I'm sure noone will read my post because there are already 500+ others, but anyway...
I stopped using Linux for the very same reason the article mentioned. There are umpteen different apps that all do the same thing and not one of them has every feature implemented or working. This was 2 years ago and it's only gotten worse. I'm a full time developer and I think the reason is fundamental, there needs to be a common component framework that all apps use. Windows has COM (ActiveX, DCOM, COM+, etc are all marketting terms, programatically they all work the same way and accomplish the same goal for various uses). On Linux there is XPCOM (Mozilla), there's KParts, there's Bonobo, there's another one for OpenOffice...As a developer, I don't know which to use...some are technically superior, but used in inferior apps and they don't always interop together and none are very fast. In addition, there is a real opportunity for inovation there and for all the complaining people here do about Microsoft, it's not the hardest thing to beat them on this front...a cross platform COM-like toolkit that is used by all Linux apps and could be ported to windows would wipe windows off the face of the earth in a very short amount of time.
So Miguel provided an answer to something that's been troubling me...COM. He mentioned having to emulate some win32 stuff. MS hasn't done away with COM, just wrapped it with.NET, so I've always figured any free alternative would never really work since it would have to support COM to run windows programs that strayed from.NET only code. Nothing in.NET replaces the generic interfaces you can make and program to in COM... I'm curious what the future will hold.
This has not been implemented yet...having a "spec" is nice and all, but noone can use it until it has an implementation. Passport has been around for a while now and has a large base of users and sites supporting it. I don't like MS controling my identity any more than the next guy, but 2 or 3 news stories in major publications isn't going to change the fact that thousands of websites already support Passport and Passport has probably millions of users thanks to MS making that mandatory for @hotmail.com and @msn.com users.
There needs to be a kick ass implementation and a network of sites supporting it, not to mention some business agreements for the big sites already using Passport to support both. Then we can let them play the protocol game, screwing the end users (which, lets face it, there's only a handful of people working on this software, so that's everyone on the net that's an end user).
What Plans, if any, does Ximian/Mono have for Implementing Alternative Classes to the Windows.* classes in the.NET Framework? Will there wrapper classes that would map to non-MS-specific Classes? Let's face facts, ADO is becoming the de-facto standard on Windows for accessing a database. Having compatibility with ADO and the other Windows-specific classes is critical to having Mono be a viable alternative to Windows, at least with their "Enterprise" offerings. Is it futile make Mono without implementing those classes? The potential for Cross-Platform executables is the same as it is with Java, but with Java you can't legally add platform specific extensions. Soo, having a platform where this is legally possible, what should developers expect from this arena? Does it make it any different than it is now in terms of writing code for both platforms, or is it just a better way of doing COM with the illusion of having cross-platform code?
Well, I'll post a good comment, unlike the other 70 talking about a bunch of crap
<p>At anyrate, I downloaded PHP helpdesk a couple days ago thinking it would be good for work with keeping people up to date as far as code problems, what's being worked on, etc. However, the code was in an unuseable state, but it's also in version 0.1. PHP is a really easy language, and websites aren't that hard to do, so hopefully they'll get things working good soon. I probably had a misconfiguration somewhere also. But This is exactly what you want, it's go security too, and work with mysql, though with PHP's good database support could easily be ported to another database.</p>
That piece of shit crashed my computer...it had been up for like a month...my servers get about 115 though;) Good thing I didn't try it out on that system.
Lack of school funding is "key" to the world's "distruction". Next time get the dictionary out.
--Mojojojo
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It's very very unstable. I was able to bring up slashdot 50X faster than with any other browser, but it's got a lot of work to do. Mozilla is a lot farther along and doesn't use Qt. Also, Opera costs money, and Mozilla is free, not to mention way farther along in development.
I was looking at home automation stuff a little while back and read a book about it that talked about different ways that had been implemented. One of the problems of going over the power lines for home automation is that it has to go back out of your house to the transceiver, thus making it less secure. The same think I would guess is true with net access. So anyone could put a tap in your transceiver and watch your activities. Similar to cable modem's security problems, though this would only be your closest neighbors instead of the entire neighborhood.
I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but they're doing something here that is beneficial to everyone. There's no reason to cry foul. Contrary to popular belief, microcrap isn't all bad. Their software needs work, and their predatory tactics could definitely be changed. But this is in everyone's best interest, especially those who sell software to foreign markets. The last time I checked microsoft was selling quite a bit of software, so its in their best interest too remember.
I will go on to say that the problem with Microsoft is not necessarily their buggy software, but the fact that if you use it, you're better off having MS everything. Reason being: Windows works best with a total MS environment, no 3rd party software (this is desktop, MS's server stuff could use some work...Win2000 has the management features down pat, now they need to improve the quality of the back end). They make it hard to use other peoples stuff or other OSes in the network. They do this very well. They also make some quality desktop software and IE is only better than netscape now because it's more stable and the market it and make development a cinch so retards use it (classic MS marketting). Office is a pretty good office suite, but it has way too much shit in it. I prefer Abiword and Gnumeric myself, they are simle and have what you want to use (except bullets;), not wacked out formatting. If I wanted that I'd get Adobe Acrobat Writer. I want the basic stuff: justification, spell check underline, bold, italics, font and font-sizing, cut paste, inserting pictures, the OLE stuff is good too. Anyways, Microsoft wants everything dealing with computers to go through them in some way or another, and hopefully the Judges ruling will force them to play nice with everyone else.
As far as I'm concerned with Microsoft, I think the best solution is not to open source them, though I think they need to open up the API's so other OSes on the Intel Platform can run Windows executables should the choose to add support for it. I don't think breaking them up would do any good either. I think they should be required to make it so that other operating systems can access Microsoft products too. The case is about the Desktop Monopoly. They don't have a Server monopoly, though were it not for Linux they probably would be really close, but now they're going to have to play nice with other OSes. They should be required to port Office and IE to competing platforms. Ah shit, I don't know, I'm not expressing what I'm trying to say very well, but I hope you get the point, that and I'm rambling on which doesn't help.
Man, everyone says that it's because you have to be 18 to enter a legally binding contract. That's all well and good, but a minor can go buy windows without this restriction. It seems to me that through all their little foul-ups that they're trying to own Linux in the end. I hear a lot about how much they've given to Linux, but that's a load of crap too. All I've seen is Word Perfect, which isn't worth a shit anyhow. It's got its own printer drivers that futher confuse its crappy program. I see much more promise with Abi-word (despite bullets;). Corel seems to have too much of an alterier motive with Linux. They can't beat MS with Dr. DOS, so they're going to try and cash in on Linux since its bound to take over. Also, outside of some pretty backgrounds and a modified kfm (K File Manager) and a gui install, they're just like any other distro. RedHat doesn't require you to be over 18 to download it. I've never understood everyone's excitement over Corel. They haven't offered anything good. They bought Dr. DOS and WordPerfect after DOS and WordPerfect weren't cool anymore (not that dos ever was). I dunno, they suck.
The point is being missed here. IE is a better browser...hats off to Microsoft for actually making something good. It doesn't crash anywhere near as much as netscape. Shit, if I don't connect to the internet first under linux, netscape will lock up. I can't browse pages on my computer using netscape unless I connect to the internet...That sucks. Netscape sucks. It will crash loading Java for god's sake. I'm real sorry, but everyone's solution seems to be well don't use that feature, why do you want pull down menus anyway? That's not an argument, that's an excuse for a crappy browser. And I'm terribly sorry, but Lynx is great and all, but Lynx is a text only web browser. We in the Linux community need not dismiss something superior, I mean, isn't that why we use Linux in the first place? I assume that most other people reading slashdot are like myself and are techies, programmers, etc. We like things that work good.
The point in all of this is that the web is the platform of the future, not Linux or windows or java or whatever, info over the web is the future. In 5 years MS operating systems shouldn't be shit. The only reason for people to be using them is the internet and the IE specific stuff. Microsoft was late in the internet game and they admit it. Now they're ahead. The reason is the same reason netscape and all other OSes are behind, because we all sat on our butts and said, HA!!! we're on the internet and we can do this that and the other thing...Now Microsoft says HA we've got all that and a bag of chips and the sexy bitch selling them, and you can hardly do this that and the other thing right in the first place.
Personally I think that Netscape sucks, Opera costs money so won't ever be considered, and IE has a better browser. At this point the best thing to hope for is that Microsoft gets split up and they decide that they should make IE for linux. Not only that, but Office too, since star office is too bloated. The best hope for office stuff is the (needs a lot of work still before 1.0) abiword and gnumeric. Linux will prevail. I think that Gzilla will be our only hope, provided netscape plugins work seemlessly.
PHP is awesome. I've just started getting into it. It has tons of functionality, it can get stuff out of almost any database, including access under the right conditions. It's very easy language and PHP4 which is in beta now supports Secure transactions. www.php.net is a good starting place along with www.phpbuilder.com
Everyone is complaining about, "why didn't they mention wine", well there is a fundamental difference, wine doesn't license the windows source code like these fools do. wine is good, but they've been getting to the point where there's only so much you can reverse engineer. This will probably be a way more evolved program, if for nothing else, they're a microsoft code licensee and partner. I'd rather see this go into the wine work, don't get me wrong. I also think they'd be better of teaming up with wine, that way the community would endorse it too, but whatever.
Okay, let's think about this one for 2 seconds. China has no human rights. They kill newborns. They sell bootleg software in stores, legally I might add. Why would the give 2 shits about the GPL. They copy programs anyhow, why would the GPL make a difference, when the EULA that Microcrap pushes doesn't mean shit either. Someone said they can redeem themselves by saying they're sorry and publishing the source. Yeah right, what reason do they have? Who's going to stop them? Bill Gates can't stop them. None of us are going to use some chickenshit distribution that has chinese characters anyway, I can't read that crap. If you can call them and bitch. Who's to say that corporations don't use GPLed software in closed source projects and lie about it. Who's to know?
I read on CNN about 2 days ago that there are over 300 things that you would have to do to a vanilla NT server out of the box to make it secure. 21 fixes isn't much at all. Besides, people running Linux for the most part understand more about their systems and sysadmins should be up to speed on these application patches anyway. That's BS that they failed to secure the server, then said, "Well, noone in the real world applies patches."
The article said it resolved by machine name too. Is this an smb thing? if so then it's a real embrace/extend/shutouteveryonebutmicrocrap. Those stupid Machine names ala SMB are not the way to resolve this, but Microsoft has been known to do stupider stuff. They're trying to make everyone that doesn't know what they're doing switch to windows so they don't have to RTFM.
I think you all are dismissing the idea too quickly. I think that this could be and will be done. It could even be a window manager on top of X, (BTW: to the parent discussion, I think X is just fine, no other windowing system has it's capabilities). At any rate if it was done correctly it could be very easy and very productive...it wouldn't be more stuff in the way, just abetter way of organizing...just think, the whole folder idea that's adopted to computing so well...put that mess in a file cabinet, I personally can't stand seeing 3000 folder icons, but if they were in a file cabinet that I could open an look at like a regular old file cabinet it would be way better organization. That's just one example, think about this one, I've thought about it before and it has some major advantages over the convetional way of doing things...kinda like, oh I dunno, the GUI itself?
I used to work for an ISP (Though it shames me), we used N2H2 for filtering. It actually runs on Linux, possibly with a modified Linux kernel...do they publish source??? let's not be too critical of them, seeing as the've used linux for a while, and despite the fact that net filtering is a joke, albeit a real one, they are using linux...not to advocate using free and open software for censorship...it's a bit ironic...I didn't see where anyone noticed this, thought you might like to know.
I noticed that too...This guy is a fool. I'd like a survey of the number of reporters that have written about linux and then ask how many have used it. Including this bafoon!
I think that the file server portion of the test is inherently flawed in that it uses a non-native protocol under linux...SMB. SMB is native to all windows platforms. They should be testing NFS as well, then I would think that linux would fair better. This was merely a test against samba vs the built in SMB portion of the NT kernel. IIS 4.0 vs apache was much the same, test apache vs apache. To some extent Linux is also to blame. ext2 is not a mature file system, XFS should help, I would like to see BeOS open source their file system as well for our use, blatant plug;) and as they mentioned the multi-threading of the IP stack should solve any problem there. The tests seem to exploit and weigh too heavily on these two shortcomings of linux, I'd like to see NT's wolfpack clustering compared to that of Beowolf...but I guess that's not necessary considering that NT is listed nowhere in the top 500;) Let's take the cue from the IP stack problem and from BeOS and multi-thread the hell out of the kernel, as that's what will make multi-processor machines fair better. That with the adoption of XFS and then we'll call for new tests against win2000 and laugh our asses off, because like win98 is to win95, it's just winNT4 in a dress with makeup, I still wouldn't do her, know what I mean?
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I'm sure noone will read my post because there are already 500+ others, but anyway...
I stopped using Linux for the very same reason the article mentioned. There are umpteen different apps that all do the same thing and not one of them has every feature implemented or working. This was 2 years ago and it's only gotten worse. I'm a full time developer and I think the reason is fundamental, there needs to be a common component framework that all apps use. Windows has COM (ActiveX, DCOM, COM+, etc are all marketting terms, programatically they all work the same way and accomplish the same goal for various uses). On Linux there is XPCOM (Mozilla), there's KParts, there's Bonobo, there's another one for OpenOffice...As a developer, I don't know which to use...some are technically superior, but used in inferior apps and they don't always interop together and none are very fast. In addition, there is a real opportunity for inovation there and for all the complaining people here do about Microsoft, it's not the hardest thing to beat them on this front...a cross platform COM-like toolkit that is used by all Linux apps and could be ported to windows would wipe windows off the face of the earth in a very short amount of time.
So Miguel provided an answer to something that's been troubling me...COM. He mentioned having to emulate some win32 stuff. MS hasn't done away with COM, just wrapped it with .NET, so I've always figured any free alternative would never really work since it would have to support COM to run windows programs that strayed from .NET only code. Nothing in .NET replaces the generic interfaces you can make and program to in COM... I'm curious what the future will hold.
This has not been implemented yet...having a "spec" is nice and all, but noone can use it until it has an implementation. Passport has been around for a while now and has a large base of users and sites supporting it. I don't like MS controling my identity any more than the next guy, but 2 or 3 news stories in major publications isn't going to change the fact that thousands of websites already support Passport and Passport has probably millions of users thanks to MS making that mandatory for @hotmail.com and @msn.com users.
There needs to be a kick ass implementation and a network of sites supporting it, not to mention some business agreements for the big sites already using Passport to support both. Then we can let them play the protocol game, screwing the end users (which, lets face it, there's only a handful of people working on this software, so that's everyone on the net that's an end user).
What Plans, if any, does Ximian/Mono have for Implementing Alternative Classes to the Windows.* classes in the .NET Framework? Will there wrapper classes that would map to non-MS-specific Classes? Let's face facts, ADO is becoming the de-facto standard on Windows for accessing a database. Having compatibility with ADO and the other Windows-specific classes is critical to having Mono be a viable alternative to Windows, at least with their "Enterprise" offerings. Is it futile make Mono without implementing those classes? The potential for Cross-Platform executables is the same as it is with Java, but with Java you can't legally add platform specific extensions. Soo, having a platform where this is legally possible, what should developers expect from this arena? Does it make it any different than it is now in terms of writing code for both platforms, or is it just a better way of doing COM with the illusion of having cross-platform code?
Well, I'll post a good comment, unlike the other 70 talking about a bunch of crap
<p>At anyrate, I downloaded PHP helpdesk a couple days ago thinking it would be good for work with keeping people up to date as far as code problems, what's being worked on, etc. However, the code was in an unuseable state, but it's also in version 0.1. PHP is a really easy language, and websites aren't that hard to do, so hopefully they'll get things working good soon. I probably had a misconfiguration somewhere also. But This is exactly what you want, it's go security too, and work with mysql, though with PHP's good database support could easily be ported to another database.</p>
-Mojojojo
Oh you're good. I like your style! I had just seen that along with Queen Amidala topless. I prefer the Queen. Very funny though!!!
-Mojojojo
That piece of shit crashed my computer...it had been up for like a month...my servers get about 115 though ;) Good thing I didn't try it out on that system.
Lack of school funding is "key" to the world's "distruction". Next time get the dictionary out.
--Mojojojo
It's very very unstable. I was able to bring up slashdot 50X faster than with any other browser, but it's got a lot of work to do. Mozilla is a lot farther along and doesn't use Qt. Also, Opera costs money, and Mozilla is free, not to mention way farther along in development.
It's like those Lee press on nails.
I was looking at home automation stuff a little while back and read a book about it that talked about different ways that had been implemented. One of the problems of going over the power lines for home automation is that it has to go back out of your house to the transceiver, thus making it less secure. The same think I would guess is true with net access. So anyone could put a tap in your transceiver and watch your activities. Similar to cable modem's security problems, though this would only be your closest neighbors instead of the entire neighborhood.
I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but they're doing something here that is beneficial to everyone. There's no reason to cry foul. Contrary to popular belief, microcrap isn't all bad. Their software needs work, and their predatory tactics could definitely be changed. But this is in everyone's best interest, especially those who sell software to foreign markets. The last time I checked microsoft was selling quite a bit of software, so its in their best interest too remember.
;), not wacked out formatting. If I wanted that I'd get Adobe Acrobat Writer. I want the basic stuff: justification, spell check underline, bold, italics, font and font-sizing, cut paste, inserting pictures, the OLE stuff is good too. Anyways, Microsoft wants everything dealing with computers to go through them in some way or another, and hopefully the Judges ruling will force them to play nice with everyone else.
I will go on to say that the problem with Microsoft is not necessarily their buggy software, but the fact that if you use it, you're better off having MS everything. Reason being: Windows works best with a total MS environment, no 3rd party software (this is desktop, MS's server stuff could use some work...Win2000 has the management features down pat, now they need to improve the quality of the back end). They make it hard to use other peoples stuff or other OSes in the network. They do this very well. They also make some quality desktop software and IE is only better than netscape now because it's more stable and the market it and make development a cinch so retards use it (classic MS marketting). Office is a pretty good office suite, but it has way too much shit in it. I prefer Abiword and Gnumeric myself, they are simle and have what you want to use (except bullets
As far as I'm concerned with Microsoft, I think the best solution is not to open source them, though I think they need to open up the API's so other OSes on the Intel Platform can run Windows executables should the choose to add support for it. I don't think breaking them up would do any good either. I think they should be required to make it so that other operating systems can access Microsoft products too. The case is about the Desktop Monopoly. They don't have a Server monopoly, though were it not for Linux they probably would be really close, but now they're going to have to play nice with other OSes. They should be required to port Office and IE to competing platforms. Ah shit, I don't know, I'm not expressing what I'm trying to say very well, but I hope you get the point, that and I'm rambling on which doesn't help.
-Mojojojo
Man, everyone says that it's because you have to be 18 to enter a legally binding contract. That's all well and good, but a minor can go buy windows without this restriction. It seems to me that through all their little foul-ups that they're trying to own Linux in the end. I hear a lot about how much they've given to Linux, but that's a load of crap too. All I've seen is Word Perfect, which isn't worth a shit anyhow. It's got its own printer drivers that futher confuse its crappy program. I see much more promise with Abi-word (despite bullets ;). Corel seems to have too much of an alterier motive with Linux. They can't beat MS with Dr. DOS, so they're going to try and cash in on Linux since its bound to take over. Also, outside of some pretty backgrounds and a modified kfm (K File Manager) and a gui install, they're just like any other distro. RedHat doesn't require you to be over 18 to download it. I've never understood everyone's excitement over Corel. They haven't offered anything good. They bought Dr. DOS and WordPerfect after DOS and WordPerfect weren't cool anymore (not that dos ever was). I dunno, they suck.
Wow, now hopefully they'll suffer the same fate as Tandy or any other P.O.S. computer stuff there.
The point is being missed here. IE is a better browser...hats off to Microsoft for actually making something good. It doesn't crash anywhere near as much as netscape. Shit, if I don't connect to the internet first under linux, netscape will lock up. I can't browse pages on my computer using netscape unless I connect to the internet...That sucks. Netscape sucks. It will crash loading Java for god's sake. I'm real sorry, but everyone's solution seems to be well don't use that feature, why do you want pull down menus anyway? That's not an argument, that's an excuse for a crappy browser. And I'm terribly sorry, but Lynx is great and all, but Lynx is a text only web browser. We in the Linux community need not dismiss something superior, I mean, isn't that why we use Linux in the first place? I assume that most other people reading slashdot are like myself and are techies, programmers, etc. We like things that work good.
The point in all of this is that the web is the platform of the future, not Linux or windows or java or whatever, info over the web is the future. In 5 years MS operating systems shouldn't be shit. The only reason for people to be using them is the internet and the IE specific stuff. Microsoft was late in the internet game and they admit it. Now they're ahead. The reason is the same reason netscape and all other OSes are behind, because we all sat on our butts and said, HA!!! we're on the internet and we can do this that and the other thing...Now Microsoft says HA we've got all that and a bag of chips and the sexy bitch selling them, and you can hardly do this that and the other thing right in the first place.
Personally I think that Netscape sucks, Opera costs money so won't ever be considered, and IE has a better browser. At this point the best thing to hope for is that Microsoft gets split up and they decide that they should make IE for linux. Not only that, but Office too, since star office is too bloated. The best hope for office stuff is the (needs a lot of work still before 1.0) abiword and gnumeric. Linux will prevail. I think that Gzilla will be our only hope, provided netscape plugins work seemlessly.
PHP is awesome. I've just started getting into it. It has tons of functionality, it can get stuff out of almost any database, including access under the right conditions. It's very easy language and PHP4 which is in beta now supports Secure transactions. www.php.net is a good starting place along with www.phpbuilder.com
Everyone is complaining about, "why didn't they mention wine", well there is a fundamental difference, wine doesn't license the windows source code like these fools do. wine is good, but they've been getting to the point where there's only so much you can reverse engineer. This will probably be a way more evolved program, if for nothing else, they're a microsoft code licensee and partner. I'd rather see this go into the wine work, don't get me wrong. I also think they'd be better of teaming up with wine, that way the community would endorse it too, but whatever.
Okay, let's think about this one for 2 seconds. China has no human rights. They kill newborns. They sell bootleg software in stores, legally I might add. Why would the give 2 shits about the GPL. They copy programs anyhow, why would the GPL make a difference, when the EULA that Microcrap pushes doesn't mean shit either. Someone said they can redeem themselves by saying they're sorry and publishing the source. Yeah right, what reason do they have? Who's going to stop them? Bill Gates can't stop them. None of us are going to use some chickenshit distribution that has chinese characters anyway, I can't read that crap. If you can call them and bitch. Who's to say that corporations don't use GPLed software in closed source projects and lie about it. Who's to know?
I read on CNN about 2 days ago that there are over 300 things that you would have to do to a vanilla NT server out of the box to make it secure. 21 fixes isn't much at all. Besides, people running Linux for the most part understand more about their systems and sysadmins should be up to speed on these application patches anyway. That's BS that they failed to secure the server, then said, "Well, noone in the real world applies patches."
The article said it resolved by machine name too. Is this an smb thing? if so then it's a real embrace/extend/shutouteveryonebutmicrocrap. Those stupid Machine names ala SMB are not the way to resolve this, but Microsoft has been known to do stupider stuff. They're trying to make everyone that doesn't know what they're doing switch to windows so they don't have to RTFM.
I think you all are dismissing the idea too quickly. I think that this could be and will be done. It could even be a window manager on top of X, (BTW: to the parent discussion, I think X is just fine, no other windowing system has it's capabilities). At any rate if it was done correctly it could be very easy and very productive...it wouldn't be more stuff in the way, just abetter way of organizing...just think, the whole folder idea that's adopted to computing so well...put that mess in a file cabinet, I personally can't stand seeing 3000 folder icons, but if they were in a file cabinet that I could open an look at like a regular old file cabinet it would be way better organization. That's just one example, think about this one, I've thought about it before and it has some major advantages over the convetional way of doing things...kinda like, oh I dunno, the GUI itself?
I used to work for an ISP (Though it shames me), we used N2H2 for filtering. It actually runs on Linux, possibly with a modified Linux kernel...do they publish source??? let's not be too critical of them, seeing as the've used linux for a while, and despite the fact that net filtering is a joke, albeit a real one, they are using linux...not to advocate using free and open software for censorship...it's a bit ironic...I didn't see where anyone noticed this, thought you might like to know.
I noticed that too...This guy is a fool. I'd like a survey of the number of reporters that have written about linux and then ask how many have used it. Including this bafoon!
To quote Shaft, "You're Damn Right!"
I think that the file server portion of the test is inherently flawed in that it uses a non-native protocol under linux...SMB. SMB is native to all windows platforms. They should be testing NFS as well, then I would think that linux would fair better. This was merely a test against samba vs the built in SMB portion of the NT kernel. IIS 4.0 vs apache was much the same, test apache vs apache. To some extent Linux is also to blame. ext2 is not a mature file system, XFS should help, I would like to see BeOS open source their file system as well for our use, blatant plug ;) and as they mentioned the multi-threading of the IP stack should solve any problem there. The tests seem to exploit and weigh too heavily on these two shortcomings of linux, I'd like to see NT's wolfpack clustering compared to that of Beowolf...but I guess that's not necessary considering that NT is listed nowhere in the top 500 ;) Let's take the cue from the IP stack problem and from BeOS and multi-thread the hell out of the kernel, as that's what will make multi-processor machines fair better. That with the adoption of XFS and then we'll call for new tests against win2000 and laugh our asses off, because like win98 is to win95, it's just winNT4 in a dress with makeup, I still wouldn't do her, know what I mean?