The other problem is that almost universally, teachers get paid more only by having more experience. So your wife is probably a new teacher. An experienced teacher can easily make well over twice that much money and not put in that much time. So many teachers are over paid.
There is some truth in this. She really isn't a new teacher anymore but they keep forcing her to teach different grades which makes her have to scramble every year when they don't let her know until a week before school starts. The old teachers never get asked to move grades and don't end up with the trouble makers. Since she is new'ish it's easy to blame/fire her when 100% of children don't do well on the end of grade tests and makes a handy excuse to keep new teachers from becoming paid too much. O.. odd thing is the kids still pass and move on to the next grade regardless of if they fail or not which I don't really get but eh the kids seem to figure it out pretty fast. Luckily for my wife she is a great teacher and hasn't had any problems with moving enough kids test scores but she sure doesn't have any time to do all the paper work which is why she works so late.
The answer is pay for performance and proper incentives,
It's funny you mention this. She was promised a bonus last year if she and all of the others that teach at her school met some goal. They did their part but aren't getting their bonus because of the recession. Same thing happened a few years ago but with some other excuse. Bottom line is she knows that nothing she is told means jackshit and there is never enough money to pay her even though there seems plenty to pay the administration staff their bonuses.
Most teachers are good people, to good... they get walked all over because they want to help kids, but that's ok, it's what we apparently want as a country. Stupid people do make great pets...
I know what you intended to say is "pay my wife more for the teaching she does." What I heard was "Offer teachers more and you can find a better teacher to replace my wife."
No I want my wife out of teaching altogether. But no one is going to do the work she does for the pay she gets so people can keep bitching about how teachers suck and how they are the reason why children are dumb as rocks but you got what you paid for.
I did not mean to offend. In fact, I very much agree with what I believe to be your central point. Money might be a good way to entice a decent teaching staff. Unfortunately, public institutions will never be able to meet professional wages.
My wife would be fine with the pay if it didn't involve working 7am to 7pm and being 25 kids only real parents. *alright only about half the parents are too busy to show up once every 9 weeks for a meeting or help their kids with their homework. I'm exaggerating when I say all 25.
Lower yes, but NC doesn't pay teachers jack. She teaches k-6 so you can check that. We live in Western NC which makes the pay even lower from what I understand. Yes we could move, talked about it even but it will not fix anything other than her pay. Such low pay pisses me off more than her. She hates the long hours, inhuman requirements and bureaucratic bullshit.
We have an "education Lottery" here in NC but that money doesn't really go to education. It goes to all the contractors for their substandard services , to buy new math books every other year with the chapters moved around and to whoever else pays the politicians off.
Maybe she could spend some time teaching you spelling and grammar?
I would love to spend time with my wife, she currently has a 4.0 in grad school and is best spelling. good gramering. Teach me lots if only not at work.
You forget again that teachers only work for 180 days of the year in New York State, sure the 60hr weeks may not balance out the 180 days of work but it is something to consider. Also consider that teachers receive good benefits like most public employees. Also does the teacher in question have tenure?
Yes she has tenure, and she did have good benefits but they are being cut each and every year. As far as the fable that teachers are off summers I can assure you that it's mostly untrue or at least here in NC. My wife spends most of her summer in workshops learning new ways to add numbers or about new requirements for this or that. Most of workshops sound like nothing more than a paycheck for some publisher or curriculum specialist to me. She's a bit more positive about them and only thinks 50% or so are total bullshit.
NC is pretty bad when it comes to education pay so NY might be better. We talked about moving to another state where she would make more but the pay isn't the only problem with being a teacher. The main problem for her is that the job doesn't have anything to do with teaching children anymore. It's all about the "statistics" and filling out paperwork that never even gets looked at, the fabled "permanent record" we all remember. This paperwork isn't a bad thing but she isn't provided with any time to do it. Ends up working from 7am to 5pm every day. Last Thursday and Friday she didn't get home until around 7pm and that happens all the time.
What I find pretty insane is how they throw all of the kids in the same room now days. Imagine having children with IQ's between 77 and 120 all trying to learn the same thing. And we aren't talking about 2+2=4. They teach algebra (using shapes for variables), history, science, etc.
I work in IT and honestly sit on my ass doing 1/1000th what she does each day, make more money and don't even have a degree. (I dropped out of college)
My impression is that, even if you go back to grad school, you're still not going to be paid anywhere near what you'd get paid if you went and got a job in industry with that same masters or PhD.
She has a degree in Psychology as well as her K-6 teaching license and national board certification. She will triple her pay by leaving teaching public school and have time to live a life outside of the classroom...
Anyone thinking of becoming a teacher.. don't... it's not worth it, no one cares about the children regardless of what you might have heard...
This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent, capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children. Unless that happens, the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who couldn't pass math because they weren't able to figure out their calculator.
Bullshit, my wife is a teacher here in NC. Been teaching for 7 years now and she makes under 35k a year and spends 60+ hours a week at school. She loves teaching but has had to go back to graduate school in order to escape the bullshit pay, no planing period, no assistant and the ridicules paper work. Why don't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy's flipping burgers...
You want good teachers? Fucking pay them. Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.
Anyone who actually admits to liking a movie about a gang of butthurt emo sparkle faggot vampires and furfags on steroids deserves some jail time...
This is why women don't like you AC... next time you get slapped in the face remember.. you could have mentioned twilight and maybe, just maybe started a conversation...
Hrm.. You may have just explained the Nostradamus prediction of "Hister" instead of "Hitler". A single bit corruption in the "From the Future Media Stream" he was watching.
Yes indeed... I blame the Large Hadron Collider for this.
Combine this with the algos for automatically working out social affiliations
Exactly. My post was extremely simple in that I only used people who already had some sort of criminal record. I bet a lot here on/. probably laughed and said something along the lines of "Blah I have no record".
What about your friends, family, that mob owned bar you frequent or even the Chinese restaurant you like visiting? None of us know exactly who we come into contact with each and every day. Think about it, what about that quite guy you happen to be siting across from at work every day but never have even spoken to? He might be a terrorist! which then makes you his possible accomplice.
I wish each of us could run our names through the FBI/homeland security database just to see what sort of crazy things would pop up. It's basically the 6-degree's of separation thing except that given the amount of data in these databases coupled with that in corporate databases makes it more like 1 or 2 degree's.
We are all suspects these days even if we have done nothing wrong. (And every single one here has committed a crime whether you know it or not)
someone in the government gives a fuck about the location of some random slashdotter while they are on the phone.
True but people here on slashdot (some of us at least) leave the house and interact with people and go places.
COP 1: Someone broke into building X last night. COP 2: Pull up the Cell GPS logs and see who was in the area. COP 1: O.. good idea! Hey look these 2 people have records! COP 2: GREAT!!! bring them both in, we got our criminals.
When we can watch the watchmen, they will restore proper checks and balances (require a warrant or similar).
That would be nice if it was true but I assure you that important people will get a special private flag on their accounts to prevent terrorists from hacking in and finding where they all are...
Slashdot is full of little bitches who all need to all be punched in their collective faces while their ipods, iphones, macbooks and ps3's all are smashed on the basement floors.
One day I plan on hacking this site using root / password! and garbing all the marketing/mod logs so I can take a little trip around the world to hand out free punches to each and every one of you fucking cock sucking basement dwelling whores.
May each of you burn in hell forever as the spaghetti monster devourers your souls one bit at a time.
and in Satan's name may a pox fall upon your motherboards, bit rot consume your illegal loli porn and may your hard drives all crash and burn.
Slashdot Mirror
hard dose of reality (such as running their car into a fire hydrant at the end of their driveway) ever gets through to them.
In my universe that person would blame the fire hydrant...
Buy them a nice Laser Pointer...
http://www.wickedlasers.com/index.php
The other problem is that almost universally, teachers get paid more only by having more experience. So your wife is probably a new teacher. An experienced teacher can easily make well over twice that much money and not put in that much time. So many teachers are over paid.
There is some truth in this. She really isn't a new teacher anymore but they keep forcing her to teach different grades which makes her have to scramble every year when they don't let her know until a week before school starts. The old teachers never get asked to move grades and don't end up with the trouble makers. Since she is new'ish it's easy to blame/fire her when 100% of children don't do well on the end of grade tests and makes a handy excuse to keep new teachers from becoming paid too much. O.. odd thing is the kids still pass and move on to the next grade regardless of if they fail or not which I don't really get but eh the kids seem to figure it out pretty fast. Luckily for my wife she is a great teacher and hasn't had any problems with moving enough kids test scores but she sure doesn't have any time to do all the paper work which is why she works so late.
The answer is pay for performance and proper incentives,
It's funny you mention this. She was promised a bonus last year if she and all of the others that teach at her school met some goal. They did their part but aren't getting their bonus because of the recession. Same thing happened a few years ago but with some other excuse. Bottom line is she knows that nothing she is told means jackshit and there is never enough money to pay her even though there seems plenty to pay the administration staff their bonuses.
Most teachers are good people, to good... they get walked all over because they want to help kids, but that's ok, it's what we apparently want as a country. Stupid people do make great pets...
I know what you intended to say is "pay my wife more for the teaching she does." What I heard was "Offer teachers more and you can find a better teacher to replace my wife."
No I want my wife out of teaching altogether. But no one is going to do the work she does for the pay she gets so people can keep bitching about how teachers suck and how they are the reason why children are dumb as rocks but you got what you paid for.
I did not mean to offend. In fact, I very much agree with what I believe to be your central point. Money might be a good way to entice a decent teaching staff. Unfortunately, public institutions will never be able to meet professional wages.
My wife would be fine with the pay if it didn't involve working 7am to 7pm and being 25 kids only real parents. *alright only about half the parents are too busy to show up once every 9 weeks for a meeting or help their kids with their homework. I'm exaggerating when I say all 25.
Wow, does NC have a super low cost of living?
Lower yes, but NC doesn't pay teachers jack. She teaches k-6 so you can check that. We live in Western NC which makes the pay even lower from what I understand. Yes we could move, talked about it even but it will not fix anything other than her pay. Such low pay pisses me off more than her. She hates the long hours, inhuman requirements and bureaucratic bullshit.
We have an "education Lottery" here in NC but that money doesn't really go to education. It goes to all the contractors for their substandard services , to buy new math books every other year with the chapters moved around and to whoever else pays the politicians off.
Maybe she could spend some time teaching you spelling and grammar?
I would love to spend time with my wife, she currently has a 4.0 in grad school and is best spelling. good gramering. Teach me lots if only not at work.
You forget again that teachers only work for 180 days of the year in New York State, sure the 60hr weeks may not balance out the 180 days of work but it is something to consider. Also consider that teachers receive good benefits like most public employees. Also does the teacher in question have tenure?
Yes she has tenure, and she did have good benefits but they are being cut each and every year. As far as the fable that teachers are off summers I can assure you that it's mostly untrue or at least here in NC. My wife spends most of her summer in workshops learning new ways to add numbers or about new requirements for this or that. Most of workshops sound like nothing more than a paycheck for some publisher or curriculum specialist to me. She's a bit more positive about them and only thinks 50% or so are total bullshit.
NC is pretty bad when it comes to education pay so NY might be better. We talked about moving to another state where she would make more but the pay isn't the only problem with being a teacher. The main problem for her is that the job doesn't have anything to do with teaching children anymore. It's all about the "statistics" and filling out paperwork that never even gets looked at, the fabled "permanent record" we all remember. This paperwork isn't a bad thing but she isn't provided with any time to do it. Ends up working from 7am to 5pm every day. Last Thursday and Friday she didn't get home until around 7pm and that happens all the time.
What I find pretty insane is how they throw all of the kids in the same room now days. Imagine having children with IQ's between 77 and 120 all trying to learn the same thing. And we aren't talking about 2+2=4. They teach algebra (using shapes for variables), history, science, etc.
I work in IT and honestly sit on my ass doing 1/1000th what she does each day, make more money and don't even have a degree. (I dropped out of college)
Maybe if they werent always ridiculing the paperwork...
Yup I'm a horrible speller... Product of our wonderful U.S. public education system!
My impression is that, even if you go back to grad school, you're still not going to be paid anywhere near what you'd get paid if you went and got a job in industry with that same masters or PhD.
She has a degree in Psychology as well as her K-6 teaching license and national board certification. She will triple her pay by leaving teaching public school and have time to live a life outside of the classroom...
Anyone thinking of becoming a teacher.. don't... it's not worth it, no one cares about the children regardless of what you might have heard...
This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent, capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children. Unless that happens, the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who couldn't pass math because they weren't able to figure out their calculator.
Bullshit, my wife is a teacher here in NC. Been teaching for 7 years now and she makes under 35k a year and spends 60+ hours a week at school. She loves teaching but has had to go back to graduate school in order to escape the bullshit pay, no planing period, no assistant and the ridicules paper work. Why don't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy's flipping burgers...
You want good teachers? Fucking pay them. Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.
"Started a conversation"? With who - a 14 year old girl? Chris Hansen would like you to have a seat over there...
Once again, AC's are ignorant. My wife won't stop asking me to go see it and she's 28!
Anyone who actually admits to liking a movie about a gang of butthurt emo sparkle faggot vampires and furfags on steroids deserves some jail time...
This is why women don't like you AC... next time you get slapped in the face remember.. you could have mentioned twilight and maybe, just maybe started a conversation...
My friends and I are going to go out on a gang rape spree!
Mmmm... Arson, Rape, Murder, and Rape! Those where the good old days....
Hrm.. You may have just explained the Nostradamus prediction of "Hister" instead of "Hitler". A single bit corruption in the "From the Future Media Stream" he was watching.
Yes indeed... I blame the Large Hadron Collider for this.
Combine this with the algos for automatically working out social affiliations
Exactly. My post was extremely simple in that I only used people who already had some sort of criminal record. I bet a lot here on /. probably laughed and said something along the lines of "Blah I have no record".
What about your friends, family, that mob owned bar you frequent or even the Chinese restaurant you like visiting? None of us know exactly who we come into contact with each and every day. Think about it, what about that quite guy you happen to be siting across from at work every day but never have even spoken to? He might be a terrorist! which then makes you his possible accomplice.
I wish each of us could run our names through the FBI/homeland security database just to see what sort of crazy things would pop up. It's basically the 6-degree's of separation thing except that given the amount of data in these databases coupled with that in corporate databases makes it more like 1 or 2 degree's.
We are all suspects these days even if we have done nothing wrong. (And every single one here has committed a crime whether you know it or not)
Ironically, this funny mod will probably be the final ignominy that drives the parent over the edge.
0,o
someone in the government gives a fuck about the location of some random slashdotter while they are on the phone.
True but people here on slashdot (some of us at least) leave the house and interact with people and go places.
COP 1: Someone broke into building X last night.
COP 2: Pull up the Cell GPS logs and see who was in the area.
COP 1: O.. good idea! Hey look these 2 people have records!
COP 2: GREAT!!! bring them both in, we got our criminals.
You think the cops are watching YOU? What are you doing that makes you so paranoid?
Welcome back Glenn Beck! Hey you should really make an account here so we can all subscribe to your slashdot RSS feed.
When we can watch the watchmen, they will restore proper checks and balances (require a warrant or similar).
That would be nice if it was true but I assure you that important people will get a special private flag on their accounts to prevent terrorists from hacking in and finding where they all are...
Which is completely different to thinking that someone is watching all your movements through the GPS data from your phone.
???
8 Million is a big number, I would like to see all 8 million warrants please... I mean they are public record right? shrug...
There is a bug in your code. I think you are missing the goto 10
wow, you mods are really on the ball today...
Slashdot is full of little bitches who all need to all be punched in their collective faces while their ipods, iphones, macbooks and ps3's all are smashed on the basement floors.
One day I plan on hacking this site using root / password! and garbing all the marketing/mod logs so I can take a little trip around the world to hand out free punches to each and every one of you fucking cock sucking basement dwelling whores.
May each of you burn in hell forever as the spaghetti monster devourers your souls one bit at a time.
and in Satan's name may a pox fall upon your motherboards, bit rot consume your illegal loli porn and may your hard drives all crash and burn.
Well played my arch-nemesis.. well played indeed...
Adolf Hitler: psychopathic monster or just misunderstood?
Mostly misunderstood... He just wanted to reduce toxic CO2 production via the creative use of War and Genocide...
Damn HIPPIES!