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Sun Considers Opteron
Sanjay writes "Official from Sun spokesman. Sun is considering using AMD's Opteron chip in a server it expects to deliver to the market shortly.
Intead of fighting Win of Wintel (like Redhat is doing), Sun can choose to fight both with Linux AMD's servers and also fight with HP/IBM as Itanium is anyway a non starter.
Sun can rise again!
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Continue on
"Sun can rise again!" And I just installed phoenix... That's weird.
Fire in the sky
and Slashdot has covered CNET's story
Will I retire or break 10K?
Here
:)
Whatever happened to those of us with acess to TMF being able to submit notice for pending dupes? I tried, but there's no easy way to figure out how to send a note to the editors. I still like the idea (naturally, since I brought it up) of a little form on TMF stories with the ability to submit dupe notification right then and there.
Of course, if I'm wrong, then, fine.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/09/015625 9&mode=thread&tid=102&tid=142 ... its a repost, im convinced this will be a good idea for sun, its a good combination and would do wonders for both companies, its a hole in the market that could be filled easily, high end reliability with low costs, ahh well ... watch for the same comments as yesterday
Now that M$ has pledged to support the use opterons everyone else is following suit. At least M$ has that much sense to use its monopoly in a good way.
Checking out my form of escapism.
This sounds like very good news for AMD, and sounds like they'll have a lot more acceptance for x86-64 than most people originally thought. Either way I'm happy to see this because the more competition the better
You're kidding, right?
April fools is only on the FIRST day of April, guys, not all month.
When I read "Sun can rise again" my wee mind read it as if Apu was saying it ala "Thank you, come again"
Trolling is a art,
Did I get sucked into some hellish wormhole?
Or is this a normal Taco dupe?
In other news, /. editors consider searching for
dupes before posting.
How many dupes will we get on this item? At least you took more'n a day to dupe this one!
"The truth shall make ye fret" -- The Truth, Terry Pratchett
Hrmm.. so many stupid puns.. such as,
.. and various other stupid thoughts come to mind. Feel free to add to this drivel.
America, Land of the rising Sun?
The Sun will come up, tomorrow!
And maybe we should change that slogan, what about:
News for the amnesiac. Stuff that mattered
Wow a new word in the English lexicon.
After hearing that Microsoft is going to use it, and Now, Sun.
So when is Intel going to use Opteron?
SCO to Hell
Well, what will then be the difference between a x86-64 Sun and a big fat PC from Dell or similar manufacturer?
Perhaps the service.
Or laboratory used to buy Sun workstations and servers. We liked their service contracts. But still.. their hardware is SO expensive! We now buy PCs from Dell!
Sun is definitely considering the possibility of maybe adopting and AMD processor in a new blade, but nothing has been decided yet, for sure.
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
Is taco really a human? The /. editor turing test (/.ETT) has been applied and the answer is ....
YES
Since any computer could be programmed to check for dupes. Unless of course TacoAI is sooo devious that it intentionally posts dupes to make is _seem_ like there is a real human being.
When Taco starts singing "Daisy", then we'll know the truth.
...whoa
philcrissman.com.
So fascinating that you get to read it twice. The interesting part is: now it is CmdrTaco duping Timothy. Now if Timothy "redupes" this article, and then they get a vicious cycle going, then we will all be so tuned into the Sun/Opteron story that when Sun/Opteron does happen it will seem like it had always been that way. Psychic Memesis, anyone?
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
It's only the SECOND post and the FIRST post to mention the fact that this article is a dupe, yet some moron mods this as REDUNDANT??? Fucking idiots.
Perhaps, editors should turn local echo off... ;)
--krahd
silly post, i know...
mod me up scottie!
Let me get a press release together, hang on...
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
....whoa
philcrissman.com.
No.
No.No.
No.No.Fucking No.
Sun needs to die die die.
Then Linux will rule the world.
... It's a new story, and one that actually confirms that they ARE using AMD for something. The first one was saying 'don't count on it, but it might happen'.
So it's only a dupe in general topic, but if that's a true dupe, then everything that says 'New hole found in MS software' should also be a dupe.
----- - The beatings will continue until morale improves
SunMicroDevices monopoly, here I come!
... that's strange, I thought they were considering Opteron.
How about a feature of SlashCode that, at preview time, it searches the site for words similar to ones in the story to be submitted, and displays the results. This would allow the submitter to determine if he is submitting a likely dupe.
This can be repeated for the poster...
The problem for Sun is that Linux on Opteron does not give Sun much in the way of profits because the profit margin is low and competition is fierce. Sun cannot compete against IBM and HP in this area. Worse, Sun has no services organization to make any money by helping its customers to use Linux on Opteron.
Anyhow remember that stupid comment by Scott McNealy, who claimed that Sun is a one system -- one OS and one processor -- company. Now, Sun is distributing 2 OSes and 2 processors. Read the article at the Economist web site . It says that Sun will lose out big time in the Linux marketplace.
The Sun is setting. Good Riddance.
Here's another source:5 9&mode=nested&tid=102&tid=142
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/09/01562
Oh, wait...
Everything sucks except musicandstuff
Is Sun going to Opteron a backdoor linux strategy in case hell freezes over and Sun decides to drop their Solaris all-together or straddle Solaris/Linux (again).
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With Linus saying he really likes 64-bit strategy of Opteron vs. Itanic, perhaps they want to keep their options open. See these articles:
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/02/25/
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=796
Sun can rise again!
Oh goodie. A monopolistic company that is almost as bad as Microsoft and would be worse if it could be. Sounds great.
Join Tor today!
If CmdrTaco is posting an article then it is most certainly a dupe. Past history has made is quite clear. CmdrTaco posts should be considered flashbacks for those of us who were asleep ;)
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
I could do your job better than you, taco. And I'll work for half the pay too.
Even though I am a subscriber, and I have my ad block count set to 0 (i.e. block all ads), and even though the /. crew say that should be fine for me to preview stories, I have yet to see one from TMF.
/. code isn't fully tested.
I don't think it is working.
But then, I also have not received moderation points in over a year, even though I M2 every day.
Personally, I think much of the
(Yes, this is OT - hence why I have hit the "No Karma Bonus" flag.)
www.eFax.com are spammers
I swear I read this the other day.
Sanjay writes "Official from Slashdot spokesman. Slashdot is considering using Slashdot's Slashdot chip in a server it expects to deliver to the market shortly. Intead of fighting Slash of Slashdot (like Slashdot is doing), Slashdot can choose to fight both with Slashdot's servers and also fight with /. as Slashdot is anyway a non starter. Slashdot can rise again! "
Well...replacing most all of the proper nouns with Slashdot at least gave me a chuckle. Okay, so I'm retarded.
-AS
I'm glad this news *finally* makes it to slashdot as it certainly has *never* been discussed before. On a related note, has anyone heard about that new 'evil bit' RFC? I'm surprised that has never made it on slashdot.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
The Battle in 64 bit Land, 2003 and Beyond, summarizes the 64-bit competitive landscape quite well. Summary: 64-bit CPUs (SPARC, PA-RISC, MIPS) do not make the "magic quandrant". Short of inventing a time machine, they never will...better to abandon non-competitive CPUs and swallow pride like SGI and HP have done then cling to shitty technology...SUN engineers need a reality check.
From the office of Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (aka Baghdad Bob):
"Sun actually can rise again!???"
Think about it.
Karma: The shiznight, mostly because I am the Drizzle.
I'm more interested on why this article has both the Sun and AMD icons. /. supports articles in more than one category now?
Tuus crepidae innexilis sunt.
Sun needs to start looking at implementing new techniques in regards to it's OS and hardware integration business. Everyone knows that Sun UNIX can perform admirably and is very powerful, but at the same time, IBM is showing that Linux can be substituted for UNIX in the low to mid-level range, and HP has proven that they can sell Linux servers in the absence of huge corporate support.
Many pointy hairs are also awakening to the fact that Linux is evolving way faster then any previous OS in history. This realization is forcing many of them to position themselves in order to benefit from Linux. They are starting by replacing all of their low to medium-level extremely expensive UNIX solutions with Linux implementations, and waiting for Linux to overtake UNIX on the top tier. This saves them tons "in the meantime" and prepares them for the eventual replacement of their high-end solutions. Sun has to know that this scenario is inevitable and play along. Pride will only get you but so far.
McNealy has been fighting Linux for far too long, calling it "just another tool". I got news for you, all OS's are tools. Only this tool here can save your ass a ton while doing everything that every other tool promises to do on the low and medium ends.
Right now, Linux is "it" - and it shows no signs of slowing up. Microsoft makes their money off desktops and their office suite. UNIX makes money off stability and power. Stability and power is what the open source developers aim to improve. UNIX beware - evolve or perish, because you're next..
I really don't know what Slashdot editors do, but if they're not reading the site on a daily basis, couldn't they at least search the damn site before they post to see if someone has beaten them to it?
It's getting pretty rediculous. It wasn't always this bad.
The Battle in 64 bit Land, 2003 and Beyond, summarizes the 64-bit competitive landscape quite well.
Summary:
64-bit CPUs (SPARC, PA-RISC, MIPS) do not make the "magic quandrant". Short of inventing a time machine, they never will...better to abandon non-competitive CPUs and swallow pride like SGI and HP have done then cling to shitty technology...SUN engineers need a reality check.
Sun can rise again!
SUN ONLY SHINES IN YOUR ASS, BOY! Sun is dead. Face it. I've been in this business 20 fucking years son. Solaris is DEAD, Sun is DEAD. Fucking graveyard!
Sun Microsystems Inc. (NasdaqNM:SUNW - News) said it is considering using Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s new Opteron chip in a server it expects to deliver to the market shortly, a spokesman said.
Either this is Sun-speak for "next year sometime", or they've really been engineering an Opteron-based server for some time and are now boxing it up for sale. Saying they're simply considering it doesn't add up in this case (unless they have super-EEs that can whip up a server with a new CPU from scratch in a couple months).
Healthcare article at Kuro5hin
Friend or foe?
Apr 10th 2003
From The Economist print edition
The rise of Linux is dividing the computer industry into winners and losers Reuters
Linus, friend of Larry?
LARRY ELLISON, the boss of Oracle, the world's second-largest software firm, likes to make bold claims. Last week he was at it again, attacking his old foe, Microsoft, the world's biggest software company. Microsoft, he declared, risked being "wiped off the face of the earth" by Linux, the free, open-source operating system developed by Linus Torvalds, a Finnish programmer, and a team of enthusiasts. As always, Mr Ellison's prediction should be taken with a handful of salt. But it contains a germ of truth, because the rise of Linux is changing the dynamics of the computer business. Some of the industry's titans benefit from its advance, while others lose. The appeal of Linux is clear. It is free, unlike such rival operating systems as Microsoft's Windows and Sun's Solaris. And it runs on almost any computer, providing compatibility, flexibility and further cost savings. Linux is used mostly to run servers, the back-office machines that handle e-mail, web pages, file sharing, and printing. Several Linux boxes can also be "clustered" together to create cheaply a machine with the power of a supercomputer. Linux has yet to have much impact in the highest echelons of business computing: telecoms-billing systems, airline-reservation systems, and so on. But it is advancing steadily. Once limited to dotcoms, it is now used by such firms as Merrill Lynch, Verizon and Boeing. "2001 was the year of interest, 2002 the year of pilot projects, and 2003 is the year of deployment," says Avery Lyford of Linuxcare, whose software simplifies the adoption of Linux by big firms. A recent report by Gartner, a consultancy, says that "businesses are coming to regard Linux as a worthy alternative to Unix and Windows."
The main loser (so far) as Linux advances is Sun Microsystems, one of the largest server vendors. Its Solaris software is generally deemed to be the most capable flavour of Unix, the family of powerful operating systems used in servers. But for many applications, Solaris is overkill, and Linux, a less capable flavour of Unix, is good enough. Many people who would once have bought expensive Sun boxes running Solaris are now running Linux on cheap, PC-like machines instead. This has forced Sun to embrace the technology that threatens its existence. Last year, Sun launched its first Linux-based server. After several zigzags, it has now decided on its Linux strategy. As well as offering cheap boxes running Linux alongside its more powerful Solaris-based ones, Sun will include its server software with both Linux and Solaris, to make its Linux boxes more attractive and to allow users to "trade up" to Solaris. Even so, many in the industry believe that, thanks to Linux, Sun is doomed. The clearest winner is IBM, closely followed by Hewlett-Packard (HP) and Dell, each of which has done well selling Linux servers. IBM embraced Linux in 1999, and now offers it across its entire range, from lowly PCs to mighty mainframes. Linux has also boosted IBM's mainframe business, since a single mainframe can be set up to behave like dozens of small Linux servers. Firms with mainframes have thus been able to scrap entire rooms full of Unix servers, such as those made by Sun. Linux also provides something IBM has wanted for years: an operating system that unifies its otherwise baffling product lines. Indeed, notes Art Olbert, an ex-IBM employee now at Linuxcare, Linux strengthens the hand of those firms that champion technological diversity, such as IBM and HP, and undermines firms that push their own
OK, so the story has been run before. We get the message.
Reposted comments become as irritating as reposted stories after the first dozen or so...
L.
Seriously, someone should start letting people mod stories that are posted up and down. Like a meta-meta-moderation.
Mean that Sun will probably phase out Intel chips over the next 1-2 years in its low end Linux systems, and move entirely to AMD for their 32-bit lower end Linux and 64- and 32-bit mid level systems. Given that so many companies (e.g., Sun, IBM, and Dell) want to increase their 64-bit x86 offerings, Microsoft had better work double time to release 64-bit Windows.
Five varities of Linux, three BSD's, IBM's DB2, CA Ingres and Oracle have confirmed firm support for Opteron. Delaying Windows for this segment will mean that as Opteron becomes popular in the coming months, Linux will become the dominant operating system. This will mean a further boost to Linux.
A few months back, Sandia National labs signed up to put 10,000 Opteron's in a supercomputer named Red storm, which is supposed to become operational in 2004.
Why does everything have to be a fight? Why can't we just think of it as Sun offing something that does this and that they think people want? M$, they fight and intend to exterminate all things non M$ but who else really thinks like that?
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
Sun plans to use them in inexpensive blade servers which means they aren't totally abandoning RISC servers.
You're parked in the dark alone with your girl when she suddenly introduces you to Tammy and Buffy. "Girls Who Name Their Breasts" on the next Geraldo.
my personal reading the the remarks was that Sun is now thinking of using Opterons instead of Xeons for future products. Given the product choice and testing phases Sun normally goes through, I wouldn't expect something for some time. Like a year at least. Especially since Sun are generally expected to announce 1U and 2U Xeon based systems in 3 months time...
btw, how come a Sun "rumour" story gets posted twice, but a product launch doesn't even get a mention? Anyone want a dual-processor 1U UltraSPARC system, with 4 1Gbit ethernet ports, advanced remote monitoring, dual SCSI and other goodies starting at $3000?
Here's a list of all the new products Sun released on Tuesday
Isn't that just some crappy 2/2 flying artifact monster? Doesn't seem very worthwhile... :)
You apparently intend your post as a warning to Sun that it should give up on its existing technologies (sparc,solaris) and join what you perceive as the "linux pack" of IBM, HP, etc. But if you look at your own arguments and reconsider them, the case is far from clear that what you suggest is in fact wise.
Consider IBM. Sure, IBM is selling hardware with Linux loaded on it. But they haven't given up on their Power chips as you seem to imply that Sun should its Sparc series. Why aren't you wagging your tongue at IBM for that? And AIX? What of that? IBM certainly hasn't abandonded it, and I wouldn't expect it to any time soon. So all that IBM is really offering is yet another operating system choice, in this case Linux, and it meets your approval. It doesn't necessarily do anything unique there.
And what of HP? You say that HP has proven that they can sell Linux servers in the absence of huge corporate support. What on earth are you talking about? HP is one of the largest computer companies on the planet. If they can't make a go of selling Linux boxes, who can? I will also point out that HP hasn't dumped RISC for X86, but instead went to expensive Itanium, and has a long roadmap for HP/UX. Sure they will sell you a Linux box, but they would prefer to sell you something else.
You assert that Linux is evolving way faster then any previous OS in history. The only reason that is possible is because it has had so far to go to catch up. To catch up it has generally traveled trails blazed by others, and relied upon the kindness of volunteers and donations from kinfolk (JFS,XFS,etc.). Sure Linux is causing the traditional Unix vendors to react and jump a bit.... just like BSD did to AT&T Unix, GNU did to Unix, the various Unix groups and companies did to each other over time. But big unix companies are still here and adapting.
Cost? I've got Sun equipment that cheaper than my Dells, and suits my particular needs better. Cost/performance? Depending upon the day and the metric you've got a better argument. But it doesn't matter how cheap it is, or what the price/performance is if it doesn't cut the mustard. PC and linux aren't even close to being a universal solution. Check back in 3 years after Opteron is well entrenched, Linux gets some more time in the rock polisher, and companies have figured out which direction Linux on X86 is heading: Intel vs AMD. Till then, confusion reigns.
I also wouldn't count on Linux staying cheap. All of the major Linux commercial vendors are putting plans into place or releasing enterprise or professional releases that are both much more expensive, and have a much lower change rate. What else do you expect? Linux companies have been going broke left and right for years, and only a few now are starting to make a profit. There have to be profitable Linux vendors if linux is going to be a commercial success, and that means money, lots more money. And that money will come from their customers for license and support costs. I pay less for Sun support than what is in my budget for Red Hat support. It will be interesting to watch what happens to the Linux marketplace once that becomes more common.
The change rate for commercial linux is starting to drop for the professional releases. This has to happen since if you need something reliable that you are going to bet your business on, you can't afford the overhead of the constant release churning that has marked the Linux world to date. Testing, certification, and quality assurance take time. I wonder how that will effect Linux in the marketplace?
Its kind of ironic, but many of the things that you list as big advantages for Linux are really disadvantages to those with deep pockets. Rapid change is bad. Cheap is irrelevant. Almost as stable isn't stable. Those cost of the application, its implementation and maintenance is king. But the Linux commercial marketplace is heading toward those opportunities. I wonder what the outcome will be?
Linux is "
So I'm a pervert. Welcome to the Internet.
for the Itanium 2(tm). Just looking at these figures makes my heart flutter.
Why can't Intel make the Itanium 2(tm) available to the rest of us?
I'm sick and tired of hearing what Sun is thinking about. They should keep their business plans secret until they know what they are doing. I've read too many stories about how sun isn't going to release Solaris for x86, how they are going to release it, how their going to make their own Linux distro., how their not going to make one. As the saying goes no advertising is bad advertising, and my guess is that Sun is just trying to get their name out there by staying in the news by leaking any ideas that they may have.
While Suns do have their benefits, the company has been hurting because of several factors:
1. The cost boatloads of money.
2. Commodity hardware is catching up fast (and exceeding) with their lower-level servers
3. Software wedded to hardware.
The Opteron will give them extraoridinary value - a good, fast processer with buttloads of memory bandwidth at a far lower cost than the Sun processers. And it will let them offer competitively-priced low-to-midrange servers.
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
Sun has been hurting for a while - PC-based servers have been increasingly eating up Sun's market.
The Opterons are aimed squarely at a market segment that was hitherto tied to Sun and one or two other companies. If you wanted a highly-scalable 4- or 8-way 64-bit machine, you bent over, and Sun/IBM/DEC found your bank roll along the way.
Now, machines of those natures are coming from a commodity vendor. With a 128-bit DDR333 memory interface, each processer will have far more memory bandwidth than even the new Sun iiia's that were introduced today. And HyperThreading gives some pretty respectable inter-processor bandwidth. You think that Sun shouldn't be shaking in their boots? You bet they should.
In the end, they know that they're not going to win the lower end of the market. They simply can't compete with the economies of scale that AMD and Intel enjoy. Embracing the future is their only way to ensure that they keep at least a portion of that market.
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
and maybe this new SlashCode dupe finder can use gzip to find these similarities?
cpeterso
Sun is now offering UltraSparc IIIi processors:
http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-IIIi/
They do have some similarities to AMD's opteron processor:
- 1 MB on-chip L2 cache
- integrated memory controller
- 128bit DDR Ram
- large L1 cache
It should be interesting to compare those two processors.
the original
Given how much time Sun has lost on the Linux revolution compared to rivals IBM, HP and even Dell, they need to make a concerted push in less than two directions.
I think the Solaris/x86 effort dilutes the strength of Sun's commitment to Linux. They can say that there's cross fertilization, but they're sending a mixed message to their customers. Those customers, like me, have appreciated Sun's UNIX experience, their leading the way with things like NFS, RPC, NIS and Java, and their emphasis on hardware reliability and performance.
Those customers are looking at the economics of Linux/x86 and like what they see. That's bad for Solaris/SPARC, except where the big iron hangs out. And the cut-off transition from where x86 won't suffice to mainframes that will do the job keeps moving up the food chain. Sun's food chain. The lucrative high end is becoming an ever shrinking market.
What does Linux need that Sun can do better than others?
Where Sun can make a big difference is in enterprise level management. Big directory/authentication services; interoperable services for managing heterogeneous LANS. Performance tuned next generation NAS/SAN services.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
Hell, I only spend a few minutes a day reading slashdot, and I have no trouble instantly spotting the dupes, so it wouldn't be too onerous a burden on your editors, would it?
congratulations to today's winner, Sanjay, for managing to submit a dupe. this has been the first one since taco's dupe-intervention, though it appears he has fallen off the wagon. well, no hard feelings taco, it's not like i'm paying for this site (those of you that are, however, might have a reason to be pissed).
can you submit a dupe?
sure, we all can. it's easier than you think! simply reword a story, and submit it some hours after the current one has run (so a different editor reads it). bonus points if it's the same editor, or both stories are on the front page at the same time.
Check out the SAP benchmark site: http://www.sap.com/benchmark/index.asp 1. Sun is the fastest computer available: Sun Fire 15000, 104-way SMP, UltraSPARC III, 1200 MHz, 8 MB L2 cache, score is 8000 2. If you divide the score by the amount of processors: 8000/104 = 76.9 compare with : IBM eServer xSeries 440 Model 8687-38X, 16-way SMP, Intel Xeon MP 2.0 GHz, 256 kB L2 cache, score 1090 score per cpu: 1090/16 = 68.1 So, even per-cpu basis, trivial UltraSparc III is faster that P4 Xeon 2.0 Ghz. Want to compare with Itanium? NEC Express5800, 1000series Highend Server, 32-way SMP, Itanium2, 1.0 GHz, 3MB L3 cache, score 2750. Per cpu: 2750/32 = 85 Ups! Super-duper Itanium with 3 (!!) Mb of cache is just a little bit faster.
Andrew
How about a feature of ShlashCode so that if you set the comment mode to No Comments it does something other than just give you ads - like, I dunno - show the story without the comments mayhaps???
1. Sun is the fastest computer available:
Sun Fire 15000, 104-way SMP, UltraSPARC III, 1200 MHz, 8 MB L2 cache, score is 8000
2. If you divide the score by the amount of processors: 8000/104 = 76.9
compare with
IBM eServer xSeries 440 Model 8687-38X, 16-way SMP, Intel Xeon MP 2.0 GHz, 256 kB L2 cache, score 1090
score per cpu: 1090/16 = 68.1
So, even per-cpu basis, trivial UltraSparc III is faster that P4 Xeon 2.0 Ghz.
Want to compare with Itanium?
NEC Express5800, 1000series Highend Server, 32-way SMP, Itanium2, 1.0 GHz, 3MB L3 cache, score 2750.
Per cpu: 2750/32 = 85
Ups! Super-duper Itanium with 3 (!!) Mb of cache is just a little bit faster.
So, you need to consult real benchmarks, SPECint is just interesting exersise, which should not be taking into account for anything above 2-way servers.
Andrew
Naw. I'd vote for "News for Sammy Jenkins. Stuff that shouldn't be tatooed."
--Jimmy has fancy plans; and pants to match.
For those of you bitching that sun4u sucks and yada yada, I'm willing to bet you have never seen anything bigger than an Ultra 10.
Sun Fires are massive boxes. Will all the options that PC's could only dream about: System partitioning, Hot swap _everything_, killer backplane speeds (quad-port fast ethernet cards anyone?)..
True the lone UltraSPARC processor is fairly unimpressive, but in an E12K you can have up to 256 of them if I recall. That's on one single, operating system. So take your silly 48-node Athlon clusters and go home.
Just trying to come to the defense of an arch that really isn't bad when you're not trying to run Lunix on it and play games with WineX.
I just wasted your mod points! HA!
Dude, thanks for reposting my original post. It is appropriate given the reposting of the parent.
Heh. Hope you get lots of karma.
LoL, my days been made.
.. people say that /. contains too many dups. He should not make fun of it on 4/1 if it's true.
Who cares Solaris on x86 bites. Sun will do what Sun will do they'll be more and more a nitche player as Linux on Operton and other platforms surpass Sun and larger companies such as IBM and HP provide more services. All things come to an end.. Even good things. It'll be interesting to read about Sun and their downfall in 5 years when this all pans out.
Morpheus: Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain. But you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is but it's there, like a splinter in your mind driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Taco: The Duplicates?
Morpheus: Do you want to know what THEY are? The Duplicates are everywhere. They are all around us, even now in this very forum. You can see them when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can read them when you go to work, when you go to user's groups, in the background when you do your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
Taco: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave to techno news & discussion, Taco. Like everyone else you were born into bondage, born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind.... Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Duplicates are. You have to see them for yourself. This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how many rabbits are in the hole.... Remember, all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.... Follow me.... Cowboy Neal, are we online?
Cowboy Neal: Almost.
Morpheus: Time is always against us. Please, take a seat there.
Taco: You did all this?
Trinity: A-huh.
Morpheus: The pill you took is part of a trace program. It's designed to disrupt your input/output carrier signal so we can count the inputs.
Taco: What does that mean?
Cypher: It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas is going bye-bye.
Taco: Did you...
Morpheus: Have you ever read a story, Taco, that you were so sure was original. What if you were unable to tell the difference. How would you know the difference between the original story and the duplicate?
Taco: This can't be...
Morpheus: Be what? A duplicate?
Trinity: It's going into replication.
Morpheus: Cowboy Neal?
Cowboy Neal: Still nothing.
Taco: It's old. It's old.
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Trinity: We've got fibrillation.
Morpheus: Cowboy Neal, location.
Cowboy Neal: Targeting almost there.
Trinity: It's going into arrest.
Cowboy Neal: Lock, I've got him.
Morpheus: Now, Tank. Now.
Going with the /. model, meta-meta-moderation would be the moderation of a meta-moderation.
This would have to be called a super-moderation or oderation or somesuch.
However, still a very valid idea.
BTW, Sun will not be coming out within the next few (3-6) months. They will be coming out with a dual 2.8 and 3.06 GHz system in the next few (4-6) weeks.
The earliest you'll see an opteron system from Sun will be 6-9 months. Probably more like 10-15 months. And yes, I do know for sure, and yes, that's why I'm anonymous.
It is more productive to voice thoughtful opinions (reply) than to judge (moderate) others.
I guess it helps to click the "anonymous" option. Bah. Oh well, I didn't give anything that hadn't already leaked to the press.
It is more productive to voice thoughtful opinions (reply) than to judge (moderate) others.
Actually, Sun's SPARC processors have performed horribly on the TPC-C benchmark by the Transaction Processing Council (TPC) . In fact, the performance of TPC-C on Sun's computer systems is so bad that Sun actually withdrew participation from the TPC-C benchmark. Today, that benchmark is dominated by outstanding computer systems built by the likes of IBM, HP, and (incredibly) Fujitsu.
I never thought that I'd see the say where Netscape is free software and
X11 is proprietary. We live in interesting times.
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