Yes, it seems that this is the case from my point of view as well.
Looking for a job has been a real PITA since companies seem to want YEARS of paid professional experience. Yet, they are paying peanuts and are unwilling to bring smart people in and finsh training them.
Even when they get someone goof, it doesn't seem like they keep the pay or work environment up either.
It seems to me that employers set the bar really high, then complain that people do not fit their arbitrary requirements.
One of the most frustrating things for me is trying to move up the ladder into more mainstream (and better paying/more potential) development work. Since I don't have years paid/professional experience, I get passed over. On the other hand, I have heard of people who have 10 years of quality experience, but no degree, being passed over.
I fear that we are only pigeonholing people into one very specific career (i.e. you will only be a Java programmer).
In summary, I think there is no talent shortage. There is a shortage of HR/Recruiters/Managers who realize that anyone worth hiring should be able to pick up the technology in a reasonable amount of time. And they don't realize that if you want globs of experience you need to pay for it somehow.
I agree that you need to do a strategic job search these days. In my experience, 99.9% of Recruiters (internal and external) and many hiring managers are clueless when it comes to evaluating talent. You need find someone that is willing to listen to your pitch and judge your talent.
Is the incompetence you see a training issue or just people that aren't cut out for the jobs they are in?
Personally, I'm finding an unwillingness to hire people with no/little exact experience. You can even put together a portfolio for people and still get ignored.
I am experiencing the same thing in my locale as well.
It seems that no amount of self education/classes/etc. I try does any good unless you have experience. I even have a masters degree in a related field.
Recruiters here tell me that "we can't find the right people." You can't tell me that with all the unemployment/underemployment/etc. that there isn't anyone whose qualified and/or is smart enough and willing to learn.
Simply allowing women and married people to be priests just to "increase the pool" isn't the good enough reason to allow it.
How is the selection process deeply flawed? And they already have strict rules. I know several people in (or have gone though) training and they have to go through rigorous training and psych tests. Many men do not make it through.
I believe I heard that churches are statisically safer than schools or sports programs. Or this is used as an excuse to allow priests to marry (most of the issues was male on male action so marriage wouldn't help). Unfortunately, many people blindly drink the Kool-Aid.
Part of the problem was that there was infighting and lack of vision by the top brass of Kodak. They didn't invest enough in new tech in order to develop it properly until it was too late. Part of it is that they wanted to protect the film cash cow.
My interview was much the same way. It geared more for recent grads who may not have real world experience. I have been doing statisics based programming for the better part of the last decade - I have not touched some of the stuff they were asking about since my algorithms course as an undergrad. Basically some of my answers, if I couldn't get most of the way there, was "I'd look up at an explaination as a refresher and then code it the rest of the way up"
Well said. As an unrelated example, in graduate school, my professors never gave tests because they could actually give you more meaningful work realted to the goals of the course and masters program instead of just memorizing facts that you'll forget after the final exam.
I think you're spot on with your advice. I answer it honestly and state my medium to long term goals - i.e. I'd like to move up the technical/managment ladder. Some interviewers are very hostile to this answer - like "we're hiring for the job you're interviewing right now not one you'd like to get in to." It's like, duh, do you even realize what you ask? Or are you expecting the pre-hased answer that tells you nothing about me, and that everyone else tells you as well?
From my basic and possibly incorrect understanding, isn't Internet Explorer an integral part of the OS? This may be why other browsers can get away with it.
Also, other browsers aimed to be somewhat standards complaint from the beginning. IE 6 wasn't as standards compliant. So one can get away with upgrading other browsers.
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You sir couldn't be more correct. It is simple economics.
Yes, it seems that this is the case from my point of view as well.
Looking for a job has been a real PITA since companies seem to want YEARS of paid professional experience. Yet, they are paying peanuts and are unwilling to bring smart people in and finsh training them.
Even when they get someone goof, it doesn't seem like they keep the pay or work environment up either.
It seems to me that employers set the bar really high, then complain that people do not fit their arbitrary requirements.
One of the most frustrating things for me is trying to move up the ladder into more mainstream (and better paying/more potential) development work. Since I don't have years paid/professional experience, I get passed over. On the other hand, I have heard of people who have 10 years of quality experience, but no degree, being passed over.
I fear that we are only pigeonholing people into one very specific career (i.e. you will only be a Java programmer).
In summary, I think there is no talent shortage. There is a shortage of HR/Recruiters/Managers who realize that anyone worth hiring should be able to pick up the technology in a reasonable amount of time. And they don't realize that if you want globs of experience you need to pay for it somehow.
'nuff said
Probationary period. And you may have to think creatively about how you recruit people.
It's important to consider not everyone is willing to take a 40-50% pay cut to come work for you. You can't attract flies with vinegar.
And then they don't give those people the training and support they need.
I'd imagine that's one way of doing it. It also makes you look better - i.e. "We're selling off underperforming/unprofitable business"
Which was the point. In order to say you were "Java" you couldn't bastardize the language/API in such a way it didn't run anywhere else.
I agree that you need to do a strategic job search these days. In my experience, 99.9% of Recruiters (internal and external) and many hiring managers are clueless when it comes to evaluating talent. You need find someone that is willing to listen to your pitch and judge your talent.
I disagree to a certain extent.
Is the incompetence you see a training issue or just people that aren't cut out for the jobs they are in?
Personally, I'm finding an unwillingness to hire people with no/little exact experience. You can even put together a portfolio for people and still get ignored.
I am experiencing the same thing in my locale as well.
It seems that no amount of self education/classes/etc. I try does any good unless you have experience. I even have a masters degree in a related field.
Recruiters here tell me that "we can't find the right people." You can't tell me that with all the unemployment/underemployment/etc. that there isn't anyone whose qualified and/or is smart enough and willing to learn.
I just bought one for my girlfriend for xmas and one for myself.
Simply allowing women and married people to be priests just to "increase the pool" isn't the good enough reason to allow it.
How is the selection process deeply flawed? And they already have strict rules. I know several people in (or have gone though) training and they have to go through rigorous training and psych tests. Many men do not make it through.
If I had the points...
I believe I heard that churches are statisically safer than schools or sports programs. Or this is used as an excuse to allow priests to marry (most of the issues was male on male action so marriage wouldn't help). Unfortunately, many people blindly drink the Kool-Aid.
Part of the problem was that there was infighting and lack of vision by the top brass of Kodak. They didn't invest enough in new tech in order to develop it properly until it was too late. Part of it is that they wanted to protect the film cash cow.
I live in Rochester where their HQ is, and the town is dominated by their presence.
I agree that that they came up with good stuff - but the business/marketing people put the kabash on things
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My interview was much the same way. It geared more for recent grads who may not have real world experience. I have been doing statisics based programming for the better part of the last decade - I have not touched some of the stuff they were asking about since my algorithms course as an undergrad. Basically some of my answers, if I couldn't get most of the way there, was "I'd look up at an explaination as a refresher and then code it the rest of the way up"
Well said. As an unrelated example, in graduate school, my professors never gave tests because they could actually give you more meaningful work realted to the goals of the course and masters program instead of just memorizing facts that you'll forget after the final exam.
I think you're spot on with your advice. I answer it honestly and state my medium to long term goals - i.e. I'd like to move up the technical/managment ladder. Some interviewers are very hostile to this answer - like "we're hiring for the job you're interviewing right now not one you'd like to get in to." It's like, duh, do you even realize what you ask? Or are you expecting the pre-hased answer that tells you nothing about me, and that everyone else tells you as well?
I've been slowly learning Ruby on Rails. Seems alright.
From my basic and possibly incorrect understanding, isn't Internet Explorer an integral part of the OS? This may be why other browsers can get away with it. Also, other browsers aimed to be somewhat standards complaint from the beginning. IE 6 wasn't as standards compliant. So one can get away with upgrading other browsers.
640K of ram ought to be enough for everyone.
for Christmas.... D'oh!
You incorrectly compare rpm to apt. You should be comparing rpm to deb, and apt to yum and zypper. Also, I believe apt works with rpms as well.