You fail to mention which version of Oracle. Oracle 9i features DISM support which allows the hot swapping of memory. I've DR'ed a board out and in with no problems on my 15ks...
I just DR'ed a CPU/Memory board out of my 15k last weekend, worked quite well. But in general, I'd rather get an outage rather than deal with a failed DR operation.
Like Sun makes a profit from selling their workstation line... They offer inexpensive workstations to drum up support for the bigger fish.
Sun's bread and butter is from the mid-range on up to the E10k/12k/15k. The Value lines are very cost competitive with Wintel boxen, a fully loaded V880 can be had for $120k. A fully loaded X440 from IBM with half the RAM comes in around that price too. There will always be a need for very large SMP systems to run Oracle, Peoplesoft, Seibel, etc. Given the alternatives (IBM, HP, SGI) I think Sun will be around for a few more years. They just need to trim the fat (read Java) and go back to the basics.
They may be slower, but does your PeeCee chip have 8MB of L2 cache? Does your PeeCee scale up to 72 processors, 576GB of RAM and 72 PCI cards? Can your PeeCee hot-swap CPU/Memory and I/O with no down time? Does your PeeCee have a switched interconnect capaable of sustaining 43.2 GB/s?
Get back to me when Linux can do any one of those.
Workstations based on the Itanium or SPARC capable of addressing more than 2-4Gbytes of RAM are very expensive (above $10k). IBM's Power4-based systems are even more expensive.
The Blade 100 has 2GB of physical RAM, but that's not the point, address space is.
I've had my 2000FP for roughly a year now and I'm using a Geforce3 Ti500 with DVI @ 1600x1200. Works great.
At the time, the only Nvidia cards that supported DVI @ 1600x1200 were the Ti500 variants. I wasn't too fond of shelling out $350 for a fscking video card after dropping $1400 on the LCD.
My argument was that the only half decent book for AIX was written in 1996. Solaris, OTOH, continues to have well written books published continuously. If AIX is better, and IBM ships more UNIX hardware than Sun, one would think that the userbase would be larger and therefore there would be a huge market for AIX documentation. Supply and Demand, right?
They call AIX "Aches" for a reason. I started my foray into the corporate world supporting RS6ks and it has scarred me for life. It seems that IBM took the worst parts of System V and BSD, added a dash of mainframe riff raff, and blended it all together.
A few things come to mind:
ODM - Brings the dreaded M$ Registry concept to UNIX; Are you familiar with odmget and odmput?
qconfig - Yet Another print queuing system for UNIX
errrpt - Who needs syslog? Let's just make our own proprietary message logging system!
Need to call support? Once you wade past the Level 1 morons reading from a screen, you better be prepared to take down your system and upgrade the microcode for every conceivable subcomponent, kiss those SLAs goodbye.
Instead of using PAM, IBM came up with their own proprietary authenticaion API
Startup scripts, who needs them? Instead of rc.local or/etc/rc?.d just put everyting in/etc/inittab. Better not edit the inittab directly, you have to use mkitab and rmitab.
Man pages, you don't need those! Just to make things extra fun, we'll hide them on the Extras CD and instead of using troff/nroff, we'll put them in HTML format.
let's-make-a-command-for-every-trivial-task; Put minimal info in the man page, and don't make the switches conform to normal UNIX semantics (e.g. -v == verbose)
Instead of/opt for 3rd party packages, let's use/usr/lpp!
Instead of dumping the information to the console on bootup, scare the hell out of the admin by making it appear the machine has hung. To humour him, print out esoteric hex codes on the LED panel. Wait at least 20 minutes before dumping *any* information out to the console!
I could go on, but it brings back too many bad memories. I thank ${DEITY} for Solaris every day!
As a business major, I encountered quite a few frat boys around West Campus, so I did what any red-ass non-reg would do, wore my "No Frats" shirt to class. My favorites were "Rent a Friend, Join a Frat" and "Join a Frat, Lose a Nut". I'm a pretty big guy, so I didn't catch all that much shit.
My company recently had a need for 3 fully loaded Sun E6500s, but only for 6 months. 6 months is a bit long to loan them from Sun, but short enough that it doesn't make sense to lease or buy them. So we had to rent them from some VAR in California.
This VAR decided to use a trucking company to deliver the servers from California to Texas, about a 3 day trip. We got a call from the driver when he arrived in town, and agreed to meet him at the datacentre. When he opened the rear doors, we were in shock. Each server was merely wrapped in plastic wrap, no pallet, no protective wrapping, nothing. The driver dragged all three 6500's through the loading dock area, and almost tilted one over while bringing them up the ramp to the raised floor area.
For the most part they work, but I'm a little leery of putting them into production. They all have dents and scratches, and we've had to reset all the SBUS cards. One of them had a bad bank of memory and sometimes the ge driver won't detect all the Gig boards.
I have one and it's great. It has more features than the NEC one mentioned here, namely 4 inputs (HD15, DVI, Composite, S-Video). I don't have a problem running 1600x1200 with large fonts enabled (on Win2k). FPS games look good on it due to the 25ms total average response time. The main reason I got it was due to the stray EMI a nearby power distribution closet was spewing out causing conventional monitors to have an annoying "jiggle".
Slashdot Mirror
From a 15k System Controller:That's it! Two fricking commands: no outage, no problem.
You fail to mention which version of Oracle. Oracle 9i features DISM support which allows the hot swapping of memory. I've DR'ed a board out and in with no problems on my 15ks...
I just DR'ed a CPU/Memory board out of my 15k last weekend, worked quite well. But in general, I'd rather get an outage rather than deal with a failed DR operation.
Like Sun makes a profit from selling their workstation line... They offer inexpensive workstations to drum up support for the bigger fish.
Sun's bread and butter is from the mid-range on up to the E10k/12k/15k. The Value lines are very cost competitive with Wintel boxen, a fully loaded V880 can be had for $120k. A fully loaded X440 from IBM with half the RAM comes in around that price too. There will always be a need for very large SMP systems to run Oracle, Peoplesoft, Seibel, etc. Given the alternatives (IBM, HP, SGI) I think Sun will be around for a few more years. They just need to trim the fat (read Java) and go back to the basics.
They may be slower, but does your PeeCee chip have 8MB of L2 cache? Does your PeeCee scale up to 72 processors, 576GB of RAM and 72 PCI cards? Can your PeeCee hot-swap CPU/Memory and I/O with no down time? Does your PeeCee have a switched interconnect capaable of sustaining 43.2 GB/s?
Get back to me when Linux can do any one of those.
No he said this:
Workstations based on the Itanium or SPARC capable of addressing more than 2-4Gbytes of RAM are very expensive (above $10k). IBM's Power4-based systems are even more expensive.
The Blade 100 has 2GB of physical RAM, but that's not the point, address space is.
Funny, I have a 64 bit Sun workstation sitting on my desk that costs $995. Get with it man!
I've had my 2000FP for roughly a year now and I'm using a Geforce3 Ti500 with DVI @ 1600x1200. Works great.
At the time, the only Nvidia cards that supported DVI @ 1600x1200 were the Ti500 variants. I wasn't too fond of shelling out $350 for a fscking video card after dropping $1400 on the LCD.
Dude, Firewire in its current incarnation is 400 megabits/sec, or roughly 50 megabytes/sec. I believe 1.2Gbps is coming.
Actually, NEC makes a server that has redundant everything named the NEC EXPress 5800/ft.
Here's a link to the datasheet.
I think the starting price is around $20k.
Feenicks is also Star Wars planet.
Use the source Luke.
Stop yer whining and fix the fscking problem, unless you have a better solution.
You might want to check out scponly.
Be aware of the colour scheme on that site though, it's hard on the eyes.
Uhh, no.
My argument was that the only half decent book for AIX was written in 1996. Solaris, OTOH, continues to have well written books published continuously. If AIX is better, and IBM ships more UNIX hardware than Sun, one would think that the userbase would be larger and therefore there would be a huge market for AIX documentation. Supply and Demand, right?
A nice book, but a wee out of date. It was published back in 1996 for christ's sake, when people still used 3.25 and 4.1 was newfangled.
Since AIX is so fscking great, where are the books?
ODM - Brings the dreaded M$ Registry concept to UNIX; Are you familiar with odmget and odmput?
qconfig - Yet Another print queuing system for UNIX
errrpt - Who needs syslog? Let's just make our own proprietary message logging system!
Need to call support? Once you wade past the Level 1 morons reading from a screen, you better be prepared to take down your system and upgrade the microcode for every conceivable subcomponent, kiss those SLAs goodbye.
Instead of using PAM, IBM came up with their own proprietary authenticaion API
Startup scripts, who needs them? Instead of rc.local or /etc/rc?.d just put everyting in /etc/inittab. Better not edit the inittab directly, you have to use mkitab and rmitab.
Man pages, you don't need those! Just to make things extra fun, we'll hide them on the Extras CD and instead of using troff/nroff, we'll put them in HTML format.
let's-make-a-command-for-every-trivial-task; Put minimal info in the man page, and don't make the switches conform to normal UNIX semantics (e.g. -v == verbose)
Instead of /opt for 3rd party packages, let's use /usr/lpp!
Instead of dumping the information to the console on bootup, scare the hell out of the admin by making it appear the machine has hung. To humour him, print out esoteric hex codes on the LED panel. Wait at least 20 minutes before dumping *any* information out to the console!
I could go on, but it brings back too many bad memories. I thank ${DEITY} for Solaris every day!
As a business major, I encountered quite a few frat boys around West Campus, so I did what any red-ass non-reg would do, wore my "No Frats" shirt to class. My favorites were "Rent a Friend, Join a Frat" and "Join a Frat, Lose a Nut". I'm a pretty big guy, so I didn't catch all that much shit.
Those were the good old days.... [sigh]
How about we put a nuclear submarine on a couple flatbed railcars, that way we get the best of both worlds.
Many people have accused Golden Hawk Technology of implementing that "feature" in CDRWIN, a popular cd-r tool for Windows.
My company recently had a need for 3 fully loaded Sun E6500s, but only for 6 months. 6 months is a bit long to loan them from Sun, but short enough that it doesn't make sense to lease or buy them. So we had to rent them from some VAR in California.
This VAR decided to use a trucking company to deliver the servers from California to Texas, about a 3 day trip. We got a call from the driver when he arrived in town, and agreed to meet him at the datacentre. When he opened the rear doors, we were in shock. Each server was merely wrapped in plastic wrap, no pallet, no protective wrapping, nothing. The driver dragged all three 6500's through the loading dock area, and almost tilted one over while bringing them up the ramp to the raised floor area.
For the most part they work, but I'm a little leery of putting them into production. They all have dents and scratches, and we've had to reset all the SBUS cards. One of them had a bad bank of memory and sometimes the ge driver won't detect all the Gig boards.
I have one and it's great. It has more features than the NEC one mentioned here, namely 4 inputs (HD15, DVI, Composite, S-Video). I don't have a problem running 1600x1200 with large fonts enabled (on Win2k). FPS games look good on it due to the 25ms total average response time. The main reason I got it was due to the stray EMI a nearby power distribution closet was spewing out causing conventional monitors to have an annoying "jiggle".
Don't give IBM too much credit.
The SGI Origin 3000 is based on modular "bricks" (CPU, I/O, Power, Graphics, Storage). This is also a product that is GA, not vaporware.
If the Matrox cards are so superior, why don't they support 1600x1200 through DVI? ATI and Nvidia can.
(VMS)++ == WNT
The stock symbol for Sun Microsystems is "SUNW" which some think to mean "Software Under No Warranty".
For those IBM'ers out there, RETAIN should invoke some horrible memories.