second that. Godaddy, NS and enom suck, this is all from experience. I've switched to moniker, it's the only registrar so far that has not left me with a bad taste in my mouth, I don't know PairNIC, I'll definitely check them out.
thats what it would cost you to let go of the domain again in case your client didn't want it, there is a 7 day 'grace' period (which is abused by squatters to test if a domain has sufficient traffic on it)
Upon installing KDE I think I could live with something like that, on this box KDE is already installed, kruler is a small addition, and I just meant it as an example.
The biggest problem I have is with the installer trying to remove a bunch of stuff, as well as the snowball of dependencies of stuff that you know has no bearing at all on what you are trying to install.
Most of the time my 'best' (for want of something better) workaround for stuff like this is to install from source (also not without problems, especially not for GUI stuff).
Interesting! What provider where you using ? Which whois server and can you figure out the hops that your request passed through ? Chances are that your packets have been 'sniffed' at some hop in between your BSD machine and the whois registry server. That chance exists but is significantly smaller than having it happen when you use a web based service.
The best protection is to keep the 'window' between testing and registering as short as you can manage, preferably no more than a few *minutes* !
I hope you are joking, please don't do this, abusing the whois system is an excellent way to get yourself blacklisted in inconvenient places. Piss off enough people and you will be in the shithouse for years to come.
Also, if you have to use a web based tool use a reputable registrar (I'm using 'moniker' now, after having used bulkregister for years but I didn't feel like staying with enom after the bulkregister takeover, enom has a pretty bad rep, as does godaddy).
did you actually check the list of stuff that it says it needs to *REMOVE* because I want to *INSTALL* a simple piece of software ?
I did not change any repository settings, it got installed like this and it will now break a working installation when I try to install something. I think that is broken, there are no excuses for stuff like that.
Worst case it should download whatever supporting libraries are needed to get that piece of software to run but for the life of me I fail to see the correlation between installing kruler and removing g++ and libncurses-dev, they simply have nothing to do with what I'm trying to achieve.
The whole idea of package management is to avoid stuff like this, not to make it worse.
Always use a command line tool. The webservices are notorious for such sniffing, I've never seen or heard about it happening from the unix command line. Better still, simply use your registrar to do a registration, if that works then it was free:)
I should probably add that this is a machine that was installed about a year ago, but I feel that that should not matter, it performs well enough and I really don't see the point in fixing that which isn't broken.
you are so funny. I don't even use windows machines anymore when I'm at friends and have access to them for internet banking or ssh'ing into my servers for fear of using a machine that's compromised. Linux on the desktop right now still has a few rough edges but compared to several years ago the difference with MS products is really too small to notice. Favorite gripes:
- IE only websites (yes, some people really don't get it) - proprietary codecs
Faults in linux that I think need fixing urgently:
- make it so that when you try to fix a small problem (say upgrade or install some small application) that you don't end up with having to upgrade more and more of the system.
I mean this sort of thing:
root@jam:/home/jam/Desktop# apt-get install kruler Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed:
binutils binutils-dev cpp cpp-4.1 cpp-4.2 gcc gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1-base gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-bin-kde3
kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdesktop kdm kfind kicker konqueror kpersonalizer
ksplash libart-2.0-2 libasound2 libc6 libcupsys2 libdbus-1-3 libfreetype6 libgcc1 libgnutls13 libgomp1 libhal-storage1 libhal1
libjasper1 libjpeg62 libkeyutils1 libkonq4 libkrb53 liblzo2-2 libncurses5 libopencdk10 libopenexr2ldbl libpam0g libpoppler-qt2
libpoppler2 libselinux1 libsepol1 libslang2 libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libxml2 libxrandr2 locales tzdata util-linux util-linux-locales
zlib1g Suggested packages:
binutils-doc cpp-doc gcc-4.1-locales gcc-4.2-locales gcc-multilib automake1.9 libtool flex bison gcc-doc gcc-4.1-multilib gcc-4.1-doc
gcc-4.2-doc gcc-4.2-multilib libgcc1-dbg libgomp1-dbg libmudflap0-4.2-dbg libmudflap0-4.2-dev fam kicker-applets ksvg gij-4.1
libgcj7-awt libjessie-java libasound2-plugins glibc-doc libfreetype6-dev gnutls-bin libjasper-runtime krb5-doc krb5-user libpam-doc Recommended packages:
libmudflap0-dev The following packages will be REMOVED:
build-essential g++ g++-4.1 libc6-dev libjpeg62-dev libncurses5-dev libopenexr2c2a libssp0 libstdc++6-4.1-dev zlib1g-dev The following NEW packages will be installed:
cpp-4.2 gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base kdebase-bin-kde3 kruler libgomp1 libjasper1 libkeyutils1 liblzo2-2 libopencdk10 libopenexr2ldbl
libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler2 The following packages will be upgraded:
binutils binutils-dev cpp cpp-4.1 gcc gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1-base kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins
kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdesktop kdm kfind kicker konqueror kpersonalizer ksplash libart-2.0-2 libasound2
libc6 libcupsys2 libdbus-1-3 libfreetype6 libgcc1 libgnutls13 libhal-storage1 libhal1 libjpeg62 libkonq4 libkrb53 libncurses5
libpam0g libselinux1 libsepol1 libslang2 libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libxml2 libxrandr2 locales tzdata util-linux util-linux-locales
zlib1g 48 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 10 to remove and 843 not upgraded. Need to get 74.0MB of archives. After unpacking 17.6MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
Even if it worked (which it doesn't) it would still be unacceptable.
- stop switching kernel API's around every few releases, release a binary driver spec and stick to it
So that those of us that want to get some work done can just concentrate on that and leave the 'information wants to be free' bs to others
- get rid of all those duplicate halfbaked projects and put all the effort into a single set of office software.
What use is to have 3 different versions of everything, with every forked and me-too project the chance of large scale end-user adoption for linux goes down.
That said, I haven't had windows on my desktop box for the last 4 years and in spite of the above I'm very happy with it.
I remember reading somewhere (sorry, no link) that Toshiba has taken over or would take over the factory where IBM produces the cell processor for Sony.
Most memory is produced outside the US, here is another interesting table:
same goes for Poles in the Netherlands. People here are absolutely rabid against former east block workers for exactly the reasons you stated (skilled, very very inexpensive). The really bad part is that the big guns here have already made a killing on the opening up of the former sovblock countries by buying up lots of factories and real estate, driving tens of thousands of people in those countries from their jobs. So, now they come here simply to work and take home some money and there is lots of bad blood between them and 'skilled' workers here. Especially in the construction business. Overt aggression is becoming more and more common, and politicians (most notably the SP, but also 'Wilders' and 'Verdonk') are using this as a popular theme to get voters to line up behind them. The whole Islamist fear thing doesn't help much either. Shades of the 1930's.
Well, you'd be wrong then. Antigua has a *very* impressive IT infrastructure and has hosting capacity enough to rival some other (much larger) countries.
And this is one of the most informed WTO judgements ever, the *only* exports of significant value the US has these days are IP and weapons, this ruling has the potential to cut right to the bone. It is interesting how the US has flaunted WTO rulings in the past just because it could, this one is going to be a little harder to get around, short of using the strongest part of US diplomacy. (the marines, I hear most of them are engaged elsewhere anyway).
afaik it does work fine for pirates but not for consumers that have paid for the product. A friend of mine made the linux switch solely because of being pissed off once to many while being told to re-register his machine after windows update literally crashed the box beyond recovery and they wouldn't activate him. He said, ok, fine don't activate me I'll get another OS. It's well past the point of being a nuisance, it's a real risk (having your machine taken down by an automatic update is *not* funny at all) and then to be insulted like that is really not the best way to deal with an already pissed off customer.
that's an easy one... the bigger the bits the longer it will take to get them to demagnetize spontaneously, simply because more particles got magnetized in a 360k floppy vs say a 20 MB bernoulli drive or a harddrive platter. So, higher density = shorter shelf life. I've tried to read in some 10 year old DAT tapes, and no luck at all (not that I needed the data, just to see if it would work).
Slashdot Mirror
does not need to be mentioned in the summary of an article that has nothing to do with google.
root@jam:/home/jam# apt-get --no-upgrade install kruler
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
binutils binutils-dev cpp cpp-4.1 cpp-4.2 gcc gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1-base gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-bin-kde3
kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdesktop kdm kfind kicker konqueror kpersonalizer
ksplash libart-2.0-2 libasound2 libc6 libcupsys2 libdbus-1-3 libfreetype6 libgcc1 libgnutls13 libgomp1 libhal-storage1 libhal1
libjasper1 libjpeg62 libkeyutils1 libkonq4 libkrb53 liblzo2-2 libncurses5 libopencdk10 libopenexr2ldbl libpam0g libpoppler-qt2
libpoppler2 libselinux1 libsepol1 libslang2 libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libxml2 libxrandr2 locales tzdata util-linux util-linux-locales
zlib1g
Suggested packages:
binutils-doc cpp-doc gcc-4.1-locales gcc-4.2-locales gcc-multilib automake1.9 libtool flex bison gcc-doc gcc-4.1-multilib gcc-4.1-doc
gcc-4.2-doc gcc-4.2-multilib libgcc1-dbg libgomp1-dbg libmudflap0-4.2-dbg libmudflap0-4.2-dev fam kicker-applets ksvg gij-4.1
libgcj7-awt libjessie-java libasound2-plugins glibc-doc libfreetype6-dev gnutls-bin libjasper-runtime krb5-doc krb5-user libpam-doc
Recommended packages:
libmudflap0-dev
The following packages will be REMOVED:
build-essential g++ g++-4.1 libc6-dev libjpeg62-dev libncurses5-dev libopenexr2c2a libssp0 libstdc++6-4.1-dev zlib1g-dev
The following NEW packages will be installed:
cpp-4.2 gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base kdebase-bin-kde3 kruler libgomp1 libjasper1 libkeyutils1 liblzo2-2 libopencdk10 libopenexr2ldbl
libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler2
The following packages will be upgraded:
binutils binutils-dev cpp cpp-4.1 gcc gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1-base kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins
kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdesktop kdm kfind kicker konqueror kpersonalizer ksplash libart-2.0-2 libasound2
libc6 libcupsys2 libdbus-1-3 libfreetype6 libgcc1 libgnutls13 libhal-storage1 libhal1 libjpeg62 libkonq4 libkrb53 libncurses5
libpam0g libselinux1 libsepol1 libslang2 libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libxml2 libxrandr2 locales tzdata util-linux util-linux-locales
zlib1g
48 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 10 to remove and 843 not upgraded.
Need to get 74.0MB of archives.
After unpacking 17.6MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
you mean like that ?
that doesn't work... but thanks for trying, it is appreciated.
second that. Godaddy, NS and enom suck, this is all from experience. I've switched to moniker, it's the only registrar so far that has not left me with a bad taste in my mouth, I don't know PairNIC, I'll definitely check them out.
thats what it would cost you to let go of the domain again in case your client didn't want it, there is a 7 day 'grace' period (which is abused by squatters to test if a domain has sufficient traffic on it)
Let me get this clear, you think that destroying a fairly vital part of the internet infrastructure by a ddos is a good use of a bot net ?
Upon installing KDE I think I could live with something like that, on this box KDE is already installed, kruler is a small addition, and I just meant it as an example.
The biggest problem I have is with the installer trying to remove a bunch of stuff, as well as the snowball of dependencies of stuff that you know has no bearing at all on what you are trying to install.
Most of the time my 'best' (for want of something better) workaround for stuff like this is to install from source (also not without problems, especially not for GUI stuff).
Interesting! What provider where you using ? Which whois server and can you figure out the hops that your request passed through ? Chances are that your packets have been 'sniffed' at some hop in between your BSD machine and the whois registry server. That chance exists but is significantly smaller than having it happen when you use a web based service.
The best protection is to keep the 'window' between testing and registering as short as you can manage, preferably no more than a few *minutes* !
I hope you are joking, please don't do this, abusing the whois system is an excellent way to get yourself blacklisted in inconvenient places. Piss off enough people and you will be in the shithouse for years to come.
That's an *excellent* suggestion !
Also, if you have to use a web based tool use a reputable registrar (I'm using 'moniker' now, after having used bulkregister for years but I didn't feel like staying with enom after the bulkregister takeover, enom has a pretty bad rep, as does godaddy).
did you actually check the list of stuff that it says it needs to *REMOVE* because I want to *INSTALL* a simple piece of software ?
I did not change any repository settings, it got installed like this and it will now break a working installation when I try to install something. I think that is broken, there are no excuses for stuff like that.
Worst case it should download whatever supporting libraries are needed to get that piece of software to run but for the life of me I fail to see the correlation between installing kruler and removing g++ and libncurses-dev, they simply have nothing to do with what I'm trying to achieve.
The whole idea of package management is to avoid stuff like this, not to make it worse.
Always use a command line tool. The webservices are notorious for such sniffing, I've never seen or heard about it happening from the unix command line. :)
Better still, simply use your registrar to do a registration, if that works then it was free
http://rndpic.com/
I should probably add that this is a machine that was installed about a year ago, but I feel that that should not matter, it performs well enough and I really don't see the point in fixing that which isn't broken.
thank you, that made my day :)
please mod parent into the stratosphere.
I'd give Gates about 48 hours past that point. And he'd probably *still* die of multiple shot wounds :)
you are so funny. I don't even use windows machines anymore when I'm at friends and have access to them for internet banking or ssh'ing into my servers for fear of using a machine that's compromised.
Linux on the desktop right now still has a few rough edges but compared to several years ago the difference with MS products is really too small to notice. Favorite gripes:
- IE only websites (yes, some people really don't get it)
- proprietary codecs
Faults in linux that I think need fixing urgently:
- make it so that when you try to fix a small problem (say upgrade or install some small application) that you don't end up with having to upgrade more and more of the system.
I mean this sort of thing:
root@jam:/home/jam/Desktop# apt-get install kruler
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
binutils binutils-dev cpp cpp-4.1 cpp-4.2 gcc gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1-base gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-bin-kde3
kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdesktop kdm kfind kicker konqueror kpersonalizer
ksplash libart-2.0-2 libasound2 libc6 libcupsys2 libdbus-1-3 libfreetype6 libgcc1 libgnutls13 libgomp1 libhal-storage1 libhal1
libjasper1 libjpeg62 libkeyutils1 libkonq4 libkrb53 liblzo2-2 libncurses5 libopencdk10 libopenexr2ldbl libpam0g libpoppler-qt2
libpoppler2 libselinux1 libsepol1 libslang2 libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libxml2 libxrandr2 locales tzdata util-linux util-linux-locales
zlib1g
Suggested packages:
binutils-doc cpp-doc gcc-4.1-locales gcc-4.2-locales gcc-multilib automake1.9 libtool flex bison gcc-doc gcc-4.1-multilib gcc-4.1-doc
gcc-4.2-doc gcc-4.2-multilib libgcc1-dbg libgomp1-dbg libmudflap0-4.2-dbg libmudflap0-4.2-dev fam kicker-applets ksvg gij-4.1
libgcj7-awt libjessie-java libasound2-plugins glibc-doc libfreetype6-dev gnutls-bin libjasper-runtime krb5-doc krb5-user libpam-doc
Recommended packages:
libmudflap0-dev
The following packages will be REMOVED:
build-essential g++ g++-4.1 libc6-dev libjpeg62-dev libncurses5-dev libopenexr2c2a libssp0 libstdc++6-4.1-dev zlib1g-dev
The following NEW packages will be installed:
cpp-4.2 gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base kdebase-bin-kde3 kruler libgomp1 libjasper1 libkeyutils1 liblzo2-2 libopencdk10 libopenexr2ldbl
libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler2
The following packages will be upgraded:
binutils binutils-dev cpp cpp-4.1 gcc gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1-base kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins
kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdesktop kdm kfind kicker konqueror kpersonalizer ksplash libart-2.0-2 libasound2
libc6 libcupsys2 libdbus-1-3 libfreetype6 libgcc1 libgnutls13 libhal-storage1 libhal1 libjpeg62 libkonq4 libkrb53 libncurses5
libpam0g libselinux1 libsepol1 libslang2 libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libxml2 libxrandr2 locales tzdata util-linux util-linux-locales
zlib1g
48 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 10 to remove and 843 not upgraded.
Need to get 74.0MB of archives.
After unpacking 17.6MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
Even if it worked (which it doesn't) it would still be unacceptable.
- stop switching kernel API's around every few releases, release a binary driver spec and stick to it
So that those of us that want to get some work done can just concentrate on that and leave the 'information wants to be free' bs to others
- get rid of all those duplicate halfbaked projects and put all the effort into a single set of office software.
What use is to have 3 different versions of everything, with every forked and me-too project the chance of large scale end-user adoption for linux goes down.
That said, I haven't had windows on my desktop box for the last 4 years and in spite of the above I'm very happy with it.
aaah! oops, thank you for spotting that...
I've searched around for a more recent table like that but I could not find one.
let me give you a hand here:
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/manufacturing/manufacturing_qa.htm
http://www.informationweek.com/outsourcing/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=174906797
I remember reading somewhere (sorry, no link) that Toshiba has taken over or would take over the factory where IBM produces the cell processor for Sony.
Most memory is produced outside the US, here is another interesting table:
http://svtc.igc.org/icrt/corps/inttable.htm
It's a pity that one is not broken down by $amount invested per country.
same goes for Poles in the Netherlands. People here are absolutely rabid against former east block workers for exactly the reasons you stated (skilled, very very inexpensive). The really bad part is that the big guns here have already made a killing on the opening up of the former sovblock countries by buying up lots of factories and real estate, driving tens of thousands of people in those countries from their jobs. So, now they come here simply to work and take home some money and there is lots of bad blood between them and 'skilled' workers here. Especially in the construction business. Overt aggression is becoming more and more common, and politicians (most notably the SP, but also 'Wilders' and 'Verdonk') are using this as a popular theme to get voters to line up behind them. The whole Islamist fear thing doesn't help much either.
Shades of the 1930's.
Well, you'd be wrong then. Antigua has a *very* impressive IT infrastructure and has hosting capacity enough to rival some other (much larger) countries.
And this is one of the most informed WTO judgements ever, the *only* exports of significant value the US has these days are IP and weapons, this ruling has the potential to cut right to the bone. It is interesting how the US has flaunted WTO rulings in the past just because it could, this one is going to be a little harder to get around, short of using the strongest part of US diplomacy. (the marines, I hear most of them are engaged elsewhere anyway).
Well, as they say anybody claiming to be the messiah will have a following, I never believed that until now.
vale ? veil ?
is there a way to filter by poster user id ?
afaik it does work fine for pirates but not for consumers that have paid for the product. A friend of mine made the linux switch solely because of being pissed off once to many while being told to re-register his machine after windows update literally crashed the box beyond recovery and they wouldn't activate him. He said, ok, fine don't activate me I'll get another OS. It's well past the point of being a nuisance, it's a real risk (having your machine taken down by an automatic update is *not* funny at all) and then to be insulted like that is really not the best way to deal with an already pissed off customer.
If only Microsoft would spend that much effort on windows update...
that's an easy one... the bigger the bits the longer it will take to get them to demagnetize spontaneously, simply because more particles got magnetized in a 360k floppy vs say a 20 MB bernoulli drive or a harddrive platter.
So, higher density = shorter shelf life. I've tried to read in some 10 year old DAT tapes, and no luck at all (not that I needed the data, just to see if it would work).