out, then he isn't ready.

    If he goes "this is bullshit, what a bullshit ending!" then there's nothing for you to worry about, hand him some Philip K. Dick and see what happens.

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  307. *not* Niven's Ringworld by frooddude · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't exactly want my kids reading about rishathra and it's many uses political/social/entertainment as pre-teens.

    Great books, but with vampires/ghouls/sex I don't think pre-teen is quite the right time.

    1. Re:*not* Niven's Ringworld by TheLink · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should brainwash your kids the way you want (about sex and other stuff) before they become teens. MTV and friends already target preteens.

      I learnt about sex when I was 8 or so from science books my parents let me read (and also a few of those sci fi books).

      But wait... I'm one of those virgin slashdotters, erm nevermind then :).

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  308. Go short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're worried about holding their attention, then go with any short story anthology.

    Niven's short stories was what got me hooked.

    Asimov's Foundation series might be suitable in this respect since it started out as a series of short stories.

  309. The collected stories of Arthur C. Clarke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm reading this book right now. It's a collection of short stories. Probably exactly what you are looking for. The stories are fun and philosophical. For instance, there is a story (can't remember the name) about a guy running around a meteor while a space ship is trying to capture him. Story is compared to hunting a squirrel, which is always just out of reach on the other side of a tree. The "White Heart" stories are almost always a class.

  310. Zanth by spikedvodka · · Score: 0

    Any of Piers Anthony's works... Zanth especially, his "incarnations of Immortality" may be a bit much, but I enjoyed them back in the day

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  311. Goodness.. where to start... by mengel · · Score: 1
    If they haven't read them, then definitely any Anne McCaffery, Ray Bradbury, Madeline L'Engle, any Asimov you might have, Connie Willis, The Stainless Steel Rat series by Harrison, Laumer's Retief books, Clifford Simak's books, Zelazny's younger stuff (Madwand, etc.) , Barba Hambly's assorted series, the Roswell High books, Andre Norton's stuff, L.E. Modessitt Jr.'s assorted series...

    If they're a little older... -- Ursula LeGuin, Octavia Butler, Philip K. Dick, Zelazny's later stuff, Vonnegut, Niven, Frank Herbert, Definitely Neal Stephenson...

    And the computer related classics -- The Adolescence of P1 by Ryan, The Shockwave Rider by Brunner, Neuromancer by Gibson...

    And of course fantasy, Tolkein, the Shanarra books, etc. And then, only after they've read all of the usual fantasy stuff, then they can truly appreciate Pratchett...

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  312. The colonization trilogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get them to read Red, Green and Blue Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson. I meet numerous friends and immediately connected with them because of these books and the ideology they produce in space travel, colonization and even intergalactic conflict. They also throw in some side topics like terraforming, psychology and just general adventuring.

  313. Dune!! by klrwombat · · Score: 1

    I started with Dune in the middle of 5th grade. It got me hooked. Ender's Game Winkle in time Heinlein's: **Tunnel in the Sky, **Have Space Suit will Travel, Starman Jones Earth Sea books. The Forever Man by Gordon R. Dickson Decision at Doona by Anne McCaffrey

  314. Fun Reading by dcheng.reg · · Score: 1

    I enjoyed the Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison. Light reading, but fun to read.

    Not sci-fi, but Stephen R. Donaldson was fun to read when I was in sixth grade. Might be too deep, but it was something new to me.

    Dune, except for the fact that Frank Herbert died before finishing the series, and the follow-on books by his son definitely don't have the same flair.

  315. Stainless Steel Rat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Books by Harry Harrison: The Stainless Steel Rat series (although the last couple aren't that great), also his Bill the Galactic Hero series.

  316. Oh, hell no! by vonhammer · · Score: 1

    Now that I have your attention: I highly recommend the original 3 foundation novels, but under no circumstances should you flog your child (or anyone else's) with the tripe that followed.
    So sayeth I/he/she/it/we/Gaia...

    For fantasy, you would be hard-pressed to do any better than Raymond Feist's Magician series.

  317. The Witches of Karres by kshkval · · Score: 1

    A very good but mostly unknown pre-teen sci-fi classic is "The Witches of Karres" by James H. Shmitz. Pick up an early edition of the story... a later, edited version lacked some of the charming language "flaws." Altogether, one of the best written, original and fun books I've read.

  318. Sword of Truth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ringworld, Snowcrash, Cryptonomicon, The Hobbit, LOTR, Harry Potter, Odd Thomas, Dragonlance (the stuff written by Weiss and Hickman, not the 3rd party crap), Star Trek novels, Sword of Truth, A Game of Thrones, Neuromancer is pretty edgy, but a great read. My younger brothers absolutely loved a series called Animorphs. When I was about 12 I really enjoyed Swiss Family Robinson. Maybe throw in some classics like Frankenstein and Dracula. H.G. Wells Time Machine, Gulliver's Travels, Around the World in 80 days, Dune

    I would also second the suggestions of Card's early work. Ender's Game, Songmaster, The Shadow Series, The first few Alvin Maker books are good.
    I would definitely get them to read Pastwatch: the Redemption of Christopher Columbus.

    You also can't go wrong with comics. There's a lot of really good stuff in trade paperback these days. You can introduce them to Marvel's Ultimate lines; Ultimate Spiderman, Ultimate Fantastic Four, etc. These series start over and reboot the universe. They will be more compelling for young readers because there isn't 40 years of continuity to sift through.

    I would also suggest giving them books that you enjoyed as a child, or even an adult. Just because something is edgy or political doesn't make it automagically inappropriate for a child. You can tell them to come to you with any questions, and you will end up raising a kid who's wise beyond his years, and that will serve the kid well as he gets older.

    Ringworld, Snowcrash, Cryptonomicon, The Hobbit, LOTR, Harry Potter, Odd Thomas, Dragonlance (the stuff written by Weiss and Hickman, not the 3rd party crap), Star Trek novels, Sword of Truth, A Game of Thrones, Neuromancer is pretty edgy, but a great read. My younger brothers absolutely loved a series called Animorphs. When I was about 12 I really enjoyed Swiss Family Robinson. Maybe throw in some classics like Frankenstein and Dracula. H.G. Wells Time Machine, Gulliver's Travels, Around the World in 80 days, Dune

    I would also second the suggestions of Card's early work. Ender's Game, Songmaster, The Shadow Series, The first few Alvin Maker books are good.
    I would definitely get them to read Pastwatch: the Redemption of Christopher Columbus.

    You also can't go wrong with comics. There's a lot of really good stuff in trade paperback these days. You can introduce them to Marvel's Ultimate lines; Ultimate Spiderman, Ultimate Fantastic Four, etc. These series start over and reboot the universe. They will be more compelling for young readers because there isn't 40 years of continuity to sift through.

    I would also suggest giving them books that you enjoyed as a child, or even an adult. Just because something is edgy or political doesn't make it automagically inappropriate for a child. You can tell them to come to you with any questions, and you will end up raising a kid who's wise beyond his years, and that will serve the kid well as he gets older.

    I'm afraid I have to disagree with your choice of Terry Goodkind's "Sword of Truth" series. Of all the books I've ever read, that is perhaps the one series I've knowingly despised. The series is nothing more than a slow spiral into depraved idiocy with horrible characterizations, plots likely mapped out by a kindergartner, and a disturbing focus on sex (especially in books four and five, where I finally couldn't tolerate Goodkind's horribly written drudgery anymore and dropped the series).

    "Ender's Game" is certainly a huge recommendation, and (somewhat) its "companion" book "Ender's Shadow".

  319. A few of my favs by Stuckinrealtime · · Score: 1

    As a preteen I really enjoyed these books: StarMan's Quest by Robert Silverberg The Zero Stone by Andre Norton Galactic Empires Vol I & II (Can't remember the editor it's a collection of short stores) Red Planet by Heinlein The Secret Of Star Deep (Don't remember who wrote it, old sci-fi probably 50's) The following I read to my kids when they were 8 or 9 (they could read, I just wanted something good to read to them) Saturnalia by Grant Callin The Puppet Masters by Heinlien (had to edit a few parts in this one, lol)

  320. Interstellar Pig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    William Sleator does a good job of writing books that target the pre-teen to early teen audience. He's got quite a few sci-fi out and they are quick reads and entertaining for most adults too.

  321. que? by zazelite · · Score: 1

    'Sci-Fi Books For Pre-Teens?' Really? How about 'Science Books for Pre-Teens?'

    A pre-teen hooked on sci-fi books may not have the iron will needed to put down a good book to make time for, say, homework. Or friends. Or you. God knows I don't, and I haven't been a pre-teen in decades.

    1. Re:que? by IdeaMan · · Score: 1

      Hear hear!
      My mom taught us (home school) and she had this wonderful stash of old science books. Inside them was a treasure trove of experiments and neat stuff to try. How many kids do you know that built their own flamethrower, electric motor, light bulb, throwing knives, cannon, hydrogen cracker, hang glider by the time they were 14?

      Now that I'm an uncle I'm gonna be buying my nephews Real chemistry sets, erector sets and electronics kits. I've been saving links to stuff like that for a while: Thank-you slashdot.

      BTW, I'm having a hard time settling on which is the best erector set to get. Meccano seems to be the best but can't get new ones now. Erector has this funky new automated way of attaching stuff.
      Any suggestions?

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  322. old-school stories by karres · · Score: 1

    This is old-school but in my pre-teen years i was reading EE "Doc" Smith's "Lensman" series. It is sugary pulp to me now now but back then it was magic. "Space Cadet", "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", "Starship Troopers". These days letting them start wading through the "Honor Harrington" books would prolly be good. Most of these are coming-of-age stories and that is often good for pre-teens.

  323. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neil Gaiman's Stardust is a fantastic novel that's easy to read. There's a one scene that tactfully reveals where babies come from, but overall it's probably second only to The Hobbit in my list of favorites for teens.

  324. Andre Norton by Count_Froggy · · Score: 1

    I just took a quick read through the previous responses and there are many good suggestions. But there is one additional author who wrote many books, both SF and Fantasy for pre-teens not mentioned; Andre Norton wrote great books about young people placed in difficult situations. One of my absolute favorites is Star Man's Son. You can check out her (yes her - Norton was a pseudonym) work at http://www.andre-norton.org/

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  325. Some suggestions by Coldeagle · · Score: 1

    If your kids are into Star Wars, then I would highly recommend Young Jedi Knights, these are excellent books and when I was younger I loved reading the series. It's written by Kevin J. Anderson and his wife Rebecca Moesta. They're great books and easy reads.

    I would also suggest Citizen of the Galaxy and Have Space Suit Will Travel, both by Heinlein. They're classics and just right for preteens. If they haven't already read "Where the Red Fern Grows" for school, then I would recommend that one too. Unfortunately those are my best recommendations, I usually ended up reading whatever my Dad had laying around the house, so I never got into the younger stuff.

  326. Second that.. by mengel · · Score: 1

    Yes! I had almost forgotten...

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  327. try diane duane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Diane Duane has a good series called support your local wizard that combines sci-fi and fantasy.

    1. Re:try diane duane by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      I definitely recommend Diane Duane's Young Wizards series. Its magic system doesn't ride roughshod over physics like most--in fact, complex spells pretty much require the caster understand the physics of the situation and describe what he/she wants to change. Major themes of the series are responsibility, choice, and working to make the world (universe) a better place.

      And most importantly, the books are very enjoyable reads.

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  328. Librivox.org by lazerbeat · · Score: 1

    I don't know if this is exactly what you are looking for but I am enjoying listening to a lot of audio books from Librivox. This is the direct link to their page on HG Wells http://librivox.org/newcatalog/search.php?title=&author=H.+G.+Wells&action=Search and here is Jules Verne http://librivox.org/newcatalog/search.php?title=&author=Jules+Verne&action=Search Perhaps a little more speculative the pure science fiction?

  329. I'd recommend ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Pretty much anything by Andre (Alice Mary) Norton.

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  330. Allen Steele by m0ng0l · · Score: 1

    After thinking on this, I figured I'd suggest an author I've enjoyed. Relatively new, but well worth the read. Start them with Orbital Decay, and work through to Labyrinth of Night.

    Another good choice would be Headcrash, by Bruce Bethke, very amusing (ProctoProd! TM) in it's own way, although not "hard" scifi, more cyberpunk (without being dark)

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  331. Asimov and Silverberg's Nightfall by Rufosx · · Score: 1

    Slightly dark, but a great story. Really gets the imagination going. I've read it many times and always love it.

  332. Tom Swift by sconeu · · Score: 1

    If you can find them, the Tom Swift Jr. series was great for me at ages 8-11.

    Is there a new Victor Appleton III (yeah, I know it was a pen name)?

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    1. Re:Tom Swift by Polo · · Score: 1

      I loved those as a kid and read any I could get my hands on.

      And many of them are available online for free:

      http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/a#a267

  333. Lay off the Big Brother approach. by karmaflux · · Score: 1

    Seriously, you remember those classics because they were good. Science fiction is about pushing boundaries to begin with, so their interest in the genre shouldn't be rewarded with mindless McCafferyesque drivel. Take them to the sort of public library that sells old books for a dime, or the sort of bookstore that has shelves piled high with beat-up paperbacks. Give them each a maximum budget ($10.00 goes a long way at $0.75 per book) and let them browse around and pick the books they want. Give them a solid hour or two to wander the stacks. If they want crap like Piers Anthony, they'll pick it out themselves. If they feel like they're ready for Thomas Pynchon*, you should be proud, not worried. Nothing in a book is going to ruin your kids unless you're unwilling to talk about it with them. Make sure they let you scan the pile before they hit the checkout register, so you can weed out The Joy of Sex and other stuff that worries you.

    Kids won't read books they're not ready for. When I was little I tried to read Bonfire of the Vanities and so much of the book was going over my head I threw it in a closet and forgot about it. Regardless, the whole point of science fiction is expanding your horizons, so I don't see the point in limiting them. You should be reading the books they're reading too, so that if they come to you with questions you'll have the context, and you'll have the opportunity to give them guidance should you see something in the book that concerns you.

    I'm a parent too, and I think we should be acting as guides, not censors.

    * - on second thought, maybe not so much with the Gravity's Rainbow. They won't appreciate that book until their middle teens.

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  334. Have your kids ask a librarian by dogbertsd · · Score: 1

    Everyone has favorites, and books that kids "must" read, but your children have their own tastes, and finding books that match those is the most important thing when reading for pleasure (as all fiction reading should be).

    Enter the librarian. Librarians don't check out your books (that's staff unless the librarian is helping out) and librarians don't just show you how to use the online catalog--librarians do so much more. A good librarian will subtly interview each of your children and perform what is known as "readers advisory." After talking to your children about books they liked and what they liked about these books, your local librarian should be able to give your children several suggestions that make them want to read more.

    Take advantage of your local library and the librarians that work there!

  335. Sci-Fi is Monument-al by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I notice that a lot of the suggestions that people have posted tend to be more fantasy than Sci-Fi.

    But one rather useful title that I haven't seen anyone post about is Monument by Lloyd Biggle Jnr.

    This blew me away when I was younger.

  336. Heinlein or Outland? Sheesh by rah1420 · · Score: 1

    Come on. The OP wants to introduce his kids to sci-fi and you want to push Calvin and Hobbes? or DOONESBURY?

    Not that there's anything intrinsically wrong with reading any of the comix you mention, but seriously. None of them even fit the genre (unless you count the Bloom County voyages of the "Enterpoop", that is.)

    I would also make sure my kids took the philosophy of *some* of these particular comic strips with a large pinch of salt.

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  337. Re:Barsoom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I second the Barsoom series, starting with "A Princess of Mars". When I was 13 or so, I found "The Gods of Mars" in the attic (belonged to my great-uncle Art) and was instantly entranced. I think I stayed up all night reading that first book which is the second in the series.

  338. John Christopher? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loved the Tripods trilogy when I was a kid.

    But honestly, just about anything should be okay. If you're uncertain about a book, suggest that they give it a try - maybe they'll like it, maybe they won't. Some things I wouldn't give my nieces until they get a bit older, but there's plenty that I reckon they'd handle very well indeed that many people would think would be too "adult".

  339. Star Wars, LOTR by icthus13 · · Score: 1

    I read the whole Lord of the Rings trilogy when I was in the 7th grade, and I loved every minute of it. What really got me into sci fi (and reading in general), however, was the Thrawn trilogy of Star Wars books by Timothy Zahn. I loved the Star Wars movies, and the realization that there was *more* to the story got me hooked on books for good.

  340. Riverworld by retzkek · · Score: 1

    The Riverworld series by Philip Jose Farmer are great reads, and mix in a little bit of history (historical figures, anyways).

    1. Re:Riverworld by Hegh · · Score: 1

      I definitely agree. I read these when I was in my early teens, and just finished them again. I was actually searching this page to see if anyone had mentioned this series.

      Note, however, that there is some sexuality in these books.

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  341. Re:Bradbury -- yes. Heinlein -- yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I reckon Stranger in a Strange Land was my fav as a kid. Heinlen always ends in an orgy fest

  342. best book! by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

    When I was 12-ish I read the book Virtual War and loved it. It's a couple decades in the future where everyone lives in bubbles cuz there's too deadly of bacteria existing in the outside world. Instead of the traditional wars that would kinda crack everyone's bubbles and drain already stretched resources, they have a virtual war with a giant war simulation video game. And the 3 super powers raise up genetically enhanced teams of 3 kids to fight in it. The winner gets control of a newly discovered island that's deadly bacteria free. It's awesome and interesting enough for a kid and not overly geeky and just perfect for kids!

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  343. not all heinlein is dark by steevix · · Score: 1

    'have space suit, will travel' by heinlein is easy and not dark at all. actually it is my favorite book of all time-- first read it when i was around 9-10.

  344. HG Wells... by mcraghead · · Score: 1

    I just re-read a bunch of HG Wells, Edgar Rice Burroughs... Raphael Sabatini wrote some great adventure books (I got several public domain texts from archive.org, reading them using my old Palm 5!). Also, Frankenstein and Dracula, they're all public domain now! Great stuff. A few other suggestions (from my kids): Mistmantle Chronicles (about squirrels) and Warriors (about cats). Have a great trip!

  345. Johnny tremain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Johnny Tremain by Esther Forbes. About the onset of the Revolution. A great favorite of Michael Bloomberg.

  346. A Wrinkle in Time SUCKS by unjedai · · Score: 1

    I recently read "A Wrinkle in Time" and it SUCKED. How did this book get any notoriety at all? Maybe it was good in 1962 Goodness but it FAILS today. Just my opinion.

    1. Re:A Wrinkle in Time SUCKS by Roblimo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It was a fine book when I was 10. Now that I'm 55, it's not so good.

      And much though I loved Heinlein's juveniles when I was 10 - 16, today I find them... juvenile.

      The first science fiction book I read (and the first all-text "adult" book, too) was A.E. Van Vogt's "The Voyage of the Space Beagle." I was seven.

      Douglas Adams is fine for all ages.

      Piers Anthony is great when you're 10 - 16, starts to lose it after that.

      Orson Scott Card, check.

      James Patterson isn't thought of as an SF writer, but his "Maximum Ride" series is excellent juvenile SF -- and not shabby for adults, either.

      Just turn kids loose in the library, let them get what they like. It may not be what *you* like, but hey! We each have our own taste in authors and styles.

    2. Re:A Wrinkle in Time SUCKS by bob_herrick · · Score: 1

      Piers Anthony is great when you're 10 - 16, starts to lose it after that.
      Orson Scott Card, check.

      I read most of the Piers Anthony stuff, and frankly, still regret wasting the time. ("Sos the Rope", anyone? I thought not). Most of it is pretty hacky now, and was so then. I also find Orson Scott Card to be filled with trivial ideas (which, to me, is what science fiction is about) and have dropped him from my reading list.

      I personally got started on Tom Swift, Jr (I must have read 20 of the 33 published) and moved from there to everything Heinlein ever wrote ("Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" for openers, and never looked back). I can also recall having read TLotR, oh, about 25 times so far. Might have to crack it open again for old times sake.

  347. Set of Solids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked the Artemis Fowl books a great deal (mix of sci-fi and fantasy superbly). New novel to the series coming out in 8 days - Artemis Fowl - Time Paradox

    House of the Scorpion (excellent futuristic novel on cloning - crazy good).

    Shades Children (If you haven't read this you are missing out)

    Ear Eye and the Arm. (classic imo)

    Delta Force (awesome title along the lines of Ender's Game)

    Dark Lord of Derkholm (if they are leaning toward fantasy)

    Hex (series really good about outcast hackers in a futuristic world... look for it)

    And just to mix up things take a peek at Gordon Korman books (especially the McDonald Hall series). Funniest books I have read in my life (and that is saying something). Also like his "Son of the Mob" series.

     

  348. William Sleator by jmoretti · · Score: 1

    Anything by William Sleator is good for kids pre-teen into teen. Shoot, I still enjoy them as an adult.

  349. Re: E.E. Doc Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thougt E.E. (Doc) Smith's Galactic Patrol stuff might work well for that age group: no romance, lots of space action.

  350. good reads by luwain · · Score: 1

    When I was a teen (a long, long time ago) I greatly enjoyed Heinlein's "Have Spacesuit Will Travel". Asimov's Robot Anthologies: "I, Robot" and "The Rest Of The Robots" were excellent. I don't know any young fan of Sci-Fi that didn't find Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game" fantastic. I found the two next books in the series "Speaker For The Dead" and "Xenocide" to be 2 of the best books I've ever read in any genre.

    1. Re:good reads by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      While I agree with your Heinlein & Asimov reconsiderations I found "Speaker for the Dead" to be utterly boring. It's one of the few books I gave up halfway through. Enders Game was OK.

  351. Fantasy for Young Readers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did not see any mention of David Eddings' series, and I would highly recommend the Belgariad for 10+. One of the first series that I can remember reading was by Lloyd Alexander called The Chronicles of Prydain

  352. Newberry medal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll try and skip the obvious ones. I'll mention I think a lot of the recommendations are a bit much for preteens. Stranger in a Strange Land? For a preteen? Really? I suppose it depends on the parents and the kids in question, but that certainly doesn't strike me as a "preteen" book. (By the way, it's one of my favorites, along with "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress")

    It has always bugged me that sci-fi is considered a genre, because it's really more of a setting. There are plenty of sci-fi books that are simply adventure stories that happen to take place in the future. And there are socio-political commentaries that happen to be in a sci-fi setting ("The Fountainhead", "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", etc). And there are guys like David Brin and Robert Sawyer who just like to take an idea and poke around with it in story format. And then there's actual hard sci-fi like Rocheworld (Robert Forward) and Rendezvous With Rama (Clarke). Other "genres" are much more cohesive -- You know the basic theme of a romance novel, or a horror novel, or a mystery novel before even reading the back. With sci-fi, you have no idea until you start reading it.

    Sorry, that doesn't help. It just bugs the hell out of me, especially with all of the general snobbery about science fiction books.

    One book *I* thought was obvious was "The Sword of Shannara" by Terry Brooks. It's a classic hero-quest book, and I think I read it in 7th grade. Another series I got sucked into around that time was the ORIGINAL Dragonlance trilogy by Weis and Hickman, starting with "Dragons of Autumn Twilight". The other dragonlance novels are pretty bad, though there may be a few gems that I never found.

    A great place to start compiling would be scouring the newberry medal winners list for sci-fi/fantasy. Offhand, "The Giver" is a good one on that list. The book that got me started on Fantasy was "The Book of Three" by Lloyd Alexander. I read it in fourth grade so it should be pretty easy for them. The second book in the series is better known, "The Black Cauldron". Disney made a terrible movie out of it. The fifth book (The High King) won a newberry medal I believe.

    Depending on age, Roger Zelazny's "Chronicles of Amber" is for my money one of the best fantasy series ever written. Maybe better suited in a couple more years though.

    If they're very good readers already, I also enjoyed "The Dragonbone Chair" by Tad Williams. It features a young hero, but it's very slow moving, so unless they're already avid, fast readers, it will develop too slowly.

    James and the Giant Peach is awesome if perhaps a bit young. Dahl has lots of great stuff. I STILL like reading his books :-)

    "Bridge of Birds" by Barry Hughart is phenomenal and about the right age, though I didn't read it until I was an adult.

    I'm sure it's been mentioned but "His Dark Materials" by Philip Pullman is fantastic. It has some VERY heavy themes but that's WHY it's so impressive. It's written simply and plainly for young readers. It doesn't insult their intelligence, and the ideas presented could be challenging for anybody.

    Stephen King wrote a fantasy book for his daughter called "The Eyes Of The Dragon" -- That's probably around the right age. It's not horror at all, though naturally because it's Stephen King, it's kind of dark.

    Arthurian legend is always fun -- T.H. White wrote "The Once And Future King" which is good for that age. That's what Disney turned into "The Sword in the Stone". When they're older, the best Arthuran legend book I've ever read (and I've read a lot of em) is "The Crystal Cave" by Mary Stewart.

    Xanth novels by Piers Anthony were great around that age. They're not quality literature but they were a good quick read when I was that age. You have to be careful of Piers Anthony though, some of his other series (Bio Of A Space Tyrant for instance) is halfway to porn. And I enjoyed the hell out of that series too, but perhaps not preteen material.

    Alan Dean Foster's "Pip and

  353. Here some more by KezMaefele · · Score: 1

    If you just want to get him hooked within a few milliseconds. Put Ender's Game in his hands. Then build the 'foundation' with Asimov of course. Switch it up big time with some Zelazny. Not Lord of Light. (yet) Try Doorways in the Sand. Dan Simmons Hyperion Cantos is excellent. Then blow his mind away with Clifford Simak - City. Back to Hard SF with some Verner Vinge - A Fire Upon the Deep. Mix in Pratchet and Douglas Adams when things get too moody. My number one suggestion is that you read the books first and then pass them on. You can talk about the books together. Even if it is what you might think of as tough material for a kid, if you talk about it together, then you can help him work through it with your years of wisdom. Don't let him get within a mile of Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany. It will twist up his mind. Most adults can't get through it. Avoid Peter F. Hamilton until he is much older.

  354. sci-fi, or science in fiction by rubah · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't call Discworld very sciencey at all, but I did enjoy them when I was 12 inspite of not getting the jokes. Mort, Nightwatch, The Truth, and Soul Music are easy enough to enjoy for themselves, but Wyrd Sisters requires reading some basic Shakespeare to really get into, for example.

    The Young Wizards series is rather more sciencey than fantasy and I ate it up readily.

    If they like star wars, then get them just about any of those. I went in for two of the han solo trilogies (Daley and Crispin). The latter might have more yuck romancin', but it reads a lot more easily than the former, which is closer akin to the old school sci-fi.

    Speaking of old school, you know you could throw Edgar Rice Burroughs (Tarzan) at them. It's close enough to being an alien world, or so I thought. Or Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.

    Jurassic Park was well thumbed also. I definitely read it more often than I watched the movie, and more Crichton couldn't hurt. Andromeda Strain, Timeline, etc

    I'm getting off-base with science fiction here I guess; they might be sciency and be fiction, but they're not set in far off astroworlds, but I'll just go one step further and recommend the Dirk Pitt books by Clive Cussler. They're practically made for young boys (and tomgirls). My classmates and I pretty much ate them up during 6-8th grades. You might just find yourself laden with a couple of marine biologists afterwards.

  355. War of the worlds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A great sci-fi book that does sci-fi w/o all the modern special effects.

  356. what about Roger Zelazny? by danny · · Score: 1
    His best book is I think Lord of Light - the link is to my review - which may be a bit complicated for pre-teens. But what about the Amber books?

    I might have been too precocious a reader for my experience to be useful, but I remember enjoying Heinlein, Keith Laumer, Andre Norton, and a lot of other authors. Have a think about short stories - they're often more approachable than novels, both in complexity and size.

    Danny.

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    1. Re:what about Roger Zelazny? by d'fim · · Score: 1

      Zelazny's my favorite author, but there are better places for younger ones to start than Lord of Light or Amber.

      Doorways In the Sand is great for pre-teens; and I personally believe that Eye of Cat should be required reading for the younger ones.

      Bring Me the Head of Prince Charming is both hilarious and appropriate for kids.

      There are a lot more kid-appropriate Zelazny titles that I can't think of off the top of my head.

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    2. Re:what about Roger Zelazny? by danny · · Score: 1
      I'd forgotten about Eye of Cat!

      I don't know Bring Me the Head of Prince Charming - is that what it sounds like, a parody of a traditional fairy story?

      Danny.

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    3. Re:what about Roger Zelazny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I think "Isle of the Dead" is a great way to introduce young people to Zelazny.

      I have an old graphic novel of his short stories that my son LOVED when he was 8, and that lead him to read the later novels. He thinks the Amber series is one of the greatest pieces of fiction ever written and I agree.

      Pretty much anything Zelazny wrote is highly recommended, as are C.J. Cherryh, Ann McCaffery, and of course, the masters, Asimov, Clarke, Bradbury, and Heinlein. I also like Larry Niven and my favorite answer to "Star Ship Troopers" a book called "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman. It's brilliant.

      Once they reach the age of about 15, let them read "Stalking the Nightmare" a collection of short stories by Harlen Ellison. If they can handle that, they are ready for anything.

    4. Re:what about Roger Zelazny? by d'fim · · Score: 1

      Yes, Prince Charming is a takeoff on the traditional fairy story. It's actually a collaboration with Robert Sheckley. I would suggest that any of the Zelazny/Sheckley collaborations would be suitable for kids.

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  357. H.G. Wells - WOTW by steeljaw · · Score: 1

    War of the Worlds was one of the first sci-fi books that ever kept me turning pages, and it moves along at a pretty quick pace so it should keep them interested. Hopefully they haven't seen the Tom Cruise / Steven Speilberg recreation or the end will be spoiled!

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    1. Re:H.G. Wells - WOTW by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      I'll have to agree. I read this one when I was 11 or so and I couldn't put it down until I finished it. Well's descriptive language is pretty underrated. I've only read it once and large parts of it are still seared into my brain.

  358. Why this Dinosaur SF?? by scurvyj · · Score: 1

    Guys, there has to be something better than this dinosaur SF. Especially that Asimov drivel or gods-help-us Heinlein's absolute CRUD (do you really want moronic hippy lasseiz-faire capitalist individualist fascist dross shoved down their young throats??). Somebody must have written some good SF for young readers out there, just hunt around. If you are REALLY determined to go after "the Classics", ie. stuff written long ago, but you want GOOD rather than just PULP: One thing I can recommend is the 'The White Mountains' trilogy by John Christopher. Its based on the idea that Wells' tripods won the war but didn't completely terraform the earth. More adventure than pure SF but still a very good read and quite intelligent and pithy. One of the best SF stories I ever read was a young-readers book and I've still got it in my collection, namely: The Missing Persons League - by Frank Bonham. http://www.amazon.com/Missing-Persons-League-Point/dp/0590338471 I'm sure there are others, if I think of them I'll put them up here, but I'd seriously question the value of going after the dinosaurs just because they got a lot of publicity: they usually weren't actually that good or even particularly 'Science' fiction. And don't forget - Short Stories! There were some very very good short stories and some excellent anthologies exist. Try 'Who Goes There' by John W. Cambell - this will give them nightmares, especially when you show them 'The Thing' which is a fairly faithful telling of it. :)

    1. Re:Why this Dinosaur SF?? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      OK, I actually liked the Foundation series, but you're entitled to your opinion.

      Still, I honestly don't see how anyone can possibly insult "Dune".

  359. Rendezvous with Rama by peterofoz · · Score: 1

    I enjoyed Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke first published in 1972. It looks like its also set to be a movie in 2009.

  360. re books by vtcodger · · Score: 1
    I can't imagine that you'll get down this far in the hundreds of replies, but I'd say for young readers:

    Terry Prachett

    Heinlein's juveniles

    James Schmitz

    Arthur C Clark

    The first three or four Harry Potter books

    Maybe The Hobbit. (But not LOTR which is waaaayyy too long)

    And maybe if you come across a copy, the best Science Fiction novel no one has ever heard of -- Ward Moore's "Bring the Jubilee"

    And I'd also start looking for suitable main stream fiction. By the time those kids go off to school you want them to know who Austen, Solzhenitsyn, Faulkner, Hemingway, Tolstoy, Swift, Voltaire et al are and to have read some of them. If you never give them anything but Science Fiction and Fantasy, their education will be left to schools -- which, for reasons that elude me -- tend to teach books that are guaranteed to turn anyone off of reading.

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  361. Andre Norton by mjackson14609 · · Score: 1

    579 replies and nobody has mentioned Andre Norton?

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  362. Re:Dark and Cynical? by jthill · · Score: 1

    If she's got "power and confidence", then what the hell is she doing preying on little boys?

    I mean, I see the elision you (or McSweeneys) are talking about, but I think the absence of mature sex drives is more intended to get the rest of the stuff in without complications kids are simply unequipped to understand than to pretend that they don't exist.

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  363. Eragon and Eldest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eragon and Eldest are great books. (Part of the 4 book Inheritance Series still under publication.)

  364. Too Cynical? by CranberryKing · · Score: 1
    I find it interesting that you:

    1. Find the authors you mentioned cynical

    2. Wish to shield your children from it

    Looking around at the state of affairs today, I have found that Science Fiction writers (especially the ones you mentioned) have the MOST accurate and grounded view of reality. But give em Harry Potter if you really want them to be safe (& asleep).

  365. Counter-Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have read lots of scifi, because I love the genre, but I must admit I've not read any scifi books that I wouldn't consider as being much more than fluff for pre-teens to mid-teens. So, what is the best scifi novel? Answers on a postcard, make sure you take of your nostalgia goggles before responding.

  366. As a teen this is what i liked... by Dragonmana117 · · Score: 1

    Dragonback trilogy by timothy zahn(starts with Dragon and Theif), Dragon riders of Pern by Anne McAfree but only the first three are any good (Dragonflight, Dragonquest, The White Dragon also note these might be a little too adult in parts), the Seven Tower series by Garth Nix, Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams (nothing like the movie), The Foundation trilogy by Issac Asamov, iRobot by Issac Asamove (again nothing like the movie), A Wrinkle in time by Madeleine L'engle, the dark is rising by Susan Cooper (nothing like the movie), A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula K Laguin, the White Mountan trilogy by John Christopher, the Black Cauldron by Loyd Alexander, Dragonlance Chronicles by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, and everest by Gordon Korman, Hardy Boys. Those are my favorites,

  367. Ayn Rand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, though it might be a little wordy.- better for a teen.

    Starship Troopers is not dark at all, and it what I would recommend first for pre-teen.

  368. Re: E.E. Doc Smith by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    The real implications of genetics are a side of science that the politically correct have always cowered away from; the idea of the wish for all to have equal liberty is very difficult to reconcile with the fact that people are not, and never have been, equal in any objective sense. But we almost all pick our partners for their objective good qualities; looks to brains, effectiveness at providing, demonstrated success in the sieves of education, business, physical performance, compassion. We're all guilty of eugenics - we certainly don't pick the most disadvantaged bum from the camp under the bridge and mate with them.

    Neither Skylark or Lensman are morally sound. Having said that, they're still great fun to read.

    The books I suggested at the top -- Decision at Doona and Welcome to Mars -- are both morally sound AND great fun to read. As some of the replies suggested, McCaffery is mostly known for her dragon books, which aren't exactly high quality SF; they're actually pretty poor fantasy (with, let it be said, huge appeal to kids - dragons, after all...) Decision at Doona is something else entirely. A great read. Welcome to Mars is - again IMHO - actually inspiring, though just a little dated if you're up on your electronics.

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  369. Nicholas Fisk by garethc · · Score: 1

    I remember loving the "Starstormers" series by Nicholas Fisk... aged around 9 or 10. I don't think it's the most fantastic quality writing, but it was gripping stuff at the time. Building spaceships from junk - what more could you want? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Fisk#Full_Bibliography_of_Nicholas_Fisk.27s_Works http://darrylslibrary.wordpress.com/category/genres/science-fiction/

    1. Re:Nicholas Fisk by WibbleOnMars · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. I enjoyed some of his books.

      As an aside, he came and visited our school once, and did a talk in our class.

  370. Speaking of Asimov by snooo53 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm actually kind of surprised no one until now has really mentioned any of Asimov's robot series, or the Norby Chronicles written by him and his wife Janet Asimov. Perfect for a pre-teen.

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    1. Re:Speaking of Asimov by immcintosh · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I would never suggest Asimov to anybody until they're well into and comfortable with Sci-Fi and prepared to appreciate it entirely on a conceptual and intellectual level. The sad fact is, while his imagination was amazing, the actual craft of Asimov's writing is, to put it mildly, badly lacking. Flatter, more affectless characters have rarely been put to paper. Don't get me wrong, the Foundation series and I, Robot (absolutely not its sequels though--yikes) are some of the best Sci-Fi I've read, but I really don't think his writing is something that will engage young people.

    2. Re:Speaking of Asimov by daemonaetea · · Score: 1

      I was coming in here specifically to point out the Norby Chronicles. I don't believe they're being published now, so you'll have to find them second hand, but I thought they were great when I was younger (still do, as a matter of fact) and they were written towards a younger audience anyway.

  371. Nicholas Fisk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't know if he's still in print but great stuff.

    Can be dark (but what is the point of SF if its just the Jetsons).

    Short enough that 9-12 yearolds won't be intimidated.

  372. Inherit the Stars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Inherit the Stars", by James P. Hogan. The whole Giants series is pretty good, but this one is an exceptional read. All of his books lead you down a well laid path to an obvious conclusion, then set the ending completely orthogonal to what you expected, even though it fits the story line. Always an interesting surprise.

    If you don't mind drifting from SF/Fantasy, I would very highly recommend "The Count of Monte Christo", by Alexander Dumas, and "Mysterious Island" by Jules Verne. Both are excellent books, and Verne always takes a scientific approach to things.

  373. CONTACT by mlawrence · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By Carl Sagan. Sci-fi mixed with a little bit of learning - can't go wrong. :)

    1. Re:CONTACT by hoover · · Score: 1

      Same here, I'd vouch for CONTACT or should you also consider some non-scifi stuff to get them interested in space & astronomy issues, the "cosmos" book accompanying Sagan's TV series of the same name.

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  374. Re:Dark and Cynical? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

    While it may well end up being what you want to avoid in the end (who knows, there are 3 books left to go, so anything could happen), so far, George RR Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire is what you're looking for. I also recommend Joe Lawson's The Calm Before the Storm. It's been a while since I read it, but I recall that it was free of the plot mechanics you mention. Again, though, it's only the first book, so things could change.

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  375. Jules Verne, H.G. Wells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well's stories are often short. Verne's can get long and plodding. There are many great sci-fi short stories.

  376. Douglas adams for sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anything written by douglas adams but is good sci fi for young guys (hitch hikers, Dirk Gently) but you have to watch out cuz he drops the F bomb in some of his books

  377. Stick with th Heinlein... by justdaven · · Score: 1

    I think you were right to think of Heinlein. I grew up with his books. The political stuff is only there because now YOU have a context to recognize it. They won't. Starship Troopers, Red Planet, Between Planets, Have spacesuit will travel, Space Cadet... The whole teenage series is great. I still re-read them every few months myself...

  378. Diana Wynne Jones and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since I was a kid, my favorite author is Diana Wynne Jones. Her stuff reminds me a lot of Orson Scott Card's stuff for some reason. My favorites are "A Tale of Time City" and "Howl's Moving Castle" (which is almost nothing like the movie, much better). The Chrestomanci series is good too.

    I also remember liking stuff by (does some frantic googling) H. M. Hoover. "Away is a Strange Place to Be", and "This Time of Darkness". Haven't read those in a long time though.

    Also:
    "A Wrinkle in Time", Madeleine L'Engle
    Anything by Orscon Scott Card
    The Chronicles of Narnia
    "A String in the Harp" by Nancy Bond
    The Tripod series by John Christopher
    The Myth books by Robert Asprin
    "My Teacher is an Alien"
    "Voices After Midnight" and "Secrets of the Shopping Mall" by Richard Peck

    Wow, I haven't read some of these in ages. I'll have to go ransack the library!

  379. Prydain recommendation enthusiastically seconded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Don't overlook these classics by Lloyd Alexander -- they're quite magical.

    Also try "The Perilous Gard" by Elizabeth Marie Pope.

  380. The Giver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loved The Giver when I was young. They might have read it for school already (I'm not sure at which level we read it) but its still a good read.

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  382. My picks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a fun read you can't go wrong with Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy...

    For that age, perhaps you could look into the Tom Swift series.

  383. Garth Nix by Scud · · Score: 1

    Garth Nix has written several different series the are geared for the young adult. I highly recommend him.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garth_Nix

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  384. Re:Heinlein juveniles and others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ditto on the Piers Anthony recommendation. Great for a pre-teen, but still a bit tongue in cheek as I remember. Dad can read along.

    Dragon Riders of Pern (Anne McCaffrey)? Read it as a teen, but might work for pre-teen.

  385. Re:Garth Nix. Awards by Scud · · Score: 1

    Sorry for the double post, but I guess that I should have cited some awards:

    1999 - awarded a Special Award in the Golden Duck Awards for Australian Contribution to Children's Science Fiction
    1995 - Aurealis Award in the categories of fantasy and young adult literature for Sabriel
    2002 - awarded the South Australian Festival Award for Children's Literature for Lirael
    2002 - awarded the Ditmar in the category of Best Australian Novel for Lirael
    2003 - Aurealis Award in the category of fantasy novel and YA novel for Abhorsen
    2003 - Aurealis Award in the category of children's long fiction for Mister Monday
    2004 - awarded Honour Book in the Children's Book Council of Australia Book of the Year Awards for Mister Monday
    2005 - Aurealis Award in the category of best YA short story and Golden Aurealis for best short story for 'Nicholas Sayre and the Creature in the Case'
    2005 - Aurealis Award in the category of children's long fiction for Drowned Wednesday

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  386. How about Vernor Vinge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would recommend Rainbows End by Vernor Vinge. It is a recent book that they might enjoy.

  387. Orson Scott Card by twodayslate · · Score: 1

    The Ender and Shadow Series by Orson Scott Card is great. They are the only books that I have really read and enjoyed at the same time.

  388. John Christopher's Tripods trilogy by glv · · Score: 1

    When I was in fifth and sixth grades, I loved the Tripods trilogy, by John Christopher. "The White Mountains", "The City of Gold and Lead", and "The Pool of Fire" are beautiful, powerful novels for children, but I was surprised how moving I found them when i reread them a couple years ago. (It's safe to skip the prequel, "When the Tripods Came", which was written 20 years later. It's not bad, but not up to the standard the others set.)

    They're not "hard" science fiction; the science is sketchy at best. But they have a great postapocalyptic setting and a delightfully creepy vibe.

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  389. Lord Valentine's Castle by Robert Silverberg by shark72 · · Score: 1

    The original, original, released in 1980, was an excellent book. The various followups are worth skipping. A tiny bit of sex and violence, but largely okay for an 11-year-old.

    There's also Engdahl's The Far Side of Evil.

    Just to second a few other mentions: The Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison is good fun; the protagonist is profoundly anti-violence but does like his liquor. Starship Troopers, as mentioned in the summary, may not be the best choice, but Heinlein wrote tons of excellent juveniles.

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  390. Some oldie goldies for pre-teens by kunakida · · Score: 1

    Rocketship Galileo-Heinlein
    Space Cadet-Heinlein
    Have Spacesuit Will Travel-Heinlein
    Storm Over Warlock-Andre Norton
    Star Rangers-Andre Norton
    Slan-A.E. Van Vogt
    The City and the Stars-Isaac Asimov
    I Robot-Isaac Asimov
    Lucky Starr series-Isaac Asimov
    Childhood's End-Arthur C. Clarke
    Expedition to Earth-Arthur C. Clarke
    Brightsuit McBear-L. Neil Smith
    Raiders From The Rings-Alan E. Nourse
    Rocket to Limbo-Alan E. Nourse
    Star Surgeon-Alan E. Nourse
    The Counterfeit Man-Alan E. Nourse
    Hospital Station-James White
    Star Surgeon-James White
    Hestia-C.J. Cherryh
    Dragonflight-Anne McCaffrey
    Dragon's Egg-Robert L Forward
    Mission of Gravity-Hal Clement
    Spacepaw-Gordon R. Dickson
    Blackcollar-Timothy Zahn
    Enemy Mine-Barry B. Longyear
    And of course pretty much anything by E.E. Doc Smith, but specially the Lensman series.

    I also consider Starship Troopers somewhere in there, but you have to consider that young boys won't really get the political side of it until they get older and re-read it.

  391. Ursula Le Guin by xdancergirlx · · Score: 2, Informative

    I also highly recomment the Earthsea series, the 4th book, Tehanu, is actually my favourite book of all time.

    There are actually 6 books:
    - A Wizard of Earthsea (1968)
    - Tombs of Atuan (1971)
    - The Farthest Shore (1972)
    - Tehanu (1990)
    - Tales from Earthsea (2001)
    - The Other Wind (2001)

    Tehanu is a revist to the world of Earthsea through female characters. Tales from Earthsea is a collection of short stories (fairly long short stories) which occur mostly outside of the plot of the other 5 books, but who give context to the world itself and the final book. The last book continues from Tehanu and brings her narrative and the whol series to a more conclusive, and beautiful, end. Highly recommended for any age of person!!

  392. Harry Harrison by cyberwench · · Score: 1

    As a kid, I read all the standard Hitchhiker's stuff. One series I thought was particularly fantastic, though, is the Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison. It's an excellent read, and really suave scifi. He also did a series called Bill the Galactic Hero - not as suave, but still pretty fun. They're not grand literature, or even hardcore scifi like some of his other books. Excellent summer reading - I may have to pick them up again this summer myself.

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  393. Timothy Zahn, David Weber, Eric Flint by qcontinuum · · Score: 1

    Aside from the majority of the Star Wars novels (especially the X-Wing series), my three favorite authors are Timothy Zahn, David Weber, and Eric Flint.

    Zahn's stuff is a bit older than the other two (80's on up). His books are generally fast-paced, with enough action to keep a younger reader interested but they also almost always deal with themes or include moral dilemmas which keep even jaded college students such as myself thinking. Some of my personal favorites include The Icarus Hunt, the Cobra trilogy, and the Conqueror's trilogy.

    Weber is almost a "Tom Clancy of Sci-Fi". He writes almost exclusively military sci-fi, almost hard sci-fi but with one or two "fantastic" technologies (usually some form of FTL travel and some form of artificial gravity, but no more). His language is a little coarser and his characters sometimes get into adult situations, but its pretty much PG-13. Some of his best work include the Honor Harrington series (which has been described as Horatio Hornblower in space) and the Empire From the Ashes trilogy.

    Flint is the comedian of the group. In every one of his books I've read there has been at least one or two points where I've laughed out loud. In addition, he seems to be very adept at writing characters who younger Sci-Fi readers can relate well to. He writes mostly fantasy, with an emphasis on alternate history. He's probably best known for his 1632/Ring of Fire Series, in which a small West Virginian mining town from the late 20th Century gets sent back to Seventeenth century Germany, in the middle of the Hundred Years War. Flint's material is also generally PG-13.

    If you're interested in trying out Weber or Flint, the Baen Free Library has much of their work available for free in about a half-dozen formats (including HTML and RTF).

    1. Re:Timothy Zahn, David Weber, Eric Flint by darrylo · · Score: 1

      Weber and Flint are two of my favorite authors, but I'm not sure how appropriate they are for pre-teens, due to the hard military Sci-Fi topics. They're probably OK for teens, but I'm not sure if pre-teens would really be interested in them.

      And, yes, I'll second and third the recommendation for the Baen Free Library. There are a lot of good books and series there. Note, however, that not all books in a series are there. For example, you really need to have read H Beam Piper's, "Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen" (which is not in the library), before reading "Great King's War", or much will probably be confusing.

  394. just off the top of my head by TheClam · · Score: 1

    Someone up there mentioned David Brin, so here's a second for him. Epecially the Uplift Series, and Kiln People. Also, Heart of the Comet with Gregory Benford.

    Many people mentioned Ender's Game...this is a perfect, empowering book for kids.

    I just read Peter F Hamilton's The Dreaming Void recently and loved it.

    David Weber's whole Honor Harrington series, or Bujold's Miles what's-his-name series. Weber's more recent one, Armageddon Reef, was good.

    Robert Sawyer.

    Andromeda Strain. (Great Train Robbery by Crichton isn't sci fi but a fun read for a summer car ride)

    Stephen Baxter's Evolution if you want to blow their minds, or his NASA Trilogy if they're space nuts like we used to be.

    Besides Clarke's 2001 etc., his large short story collection is good.

    Snow Crash.

    Brave New World.

    McCaffrey, only if your kids already like dragons. Otherwise, it's not really that great.

    A Fire Upon the Deep, a Deepness in the Sky, everything else by Vinge.

    The Mote in God's Eye.

    Iain M Banks Culture stuff (keep them away from his non-scifi stuff for now!)

    That should keep them busy for a while.

    Kim Stanley Robinson.

  395. Circle of Magic by Bifurcati · · Score: 1

    Aside from all the great ones already mentioned, I really enjoyed the "Circle of Magic" series by Deborah Doyle. Re-released a few years ago, and has a level of detail that appeals to the physicist in me, while still being very readable for a 10 year old!

  396. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    William Sleator wrote scifi/speculative fiction for young adults--his books are exciting and generally an easy and fun read--good for a car trip. I'd start with Interstellar Pig, the Green Futures of Tycho, Singularity, House of Stairs, the Duplicate, and The Boy who Reversed Himself were my favorites.

    I also remember an anthology of short stories called Young Mutants (edited by Isaac Asimov, Martin Greenberg, and Charles G. Waugh)--this was a great introduction to scifi short stories.

    I recommend the short stories of Philip K. Dick--they generally have really good twists, and I found them addictive. If I were to start with a PKD novel, I'd recommend Eye In the Sky--thematically it's engrossing, accessible, and thought-provoking. Later they may choose to read some of the more mind-bending PKD.

    Finally, I really enjoyed Kurt Vonnegut when I was in high school. It's definitely for a more mature reader, but his works are also considered classic literature.

    I echo all the recommendations of Ender's Game, as well as Dune. However, if they read Dune too early, they could be turned off of a book that they would enjoy when they're a little older (this happened to me when I tried to read Lord of the Rings in seventh grade and couldn't get through it--I still haven't gone back to it).

    Happy reading!

  397. Well, it should be ok.... by Barny · · Score: 1
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  398. Dorsai! By Gordon R. Dickson by Marrow · · Score: 1

    Tactics of Mistake
    Necromancer

  399. In fantasy: Oz by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

    If we're looking at fantasy books, the Oz series (starting with the Wizard of Oz) were the Harry Potter books of the early 20th century. I read many of them when I was young.

    Many were hard to come by at the time; but now all of them seem to be in Project Gutenberg

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  400. some books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of the Star Wars books
    Apprentice Adept series or other books by Piers Anthony
    Dune books
    Surely You are Joking, Mr. Feynman (by Richard P. Feynman) depending on age
    Books by Isaac Asimov

  401. This might be a bit too much of a pun but... by alcmaeon · · Score: 1

    "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke

  402. Gemini Game by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

    Gemini Game by Michael Scott. It was one of my favorite books when I was a young'in.

    Card catalog description
    When players of their virtual reality computer game fall into a coma, Liz and BJ O'Connor, teenage owners of a computer games company, flee from the police in an attempt to locate a copy of their game and correct the programming.

  403. Sci-Fi Books For Pre-Teens? by harleythunder · · Score: 1

    I would suggest IMHO trying something like Harry Harrisons, The Stainless Steel Rat. Got me hooked with his sense of humor. When I read the pre-text... "I can steal anything, anytime, anywhere, regardless if the guards are Human, Electronic, or Other. I was so good that by the time the space cops finally caught up with me, there was only one thing they could do. They made me a cop!" No F-bombs or needless: Brown chicken brown cow (say it out loud with that 70's funk)! Kept me interested since I was a wee lad!

    1. Re: Sci-Fi Books For Pre-Teens? by Drafell · · Score: 1

      Corrupt them early. I think we are guilty of being a little too protectionist of our children these days. Get them used to the idea that life IS dark and cynical, and they will be well prepared for any future.

    2. Re: Sci-Fi Books For Pre-Teens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was 8-11, I was enjoying:

      Nicholas Fisk -
      Grinny, Trillions, A rag, a bone and a hank of hair and Antigrav - were some of his best.

      William Sleator - wrote a few great books for children including: The Boy who Reversed Himself and Singularity, 'House of Stairs' is good too, but perhaps more suitable for teens.

      Ray Bradbury has been mentioned more than once, and his books of shorts stories 'S is for Space' and 'R is for Rocket' were my earliest introduction to serious Sci Fi.

      Children also might enjoy Monica Dickens who wrote 'Crisis on Conshelf Ten' and 'Earthdark' - as well as the distopian novel 'Devil on my Back'

  404. Battlefield Earth - L. Ron Hubbard by tuna_wasabi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's controversial author aside, Battlefield Earth is one of the best science fiction books ever written. It's written in a straightforward pulp-action style that is great for kids to digest (as long as they're not intimidated by the ~1k page count). There's nothing too deep or demanding, it's just sci-fi action at it's best. Make sure to buy the copy with the original cover art; leave the hammy John Travolta cover in the store.

    1. Re:Battlefield Earth - L. Ron Hubbard by mgoheen · · Score: 1

      As the parent says, ignore the author and get your kids to read this. I recommended it to at least 8 people and they ALL loved it (and this list included both my father and father-in-law, neither of which read much sci-fi). The end drags on a bit, but it's a great adventure...

  405. Childhood Fantasy by Caleb615 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The following are all "coming of age" stories which I hope might appeal to your children. Most are winners of the Nebula and or Newberry prizes for literature - which generally means that they can be found in a local library. I will not bother to list all of the wonderful Heinlein novels and stories as they clearly have many champions, though I will plug the anthology "The Past through Tomorrow" which hooked me at age nine and started a life long passion for reading.

    David Eddings

    Lloyd Alexander

    • The Chronicles of Prydain - wonderful series based around Welsh Mythology, basis of Disney's "The Black Cauldron". When Alexander died in 2007, his obituary in New York Magazine hoped that "The High King is everything we desperately hope Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows will be."

    Ursula LeGuin

    • The Earthsea Trilogy - I cannot recommend this series enough. If your children had any interest in the "Harry Potter" series this is a must read.

    R. A. MacAvoy

    T.H. White

    That should keep them busy over the summer.

  406. Stainless Steel Rat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison? Although I like the earlier books in the series more than the books last few books in the series.

  407. L'engle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Madeleine L'Engle, author of the somewhat famous A Wrinkle In Time series (the "Time Quartet") was a great author for pre-teenage fantasy/sci-fi. Some of the concepts may be a bit over your children's heads, but they will learn. :) PS, I hate you, Slashdot, for making your captcha so difficult for the learning impaired to type.

  408. The Molecular Ramjet, and other bedtime stories by onebadmutha · · Score: 1

    good short stories, nerdy as all get out, and pre-teen accessible.

  409. Stroud, Gould, Farmer by njainsch · · Score: 1

    A lot of the books recommended here are really old. Good, but old. How about the "Temeraire" series by Naomi Novik (dragons and the Napoleonic Wars) The Ear, The Eye and The Arm by Nancy Farmer (adventure in future Africa) The House of the Scorpion by Nancy Farmer (clones in future Mexico) The Bartimaus Trilogy by Jonathan Stroud (magicians in an alternate history London. Much better than Potter) Jumper by Steve Gould Wildside by Steve Gould (don't hold the movie against him, the books are high adventure in the vein of Heinlein juveniles, but more up-to-date in the underlying societal assumptions)

  410. Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty much anything by the late Arthur C. Clarke.

    His short stories (of which there are many) are not based on fantasy for the most part but on relatively solid scientific underpinnings.

    In particular his novel 'Childhoods End' had a deep impact on me, inspiring me to start applying myself at school and eventually obtaining a degree in applied science.. I can honestly say without that inspiration I'd be working in a trade right now. I'm not sure if this would be suitable for a pre-teenager though.

    On another note, I couldn't not recommend Isaak Asimov.

  411. Howard vs. Lovecraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was a young lad of 11-12, I read and reread the Robert E. Howard "Conan" stories. Lovecraft came a year later and is probably closer to the sci-fi genre.

    I still go back and read that stuff. Love it now 25 years later.

    1. Re:Howard vs. Lovecraft by alcmaeon · · Score: 1

      Read the Howard Cthulhu mythos stuff. It is in the Lovecraft style, but his protagonists kick dark god ass.

  412. Tom Swift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For children that young, the Tom Swift stories tell of a young inventor and his adventures... great stuff....

  413. The Mad Scientist's Club by Binary+Ninja · · Score: 1

    The Wizard of Oz and the sequels.
    The Mad Scientists Club by Bertrand R. Brinley (Some reprints available at Purple House Press.)
    Alfred Hitchcock and the Three Investigators
    The Cyberiad by Stanislaw Lem. Maybe Solaris.
    Stand on Zanzibar.
    The Sheep Look Up.
    Shockwave Rider.
    The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, The Door into Summer.
    The Dragon Riders of Pern.
    The Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy.
    The Illuminati Trilogy.
    The Lord of the Rings, etc.
    Sten. (Yup, Bunch and Cole.)
    The Stainless Steel Rat.
    The Nomads of Gor.
    Dune.
    Old time radio SciFi. (Free podcast on iTunes.)

  414. Novelizations and Comics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your kids are preteens and into science fiction, get them the books based upon the SF television series or movies of their choice. (That's what I started with when I was in elementary school. Fortunately, it was so long ago that there were only the James Blish "Star Trek" books, so after a bit, I was forced to find other SF in the kids' and YA section in my local library. I started with "The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet" and "The Runaway Robot".) Don't discount comics, either. Check out your local comic shop for everything to the illustrated "Little Fuzzy" to the original "Elfquest" and Carl Barks' "Scrooge McDuck" and Simpson's comics (which are often better than the recent seasons, I find).

  415. John Belairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Belairs is a kids H.P. Lovecraft

  416. Tom Swift by ageoffri · · Score: 1
    I vaguely remember reading Tom Swift books when I was in late elementary and Jr. High school. Those books kept my interest and were easy/fun reads.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Swift#The_New_Tom_Swift_Jr._Adventures_series_.281954-1971.29

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  417. SF and Fantasy Authors for Young Readers by solprovider · · Score: 4, Informative

    Over 50 authors sorted by chronological age of readers. Some (e.g. Heinlein) have books for younger readers, but continuing with the author leads to adult books. All (except the Acorna series) are accessible to older readers.

    L. Frank Baum - classic Oz for the very young
    Lloyd Alexander - Prydain
    John Christopher (Samuel Youd) - Tripods series.
    Susan Cooper - Dark Is Rising series
    Robin McKinley
    Robert Asprin - Myth Adventures and Phule series. Other series should wait until mid-teens. Just bought Dragon's Wild -- not read yet, but seems more adult.
    Jody Lynn Nye - Mythology
    Terry Pratchet - Discworld
    Christopher Stasheff - Warlock series, earliest books will need to be reread when older; middle of series is great for children; latest are romances for late teens.
    Craig Shaw Gardner
    Piers Anthony - Xanth
    Brian Jacques - Redwall
    Lyndon Hardy - Only one fantasy trilogy.
    Harry Harrison - Stainless Steel Rat series. Many other books for different age groups.
    Marion Zimmer Bradley - Darkover
    Katherine Kurtz - Deryni
    Barbara Hambly
    Anne McCaffrey - Acorna series is for young children, painful for adults. Talents, Brainships, and Crystal Singer are for any age. Dragonriders vary starting late teens.
    Joel Rosenberg - Guardians of the Flame series; warning: main characters die!
    Stephen R. Donaldson - Mordant's Need (fantasy), then Gap series (SF). Covenant series for late teens.
    Alan Dean Foster - pulp writer great for children but too many clichés for adults.
    Edgar Rice Burroughs - classic Tarzan, Mars, and Pellucidar are mandatory.
    C. S. Lewis - Narnia
    Gordon Dickson - Dorsai (especially appealing to boys), many others.
    Terry Brooks (Magic Kingdom for Sale series)
    J. K. Rowling - Harry Potter, mandatory for this decade
    Fritz Leiber - Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser series is great for boys
    John DeChancie - Castle series
    Fred Saberhagen - Empire of the East and Swords series
    Frederick Pohl
    James P. Hogan - SF
    Laura Resnick - Fantasy
    Orson Scott Card - Ender's Game, Shadow series, Enchantment, Songmaster, Magic Street.
    Spider Robinson - Deathkiller trilogy and short stories. Callahan's Series for late teens (fun but adult-themed jokes would be missed when very young.)
    L. E. Modesitt, Jr. - Ecolitan and Recluse series.
    W. Michael Gear - Now writing long-winded pulp with his wife, but his Spider trilogy (and "The Artifact" prequel) is incredible (warning: main characters die!)
    Philip José Farmer - World of Tiers
    Terry Goodkind - Sword of Truth series starts well
    Roger Zelazny - Amber
    David Farland (Dave Wolverton) - Runelords
    Jules Verne - classic
    H. G. Wells - classic
    Harry Turtledove - alternate histories, often fantasy.
    Douglas Adams - mandatory for potential nerds.
    Arthur C. Clarke
    Charles Ingrid - SF
    Robert L. Forward
    Isaac Asimov
    Robert Heinlein - mandatory for sci-fi discussions.
    Poul Anderson
    Larry Niven - Ringworld, etc.
    Jerry Pournelle
    Greg Bear
    Ray Bradbury
    Mike Resnick
    C. S. Friedman - often requires rereading to understand (even for adults)

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    1. Re:SF and Fantasy Authors for Young Readers by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      lol I had forgotten about Harry Harrison!

      Bill the Galactic Hero! I must have read it a hundred times.

      Don't think I ever checked out the Steal Rat stuff, maybe I will check it out now just for fun!

      I also forgot about the "MYTH" series... though I remember they got a bit tired after awhile...

    2. Re:SF and Fantasy Authors for Young Readers by Chris+Walker · · Score: 1

      My advice on Terry Goodkind: stop after the first two books of his Sword of Truth series, the last several books are very annoying with overt political diatribe.

      Overall a really good list, but I find the absence of Raymond Feist puzzling; he is perhaps one of the best fantasy authors of our time.

    3. Re:SF and Fantasy Authors for Young Readers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second Edgar Rice Burroughs - Mars, and Pellucidar - Excellent fun swashbuckling space adventure!

      Also Kenneth Oppel - Airborne and Skybreaker

    4. Re:SF and Fantasy Authors for Young Readers by oncehour · · Score: 1

      Hey, this is awesome. Do you consent to your list being used and expanded for a blog entry? Even if not, thanks a lot for compiling it.

    5. Re:SF and Fantasy Authors for Young Readers by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      I've never been able to get into Greg Bear at ANY age, but (of those I've read) I agree with all the rest. I'd add a few more:

      Tad Williams - Otherland
      The Ear, the Eye, and the Arm (can't remember author, but one of my favorites at this age).
      Tamora Pierce - All the Tortall and Circle books are good, though the Circle books are the ones specifically aimed at younger readers.
      Witches of Eileanan (superb fantasy, can't remember author off hand)
      Animporphs (light, fun reads, though short. Easy intro to sci-fi, I loved them until I outgrew them).
      Pullman - Golden Compass, at least, arguably the whole Dark Materials trilogy. May be problematic to people who care about religion.

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  418. if they were good enough for the Woz.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Tom Swift Jr. series. A bit dated, but fun. The were the Woz' fave books as a kid. maybe you too can be inspired to build something cool in your garage.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Swift,_Jr.

  419. For the slightly younger set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loved The Mad Scientists Club by Bertrand R. Brinley before I ever found Asimov and Heinlein. More Science and Fiction than science-fiction, it's a collection of short stories from the '60's. The boys in the club spend their time hanging out, finding caves, building submarines, and solving crimes with a bit of science and math thrown in. There's a website maintained by the author's son, http://www.madscientistsclub.com/books.html

    The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet by Eleanor Cameron was a lot of fun too.

  420. Despite the film.... by Venotar · · Score: 1

    I'd like to reinforce one of Sierran's authors:

    Never having seen the film "Jumper", I feel the need to warn against judging any of Stephen C. Gould's three books ( "Jumper" , "Wildside , and "Reflex" ) on the basis of the film.

    Whatever the the Hollywood production may have been, Gould's books are boy adventure novels with conscience and character. Subtler than Heinlein's "Have space suit -- will travel", "Space Cadet", "Rocket Ship Galileo", "Farmer in the sky" and the like, Gould's books share a similar sense of adventure coupled with a deep sense of responsibility and voices that I believe are more identifiable to modern readers. When I first discovered "Wildside" in my teen years, I reread it repeatedly.

    Gould doesn't have the historical inertia of Bradbury, Heinlein, LeGuinn, Butler, Verne, and the countless others who introduced so many of us to worlds of wonder; but I feel he's got the hallmark of an author who will similarly stand the tests of time. While not nearly as prolific as, say, Orson Scott Card; Gould has consistently produced high quality young adult material. He depicts young characters anyone can identify with as they learn how to stand up and do something about the world around them.

    I personally prefered Wildside; but don't take my word for it - read them all yourself.

  421. Might I suggest... by rpj1288 · · Score: 1

    "A Wrinkle in Time"? It's quite a good book, and aimed at generally the same age group as your kids.

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  422. Code of the Lifemaker and Ringworld by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

    Both "Code of the Lifemaker" and "Ringworld" I found to be pretty fascinating and they each made me think a lot about humanity and our role in the universe.

  423. Horatio Hornblower by Local+Loop · · Score: 1

    The Horatio Hornblower novels. Not sci-fi, but very similar in style. They are a light read, unlike most classics, action-focused, and don't bog down with description. The basic theme is a teenager/young man making his way in the world against moderate adversity.

    Old sailing ship tech is just as alien and fascinating as future sci tech and just as fun to read about. Perhaps more so since it actually happened.

    Of course after 600 some comments I doubt anyone will make down to this post...

    1. Re:Horatio Hornblower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would be wrong, sir or madam. I started reading CS Forester's works about his fictional British Navy hero when I was 7. And they were the springboard for a LOT of independent research and practical application on my part (some benign, some monumentally stupid) about the sea and the finer points of navigating her.

      I'd mod you up if I weren't an AC. The Hornblower novels make for great reading, with some very isolated non-PC exceptions (the use of the N word in a couple of places).

  424. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

    A lot of Juvenile and Young Adult literature (from "The Giver" to "The Chronicles of Narnia" and beyond) is just as interesting to adults as to children, because the mature themes are only evident when you're mature enough to recognize them.

    Yes. I re-read Ursula Le Guin's A Wizard of Earthsea every few years, and get something new out of it each time. (The Sci-Fi channel miniseries never existed. I can't hear you, lalala....)

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  425. Robot City series by statemachine · · Score: 1

    If you can find it, the Robot City series by Asimov. The main characters should be young enough to keep a teen interested.

    But... Foundation is too dry? If you want OC, try fantasy.

  426. Mammoth Trilogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 9 year old daughter loved The Mammoth Trilogy by Stephen Baxter (Silverhair, Longtusk, and Icebones).

  427. Garth Nix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised I haven't seen any recommendations for Garth Nix. I loved the trilogy starting with Sabriel when I was in my early teens. Shade's Children is also very good, though dark.

  428. GREAT BOOKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alan Dean Foster's FLINX Series
    Robert Asprin's MYTH Series
    John DeChancie's CASTLE Series
    Terry Brooks' SHANNARA Series
    Harry Harrison's STAINLESS STEEL RAT Series

    And a whole host of other GREAT Authors...

  429. Re:Dark and Cynical? by CTM87 · · Score: 1

    Are you kidding me? G.R.R.M is without doubt the best author I've ever read, and his ASoIaF is without question amazing, but it's incredibly adult-oriented. I'm all for expanding their horizons and holding nothing back, but if he's worried about dark and cynical, GRRM is not where he should start his kids reading. My little sister is an avid reader, but I wouldn't let her near A Game of Thrones until she's at least 15. Not only is it long and full of political intrigue, it's also full of a Dwarf making randy jokes and having lots of sex.

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  430. Van Vogt, Laumer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couple that I don't think have been mentioned yet: Van Vogt's Null-A books (World of, and Players of [also known as Pawns of]) were favourites of mine when I was 11.

    Also Keith Laumer's work from the 1960s, esp. Dinosaur Beach and the Retief series. But his work went seriously downhill after he had a stroke in the early 70s.

    And yeah, Heinlein's Have Spacesuit Will Travel was probably what got me hooked on sf when I was a bit younger (9 or 10, maybe). They should read that, if they haven't already.

  431. Outlook on life by Tekoneiric · · Score: 1

    You might want to think about how you want to shape his world view before you choose books. Some books can be light hearted but a little pessimistic like the works of Douglas Adams. Some can be more intellectual stimulating like the works of Arthur C. Clark, Ben Bova or Kim Stanley Robertson.

    On the surface Orson Scott Card's works might seem a good choice but his religious views tends to taint his works.

    I think Arthur C Clark's book The City in the Stars would be a good read for a young person.

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  432. PS... by Venotar · · Score: 1

    One fantasy series that'll keep any kid busy for a good long while is the " Redwall " collection. I've known more than a few people who were profoundly affected by Jacques clever tales of animal adventure. Most notable (to me, at least) are the numerous people I've known who found these books to be delightful, despite a lack of interest in SF or fantasy.

  433. Anonymouse Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I first read the foundation trilogy when I was ten, and loved it. I wouldn't hold it back just because you don't think they're old enough.

    Actually, don't hold anything back. Because unless your kid gets an arts degree, likelihood is he/she will have a lot less time to read once they start college and beyond.

  434. Pre-Teen Books by BigDaddyNyth · · Score: 0

    While not exactly Sci-Fi, I plan on introducing my son to Lloyd Alexande's Chronicles of Prydain, Robert Asprin's Myth Adventures and some Roger Zelazny such as Roadmarks and A Dark Traveling and seeing where he goes from there.

  435. choose your own adventure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe your kids are already too old for these, but i still think they're pretty fun. they were like analog infocom games! here's one for starters
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_and_Beyond
    and the rest are nearby.

  436. before standards by celle · · Score: 1

    You might want to look at books before the 1960s or 1970s. When a lot of science was still more speculative, allowing science fiction to go in a myriad of directions. A lot of short stories were written in the 40s and 50s and there's project gutenberg for the really old stuff from verne, burroughs, and wells. Battlefield Earth is a good long read(1000 pages), old version before the crappy movie. Some 50's short story books like "The Space Frontiers", "Invaders of Earth", "Reach for Tomorrow", or "A Way Home" should be workable as the education and lives of young people now are more advanced and complicated than many adults of the 1950's era that these books were aimed at (old bugs bunny vs spongepants(yuk)). They also give a good cross section of authors of the period. I read all of them at age 10 among others and had no trouble following any of them. Many of the stories are short enough to match the attention spans of our young people and many are light enough to be entertaining plus the abundance of stories allow them to choose what they want to read. Authors Clarke, Sturgeon, Tenn, Asimov, Conklin, Vogt, Brown, and others, made for some interesting reading before the big franchises had influence, think Star Trek and Star Wars among others, and before the thinking and presenting became rather standardized.

  437. Summary of multiple authors by Local+Loop · · Score: 1

    Anne McCaffrey - Dragon Fuckers of Pern. Seriously that woman has a embarrassing problem.

    Orson Scott Card - Outside of Ender's Game, everything is a Mormon allegory.

    Robert Heinlein - Never got over his fascination with 19 year old girls and multiple wives. Has absolutely no use for women over 20.

    Isaac Asimov - A couple of big ideas. Books that read like logic puzzles but are devoid of all other literary qualities. Complete inability to write female characters.

    Yes, I'm bitterly disappointed by the sci-fi I used to love as a child.

  438. "Summerland" by Chabon for sure by snStarter · · Score: 1

    If any of them are baseball fans then Michael Chabon's "Summerland" is certainly worth a read - or listen to it as a book on tape, but reading it is best.

  439. Last Legionary Quartet by Fat+Cow · · Score: 1

    The Last Legionary Quartet by Douglas Hill

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    1. Re:Last Legionary Quartet by erroneous · · Score: 1

      I endorse this recommendation.

      Douglas Hill is excellent.

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    2. Re:Last Legionary Quartet by estarriol · · Score: 1
      I absolutely third this recommendation. Here's my pre-teen sci-fi list, find these old books and put them in front of your kids and they will love Sci-fi forever:-

      • - Douglas Hill, the Last Legionary quartet (and it's prequel, Young Legionary) - this is my absolute #1 choice and my spine still tingles as a grown man thinking about these books. Pure excellence.
      • - Harry Harrison, The Man from P.I.G., The Man from R.O.B.O.T. (novellas).
      • - Harry Harrison, Spaceship Medic.
      • - Harry Harrison, Deathworld series.

      Then move on to medium-heavy material as their tastes develop. Examples would be Heinlein teens, Burroughs Mars and Venus series, Gardner Fox's Llarn books, Van Vogt's Slan, possibly Ender's Game although I feel that is a young adult/adult book and the sequel even more so.

      Too many recommendations on here, with respect, are expecting too much sophistication - they're at least 1 or 2 categories too ambitious for the average bright 9-12 year old. Just like Coffee, good Beer and fine Wine, it takes a developed palate to be able to appreciate sophisticated sci-fi. Start them out on cheap beer and move them up to the Westvleteren's as they develop.

      Oh, and I'd always be starting them on fantasy too at the same age. The Dark is Rising sequence by Susan Cooper would be my first bet at that age, followed by Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea cycle. These are much better than Harry Potter. The advantage on starting kids with older books is that they will learn from a young age to appreciate that old books are great too - rather than only reading new stuff - and will thus have a much richer overall pool of stories to draw on.

  440. Tripods, Bone, Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For light reading I recommend the Dragon Singer trilogy by Anne McCrafferty and the Tripod series by John Christopher.

    I'll second that recomendation on the Bone series. Try to find the 1300 page paperback edition. Think Lord of the Rings for kids.

    Some newer series that have my pre-teen hooked are the Olympians series by Rick Riordan. Book 1 is "The Lightning Thief". There's also Peter Pan series by Barry Pearson. And finally, the "Warriors" series of fighting cat clans by Erin Hunter.

  441. More recent books: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not sure how suitable they are for the pre-teen audience but some of my favorites are:

    From a male perspective (Main Character male)
    "Wiz Biz" by Rick Cook
    "Wizardry Consulted" by Rick Cook

    Or from a female perspective (Main Character female)
    "Dragonsbane" by Barbara Hambly

    On the non-sci-fic side:
    "When I say No, I feel Guilty" by Manuel J. Smith (Assertiveness Trainer Techniques)
    "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living" by Dale Carnegie

  442. Nicholas Fisk? by Sockatume · · Score: 1

    I forget whose pen name that was, but he wrote some satisfying, if pretty grim (as in "Outer Limits endings"), adolescent sf which I devoured when I was in my pre-teens. "A Rag, A Bone, and A Hank of Hair" was a personal favourite. No idea if they're good in their own right as I haven't re-read, but I liked the stories at that age.

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  443. Card frequently reviews Children's/YA books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Orson Scott Card has a fairly regular column where he reviews almost anything that he encounters. The column is originally published in his hometown newspaper, but is available online at his website a few days later. Orson reviews MANY books, including quite a few Young Adult and Children's books. He reads many of these books himself in part because he has a now-teenaged daughter who reads voraciously and in part because he finds the quality of the storytelling very good in many cases. As he says repeatedly, kids won't put up with stories that aren't good. That said, you won't find nearly as much time spent on deep, dark night of the soul agonizings such as The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever. And since you are looking for books for your kids, Covenant should NOT be on the Approved Reading List for another decade or so.

    I have read quite a few of the books that Orson recommends -- my local library usually has several of them in stock at one branch or another -- and I have yet to be disappointed.

    Here is an index of his reviews:

    http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/index.shtml

    Book reviews are scattered throughout, but the titles of the reviews usually mention movies. Here is one that has two children's book reviews:

    http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2004-06-27.shtml

    Scroll down or search for "Midnight Magic" and then just below that you'll find "Sword of the Rightful King."

    Good luck with helping your kids keep reading.

  444. Science fiction? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    No science fiction fan can possibly miss out on Isaac Asimov, or Arthur C. Clark. Both men are rather dated, or even antiquated, now. But, both of those men were real scientists, who wrote stories around their best understanding of science, at the time they wrote the stories. Further, both men wrote stories that reflected Sci-Fi's core theme: "What if........?" Sci-fi isn't just entertainment. In fact, the action movies and television shows that everyone refers to as "sci-fi" are simply garbage. Sci-fi is entertaining, while educational. Sci-fi expands the mind, without relying on illegal chemicals. Asimov and Clark remain the giants in Science Fiction, and they probably will remain so for some time to come. ANYTHING with their names on it is good reading.

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  445. Everything Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jules Verne was one of the biggest SciFi writers ever.

    And you can get most of his books for free from the Gutenberg project.

  446. Peter David... by irving47 · · Score: 1

    If they like Star Trek (a lot)
    I'd say that anything by Peter David is a pretty safe bet. Great sense of humor, interesting stories...

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  447. Deathworld by TechBCEternity · · Score: 1

    I remember reading Harry Harrison - Death World 2 in grade 6 and I really loved it.

    I read the whole trilogy a couple years ago and it's classic scifi but fast enough to keep the attention of a younger reader.

    The second book is about a guy who crash lands on a planet with lots of tribes with different proprietary technologies that he then hacks to improve and use for different things in order to escape.

  448. Some underappreciated classics: by Chrontius · · Score: 1

    Make Way for Dragons! by Thorarinn Gunnarsson is great. There's simply no other way to describe this as - other than to say that a 5-star rating doesn't quite do it justice. It's definitely more fantasy than sci-fi, but it was one of my favorite reads, ever. The rest of the series, Human, Beware! and Dragons on the Town are also both excellent. The prequel, Dragons' Domain is honestly a bit dark, but it's the sort of pyrrhic ending... I'll not spoil it. These are simply excellently written and I can't recommend them highly enough.

  449. Jabberwocky by bigtreeman · · Score: 1

    Jabberwocky was a favourite bedtime story for my kids.

    By Lewis Carroll. (from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There , 1872)

    Sometimes used to teach about the use of portmanteau and nonsense words in poetry.

    The language influence could help them become ??? programmers, who knows.

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  450. Pre-teens, meaning 12 and younger? by BearRanger · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's hard to remember back that far, but the stuff I had in my elementary school library included things like the "Tom Swift Jr." series, about a young scientist/engineer. They were sort of in the vein of "The Hardy Boys" or the "Jonny Quest" cartoons but focused on some pretty far-fetched scientific concepts. I really enjoyed them though and must have read 40+ different editions. Like "The Hardy Boys" they were thoroughly formulaic but still good harmless fun for 9 - 12 year olds.

    Also, the "Danny Dunn" series was pretty fun. It was more juvenile than the "Tom Swift" stories but had a better scientific foundation. One thing that stood out in these were the inclusion of a girl as a principle character, and adults who weren't shown as being totally stupid-- a failure of a lot of kid's books.

    Fantasy wise, I read Anne McCaffery's "Dragonriders of Pern" short stories when I was about 11. I think the short stories preceded the first novel ("Dragonflight") but I could be wrong about that.

    I also spent a lot of time reading comics. There were some great stories back then, but many comics today aren't as innocent as those 70's stories were. Or as subversive, as I think the old "Green Lantern/Green Arrow" comics subtly shaped some of my political views. Some comics could provide a nice break if you decide to let them read some of the more serious works others have suggested.

    Happy hunting, and good on you for encouraging your kids to read a wide range of things.

    1. Re:Pre-teens, meaning 12 and younger? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Tom Swift Jr. (and, as I got older, the "real" Tom Swift books) were great, though I only had a couple of them

      What Dragonriders shorts are you referring to? The Harper Hall trilogy is relatively short (and eminently suitable for kids, aside from the fact that it assumes a deal of knowledge that's only in the other books) but still a trilogy of standalone novels.

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  451. Ideal pre-teen author by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

    I started reading Nicholas Fisk at around the age of 9 or 10 and it was ideal for my age bracket at that time (Trillions was a great one, think of the movie 'Batteries Not Included' and combine it with some ultra basic nano-tech concepts). Piers Anthony had some great stuff in the Xanth series, but tread carefully there as some of his other works (Bio of a Space tyrant for example) were DEFINITELY a little full on for a youngster. The space-pirate rape/marriage scene as one example and the theme of rape/murder being extremely common. Not so good for pre-teen, but great for a 15-16yo with an enquiring mind and a thirst for shock value writing.

  452. Some that I haven't seen mentioned... by joelleo · · Score: 1

    but got me through some rough patches in intermediate & high school:

    Memory, Sorrow & Thorn (Tad Williams)
    Darwath Trilogy (Barbara Hambly)
    Hammer's Slammers (David Drake)
    Thieves' World (various, edited by Robert Lynn Asprin)
    Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever (Stephan R. Donaldson - both the author and protagonist have been mentioned but not the series)

    Already mentioned but deserve more:

    Guardians of the Flame (Joel Rosenberg)
    Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit (Tolkien)
    Anything by Heinlein
    Dragonsbane (Hambly)
    Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy (Adams)
    The Belgariad (Eddings)

    mmmm I should read some of these again...

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  453. Start Easy by Blackhalo · · Score: 1

    A lot of the titles here are great Sci-Fi but not as accessible as real "made for kids" stuff that contain science that is easily transitional to the titles mentioned.

    The stuff that got me started down the Sci-Fi path:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Dunn/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Looney/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Investigators/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_Brown/


    Then of course The Hobbit, and Asimov and Niven's short stories. After that any youngster would be hooked and need a 12 step to quit the habit.

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  454. Analog magazine by Cruciform · · Score: 1

    When I started Junior High I discovered copies of Analog magazine in the library. I read every one they had, then asked my parents for a two year subscription.
    Lots of great Sci-Fi, plus one factual article every month. It introduced me to some great authors that I might otherwise never have heard of.
    And you can find old copies in used book stores dirt cheap. That way the kids can find a variety of authors they like without having to buy full books up front.

  455. A very good series for pre teens by tklundy · · Score: 1

    A very good series for preteens is The Tripod Trilogy by John Christofer. It should be available at any medium sized library. I read this in 4th or 5th grade and it started a 30 year love affair with scifi.

  456. E.E. 'Doc' Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're a bit long in the tooth now, but the Lensman novels by E.E. 'Doc' Smith were absolutely fantastic. I also really enjoyed Ivan Southall's Simon Black novels.

  457. Eoin Colfer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just said pre-teen so I'm not sure what age your kids are exactly, but any of the Eoin Colfer books are a good read for kids. these are aimed squarely at kids though and are not in any way serious fantasy or sci-fi.

  458. Darkness and politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    don't worry to much about the darkness and politics, the beauty is that we don't start picking that stuff up till later in life. We read and enjoy the story when we are younger.

  459. Zahn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I strongly recommend Timothy Zahn, and I'm mostly not talking about his Star Wars novels. The Conquerors trilogy is an excellent set of novels and he has quite a few standalone books too, notably The Icarus Hunt and Manta's Gift. There's also a series aimed at younger readers that starts with Dragon and Thief, I believe. Zahn has the ability to flesh out an incredibly detailed universe, complete with rules, tech and alien races, very quickly. His writing is also fairly chaste if you care about sort of thing.

    McCaffrey is also great on the more fantasy end of things, though I would stay away from the later stuff which her son wrote. He sort of messes up the rules of her universe, for one thing.

  460. What about the Lensman series? by jmaccelari · · Score: 1

    My Dad had the whole series of the books and I devoured them as a youngster. Evil aliens, lots of technology, heroic heroes... the lot... The author was E.E. 'Doc' Smith. I don't know if they're still in print.

  461. The books mean nothing by jlb24601 · · Score: 1

    In truth every book suggested here could work -- as long as you have already read it, or read it along with your kids. What's most important is the discussion you have about the stories: did you like it, did it resonate with you, scare you, make you question what life is like today? Putting things into context also matters. By itself Starship Troopers is a fun story. As a criticism against the structure of the US military during the Vietnam war it takes on a whole different light.

  462. Playboy, Hustler, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty Sci-Fi for a pre-teen and for many people reading /.

  463. my memories by xalorous · · Score: 1

    I guess I started with a book by Ben Bova about a generation ship where all the adults died and the kids continued on. Kind of like Lord of the Flies in space. Can't remember the name of the book.

    That summer at the library definitely changed my life. After Bova I read Heinlein's _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_. And then everything I could find by Heinlein.

    Read Dune at about age 11, after devouring all the Heinlein and the other SF books in my mom's library. Paul is about that age, and the depictions of violence are very mild by comparison to modern adult SF.

    Then I read the Foundation trilogy.

    Then Tolkein.

    Personally, I think you should let them read anything they want. If it is something you haven't read, read it first, just in case. If the book has adult themes, insist they discuss these themes with you. (Excellent excuse for a non-confrontational parenting session.)

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  464. Little Brother by Chuk · · Score: 1

    Cory Doctorow's Little Brother is great stuff -- just barely SF, though, all stuff that could happen tomorrow. Reads like 1984 in the modern US with a techie teen protagonist.

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  465. Another entry: Flatland: by Rouverius · · Score: 1

    Although just a novella, "Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions" by Edwin A. Abbott is quite interesting. Exploring a 2D world from the perspective of one of its inhabitants and a visiting sphere who provides an outside view on the society. It has been said that Abbott was actually uses the novella as a vehicle to make commentary on Victorian society. But it any case, a very interesting concept story.

  466. Jack Vance ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just loved Tschai the first time I put my hands on it, I was maybe 14 and read the 3 books in a row, it was great !

    And the Kirth Gersen novels are great too (I don't know the title in english, I read it in french)

    Anne McCaffrey, Lois McMaster Bujold, Marion Zimmer Bradley (maybe not for teenagers?), Mercedes Lackey (Valdemar is a great world)

    Great writers, still read them from time to time

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  467. Don't write off Heinlein so soon by popsicle67 · · Score: 1

    There is always Hole in the Sky or The Door Into Summer or The Rolling Stones and anything in the Xanth series will make a reader for life.

    1. Re:Don't write off Heinlein so soon by estarriol · · Score: 1

      I'd choose Tunnel in the Sky as the best introductory Heinlein for a teen/pre-teen, personally.

    2. Re:Don't write off Heinlein so soon by WebGangsta · · Score: 1

      Heinlein's WALDO / MAGIC INC are good introductions to his work as well. I like GLORY ROAD, but I recall there may be a scene or two that are mildly inappropriate for a younger set.

      Regardless, any of his "pulp fiction" early works should be fine... plus, it allows the reader to read the Future History storylines in order without realizing it so when the reader graduates to Time Enough For Love etc etc, everything should magically fall into place on the big global plotline.

  468. Yeah, early Heinlein is what I remember by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    My favourite was "Have Space Suit, Will Travel"

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    1. Re:Yeah, early Heinlein is what I remember by pbdavidson · · Score: 1

      This was my first Heinlein- followed immediately by Space Cadet. Both are considered 'youth novels'- and I've started my 8 year old on Space Cadet as a result. It's a slow read for him- but he's enjoying every minute of it.

    2. Re:Yeah, early Heinlein is what I remember by bob_herrick · · Score: 1

      I second this nomination, along with most of the early Heinlein. Hard to go wrong there.

      I would add:

      L. Beam Piper's "Little Fuzzy" and a couple of his other books as well. Fuzzy is a very nice story about recognizing intelligence in non-obvious places.
      John Varley's Titan series (warning, there is some sex stuff going on there, so probably not a pre-teen selection, but should be ok for 15+), which, like a lot of Varley, has a pretty strong female protagonist.
      Bester's "The Stars My Destination" - It is on almost ever list of classics, and deservedly so.
      Sturgeon's "The Dreaming Jewels" aka "The Synthetic Man". Coming of age in a carnival.
      And for those with a sense of the absurd -
      Alexi Panshin's Star Well series, three of the funniest science fiction books I can recall reading.

    3. Re:Yeah, early Heinlein is what I remember by Hegh · · Score: 1

      I *love* John Varley's Titan series, I've read them three times. I think I was about 13 or 14 the first time, but like the parent said, there is "some sex stuff".

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  469. Good books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tom Swift
    Tripods Trilogy

  470. Eddings and Goodkind by Edward+Teach · · Score: 1

    David Eddings - See a list HERE. Great books, although the Dreamer series was a bit on the soft side. Regina's song is more of a suspense/horror story and The Redemption of Althalus is a pretty good read. Both of those are stand-alone books. The Belgariad and the Mallorean are both 5 books each. If they liked Harry Potter, they are going to love The Belgariad/Mallorean series. A young boy finds out he is a very powerful sorcerer. Battles Gods, etc. The character Silk and Belgarath's interactions are priceless.

    Terry Goodkind - Start with Wizard's First Rule and then go from there. That one will take them a while as the books and the series are huge. Same kind of theme but more adult. Young man finds out he is a very special kind of wizard. The book has some VERY brutal and sexual imagery though so you might want to read it first.

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  471. Give them what you read by spineboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Chances are they'll like it too. I was 13 when I read LOTR, and Dune. When I was 11-12 I "discovered" Asimov, Heinlein, Niven, Bradburyand other grandmasters, as well as the Star Trek novels. Those guys are famous for a reason.

    Might want to try some collections of short stories, and see what they like. You might already have it in your collection. My library, at the time, had YA stickers on books (young adult), and I remember cruising around the library, looking for those stickers for a few years.

    I also used to read the first page in a book, and some other random page just to see if I liked it, or the style. Try that with them.

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    1. Re:Give them what you read by habbi · · Score: 0

      LOTR???

      Can you please tell us where the 'science' part is?

      It's fiction, ok, but to me it seems more like religion / mythology than Science Fiction.

      Cheers!

    2. Re:Give them what you read by sdpuppy · · Score: 1
      Robert Sheckley's short stories.

      Pre-teen through adults can appreciate his stories - his satirical and funny stories are easy to understand, clean, fun and make you want to think

  472. Some I enjoyed a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These will tend more towards Fantasy than Sci-Fi.

    Easy Reading level: (Just guessing... it's been years)
    The Lloyd Alexander Prydain series:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicles_of_Prydain

    The Robert Asprin Myth books. (Mything Persons et al).

    Medium reading level:
    Of course, Conan books by Robert E. Howard, Carter and DeCamp.

    The Shannara Books by Terry Brooks (Sword of Shannara et al).

    David Eddings series. He has several... the Belgariad comes to mind.

    Harder (by pre-teen standards) reading level:
    Both Chronicles of Thomas Covenant by Stephan R. Donaldson.

    Finally, I hate to say it because they are canned pulp D&D novels, but I remember really enjoying some of the Dragonlance books, particularly the Chronicles and the Legends books by Margret Weis and Tracy Hickman.

    Hope that helps and that they are still in print.
      -W

  473. Recs by Invidious · · Score: 1

    Well, for one thing, I think kids like dark -- and won't be harmed by it -- contrary to most parent's expectations. I cut my teeth on Bradbury, and if "Pillar of Fire" isn't dark, I don't know what is. Yet, it is fascinating and beautiful, like most of Bradbury's short stories. IN fact, I highly recommend those.

    A lot of Heinlein does work -- anything that he wrote for the YA crowd, like "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" work. I think Starship Troopers would be a good read, too, but not a lot of his more mature work, quite yet.

    Many of Asimov's short stories are great, but forget his novels.

    Anything by Terry Pratchett is great, and pretty much safe for teens, though "The Colour of Magic" and "The Light Fantastic" aren't really that great, so I wouldn't start with those.

    The Dresden Files series by Jim Butcher deals with mature subjects, but stays pretty PG-13.

    Alan Dean Foster has a great range of suitable books.

    And, of course, there're the classic sci-fi authors: Clarke, Card, Cherryh, Niven & Pournelle (the stuff they write on their own kinda sucks, generally,) Frederic Pohl, LeGuinne, etc.

    Personally, I recommend getting them started and then letting them read what they want. For the most part, what is considered truly age-appropriate kinda sucks, though there are a lot of gems. What's important is to get them to think about what they're reading.

  474. another H. G. Wells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I highly recommend "The Invisible Man." It's not only science fiction, but also an exploration on the edge of human sanity: the long-term effects of altered states.

  475. Vernor Vinge by chrisvigil · · Score: 1
    If their reading skills are up to it I'd highly recommend "A Deepness in the Sky" and "A Fire Upon the Deep" by Vernor Vinge.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fire_Upon_the_Deep
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Deepness_in_the_Sky

  476. Keith Laumer and Clifford Simak by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 1

    Both great authors. Laumer has some great stuff and some hugely funny stuff in his Retief series. Simak writes some great stuff, including "Way Station" which I haven't read in ages but I still can remember the mystery and intrigue of the plot.

  477. Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by Warg!+The+Orcs!! · · Score: 1

    My way into SF (outside superheroes that is) was through Clarke's 'Islands In The Sky'. It's a very accessible book I read around age 11. That span off into other Clarke books and by age 15 I'd read most of the Golden Age giants - Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein, Silverberg, Aldiss... Less 'hardcore' kids SF would be the numerous (100+) Doctor Who books out there - lots of fun, no sex, minimal violence, classic bad guys and a happy ending with every (short) read. I read seven 150 page Doctor Who books in one day during the summer holidays once. Bliss.

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    1. Re:Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by kristinester · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I'm not entirely certain as to what "pre-teen" is. 9-12? But when I was around that age I wasn't really reading books for my age group. Well, except for Sweet Valley High, but it was a guilty pleasure.

      If they display an interest in something, let them read it. Regardless of whether it's too advanced for them. Yes, certain themes may be a bit mature (i.e. A Clockwork Orange, American Psycho), but so long as there is no graphic violence, torture, or rape there shouldn't be an issue. Books with political messages should be fine as well, if they catch the references, it can spark an interesting conversation. It's always good when kids think and ask questions.

      As far as sci-fi goes specifically, I've always been more of a fantasy chick myself. Loved Dragonlance, it's total fluff but still fun. They even have children's versions of the first trilogy now, although I'm not sure how much easier to read they can make it. It's not exactly difficult reading material to begin with.

      Oh! William Gibson. I read Mona Lisa Overdrive, Count Zero, and Neuromancer when I was about 12 and loved it, then explored his other novels. Good stuff. Orson Scott Card is great as well.

      http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/topscifi/lists_books_rank1.html Top 100 Sci-Fi books.

      Hell, if they're ambitious throw a copy of Cryptonomicon at them and see what happens. If they don't like it, read it yourself, great book. And it's ridiculously long, perfect for road trips or long plane rides.

      Doctor Who is great sci-fi. I haven't picked up any of the books yet, but now that I have a two years or so until the next series I may start reading the novels until I can get my fix. ;)

      All else fails, toss them in the sci-fi section of the library and tell them to look around and read. I suppose it all depends on how much they enjoy reading. Some kids just aren't into it. I was very happy on summer vacations when my parents dumped me at the library.

    2. Re:Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Snap ! Islands In The Sky probably wasn't the first Sci Fi book I read but it must have been one of the first when I was 8 or 9 or something.

      I think the sci-fi books I enjoyed most around 11 - 12 were The Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison.

      Not at all Sci Fi but you absolutely can't go wrong with the Swallows & Amazons series by Arthur Ransome, the setting may be ancient history now but the books are probably the best books I ever read as a kid.

    3. Re:Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      Yes, certain themes may be a bit mature (i.e. A Clockwork Orange, American Psycho)

      Having read American Psycho as an adult, I definitely wouldn't recommend that book for anyone below 16. Only book I recall making me sick to my stomach, and I read a *lot*.

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    4. Re:Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Funny

      throw a copy of Cryptonomicon at them

      Just make sure you use the paperback version. Otherwise, you might:

      a) hurt the kid.
      b) hurt your arm.

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    5. Re:Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by grolaw · · Score: 1

      Arthur C. Clarke is great - Tales from the White Heart would be a wonderful start for kids.

    6. Re:Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      All else fails, toss them in the sci-fi section of the library

      I hope you're not in the UK, we have laws against that sort of thing.

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  478. Dream Park by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    This a small sampling from among my very favorites of all time. Depending on the reading level of your boys, I would recommend:

    Dream Park and its sequel (I forget the name) by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It is a "near future" setting, the plot involving a live role-playing game in an amusement park, based on a 20th-Century real-world mythology. This book got me seriously researching the Papua New Guinea "Cargo Cult" in my University library. The plot also includes a murder mystery, to add to the drama. Excellent work, and suitable for younger readers as long as they can handle some descriptions of physical combat / pretend magical themes.

    His Dark Materials by Phillip Pullman (the first of this trilogy is The Golden Compass, a recent movie). The movie tries valiantly to overcome two major difficulties: it is only one-third of an involved mystery, so the "end" of the movie leaves us distinctly unsatisfied. Second, it is, after all, a movie made from a book. The trilogy is FAR better than the first movie by itself would imply. (Note: contrary to what has often been reported, this series is not about "killing God", nor is it particularly anti-religious. The being they are fighting is clearly described as a powerful pretender, and it is stated in so many words that it is not "God". However, it must be admitted that the plot carries a strong message against authoritarian Churches, which is a completely different matter.)

    The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, and its sequel (which is not quite as good). IMHO, next to Dream Park this is their next best set of books. Among other things, it deals with the idea of: what would / should we do if we ran into an alien race that was actually (in some ways) more intelligent and more physically evolved than ourselves, as well as vigorous and competitive? Should we do the "moral" thing and use the Golden Rule? Should we take advantage of circumstances and destroy them? There are other themes as well... these are long, deep and rich novels. (I would like to point out that it is naturally difficult for an author to convincingly portray beings that might be of higher intelligence than ourselves. Niven and Pournelle manage to pull it off somehow.)

    Earth, by David Brin. I can't say enough about this one. I do not agree with all of Brin's politics but I highly recommend this novel to anyone. I also enjoyed his "Uplift" series, which is apparently unfinished as of yet.

    A Fire Upon The Deep by Vernor Vinge. A very unique idea made into a very good novel: the galaxy turns out to be divided into "zones of thought", which are roughly defined by the relative density of mass. Therefore, the center of the galaxy (where presumably there is a giant black hole or at least lots of closely-packed, dense matter) is known as "the Unthinking Depths", in which thought is slow if possible at all, while the outer fringes are "the Beyond", where faster-than-light travel, computers that are more intelligent than humans, and beings known to the races further down as "gods" reside. The story of course involves humans and other races that occupy the regions between, and who have to deal with both. Outstanding. A central theme: do you really have free will, or are you just a tool of higher power(s)? Vinge, by the way, is the original inventor of the "cyberspace" concept. His story True Names was published well before William Gibson was in print with similar ideas.

    Hard Science Fiction:

    The Rocheworld series, and anything else by the late Robert L. Forward, renowned physicist. These are actually fairly easy reading and can stimulate inquisitive thinking about science. Also recommended are his Dragon's Egg series (which he described as "neutron star physics disguised as a novel"), and I loved Camelot 30K. His science is real and his novels are, well... novel. But very entertaining. Flight of the Dragonfly, the first of the Rocheworld

  479. Don;'t limit yourself to science fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.allreaders.com/Topics/info_14268.asp?BSID=1409956

    20 years later I still remember this book, I read it when I was 8, it started a lifelong love of reading.

  480. Star Trek TOS anthologies by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    You probably grew up watching the series, but the short stories of the episodes put together by James Blish might be perfect for road-trip reads, you know, no chance of leaving one of the kids in a rest stop restroom because they've committed to a heavy LOTR-type epic. Might disagree about going with JRR for a road trip though. The style he uses...

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  481. Dammit, I should know this one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shade's Children by Garth Nix
    The Declaration by Gemma Malley
    Uglies by Scott Westerfeld (there's also the rest of the series: Pretties, Specials, and Extras)
    Peeps by Scott Westerfeld
    Hover Car Racer by Matthew Reilly

    Some good modern childrens sci-fi and fantasy. I work in the childrens section of a bookshop >.>

  482. The Ear, The Eye and The Arm by roguenine19 · · Score: 1

    One of the books that got fueled my love of scifi when I was a kid was the Ear, the Eye and the Arm, by Nancy Farmer. It's not exactly hard scifi, but it manages to pull off a cyberpunk-ish detective story without being too dark or cynical. I think I read it when I was 10, too, so it's definitely aimed at the right age group.

    It was also a runner-up for the Newberry Award, which is given to writers of long fiction for preteens. You might check the list of winners: I know there's some good scifi on there, like The Giver.

  483. Four Sacred Pillars of Swords and Sorcery! by Tee-See-Pee-I-Pee · · Score: 1

    I recommend the Four Pillars of Swords and Sorcery, in the order in which they were written -- Robert E. Howard's Conan stories (NOT the pastiches); Fritz Lieber's Nehwon/Fafhrd & the Grey Mouser; Jack Vance's Dying Earth series (they'll need a dictionary too, for his opulent vocabulary), and Michael Moorcock's Elric saga (also, "The Eternal Champion, The Silver Warriors, and The Dragon in the Sword are also excellent). Swords and Sorcery pre-dates so-called "heroic fantasy" by a good 20 years. Swords and Sorcery is un-encumbered by simplistic black-and-white morality and squeaky-clean heroes. The protagonists of Swords and Sorcery are anti-heroes. While they may do good, it is incidental, in the course of demanding a say in their own fates. There is more nobility and humanity in Elric's ultimately futile struggle to remain free of the powers which would manipulate him than in all of the suffering endured by Frodo in Lord of the Rings.

    1. Re:Four Sacred Pillars of Swords and Sorcery! by yukk · · Score: 1

      I'm glad someone else remembers this stuff. I was despairing of anyone mentioning Moorcock and Lieber's Nehwon stuff was some of my favourite stuff as a kid. Vance too. I've been collecting the old editions of Moorcock stuff again lately and I'm definitely going to re-read the Fafhrd & the Grey Mouser stuff. I feel saddened that I had to search through 9/10 of the comments before finding anyone who remembered this stuff. I second the recommendation of all the stuff you mentioned.

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  484. I know, meant 'To cynical?' by CranberryKing · · Score: 1

    right?

    1. Re:I know, meant 'To cynical?' by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      In case you're not being sarcastic (I know that there are non-native English speakers here), I'll tell you. You had it right, "too" is the correct word.

  485. Michael Ende - The Neverending Story by eldar40k · · Score: 1

    I think it is ideal for their age - I loved it at that time (and even now).

  486. Tom Swift Jr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hugely enjoyed the series of Tom Swift Jr stories when I was about 11. They are more science than sci-fi, being about a young inventor who makes an atomic-powered VTOL plane, a submarine, etc. They might be a little dated now (would need to re-read to check). See:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Swift,_Jr.

    Note that there are also a much older sequence featuring Tom Swift (sr). And a really cheesy space-opera style series of "Tom Swift" books that are only loosely related to the Tom Swift Jr. series ("third Tom Swift series"). See:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Swift

    (Man, it's amazing what is on Wikipedia!)

    Oh, and of course the "Mad Scientists Club" books:
        http://www.madscientistsclub.com/

    I would also suggest finding copies of the old sci-fi magazines (amazing stories, etc). The short stories in there are sometimes just incredibly good. And there is always at least one story that appeals to every reader.

  487. Dragonfall 5 series by Brian Earnshaw by evilandi · · Score: 1

    The books that turned me on to sci-fi, as a pre-teen, were the "Dragonfall 5" series by Brian Earnshaw.

    There are five books in the series (all titled "Dragonfall 5 and the..."). They tell the tale of a family who live onboard a small spaceship (named Dragonfall 5), which visits various planets where the family has adventures. One of the most memorable stories concerned a civil war in an Orwellian society of intelligent rabbits.

    They're definitely aimed at children and are available (mostly second-hand, sadly) from Amazon.

    --
    Andrew Oakley - www.aoakley.com
  488. Library card and free run of the library by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

    I'd pretty much read anything including a lot of Heinlein when I was a kid. I'd rather a kid be interested in reading than about a million other things.
    If you want to avoid some harsher titles, avoid Hubbard's Mission Earth series. Kids will avoid the Dianetics and Scientology stuff on their own.

  489. Promoting Juvenile delinquency by felixrising · · Score: 1

    Forget Arthur C Clarke or Asimov!

    No child is complete without some cool intergalactic-special-agent-sci-fi goodness.

    The Stainless Steel Rat by Harry Harrison should be in every child's secret library.

  490. Eleanor Cameron Great SciFi Adventure/Fantasy by Flying+Shamrock · · Score: 1

    My all time favorite book from my early gradeschool years, around 5th grade, in the 1970's and still a classic for today are the SciFi books Eleanor wrote for her son. The several book series (some no longer in print) is about a mushroom planet only visible with a special lense. Two boys respond to an add in the paper to build a space ship and suprisingly find themselves visiting this planet. The first book of this collection and still in print is: "The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet" The second book is still in print also: "Stowaway to Mushroom Planet". Another favorate of mine is "Stowaway to the moon; The Camelot Odyssey" by William Roy Shelton. A young boy gets on baord a NASA flight to the Moon and encounters all the difficulties of space and risk of space flight along with the crew. The idea of a kid sneaking aboard a NASA flight to the moon seems ridiculous on its face, but Shelton really delivers a credible story here. From beginning to end. Kids will love it and adults will appreciate the authenticity.

  491. Critical question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Question here is, are they the annoying glitter everywhere type or the annoying "oh, at 11 I'm THE MAN" type?

  492. Madeleine L'Engle - Wrinkle in Time series by annarchy · · Score: 1

    I'd recommend the Wrinkle in Time series by Madeleine L'Engle.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wrinkle_in_Time

    Sorry if it's already brought up, I did not see it.

  493. Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by try_anything · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where did we get the idea that pre-teens can't be exposed to sex in any way? It's a good idea to read books before recommending them to your children to make sure the presentation of sex isn't sinister in any way, but the mere presence of sex shouldn't disqualify a book.

    I see several posts on this page where people rule out any sex whatsoever, but nothing at all lamenting the fact that most classic sci-fi is absurdly sexist. Usually naively and unintentionally sexist, perhaps, and only occasionally misogynistic, but not suitable to be the bulk of your kid's literary diet.

    In fact, the best reason for tolerating a little sex is that most of the non-chauvinistic sci-fi does contain sex. Plus, it is a good idea for kids to be self-consciously, abstractly wondering about sex before they encounter their own urges in a concrete form. They aren't going to take their ideas from you, their parents, and the alternatives are books, movies, TV, and peers. Obviously, good books and a few movies are your best hope if you want your kids to take a thoughtful, critical approach.

    I don't know ANYTHING about pre-teens except what I know from being one, but I know I read several books about sex as a pre-teen and was alternately amused and horrified by the unreflective, superstitious, fetishistic approach to sex that my peers took to sex. Whatever they heard from anyone between their age and twenty-one, they took as gospel truth. Whatever they knew at a given time was assumed to be pretty close to the whole truth. Good science fiction is a wonderful inoculation against those attitudes. (Unfortunately, it seems that most science fiction is optimized to sell to people who would rather fantasize about sex than think about it, but you just have to find the exceptions.)

    Here are a few books that might be suitable for preteens.

    Island , by Aldous Huxley. I actually read this as a pre-teen. The main thing I took away from it is that sex and love present some thorny problems, and different people have come up with many very different ways of coping with them. It influenced me to approach sex with a combination of compassion, love, and pragmatism, in that order. I learned to keep that attitude to myself in the macho culture I grew up in, and gave up on it altogether by the time I went to college, but eventually my adult experiences with sex brought me right back to where Aldous Huxley started me out. This is a no-brainer choice to give to freethinking kids. It does advocate judicious use of hallucinogens for spiritual purposes, but I read and admired it as a preteen and was never tempted to test that particular idea. (Twenty years later, I still haven't.)

    Fledgling , by Octavia Butler. Perhaps this one should be saved for older teens. I really don't know what to say about this book except that it made me think. I'm normally a pretty quick reader, but I kept putting this one down just so I could think for a while. (I know, I'm supposed to do that with every book. So I'm a philistine; sue me.) The takeaway lesson from this book is that people have to be very ethically careful about relations of power and dependency.

    Stranger in a Strange Land , by Robert Heinlein. The older I get the more I realize that Heinlein was a pompous dick who loved to put ridiculous ideas over on people, take undeserved adulation from naive people (like my teenage self,) and then defend himself against the critics by saying he was just "throwing things out there" or "seeing who would take him seriously." So I would definitely rer

    1. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by szquirrel · · Score: 1

      Excellent points all, though I would say you missed one:

      The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula LeGuin. It raises important, fundamental questions about sexual identity and why we think about sex the way we do. I imagine it could provide an excellent, non-scary opening for kids to talk to parents about what is usually a very awkward and difficult subject.

      Of course, I'm talking out of my ass because I didn't read the book until I was an adult with a well-established sexual identity. But hey, my first child is due in about two weeks. I'll get back to you in twelve years or so and let you know how it went.

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    2. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is a no-brainer choice to give to freethinking kids. It does advocate judicious use of hallucinogens for spiritual purposes, but I read and admired it as a preteen and was never tempted to test that particular idea. (Twenty years later, I still haven't.)

      You're missing out. Take some mushrooms with someone you love.

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    3. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by story645 · · Score: 1

      I read Left Hand of Darkness when I was about 13 and found it really dense. It's more of a philosophical tract then an actual story, so it may not be so appealing to kids just because nothing really happens, and when stuff does happens it can be incredibly confusing.

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    4. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But....

      sex is evil...

      Kids are as pure as the driven snow....

      and...

      and....

      but....

      and...

      but....

      *society implodes*

    5. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      If you want something that will actually get them thinking about science, but fluffy enough for pre-teens, I'd recommend A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle. Does a great job of introducing the concepts of multidimensional space to kids.

      Heh... if you want something that is "sexy" in the same vein, The Sex Sphere by Rudy Rucker sure blew my mind when I was a kid. Having seen the latest Futurama movie, I'm betting Matt Groening was a fan as well...

      --
      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    6. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      Reading LeGuin would be a good way to put anyone off sci-fi forever.

    7. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by grolaw · · Score: 1

      How long do you want to turn your kids off on sex? If they are reading while you drive - somebody's going to ask questions.

      I well remember running across a book about Richard Speck in a department store and shouting across the store to my mother (the physician), "What's Rape?"

      If interesting conversations about sex while driving is your thing -

    8. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by rootooftheworld · · Score: 1

      or some extasy (MDMA) with NO sythase inhibitor to counter neurotoxicity. its a stimulant, psychedelic, and empathogen (loved-up feeling). really rocks. i think methylen blue has NO synthase inhibiting effects.

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      I know full well that tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack
    9. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by rootooftheworld · · Score: 1

      or extasy. its both a love drug and psychdelic AND a stimulant. talk about good value. BTW methylen blue takes care of neurotoxicity.

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      I know full well that tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack
  494. Why's political such a bad thing? by fool2046 · · Score: 1

    From what I can tell I don't think Starship Troopers had any real negative effect on any of us in here (I might even suggest that questioning your personal ethics and politics should start quite young), I would certainly hand it to any teenager that was interested in Sci-fi. Other than that most of what I would put here are repeats of earlier choices:

    "Ender's Game" is great, dark, but great.
    "Pastwatch" is really good too.
    "Snow Crash" and the "Diamond Age" (as with the two above) are rewarding in different ways each time you read them, you take different things, so I would recommend them as soon as possible.

    Anything by Keith Laumer, Walter Jon Williams is fun and covers a lot of ground. Eric Frank Russell had some great ones including the brilliant "Wasp" (also anyone that enjoyed the McCaffrey's Rowan series should read "Sentinel's from Space"), Gordon R Dickson's Dorsai series, and though I am loath to admit it here, the original 2 Warhammer 40k books Inquisitor and Deathwing I remember enjoying a lot.

    All I would say is that I don't think you could go wrong with short stories by any reputable author, they rarely have time to be too dark, so are a good introduction to more adult themes without throwing them in at the deep end.

    I'll shut up now as I could really go on forever.

  495. Some that haven't been mentioned yet... by wildwinter · · Score: 1

    Anything by Susan Cooper, particularly the 5-book Dark is Rising sequence. (Ignore the terrible, terrible film by the same name - it bears no relation, despite being 'based' on the book.) John Christopher's The Tripods. The Cats of Seroster by Robert Westall.

  496. Nicholas Fisk by UberMunchkin · · Score: 1

    Nicholas Fisk wrote a series of books years ago called Starstormers. They would be awesome for kids, I remember I loved them. I'd also throw in another vote for Anne McAffry, she's great.

  497. early Stanislaw Lem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would recommend early Stanislaws Lem books. Kids should like them, if they're not obligaroty (in poland you must read some of these and they teach you to love them during education)

  498. Stainless Steel Rat by harleythunder · · Score: 1

    I would suggest IMHO trying something like Harry Harrison's, The Stainless Steel Rat. Got me hooked with his sense of humor. When I read the pre-text... "I can steal anything, anytime, anywhere, regardless if the guards are Human, Electronic, or Other. I was so good that by the time the space cops finally caught up with me, there was only one thing they could do. They made me a cop!" No F-bombs or needless: Brown chicken brown cow (say it out loud with that 70's funk)! Kept me interested since I was a wee lad!

  499. Juvenille Sci-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For something old/classic... definately Ray Bradbury. He has a wealth of terrific juvenille sci-fi. For something new... although the Artemis Fowl series is as much or more fantasy than sci-fi, and it is dark, I still highly recommend it. It contains some amazing ideas on how the worlds of magic and science colide, and the path that Artemis takes from dark to light is very compelling. It is my suggestion that you read them before they do or with them. That way you can discuss any mature issues they may have questions about. After all, space is a harsh mistress. Most tales worth telling involve some element of danger and darkness.

    In addition, why not make your own! Hold a production meeting with them. Find some compelling topics and stories from talking to your kids about it. Then write a story, and have them draw it, or make costumes/sets and photograph the story. You could even use lulu.com or a similar site to make a full color comic or hardcover book for around $20 privately or to sell.

    1. Re:Juvenille Sci-Fi by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

      For something new... although the Artemis Fowl series is as much or more fantasy than sci-fi, and it is dark, I still highly recommend it. It contains some amazing ideas on how the worlds of magic and science colide, and the path that Artemis takes from dark to light is very compelling.

      I second that. And, while the books might be dark sometimes, they've also given me some of the best laughs _ever_. Sushi, deep fryer ... 'nuff said.

  500. Books by ZwJGR · · Score: 1

    Sci-fi series that I always liked (and still do), are the Dunes, all of Douglas Adam's stuff, and much of what Tom Holt wrote (although it is part fantasy/parody/comedy).
    More generally, the works of Raymond E. Feist and Janny Wurts are excellent (they are more fantasy genre).
    The doctor who and star trek novels seem to be aimed at/suitable for early/pre-teen age groups AFAICT.
    I think that kids should read classics like George Orwell, and Joseph Heller's Catch-22 as well, but that's just my opinion...

    In general kids these days do not seem to be reading much, due to the increasing dominance of TV/cinema/internet...
    TV in particular is full of crap, and if you don't watch it (except for specific things worth watching), you'll be better off. Just watching any old crap TV is just a waste of your time and brainpower. These days all of my "TV" comes off the internet in torrent form.
    But in general, you can read almost anything, and you will gain something from it, the same can't honestly be said for most other forms of media...

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    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face - Ben Williams
  501. Harry Harrison by Rixel · · Score: 1

    Bill, The Galactic Hero......I can only wonder what would have occurred if this was required reading in America 40 years ago.

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    Never play chicken with a passive aggressive.
  502. Jules Verne by mariushm · · Score: 1

    When I was a kid I loved reading Jules Verne, read most of his books I had at home twice.

    Even better, some are freely available on the Internet (project Gutenberg for example) so you could just print them for free.

  503. The Last Legionary by zenmojodaddy · · Score: 1

    ... by Douglas Hill, comprising Galactic Warlord, Deathwing Over Veynaa, Day Of The Starwind and Planet Of The Warlord. Also the Huntsman series by the same author, comprising The Huntsman, Warriors Of The Wasteland and Alien Citadel. I have fond memories of them all.

    1. Re:The Last Legionary by estarriol · · Score: 1

      Thanks - I forgot the Huntsman books by Hill in my list above. Excellent series also.

  504. Harry Harrison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Stainless Steel Rat" and "Deathworld" series - they are light, packed with action and not too serious.

  505. From experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything by Dianna Wynne Jones
    Anything by Anne McCaffrey
    Net Force Explorers series - Tom Clancy
    The Bartimaeus Trilogy - Jonathan Stroud
    The Fionavar Tapestry trilogy - Guy Gavriel Kay
    The Temeraire series - Naomi Novik
    Pagans Tales series - Catherine Jinks
    The Dragonlance series - Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman

    They should give you plenty to get through and even though its not really sci-fi/fantasy I *highly* recommend a good illustrated copy of Aesops Fables. The kids will love the tales and hopefully take something of the morals from the many various stories and grow up the better for it :)

  506. Call me old-fashioned, but.. by andr0meda · · Score: 1

    ..I used to listen to tape-cassettes that came with Kellog's cornflakes on the adventures of Skeletor and He-man. That and even much more at that: the Lego-space set, these were the most SF related things that kind of shaped my childhood. Been going downhill ever since ;)

    Nowadays I can tell you all about how Starwars is just a Dune rip-off, my all time favourite, next to Snowcrash, Akira and GITS of course.

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    With great power comes great electricity bills.
  507. Re:Van Vogt, Russell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gosh!! Any child have to *LOVE* robots. Just give them some Asimov collection of stories and they'll forget the PS at least for an hour ^_^

    ps: And of course, any adult *SHOULD LOVE* robots. If you don't, probably you have to be fixed!
  508. Jack L. Chalker by a_quester · · Score: 1

    I have always loved the adventures of Nathan Brazil in Jack L. Chalker's "Well-World" novels, a series of about six books.

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    According to one wise man, "Belief is premature cognitive committment." NO AMOUNT OF BELIEF ESTABLISHES A FACT.
  509. Stay well clear of Blish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His novels are just too good for the general population to know about.

    As a geek Sci-fi writer, he is the only writer I know to actually explain the maths behind his space drives (Spindizzys, named for what they do to electrons), gravity-polarised explosives, Dirac instantaneous communicators and other weird devices.

    He has also written a short series of top-class Sci-fi aimed at young people - The Star Dwellers starts it.

    His masterpiece is probably 'Doctor Mirabilis', but I wouldn't read that until you're about 38, and have some medieval Latin under your belt. Of course, this book is not really science fiction - it's science fact, as near as we can get it, but, amongst other things, the development of Einstinian Relativity in the 1200s is so little known about that it might as well be fiction.

    As I say, stay away from these books. If you read them, most other Sci-fi will feel tame by comparison. Luckily, they will never be discovered by Hollywood.....

  510. well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1984 is a good start. It may teach your kids to think about what kind of government they want. They may also learn to think about the implications of government sponsored mass surveillance.

  511. Too many to choose from... by Genda · · Score: 1

    I mean there're so many great stories... you might try a couple anthologies of short stories... When I was young, it was wonderful to read an entire story on a rainy afternoon. Sometimes if they were really great, I could get through two or three.

    So for possible full length novels... might I suggest;

    Heinlien: "Podkayne of Mars" and "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"

    Niven: "Integral Tree" and "Ring World"

    McCaffrey: "The Dragonriders of Pern"

    Pohl: "Beyond the Blue Event Horizon"

    Bradbury: "Martian Chronicles", "Fahrenheit 451", "Something Wicked This Way Comes"

    Vonnegut: "The Sirens of Titan"

    Asimov: "The Gods Themselves"

    Stephenson: "Diamond Age" or "Snow Crash"

    Like I said... too many good books to shake a stick at. Enjoy.

  512. Nicholas Fisk by Joel+Rowbottom · · Score: 1

    Others have mentioned Nicholas Fisk - my father brought me up on them as "good starter sci-fi" :)

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    Smegma.
  513. The Q was about SF but fantasy too I suppose by dbIII · · Score: 1
    However both of those writers do fantasy and not SF (with the execption of a few McCaffrey books). Most of the McCaffrey books are really teenage girl horseriding adventure books with fantasy and occasionally SF elements - but they are really well done teenage girl horseriding adventures so it really does not matter. There's also something about Eddings that had me reading ten large and almost identical books in a row - it must be deeper than it initially appears but I'm still not sure I'd recommend it to anyone that isn't already reading a lot of other stuff.

    As for SF anything by Clark that is under a couple of hundred pages per novel is very suitable for young readers. The collaborative stuff later is heavily padded and seems to have sex scenes included purely to indicate it is for an adult audience.

    At that age I was reading and enjoying John Wyndham, John Christopher, Asimov's Robot short stories, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Poul Anderson and a pile of collected short SF stories.

    1. Re:The Q was about SF but fantasy too I suppose by milesje · · Score: 1

      it is clearly stated "great sci-fi & fantasy books" !

  514. Tough to find, but.... by TastelessGarbage · · Score: 1

    'Ethel the Aardvark Goes Quantity Surveying' can hardly be topped for pathos.

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    That ain't liver; that's beef kidney!
  515. Thirded ! by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been trying to remember what these books were called all morning. I remember absolutely loving "The Castle Of Lyr" when I was 9 or 10, really great characters and a fantastic story. I'd recommend these to any child.

    I think there may also have been some sort of animated film of the Black Cauldron 20 years ago or something.

    1. Re:Thirded ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Disney made The Black Cauldron in the mid-80s. It was mishmash of the first two books, and possibly the darkest of the Disney animated films. As I recall, it was also the first full-length animated film to use CGI to any extent. I remember the issue of "Enter" magazine that covered it.

    2. Re:Thirded ! by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it was a great film, but apparently they thought it was "too much" so it didn't reappear until recently, as opposed to disney's normal "re-release a new version every 10-ish years to reset the copyright clock and milk it" approach.

      I do love that movie though.

  516. How about Niven & Pournelle? by hoover · · Score: 1

    When I was that age (a looong time ago ;-), I scoured the local library for anything written by Niven & Pournelle. Great stuff, interesting concepts to think about (well, maybe not "hammerfall" or the one featuring the space elephants), and usually funny enough to keep the interest up (the one with the "flying wizards" had me ROTFL quite a few times).

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  517. Or give them what they want to read by js_sebastian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, you can propose some books you think they will like, but please also take them to a library and let them browse and pick up whatever they want. This is how you get kids into reading in the first place. We are all different, I have a lot of books that are dear to me that I've pushed on this or that youngling, and with some I have been successful, with some I have failed totally. I think I bought my sister Michael Ende's "Momo" twice by mistake, and she never read it once.

    Real readers start omnivorous, reading all sort of good as well as bad books, but of all the books I read as a child, very few of the more important (for me) were "for children".

    1. Re:Or give them what they want to read by Schadrach · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hits the nail on the head. I was big into fantasy/scifi/horror when I was a kid (I think that came about as being part of the family in general though -- we all seem to have a taste for it. When I was around 8-10, I read mostly Poe, King, Tolkein, Douglas Adams, Lewis Carroll, CS Lewis and of all things the Lone Wolf gamebooks by Joe Dever (I got into those when I was something like 5, but I'm atypical wrt reading [Mother taught me to read fairly young, and I took to it rapidly]). I didn't really get into any hard scifi until I was a bit older, but the more fantasy-like scifi I got into around 8ish (mostly as an outgrowth of watching Star Trek with my parents since I could hold my own head up).

    2. Re:Or give them what they want to read by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have a very hazy memory of reading Andre Norton's

      • The Zero Stone

      out of my grade school library.

      I was 6 when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, and had hi-res, 9x12 photos from Apollo 11 on my bedroom wall. I loved my books on rockets and space flight.

      I found Asimov, Heinlein, and Bradbury later, and subscribed to Analog for High School and college. But The Zero Stone certainly kindled my fascination with sci-fi... I have no idea how well it holds up today.

    3. Re:Or give them what they want to read by Mista2 · · Score: 1

      First SF book I remember reading was Battle Field Earth, then on to The Hobbit. I don't think huge books daunted me at all 8) I also remember devouring all of the Narnia series, then many short story anthologies as my local library had heaps of them. Once started on the "golden age" masters, I was permanently hooked.

  518. E.Doc Smith... The Lensman by Theurgy5 · · Score: 1

    At about that age I was introduced to the wonderful set of books THE LENSMAN by E. Doc. Smith. I have treasured them ever since and now carefully nurture the worn copies. If you can still get your hands on them then are a fantastic read.

  519. My memorable reads from grade school to junior hig by dreamer-of-rules · · Score: 1

    I read a lot of short stories as a young adult. I could read them during lunches or breaks, in the car, or whatever. There was a lot of variety, and I could skip around and pick stories based on my current mood. I wouldn't worry much about mature themes; although it may have been one of the reasons I liked Piers Anthony so much, it did keep me avidly reading. I didn't _only_ read the titillating books, by any stretch..

    Here's the (mostly) SciFi/Fantasy books I remember loving in my 8-13 years. I'm trying to keep them in order, youngest to oldest.

    ..Early grade school..

    • Cricket magazine - lots of the short stories had lasting effects on me. A story about the origins of the Easter story, read as a kid, helped me put aside my Christian beliefs in my twenties.. A girl, betrayed by her friend, imprisoned her in a magic circle for a hundred years, the memory of which still raises the hairs on the back of my neck.
    • all Greek mythology
    • The Rainbow Fairy Tales books by Andrew Lang (Red, Yellow, Blue.. there's about a dozen of them)
    • The Phoenix and the Carpet series by E. Nesbitt
    • The Princess and Curdie series
    • The Whispering Mountain by Joan Aiken.
    • Swallows and Amazons series by Arthur Ransome. Not SF/Fantasy, but it is about a group of fearless young explorers, and is one of the few YA books I repurchased as an adult.
    • The Day the Sea Rolled Back and the sequel by Mickey Spillane
    • Wizard of Oz and many, many sequels by Frank Baum
    • Choose your own adventure series. Basic, Lone Wolf, D&D, but the best were the Grailquest series.
    • The Three Investigators series and Hardy Boys series. Though I never read more than a dozen of each.
    • Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis. I read these over and over.

    ..late grade school..

    • D & D Manuals. I read these over and over, designing detailed monsters and dungeons until the early hours of the morning. My mom threw them out twice (yes, twice) into the garbage.
    • The Dragon King Trilogy by Stephen R. Lawhead (Christian themes)
    • The Search for Fierra and the Seige of Dome by Stephen R. Lawhead (Christian themes). My dad read this to me whenever I visited him, a chapter a night. I think it was to make reading a family activity, to get my nose out of my books. It took nearly a year to finish, but I was enthralled. And the memories are priceless.
    • Various short story anthologies, including those edited by Isaac Azimov with short one-word theme titles, like "Robots" or "Time"
    • Xanth series by Piers Anthony, but I only liked the first seven.
    • Decision at Doona by Anne McCaffrey
    • Dragonriders of Pern series, in particular the Harper Hall trilogy, by Anne McCaffrey
    • To Ride a Pegasus by Anne McCaffrey
    • Wrinkle in Time trilogy by Madeline L. Engle
    • The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien.
    • I, Robot series by Isaac Azimov
    • Pip and Flinx series by Alan Dean Foster, stars a young boy (I wouldn't recommend much else of his.)
    • The Myth series by Robert Aspirin, are very light and funny fantasy stories, starring a young boy in way over his head. Only the first six though.. Aspirin lost his way.
    • The Ebenezum series by Craig Shaw Gardner. Like Aspirin on Speed, but very funny.
    • Time is the Simplest Thing by Clifford D. Simak
    • The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever by Stephen R. Donaldson. I read this early, but it's probably more appropriate for mid-teens. However, the world is very rich.

    ..Junior High..

    • Foundation series by Isaac Asimov, but not all at once.
    • The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexander Dumas. Still my all-time favorite. My mom gave me this when I was stuck in bed sick for several days. Do not get the abridged version. If it's less than 800 pages, it's abridged.
    • Magic Castle for Sale, Sold! by Terry Brooks. (I have
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  520. Ursula LeGuin... by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

    ...remains one of my favorite authors, and I have been reading her books since before I could read (they were read to me). I think her writing is also morally very rich and stimulating, with none of the powermongering bullshit of most fantasy. The turning point in her stories is usually not a battle. I did not like all of her books as a child (like Tehanu, the 4th earthsea book, which has way too many old people in it for me to get it at age 10).

    The earthsea series has already been mentioned (I personally make no distinction between fantasy and Sci-fi), and is a great read for any age. I think The Tombs of Atuan was my favorite book. The Dispossessed is one of her best books, but I didn't read it as a child so I don't know. I liked "The Lathe of Heavens", and "A fisherman of the inland sea", "the word for world is forest", and many of her short stories...

  521. why didn't anyone mention those ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that now is a bad time to mention them , but most of you guys focused on the Scifi (LOTR and hobbit not withstanding) classics and neglected the Fantasy classics - the narnia chronicles , wizard of Oz, Alica in wonderland & Peter pan should have been on the top of the list.
    I would also add "The Jungle Book" ,the Paul Anderson Fantasy books , "Riddle master of Hed" trilogy .

  522. Mortal Engines by Keeper+Of+Keys · · Score: 1

    Seconded! Not for the sensitive, though; the books are pretty bleak, and there are deaths on an Iain M. Banks scale.

  523. Pre-teen? Wyndham. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything and everything by John Wyndham would be the go.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wyndham

    If not the whole set, then at least these two:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocky

    The Chrysalids actually has a group of children as the central characters, and heroes and heroines, of the plot.

    It would be an excellent read for pre-teens.

    Chocky also has a young boy as the central character, so it also could strike a chord.

    Finally, "The Day of the Triffids"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Triffids

    while it does not feature children as the central characters, it is nevertheless also a very good traditionalist ScFi read.

  524. Stanislaw Lem's & Karel Capek by elguillelmo · · Score: 1

    I agree. I would recommend the books that made me love sci-fi. Back to basics! Stanislaw Lem is just great: interesting, informative, insightful and even funny (check out The Cyberiad too).
    And talking about funny insightful sci-fi, War with the Newts, by Karel Capek, the guy who came up with the word Robot, is both at a high level

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  525. Mortal Engines by Skord · · Score: 1

    The Mortal Engines series by Philip Reeve is a great take, if not an English language definition of the steampunk genre. Someone had mentioned it to me before and upon getting the the library found it it's actually a series of childrens books.

  526. When I was a preteen.... by WibbleOnMars · · Score: 1

    When I was a pre-teen, I got hooked on John Wyndham.

    His best known book is Day Of The Triffids, but he wrote quite a few more, including some very very good stuff.

    I also enjoyed the Tripod series by John Christopher (sorry, I forget the names of the actual books in the series).

  527. The stainless steel rat by houghi · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_Steel_Rat

    I also enjoyed fairy tales. However I never had any help from my parents. I went to the bookstore and found myself what I liked. Bought a lot of second hand pockets for almost nothing (and later saw them raped on the wide screen)

    I was about 13 or 14 when I started buying my own books. Neither of my parents had any interest in SF.

    This can be also the other way around. Perhaps your kids have absolutely no interest in SF. If they do, let them look in your library or look online what the story is about and see if they like it. If they don't, they will have other interests (that might mean nothing to you)

    Learn them to make their own decisions. When it is your own pocketmoney, you sure as hell will buy something you know will be good. Go with them to a bookstore and let them choose. You might learn what their interests are.

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  528. The Learning Maze: and Other Science Fiction by codeonezero · · Score: 1

    Looking on google it's by Roger Elwood

    I used to prowl the middle school library (many a moon ago) and this is one of the books that stuck out and I often remember. I am surprised not very many people seem to know it.

    The first story in particular about a future where success and failure are rewarded (moving ahead - new experiences) and punished (death) by a set of long ago programmed cold machines. Although the story may seem a bit dark, it left a good impression on me about what it is to be an individual and being creative, and how even when an "authority" may claim something to be wrong, it really isn't. So tempted to go out and see if I can pick it up so I can refresh my memory and come back and read this and think "wow, I was way off" :)

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  529. From my childhood... by Angostura · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The ones that stick in my mind are:

    The Wizard of Earthsea books by Ursula Le Guin
    A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
    The Gods Themselves - Azimov
    The End of Eternity - Azimov

  530. Necromancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give them some Dick to read. Let's show them how the world can look like if they choose the right path!

  531. What about Tom Swift? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It depends on how young they are. Pre-teen covers a lot of ground.

    I remember reading the Tom Swift series, and the Tom Swift Jr. series. Targeted at the younger part of pre-teen, they are easy reads and will definitely get you/them hooked.

  532. SciFi from Old-Time-Radio days by AZhun · · Score: 1

    There have been so many good posts of books and series that had been fun back in the 60's that reminded me of those times!

    Another consideration both for reading and entertainment to add would be to look at old radio and TV series and their written spin-offs.

    One such would be "Tom Corbett". There are books both printed and often to be found on-line for download -- but there is also the old audio from the radio shows for MP3 players or CD-players.

    Some folks might show eye strain symptoms of headaches or car sickness if left to reading for long periods in moving conveyances.

    This then opens up shows like Dimension-X, X Minus 1, Twilight Zone and the like.

    It would also if played when you could comment upon points of changed social perspectives allowing you to teach analytical thought for rejection or modification for current times.

    As a mix in addition to Heinlein's Juvenile pieces, Jules Verne, or series like Tom swift this should expose them to a wide vocabulary and perhaps a sense of the flow of history.

    Other classics could more easily follow.

    You might consider how much of the mix is geared to the young reader so to build up their comprehension and enjoyment for what might be now "harder" works.

    Good luck - sounds like they should be well off in later years in school and later life. :-)

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  533. R.A. Salvatore by Neotangerine · · Score: 1

    When I was a senior in high school, a friend of mine tossed me the book The Crystal Shard by R. A. Salvatore. That book got me started into the fantasy genre. The wonderful thing about Salvatore's books is that they are not only action packed they make you think on some very interesting issues. His books are the type were, once you pick them up they are hard to put down.

    Another good fantasy author is Ed Greenwood. I absolutely enjoyed the Elminster series. The only problem you might have with that series is it is a bit more oriented for adults.

    The Warcraft and Starcraft novels are another good choice. The only issue with them is they are generally written by many different authors but there are two "archive" books that have a compilation of books which were a wonderful read.

  534. Mortal Engines Quartet by actiondan · · Score: 1

    The Mortal Engines Quartet by Phillip Reeve would be great for the age group you are talking about.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Engines_Quartet

    (According to that article, the quartet is known as 'The Hungry City Chronicles' in the USA)

    It has some really interesting ideas (e.g. towns and cities that have become mobile and predatory, stripping their prey settlements for raw materials)

    The setting is post-apocalyptic steampunk and is well realised.

    The stories move along at a great pace with plenty of action and adventure.

  535. I honestly think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... that any Sci-Fi would do. I gobbled them up when I was a kid. Though the Stainless Steel Rat was a favourite, as was the Flinx series by Alan Dean Foster.

    But shortly thereafter I read "The Sheep Look Up", and was hooked on more serious Sci-Fi. If your kid likes to read that, let them, I'd say.

  536. Andre Norton and Douglas Hill by BugBlatterBeast · · Score: 1

    I remember those two fondly from my pre-teen (and in fact pre-pre-teen) days. I also read E E "Doc" Smith's Family d'Alembert series (D'oh - just read on Wikipedia that Stephen Goldin wrote most of them - childhood shattered!) but they were probably a bit trashy.

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  537. Stainless Steel Rat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was young, by Sci-Fi tipples were Harry Harrison's 'Stainless Steel Rat' series, and the Pratchett novels. I started with 'Dark Side of the Sun' and a couple of other Non-Discworld novels before I ended up moving there.
    I think Pratchett is superb because of the multiple levels the books can be read on. You take as much from the book as you want, or as you are capable. I know I didn't get half the jokes until I was older, but I didn't notice that I'd missed anything till then.

  538. Just some books by pivale · · Score: 1

    These are the books i've started reading with my father. We are both sci-fi/fantasy fans now. Arthur C. Clarke - Rendezvous with Rama (and sequels) Jules Verne - Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Journey to the Center of the Earth, From the Earth to the Moon Anne McCaffrey - All of the Pern (Dragon) related books Gordon R. Dickson - Dorsai (and sequels), Tactics of Mistake Robert Asprin - Phule's Company (and sequels), The Bug Wars Roger Zelazny - Nine Princes in Amber (and sequels)

  539. In addition to all the other wonderful suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Inheritance Cycle is a fantastic, although as of yet incomplete fantasy series. The first two books, Eragon and Eldest were excellent and the third is supposed to be released in a few months.

  540. Authors that made me stop and think by bpjk · · Score: 1
    Piers Anthony is a bit controversial as many of his books deal with dominance, violence (including sexual), religion, etc., so once you're confident your children can make up their own minds about stuff like that, give them Tarot (a single novel, but you may find it published in three parts as it's rather long) or the Mode series. Highly controversial (you may want to read it yourself first as it's all rather extreme) but serious food for thought; wait until they're teens or late teens though.

    The Thomas Covenant series by Stephen Donaldson; likewise controversial (deals with a man's struggle with lepracy) but not so violent and very good food for thought. The Gap series by the same author is much more brutal so maybe for the later years as well.

    Repeated warning: read them yourself first, if you haven't already done so.

  541. Vorkosigan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lois McMaster Bujold' Vorkosigan Saga.

    A small man in the big, bad world :) Pure fun :)

  542. Tom Swift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tom Swift books were good reads and got me into sci fi. Granted most are a bit dated in this day and age, but your post got me to pull one or two out to thumb through.

    Granted I don't know the reading level of your boys, these may be a bit below their level, but worth a look?

  543. Armada Sci-Fi collections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was a lad I really enjoyed collections of short stories. Especially things like the Armada Sci-Fi collections which were aimed at kids and which you can still get (very cheaply) Second hand.

    Mind you they might be a little dated now (I think the "lonely computer" ran off tape etc.) but they're still good fun (I last re-read mine about two years ago and still enjoyed them)

    And I'm sure there must be something similar, but contemporary, out there !

  544. The last book of the Lensman series by wiredog · · Score: 1

    IIRC, the first book of that series made it pretty clear that the human lensmen were being created/bred by the aliens.

    1. Re:The last book of the Lensman series by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      IIRC, the first book of that series made it pretty clear that the human lensmen were being created/bred by the aliens.

      Yes, but the "first" and "second" books were written as cash-^H^H^H^H^H prequels. The main story arc from the original SF mags is 3,4,5,6. What's less explicable is why all the books start with a prologue which pretty much spoilers the whole story...

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  545. Space Viking by wiredog · · Score: 1

    The short story collections, Foundation, Empire, and World's of, are also good. All of his stuff is on Gutenberg.

  546. just a fun book for kids. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read this series when I was really young. It's perhaps the same age group that would read the hardy boys.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Teacher_is_an_Alien

  547. Orson Scott Card by W.+Irving · · Score: 1

    Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow are both very good. Also, try Garth Nix, while not as much Sci-Fi, he is an excellent author...

  548. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Narpak · · Score: 1

    Hm, I do think he/she was responding to my post, and not to the original question.
    That being said, I have read A song of Ice and Fire, though only the first two (or three books); maybe I should check it out again.

  549. Eleanor Cameron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did not find this posted so to add a new one to the list....

    Eleanor Cameron with the Mushroom Planet Series

    I really enjoyed these back in my pre-teen years and still enjoy them. It is a great series to read aloud. Easier to find these days, but it will likely have to be in old libraries or the reprints online. I think the two boys in the stories are ~11.

  550. Philip K. Dick by McGiraf · · Score: 1

    Good for kids. That will make them question reality before they are brain washed by TV and school. That or they will become paranoid schizos, but hey it's worth a try they are not my kids. :)

  551. Stanislaw Lem by Kazymyr · · Score: 1

    The Cyberiad is accessible at any age.

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  552. Andre Norton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of them are already in the juvenile sf sections. I grew up on them and think many are great for more than just juvenile SF, but for many that was a target audience.

    Also, consider the Diane Duane wizardry books. Before Harry Potter and very different - and definitely SF not just fantasy. The purpose of wizards is to slow down the death of the universe....

  553. Terry Brooks by ShannaraFan · · Score: 1

    The Shannara series by Terry Brooks (can you tell I'm a fan?) would be an excellent choice. Read them in chronological order, not publication order, beginning with "Running With the Demon". Brooks recently bridged the gap between the "present day" books of the Word & Void series with those of the "future" Shannara series - the third book of that bridge will be released in August.

    1. Running With the Demon
    2. A Knight of the Word
    3. Angel Fire East
    4. Armageddon's Children
    5. The Elves of Cintra
    6. The Gypsy Morph (coming in August)
    7. First King of Shannara
    8. The Sword of Shannara
    9. The Elfstones of Shannara
    10. The Wishsong of Shannara
    11. The Scions of Shannara
    12. The Druid of Shannara
    13. The Elf Queen of Shannara
    14. The Talismans of Shannara
    15. Ilse Witch
    16. Antrax
    17. Morgawr
    18. Jarka Ruus
    19. Tanequil
    20. Straken

  554. Space Vulture by topher1kenobe · · Score: 1

    I read Space Vulture a few weeks ago, and it would be *perfect* for that age bracket. It was written to intentionally mimic the stereotype of 1930's sci-fi for young boys. It did a great job. Check out http://spacevulture.com/

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  555. 1st in a series of such by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle

  556. Some other picks by fbernard · · Score: 1

    I did not watch any TV as a kid. Thus, my mother made me read books from age 6.
    When I was ten or eleven, I had already read all of Jules Verne and some Kipling & Jack London books (those my mother judged suitable for a 10-year-old anyway). I loved those, and they turned me into a real book-lover.
    I read a lot of mythology books too at that time (Iliad & Odyssey, that kind of thing).

    By the time I was 14, I had read all of the then-available Stephen King (talk about dark stuff) and most of the Dune novels (politics? religion?) I stalled on the God Emperor of Dune and didn't read it entirely until I was 17.
    All of that in English (not my native language, I started learning English at 13).
    The Hobbit was my first English book, followed by the LOTR cycle and Dune.
    After, almost all books I've read from american or English authors were in English. I don't know how old kids are when they start learning a foreign language in your country, but good reading skills are great for learning a new language.

    Also some other books from Herbert, the Hellstrom's Hive comes to mind - I read that 20+ years ago, and still remember it.
    'Destination: Void' too, and the sequels.

    My mom kept me reading when I was a kid (simply no TV allowed during the weekdays), and I used to read 2 or 3 books a week.
    That lasted until I was 18. Now, I read when I have the time. Still a lot, but nowhere near what I could read when I was 15.

    Some that come to mind are :
    'The Alien Years' and 'Hawksbill Station' by Robert Silverberg,
    'The immortals' by James Gunn,
    all the Dune novels and the additional work by Brian Herbert,
    Michael Crichton's Andromeda Strain',
    Paul Preuss's 'Venus Prime' series.

    One that I love but would not recommend to a kid below 15 is Henlein's 'Stranger in a Strange Land'.
    Definitely great (my favorite Henlein) but weird. I'm not sure I would have liked it as a kid.

    Also a favorite : 'Hunters of the Red Moon' by Marion Zimmer Bradley (and the sequel).

    As for fantasy, some good suggestions have been made above, and I would also suggest the Inheritance Cycle by Christopher Paolini (only two books out now, the third will be released in September). Addictive, and definitely kid material (although I read that when it was out, about 6 and 4 years ago).

    Clancy, Len Deighton and a few others are good thriller writers too.

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  557. Classic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned...

    Since it is widely considered the best first SciFi book by the Authors mentioned in these other posts!

    Andre Norton - Starman's Son

  558. Heinlein, Hughes, Robeson, Nortron by TrentTheThief · · Score: 1

    The Doc Savage series verges on sci-fi with its great use of technology. Plenty of adventure there.

    As others have mentioned, Heinlein wrote a number of teen books, all of them are excellent, though I didn't much care for Podkanye.

    Citizen of the Galaxy was an excellent read.

    If they're 12 or maybe a mature 11, Heinlein's Sixth Column would be great.

    Zach Hughes has a bunch of space opera books that are pretty good. (For Texas and Zed, Tiger In the Stars, etc.)

    H. Beam Piper's Fuzzy books are great. Plenty of fun and pleasant reads, as well.

    Andre Norton's Time Trader's series is one of the best teen sets I've read (http://io9.com/392563/andre-nortons-time-traders-series-free-online).

    Another is her Solar Queen series: Sargasso of Space, Plague Ship, Voodoo Planet, Postmarked the Stars, Redline the Stars, Derelict for Trade, and Mind for Trade.

    Personally, I wouldn't ask anyone to read Card's Ender series. I know that many people were deeply moved by the stories, but I found them somewhat boring and less than fun to read.

  559. A couple more for you by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

    I seem to remember enjoying reading pretty much all sci-fi when I was a kid. But some more specific "for kids" stuff that stuck in my memory is: -

    The Men From P.I.G. and R.O.B.O.T. - Harry Harrison
    Empty World - John Christopher
    A Rag, a Bone and a Hank of Hair - Nicholas Fisk

    And, although it's more fantasy than sci-fi, I seem to remember enjoying pretty much everything by Dianne Wynne Jones.

  560. Thomas Covenant series inappropriate, rape scene by bgalbrecht · · Score: 1

    Besides the turgid writing style, Covenant rapes a woman in the first book. This rape scene is often mentioned in SF convention panels as a reason why people hate, hate, hate this series.

  561. Honor Harrington by macbuzz · · Score: 1

    Honor Harrington by David Weber Highly recommended by a Sci-fi expert friend of mine.

  562. Juvenile fiction by sadr · · Score: 1

    So I'm not sure how pre-teen you're looking but some authentic juvenile fiction:

    Timothy Zahn has a new series (currently on book 5 of 6?) called "Dragon and Thief" (and each sequel is "Dragon and _____".) Lots of interesting stuff, and they have study and discussion guides at the end if you care.

    Phillip Pullman is good stuff.

    We've really enjoyed the Cornelia Funke, and a movie is coming out soon.

    As a kid in 4th-6th grade, I devoured the Dark is Rising books. I need to re-read them.

    Ditto the Madeline L'engle books.

    The Dragon Drums series by Anne McCaffery is targetted at a younger audience. Some of the other novels in that series (and her other series) have more adult themes. (Not that this is bad, but might be a bit much for a 9 or 10 year old.)

  563. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lloyd Alexander's books are great, if either of them have an interest in historical fiction give them the Westmark Trilogy. I also used to read the Sharpe's Series. You know Sharpe's Rifles, etc.

    It may be a little old for them but they might get the same kick out of it that I did when I was 12, I read the first book of the Vampire Earth series.

    The first book is Way of the Wolf, by E. E. Knight.

  564. Slan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slan: A Novel: A. E. Van Vogt is a good pre teen book. It has a anti rasisic bacground

    see: http://www.sfsite.com/columns/over260.htm

  565. Go ahead and give them those "dark" books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those books are darker, more cynical and more political than you remember because, brace for it, you're darker, more cynical and more political than you were when you were 13. All that stuff flew right over head at that age, and it'll fly over your children's heads too.

  566. Re:Dark and Cynical? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

    I was responding to my parent, not the OP. Kids shouldn't be reading ASOIAF, I agree.

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  567. Alternate History by azadrozny · · Score: 1

    I enjoy reading alternate history, specifically books written by Harry Turtledove. He has a series of books written specifically for young-adults. I have not read any of them, so I cannot say how appropriate they may be for your children, but I find the author has a talent for writing historically accurate books, with thought provoking twists. These may not the "classics" you are looking for, but fun to read nonetheless.

  568. My favourites: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Stars my destination" - Alfred Bester
    "Dune" - Frank Herbert
    "Robot tales" Stanislaw Lem
    "Ender's game" - Orson Scott Card

  569. The True Meaning of Smekday by joebok · · Score: 1

    by Adam Rex. Great book - 1st person narrative of a pre-teen girl navigating an alien invasion of earth. Good for kids, good for adults.

  570. Authors and series my family has enjoyed. by Tanispyre · · Score: 1

    It is probably too late to get noticed, I think this is over 1000 posts now. Here are some books the our family has enjoyed: ---The Temeraire Series by Naomi Novik. Set during the Napoleonic Wars, with the added component of dragons makeing up the air corp. The book is very accurate to history, so they can actually learn something besides having a good fantasy read. the 5th book in the series just came out I think. ---The Mistmantle Chronicles by M I McAllister. Another talking animal book, written more towards the 8-10 year old level, but still good reads. ---The Dark is Rising series, by Susan Cooper. Arthurian legend, extended to modern times classic good vs evil story. Also any of the other books by Susan Cooper will be good. ---As cliche as they sound The Hardy Boys, and the Nancy Drew books were fun for me at that age too. I am too lazy to post in HTML this morning so I apologize if this is harder to read.

  571. No big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's been my experience that children will gloss over a lot of stuff that isn't appropriate for them. When i watch old simpsons episodes or read books that i hadn't since i was a kid, i'll see things, meant for adults, that i never noticed when i was a kid. I mean i wouldn't give him something too obvious, but some subtle stuff: like, say, Starship Troopers, shouldn't be too bad.

  572. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

    If anyone can name good mature fantasy...that doesnt revolve around the end of the world, the fight against the "dark one" and the "chosen one" I would be very interested.

    You might check out Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea series.

    Also, Jack Vance's The Dying Earth. Some of Roger Zelazny's forays into fantasy like Changeling and Dilvish the Damned - the Amber series is definitely an "the end of the world is nigh!" sort of tale, though with less of the "dark one/chosen one" dynamic.

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  573. pre-Potter wizardry by enbody · · Score: 1

    "So You Want to Be a Wizard" by Diane Duane is a wonderful book for pre-teens about a pre-teen. It is a wizard book which predates Harry Potter.

    "The Golden Compass" by Philip Pullman was another enjoyed by my pre-teens

  574. the white mountains by NapalmScatterBrain · · Score: 1

    The White Mountains, City of Gold and Lead, and Pool of Fire are a trilogy by John Christopher. Read them when I was 11, and they were fantastic books.

  575. Lois McMaster Bujold & Miles Vorkosigan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Around the same time I read Ender, I found Miles Vorkosigan's adventures quite entertaining. Maybe when your kids have read Ender, they can read some of Miles' adventures/stories.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_McMaster_Bujold

  576. David Brin's teenage books by ngreenfeld · · Score: 1

    I love Brin, and found (by accident) that he's written at least 3 books aimed at younger readers. They're not outdated, and are simpler than his well-known books. Just right for younger kids.

    I'm not at home, so don't have the names of these books. If interested, let me know and I'll dig them out.

  577. Sci-fi for pre-teens by one who read them... by ug-a-nug · · Score: 1

    i discovered "the white mountains" by John Christopher ( pen name for Samuel Youd )when i was about 11 and was thouroughly hooked. I read all of his stuff i could get my hands on. Really great for kids and not too dark. Try the entire Narnia series as well. And, Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea books are excellent. The Great Brain is a series of children's books by American author John Dennis Fitzgerald, also one of my favorite reads but a bit off of sci-fi. I got more, but that should start and keep them very happy if they are readers. Happy Trails.

  578. books by rvandenbrink · · Score: 1

    no one has mentioned the hobbit yet - if they're pre-teens, it's an easier read than lord of the rings. anything by bradbury should be fine for that age as well. my 7 year old is reading the star wars books (ie books from the films) - he's enjoying them quite a bit, but they don't really qualify as "literature". how about jules verne? i read 20,000 leagues under the sea at 10-ish. but then again, i also read beowulf translations and le morte d'arthur by then, so maybe i'm not the best one to give advice ... tho on reflection, the "real" beowulf isn't a bad read for a bloodthirsty 10 year old ...

  579. First Sci-Fi novels by Prototerm · · Score: 1

    When I was a kid I was into comic books big-time. Then a friend of my father's recommended Edgar Rice Burrough's John Carter series (A Princess of Mars, etc). I always thought this was a good transition from the usual Superman/Spiderman, etc world of childhood fantasy to the more adult fantasy of ERB.

    Another recommendation, although I think it's out of print now, is the Tom Swift Junior adventures by Victor Appleton III. Something like 30 books in that series. While definitely sixties/Cold War in many of its plots, the books are on a level that younger, inexperienced readers can enjoy.

    The biggest challenge is just getting pre-teens and teenagers to read on their own. Teachers always assign dead-boring books, which I think is a mistake. The trick is to figure out what level of maturity the kid is at, and what their interests are, and tailor the reading list to that. If the kid's into Star Trek or Star Wars, there are lots of well-written novels available in that area. Just remember, your kids are not you. They *may* have different tastes, which you may not appreciate.

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  580. a wrinkle in time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A wrinkle in time,
    Wind in The Door,
    Many Waters,
    and A swiftly tilting planet
    by madeleine l'engle

    I read these when I was 10, great books. Also give them something a little darker you'd be surprised at how well they handle it and probably enjoy it.

  581. One Word by BodhiCat · · Score: 1

    Bradbury

  582. Some recommendations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apart from what's already been said:

    - Ubik: very easy to read and fun, although it's more because of irony than jokes...
    - The Hobbit: I read it in an early age, and enjoyed it very much

    1. Re:Some recommendations by anarkavre · · Score: 1

      The Lord of the Rings trilogy would be good. Sadly I have yet to read them. The Hobbit I started reading a few years back, but never finished. I plan to reread it though. The Chronicles of Narnia would probably be good too. I just read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? It is an easy read, but there is some sexual content, though not much detail and it is very brief. It is nothing more than a male human having sex with a female android out of curiosity. I am reading The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy next, which would probably be good. I am a big H.P. Lovecraft fan, but his stories are very dark, gothic, and cosmic. Lovecraft also writes in a particular way that pre-teens may have trouble understanding.

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      "Without curiosity and knowledge, the mind is a vast void. Without the mind, curiosity and knowledge are nonexistent."
  583. Cordwainer Smith by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Nobody's mentioned Cordwainer Smith yet. Norstrilia or one of his short story collections. Brilliant, unconventional, totally accessible to a young reader.

    I read Norstrilia when I was 10 or 11, and loved it.

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  584. John Varley by Alterscape · · Score: 1

    John Varley has written some books ("Red Thunder" and sequels, IIRC) that very intentionally evoke the feel of the Heinlein juveniles. They're a little silly, but a fun adventure/sci-fi read. Also, the original Heinlein juvies.

  585. Wrong question ? by SlashV · · Score: 1

    You're asking /. readers for advice on reading material for your children ? Are you sure ? There's still time to save them...

  586. No, in fact it was J.R.R. Tolkien by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Who challenged and converted C.S. Lewis. They were part of a writer's group that met at a tavern and enjoyed a few bourbons if I recall correctly.

  587. Pity by Technopaladin · · Score: 1

    Personally that scene is why i HATE the character Thomas Covenant, but I understand why it was necessary to the character. Still I wouldnt avoid it because of that scene it made me cringe and I feel that teh world might be a better place if peple cringe sometimes and face darkness as opposed to skipping it because its uncomfortable.

    Course Donaldson has thing for Rape scenes

  588. Or Time for the Stars by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Perhaps my favorite of his youth novellas. I think it also stands up to the test of time quite well.

  589. William Sleator by halivar · · Score: 1

    These were the fist sci-fantasy books I ever read:
    Interstellar Pig
    House of Stairs
    Singularity
    Strange Attractors
    The Duplicate

    They are clearly written for young adults, and yet they have serious themes. A young reader with an inquisitive nature will end each book with profound (for their age, anyhow) questions. All of this is done in prose that is easily accessible to a pre-teen.

    I also recommend (highly) the Norby The Mixed-Up Robot series, co-written by Isaac and Janet Asimov.

  590. C. J. Cherryh's "Pride of Chanur" series by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Is also quite good. And I believe pretty pre-teen friendly. Also quite enjoyable.

    - The Saj

  591. If you're looking for good new YA SF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out Scott Westerfeld. Particularly his Midnighters, Uglies and Peeps series (these are three different series). He is a new writer who will definitely be considered one of the "greats" before long.

  592. dont forget the juvenille section by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to forget Classic Children's books,one book that really moved me in middle school was The Giver. Definately Sci Fi and aimed like a laser at children that age.

    I also recently read Cory Doctorow's Little Brother, which read a little easy for me (fair since its juvenille fiction) and i think it would have been one of my favorites at that age.

    Theres lots of grat Sci Fi out there aimed specifically at that age group and really speeks directly to pre-teens, you can find some real gems if you think outside the scifi/fantacy section and go to juvenille.

  593. Tom Swift is why I believe in Science by Quantus347 · · Score: 1

    A book series you can never start too young with is the Tom Swift series. It is in the demographic of the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew, but instead of mysteries it's a high school super-genius inventor getting into sci-fi adventures. They aren't what I would call educational per say, but they are entertaining for the younger age group.

    There has been a series nearly every generation since the 1900's. My series had flying surfboards and alternate realities and Virtual Reality. My Father's generation had a Giant Robot, a Flying Lab, and a Rocket Ship. The Original had such gems as Tom Swift and his Motor Cycle, Tom Swift and his Electric Train, Tom Swift and his Moving Pictures.

    That is basically why I believe in Science: because Tom Swift has given us a nice, continuing Record of Science Fiction becoming Science Fact. No fiction outside of MacGuyver played a bigger role in my education.

    And one more bit (from Wikipedia):
    Computer developer Steve Wozniak has stated that he grew up reading Tom Swift Jr., whom he regarded as the epitome of creative freedom, scientific knowledge, and the ability to find solutions to problems. For him Tom Swift also represented the potential rewards that invention might bring. "Spirit of American Innovation: The Personal Computer is Born"

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  594. surprisingly absent from my default filter by farker+haiku · · Score: 1

    ctrl-f "gaiman" found no results.

    Stardust is arguably the best fairy tale written in the last several hundred years.

    Here is Gaiman's wikipedia page for more info.

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  595. SciFi for pre-teens? by __aazdxr5242 · · Score: 1

    Try 'The Mote in God's Eye' by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. In my opinion it is one of the finest science fiction books ever written.

  596. Re:Dark and Cynical? by snarlingcoyote · · Score: 1

    Ahmmm. . .you do know that C.S. Lewis was one of the most popular writers on Christianity in the 20th century, right? And you do know that Lewis not only intentionally filled the books with Christian themes, symbolisms and parallel story-lines, but that he copped to it, quite happily so too.

    Now, if you want a Christian writer whose work can be said to have "christian overtones" but which specifics are generally a stretch, try one of Lewis's best friends, Tolkien on for a stretch. You wouldn't believe the rubbish that's written about Christian analogies in his work, when it's just not there. . .

  597. Re:Dark and Cynical? by demallien2 · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming by this comment that you haven't read all of the Narnia books, have you? I'm thinking particularly of the prequel...wait, must google...The Magician's Nephew. Most of that book is a retelling of Genesis, with a couple of the proper nouns changed. And then there's the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, a retelling of the events in the New Testament. I mean, come on! Son of God, betrayed by one that is supposed to be faithful, sacrifices himself so that the sinner may be pardoned, gets resurrected, does that ring any bells, because it sure sounds familiar to me.

  598. short story collections! by iirving · · Score: 1

    I would consider (and have given to my nephews and nieces) short story collections. Short enough for them to work with but very rewarding. In particular Clarke, Asimov, Niven. For Heinlein I would stick to early Heinlein (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinlein_juveniles ), say : "Rocket Ship Galileo", "Farmer in the Sky" ,"The Rolling Stones".

    I would also consider various short story collections. The great advantage is that if some of them don't resonate with one or more of your kids then next one will.

    One new book worth looking at is Cory Doctorow's Little Brother http://craphound.com/littlebrother/about/

    Also : with respect to some stories being "darker and more political". As long as they are also reading stories with a different messages / vibes then they will not even notice.

  599. C.S. Lewis - Perelandra by johnrpenner · · Score: 1

    here here for C.S. Lewis Space Trilogy - better than Narnia - Perelandra and Out of the Silent Planet are a great introduction to Sci-fi or pre-teens, as is Madaline L'Engle's 'A Wrinkle in Time' - i got much delight out of these books when i was 10-12 years old - and still enjoy them now. :-)

  600. A Canticle for Leibowitz. by elizium23 · · Score: 1

    Walter M. Miller, Jr. wrote some great SF in a rather Catholic theme: A Canticle for Leibowitz. My mother introduced these to me at an early age, and I was hooked. I greatly enjoyed it when I re-read this classic later in life. There is also a posthumous follow-up novel, Saint Leibowitz and the Wild Horse Woman.

  601. How about using radio dramas - X Minus One by DifferentBreed · · Score: 1

    What if your kids dont like reading too much, but you want to introduce them to science fiction literature? Why not get them to listen to the 1950s serials Dimension X and X Minus One . Both were adaptations of short stories found in Amazing Science Fiction magazine. The dramatised stories included authors such as Heinlein,Asimov,Bradbury,Blish,Leinster,Dickson basically any authors who were up and coming in the 1950s. If they enjoy the radio plays then it might get them wanting to read the actual stories on paper.

  602. If you're talking young readers... by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    I was a huge fan of Robotech as a young sprog. The Jack McKinney books were a good read, more coherent than the show since the books were designed to be an overarching story from the start. The books are aimed at the same general audience for the show, roughly ages 8 to whenever-you-grow-out-of-liking-giant-transforming-robots. (Never!)

    If you are looking for ways to get the kids reading, you can start them on the show and then they'll want to hit the books to know more about the characters and what's going on.

    I know that the McKinney books have been reissued recently so you can either buy them in the omnibus editions or download them from torrent sites.

    Then again, there's a metric shit-ton of new young adult books out there now, far more than when I was a lad. You'd have to check the amazon reviews to see which ones are suggested by the reading public at large. The classic juveniles such as Heinlein's might be a bit too dated. I know when I read Asimov's Lucky Starr novels, I was very annoyed that the science was wrong. "There are no bloody oceans on bloody Venus!" It was written yonks ago, he didn't know. "No excuse!" Well, there aren't any Martians either, you pedant. "Self, quit arguing with me."

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  603. Re:Heinlein juveniles and others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Note that virtually all of the James Schmitz' books are now available for free either from the Baen Free Library (http://www.baen.com/library) or the Baen CDs

  604. Martian Chronicles by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

    The Martian Chronicles was a school reading assignment in 6th or 7th grade - that book really fired my imagination and got me into science fiction for the first time. Of course, that was the early 70s when it looked like we would have people on mars by the 90s so the book seemed a bit more "realistic" than it might today.

  605. Some recommendations by anarkavre · · Score: 1

    The Lord of the Rings trilogy would be good. Sadly I have yet to read them. The Hobbit I started reading a few years back, but never finished. I plan to reread it though. The Chronicles of Narnia would probably be good too. I just read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? It is an easy read, but there is some sexual content, though not much detail and it is very brief. It is nothing more than a male human having sex with an android female out of curiosity. I am reading The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy next, which would probably be good. I am a big H.P. Lovecraft fan, but his stories are very dark, gothic, and cosmic. Lovecraft also writes in a particular way that pre-teens may have trouble understanding.

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    "Without curiosity and knowledge, the mind is a vast void. Without the mind, curiosity and knowledge are nonexistent."
  606. First Meetings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is actually an Enders Universe book designed for younger kids, It's called First Meetings in Enders Universe, It is around 5 bucks on Amazon and has several short stories on how Ender met some of the people in the full length books, it also has a few pictures. Not a bad buy.

  607. James P. Hogan: 2 Faces of Tomorrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most anything by James P. Hogan is quite good - but I recommend the Two Faces of Tomorrow, as one of his best.

  608. Norby Chronicles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I vaguely remember (cocaine's a hell of a drug) the Asimovs' Norby Chronicles. I seem to remember it being geared toward children both in plot maturity and context.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norby

  609. A few more suggestions... by Carik · · Score: 1

    Arguably Sci-Fi:
    The "Lillith's Brood" trilogy by Octavia Butler. ("Dawn", "Adulthood Rites", and "Imago") I wouldn't recommend Parable of the Sower to a pre-teen, but they might like it anyway.

    The Callahan books by Spider Robinson. Although that may teach your child that punning is appropriate behavior, which may not be a great thing. (The first three, at least... the second trilogy isn't as good, in my opinion.)

    The Lucky Starr stories by Asimov, writing as Paul French (You can still find them used, though I'm pretty sure they're not available at all new).

    The "Norby" books by Asimov. Asimov robots, with books targeting young adults.

    The first Robot City series (created by Isaac Asimov, written by a bunch of other people). The second series may also be good -- I haven't read it.

    I agree with "Have Spacesuit Will Travel" and "Podkayne of Mars" (or however that's spelled), recommended by other people.

    Not really Sci-Fi:

    The Odessy. Get the Fitzgerald translation -- it's one of the best (and my personal favorite, but that of course has nothing to do with my recommending it).

    Anne McCaffery. The "Planet Pirate" books, the brainship series, and "Coelura" and "Nimisha's Ship" are arguably Sci-Fi. The Pern books aren't really, no matter how much the author may claim they are. (Still reasonable reads, though.)

    John Bellairs; he wrote some of the creepiest mystery novels I ever saw published as "Young Adult" novels.

    Tamora Pierce -- Any of the Tortall books are probably reasonable.

    Robin McKinley. Pretty much anything.

    Patricia McKillip. The "Riddle-Master" trilogy is brilliant. "Forgotten Beasts of Eld" is darker, but a good read.

    Most importantly, don't try to limit their reading. If there are sex scenes or violence in the book, so what? They'll mostly skip over them anyway. And if they don't, well, they'll see worse if they turn on the TV or the computer. Encourage them to read EVERYTHING: biographies, mystery novels (I'm partial to Agatha Christie, myself), histories, poetry, books of mythology (actually, Greek Mythology is well worth some time... a lot of modern fiction has its roots there), whatever. I went through most of Shakespeare's plays in 6th grade or so, and loved it.

    Don't try to push them to read things they don't like; just let them enjoy reading.

  610. Artemis Fowl / Bartimaeus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try the Artemis Fowl series and/or the Bartimaeus trilogy. Very entertaining, with interesting plots, and a couple of "messages" (be nice and stuff...)
    I'd also suggest His Dark Materials, but I'm not sure pre-teens can handle the whole religion issue. Maybe a little later on...

  611. Peter and the Starcatchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Peter and the Starcatchers,
    Peter and the Shadow Thieves and
    Peter and the Secret of Rundoon

    by Ridley Pearson and Dave Barry.

    They're (fairly) new and my 10 year old ate them up. If you get the audio version for your long car trip, the added bonus is that they're read by Jim Dale, the same guy who read the Harry Potter series.

  612. I enjoyed these authors as a child by adsl · · Score: 1

    E. C. Elliot (Books around a central character Kemlo great for pre teens) Arthur C Clarke (any of his books are a great read at ANY age) Ray Bradbury (start with short stories) John Wyndham (books much better than the later films) Also for real fun and nostalgia research into the audios of Journey into SPace from the BBC. By the way your post is a superb way to gain an insight into good fun reading for kids:)

    1. Re:I enjoyed these authors as a child by adsl · · Score: 1

      I neglected to add two absolutely great authors and MUST reads for a kids education (don't tell them that). H. G. Wells and Jules Verne. My other recommendation is that after trying some authors and seeing which your kids like THEY (not you) should take matters intom their own hands and be interactive. They should go to your local library and ask for further suggestions on authors and books similar in style. It's amazing what a resource ones local library can be and they will order books that they don't have in stock! This effectively hooks ones kids into realising what a superb place the local library is and how economical it is. It will also be THEIR discovery, not yours. Perhaps the way to start is to take them to the library and let them join and get a few suggested books in their name. AFter that they can be responsible for that relationship.

  613. Anything by Kilgore Trout by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    If you can find it.

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  614. ender's game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's a "new classic" i also agree with the chronicles of prydain... they were good in middle school. however, you might wanna located the Heinlein compilation called "the past through tomorrow"

    have you shown them 2001 or the first few star trek movies? st IV might be good for em

  615. Let them explore for themselves (be a guide) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From about my preteens up till today I have been naturally drawn to the SCIFI aisle at the library youth and adult books alike ... Perhaps your children would do well to have a tour of that location, with an explanation that some books might not be enjoyable even though they have flashy covers, where as other books with their single color hardcover will be more exciting than previously imagined.

    In short - let them decide, and help them explore this.

    And finally .. if they're not too young for this simple book "How to dig a hole through the earth" ...

  616. Enders Game - or Disc World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enders Game by Orson Scott Card.

    Anything in the Disc World series by Terry Pratchett.

    Anything by Lloyd Alexander.

  617. Heinlein Juveniles & Card by Fished · · Score: 1
    Heinlein published a bunch of Juveniles in the fifties aimed at precisely that age group. Some of the titles (can't remember all) include:
    • Star Beast
    • Have Spacesuit, Will Travel
    • Rocketship Galileo
    • Between Planets
    • Podkayne of Mars (think this was actually published later, has a female protagonist.)

    Also, you might take a look at *some* of Orson Scott Card's stuff. My son (10) loved Ender's game and the "back on earth" followups (Ender's Shadow, etc.)

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    "He who would learn astronomy, and other recondite arts, let him go elsewhere. " -- John Calvin, commenting on Genesis 1
  618. Black Calderon! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    From my childhood:

    Two of the first fantasy book series I ever read:

    Black Calderon - Lloyd Alexander
    Lion Witch and Wardrobe - C.S. Lewis

    One series I read in grade 7 that some might consider "trash" fantasy, but I swear is what got me really interested in reading:

    Dragonlance - Legends Trilogy - Margret Weis and Tracy Hickman

    Science fiction is a bit harder to remember at that age. Two that come to mind are:

    A Wrinkle in Time - Madeleine L'Engle
    Chrysalids - John Wyndham

    I could name off a ton more books both fantasy and science fiction, but those would be my youngest selections.

    1. Re:Black Calderon! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Dragonlance - Legends Trilogy - Margret Weis and Tracy Hickman"

      Being interested in reading crap has no gain over not reading.

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    2. Re:Black Calderon! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Unless I misunderstand, you are saying that reading crap is the same thing as not reading?

      I hope you are only being inflammatory or that I misinterpreted your meaning. Otherwise thats probably one of the most idiotic statements I have heard of in awhile not to mention elitist and pompous.

      If you notice I said "some people" and "might" and also put "trash" in quotes. I think that would indicate that not everybody would consider it so. Also not everybody enjoys reading only heavy novels of critical acclaim. Even among critics and the well read you will get massive deviations of opinion. One's masterpiece of the ages is another's pulp trash.

      Besides we are talking about reading for pre-teens ! You want to get people interested in reading first before you take on the big stuff. Heck I know people who only read magazines or nothing, probably mostly because they never got interested in reading at an early age.

  619. Re:Dark and Cynical? by RebornData · · Score: 1

    I take it you aren't very well-versed in the scripture. The Narnia books go *waaaay* past overtones... they are full allegories, using the bible as the source material for the major themes, stories and characters.

    Just to pick the most blatant example, Aslan's self-sacrifice and rebirth in _The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe_ *is* the death and resurrection of Christ. Just as Christ is beaten, humiliated and forced to wear a crown of thorns, Aslan is taunted, shaved, and abused prior to his. Christ is an innocent, a sinless man willingly sacrificed for the sins of others, just as Aslan is sacrificed for Edmund's misdeeds. The breaking of the stone table is the tearing of the curtains in the temple. For Christians, Christ's death is the event that marks the end of the "laws" of the old testament and a fundamental change in the relationship between humans and God, just as Aslan's death results in the end of the "old laws". And so forth.

    This is just one example of many... the bible is the "DNA" of the entire Narnia series. This was C.S. Lewis' explicit intent... he was writing stories for children that communicated the "truth" of the bible to them in an engaging, highly-accessible way. If you look at his other writings... "Mere Christianity" and "The Screwtape Letters" for example... you'll see that it is entirely appropriate to describe him as a "Christian" author.

    -R

  620. Heinlein - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Farmer in the sky, Star Beast. Then, for non-fiction, Robert Johnson/Martin Caiden "Thunderbolt".

  621. Suggestions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pipedreamergrey says:

    Great discuss starter! Unfortunately, it's hard to answer this question without knowing more about your kids. I've always thought that choosing books was a very personal processes. However, there are a few sure bets out there for the middle school crowd.

    One very good place to start is the Newbery Medal & Honors list. (http://www.ala.org/ala/alsc/awardsscholarships/literaryawds/newberymedal/newberyhonors/newberymedal.cfm) These are tremendously good books hand-picked by people who agonize over the very question you are asking. These books are not only age-appropriate, engrossing, and morally unambiguous, they withstand the test of time. Books that appear on this list from the sixties are still relavent and interesting.

    The American Library Association also has a nice list of reading material, though, I have to say, their list contains a bit "fluffier" material - the books are much more Disney-family-movie-of-the-week-esque. http://www.ala.org/ala/yalsa/booklistsawards/bestbooksya/bestbooksyoung.cfm

    My own favorite read at roughly that age were:

    John Christopher's Tripods series: The White Mountains, The City of Gold and Lead, The Pool of Fire, When the Tripods Came
    Robert Asprin's MythAdventures series: Another Fine Myth, Myth Conceptions, Myth Directions, Hit or Myth, etc. ...
    Susan Cooper's Dark Is Rising series: Over Sea, Under Stone, The Dark Is Rising, Greenwitch, The Grey King, Silver on the Tree
    Lloyd Alexander - The Chronicles of Prydain: The Book of Three, The Black Cauldron, The Castle of Llyr, Taran Wanderer, The High King
    Orson Scott Card's Ender Saga - Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind, Ender's Shadow... ... and of course, anything my Douglas Adams, Pier Anthony, or Terry Pratchet.

    You might also want to look into "vintage" horror and suspense stories. What was considered frightening in the fifties and sixties is just about age appropriate for today's kids, and it makes for a really nice change from material written specifically for children. When I was in middle school, I read a lot of Alfred Hitchcock Presents and Twilight Zone anthologies.

  622. Im mildy annoyed... by SlashDread · · Score: 1

    at parents that pre-screen their kids lit, with qualifacations like "heinlein too dark and cynical".

    Kids, and especially pre-teens are in that age that they WANT to know what is dark and cynical. They WANT to do the things you think are bad for them.

    LET them.

    here is an idea: give them a library card, and weekly visit to browse whatever they want.

    ps, Heinlein was BY FAR my favorite pre-teen author.
    1. Re:Im mildy annoyed... by Hausenwulf · · Score: 1

      I don't think the idea here is to censor what they read, but rather to provide a good starting point for introducing them to sci-fi books.

    2. Re:Im mildy annoyed... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Early Heinlein was great. I don't think I would want my preteen reading about rape, incest and the other 'goodies' of later Heinlein.

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  623. Piers Anthony by kaosfury · · Score: 1

    He has a lot of good books. I would particularly recommend the Incarnations of Immortality series.

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    "Trust that little voice in your head that says 'Wouldn't it be interesting if...' and then do it." - Duane Michals
  624. Stainless Steel Rat! by LineGrunt · · Score: 1
    Wonderful bubble-gum for the mind. Pre-teens will probably groove on the antics of Slippery Jim deGriz, Harry Harison's Stainless Steel Rat...

    From the original publisher's blurb: ...We must be as stealthy as rats in the wainscoting of their society. It was easier in the old days, of course, and society had more rats when the rules were looser, just as old wooden buildings have more rats than concrete buildings. But there are rats in the building now as well. Now that society is all ferrocrete and stainless steel there are fewer gaps in the joints. It takes a very smart rat indeed to find these openings. Only a stainless steel rat can be at home in this environment...

  625. Re:Thomas Covenant series inappropriate, rape scen by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    I was about to say wasn't there rape in the GAP series? Been some time since I read them. I think it was a guy named Thermopyle or something like that. Perhaps I am just confused.

    That said I read the Covenant series when I was pretty young and really liked it.

  626. An Obscure Series. by notadoctor · · Score: 1

    A series of books that I enjoyed reading as a fifth grader was "Jack Anderson's Presents The Young Astronauts" by Rick North. It only had six books as I recall, and I was disappointed that it ended there. Basically, it was about an international program to launch a flotilla of three large spaceships full of teenagers mostly. The ships go on a one way trip to Mars to establish a permanent colony. It has some drama, an interesting international cast of characters, and a poor side attempt at romantic conflict, but on the whole I found it to be an enjoyable piece of semi-realistic sci-fi.

  627. Robot Series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Foundation and some of the others mentioned (like Ender's Game) are for older audiences. But what about Asimov's robot series?

    Give the "The caves of steel". It's about a detective who partners with a robot to solve a crime. It's a great book, I read it when I was a kid and then couldn't stop reading Asimov's books.

  628. Kurt Vonnegut by theimplord · · Score: 1

    Kurt Vonnegut is always a classic, I'm surprised he hasn't been mentioned here yet. Black comedy and science fiction. I remember reading some of his short-stories as a kid and really liking them. They never got me to pick up the novels though. Slaugherhouse-Five and Breakfast of Champions are good and are referenced a lot in later literature.

  629. Kir Bulychev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was a kid I really enjoyed (actually I still do) "Alice: The Girl from Earth" by Kir Bulychev. I 'don't know how good the english translations are, but Kir is one of my favourite authors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kir_Bulychev).

    Also there are some books by Stanislaw Lem which are quite good to read for younger readers.

    I also would always go for the classic authors Verne, Wells, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurd_La%C3%9Fwitz

  630. Old and New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For classics I would suggest anything by Michael Moorcock. I would start with the Swords Trilogy or Elric of Melniboné but mostly because that's where I started. There is a proposed reading order on Moorcock's website http://www.multiverse.org/fora/showthread.php?t=3562.

    For new books you could try Little Brother by Cory Doctrow (www.craphound.com) which is quite good and an easy read.

  631. Re:Overtones by JerSully · · Score: 1

    I, too, found the children-being-miraculously-smart thing a bit too much, but I still thoroughly enjoyed the book. In the edition I got the forward from Card tried to explain it away but I'm not buying it. Erm... Mormon overtones? I was raised Mormon and I didn't see any. Would you have thought that if you didn't know he was Mormon? Perhaps you were looking for the overtones and, as Scott said in the same forward, came away with your own individual interpretation?

  632. Lucky Starr Series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally, as an Anonymous Coward, I always enjoyed Asimov's Lucky Starr series. He actually wrote it with "juveniles," such a librarian term, in mind.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Starr_series

  633. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sexually mature woman seducing little boy, yeah

  634. Science Fiction Hall of Fame - Great Short Stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume One, 1929-1964 is a great anthology of Science Fiction short stories; the best of the best. It is still in print, or you can find it at your public library. There is a Wikipedia article on it.

  635. myst / star gate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    four of my favorite books of all time, the three myst books (yeah based on a video game so what) and star gate (no relation to the movie) by Pauline Gedge. all my other favs have been mentioned (hobbit/lotr, martian chronicles etc)

  636. Re:Dark and Cynical? by metamorphage · · Score: 1

    The creator of the world is tied to a table, sacrificed, and then resurrected. Sounds fairly Christian to me.

  637. Mushroom Planet by Hausenwulf · · Score: 1

    My very first sci-fi was one of the Mushroom Planet books: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Flight_to_the_Mushroom_Planet

  638. Ursula K. LeGuin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...has been missed, if I saw right. She's written some great fantasy novels as well, but the scifi work is what I read first.

  639. Lot's of good responses by morgauo · · Score: 1

    Wow, there's a lot of good ones in there. If your looking for very kid friendly, non-dark stuff did anyone mention the Tom Swift series? Someone mentioned something about what "kids these days" not being interested in certain things. I wouldn't worry about that, expose them to lots of stuff and maybe they will surprise you. If "kids these days" aren't interested in some things maybe it's because they were assumed not to be and so never exposed? I wouldn't worry about the reading difficulty level either. If something is beyond their level they will figure that out themselves and get an easier book the next time. Maybe if they tried some adult sci-fi books they would find they like them and be that much better practiced readers. I know I read lots of books that were beyond my age level as a kid. I'm talking about difficulty, not content, that's for you to figure out as the parent. Just my 2 cents... "Road-trip reading season is upon us"... Have they already begun to read in the car? Or is this a new idea for the kids. I ask because if they aren't already used to this you might want to consider buying some motion-sickness medicine beforehand.

  640. John Varley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything by Varley is honestly-approached, conversationally-written, and overflowing with fascinating ideas, and human interaction. Some of the strongest, most believable female characters in science fiction, and utterly respectful of everyone. He has a recent series of books aimed at younger readers (Red Thunder, etc.) but ALL of his writing is appropriate for younger readers.

  641. Oldies but Goodies by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

    Tom Swift and the Old Hardie Boys series. Almost anything from Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Phol and the other early masters and there are two reasons. Most of the early masters included lots of hard science (they knew what they were talking about) while offering damn good writing that used correct grammar and spelling. Another I'd consider is James P. Hogan as he's in the same sense as the old masters like Asimov and Clarke with lots of hard science behind what he writes and don't forget Tom Clancey and many of the other Techno-thriller writers. It may not be called Sci-Fi but much of what they write about might be possible in the next 10-20 years.

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  642. Kir Bulychev by rastos1 · · Score: 1

    I'm late to this thread but anyway I'd like to recommend several books by Kir Bulychev. Wikipedia is carrying only article about Alice, Girl from the Future but there are several books about "Alice Seleznyova" which is a little girl coming back from future and finding friends in present while trying to hide her abilities that she brought from future from adults ... Unfortunately it does not seem to be well known in English speaking world.

  643. Suggestions by heavilyarmedgorilla · · Score: 1

    Give them some Pratchett, Lloyd Alexander, Brian Jaques et al, but don't forget: -- C. S. Lewis to butter them up for a bit of future religious indoctrination. -- George Orwell (1984 in particular) to show them how the world really works. and some.. -- Philip K. Dick to fuck them up, send them slowly insane and introduce them to the wacky world of curious drugs with all sorts of exotic side-effects...

  644. Two suggestions by sootman · · Score: 1

    Hi there,

    Hope you'll read through all 1000+ comments and find this. :-)

    It's too new to be a 'classic' but I just read Cory Docrorow's Little Brother and thought it was fantastic. I'm in my 30s but it's about teenagers and I think teens would love it. The best part is it is available online as a free e-book.

    Also, Lois' Lowry's The Giver is absolutely fantastic.

    Both are bordering on the light edge of Sci-Fi but they're both great books.

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  645. Re:Heinlein juveniles and others by tylernt · · Score: 1

    Piers Anthony's "Xanth" books

    I have two problems with this recommendation. First, the later Xanth novels (after Piers stopped starving and became rich), suck. Second, Piers is a dirty old man with a preoccupation with underage sex. A young kid, enjoying the Xanth stuff, might then read some of his other stuff and get a pretty screwed up idea of sex.

    Spot on with RAH and Aspirin's Myth books though.

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  646. Basic List by trongey · · Score: 1

    Jules Verne
    H.G. Wells
    Douglas Adams
    Arthur C. Clarke
    Isaac Asimov

    Pretty much in that order. That way you start with well written old-school. Adams provides an invaluable experience in out-of-the-box thinking. Clarke and Asimov take them into real science. I also loved the "Tom Swift" series when I was a kid, but I don't know how well it would play to the XBox crowd.

    Don't forget to throw in some non-geek material, too. The "Happy Holisters" series rocked my world when I was between like 8 and 12.

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    1. Re:Basic List by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Excellent books, many of them poor choices for current pre-teens.
      They need something they can relate to. Wells, and Verne would be unappreciated, at best. They don't fit into current culture well. Many people enjoyed them at latter ages. I am currently rereading 19th century, early 20th century science fiction, and they are awesome, but only if you have some understanding of the period.

      Clarke may be unenjoyable to a modern preteen as well. The risk is that it will turn them off to science fiction.

      Asimov I Robot series would be good, as would HHGTTG

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  647. Books? Or Words? by tillerman35 · · Score: 1

    One thing you might want to ask yourself is whether you want your kids to enjoy Sci-Fi or learn to love words. There is plenty of sci-fi that is fun to read. And then there are short stories and novels that can truly move you, deeply affect your life and remain with you forever. The difference is basically the difference between "a book" and "literature." Both have value. It's great to be able to sit on the porch with a good pulp sci-fi book on a summer's evening and immerse yourself in the struggles of the Lensmen against the evil agents of Boskone. It's even better to read Ray Bradbury's "Dandelion Wine" aloud as a family and find yourself moved to tears at the surprising conclusion. My recommendation: give them both, and make sure you talk about what they've read afterward. A simple "what did you like about it?" at the dinner table can spark a wonderful conversation.

    One thing you absolutely have to do is make this a two-way operation. There's nothing that will kill an emerging reader's joy in words than to have his absolute favorite book pooh-pooh'd by an adult. So if your kid falls in love with with Eragon, by Christopher Paolini then you ought to get out a copy too- and read it carefully so that you can intelligently discuss character, setting, and plot.

    Oh, and please read aloud when the material calls for it. Bradbury, Faulkner and many others wrote words that simply don't deserve to be stuck in ink on a page. If you need convincing, get a copy of The Hallowe'en Tree, by Ray Bradbury. Read a chapter to yourself, then read the next one aloud. You'll hear the difference. The Tale of Despereaux, by Kate DiCamillo, is another example.

    Hopefully I've embedded enough recommendations in there to keep this reply on-topic.

  648. Andre Norton by Hausenwulf · · Score: 1

    One of my early favorites was Andre Norton (our school library had many of her books).

  649. Kid sci-fi recommendations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Tripods by John Christopher. Now available in a boxed set of 4. The first book is actually a prequel that was written later and is not as good as the original three books, but all a must-read for kids.

    "I, Robot" stories by Asimov. Nothing like the movie, good for kids.

    Also, while not sci-fi, Tarzan and Conan series are fun.

  650. Don't forget The Stainless Steel Rat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember reading, and massively enjoying, Harry Harrison's "The Stainless Steel Rat" series as a child. Asimov's robot / three laws short stories were really good, too, although the full novels may be a bit too much.

  651. Jourdelune by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fantasy Medieval for Teen:

    - DragonLance : Those trilogy are so awesomely written, the perfect balance between action/drama/religions/magic/epics conquest all written with a funny touch that will make everybody, at any age be in trance reading them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragonlance_novels

    I would probably read it in that Order:

    The Raistlin Chronicles

            * The Soulforge (January 1998), by Margaret Weis, (ISBN 0-7869-1314-2)
            * Brothers in Arms (August 1999), by Margaret Weis and Don Perrin, (ISBN 0-7869-1429-7)

    The Chronicles Trilogy

            * Dragons of Autumn Twilight (April 1984), Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-88038-173-6)
            * Dragons of Winter Night (April 1985), Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-394-73975-2)
            * Dragons of Spring Dawning (September 1985), Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-88038-175-2)

    Legends Trilogy

            Main article: Dragonlance Legends

            * Time of the Twins (February 1986), by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-7869-1804-7)
            * War of the Twins (May 1986), by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-7869-1805-5)
            * Test of the Twins (August 1986), by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-7869-1806-3)

    And look at this:

    Young Adult Chronicles

    [Note: These novels are adaptions of the original Chronicles Trilogy to a format specifically targeted at young readers. See also the section of Young Adult Readers Novels in this article.]

            * A Rumor of Dragons (June 2003), by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-7869-3087-X)
            * Night of the Dragons (June 2003), by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-7869-3090-X)
            * The Nightmare Lands (October 2003), by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-7869-3093-4)
            * To The Gates of Palanthas (October 2003), by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-7869-3096-9)
            * Hope's Flame (December 2003), by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-7869-3099-3)
            * A Dawn of Dragons (March 2004), by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, (ISBN 0-7869-3102-7)

    I don't know what those books cover... Is it the complete Chronicles Trilogy, or less or more... But I was at 14 years old when I read those "adult" book, but they are so easy and fun to read, it didn't bother me.

    I had read The Foundations or Dunes after the Dragonlance, and to let you know, Azimov is slow and hard reading.... ;) Dragonlance rock all.

    Jourdelune
     

  652. DangerBoy by sjanich · · Score: 1

    How about DangerBoy and its sequels?

  653. Re: E.E. Doc Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never thought of the lensman series in that light.
    The bad guys as you put it, were messing with the gene pool as were the "good guys". The author makes it pretty clear in the beginning that the bad guys are just simply bad, and the good guys just good. The arisians due "breed humans" to kill their enemy, but they don't mess with much else than a small group of humans. I suppose the grey lensman might be scary, but it does save on legal fees, and prison expenses...

  654. everything by Lois McMaster Bujold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    go Miles go...

  655. The Conquerors of the Impossible by Philippe Ebly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are great books. Written for children, they are accessible though not naive, with really compelling stories.

    The stories include travel(s) through time (Roma era, prehistoric times, Da Vinci, etc.), the re-creation of a valley from the dinosaurs' era (The Dawn of the Dinosaurs, one of the best), a guy defrozen from the middle ages, a thinking robot, travel to Mars, etc.

    There is a mix of SF, adventure, and improbable events. I really liked those as a kid.

    Look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fantastic_Conquerors_Series

  656. Jack Vance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of Jack Vance (of course).

  657. Robert Sheckley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Robert Sheckley writes funny and interesting SF.

  658. John Wyndham and John Christopher by hsqueak · · Score: 1

    My father read "Day of the triffids" to me when I was about 9-10. I've read and re-read his books many times since then. John Christopher's "Tripods" series is great for pre-teens. It was also made into a reasonable TV series, except they lost funding and stopped about 2 episodes before the end :(

    Another good one is Heinlein's "Tunnel in the sky". It has only a smidgen of Heinlein politics, but lots of interesting stuff about how society works (or doesn't) and character development, and as it was written for as juvenile fiction it doesn't have graphic sex or violence like some of his later books.

  659. Gordon R Dickson's Childe Cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A series of books looking at the struggle between mans desire and fear of discovery. The series looks at both sides of the story. The antagonist feels that man has gone out amongst the stars to early in its development. While the protagonist is just trying to stop the antagonist while looking for a new avenue of exploration. Unfortunately, most of the books are out of print. I should also warn you the series has no actual ending. It is left off at a sort of stalemate between the two sides.

  660. CM Kornbluth, Marching Morons by cpufrier37075 · · Score: 1

    "His Share of Glory, The Complete Short Science Fiction of CM Kornbluth." Contains the very classic "Marching Morons" which is even more relevant today than in the 1950's. Some of the stories are weak but some are great and thought provoking.

  661. Vance and Tripods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember reading the 'Tripods' series and Jack Vance's "dying earth" books as a kid, and liking them a lot.

  662. Um, Heinlein's "juvies"? by mbourgon · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised you mentioned Starship Troopers, but not any of the Heinlein "juvies" which were specifically written for kids.

    • Rocket Ship Galileo
    • Space Cadet
    • Red Planet
    • Farmer In the Sky
    • Between Planets
    • The Rolling Stones
    • Starman Jones
    • The Star Beast
    • Tunnel In the Sky
    • Time for the Stars
    • Citizen of the Galaxy
    • Have Space Suit Will Travel

    Of these, I'd say Rocket Ship Galileo & Have Space Suit Will Travel should be the first couple. But all of them are perfect for what you're looking for.

    And while not a juvie, I'd also suggest A Door Into Summer, but you should read it first and make sure my memory's not wrong.

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  663. Warning! Warning! by geekoid · · Score: 1

    *Flailing arms*

    What you consider 'great' may not apply to a different generation.
    A hard pill to swallow, but swallow it you must.

    That said, I would try early Heinlein, they can make one think about actual science, albeit in a limited way.

    Alan Dean Foster's books are usually excellent. The Flinx books were ones I enjoyed as a pre-teen.

    Aliens was an awesome adaptation, I enjoyed it as much as the movie.

    I would avoid foisting the classic 'Hard Sci-Fi' on them. Asimov can be good, but I can easily see where you need to be in the right frame of mind to read it. Children will sense when you are forcing something on them and resist. Even just really wanting them to read something can be perceived as forcing to one's children.
    That why I have a few select books just 'lying around'.

    I gave my daughter the 'Daring book for girls'. She likes to read, but wasn't interested. (It's a thick book.). So I just left it out in here room, a few months later and she is reading different parts all the time, and is doing a lot of the things in the book.

    For boys I recommend 'The Dangerous book for boys'.
    My son likes his. He just found it lying around his room one day. Imagine that.

    I would recommend starting to think about books that teach critical thinking. A demon haunted world might be a good book to ahve just lying around the house.

    I'm not sure why you want to limit your kids reading to Sci-Fi selection. There are some excellent fantasy books, like the Bible! ZING!

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  664. Re:Dark and Cynical? by yukk · · Score: 1

    I went to a reading by GRRM. To put it bluntly, in person, he's a sick, twisted fuck. I did read his stories though. There is something to be said for some elements of his style and he is not afraid to do things that other writers shy away from. Saying much more would be a heck of a spoiler. One thing I did find annoying was that he seems to be fond of having dozens of plot-lines running at once and only coming back to finish of half of them.

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  665. Childhood's End by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kids are hopeful. That book is hopeful.

  666. Swanwick and magick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure how borrowing from religion really worsens a work of fiction. Some of the coolest fiction out there has not-so-subtle overtones of Native American, Hindu, Buddhist, Norse, Greek, or a thousand other religions.

    This really sunk in for me when I read Michael Swanwick's The Iron Dragon's Daughter. The book really presumes you know something about the fantasy genre and (particularly the ending) about pagan magic.

    Not having that background, the book made no sense to me. A good novel should get its point across without making the reader look things up - of course, it's always good to have some depth and let the reader explore further, but Swanwick's book seems really pointless unless you've been reading that kind of stuff for years.

  667. John Bellairs by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

    Absolutely everything by John Bellairs.

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  668. What these 2 short story collections by Bradbury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 Books that got me hooked on Science Fiction when I was preteen, 5th or 6th grade if I remember correctly were "R is for Rocket" and "S is for Space"

    "Frost and Fire" and "Sound of Thunder" I recall as 2 that really got me hooked on the whole genre.

  669. Dragon's Egg - Robert L Forward by Zebraheaded · · Score: 1

    This has been my favorite novel since I was about 12. Even though it's got Forward's normal hard sci-fi scattered throughout, it's overall very endearing and a pretty easy read.

    The novel follows the complete evolution of a race of creatures living on the surface of a neutron star. They eventually make contact with humans, but since they live a million times faster than us the contact is problematic.

    It's always been my absolute favorite, and first recommendations to anyone. The sequel, Starquake, is also pretty good, but usually a bit more difficult to find.

  670. A few modern recommendations by sampson7 · · Score: 1

    Like most, I fell in love with SciFi and fantasy at about that age. I never really stopped, and still appreciate these books today. I tend to be more on the fantasy side, but I think they appeal to the same tastes.

    A few modern teen-reading recommendations that I haven't seen listed yet:

    * Garth Nix. His Abhorsen series is stellar -- it includes Sabriel, Lireal and Abhorsen. Shade's Children is good; the Keys to the Kingdom series is mediocre.

    * Any of Robin McKinley's books. I particularly loved (and still love) "The Blue Sword." Also quite good are The Door in the Hedge, Rosedaughter, Beauty, Sherwood and anything else she's written with two important exceptions: Sunshine and Deerskin. Both of these deal with adult themes. Deerskin in particular feautres violent sexual abuse.

    * Raymond E. Feist's "Magician" series -- especially the first two books -- are excellent for more ambitious young readers.

    * Kingdom For Sale by Sword of Shannara author Terry Brooks were quite funny and made a nice easy and engaging intro to this genre.

    The rest of these are okay books -- but they are easy to find and completely age-appropriate:

    * Tamora Pierce's books are all middling-good fantasy books and almost all feature strong female leads.

    * Diana Wynne Jones -- all of her books are also easy age-appropriate (if not ultimately inspiring).

    * Phillip Pullman - His Dark Materials series is another fair-to-middling age-appropriate series.

    Finally, I would be remiss in noting that the Star Trek books are actually quite excellent ways to introduce youngsters to reading. I loved them all when I was that age, and still have all my Blish short serializations sitting proudly on my shelf at home.

  671. Andre Norton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the defined age group, there's a wealth of material by Andre Norton that will fit the bill. Well written and engaging- prerequisites for a road trip of sufficient duration where cannibalism in the back seat becomes a real concern.

    It appears that a large number of responses argue for taking the enforced confinement and transforming it into an opportunity to exercise those juvenile brain cells. I'd argue that analyzing "Stranger in a Strange Land" or "A Canticle for Leibowitz" is an activity best left for home and school. Get them a good story that is engrossing!

    When it comes right down to it, it's your sanity that is the real consideration here. If left to their own devices, the kids will find *something* to entertain themselves with. The upholstery may suffer a fate worse than death in the process, but there it is.

  672. My favorite book as a kid by Zooperman · · Score: 1

    I recommend "The Forgotten Door" by Alexander Key (the author of the original Escape To Witch Mountain). It was one of my favorite sci-fi books when I was a kid, about a young boy who accidentally falls through a dimensional gateway and finds himself on Earth without any memory of who he is. He is then befriended by a kind family as he tries to make it back home. A great book for readers of all ages.

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  673. You people just don't get it by geekoid · · Score: 1

    What YOU read when you are a kids don't cut it. Sorry, you're old welcome to the club. Deal.

    Maybe you should look around at what their friends seems to be reading. Talk to their friends parents and ask. If you find like minded parent, maybe the two of you can happen to leave the same title around so your kids and their friends can read the same thing and talk about it.

    Maybe some of those books will be 50 years old, maybe not.

    If someone could write the same formulaic series of books like Harry Potter, but (IN SPAaace!) I'd be thrilled. Not becasue the Harry Potter books are a wonderful piece of literature(they aren't), but that they got millions of kids interested in reading books hundreds of pages long, it got parents into book stores and libraries.

    I ahve seen so many friends let their excitement over what they read as a child stand in the way of what their child would enjoy. Not becasue they are bad parents or people, just that kids couldn't relate culturally.

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  674. For pre-teens, William Sleator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think most of the books mentioned are really for teenagers. For pre-teens I'd recommend William Sleator. This may betray my age, but I enjoyed a number of his books as a pre-teen in 5th-6th grade. I remember specifically reading Singularity, Intergalactic Pig, and my favorite The Green Futures of Tycho. His writing is simple but his ideas are not.

    More info: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?William_Sleator

    The Owlstone Crown by X. J. Kennedy was another one I remember fondly from that time period, though it's more of a fantasy.

  675. Re:Dark and Cynical? by yukk · · Score: 1

    To follow up my previous post's theme and to agree with you, I'd have to say nobody should be reading this stuff. Except of course I did, and any adult who wants to of course can. While I'm hardly a prude and laugh at the people who say they won't let their kids read anything that may allude to sex, some of the stuff in these books is really nasty, twisted and kinda sick. To be honest though, my parents' library covered the walls of two rooms in our house and I picked up and read anything I wanted from there. If I didn't like it, I didn't read it. I'm certain that as some people have commented, personally, as a kid, I didn't notice/understand or glossed over stuff that may have been beyond me. One doesn't have to understand 100% of the content in a book to enjoy it. In fact, I can honestly say that there are so many things going on in Terry Pratchett books that even now on a second reading I'll recognize that there was stuff I missed on the first reading and yet I still loved it.

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  676. Mad Scientists Club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Mad Scientists Club"

    Its not exactly science fiction, more of the golly-gee-whiz teenagers doing amazing (and improbable) things with science, but it has the science fiction feel to it.

  677. 3 book series' for younger readers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The book series that I enjoyed most when I was younger was defiantly the Ender series by Orson Scott Card (Ender's Game is still my favorite book). Also, while the movie was certainly not all that great, Eragon and Eldest by Christopher Paolini where great books. In addition consider Philip Pullman's Dark Materials trilogy. Most of these books (in my opinion) are geared towards slightly younger readers, but are appealing to all ages and reading levels.

  678. One recommendation by MoeDumb · · Score: 0

    Animal Farm, by George Orwell. Not exactly scifi (neither is C.S. Lewis) but it'll hold them and they'll get smartened up quick.

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  679. Timothy Zahn - Dragonback series by shrikel · · Score: 1

    He's one of my favorite authors, and the recently-finished Dragonback series is written for that age group.

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    1. Re:Timothy Zahn - Dragonback series by cybercat13 · · Score: 1

      Timothy Zahn's "Black Collar" is very good.

  680. Try Space Vulture by abstractzenmaster · · Score: 1

    Space Vulture by Gary K. Wolf and John J. Myers It is a new book written in the classic SF style like lensman and flash gordon. It features a pair of preteen brothers helping out the hero. I lent a copy to my eleven year old niece.

  681. Re:Dark and Cynical? by brasscount · · Score: 1

    Great detail, but if we're trying to avoid dark and cynical a series where everybody dies, is horribly raped, is a victim of incest, or is otherwise somehow destroyed horribly with no glimmer of hope may be a trifle out of scope for the recommendation list.

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  682. I used to love Harry Harrison books as a kid by bigshout · · Score: 1

    The Stainless Steel Rat
    The DeathWorld trilogy
    Star Smashers of the Galazy Rangers.
    and some excellent short story compilations. I think one was called "Two tales and eight tomorrow's" or something similar.

  683. Some suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In all cases, since reading level is such a personal thing, I'd recommend the parent review the book to make sure it's something you are ok with your child reading at their current age. Hope this helps.

    For sci-fi:

    - Asimov's 'The Caves of Steel'
    - Zelazny's 'Lord of Light'
    - Neal Stephenson's 'Snow Crash'
    - Peter F. Hamilton's 'Fallen Dragon'
    - Alfred Bester's 'The Demolished Man'
    - Vernor Vinge's 'A Fire Upon The Deep'
    - Arthur C. Clarke's '2001: A Space Odyssey'
    - Iain M. Banks 'Consider Phlebas'
    - C. J. Cherryh's 'Foreigner'

    For fantasy:

    - Raymond E. Feist's 'Magician'
    - Robin Hobb's 'Assassin's Apprentice'
    - Jim Butcher's 'Furies Of Calderon'
    - Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchett's 'Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch'
    - Brandon Sanderson's 'Mistborn'
    - Guy Gavriel Kay's 'The Summer Tree'
    - Patrick Rothfus's 'The Name of the Wind'
    - Sherwood Smith's 'Inda'

  684. My favorite authors and books by cybercat13 · · Score: 1

    E.E. "Doc" Smith Lensman series of that series I enjoyed "Spacehounds of the IPC".
    Jerry Pournelle's "Exiles to Glory"
    Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat series.
    David Webber's "Path of the Fury" and "Empire from the Ashes". "Empire from the Ashes" is a complete edition of three earlier books "Mutineer's Moon", "The Armageddon Inheritance" and "Heirs of Empire".

  685. After I got into MIT ... by peter303 · · Score: 1

    I reread Have Spacesuit and recognized the irony. The book must have been rattling around my subconsious as a teenager.

  686. Harry Potter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dont know if this is still on the lines you were considering, but I know that Harry Potter series is popular for all ages.

  687. Why Sci fi only? by rgviza · · Score: 1

    Focusing on one genre is silly for kids that age.

    I'd get them on Jonathan Swift(Gullivers Travels) or Washington Irving(essays like Wouter van Twiller and novels like Legend of Sleepy Hollow), Ray Bradbury (irritated people is awesome for kids).

    These guys really captured my imagination when I was that age and I ended up devouring everything I could find by them. A mini game for me was looking up what words like capricious meant as I read them.

    On trips with such books, I'd while away the hours reading and looking strange words up.

    My dad had boxes full of pulp sci fi short story books from the 50's and 60's and that's where I got introduced to Asimov and Bradbury. I read every one cover to cover many times and never really got sick of them. As you can imagine, they were falling apart and I had to be careful not to split them on every page turn.

    If you can find reprints of these things they are littered with short stories by the greats.

    Maybe some of it was a little mature for me at the time, but it's not like it destroyed my innocence and turned me into a psycho or something.

    People are way too protective of kids when it comes to great literature. Overtly violent stuff (like the Running Man, Lord of the Flies etc) is probably not a good thing, but mature undertones shouldn't set you off. Repression leads to overcompensation ;)

    I read 1984, Lord of the flies, and animal farm when I was 13. In retrospect, those were a little intense for my age but made a huge impression on me. Human nature is simply scary... Books that deal with that type of reality are best left for late teens.

    -Viz

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  688. ehhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get them a Nintendo DS, and let the brain-rotting begin.

    Seriously, though:

    A) Video games aren't a bad thing, provided there is some good logic-teaching in there (learning complex systems in Real-time Strategy games, for example).

    B) Let your kids read books with an adult edge that are thought provoking, maybe even socially or politically. That's excellent for them, as they'll have some ammo for the conversation with their friends when it gets good a few years down the road.

  689. Less known books that stand up to the test of time by teya · · Score: 1

    My first, and one of my favourite, Heinlein book was Podkayne of Mars. I would also recommend Citizen of the Galaxy, The Door into Summer, Have Spacesuit Will Travel, and Tunnel in the Sky for pre-teen boys.

    Emergence, by David R. Palmer should be back in print next year at the same time as its sequel is coming out. It is my favourite book of all time and especially good for intelligent children who like adventure and independence.

    Other less-known classics I enjoyed as a child:

    • John Wyndham - The Chrysalids
    • Dorothy Madlee and Andre Norton - Star Ka'at
    • Willo Davis Roberts - The Girl with the Silver Eyes
    • William Sleator - Interstellar Pig, The Boy Who Reversed Himself
    • Sharon Lee and Steve Miller - Liaden Universe (Space Opera is a must for teenage boys)
    • Lois Lowry - The Giver
    • Steven Gould - Wildside, Jumper
  690. Terry Pratchett's Bromeliad trilogy by antikas · · Score: 1

    Hi,

    I'm sure someone must have already mentioned Jules Verne, so let me introduce you to the lesser known works of a best selling author: Terry Pratchett.

    TP is well known as the creator of the Discworld comic fantasy books (which are on my top list of reccommendation for adults) but has also written a few less known children's books, both in the Discworld and unrelated to it.

    The Bromeliad trilogy is a a seried of 3 books (Truckers-Diggers-Wings) about the Nomes, a 4 inch tall ET tribe that's shipp wrecked in Earth and forgets about its history.

    The books are very fun to read, but also beneficial for children as they discuss allegorically quite deep philosophical questions.

    There's plenty more info on the Bromeliad trilogy, as well as TP's other works on wikipedia.

    On a side note, TP's not strictly SciFi books such as 'The amazing Maurice and his educated cats' and the 'Wee Free Men' trilogy are also really good books for children and adults alike. Not to mention that the Discworld series is by far the most enjoyable read I've had for years!

  691. Suggestions by mwburden · · Score: 1

    Some that I haven't seen mentioned already

    James Blish: The "Cities in flight" series

    Edgar Rice Burroughs: John Carter of Mars series

  692. Earthsea Series + The Chronicles of Prydain by jaqen · · Score: 1
    For younger readers, the Lloyd Alexander series, The Chronicles of Prydain are fantastic. I didn't read them until I was much older, and I regretted it. It definitely got me hooked on fantasy (even more than Tolkein). In order, these are:
    • The Book of Three
    • The Black Cauldron (Winner of the 1966 Newbery Honor)
    • The Castle of Llyr
    • Taran Wanderer
    • The High King (Winner of the 1969 Newbery Medal)
    • The Foundling and Other Tales from Prydain
  693. Dr. Who Novelizations + more by greyfeld · · Score: 1
    I would highly recommend all of the Dr. Who Novelizations, especially from the early Doctors that dealt with a lot of historical content from the Aztecs to the Trojan Horse. The newer ones are a little more racy/violent, but the early ones are definitely G - PG material. Check your local library as I've found them there.

    Other recommendations from what I was reading at that age include:

    The Riddle Master trilogy by Patricia McKillip
    The Sword of Shanara trilogy by Terry Brooks
    The Best of Jack Williamson
    The Best of Frederick Pohl

    You might also check your local library for when they are going to have their annual/semi-annual Friends of the Library book sale. I've found that on the last day you can usually get a ton of old Sci-Fi paperbacks cheap on bag day.

  694. Re:Heinlein or Outland? Sheesh by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    None of them even fit the genre (unless you count the Bloom County voyages of the "Enterpoop", that is.)

    "Spaceman Spiff" on line one. He sounds pissed.

  695. Haven't seen it mentioned... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    For fun fantasy, I fondly remember Jane Yolen's "Dragon's Blood" series.

  696. Spaceship Under The Apple Tree. by JrOldPhart · · Score: 1

    Thank you for reminding me of that. I had that read to me as a child then read it over and over myself.

    That made me smile on an otherwise bleak day.

    Great starter story.

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  697. My 2 cents by ShadoeKnight · · Score: 1

    I see tons of really great ideas here, the only one I haven't seen, and I'm sorry if you're one of the 1000 or so I didn't read, is Terry Brooks. Personally I feel every budding sci-fi reader should be exposed to Ender's Game that's a given. I also feel that the short stories of Issac Assimov and his contemporaries are good. Short stories are especially good road trip material since they are you know...short. Here's a list of novels and writers: 1) Ender's Game 2) Anything by Terry Brooks, I mean it,...anything 3) Arthur C. Clarke 4) Short stories from Issac Assimov 5) Dune, one of the greatest stories ever written 6) Dragonlance Chronicles, its where my fantasy reading began 7) The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, I started these at 10 8) Many of the recommendations I've seen on this list, seriously a lot of the posts here have some extraordinary suggestions. But most of all whatever you do, let them find their own way. Suggest don't force. Experimenting with sci-fi and fantasy literature is always rewarding and most definitely worth it.

  698. Ben Bova by GNUThomson · · Score: 1

    Ben Bova's series "Grand tour". If you haven't read it, it's a great very real story about our solar system colonization, starting with Moon base, ten first manned mission to Mars, etc. No forcefields, subspace, magic buttons resolving everything. Just something that may actually happen in 30-50 years. (in 20, if you believe NASA talk).

  699. Riddlemaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Riddlemaster trilogy (or trilogy of the stars)

    Riddlemaster of Hed
    Heir of Sea and Fire
    Harpist in the wind

    By Patricia McKillip

    A wonderful trilogy accessible to young people

  700. do not go for new style writers... by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    and don't go for any writer who has written a book made into a movie by walden media.

    stick to the straight sci-fi. Heinlein, Asimov, Gibson, Gaiman, Dick.

    if you want to try something new, try for Drew Karpyshyn.

    a love of sci-fi should really begin with something old fashioned. It sparks imagination and appreciation for current technology.

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  701. Re:Heinlein or Outland? Sheesh by rah1420 · · Score: 1

    Yikes, I'm in trouble now. Who knows what Hobbes will do when Spiff gets dissed?

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  702. Children of the Dust by malilo · · Score: 1

    I had to apply to book sleuth to find this one, but I loved it around 8th grade:

    I'm pretty sure you're remembering Children of the Dust by Louise Lawrence.

    "Nuclear missiles are flying toward their targets. One family is separated: the father finds his way to an underground shelter while his wife and three children seal themselves in their living room. But only Catherine, the eight year old, stays completely inside, away from radiation, hiding under a blanket-covered table. And only she will survive. Her older sister, before she dies, takes Catherine to Johnson, an eccentric survivalist. Meanwhile, in a government bunker, Bill Harnden, the father, mates and has another daughter, Ophelia. As the years pass, a few survivors try to establish an agricultural foundation for a new society above ground, while in the shelter machines preserve a society unable to function in a new world. When the leaders of the shelter decide to commandeer the livestock of the outsiders, Bill and Ophelia go to warn them. In Johnson's camp, now a small village, Bill finds that his daughter Catherine is the mother of the first of a new breed of genetic mutants who are covered with fine white fur and have strange white eyes and psychic abilities. By the next generation, it is clear that the society underground cannot last, and Ophelia's son Simon must establish a bond with 'homo superior, the children of the dust' so that technological knowledge is not lost forever."

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  703. Not all Heinlein is dark... Try these by KC7GR · · Score: 1

    There are a number of Heinlein's novels that were aimed at the young-adult-to-adult category. Some of my favorites are:

    'Have Space Suit, Will Travel.' This is my top pick. Best of all, there's a full-cast audio edition available that's nothing short of a radio play. Outstanding stuff!

    Some of my other favorites from Heinlein, though not necessarily available (yet) on audio, are: "Starman Jones," "Rocket Ship Galileo," "Space Cadet," "Between Planets," "Red Planet," "Farmer in the Sky," and "The Puppet Masters."

    Others have suggested Anne McCaffrey's works. There are lots of good books from her, true, though I have to say I'm not fond of what I see as a downgrade in quality of writing from her over the last decade or so. If you're going after her stuff, I highly recommend the earlier works, notably the earlier 'Dragonriders' books. Of those, two of my all-time favorites are "The White Dragon" and "The Dolphins of Pern."

    I would also strongly recommend the "Inheritance" trilogy from Chris Paolini. The first book in the series, "Eragon" (and the book, BTW, was orders of magnitude better than that horrid excuse for a movie which has, thankfully, faded to obscurity) lays the groundwork. The second, "Eldest," picks up where it leaves off. The third and final one in the series, "Brisingr," is coming Sep. 20th of this year.

    There are a couple of lesser-known authors that I went bonkers over as a kid, and I still re-read them to this day. If you can find a book club edition of "The Roads of Heaven," by Melissa Scott, do so. If not, there are three books in her "Silence Leigh" series: "Five-Twelfths of Heaven," "Silence in Solitude," and "Empress of Earth."

    If your youngsters are interested in the ocean and its inhabitants, at least one lesser-known author I would recommend is Carl Biemiller. He did a trilogy called "The Hydronaut Adventures" that I found to be a terrific read.

    Yet another recommendation (I'm just full of them today) I'd make is the books of James Schmitz who, sadly, is no longer with us. However, he left us a marvelous legacy in the form of wonders like "The Witches of Karres" and the Telzey Amberdon stories.

    One of my all-time favorites from Schmitz is a book called "The Demon Breed." Among its other endearing characters, it features a pair of oversize, sentient, mutant otters.

    Oh! One more... If you can locate a copy of Edward Ormondroyd's "David and the Phoenix," grab it!

    There's probably others I'll think of after I hit "submit," but I think you'll have a pretty good start with this. As for getting the books, many of which are out of print, you would do well to search Powell's Books, as well as abebooks.com, a wonderful site that links together literally thousands of new and used book dealers.

    Happy reading!

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  704. Try Jack McDevitt by BlueBat · · Score: 1
    Try Jack McDevitt with the books
    • A Talant for War

    ,

    • Polaris

    , and

    • Seeker

    . They are good books and I have enjoyed them immensely. I just turned 40 so I don't know if a teenager would enjoy them but if they enjoy Science Fiction, then I think that they will enjoy these. When I was a teenager, I enjoyed the books that people would tell me were for adults. Most people underestimate what a teenager would be able to handle and therefore discount a great many possibilities. If you enjoyed a book, most likely so would a younger reader.

  705. Good books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hyperion series from Dan simmons
    Everything from Isaac Asimov and No i dont think kid will snob the writer or that the stories are not actual,,,it's sci-fi.
    Any Star trek books or Star wars books.

  706. Anonymous Coward Says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one seems to have mentioned the Tripods series, can't remember the author but I read it was a kid and enjoyed it. Can't remember there being anything X-rated, but it is a kids' book as I recall.

    1. Re:Anonymous Coward Says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > No one seems to have mentioned the Tripods series

      Dude, the Tripods were mentioned over 20 TIMES before you posted!

      Why don't you try *reading* the comments before you post?

  707. Robert Asprin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of my first and favorite Sci-Fi/Fantasy books were the works of Robert Asprin. Specifically the Phule's Company Series, and the M.Y.T.H. Inc. series. These are lighthearted and fun books that are easy to read and provide a good intro to the Genre.

  708. David Brin -- Uplift books and "Earth" by jmbrauny · · Score: 1

    Sundiver, Star Tide Rising, Brightness Reef, Heaven's Reach. Earth is probably one of his best books.

  709. Andre Norton and Lawrence Watt-Evans by the+stapler · · Score: 1

    While I recommend Andre Norton because I really enjoyed her books when I was a kid, I think it really depends on your young readers. My great grandfather was a mill worker and his evening entertainment was to read paperbacks. We inherited boxes and boxes of books from him with all kinds of westerns, fantasy and sci fi. I really enjoyed Andre Norton, and as others have mentioned I'd also suggest Clarke and the Fuzzy series.

    I think it will really depend on what your kids like. I would recommend anything but the horror books (I just don't like horror, but his fantasy and sci-fi are lots of fun) from Lawrence Watt-Evans as well.

    These days, you might just take them to the young adult section of your library and ask the librarian what is popular. If you have a good library like the one here in Corvallis OR that has been blessed by a good selection of manga, you can try out a few of those also. I think Hikaru no Go is a good all-ages title, though not sci-fi. I'd be conscious too about finding something they can share with their friends - that can make reading even more fun. That is a big part of why Harry Potter caught on, IMHO.

  710. All good.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The suggestions so far as ALL great. I read pretty much everything suggested so far by the time I finished high school (except for the stuff not written yet - I was into SciFi, but hadn't yet perfected time travel).... I would double up on all the earlier Heinlein catalog (the latter stuff like Number of the Beast is definitely not for pre-teens). I would add "Wrinkle in Time" to the fantasy stuff, though probably not the others in the series. Gotta go with the Foundation books (at least the first 3), I Robot, and LOTR (I read the covers off a set by the time I could drive). I might add Harry Harrison - the Stainless Steel Rat books, the Deathworld books... There are SOOOOO many...

    Don't avoid something cause you think it's too dry or too dark and cynical. Trust your kids to figure that stuff out.

  711. Edgar Rice Burroughs and Douglas Hill! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything by Edgar Rice Burroughs is great, John Carter of Mars (normal human becomes superhuman on Mars) and the Land That Time Forgot (dinosaurs!) series come to mind.

    A great series starts with a book called Exiles of Colsec by Douglass Hill, there's 3-4 books in there for them to read. He also wrote an awesome series starting with Galactic Warlord.

    If they are starting to get a little older, some of the Xanth novels and the series that starts with Dragon's Gold (both by Piers Anthony) are pretty good. Also, Terry Brooks has written some great stuff, but I would stick with the older ones at their age, the newer ones can be somewhat disturbing.

  712. couple of recommendations not listed that I can se by m0nkyman · · Score: 1

    Stanislaw Lem - The Cyberiad
    John Brunner - Shockwave Rider

    They aren't the top of the list, but they should be mentioned.

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  713. Douglas Adams by CannedTurkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    * The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (1979) * The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (1980) * Life, the Universe and Everything (1982) * So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish (1984) * Mostly Harmless (1992)

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  714. Archetypes, boys, and books by profaneone · · Score: 1

    IIRC, here is an article that discusses finding books for boys in an attempt to keep them interested in reading. [I presume that there is an analogous paper on girls.] It is based on matching the personality of the boy and the archetype of the protagonist in the book (Subscription or purchase required :( or try the library)

    http://www.reading.org/Library/Retrieve.cfm?D=10.1598/RT.61.2.2&F=RT-61-2-Zambo_2.html

    "The Reading Teacher : October 2007 : Using Picture Books to ...
    Using Picture Books to Provide Archetypes to Young Boys: Extending the Ideas ... help you identify and select additional titles that address each archetype. ..."

    Finding the right archetype in sci-fi might take them further down the path you are wishing for them :)

    Oh yeah.. and 1 more vote for the 3rd Tom Swift series that I read when I was 10 and 11 yrs old.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Swift#Third_Tom_Swift_series_.281981-1984.29

  715. Re:Heinlein juveniles and others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Other good ones include Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books

    Second that -- I suspect they're not nearly as widely known as they deserve to be. I discovered them by accident: my parents, both voracious SF readers, didn't even know of them.

  716. Voting Eddings as well by KnightElite · · Score: 1

    David Eddings' novels were some of the first I read when I was younger (likely the 9 to 12 age range) and I quite enjoyed them. I still don't mind them now, though they're a little bit simplistic compared to other novels I read now. I would suggest starting with "The Belgariad."

  717. Written for Pre-teens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Airborn and its sequel Skybreaker

    Great fun in a steampunk world where airships rule.

    Author is Kenneth Oppel. Third book about a year away, I understand.

  718. Christian Overtones by wonkavader · · Score: 1

    To miss the Aslan/Jesus stuff and say it's just you putting the overtones in is to admit to some very fast skimming or some significant lack of inspection into the Christian culture around you.

  719. A good series that is seldom mentioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever by Stephen R. Donaldson

  720. Why not Michael Moorcock or a Magazine by indytx · · Score: 1
    Why not try Moorcock's Eternal Champion books? I read the first six Elric novels when I was 11 or 12 sitting in the back seat during a long car trip and loved them. If your kids like them, there are quite a few Eternal Champion books out there, and they're good introductions to sci-fi/fantasy.

    On a related note, why not subscribe to a magazine like Asimov's Science Fiction? There's a great deal of variety there that your kids could like, and you could discovery some new writers as well.

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  721. Verne and Heinlein by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

    The early Heinlein books were written for younger readers later he targeted adults.

    But don't forget Jules Verne. From the Earth to the Moon, 10,000 leagues under the sea, and the Center of the Earth and so on. I likely have the titles wrong

  722. Midnight At The Well Of Souls by JrOldPhart · · Score: 1

    Jack L. Chalker
    Fun story lots of action. Sort of a Sci-Fantasy.
    Plus a bunch of sequels.

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  723. Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um,where's the Jules Verne in this list? Time Machine, 10,000 leagues under the sea, the list goes on. All of them are wonderful stories for the pre-teen enthusiast.

    His works are some of the foundations all current Sci-Fi is based on. If anything, reading them will ruin the plots of too many movies and books for your boys (-:

  724. Tom Swift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if these books are still in print but I remember reading about Tom Swift's space adventures when I was a young.

  725. ArtTheProfessor by ArtTheProfessor · · Score: 1

    Star Conquerors By Ben Bova Ann McCaffery (sp) has already been recommended I read the Foundation serious before it was fully complete but found it good at the 15+ level The StarTrek The Original Series has lots to read that are very light and perfect for the younger crowd...

  726. Book Difficulty by Dave+the+Barbarian · · Score: 1

    Being probably one of the youngest here and going through that phase myself I think that I should pass comment. When I was first getting into reading I also began with the Sci-Fi / Fantasy area. Having heard many good things about the Lord of the Rings and Terry Pratchett novels, I attempted to read them. However, I found them too difficult, despite having a 'reading age' well above my actual age. I instead found books such as the Animorphs series, and Harry Potter and so on to be much more on my level. Books such as these do a lot more to excite the reader on every page and it is because of this that I found them to be better.. I then moved onto 'more advanced' books such as the Lord of the Rings later on. So to sum up, consider the 'difficulty' of the book itself. Lord of the Rings & Terry Pratchett books are not an easy read for a youngster, although the Hobbit and the Bromeliad book series are suitable entry level books into the worlds of Tolkein and Pratchett.

  727. Fantasy books by C_Kode · · Score: 1

    * Legend of Huma (Dragonslance) Richard A Knaak (One of the best fastasy books ever written)
    * The entire "Legend of Drizzt" series (Forgotten Realms) R. A. Salvatore (The best single series of fantasy books ever written)
    * Any Warcraft/World of Warcraft books. (though my favortie is probably Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden)
    * Diablo (Blizzard Entertainment) books are pretty good, but Moon of the Spider is a great book. (another Richard A. Knaak book)

  728. Re: NOT Jules Verne, but ERB by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

    The Doug McClure film you are referencing is an adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs' "At the Earth's Core" not Jules Verne's "Journey to the Center of the Earth." "At the Earth's Core" was the first book in Burrough's Pellucidar series about an advanced civilization that lives inside the "Hollow Earth" which launched any number of conspiracy theories, as well as a cross-over book, "Tarzan At the Earth's Core."

  729. Dune and Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of the novels I read back in my pre-teen days were Dune and Ender's Game. I'm assuming they have already been mentioned above, just adding another AC's point of view and adding the nth opinion to the topic.

  730. Harry Harrison / Stainless Stee Rat by Woodstock · · Score: 1

    I can't believe that this series hasn't been mentioned yet! Great light sci-fi reading, I enjoyed as a teen. I also concur with the Alvin Maker series. I'll second Madeline L'Engle and Usrula K. LeGuin's fantasy books, too. I read Douglas Adams as a young teen, and enjoyed them, though I missed out on half the content. ;)

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  731. Re:Harry Harrison / Stainless Steel Rat by Woodstock · · Score: 1

    Grrr.. Looks like my keyboard is missing an 'l' somewhere. ;)

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  732. Like water, kids seek their own level by BlueZombie · · Score: 1

    I would never hand anyone under 20 a copy of the original Conan. But in general the idea of letting them pick their own books out is a great idea. My parents bascially dropped me off in the young adult section of the library and told me where to meet them later. They didn't ham-handedly steer me towards any particular titles or authors. Though they would occaisionally toss something my way to see if I picked it up. That was how I found out about I Robot by Asimov, and The Martian Chronicles. Reading "above my level" about "mature topics" (ie: sex) motivated me a bit as well. As a kid I devoured books I felt I wasn't supposed to read. When my dad caught me with "Pissing in the Snow and other Ozark Folktales" (delightfully raunchy) his response was basically "let me know if you have any questions." I remember being disappointed that all my time sneaking peeks at it hadn't been necessary. Kids develop at vastly different rates, too, so when one kid may be ready for Tom Swift another the same age might prefer a good Jack McDevitt novel.

  733. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chronicles of Narnia wasn't an allegory. Lewis himself stated they weren't. Instead, he says they were "suppositionals."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicles_of_Narnia#Christian_parallels

    Also, they're some of my favorite books of all time and, being atheist, I love them :)

  734. 2 words. by Forge · · Score: 1

    Doctor Who

    That is all.

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  735. Correct. Thomas Covenant series is for later. by solprovider · · Score: 1

    "Stephen R. Donaldson - Mordant's Need (fantasy), then Gap series (SF). Covenant series for late teens."

    Most people only remember Donaldson for the Convenant series. I suggested saving that series for much later. The two books of Mordant's Need and most of his short stories are much lighter and would be suitable for just-become-teenagers (13yo) after reading Rosenberg killing main characters. The Gap series is darker and probably suitable around 15; the style and plot twists are good writing. The Covenant series is for 17+; Donaldson would have been much later in the list without the comment. I dislike dry longwinded writing and would not have mentioned Covenant if the series was not almost mandatory for Fantasy creds.

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  736. The Phantom Tollbooth by Clever7Devil · · Score: 1

    Surfing on the Blackberry, so don't really know if this got mentioned. Fantastic for readers of any age, but targetted to chitlins.

    The Redwall series by Brian Jacques is fantastic youth fantasy as well.

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  737. Hugo and Nubula Award Winners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I first started getting interested in SciFi books at about 12 my mother gave me a list of past Hugo and Nebula award winners dating back to the 50's. Its a great way for someone (not just kids) new to the genre to get a sampling of great SF. Then they can pick their favorite authors and start digging into their other works. Some highlights from the list that I loved as a teenager were Enders Game (mentioned above), Forever War, Dune, and Neuromancer.

  738. Raymond Feist by solprovider · · Score: 1

    "I find the absence of Raymond Feist puzzling"

    Feist's "Magician" is awesome, but I stopped reading after a dozen books. I deliberately excluded long-winded fantasy: David Eddings, Raymond Feist, Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time, and Terry Brooks' Shannara. I assumed that the boys would be forced to read Tolkein -- that's enough of that genre unless the children really like it. If they did, they could easily find similar material. This list was designed to encourage reading with more action and less descriptive passages. I probably should have excluded Terry Goodkind as part of this genre, but while the plots slow as the series progresses, the writing never gets quite boring enough to qualify (IMO).

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  739. Little Brother. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just finished reading Little Brother from Cory Doctorow and it is a great book.. Check it out..

  740. Re:Heinlein juveniles and others by Cadallin · · Score: 1

    And RAH was a dirty old man with a preoccupation with incest. What's your point?

  741. Jerry Pournelle by Kawika42! · · Score: 1

    Starswarm by Jerry Pournelle is a great read for kids (or anyone.)

  742. Tom Swift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It occurs to me that the Tom Swift series are missing from this discussion. These made quick reads when I was young, so I chewed through the dozen or two on the library's shelf fairly quickly.

    The grammatical misstep above is intentional; there are multiple series in the franchise, and I liked most the third series (as noted on the obligatory wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Swift )

  743. Sir MacHinery ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tom McGowen (Author)
    Trina Schart Hyman (Illustrator)
    Hardcover: 155 pages
    Publisher: Follett (1970)
    Language: English
    ISBN-10: 0695801678
    ISBN-13: 978-0695801670

  744. Newer series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rick Riordan's Percy Jackson series (Lightning Thief, Sea of Monsters, Titan's Curse, Battle of the Labyrinth).

  745. Halo: The Fall of Reach by odin84gk · · Score: 1
    http://www.amazon.com/Fall-Reach-Halo-Eric-Nylund/dp/0345451325/ref=sr_1_41?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215630599&sr=8-41

    The game and the book are related, but artistically independent.

    It is a sci-fi twist on the Spartan warrior story. Kids are taken away and trained, augmented with technology, and then defends humanity against overwhelming odds. They are easier to read (think star wars kind of difficulty), but a very enjoyable.

    Note: If you do go along these lines, Don't bother with "The Flood".

  746. options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have Spacesuit Will Travel - My first
    Many Juvenile Heinliens and Asimovs., etc.
    Any Asimov Robots series.
    Andre Norton Star Man,
    And of course the great ones mentioned above.

  747. The tripods are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Tripod Trilogy (The White Mountains, The City of Gold and Lead, and The Pool of Fire) by John Christopher were ones that my mother got me when I was a young teenager and I loved them. There were only three books in the series when I read them and a prequel was added a few years ago and it's as good as the original three (they can be found in a boxed set on Amazon under the moniker "The Tripod Series"). I read them all again two years ago and still loved them. They are really easy reads but are excellent books.

  748. Asimov's Lucky Starr series is for teens by curri · · Score: 1

    Asimov wrote a series for teens where the hero is Lucky Starr. Wrote a couple as a kid and loved them. Also, many of his short stories are good for kids (there are probably a couple of antologies for kids)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Starr_series

  749. Re:Overtones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I think the problem with Card is that between devising his scientology-grade alternate reality, composing tedious theological musings and teaching me Portugese, he frequently forgets that there's a story to tell. I loved Ender's Game, but reading the piggy arc slowly drained my will to live. I gave up on him after that.

    I sincerely agree with you about Goodkind, though. I only managed to finish the first book.

  750. Fond memories of... by DavidHumus · · Score: 1

    Everything by Lois McMaster Bujold
    Ben Bova's "Dueling Machine" and others
    Lloyd Biggle, Jr.'s "The Still, Small Voice of Trumpets"
    Zelazny's "Amber" series
    (hard to find) novels by Jean and Jeff Sutton
    Keith Laumer's "Retief" series
    early Robert Silverberg
    Bradbury's "The Illustrated Man"
    The Kuttner and Moore books from the fifties
    Any short-story collection edited by H. L. Gold (also 1950s-60s)

    Later on, Norman Spinrad, especially "The Last Hurrah of the Golden Horde".

    My daughter loved Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" when she was, maybe, ten.  I re-read it after she had finished it and was surprised at all the Libertartian politics, none of which I remembered from reading it as a youth.

  751. A mix of Sci-fi and Fantasy authors by Banichi · · Score: 1

    David Brin: Sundiver, Startide Rising, The Uplift War.

    Iain M. Banks: Consider Phlebas, Culture series.

    Anne Mccaffery: The ship who Sang, Brain and Brawn Ship series.

    Martha Wells: Death of the Necromancer, Ile-Rien series.

    Janny Wurts: Curse of the Mistwrath, The Wars of Light and Shadow series.

  752. Stuff I remember reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The stuff from Samuel Youd (aka John Christopher) like "The Tripods" and "The death of grass" was an excellent read. I even think that the Grass novel was a prescribed school reading book for me.

    Also memorable were
    Day of the Triffids - John Whyndam
    Hitchhikers Guide to the galaxy
    Most of Ben Bova's modern series

    If your kids are enjoying those, try picking up one of the books from the masterworks series
    http://www.sfsite.com/lists/orion04.htm

  753. Re: E.E. Doc Smith by a_resnikoff · · Score: 1

    The Arisians bred for increased intellect and moral certitude, making the "master race" of Lensmen - the ultimate boy-scouts. Taken to an extreme - someone who is totally 'moral' and guided by a aeons old civilization's mores - will hold all of the society that they have been charged with policing to a higher standard. For those who obey the rules (even those with "bad" or normal genetics) its no problem to live in this universe. For the rule breakers - they are in for a bad time. i.e. having 'bad' or normal genes wasn't a death sentence.

  754. Myth Series & Stainless Steel Rat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Robert Asprin's "Myth" series. Lot's of parody like Terry Pratchett, but less references to current events that might escape young readers. His "Phule" series is also quite good.

    Harry Harrison's "Stainless Steel Rat" series is also quite fun if you enjoy anti-heroes.

  755. Asimov, Niven, Heinlen all wrote books for teens by Pontiac · · Score: 1

    For kids all 3 have some great offering..

    All 3 wrote some great short stories.. Get the Short story collection books.. Niven's Neutron Star is a good one.. There are loads from all 3.. Asimov the robot stories collections.. Also the Asimov Lucky Star series (writen as Paul French) is good if you can find copies.. Used book stors will be your best bet for any of these.

    Look for the early works from the 50's and 60's They were all writing for the pulp sci-fi rags and targeting the teen crowd.

    Also look for Heinleins "The Rolling Stones" or "Have SpaceSuit Will Travel"
    Both are about teen boys.

    If you want to throw Tolken into the mix start with The hobbit.

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  756. Asimov baby yeah! (bad teeth omitted) by billrad · · Score: 1

    Hmm, how about Isaac Asimov and any of the I Robot books, or his Lucky Starr novelettes - David Starr, Space Ranger. I wish I could find and reread them myself.

  757. What's wrong with dark and cynical? by godless+dave · · Score: 1

    I don't understand why the poster would want to sheild pre-teens from darkness and cynicism. What a strange attitude.
    But to answer the questions, I'd suggest just about anything by Andre Norton.

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  758. My Teacher is An Alien series by mikesum · · Score: 1

    I liked My Teacher is an Alien series by Bruce Coville. Link to all the small books in one big book. http://www.amazon.com/Teacher-Alien-Collectors-Bruce-Coville/dp/0671035711/

  759. Planet Builders (Robin Tallis) by fearadhach · · Score: 1

    10 book series, fairly short, written for teenagers. They are out of print and kinda hard to find, but they are wonderfully written SF, and great for that age group. I read them at about that age, and could hardly put them down. I checked once and was able to find them on Amazon. Failing that, you might be able to find soft-copies.

  760. Dark RAH by fm6 · · Score: 1

    Starship Troopers and some of the other Heinlein are definitely darker and more political than I remember...

    Now that you mention it, Heinlein is pretty dark in almost everything he wrote. Why does that make him unsuitable for teenagers? Adolescence can be pretty dark: you're going through a lot of changes, you spend a lot of time defining and experimenting with your identity, you self image is on a roller coaster. And last but certainly not least, you've just entered that emotional minefield commonly known as Sex.

    I can't think of an SF writer better able to connect with teenagers than Heinlein. The political rants in books like Starship Troopers and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress may make some adults tear their hair out, but it's just the thing when you're 15 and want to know How to Fix Things. Actually, adolescence is the best time to enjoy Heinlein, before you get all sophisticated and impatient with his unnuanced view of life.

    That said, I'd avoid anything he wrote from 1970 (I will Fear No Evil) on. This is when he got all experimental, and also started ignoring his editors. (Judging from the typos in the first edition of Time Enough For Love, he probably tried dispensing with them altogether!) The result is a lot of rambing, bloated work that is guaranteed to bore anybody who's not already a fan — and many who are.

    Bibliography.

  761. Clarke. Adams by deptimus · · Score: 1

    Ender's Game. The Speaker of the Dead. Xenocide. I read HHGTTG when I was around 12; so I'm recommending that as well.

  762. his dark materials trilogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anyone mention these yet?

    golden compass
    subtle knife
    amber spyglass.

    signed,
    anonymous coward

  763. Douglas Hill? by CatrionaMcM · · Score: 1

    Seconding Ender's Game, White's The Once and Future King and Philip Pullman. I remember reading Douglas Hill's Last Legionary quartet when I was around that age, straight-forward well-written sci-fi for young'uns. Also, for Terry Pratchett, start with his written-for-kids books, the Bromeliad Trilogy is a good one to get them to question perceptions of the world, his Johnny Maxwell books are centred around a 12/13 year old boy, which might help draw them in. Both series cover stuff like racism, dogmatic religion, war and other stuff in a subtle way (Pratchett calls it "Stealth Philosophy") , good for sparking discussions with your kids.
    Other than that, let them loose in a library. Cheaper than a baby-sitter.

  764. Perry Rhodan by woodsonja · · Score: 1

    The English versions of the German Perry Rhodan series were excellent for me at that age. Lots of good clean "space opera" action. You should be able to find some in used book stores or on eBay.

  765. Great fantasy choice by chef5 · · Score: 1

    I have two boys who are 9 and 11 and they are incredibly avid readers ( a couple of novels a week). They have very different tastes in reading material but both have eagerly flew through a series by Rick Riordan called Percy Jackson and the Olympians. There 10 year old cousin has read through all the books as well. They are a huge hit. Might want to give them a try.

  766. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suggest Ursula LeGuin, especially the Earthsea series. The writing is good, Earthsea tells an age appropriate, coming-of-age story.

  767. EE 'Doc' Smith: Old Classics by Leitchy · · Score: 1

    I first picked up science fiction when I read Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky as a 14yo, but the following year, I was completely hooked when I found EE 'Doc' Smith's Skylark series. I found and devoured the Lensman series later on, and that completed my baptism. I second the comments about Anne McCaffrey's Dragons of Pern series. Love 'em, and re-read them regularly; it's like visiting old friends. Asimov's Robot series is also good stuff to feed young minds. There are a lot of good Asimov anthologies out there too, although probably a lot are out of print. Same for Heinlein. I'd recommend some Poul Anderson, too, to introduce the concept of harder science fiction. Orion Shall Rise is a good one. Finally, I can't leave a recommended reading list without mentioning Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan series. Wonderfully written space opera about the capers of a physically handicapped but brilliant military-minded dwarf; I love the squiggly-minded little man! And he has a great supporting cast of characters, too. :) Whatever you decide, enjoy!

  768. Re:Heinlein juveniles and others by tylernt · · Score: 1

    At least RAH's characters were above the age of consent.

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  769. Note to parent by jensend · · Score: 1

    Hitchhiker's Guide is good, but one of the books- So Long and Thanks for All the Fish- contains a few chapters which are very much inappropriate for preteens. Just something you should be aware of.

  770. Sci-Fi books for pre-teens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although the Tom Swift and Tom Swift Jr books were written long before personal computers they do let a young imagination wander through the galaxy as well as some earthbound venues. They all deal with a crime or challenge to be solved by the cast of characters using some imaginative scientific methods.

  771. Recommendation by thrashee · · Score: 1

    "The White Mountains" books by John Christopher.

    1. Re:Recommendation by thrashee · · Score: 1

      Also Susan Cooper's "The Dark is Rising" sequence, although that's more in line with fantasy/Arthurian legend than Sci-Fi.

  772. Larry Nevin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Larry Nevin's books are not too dark for younger minds. Ringworld was one of my favorites growing up. It also won the Hugo award.

  773. The classics are classic for a reason. by humanifesto · · Score: 1
    While The Foundation trilogy might be a bit dry, I found the rest of that story utterly gripping when I was in my early teens. As someone born much later on, I was able to read his stories in their chonological order. Not the order they were written, but the order they took place. I started with I, Robot, and made my way right through the Robot, Empire, and finally the Foundation series. Of all of them, I found the actual Foundation Trilogy to be the least interesting, funny enough.

    Not so much Sci Fi, but there's a great book called Ishmael by Daniel Quinn that turned my world on it's side. You might want to grab a copy of that one as well, for your children and yourself as well.

    I do agree with what someone else said here though, don't underestimate your children or their ability to appreciate a great book. In doing that, you truly fail them.

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  774. Star Wars Young Jedi Knights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My boys really liked the Young Jedi Knights series by Kevin J. Anderson and Rebecca Moesta. These books move pretty quickly and it was easy for them to identify with the characters.

    My $0.02.

  775. Schmitz. James H. Schmitz. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    There are also Schmitz's "Telzey Amberdon" books, as well as his classic "The Witches of Karres."

    I can't second these highly enough, and the entire James H. Schmitz canon has just been re-released -- all the Telzey and Trigger stories, all the rest of the Federation of the Hub material, The Witches of Karres, and a bunch of otherwise uncollected material.

    The Schmitz stories are incredibly positive (although he does have some pretty dark stand-alone short material), the storytelling is outstanding, the characters are reasonably interesting, and he has very strong female characters -- important for impressionable young female readers, but perhaps even more so for impressionable young male readers! And they're almost entirely free of graphic violence, sexual content, and anything else uncomfortable to recommend to children.

    I also felt like Clarke and Asimov stood me in good stead as a child. I missed a lot in works like Childhood's End, but greatly enjoyed and profited from the shorter works.

  776. Preteen reccomendations by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

    I'm trying to remember what I read (and loved) in primary school. Preteen is much harder to remember than teen...

    Robin Klein - Halfway across the Galaxy & Turn left (has a sequel). She's an excellent author for juniors.

    David Eddings - The Belgariad (Fantasy)

    JRR Tolkein - The Hobbit - LotR maybe to hard till teens. I remember it taking me months to get through book 2.

    Asimov short stories, maybe the first foundation, but only after they have a thorough grounding in the 3 rules ^_^. the bicentennial man made me cry.

    Anne McCaffrey - Dragon Singer trilogy, The ship books.

    Cynthia Voight - The Kingdom series is vaguely scifi. The Tillerman books are fantastic, but very 'real life'

    Robin Mckinley - Damar books and short stories. Also her retelling of fairytales are fantastic.

    Piers Anthony - Early Xanth, before they all become about nakedness and sex... maybe not.

    Definately series mentioned above - The Dark is Rising, The Chronicles of Prydain, A Wrinkle in Time. The Discworld. Enders Game.

    Maurice Gee - under the Mountain - this took some research to find. I remember being at once excited and terrified by this. Alians in human shape, psychic powers, a mine? Great stuff.

    Jean Craighead George - My Side of the Mountain - not sci-fi. About a kid who runs away and lives in the mountains. He sets up camp in a hollow tree. I read it because the title was similar to the one above, and I thought it was maybe a sequel. It isn't, but it's great young fiction.

    Isobelle Carmody - The obernewtyn Chronicles - Great stuff

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  777. Lots of great choices by CurtMonash · · Score: 1

    It sounds as if your kids are precocious, and that you're basically looking for books that would appeal to "ordinary" smart teens. Here are some of my thoughts:

    Maybe they'd like some of the collections of old stories, rather than novels. Many of these are "puzzle" stories, in which our hero discovers a problem and then, quickly, solves it. For example, The Best of Poul Andersen is replete with those. Andersen could get pretty sexual in his longer books, but his short stories were largely free of that.

    For Heinlein you'd want true juveniles. Starship Troopers, Time Enough For Love, and Farnham's Freehold are not juveniles ...

    Dune is dark and intermittently sexual. It starts with the death of the hero's father. Not exactly what you want.

    Zelazny's characters are world-weary amoral demigods. Also not what you want.

    Larry Niven isn't all bad, but might actually be a bit sophisticated.

    H Beam Piper's Gunpowder God books are great fun. I don't see much in them that young folks wouldn't get, perhaps except for about two sentences mentioning sexual scandals -- "carefully hushed up" -- in court.

    Robert Silverberg's (?) alternate history book set in an Aztec-dominated America might be good. I think Turtledove eventually wrote a sequel.

    Truly young-person-oriented books include a lot of Andre Norton (I loved The Prince Commands, although that's not SF), Heinlein juveniles, and the aforementioned A Wrinkle In Time.

    Anne McCaffrey is too sexual.

    Gordon Dickson's Dorsai books are grim and glorify war. And some nasty stuff happens. I wouldn't favor them.

    David Brin's good stuff is a little slow.

    Pournelle's good solely-authored stuff is like Heinlein juveniles, but not quite as good.

    In fantasy, I think they might be a little young for Raymond Feist. de Camp's (?) Compleat Enchanter (or Enchanter Compleated), however, would be wonderful, if they have any interest in mythology.

    Another Fine Myth by Asprin is hilarious. The sexual stuff is lighthearted enough you shouldn't worry about it.

    One of Turtledove's strengths is writing about ADULTS. I'd be suspicious of any of his juveniles.

    And for yourself, get Lois McMaster Bujold's Miles Vorkosigan series. :)

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  778. SciFi and/or Fantasy by maurert · · Score: 1

    Each parent is going to have his/her own hot buttons as to what is acceptable and what isn't. Even with sexual content there is anything from sexual tension to some down right nasty stuff.

    You specifically ask for SciFi and you're examples are in the SciFi area rather than Fantasy.

    My kid's reading list:

    L Ron Hubbard's Battlefield Earth. (Not to be mistaken with Hubbard's "Mission Earth" dekaology the is not appropriate in my opinion for pre-teens.)

    Piers Anthony's Xanth Series. It's thirty three books and counting of bad puns. Just the thing for pre-teen boys. Careful on the sex topics of his other books and series as some of them are graphic and other sexual themes aren't appropriate for pre-teens.

    Roger Zelazny's Amber Series.

    CS Lewis's Narnia Series.

    Pulman's His Dark Materials series.

    Asimov's Foundation series would be okay.

    Red Wall.

    In the fantasy the gorilla in the room is Harry Potter.

    I haven't tried them but the Star Trek and Star Wars book series are probably acceptable even if not "serious" literature.

    One could always plumb the depths of the Gutenberg Project's text library and pull classics like Jules Verne and Dan Defoe. Some care is needed even here as I recently read Robinson Crusoe and it is not exactly politically correct in the treatment of indigenous people and is a bit snobbish about the ingenuity of Brits.

    However the important piece in any of these is to be reading the material in advance and being able to discuss the good and questionable themes with your kid. Saw a study that along the lines of children, parents and TV. The study found that when children watched TV shows with their parents in the room, even of some of the show's themes might be counter to the family's values, the kids would pick up even the subtle vibes of the parents. That if they watched the shows without the parents present, then they tended to mroe directly absorb the values as presented in the show.

    I think books are similar. They offer the chance to discuss values. Is Malfroy a bad person or he simply a tragic character in the wrong family at the wrong time? What do you think of Harry kissing girls? (I doubt a parent could ask that question without conveying his/her expectation of there own child's behavior.)

  779. Badkind by xigxag · · Score: 1

    The immediate problem with The Sword of Truth as a children's series is the extreme violence/S&M/bondage in some of the books. That doesn't stop them from being good stories, but it does make them incredibly embarrassing to recommend to your kids. You might want to just leave the books around and let them discover the kinky stuff without that icky "Daddy lent this to me" feeling spoiling their enjoyment of the books.

    But better yet, keep them away from Goodkind altogether, unless you are planning on indoctrinating them in oversimplified Randian (pun intentional, I assume, by Goodkind) claptrap. The series got atrociously bad by about the fourth or fifth book, but gave a surprising turnaround with Chainfire, which was good enough for me to feel incredibly ripped-off and disappointed by the final book, whose name I have already mercifully forgotten.

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  780. Danny Dunn series by ganda1fthewhite · · Score: 1

    Pre-teen.. when I was in the 2nd to 3rd grade I always liked the Danny Dunn series. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-4144480-7670368?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=danny+dunn&x=0&y=0

  781. Re: E.E. Doc Smith by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that bit was awesome :-)

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  782. Why dumb it down? Let them read! by spiritwalker562 · · Score: 1

    You already said they are avid readers - challenge them. Just because it might seem dry or too political when you look at it as a parent doesnt mean they wont like it or get something out of it. If they don't like it, they won't read it, but whatever you do don't decide not to bring something because you think they wont like it. Imagine the disaster if they hate everything you bring because you tried to dumb it down too much.

    When I was younger, I read LOTR in 4th-5th grade, had an abortive attempt at reading Neuromancer in 6th grade (I loved the old Interplay game so much I made myself try reading the novel again 6 months later. it turned out to be the first book I read under a day). One of my best memories as a child was emailing Orson Scott Card on the old Prodigy network after I read Ender's Game. He encouraged me to read Speaker, albeit with the 'its a bit slower-paced' warning. Turned out I loved Speaker, and my father, who recommended Ender's Game to me, couldnt care less for Speaker.

    All of these books, we read when we were kids or teenagers. They shaped our understanding of the world but also helped us formulate our own. Let your kids do the same. Thats the beauty of a book.

  783. The bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    truly the very first SF novel

  784. Ursula LeGuin by A.M.+Woolsey · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised few people have mentioned Ursula Le Guin in this thread. Start with A Wizard of Earthsea and go from there. Rocannon's World is another great starting point in her books. I would second the Jules Verne. But I think the biggest influence on my reading when I was a child was the fact that my parents told us the "TV was broken and we're not getting a new one" when I was 7. We got our news from NPR and the New York Times and the local paper. There was no world wide web back then, so we read books. Lots of them. Mysteries, P.G. Wodehouse, Sci-Fi, Fantasy, childrens' fiction (Bridge to Terebithia, etc.). Madeline L'Engle is great for that age as well. My advice: chuck the TV, hide the video games. The kids will read books, play board games or go play outside. All probably better for them, IMO, than the alternatives. After all, that's how most generations grew up and they all seem to have turned out ok.

  785. Legends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have a look at the Legends books, they're anthologies by a dirty dozen sci-fi/fantasy writers. Orson Scott Card, Anne McCaffrey, Neil Gaiman, others; it's a fine introduction to some modern greats. The short stories would work well on the road too.

  786. Dark Star by peetm · · Score: 1

    My 11 year old son has *just* started asking me if he could start reading my scifi books - I started him with Dark Star [Alan Dean Foster].

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  787. read this by KingBenny · · Score: 1

    You of all people should be the best judge when it comes to kwowing what your kids are ready to read. I personally finished lord of the rings before the age of ten, and i'm still alive and only a little crazy so far . If i were to hint i'd say try giving the the Belgariad by David Eddings . imo that's right up there with lord of the rings . I didnt like Asimov either as a kid ... and to be honest, i still don't like it. David Eddings or maybe Julian May the manycoloured land, altho that series is a bit more complicated ... Also Stephen Donaldson i liked a lot, but those are also a little more complicated than the Belgariad ... the classics like heinlein, zelazny and maybe vance are ok too, if they can ... you know ... 'dig it' :p Ursula Le Guin maybe, and if you're like all-american-moral-majority-type-of-parent you might wanna wait giving them Tanith Lee books ... (they got titties , like age of conan) *winks*

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  788. Star Wars: Jedi Apprentice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A little OT, but you might want to look at the Star Wars books for young adults, e.g., the Jedi Apprentice series. Some really very good books there, with relevant and uplifting concepts within for young men:

    http://wisdomofthejedi.com/?page_id=227

  789. G. Harry Stine (Lee Corey) by Flashman · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen "Starship Through Space" or "Rocket Man" by G. Harry Stine mentioned. I liked these books because they were about young people doing something really exciting in a technically believable fashion. This was the same reason I liked "Have Spacesuit Will Travel" and "Space Cadet". I liked these four books enough that I went out and bought the hardcopy versions of these books so many years ago when all I had was an allowance and had to ride the bus downtown to the bookstore to buy them. I still have those books and treasure them.

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  790. How about the sci-fi novel I wrote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about my recently published sci-fi mystery novel: "TIME TRIP ON A MOEBIUS STRIP." It is about 16 famous lost historical people of history. They are all in another dimension where time has come to a halt, and how a marine biologist enters this other dimension by means of a giant metal Moebius strip inside of a giant ten foot high nautilus shell he had found on the beach as a child...High school history teachers would recommend this book because of the historical people and what the novel has to say about them....You can see a sample page from my sci-fi novel at my blog: http://moebiustripper.blogspot.com
    Best regards, D. Richard Lewis

  791. Even more suggstions by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    Not sure how 'pre teen' your kids are. I caught the sci-fi bug in 4th grade. I'm pretty sure I had read most of the classics by the time I was in eighth grade -- when I turned 13.

    Much depends on the maturity and determiniation of your kids. Kids are changing incredibly fast -- stuff that would be suitable at age 13 is too heavy at 8 or 9.

    An earlier reader is correct -- things that the kids aren't ready for will generally be ignored. If there are too many bits that are hard they will drop the book. Things they are almost ready for will spark questions. Be ready for the questions, and you will have a priceless opportunity to shape your kid's values.

    Don't be afraid to give them adult books. (Adult = normal book vocabulary/sentence structure, not sexual.) If their school reading scores say they are reading at a grade 8 or 9 level, let them go!

    I read SF almost to the exclulsion of everyone else, and it has shaped my attitudes in the following way:
    * I'm constantly coming up with different ways of doing things. So far out of the box, that most of the time I can't find the box.
    * I generally believe in solutions. Every problem has a solution, if we are clever enough, and early enough to find it. (At work at present, the school is faced with closing. Most of the staff are resigned, and looking for other work, or carrying out the tasks of wrapping up the closure. I'm still bubbling with ideas.)
    * Very upbeat, and take the long view. Climate warming? What the global committee calls a catastrophe -- loss of the ice, 20 meter sea level rises -- is but an inconvenience. Turning the planet into Venus is a catastrophe.

    For early exposure to the less kid like books for these authors, look at collections of their short stories.

    So, what do I consider a classic:

    * All of Heinlein's juveniles, and for almost teens, all of his middle period -- up to Moon is a Harsh Mistress. The stuff after that is a bit disjointed

    * Asimov. As a kid I didn't find the Foundation books dry at all.

    * Arthur C. Clarke -- Tales of the Whitehart, Fall of Moon Dust, Earthlight

    * Alan Norse (Nourse?)

    * Back issues of Analog. (One librarian had the foresight to have them bound -- 6 issues per volume. Extra polish on her halo.

    * Madelaine L'Engle

    * Lloyd Alexander

    * Alan Garner

    * Jules Verne -- He was very prolific. Lot of titles that are hard to find in English.

    * H. Rider Haggard -- Not strictly Sci-fi

    * Robert Louis Stevensen.

    * Edgar Allen Poe. (Yes they are dark. Kids love gore.)

    * Ursula LeGuin (Wizard of Earthsea, Tombs of Atuan)

    * Lois McMaster Bujold

    * Anne McCaffrey

    * Clifford Simak

    * Poul Anderson

    * Fritz Leiber

    * Hal Clement (Especially if they have an interest in science in general.)

    * E. E. "Doc" Smith

    * George O. Smith

    * Ben Bova

    * Jerry Pournelle

    * Larry Niven (Short stories esp.)

    * Lloyd Biggle Jr.

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  792. Battletech/Mechwarrior, looking for publishers. by Veretax · · Score: 1

    When I was young, i read a few Star Trek books, as well as go the novel version of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi. Back then our schools had a number of publications that you could order such books from. The two I remember most were Troll and Trumpet. Later in life I discovered Battletech Books (which will be making a come back at some point), and I really wish I could have gotten into them well back in my pre-teen years, a lot of good fiction has gone out of print, but what can you do? Another tactic might be to look at certain publishers, like Zondervahn for instance (think I spelled that right), that's just a suggestion though

  793. Hitchhiker's Guide by GRJenkins · · Score: 1

    I loved this series by Douglas Adams when I was in my pre-teens. It's sci-fi but also a good comedy so it's a fun read all around.

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  794. Sci-Fi vs. Fantasy... by jordanlund · · Score: 1

    I know bookstores always shelve them together, but there is a difference in genre so I'm going to split things up too... Sci-Fi: The Fuzzy Books by H. Beam Piper - Largely forgotten, pre-cursors to the Ewoks of Star Wars fame. Great, easy reads. Douglas Adams - Anything Unfortunately the Sci-Fi series I usually recommend (the Matador books by Steve Perry) always have fairly graphic sex scenes and may not be appropriate for pre-teens. Your mileage may vary. I suggest checking them out yourself and see if you approve. Fantasy: The Belgariad by David Eddings (5 books). The Malloreon is the sequel, but I don't think it's as good. The original Dragonlance trilogy by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. Tolkien - Anything.

  795. Temporary regression into pre-adolescence. by blagh · · Score: 1

    If Foundation is too dry, "I, Robot" should be a fun read.

    Anne McCaffrey is all right, but her books tend more towards fantasy than science fiction (especially the Dragonriders of Pern).

    And, I have to admit, I was in love with the Animorphs series when I was in middle school (even though the ending sucked).

    Finally, some of the earlier Star Wars books by Timothy Zahn, Micheal Stackpole and Aaron Allston. The X-Wing series, especially so, since the authors' original characters actually occasionally get to die and such.

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  796. Lensmen, Stainless Steel Rat, Xanth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember the Lensmen series by E. E. Smith as being fun and not too heavy. I liked the Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison too. The Xanth series by Piers Anthony was a fun fantasy world for me as a kid.

  797. Trust your instincts, but be brave, too by fuzzy2k · · Score: 1
    Give them books you loved at their age, and be prepared to talk to them about the ideas.

    They are smaller, and very likely, smarter, versions of you. This means they will be able to deal with the darkness, or get past it more easily than you think.

    Classic Sci-Fi becomes classic for a good reason: it is brilliantly conceived and executed. The ideas were just as dark back in the day, maybe you missed them because you weren't attuned to that, or maybe you just don't remember how you reacted to that aspect of the writing. Don't cheat your kids out of great literature (and the attendant props you earn for recommending it - this is of secondary import, but not to be totally dismissed out of hand) just because you don't know how they will react. Kids are pretty sturdy, creative about solving problems, and they have you at their back.

    Give them the books, one or two or so at a time. If it turns out you've raised axe-murderers or woefully-ill-equipped-to-deal-with-ideas kids, you will know soon enough to switch them to a diet of Barney and Saturday morning cartoons. /ugh

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  798. Other suggestions by multicsfan · · Score: 1

    You might want to think about some of the real classics, like Jules Verne and HG Wells.

    You might want to look at authors/books that have won awards like the hugo, nebula, Campbell, etc. You may also want to check them out first a bit as some may be more suitable for juveniles then others.

    Author's writings can change over time. Heinleins earlier juveniles would be great, but as you get to the lazarous long and related books some can be pretty adult.

    CJ Cherry, Mercedes lackey, Bujold, most Norton, are all pretty good. Eric Flint, Devid Weber and others are good military SF as well as some general SF.

    As someone suggested, try your local library, they may even have a separate SCIFI section. Many libraries do these days. If you are near a larger town/city, try them.

  799. Bill, the Galactic Hero by mopardmc · · Score: 1

    Also by Harry Harrison. I remember enjoying these immensely as a 12 year old, even though I hadn't seen a lot of the movies they were parodies of.

  800. Blog me? by solprovider · · Score: 1

    Thank you. This may be the first time someone asked before using my material. The first of my writing to appear on the Web was instructions for fixing Windows 95 on Compaq's website attributed to a Compaq employee, then on Microsoft's website attributed to a Microsoft employee; both copies contained my very lame joke. I often find references to my writing from the "referer" when pages link to my website. Most of my writing eventually appears on my website. A backlog of over 100 articles exists because I was extremely busy writing without posting last year and the website will be changing technology later this year. This list is now posted at:
    http://solprovider.com/articles/20080709

    I appreciate being credited for my work. Please include a link to my version in your blog.

    In this case, the "work" was wandering around my library looking for authors suitable for young boys. About a dozen good authors were excluded because their books are targeted at girls. Some good authors may have been excluded because I did not move furniture -- a couch blocks some of the B-E authors (just peeked and added David Brin and Ben Bova), much of N-Q is in stacks waiting for more bookshelves, and many new books are still in boxes. I am glad people are enjoying the list and mostly confirming it.

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  801. SciFi for pre-teens by ChasCoffee · · Score: 1

    The Warlord of Mars - science fiction novel written by Edgar Rice Burroughs, the third of his famous Barsoom series. Burroughs began writing it in June, 1913, going through five working titles; "Yellow Men of Barsoom," "The Fighting Prince of Mars," "Across Savage Mars," "The Prince of Helium," and "The War Lord of Mars." Old but I still remember these and
    it has been at least 50 years since I read the series.

  802. Three authors to recommend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.) Andre Norton -- These stories are excellent for almost all young readers and have nothing in them to worry a parent. Her stories have won her an award for Lifetime Achievement and are a true example of the storytelling art.

    2.) Isaac Asimov -- His stories range a wide gamut of themes. Probably his most famous are the Foundation series and his Robots series. In fact, I, Robot, the Will Smith movie, is based off of his Three Laws of Robotics originating in this series of stories.

    3.) Alan Dean Foster-- This author was widely-noted for his novelizations of TV and movies of the 60s and 70s, mostly in the SF genre. He also has written a huge number of novels based on his own ideas, mostly in the 'Humanx Commonwealth' that cover as broad a variety of subjects as Asimov, if not more.

    These three authors are all noted for their prolific writing and each has more than 50 titles to their names. I could also suggest Ray Bradbury for some of his Golden-Age stories, many of which have been brought to film.

    One of my personal favorite stories by Andre Norton is "Moon of Three Rings," a tale of a space-borne trader who ends up as an unusual victim in a war between native races on a planet called Yiktor.

    Of course, I can't begin to list my favorite Fantasy novels, outside of probably the most famous, "Lord of the Rings." The Peter Jackson movies tell most of the story, but leave out a lot. I first read these books when I was in 5th grade... about age 10. They may be a little difficult for an average reader, but if your boys are avid, they should truly enjoy these novels.

  803. How Old Is A Child? by jman.org · · Score: 1

    At that age and earlier my favorite books were not skiffy, but collections: Aesop, the Brothers Grim, Hans Christian Anderson, and the tales of Greek Mythology. They taught me a lot.

    While Starship Troopers was an adult novel, Heinlein for many years alternated between juveniles & "grown up" books, writing one of each kind in turn.

    Starman Jones, Have Space Suit, Will Travel, Podakyne of Mars were all Juvies. Asimov had the Lucky Starr novels.

    If the kids are already avid readers, though, they probably have the comprehension to deal with more adult works. Sounds like they may be beyond Paddington.

    On the flip side, just because a book is geared toward younger humans doesn't automatically make it light-hearted. Madeline L'Engle's A Wrinkle In Time and Roald Dahl's Charley and the Chocolate Factory have their grim moments, though they were both great writers. I'd recommend anything by them.

    Writer James Blish collected all the original Star Trek episodes in written form; they're good harmless adventure with known characters and storylines.

    Going slightly outside skiffy tales, I'd heartily recommend Lewis Carol. If they have heads for math you might want to try Flatland by Edwin Abbot, a Victorian era novel about a two-dimensional man visited by a 3-D human.

    Whatever happens, know you're lucky. You've got kids who read.

  804. Another vote for Asprin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I strongly recommend the Myth Adventures books by Robert Asprin. They are geared for young adults but can be appreciated at any age.
    The main character is a wizard so some might classify them as fantasy, but the universe is well thought out and internally consistent. Technically they are probably more sci-fi than some things labeled as such.
    I also recommend "The Neverending Story". It's better than the movie in the same way as the Harry Potter novels.
    Also, "The Mad Scientists Club" may be hard to find but is a great read. It's probably more for boys though. I was tickled to see Babylon 5 creator JMS list it as one of his influences.
    Lastly, The Foundation Trilogy was once voted the best science fiction series of all time (by the World Sci-Fi & Fantasy Assoc. if memory serves). It'a great read because it's s a page turner. I agree it's hard to tell how kids raised with IM & SMS will take it but don't sell it (or them) short.

  805. Sir Patrick Moore's Scott Saunders series by ectoraige · · Score: 1

    When I was a kid I *loved" the Scott Saunders stories written by Patrick Moore. Back then, I didn't know who Patrick Moore was, but it was his books, along with Asimov's short stories which gave me my love and enthusiasm for space exploration and astrophysics.

    The bibliography of his writings mentions some other books aimed at kids. I don't know how much they've aged, and I'm not making any reference to literary quality, all I know is when I was eight, I thought they were the best books ever. Except for the Hobbit.

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  806. idea by d4m4$74 · · Score: 1

    sci-fi book for pre-teens?
    how about dianetics, to ruin the minds of the kids of nowadays you have to start early

  807. Elizabeth Moon by assirac · · Score: 1

    Heris Serrano Trilogy, now available as an omnibus edition, by Elizabeth Moon. I love how Moon has women characters who are middle-aged and successful in a variety of professions. Too many sci-fi authors only make the men interesting, and the women are relegated to sexpots and nursemaids.

  808. Timothy Zahn by Wingmanjd01 · · Score: 1

    My favorite author (even now at age 24) is still Timothy Zahn. His writing is incredibly good, science based (in a science fiction setting), and extremely clean to boot. I'd recommend his writing for anyone above age 10. He's probably most noted for his Star Wars Thrawn trilogy, but he's written bunches of other books.

  809. from your friendly neighborhood librarian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of good titles have been mentioned, but I just want to mention a good resource that your library probably subscribes to and you can access from home free of charge from their homepage (probably listed under a tab marked "databases") -- it is called "Novelist"

    There you will find several annotated bibliographies relevant to this topic including:

    Science Fiction

    Grab and Go Book Lists
    Author:
    White, Carolyn

    Description:
    This is a list of some of the best classic and newer science fiction books for teenagers. Science fiction is different from fantasy in that it is about a world that could exist. Often set in the future or on other planets, it's science and imagination elements that earn these books a place on this list. Some of these books are written as a series; of those, the first in the series is listed here. In most cases there is only one title for each author. For additional titles by the same author, click on the title that interests you, then click More Books by Author in the upper portion of the title record.
    Reading Level:
    Teens, Older Kids
    Min./Max. Grade Level:
    6-8
    Database and Persistent link
    Persistent link to this record:
    http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=noh&tg=UI&an=416541&site=novelist-live

    Fantasy for Grades 6-8

    Document Type:
    Grab and Go Book Lists
    Author:
    White, Carolyn
    Description:
    Middle school students love fantasy books, stories that take place in unreal worlds. This list is a sampling of titles from the best fantasy writers, both classic and new, which are appropriate for middle school students. Many of the most popular books are published as a series (such as Harry Potter), and many fantasy writers have written numerous books. This list includes one title from each author. To locate more books written by an author, simply click on the title that interests you, then click More Books by Author in the upper portion of the title record.
    Reading Level:
    Teens, Older Kids
    Min./Max. Grade Level:
    6-8
    Database and Persistent link
    Persistent link to this record:
    http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=noh&tg=UI&an=416501&site=novelist-live

    Contemporary Fantasy Published Since 1990

    Document Type:
    Grab and Go Book Lists
    Author:
    Bolas, Debbie
    Fiction/Nonfiction:
    Fiction
    Description:
    The enormously popular Harry Potter books have given rise to a seemingly unending array of fantasy. The excellent novels listed below, published since 1990, exhibit a diverse world of magical powers, perilous quests, talking toys, imaginary realms, and high fantasy. All exemplify the best in characters, plot, setting, and believability -- necessary attributes of the finest fantasy. Many of the most popular books are published as part of a series, so be

  810. Isaac A by xmvince · · Score: 1

    I Robot

  811. books by logixoul · · Score: 1

    Anything by Asimov.

    Also, not strictly sci-fi, but Karel Chapek. Krakatit, The Absolute at Large, War with the Newts. Stunning read.

  812. My .02$ by Jaggo · · Score: 1

    As a kid (3rd to 5th grade), From what I can recall, I read Dragon's Lance, Forgotten Realms, Dark Sun novels and Orson Scot Card's Ender's Game triology (The Ender's Shadow had yet to be written).
    All of which I reckon are appropriate.
    G'luck!