don't expect wonders. The code they're releasing might contribute to the infrastructure (possibly), but it won't contain anything for actually doing the [de|en]cryption required for SSL etc. Check the FAQ (URL given in the post).
"Even more important, the release of source code from the Sun-Netscape Alliance will not include all the code needed to produce a complete SSL- or S/MIME-capable Mozilla product starting with only source code. Because of RSA intellectual property restrictions and the continued presence of proprietary code licensed from RSA Security, Inc., the Sun-Netscape Alliance will not be releasing the source code that actually performs the core encryption and decryption operations."
It's a definite step forward, though, I guess. Now if they could only make it faster... ')
>Well, I guess in one way it's nice, but wouldn't >it be better if hotmail customers can decide for >themselves what to filter?
In some ways, yes, since I use my hotmail.com accounts for spam reporting purposes (one is used for newsgroups, and the other sends the reports about the spam sent to the first:)
OTOH, if something's on the RBL then the source is (in effect) a spamhaus, so I guess I'm not really losing anything.
If by "rocks" you mean "very slow, and even more unstable than IE5", then sure, I agree...
Otherwise, forget it.:-) The only major complaint I have about IE5 is that it's fairly unstable - sometimes just scrolling down a page will kill it. Not good.
>We make the source to our product, Resin, >available to the user for the reasons above. But >you can't snag our code and sell it or >incorporate it in your product without our >permission.
>My understanding of the slashdot ideology is that >we're just as evil as a closed source software >company because we're not giving away all our >rights for free. I've never understood that.
I suspect that it's only the real fanatics who take that attitude - most will take the more reasonable view. Unlike the guy earlier, stating that source is a "consumers right".
Getting the source is *not* an automatic right. You can encourage companies to make source available, you can refuse to use closed-source things, but getting hold of the source for something is not a requirement for releasing a piece of software.
Not strange at all - it just means that people like KDE, but would prefer to develop stuff for it using GTK+.
Personally, I prefer GNOME anyway, but as long as Borland port Delphi to *some* system I'll probably use it. Linux desperately needs something like Delphi.
This may be a silly question, but why is using encrypted mail *all the time* deemed to be a good thing?
When necessary, sure, but just for casual chats between friends, enquiries to companies, etc. I don't *want* to have to be using encrypted mail.
Admittedly at least part of this can be traced to the fact that Pegasus doesn't have perfect encryption integration, but I wouldn't change my mind anyway. It's just not required all the time.
You need to consider whether something can actually be intelligent if it's not allowed to think along certain lines, however. I suspect you'd have great trouble doing the two things.
Actually, no, I don't want free local calls, or at least not to ISPs. Do *you* want to pay the massive subscription increases that would follow it? (And no, free isps wouldn't exist.)
Not to mention the massive net congestion that would result as everyone frantically downloads masses of pr0n.
Speaking as a demon user, I haven't found them slowing down at all. The free ones are also more difficult to connect to, with a slower throughput; with demon I connect first time every time.
Then again, if people are switching to the free ones, that lightens the load on demon, so I really don't follow the logic behind the claims of demon slowing down.
there can be on-line privacy; there/is/, at the moment, simply because the mass of data is far too much for anyone to correlate, even if the agreements between companies were there.
Slashdot Mirror
Thanks for the update (and all the others). It looks like I skim-read the FAQ maybe a little too quickly - my bad. Sorry!
don't expect wonders. The code they're releasing might contribute to the infrastructure (possibly), but it won't contain anything for actually doing the [de|en]cryption required for SSL etc. Check the FAQ (URL given in the post).
"Even more important, the release of source code from the Sun-Netscape Alliance will not include all the code needed to produce a complete SSL- or S/MIME-capable Mozilla product starting with only source code. Because of RSA intellectual property restrictions and the continued presence of proprietary code licensed from RSA Security, Inc., the Sun-Netscape Alliance will not be releasing the source code that actually performs the core encryption and decryption operations."
It's a definite step forward, though, I guess. Now if they could only make it faster... ')
Like James Bond, you mean? ;-)
Someone didn't read the FAQ that was given, did they?
Just so you can read it, and hopefully gain some knowledge, here we are one more time:
http://www.stopspam.org/usenet/faqs/udp.html
> You'll have a lot of time to laugh at Jesus
> when you are burning in Hell.
You mean he's there too?
And you think that slashdot would still be available if it was hosting mirrors for other sites? I don't think so... :-)
>Well, I guess in one way it's nice, but wouldn't
:)
>it be better if hotmail customers can decide for
>themselves what to filter?
In some ways, yes, since I use my hotmail.com accounts for spam reporting purposes (one is used for newsgroups, and the other sends the reports about the spam sent to the first
OTOH, if something's on the RBL then the source is (in effect) a spamhaus, so I guess I'm not really losing anything.
If by "rocks" you mean "very slow, and even more unstable than IE5", then sure, I agree...
:-) The only major complaint I have about IE5 is that it's fairly unstable - sometimes just scrolling down a page will kill it. Not good.
Otherwise, forget it.
> I think this is a misquote. DEMANDING source is
:)
;-)
> a consumer's right.
Yep, I owe you an apology on that one; I misread your post. My bad.
(I still stand by the comments
>We make the source to our product, Resin,
>available to the user for the reasons above. But
>you can't snag our code and sell it or >incorporate it in your product without our
>permission.
>My understanding of the slashdot ideology is that
>we're just as evil as a closed source software >company because we're not giving away all our
>rights for free. I've never understood that.
I suspect that it's only the real fanatics who take that attitude - most will take the more reasonable view. Unlike the guy earlier, stating that source is a "consumers right".
Getting the source is *not* an automatic right. You can encourage companies to make source available, you can refuse to use closed-source things, but getting hold of the source for something is not a requirement for releasing a piece of software.
(Bets that this gets moderated down? )
(I'm assuming you don't mean things like the empeg)
Or you could take the strange step of bringing spare batteries with you. ;-)
"trojan virii"?
Er, trojans and viruses are two different things. Also, most viruses aren't harmless programs as you seem to think.
Not strange at all - it just means that people like KDE, but would prefer to develop stuff for it using GTK+.
Personally, I prefer GNOME anyway, but as long as Borland port Delphi to *some* system I'll probably use it. Linux desperately needs something like Delphi.
Sure, but if it's encrypted, why do I care if they think I have something to hide? ;-)
This may be a silly question, but why is using encrypted mail *all the time* deemed to be a good thing?
When necessary, sure, but just for casual chats between friends, enquiries to companies, etc. I don't *want* to have to be using encrypted mail.
Admittedly at least part of this can be traced to the fact that Pegasus doesn't have perfect encryption integration, but I wouldn't change my mind anyway. It's just not required all the time.
What on earth does the chip have to do with the uptime? That's much more the domain of the operating system.
Expected cost is 30UKP/month, same as the trial.
In what way "not free"? Free doesn't necessarily == "with source", it just as easily means "no payment" eg freeware.
Anyone have an URL I can check?
Assuming that they're not US only, anyway; if so, I'll disappear now...
You need to consider whether something can actually be intelligent if it's not allowed to think along certain lines, however. I suspect you'd have great trouble doing the two things.
Actually, no, I don't want free local calls, or at least not to ISPs. Do *you* want to pay the massive subscription increases that would follow it? (And no, free isps wouldn't exist.)
Not to mention the massive net congestion that would result as everyone frantically downloads masses of pr0n.
Speaking as a demon user, I haven't found them
slowing down at all. The free ones are also more difficult to connect to, with a slower throughput; with demon I connect first time every time.
Then again, if people are switching to the free ones, that lightens the load on demon, so I really don't follow the logic behind the claims of demon slowing down.
Yes, I fell for it, until I went to slashdot 10 seconds later. I thought Microsoft had objected to the jokes or something.
No, it's not funny, since I actually wanted something specific from the site today...
(On the bright side, my UF t-shirt arrived today.)
there can be on-line privacy; there /is/, at the moment, simply because the mass of data is far too much for anyone to correlate, even if the agreements between companies were there.